The ever-subtle geniuses at the NRA strike again
The National Rifle Association is not exactly renowned for its subtlety and sense of decorum. It does not persuade; it bullies. It does not discuss; it shouts. And decades of exposure to its own shouting have left it tone-deaf.
The NRA’s newest ad continues in the long tradition.
As the NRA apparently sees it, it is hypocritical and elitist for the president to protect his two daughters against kidnap efforts or physical attack by enemies foreign or domestic unless every other child in America also gets his or her own personal Secret Service detail.
– Jay Bookman
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Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
1:53 pm
“Here is a list provided by the White House of the 23 executive actions President Obama plans to take to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., massacre:”
Thanks for the list, GG. I can’t find too much objectionable in it except number 14. I am not sure the CDC is qualified to research such a thing. It should be an independent entity (with no political bias) with proven experience and trustworthiness (measured by the validation of its findings in other studies by numerous other research groups) in researching social issues.
kayaker 71
January 16th, 2013
1:53 pm
A better way to eliminate gun violence?…… make a raid on the South side Chicago gangs and round up all of their guns. Ought to be good for at least two or three hundred lives saved just in one year. Tell me why everyone gets so upset about 20 white children getting gunned down in CT and ignores several hundred blacks in Chicago who meet the same fate.
Serious patriot
January 16th, 2013
1:53 pm
Thr school has other armed personnel besides the secret service. Of course this was not mentioned in the article. They protect other Washington elitists children which includes members of the hypocritical press.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
1:54 pm
Fred, we’ll have to disagree on the CDC. I agree they are underfunded. But mental health certainly are part of medical issues.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
1:54 pm
That they have no place in dialogue… How clueless these lemmings must be…
Frankly I could care less about your superstitions about men in white robes who live in the clouds and grant wishes.
Keep it to yourself.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
1:55 pm
“Fox News Boner Alert!”
cnn but the State Dept. announced it.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
1:55 pm
Its the guns stupid.
Cons don’t do math or science.
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
1:55 pm
I voted for Obama and the NRA video is correct…if its good enough for his kids its good enough for mine.
Ok, Einstein why don’t you pay what Obama pays then if you think your kids deserve it.
Tuition for 2012-2013
Lower School… $33,268 (includes hot lunch and textbooks)
Middle and Upper Schools… $34,268 (includes hot lunch)
Here’s the website for you to apply to have your kids attend the same school.
http://www.sidwell.edu/admissions/index.aspx
When you pay that kind of money, you also pay for security. When you whine and b*tch about taxes being to high while putting your kids in public school, you still have a resource officer courtesy of the local pd here in Georgia. If you want more than that, then you start writing the checks.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
1:55 pm
Gun Homicides 2012
I really think the murder rate stats are much more damning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
1:56 pm
” Tell me why everyone gets so upset about 20 white children getting gunned down in CT and ignores several hundred blacks in Chicago who meet the same fate.”
Ask Obama.
Hard Rock
January 16th, 2013
1:56 pm
Out of the 23 useless executive actions none suggest an assault weapons ban. Or a ban on production of magazines that hold dozens of bullets. I can only imagine when libs read this foam filled every single crack of their keyboards…. Poor sad folks……
weetamoe
January 16th, 2013
1:56 pm
I”ll agree with Ira’s literacy test for gun ownership if he agrees with my literacy test for voting.
How dare the NRA speak truth to power
And it is interesting that Obama supporters are the only persons here to mention his skin color.
Shine
January 16th, 2013
1:58 pm
the ban on some guns and clips is simply an assault on the second ammendment. that is not a fact based on fear, its simply a fact. why didnt the plan propose some restrictions of hollywoods and game makers 1st ammendment rights? could it be the ACLU would oppose these? or Obama and democrat political donors?
i thought all things were on the table. bs.
all this gun grabbing nonsense is simply political payback for endorsing republicans last election just like all the northern states that have republcan governors and legislatures going after unions because they backed obama.
