The ever-subtle geniuses at the NRA strike again
The National Rifle Association is not exactly renowned for its subtlety and sense of decorum. It does not persuade; it bullies. It does not discuss; it shouts. And decades of exposure to its own shouting have left it tone-deaf.
The NRA’s newest ad continues in the long tradition.
As the NRA apparently sees it, it is hypocritical and elitist for the president to protect his two daughters against kidnap efforts or physical attack by enemies foreign or domestic unless every other child in America also gets his or her own personal Secret Service detail.
– Jay Bookman
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old man
January 16th, 2013
2:33 pm
Jay, I see the pop up headline about the woman robbed AT GUNPOINT at the Kroger in Vinings. Wow, her chances of surviving that would have been much higher if she had been armed and pulled her handgun out of her purse and gotten in a gun fight with that thug.
See? Another argument for gun rights! Go NRA!
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
2:33 pm
romneyinlandslide.com
Too funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-bYe2jDv8
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:33 pm
Do you know the wealth of the Roman Empire? Relative to its time, I might argue the Roman Empire was more powerful too.
Could the Roman Empire destroy any rival nation with the push of a button? No? Then, less powerful. Bunch poncey toga-wearin’ poofters. I f@rt in their general direction.
Richest? Debatable. You have money illusion. When we are no longer the reserve currency of the world, that will quickly change.
and THEN we’ll be sorry we spent that money on stuff we needed and built a great infrastructure and educated our citizens and provided them with great opportunities…
As for that “illusion”–money is worth what we, as society, collectively deem it to be. So’s wealth, I guess.
old man
January 16th, 2013
2:34 pm
Oh. She wasn’t harmed. Just forget my last post.
Sorry.
GO NRA! GO NRA!
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:34 pm
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
“Tell me why everyone gets so upset about 20 white children getting gunned down in CT and ignores several hundred blacks in Chicago who meet the same fate.”
Maybe because those several hundred blacks aren’t 1st graders sitting in a classroom. Any other questions?
No, you did not use the words, but, the way I read it, it strongly implied it. If I read something into your statement that was not there, I apologize. Regardless of the number 20, 50 , 200 or 1. No life is more precious than another. Fixed that?
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:34 pm
Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study and will also adhere to new restrictions on magazine capacity. Or they could just make strong-arm robbery a crime.
Could you please post a link to these new restrictions on magazine capacity here in Georgia? I searched the front page of the AJC here and don’t see it. Or are you lying about it?
Atlanta Native
January 16th, 2013
2:34 pm
Jay…thanks for the outline.
Obama is not exactly renowned for his subtlety and sense of decorum. He does not persuade; he bullies. He does not discuss; he shouts. And 4 years of exposure to his own shouting has left us tone-deaf.
Obama’s newest Socialist strategy continues in his long tradition.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
2:35 pm
There cannot be any reforms of any real significance now in the current political system which is dominated by a far-right party (GOP) and a center-right party (Democrats).
Without a genuine left, there is not only no threat of revolution, there is no possibility of any meaningful reform of the system either. It’s just how it goes.
Jm
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
Getalife 1:30
How would you explain the handing over to AQ the nation of Mali for the last 9 months?
How else would you view handing Afghanistan back over to Al Qaeda if Obama chooses the zero (or near zero) option?
How would you view draconian military cuts?
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
I see the pop up headline about the woman robbed AT GUNPOINT at the Kroger in Vinings
Did the AJC finally shut down the
geriatric, humor-impaired hellholeVent send all those folks over here?Seriously Folks
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
Okay..this has been a LONG thread…so I would like to interject what I think is the BEST solution….from Chris Rock (sorry there IS vulgarity) but a REALLY salient point he makes!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAoMNEQo4sQ
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
I hear George Zimmerman would love to volunteer to carry a gun and patrol at schools. But what about the constitutional right to wear a hoodie?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
Sports programs in our public schools (especially the High School level) benefit only a few. Football costs alone are way off the charts ………… there’s a lot of money there that can be redirected !
old man
January 16th, 2013
2:37 pm
Don’t try to break into my house. I’m an NRA member, Jack.
I keep the Glock right next to my alarm clock, all night, cocked and loaded, with the safety OFF. And don’t forget it. I’ll squeeze my trigger finger without a moment’s hesitation.
Or is that my snooze button finger? OK, index finger trigger, middle finger snooze. Need to keep those straight.