Seriously Folks
January 16th, 2013
1:58 pm
The sad part of the state of political discourse today is that “pro gun” people say, “if you disagree with me, then you want to take ALL the guns away and tyranny will prevail.”…while others say, “if you want to own a shotgun, you want an anti-tank weapon to shoot rabbits with and everyone should be armed to the hilt.” While I respect those who are “law abiding” citizens and own guns, just remember that those “bad guys” you arming yourself against happen to have that same right to own them. I personally do not own a gun, and only have fired one once in my life. Just not my cup of tea. My only problem with some of the more vocal gun rights advocates is the insistence that ANY meaningful response to gun violence is some sort of conspiratorial end run on our “liberty.” I think our founding fathers gave us “certain inalienable rights”….and those rights come with a great deal of responsibility and restraint/tolerance.
Reading the list of what the President wants to “do” reads like a very non-threatening, nation-wide response that we as responsible citizens need to engage each other to seek common-sense solutions…I for one, am all for having EVERYONE at the table to discuss. But when the NRA starts from a position of “my cold dead hands”….not really a way to find meaningful common ground…because WHATEVER your position on gun ownership, you cannot tell me there is NOT an epidemic of gun violence/accidental death in the country! And that is not a “libtard” or “Con” take on the situation…just a fact
Christian Conservative
January 16th, 2013
1:58 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten:
Wow don’t get your panties in a wad….
Just Saying..
January 16th, 2013
1:58 pm
““Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”.”
You know, I’ve not actually seen a Messianic complex recently…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
1:58 pm
stands for decibels @ 1:29 pm
Then we agree ! Obama wants more resource officers so let’s bring them on ! Right libs. ??
If that is what he truly wants, then it’s one of the very few things (on any subject) I can agree with him on. So let’s do it.
1) Not just resource officers for his children (the Secret Service) or resource officers for inner city schools but resource officers for ALL schools !
2) Also, gun safety should be taught at all school levels (as I believe he has also recommended).
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
1:59 pm
“I’ll agree with Ira’s literacy test for gun ownership if he agrees with my literacy test for voting.”
I will second the motion.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:00 pm
@ welcome to the occupation
You ever hear a single person from the Republicrat Party call for gun confiscation? There’s your answer. Self described leftists are the only people I’ve heard espousing the benefits of a completely gun free society. I agree with your comment that restricting access isn’t and shouldn’t be a left or right issue, though.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:00 pm
Out of the 23 useless executive actions none suggest an assault weapons ban.
So the cons are good with it since all they have complained about is the banning of guns.
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
2:00 pm
The campaigner-n-chief certainly had a great grandstanding campaign photo op session that included his shameless inclusion of innocent children. Beyond that all he’s done is handed off to the Senate where it’s said that Reid won’t bring an assault weapons ban up for a vote. The 23 executive orders sounded reasonable but I’ll bet they get very little follow up and follow through. So for all this Biden/Obama with some anti-gun nut members of congress putting on such a show the left gets many more NRA members and many more new gun owners.
Dave
January 16th, 2013
2:01 pm
After reading this early and listening to the President’s speech I wanted to check on something to make sure I was right. The following quote is from the Syllabus to District of Columbia v. Heller, written by Antonin Scalia:
The nerve of the President. He wants to reimpose the ban on assault weapons and big clips and make people submit to a background check to buy a gun.
These people!
And, what kind of garbage argument is this?
“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose:…. [We've had] longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of fire-arms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms….[There is an] historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.”
The NRA can jump up and down and yell all it wants, spouting gibberish like the ad in question. But, Congress can restrict Second Amendment rights just like it can restrict other Constitutional rights. All it needs is a “rational basis” and that is very easy to come by. The bozos in the gun lobby won’t admit it; but, they know it’s true. And, that’s probably why they yell so much – they don’t want anyone looking behind the curtain and start talking about rational restrictions on guns.
Chances are, the NRA will prevail. It most certainly will unless there is an unprecedented flood of people yelling at their Senators and Representatives – the lily-livered folks that live in fear of the NRA. They will continue to do so unless they come to fear their constituents more.
If you are rational, like the President and Justice Scalia (hah!), shoot (hah again) your people in DC an Email.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
2:01 pm
“Or he could get on a packed school bus and literally shoot fish in a barrel.”
I don’t think that word means what you think it means…
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:01 pm
S. Patriot — “Thr school has other armed personnel besides the secret service. Of course this was not mentioned in the article.”
Of course you forgot to mention that any child attending that school would enjoy that additional protection as well.
So then, the failure of the previous poster to send his child to that school is the root cause of his childrens’ lack of security at school.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:01 pm
Then we agree ! Obama wants more resource officers so let’s bring them on ! Right libs. ??
why do you find this so incredibly bonerific, Scout?
I really do wonder about you sometimes.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:02 pm
crier can’t get over losing twice.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:02 pm
What would Christian Soldiers be without their guns. Christians.
Now there’s a laffer.
Dave
January 16th, 2013
2:02 pm
The second to fourth paragraphs of my 2:01 comment are a screw up due to poor cutting and pasting skills. Sorry
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
2:03 pm
The NRA and their acolytes in RepubliLaLa land have a long history of anti-American rhetoric.
Given a chance to support the “jackbooted thugs at the ATF” OR David Koresh, the Ruby Ridge gang and Timothy McVeigh, I have little doubt who many of them would choose.
So to the extent that these heavily armed cowards and would be traitors want to try and get into a gun battle with Uncle Sam, I say fine. They can all join their buddies listed above.
At which time we will take their weapons from their cold dead hands!
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:03 pm
@ TaxPayer
So, we have more gun related homicides in this country because we have more guns. Ok, I’ll buy that.
What exactly is you solution to this problem? Or did you just want to demonstrate your math skills?
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:03 pm
many more NRA members
If you actually believe the NRA. Which I don’t.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:04 pm
How dare the NRA speak truth to power
LOL
They are just lobbyist for the Gun Industry.
And they are laughing all the way to the bank.
They know you Conservatives are easily fooled.
And it is interesting that Obama supporters are the only persons here to mention his skin color.
Why is that interesting ? They are just pointing out what most Conservatives are simply too chicken … to say.
They dont like him because he is black.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:04 pm
Jay, it looks like Obama agrees with the NRA on one thing…armed guards in school. At least 1000 of them anyway. My source is the AJC…is that ok or is it drudgey spam? Maybe the radical cons have good ideas…every once in a while?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:05 pm
“I really do wonder about you sometimes.”
He claims to be satire so don’t take him seriously.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:05 pm
0311 — “Then we agree ! Obama wants more resource officers so let’s bring them on ! Right libs. ??”
Absolutely! Now find the money for it!
“If that is what he truly wants, then it’s one of the very few things (on any subject) I can agree with him on. So let’s do it.”
Certainly. Why don’t you get to work finding money in the Federal budget for it? After all, irresponsible spending and ever-increasing demands for MOAR SPENDING MUNEEZ are a liberal thing, not a a conservative thing, right?
Find the money for it — amidst all the budget-cutting your side demands — and then we can make it happen.
TBS
January 16th, 2013
2:05 pm
Bro
Glad to know you are feeling better
I noticed when you post anything along the lines of your 1:55 it is met with very little response.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
obamaSINLADEN
January 16th, 2013
2:06 pm
I be at work. i work fu da govment.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:06 pm
I don’t pay much attention to lobbyists like the nra or grover but they are losing lately.
RGB
January 16th, 2013
2:06 pm
Posted: 12:55 p.m. Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2013 AJC.com
Woman robbed at gunpoint at Kroger in Vinings
By Christopher Seward
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Cobb County police said a woman putting groceries in her car at a Vinings Kroger store this week was held up at gunpoint and are seeking the public’s help in finding the suspect.
The robbery occurred around 11 p.m. Monday in the parking lot of the store at 3300 Cobb Parkway in the Riverview Village Shopping Center, according to police spokesman Sgt. Dana Pierce.
Investigators said a man pointed a handgun at the woman and demanded all of her “stuff.”
“The offender fled from the scene on foot southbound on Cobb Parkway after he picked up the victim’s pocketbook from the ground,” Pierce said in a release.
The spokesman said the woman was not injured. The suspect is described as a 5-foot-4 black male with thin build, between 20 to 30 years old and wearing a black sweater with a red design around the neck. He was also wearing black sneakers and khaki pants.
—————————————-
Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study and will also adhere to new restrictions on magazine capacity. Or they could just make strong-arm robbery a crime.
Oh wait, they’ve already done that….
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:07 pm
Oblama actually done nothing…use correct grammer much? And I still can’t get over someone as christian as you (I base that on your name) disrespecting the office of the president so much by calling him Oblama. I guess you are one of those who pick and choose what the bible says on how to live your life by.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:08 pm
@ JamVet
Seems from your comments you have some really violent fantasies in that head of yours concerning people that don’t agree with you, huh?