Locking up you gun in a case at night is for sissies.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:38 pm
Recon — “There are about one thousand plus school systems nationally that have armed law enforcement or armed resource officers in place that have been in place even prior to the Sandy Hook incident. The state of PA. is using former retired state highway patrol officers. Evidently individual school systems are finding the money.”
Sure. But now we’re talking *Federal,* right? You said it yourself. So now we have to find *Federal* funding for it, and we know the GOP’s position on deficit spending and on new government programs. We can’t engage in deficit spending for this, and we have to find the money for it in the budget BEFORE we fire the Federal program up.
“The suggestion that qualified volunteers might be supplemental resources as well is also true.”
I don’t have a problem with that, provided they’re trained to the national and state standards. That said, I don’t think you should count on unpaid volunteers to make up more than a minimal slice of the resource officer population.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:38 pm
@ welcome to the occupation
An oft repeated notion, but simply incorrect. If anything, our entire political system has shifted left over the last 40 years. Can you imagine a “right sider” in the 60’s publicly endorsing gay marriage, as so many have done (despite the naivete of a certain group of moronic holdouts, read: Christian Right)?
On almost all social issues, both parties are drastically to the left of where they were in the past. There is no REAL left or right in office, anymore.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:38 pm
old man
January 16th, 2013
2:33 pm
Jay, I see the pop up headline about the woman robbed AT GUNPOINT at the Kroger in Vinings. Wow, her chances of surviving that would have been much higher if she had been armed and pulled her handgun out of her purse and gotten in a gun fight with that thug.
See? Another argument for gun rights! Go NRA!
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Really? I guarantee you that if I’m holding a gun on you and you even LOOKED like you were about to try to reach for a concealed gun I’d blow your freaking head off. The only time a gun is good for protection if it’s in your hand and pointed the right direction when you are confronted. Otherwise it is either a gun about to be stolen or you are about to be dead.
Yeah I know, Audie Murphy, you’ll quick-draw and drop him……… yawn.
curious
January 16th, 2013
2:39 pm
Where were the armed guards during the VA Tech shootings?
These crazy people intent on mass murder/mayhem will just go to another soft target.
Any value in being proactive rather than reactive?
Jm
January 16th, 2013
2:39 pm
Jay
Zee website iz not working very well
StuDawg
January 16th, 2013
2:40 pm
I love the NRA. I just renewed my membership. Bought another pistol and bought some more ammo too. Obama is a hypocrite and a tyrant who thinks he’s a king. GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, ABORTIONS DO
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:40 pm
I’ll ask again. You’ve proven that guns are the problem, so please enlighten us all with your solution?
I think you are a con and cons don’t do math or science.
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:40 pm
jbill – “The truth hurts sometimes”…..”The Latest polls show 73% didn’t want any new gun controls 23 % said yes and 4% no opinion.”
Did you say “truth”…how ironic. Let’s look at some of those polls….shall we?
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By a 51%-45% margin, Americans questioned in a new Pew Research Center poll say it’s more important to control gun ownership than to protect gun rights. And by a 52%-35% margin, a new ABC News/Washington Post survey indicates the public says it is more likely to support some forms of gun control after last month’s massacre.
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Half of Americans support new gun control measures in the wake of last month’s mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school, including a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, two new polls show. Though some Republicans, including Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., have said reinstating a nationwide ban on assault weapons would not pass muster in Congress, 58 percent of respondents said they would support doing so, and 65 percent said they would back a law banning high-capacity ammunition clips containing more than 10 bullets.
The most overwhelming number, though, was the 88 percent who said they favor closing the loophole that allows people to purchase guns at gun shows without first passing background checks. A comparable 85 percent answered the same way in another poll, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.
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Nearly six in 10 Americans want stricter gun laws in the aftermath of last month’s deadly school shooting in Connecticut, with majorities favoring a nationwide ban on military-style, rapid-fire weapons and limits on gun violence depicted in video games, movies and TV shows, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.
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Shall I go on? Or is that enough for you?
curious
January 16th, 2013
2:41 pm
We could stay in Afghanistan a 100 years and not wipe out the taliban.
RGB
January 16th, 2013
2:42 pm
“Care to tell us why that’d be a bad thing?”
I won’t waste my time explaining the obvious.
But the President and Vice-President should exercise leadership by requiring all their security details be unarmed. They need to walk the walk rather than simply pay lip service during their imperial presidency.
Jasmine
January 16th, 2013
2:42 pm
@MeetInTheMiddle both parties have moved left when it comes to social issues like civil rights (and thank god for that), and both parties have moved right when it comes to OTHER social/international issues like wages, unions, benefits, education spending, infrastructure spending, tariffs, international trade agreements, etc.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:42 pm
Old Man — “Jay, I see the pop up headline about the woman robbed AT GUNPOINT at the Kroger in Vinings.”