Definitely putting you on the gun ownership blacklist when they get around to making one…
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:09 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:05 pm
No gun violence control measures were going to be free (even though, yes, I rail on out of control gov’t spending at times). If we are going to protect our children…that’s been the mantra, right? It’s going to cost someone (the taxpayers).
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:09 pm
If you actually believe the NRA. Which I don’t.
Me either. In fact I think given popular opinion their numbers have been dwindling over the years.
I’m sure they got a little uptick recently because of the yahoo’s crawling out from under the rocks
But that wont last either.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
2:09 pm
And now for something completely different (an odd conservative sounding black Democrat):
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/01/16/Texas-Democrat-Compares-Obama-to-Hitler-Calls-for-Impeachment
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
“Tell me why everyone gets so upset about 20 white children getting gunned down in CT and ignores several hundred blacks in Chicago who meet the same fate.”
Maybe because those several hundred blacks aren’t 1st graders sitting in a classroom. Any other questions?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
Stands, definitely a Viagra moment for our friend there. And a silly one. While most of us acknowledge that an armed officer with training would provide some security, it is not a complete solution. At the same time, since Arabic Digits is so excited, is he writing a check to pay for all of these guards? Seems to be a call for new taxes but of course they’ll object to that. My thought has always been to impose a new tax on the sale of bullets and guns to pay for implementation of these new actions. We charge people to park at state parks. Its a fair use tax.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
“At which time we will take their weapons from their cold dead hands!”
Actually, they took them from their hot, burned to a crisp hands.
jack mccoy
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
You’ll never meet a more insecure man than the guy that has to hide behind gun ownership and thump his chest about it. No one is advocating taking all the guns away from you redneck mouth breathers. Heck, I own a hand gun…difference is I don’t need an extended magazine…I can actually hit my target in a couple of shots. I’m also not a Fox news watching “prepper” that thinks war with the gubment is just around the corner. Cracks me up when folks talk about how “if only people had been armed” at any of the recent tragedies. I was in the military for years, it takes ALOT of CQB training to get the muscle memory and general skill you need to handle a situation like that.
Everyone forgets how Reagan was shot, and he was SURROUNDED by trained shooters with guns…
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
After all, irresponsible spending and ever-increasing demands for MOAR SPENDING MUNEEZ
I can’t remember–does Scout constantly complain about us “going broke?” I don’t think he does, actually. So, maybe that’s not a valid argument.
Jm & Stevie Ray, on the other hand, you’d think we were offering 15% on thirty-day T-bills, by the way they poor-mouth this country. But I digress.
Burp!
January 16th, 2013
2:11 pm
Jay, don’t forget the ICBM and aircraft carriers needed to equal what the Feds have, they are all legit “arms” that the 2nd amendment intended for me to have in my garage. Hey does anybody have a good used B-52 bombber for sale?
East Lake Ira
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Where do I sign up for a bazooka?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study and will also adhere to new restrictions on magazine capacity. Or they could just make strong-arm robbery a crime.
Oh wait, they’ve already done that….
Thank god she didn’t have a gun.
If she had and pulled it out she would probably be dead.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
Maybe because those several hundred blacks aren’t 1st graders sitting in a classroom. Any other questions?
And, one life is more precious than another? Those folks in Chitown have mothers that might argue with you on that one.
rightwingextreme
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
1:48 pm
How can anyone deny armed officers in a school when their own kids are at a school with armed
1. There were armed guards at Columbine. More guns isn’t the answer.
and they did save lives.
http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives
Jm
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
sfd
you called?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Looks like the universal background check will pass.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:13 pm
Or did you just want to demonstrate your math skills?
I don’t waste good demonstrations on cons. They don’t do math or science.
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
MeatintheMiddle.
No I ALWAYS side with the “jackbooted thugs at the ATF”.
And against the violence addicted Klan element and the Johnny Traitors that still exists in your beloved GOP.
You screw with Uncle Sam and you will always lose. As it should be. We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Ask David Koresh.
Oh that’s right, you can’t!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
DIA — “No gun violence control measures were going to be free (even though, yes, I rail on out of control gov’t spending at times). If we are going to protect our children…that’s been the mantra, right? It’s going to cost someone (the taxpayers).”
Agree. All those armed officers in public schools aren’t going to be free, so if it’s something we collectively want as a nation — and our conservative posters seem to be on board with it — then let’s find money for it instead of going all deficit-spendy.
0311, my suggestion is that we start by eliminating the dependent exemption from personal income taxes. That ought to generate enough funding for all these new cops in schools. Plus, the majority of the burden will fall on the backs of those who are causing us to incur the expense, right?
Families with kids.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study
Care to tell us why that’d be a bad thing?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
Mama:
Cut the “waste, fraud and abuse”. The money is there.
Heck, you might even have plenty of people to volunteer their services !
Robert
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
Where was the NRA when GW Bush children went to the same schools the Obama children attend? Why is it a double standard for Clinton, Bush and Obama. All 3 Presidents had children while in the White House who attended private schools with Secret Service Security Guards.
The NRA is a bunch of crazy lunatics acting like “cowards” with guns. Who the hell cares what they think.
TaxPayer
January 16th, 2013
2:16 pm
Where do I sign up for a bazooka?
Talk to scout. He can probably set you up with someone at a recruiting station.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:16 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
2:10 pm
Stands, definitely a Viagra moment for our friend there. And a silly one. While most of us acknowledge that an armed officer with training would provide some security, it is not a complete solution.
Biden’s “there is no silver bullet” comment just might apply here…
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:16 pm
“Where do I sign up for a bazooka?”
The guns special forces use are pretty cool.
rightwingextreme
January 16th, 2013
2:16 pm
If bammy and his admin really want to protect our society fro gun violence why not go after the Gangs that are permeating our land? They are responsible for a large part of the violence we are seeing in this land.
What say this board?
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
2:17 pm
Hopefully, the White House and Congress can address the real danger to our children and take action to cut spending and our 16 trillion plus national debt. I don’t think we’ll see this president taking any action that places him in a position of taking responsibility himself for initiating action. It would be contrary to his campaign style of pretend governance.
Erwin's cat
January 16th, 2013
2:17 pm
I don’t think that word means what you think it means…
Why is the school bus packed full of fish?
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:18 pm
you called?
Not really. However, long as you’re here?
We are not going broke. We are the richest, most powerful country ever on Planet Earth. We have the wherewithal to fix most any problem that ails us, if conservative legislators would get the hell out of the way.
See also (just as a f’rinstance):
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2013/01/get-shovel-its-ready.html
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
2:18 pm
A thoughtful article:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/337789/gun-control-executive-order-scott-coffina
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:18 pm
@TaxPayer
Well, since I’m certainly not a “con” you can demonstrate for me. Gotta love all the people in this country who jump up and down pointing at the guy across the aisle saying stuff like “They dont do math or science” instead of offering anything resembling a productive thought.
I’ll ask again. You’ve proven that guns are the problem, so please enlighten us all with your solution?
Robert
January 16th, 2013
2:19 pm
@stands for decibels – “Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study”
Hopefully the white male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study – (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome)
jbill
January 16th, 2013
2:19 pm
The truth hurts sometimes..the NRA is right on and have offered to train officers for every school that wants them free. What did Biden say..no! The NRA has 300,000 new member since shooting in Conn. and over $2 million in donations. The Latest polls show 73% didn’t want any new gun controls 23 % said yes and 4% no opinion. The County I live in in Georgia has a officer in every school and HS has more than one. Whats fair for the Boss is good for the slaves.
DownInAlbany
January 16th, 2013
2:19 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:15 pm
DIA — “No gun violence control measures were going to be free (even though, yes, I rail on out of control gov’t spending at times). If we are going to protect our children…that’s been the mantra, right? It’s going to cost someone (the taxpayers).”
Agree. All those armed officers in public schools aren’t going to be free, so if it’s something we collectively want as a nation — and our conservative posters seem to be on board with it — then let’s find money for it instead of going all deficit-spendy.
0311, my suggestion is that we start by eliminating the dependent exemption from personal income taxes. That ought to generate enough funding for all these new cops in schools. Plus, the majority of the burden will fall on the backs of those who are causing us to incur the expense, right?
Families with kids.