We all know this is unpossible. After all, the Cobb County Commission voted to not to let MARTA in back in the 1960s. They did that in order to prevent Those People from entering Cobblandia and causing all sorts of low-income deviltry.
Clearly, the alleged offense could not have possibly happened since the Commission took swift, decisive action to prevent Those People from ever finding their way into Cobb. Obviously the perp was wearing a disguise.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:31 pm
DIA — “Pew says 62% of Democrats favor armed-guards. And, as far as the dependent exemption, you including those that qualify for earned income credit? The poorest of the poor? It’ll never happen.”
Oh, you thought I was *serious?*
I’m simply drawing a parallel with our conservative friends’ argument with respect to universal health care coverage.
Gotcha Joe. Not to change subjects, but, I just left a basic seminar on the ACA. Holy crap! What a nightmare. Do you know who will pay more? The younger generation. Before ACA, insurance companies could not charge more than 9 times the lowest premium, based on age. That ratio has been lowered to 3:1. Do you think the insurance companies are going to lower the highest or increase the lowest premiums? Also, there is a 40% tax credit for companies furnishing insurance companies that employ less than 25 employees. We provide health insurance (no cost to the employee) and employ, you guessed it, 24 employees. Do you think we are going to forfeit what would be a $60,000 tax credit in order to hire one more person? We have openings, but, we’ll go with part-timers. Makes economic sense, right?
booger
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
All of Bookman’s righteous indignation aside, one has to admit that the NRA had at least one suggestion to offer which would have likely saved more lives than all of Obama’s $500,000,000 worth of rules. This was a suggestion which many left wing commentators seemed fine with until the NRA endorsed it. It was simply to put an armed law officer at every school.
I live in a small town and county well north of Atlanta, and found out through our local weekly paper that there has always been an officer from our sheriff’s dept. at each school in the county, full time. Taxes here are about twenty five percent of Atlanta taxes, which I know because I have a condo in town as well. You cannot tell me that every school in Ga., with their thousands of administrators, could not replace at least one adminisrtator with a full time officer. I assume the reluctance is that they think if they say they can’t afford it, the fed’s will belly up and pay the tab with a new agency and huge new federal spending programs.
Somehow my poor little county figured out how to do this without any state or federal assistance, and I’ll bet each county could do the same.
booger
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
All of Bookman’s righteous indignation aside, one has to admit that the NRA had at least one suggestion to offer which would have likely saved more lives than all of Obama’s $500,000,000 worth of rules. This was a suggestion which many left wing commentators seemed fine with until the NRA endorsed it. It was simply to put an armed law officer at every school.
I live in a small town and county well north of Atlanta, and found out through our local weekly paper that there has always been an officer from our sheriff’s dept. at each school in the county, full time. Taxes here are about twenty five percent of Atlanta taxes, which I know because I have a condo in town as well. You cannot tell me that every school in Ga., with their thousands of administrators, could not replace at least one adminisrtator with a full time officer. I assume the reluctance is that they think if they say they can’t afford it, the fed’s will belly up and pay the tab with a new agency and huge new federal spending programs.
Somehow my poor little county figured out how to do this without any state or federal assistance, and I’ll bet each county could do the same.
old man
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
I know that if I try to hit the snooze button, and I hit my Glock instead, it might go off. So I keep the alarm right by my head, and the Glock a little over from that, just in case.
Christian Conservative
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Just Saying..
You know, I’ve not actually seen a Messianic complex recently…
I certainly don’t when I look at the dem party…. Perhaps you should pray sometime…
tm
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Which one of these executive order prevent the Federal Government from selling weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels??
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
@TaxPayer
Your intellect is dazzling.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
jm,
We led for over a decade.
aq is a small gang that cut and ran to Africa.
You cons were scared to death of a small gang and allowed w to steal American freedom.
France can deal with this small gang and our President wants to nation build America for a change.
barking frog
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
I do not consider police in schools to be part of the gun debate
even though the NRA supports it.
TBS
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
“there’s a lot of money there that can be redirected !”
Could be, however in many of the “top” football programs, much of their money comes from booster clubs who raise money directly for the football program. You may or may not get that same sort of participation and donations if it isn’t for football.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:31 pm
DIA — “Pew says 62% of Democrats favor armed-guards. And, as far as the dependent exemption, you including those that qualify for earned income credit? The poorest of the poor? It’ll never happen.”
Oh, you thought I was *serious?*
I’m simply drawing a parallel with our conservative friends’ argument with respect to universal health care coverage.
Gotcha Joe. Not to change subjects, but, I just left a basic seminar on the ACA. Holy crap! What a nightmare. Do you know who will pay more? The younger generation. Before ACA, insurance companies could not charge more than 9 times the lowest premium, based on age. That ratio has been lowered to 3:1. Do you think the insurance companies are going to lower the highest or increase the lowest premiums? Also, there is a 40% tax credit for companies furnishing insurance companies that employ less than 25 employees. We provide health insurance (no cost to the employee) and employ, you guessed it, 24 employees. Do you think we are going to forfeit what would be a $60,000 tax credit in order to hire one more person? We have openings, but, we’ll go with part-timers. Makes economic sense, right?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Where were the armed guards during the VA Tech shootings?
A whole police force there at the university as well as local police. And Blacksburg is VT.
booger
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
All of Bookman’s righteous indignation aside, one has to admit that the NRA had at least one suggestion to offer which would have likely saved more lives than all of Obama’s $500,000,000 worth of rules. This was a suggestion which many left wing commentators seemed fine with until the NRA endorsed it. It was simply to put an armed law officer at every school.
I live in a small town and county well north of Atlanta, and found out through our local weekly paper that there has always been an officer from our sheriff’s dept. at each school in the county, full time. Taxes here are about twenty five percent of Atlanta taxes, which I know because I have a condo in town as well. You cannot tell me that every school in Ga., with their thousands of administrators, could not replace at least one adminisrtator with a full time officer. I assume the reluctance is that they think if they say they can’t afford it, the fed’s will belly up and pay the tab with a new agency and huge new federal spending programs.
Somehow my poor little county figured out how to do this without any state or federal assistance, and I’ll bet each county could do the same.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Here’s the bottom line:
Right after Newtown, the NRA recommended resource officers in schools and the libs. and press were beside themselves with indignation.
Now Obama recommends the same thing and well ……….. the HYPOCRISY is astounding !!
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
…our entire political system has shifted left over the last 40 years.
Absolutely, flat-out dead red wrong.
Bit I’m sure you’ve got tons of compelling evidence to show otherwise…
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
“Zee website iz not working very well”
Jm, I thought it was just my computer. The website takes forever to refresh or post.
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:45 pm
DownInAlbany – aploogy whole-heartedly accepted. Just don’t see how anyone can compare the school shooting to inner city violence in the street. 2 totally different situations. Although both are sad.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:46 pm
Cons have to pay for security for President Obama just like they still do for Bush.
too little time
January 16th, 2013
2:46 pm
I see the cons are mad because they got their asses kicked again.
Hmm. As a “con” and a gun owner, what the president presented today is weak… at best. Nothing is going to get through congress (ala AWB), and none of the EO affects most guns or gun owners… at all. Sorry, but if you go to some forums with REAL gun owners, most are celebrating.
The only thing that has change is that the mental health aspect of gun control *might* make a difference. And that’s probably the best way to attack gun violence short of trying to confiscate 300 million guns and 1.5 billion magazines.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:46 pm
The blog needs IT to extend capacity on their server.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
2:46 pm
“Obama’s newest Socialist strategy continues in his long tradition.”
Atlanta Native – do you really think Obama wants the workers to own the factories? If not, please explain what you mean by socialism – ’cause I bet you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:46 pm
DIA — “Gotcha Joe. Not to change subjects, but, I just left a basic seminar on the ACA. Holy crap! What a nightmare. Do you know who will pay more? The younger generation. Before ACA, insurance companies could not charge more than 9 times the lowest premium, based on age. That ratio has been lowered to 3:1. Do you think the insurance companies are going to lower the highest or increase the lowest premiums? Also, there is a 40% tax credit for companies furnishing insurance companies that employ less than 25 employees. We provide health insurance (no cost to the employee) and employ, you guessed it, 24 employees. Do you think we are going to forfeit what would be a $60,000 tax credit in order to hire one more person? We have openings, but, we’ll go with part-timers. Makes economic sense, right?”
FWIW, I will never for the life of me understand why small businesses didn’t just get behind Single-Payer. It would have taken the whole insurance hassle completely out of your hands and you wouldn’t have had to mess with it any more.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:47 pm
RGB
January 16th, 2013
2:42 pm
“Care to tell us why that’d be a bad thing?”
I won’t waste my time explaining the obvious.