Pew says 62% of Democrats favor armed-guards. And, as far as the dependent exemption, you including those that qualify for earned income credit? The poorest of the poor? It’ll never happen.
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:20 pm
Wonder what the Venn Diagram of “CDC don’t know sh-t ’bout gunz” (c. 2013) and “Nate Silver is a clueless homerseckshul” (c. 2012) subsets would look like.
DannyX
January 16th, 2013
2:21 pm
“The Latest polls show 73% didn’t want any new gun controls 23 % said yes and 4% no opinion.”
Where did you find that poll? unskewedpolls.com?
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
2:21 pm
” Whats fair for the Boss is good for the slaves.”
jbill – sorry you consider yourself a slave – you should really work on your self-image issues…
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:21 pm
@ JamVet
Think I just threw up a little. Please don’t call it my “beloved GOP.” Only thing I have in common with the Republicrats is that I usually don’t like what Dems are putting out, either.
Just saying, you seem to be getting pretty good wood yourself imagining all this death and cold hands. Kinda creepy if you ask me.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:22 pm
“so please enlighten us all with your solution?”
If the solution was easy, it would be done by now.
The goal is to save one child from being slaughtered at school so the bar is set really low.
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
2:22 pm
TBS
Thanks bro.. Re that 1:55 and the silence thereafter, it’s easy to talk trash. When it comes time to actually put money on the table, then you separate the men from the boys.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:23 pm
and they did save lives.
http://www.examiner.com/article/fact-check-columbine-high-s-armed-guard-saved-student-lives
They absolutely DID NOT save lives that day.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html
More guns = More gun violence
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:23 pm
0311 — “Mama: Cut the “waste, fraud and abuse”. The money is there.”
Yeah, that’s not how accounting works (giggling)
Unless and until you can *quantify* the cost of the program and *quantify* the specific amount you claim you can save, we can just agree to do away with the dependent exemption on personal income taxes.
If you want to revisit this later, we can always look at your hard numbers.
“Heck, you might even have plenty of people to volunteer their services !”
Then again, we might not. And if you told a prospective landlord that you “might” be able to pay the rent each month, I doubt he’d rent to you. So let’s either get some firm figures in hand or let’s chop out that exemption, k?
East Lake Ira
January 16th, 2013
2:23 pm
Can I get some Stingers and a 50 cal. to go please?
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
2:24 pm
“Wonder what the Venn Diagram of “CDC don’t know sh-t ’bout gunz” (c. 2013) and “Nate Silver is a clueless homerseckshul” (c. 2012) subsets would look like”
Unity
Robert
January 16th, 2013
2:24 pm
@jbill – Who the hell are you calling “slaves”? Thank you taking off your hood, sheet and combat boots. Your family, friends and neighbors know who you are. Welcome to the civilized world. We will make sure you get a mental health screening before we allow you to purchase and own a gun. Coward..
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
2:25 pm
Why is the school bus packed full of fish?
…and shaped like a barrel?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:26 pm
Where did you find that poll? unskewedpolls.com?
romneyinlandslide.com
Partisay
January 16th, 2013
2:26 pm
DownInAlbany – And, one life is more precious than another?
Did I say that one life is more precious than the other? I don’t think so. For you to suggest the fact that there is no difference in someone shooting 20 preschool children while they sit in a classroom to violence on the streets in Chicago, well, I have no words for you.
Jm
January 16th, 2013
2:27 pm
sfd
meh. let’s dissect this.
“We are the richest, most powerful country ever on Planet Earth. ”
Do you know the wealth of the Roman Empire? Relative to its time, I might argue the Roman Empire was more powerful too.
Richest? Debatable. You have money illusion. When we are no longer the reserve currency of the world, that will quickly change.
Most powerful? Now – yes. But waning swiftly.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
2:29 pm
@ cheesy grits
The actual facts and statistics seem to prove your more guns = more violence wrong:
“The violent crime rate – which includes murder, rape, and beatings – is half of what it was in the early 1990s. And the violent crime rate involving the use of weapons has also declined at a similar pace.”