But the President and Vice-President should exercise leadership by requiring all their security details be unarmed. They need to walk the walk rather than simply pay lip service during their imperial presidency.
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Wow, there really is no cure for stupid is there. Shame there isn’t an intelligence test for voting, because this guy probably votes………….
Bungalow
January 16th, 2013
2:47 pm
The National Rifle Association is not exactly renowned for its subtlety and sense of decorum. It does not persuade; it bullies. It does not discuss; it shouts. And decades of exposure to its own shouting have left it tone-deaf.
I will correct this now for you.
Barack Obama and the Democratic Party are not exactly renowned for their subtlety and sense of decorum.They do not persuade or debate; they bully. They do not discuss but rather shout and name call. And decades of exposure to their own shouting have left them tone-deaf.
We all have learned after the last 4 years that Obama does not even listen to Republicans and will not engage in honest debate with them. Nor does he look for compromise from them. It is his way or no way at all. Look at how he has governed and acted. He is a petulant child wrapped in narcissism.
Jay, why don’t you call him out on that? Oh he agrees with you so he is good. When he says he will not negotiate on the debt ceiling is that not bullying?
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:48 pm
@ JamVet
Care to elaborate or just gonna say I’m wrong? My “compelling evidence” is history. Look at the beliefs and the debates going on in the 60’s and 70’s. Women working? Blacks and whites drinking from the same fountains? Those were actual issues on BOTH sides.
Now, explain to me how, exactly, we are currently to the right of that????
the cat
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
The schools I am familiar with are many THOUSANDS of square feet. It would take the average rifle toting officer many minutes to RUN AS FAST AS HIS FAT AZZ would allow to get to the other side of the buildings. And most schools have many different buildings and entrances. Having an officer at a school is useless.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
Your intellect is dazzling.
Thank you, thank you very much.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
scout,
If they want them but you ignore the rest of the proposal.
You are satire and a joke.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
Thanks Bungalow for your thoughtful and clever post. Here’s your sign…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZkdHImCuQ
curious
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
Don’t ban any type of firearm regarded as legal right now.
Require any purchaser of all weapons other than shotguns and bolt action rifles to undergo the same process as someone buying a Class 3 (fully automatic under the NFA) weapon.
This would provide for the screening by local law enforcement to ensure stable people buy legal weapons.
As for existing weapons, have a grace period where they can be registered.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:49 pm
I won’t waste my time explaining the obvious.
I’ll interpret that as “I didn’t really give my post much thought, I’ve really no clue as to what kind of epidemiological analysis the CDC could bring to bear, and I’m not going to bother defending the ignorant nonsense I’ve posted.”
But the President and Vice-President should exercise leadership by requiring all their security details be unarmed. They need to walk the walk rather than simply pay lip service during their imperial presidency.
That’s simply moronic.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
2:50 pm
FWIW, I will never for the life of me understand why small businesses didn’t just get behind Single-Payer.
ZOMG! SOSHULIZM!
too little time
January 16th, 2013
2:51 pm
Jay writes : So Mr. Allen, you are of the opinion that the Second Amendment requires that we allow personal, private possession of anti-tank weapons, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, etc.? You know, “individual weapons equal to that of individual federal soldiers in order to defend against tyranny”?
No, Jay. But law abiding citizens should be able to possess the standard issue rifle and sidearm of any of the branches of the military. That is, generally, an M16 and any of a dozen semi auto handguns. We have to settle for the non-automatic alternative for the M16… the AR-15.
Forseti
January 16th, 2013
2:51 pm
Why don’t they ever give a description of the perps when they mention that a robbery, rape, carjacking, etc. has occurred? Do they assume we all know what the perps looks like?
old man
January 16th, 2013
2:51 pm
That lady at the Kroger is a total wimp. Number one, she did not have a gun, so getting robbed was her own fault. Second, if she had a gun, she should have pulled it on this guy and blasted him. The fact that his gun was already out and pointed at her is irrelevant.
We need to take back our streets and neighborhoods. Even if someone already has their gun aimed at you, show some courage, pull out your gun and blast him. What’s your gun for anyway? Why have a gun if you are not going to use it for self-defense.
I know she’s alive and everything now, but you have to be willing to risk you life every once and a while. If you don’t, then I won’t have any anecdotal evidence to support my gun cult membership. Look, if you get the draw on him and blast him, then that proves guns work to stop crime. If you don’t, and then he blasts you, well I can cite that as proof that some other guy in the parking lot walking up on the scene could have saved you if he had been carrying a gun.
So Vinings Kroger lady, you’re a wimp. Pack some heat, and use it next time.
TBS
January 16th, 2013
2:53 pm
Scout
As Bro has indicated numerous times, nothing is stopping any school system from implementing the use of armed guards.
If that is what the people want then they need to be working with their local school systems and governments to get it funded and implemented.
I’m not against it, but do find it ironic that not many people are talking about the funding aspect.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:53 pm
Dragging the President’s children into the argument is cowardly and disgusting and it will backfire.
Buzz Belle
January 16th, 2013
2:53 pm
Kamchak -Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes @ 1:18
“Murder” has a legal definition.
Abortion is a legal procedure so therefore it cannot – by definition – be “murder.”
I can understand and respect your feelings about abortion, but you don’t get to make up definitions of words that already exist.
You have FAR more patience than me. I know you have posted this a gazillion times over the last year alone, it just isn’t sinking in. I’m still trying to figure out how we go from the NRA and gun bans to abortion.
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
2:53 pm
Fred, thanks for the enlightening video!
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:53 pm
tm
January 16th, 2013
2:44 pm
Which one of these executive order prevent the Federal Government from selling weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels??
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I’m sure that as a loyal talk radio listening FOXBOT you THINK somehow what you posted is relevant or germane to the current discussion. That is also why the talk radio/FOXBOT candidate Romney got his stupid ass whipped, because we thinking Americans don’t think what you had to say makes a lick of sense and KNOW it has nothing to do with the discussion.
Thanks for playing, now hush and let the adults talk.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
2:54 pm
getalife @ 2:49:
I didn’t see anything in those 19 proposals that I couldn’t live with. You libs. are such hypocrites !
The proposed legislation I will review and then decide.
My position (unlike you libs.) has never changed. I will support ANY regulation or law that does two things:
1) Actually will make a difference.
2) Is Constitutional
Bungalow @ 2:47
Thank you but the hypocrites will fail to see that.
Bungalow
January 16th, 2013
2:54 pm
Fred thanks but I’ll let you keep it as you need it moron.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:54 pm
K. Chak — “ZOMG! SOSHULIZM!”
Yes, if we’re lucky.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:55 pm
Old Man: Sorry, I missed the humor the first time. Unfortunately your parody is too much like the normal lunacy of the right lol.
StuDawg
January 16th, 2013
2:55 pm
IT DOESNT MATTER IF 100% OF THE COUNTRY WANTS ALL GUNS TO BE CONFISCATED. THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR THEM. THE PRESIDENT SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. THIS COUNTRY IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. THE FOUNDERS DEEMED A TRUE DEMOCRACY TO BE TOO DANGEROUS DUE TO THE RISK OF AN IMMORAL MAJORITY FORMING.THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THIS RIGHT IS TO PROTECT OURSELVES AGAINST TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
2:55 pm
“No, Jay. But law abiding citizens should be able to possess the standard issue rifle and sidearm of any of the branches of the military.”
Upon what logic do you base this assertion? It seems to be based on nothing but wishes.
Bungalow
January 16th, 2013
2:56 pm
Fred – again you can’t answer with any facts but rather fall to the lowest common denominator. Great way to win an argument/debate. You sound like Obama. Don’t propose anything (like a budget) and criticize the other side when they do their job and pass a budget.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
2:56 pm
Meet: “An oft repeated notion, but simply incorrect. If anything, our entire political system has shifted left over the last 40 years. Can you imagine a “right sider” in the 60’s publicly endorsing gay marriage”
Well that’s where we disagree. First of all, the social mores have fluctuated in certain ways since the 1960s. In fact, in many regards society was MORE socially liberal in the 1970s than today, not less (sexual revolution, feminism, etc.). At any rate, it’s true that the upcoming younger generations have shown a remarkable openness to measures like gay marriage, which has raised the question of whether people are moving progressively to the left. But keep in mind that this gay marriage support has been notably framed in ‘conservative’ terms, i.e. precisely as an issue of gay marriage. In other words, as an opportunity for gays to live lives of monogamy, which to many back in the 60s and 70s, 80s radical heyday would have been a curious way to conceive of ‘progress’, as it would have been a kind of betrayal, co-optation by bourgeois social norms. So that has to be kept in mind.
But more generally of course, what this whole discussion is predicated on is the false premise that the left-right spectrum can ultimately be reduced to social issues, which is a falsification, mystification of the issue.
In fact, there is no left at all without a radical program for social equality, emancipation, and justice on primarily economic terms. And we have not had that at all since at least 1989, which is now a pretty long while.