“Over the past 20 years, virtually every state in the country has liberalized gunownership rules and many states have expanded concealed carry laws that allow more people to carry weapons in more places. There around 300 million guns in the United States and at least one gun in about 45 percent of all households. Yet the rate of gun-related crime continues to drop.”
http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/01/10/reasons-5-facts-on-guns-and-gun-violence
barking frog
January 16th, 2013
2:29 pm
Making a misdemeanor an offense that bars gun ownership would
thin down the gun owner population.
barking frog
January 16th, 2013
2:29 pm
Making a misdemeanor an offense that bars gun ownership would
thin down the gun owner population.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
2:29 pm
Granny (and Jay): Yes I do have a problem with the question. Am i a little paranoid about security? You betcha. I know how to get into your computer and I’m an amateur, how about the real “pro’s?” You fill lut your little Doc’s questionaire and he has some nice person enter into your computer data file and someone hacks his record. Gee, look, here is a list of houses that don’t jhave guns to protect themselves, let’s rob them (if you answered no guns), here is a list of houses with guns we can target to get more weapons to sell on the black market (if you checked yes to guns). And don’t tell me it doesn’t happen. How long has it been since the last “major” security theft announcement? 12 hours? If they can hack the FBI they can damn sure hack Dr. Pudley’s 15 year old XP network that has no firewall much less an AV or update.
As to them even asking? Many people are timid when it comes to Doctors and will do ANYTHING a Doc tells them to do. How many women have had a C-section or induced labor because a Doc was pushing his dinner reservations or tee time?
As to the CDC, I’ve already stated my reasons, but I’ll do it again. They there to take care of infectious diseases not make political statements. I know many people that work there that are really hacked off at the political idiots who do know “doctor/scientist” work taking their limited cash and using it for political power grabs. The CDC is there to cure the cold, ebola, AIDS, ect……. NOT to preach about guns or global warming. We have other agencies for that. Let NOAA preach about global warming. Let the FBI, Homeland Security, or other law enforcement personnel deal with gun violence as it happens on the practical side and let the politicians get it settled on the political side. let the census bureau crunch the numbers if need be, they take care of all the other “social numbers” for us. The CDC is underfunded as it is to do what it is SUPPOSED to do don’t steal more money from it and add useless people to it.
I hope i was clear, if not feel free to ask for clarification (I know you will anyways lol) or to disagree. I don’t pretend to know everything or be inflexible in my thinking. I have had my mind changed here before. Hell, Jay did it at least once but don’t tell him, he’ll get all swole up about hisself………..
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
2:29 pm
Whats fair for the Boss is good for the slaves.
You see ….. that’s code for Obama is a …..
We all know what comes next.
Robert
January 16th, 2013
2:30 pm
@RGB – “Hopefully the black male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study”
Hopefully the white male with thin build will be the subject of an upcoming CDC study – (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome)
getalife
January 16th, 2013
2:30 pm
“Most powerful? Now – yes. But waning swiftly.”
BS.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
2:31 pm
DIA — “Pew says 62% of Democrats favor armed-guards. And, as far as the dependent exemption, you including those that qualify for earned income credit? The poorest of the poor? It’ll never happen.”
Oh, you thought I was *serious?*
I’m simply drawing a parallel with our conservative friends’ argument with respect to universal health care coverage. They were upset that everyone was going to have to pay for it, so one of their ‘market-based’ solutions was that sicker people should pay more for the entitlement.
Fair enough. So let’s apply that *exact same thinking* to the funding of armed school resource officers. If sick people should pay more for their coverage, then shouldn’t people with kids — who are the ones *consuming* most of that protection — be the ones to pay more?
The two simplest ways to do that are to either impose a user fee at schools or to eliminate the tax benefit of having kids (since the kids are now going to cause the nation to incur a significant new cost).
I’m sure our conservative friends and associates will see the wisdom of charging more from the people who are consuming more of a good or service. After all, that’s just smart business, right?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 16th, 2013
2:31 pm
MeetInTheMiddle,
On this and other issues, the GOP is now a far right party and the Democrats are simply “center” right.
There is no left.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
2:31 pm
stands for decibles:
“I really do wonder about you sometimes.”
As I do you ………… thus the impasse.
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
2:32 pm
There are about one thousand plus school systems nationally that have armed law enforcement or armed resource officers in place that have been in place even prior to the Sandy Hook incident. The state of PA. is using former retired state highway patrol officers. Evidently individual school systems are finding the money. The suggestion that qualified volunteers might be supplemental resources as well is also true.