And because of that, there is now no incentive at all for the system to undertake real reform of itself.
StuDawg
January 16th, 2013
2:56 pm
regnad, TO PREOTECT OURSELVES FROM TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT, AS STATED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
2:57 pm
I’m still trying to figure out how we go from the NRA and gun bans to abortion.
The same way Godwin’s Law says that Hitler/Nazi will be brought up in any thread.
It’s an emotional appeal that is based on rationalizing.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
2:57 pm
Honestly, I am sick to death of all the incessant chatter of hatred that is America these days.
When I look back, I see just one long road filled with hateful footprints left to us by a some people too ignorant to be leaders, and yet the ignorant amongst us made them leaders of the selected cults.
Here’s a shout out to all the ignorant hate filled confused people in America. When it’s time to visit your God in your heaven, keep your heads held up high — we don’t want you to be mistaken for sane rational human beings.
The Hall Of Hate Is Now Occupied BY:
The NRA
Republican Party
Confused Old People
Tea Partyers
2nd Ammendment Cultists Followers
and everyone who hates, (for no reason whatsoever) Michelle Obama.
“Every time I conjure up a rock, I throw it.” ― Alice Walker, The Color Purple
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:57 pm
No scout,
You cons said he will take your guns are are dead wrong as usual.
Admit it for credibility.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:58 pm
TBS — “I’m not against it, but do find it ironic that not many people are talking about the funding aspect.”
When it comes time to actually find *funding* for things people say they want, it’s quite remarkable how the noise level in the room drops, isn’t it?
Almost as if the people who want something also expect others to figure out how to pay for it for them.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:58 pm
If God had not wanted women to be able to have abortions, she would have designed them accordingly.
Erwin's cat
January 16th, 2013
2:58 pm
and bought some more ammo too.
sure you did…all the shelves were empty last i checked….except .44 mag
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
2:58 pm
Right after Newtown, the NRA recommended resource officers in schools and the libs. and press were beside themselves with indignation.
Another clownish distortion from Ftroop.
What the NRA said was NO gun control but armed guards in the schools. What Obama has proposed is a variety of sensible gun actions, a call for new gun controls AND providing increased police forces.
As usual, Senior Arabic Digits tries to create a rabbit hole with lies and distortions. Must be the loss of blood to the brain (assuming) but seems to a consistent problem.
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:58 pm
Hey StuDawg….don’t know if you realize it or not but your CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:59 pm
stu,
Let me guess, you are an old fat crazy white conservative.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:59 pm
Right after Newtown, the NRA recommended resource officers in schools and the libs. and press were beside themselves with indignation.
No, they did not say that.
They said this:
Now, the National Rifle Association knows that there are millions of
qualified active and retired police; active, reserve and retired military;
security professionals; certified firefighters and rescue personnel; and
an extraordinary corps of patriotic, trained qualified citizens to join
with local school officials and police in devising a protection plan for
every school. We can deploy them to protect our kids now. We can
immediately make America’s schools safer — relying on the brave men
and women of America’s police force.
And it was stupid.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
2:59 pm
we should probably give out guns at the DMV with drivers licences…..maybe make close quarter combat a required course before graduating to the ninth grade….why not issue everyone kevlar vests as well…I like where this is going…God Bless America…DUH! FREEDOM!!!
RGB
January 16th, 2013
2:59 pm
Well, Phred, at least I know what the constitutes the proper use of a trademark.
No intellectual property for you–two ways.
GEORGE WASHINGTON
January 16th, 2013
2:59 pm
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
curious
January 16th, 2013
3:00 pm
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
“My position (unlike you libs.) has never changed. I will support ANY regulation or law that does two things:
1) Actually will make a difference.
2) Is Constitutional”
Does this meet your criteria?
Require any purchaser of all weapons other than shotguns and bolt action rifles to undergo the same process as someone buying a Class 3 (fully automatic under the NFA) weapon.
RGB
January 16th, 2013
3:02 pm
Jay,
Why not address the proposition that libs are desirous of banning “assault rifles” (still don’t know what one is) when none was apparently used at Sandy Hook?
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
3:02 pm
Bungalow
January 16th, 2013
2:56 pm
Fred – again you can’t answer with any facts but rather fall to the lowest common denominator. Great way to win an argument/debate. You sound like Obama. Don’t propose anything (like a budget) and criticize the other side when they do their job and pass a budget.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
You have posted nothing that NEEDS answered with a fact. You aren’t “debating” you post lies and trolling crap bombs. You have posted nothing that anyone with an ounce of brains could take seriously.
And then you have the gall to talk about lowest demoninator? You are a mindless troll and nothing else. You have done nothing, posted nothing, and actually mean nothing. You are a waste of bandwidth.
If you actually DO post something of merit that deserves serious consideration or debate, I’m sure that myself or someone else will be glad to respond , but so far you have shown npo propensity for doing so.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
3:02 pm
Shorter StuDawg: WOLVERINES!
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
3:02 pm
The a-hole LaPew went on:
Before Congress reconvenes, before we engage in any lengthy debate
over legislation, regulation or anything else, as soon as our kids return
to school after the holiday break, we need to have every single school
in America immediately deploy a protection program proven to work —
and by that I mean armed security.
Right now, today, every school in the United States should plan
meetings with parents, school administrators, teachers and local
authorities — and draw upon every resource available — to erect a
cordon of protection around our kids right now. Every school will have
a different solution based on its own unique situation.
Every school in America needs to immediately identify, dedicate and
deploy the resources necessary to put these security forces in place
right now. And the National Rifle Association, as America’s preeminent
trainer of law enforcement and security personnel for the past 50
years, is ready, willing and uniquely qualified to help.
Stupid crap, called out as such.
And you’re defending it, of course, because you don’t even remember what this moron said.
Forseti
January 16th, 2013
3:02 pm
How many bloggers on this thread actually own a gun?
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
3:04 pm
“regnad, TO PREOTECT OURSELVES FROM TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT, AS STATED BY GEORGE WASHINGTON’
studawg – the question was not about weapons in general, but about why the poster was asserting that any “standard issue” military weapons should be available to all, but other weapons should not. This assertion seemed arbitrary to me, and I asked him to explain.
BTW, dude, you’re shouting. Please try to interact politely.
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
My “compelling evidence” is history.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
You really are trying to assert that the GOP has not moved FAR to the right, aren’t you?????
Wow.
Completely absurd.
The Nixon administration not only supported the Clean Air Act and affirmative action, it also gave us the Environmental Protection Agency, one of the agencies the business community most detests, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration to police working conditions. Herbert Stein, chief economic adviser during the administrations of Nixon and Gerald Ford, once remarked: “Probably more new regulation was imposed on the economy during the Nixon administration than in any other presidency since the New Deal.”
Nixon bolstered Social Security benefits. He introduced a minimum tax on the wealthy and championed a guaranteed minimum income for the poor. He even proposed health reform that would require employers to buy health insurance for all their employees and subsidize those who couldn’t afford it. That failed because of Democratic opposition. Today, Republicans would probably shoot it down.
Nixon’s initiatives would never pass muster in the Republican Party of today, focused as it is on cutting taxes and public spending. His decisions not to try to undo big government programs passed by Lyndon Johnson’s Democratic administration underscores how much the political center has moved.
The difference between then and now is that Nixon — like most mainstream Republicans — accepted that government had a role to play guaranteeing Americans’ economic well-being. That consensus cracked around the time of Ronald Reagan’s inaugural speech in 1981. “Government is not the solution to our problems, government is the problem,” the president intoned. And the country’s political center set off on a long rightward migration.
As for the social issues you listed above, virtually all of the progress came from liberals, today’s Republicans (yesterday’s Democrats) are as segregated as they were in 1959. Maybe even more so.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
listen…listen I know that I’m just some pasty faced fat guy livin’ in my parents basement and scared of my own shadow…but I gots my guns and my rights and my Glenn Beck so I am tough! I am a REAL American…now shut up and lemme finish my double whopper with cheese…Honey Boo Boo is on….
too little time
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
Upon what logic do you base this assertion? It seems to be based on nothing but wishes.
Just as the left’s idea that the 2nd amendment is all about black powder rifles is based on nothing but wishes. I’d estimate (thats all we can really do) that the founding fathers expected that individual citizens should be legally allowed to arms comparable to the military. Many believe that means ANY arms available to the military. I believe that means AT LEAST the rifle and sidearms that regular soldiers carry. Maybe it’s all “wishes”, but I believe it is probably a closer interpretation to the truth than what is purported by the “black powder and hunting shotgun” liberal crowd, or the far right “grenades and stinger missile” crowd. I present a reasonable interpretation.
THOMAS JEFFERSON
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Robert
January 16th, 2013
3:05 pm
I see a lot of posters talking about the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. What about the 14th Amendment?
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”.
(US Constitution, 14th Amendment)