The ever-subtle geniuses at the NRA strike again
The National Rifle Association is not exactly renowned for its subtlety and sense of decorum. It does not persuade; it bullies. It does not discuss; it shouts. And decades of exposure to its own shouting have left it tone-deaf.
The NRA’s newest ad continues in the long tradition.
As the NRA apparently sees it, it is hypocritical and elitist for the president to protect his two daughters against kidnap efforts or physical attack by enemies foreign or domestic unless every other child in America also gets his or her own personal Secret Service detail.
– Jay Bookman
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Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
11:51 am
One thing’s for certain: any thread about guns, NRA, mass murders. etc. really brings the nutcases out of the woodwork. I’m enjoying the show!
keith
January 16th, 2013
11:51 am
Eventually we will have tough gun laws in this country with real teeth. The violence wont stop but it will be reduced dramatically.
Its just a matter of how long the Republican hillbillies, low education voter types, who are easily fooled by the NRA ( Gun Industry ) can drag their heels.
yep, Chicago is a perfect example isnt it? LMAO
mbtc
January 16th, 2013
11:51 am
@Tony:”………the take over of our government. Which by the way is exactly what that loon and you socialist fool’s are attempting to do.”
Yeah, the Democrats won the election and took over the government as per their constitutional right. Go shake in your boots at the prospect. Keep the curtains drawn. Only come out at night, well armed and and sneak down to Publixs for some more ice cream.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
11:52 am
Recon — “JHM, Barton committed those murders at the day trading firms of Momentum Securities and at the All-Tech investment group.”
And he walked INTO the bank, most likely looking for more victims. I suppose you think he looked in, saw everyone conducting their business calmly and just figured he’d look elsewhere for vics?
The only thing keeping him from shooting bank employees or customers in there was the fact that EVERY ONE OF THEM — armed guards included — had taken shelter and had hidden themselves from sight (at least from anyone looking in through the door).
“Glad your wife was not harmed.”
As am I.
curious
January 16th, 2013
11:52 am
rightwingextreme
History is fun. That’s why the NRA should take note of it.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
11:52 am
“TC and myself have given you the Heller decision, the writer of the 2A Mason’s comments on the militia and other founders comments but you just refuse to accept these views and want to stick to the lefts viewpoint.”
JHM, I posted a few interesting links pertaining to this matter yesterday after you had gone offline. Here they are again, if you care to look at them:
http://www.virginiainstitute.org/publications/primer_on_const.php
http://www.saf.org/emersonacadsecd.htm
The first contains a compelling grammatical analysis of 2A and the second some compelling historical evidence for interpreting 2A in the way I do.
bob
January 16th, 2013
11:53 am
All the gun control in the world is not going to stop crazy people from killing. These rules won’t stop the killing, just lower the number killed. Every one of these high profile shootings was done by someone who had known mental problems. The whole damn country is barking up the wrong tree.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 16th, 2013
11:53 am
Last night I was thinking about “Christians” and guns, trying hard to fathom the reasoning as to why a follower of Christ, the most peace loving man ever, would even want to consider owning weapons….and I got a headache…but then…
It came to my mind that the story of Jesus would make a great sci fi flick. You know the one about an advanced civilization sending a liaison to earth to try to help its people understand the true nature of life. How, with one helping another, problems can be easier solved, and with the acceptance of others beliefs and tolerance for other societies, great advances could be made for all. But the natives are restless and fearful and those in power see the danger to that power if the visitor is allowed to continue. So he is arrested on trumped up charges and condemned to death. After they supposedly killed him and his body is locked up in the morgue, the visitor is really back on the mothership having a three day conference deciding if earth should be called a bad cause and destroyed. In the end the visitor ends the conference by saying “leave them to there own devices, they aren’t worth the bomb.”
In the end scene the earth leaders want to get the body for display, open the morgue just in time to see the visitor transport back to his ship. Thus doubt is born and word gets out…could he have been God?…and a religion is born.
THAT I could believe!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 16th, 2013
11:56 am
Well, I don’t see what Bookman’s got a chigger in his shorts about. Every word in that NRA ad is true. Obama’s kids do get armed guards. Course, I reckon the fact he’s President of the U.S. of A. might have a little to do with that.
Anyhow, I got a idea for keeping our kids safe from murderers without passing all these laws that restrict our Right to Bare Arms. Why not just let the kids carry little guns to school? I bet a nut would think twice about busting into a classroom with a weapon if about 25 kids had guns to point back at him—35 kids if it’s a GA classroom. And the best part is, we wouldn’t have all these school fights on the playground. And the teachers would be very, very, very nice to their students.
Anyhow, it’s about chow time so I thought I’d throw in this idea for y’all to chew on while you’re filling your belly.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Suburban Dad
January 16th, 2013
11:57 am
Everyone agrees that the President and his children deserve protection. Even the NRA.
The point of the ad is that President Obama is doing nothing to protect OUR children.
Not one measure taken by NY State yesterday or in Obama’s planned actions, would have prevented any of the *mass* shootings that have happened in the last year or more. Nothing.
Liberals would NEVER come out against the 4th Amendment, which was the vehicle for Roe v. Wade. Yet you are willing to come out against the 2d Amendment, which is supported by even greater volumes of state and Federal law.
Here’s a topic for a future article: Given the proposed mandatory reporting requirements for mental health professionals (that they identify *potentially dangerous* people) how many people who need mental health will avoid it? I wonder how that math works out. Isn’t this an even uglier violation of our 4th amendment rights to privacy.
This current round of gun control is all about the NRA and gun lobbies working against obama/biden in 2008&2012. Google NRA + Biden and see how long the ugliness has gone on.
F. Sinkwich
January 16th, 2013
11:57 am
Just minutes after a leftie looney-tune compares the NRA to the KKK, another one pulls out the Gestapo card.
Can’t wait for the next one…
keith
January 16th, 2013
11:58 am
THE KING IS SPEAKING…..
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
11:58 am
No money boo boos for Honey Boo Boo
“Honey Boo Boo is going to be just fine financially when she gets older, thanks to wise financial planning from Mama June. The reality TV mother has revealed she siphons the majority of the family’s “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” earnings into trust funds for her daughters.
“The family receives between $15,000 – $20,000 per episode, which is divided equally into accounts for Alana “Honey Boo Boo” Thompson, 7; Lauryn, 12; Jessica, 15; Anna, 18, and baby Kaitlyn, the reality matriarch told TMZ.
I know I’ll sleep better tonight.
Donovan
January 16th, 2013
11:58 am
Once again, Bookman throws out the chum and his little sharks come to feed on his favorite meal, left wing pablum. After reading most of the posts by the usual suspects, you have to shake your head as to their naive view of the world. I love some of the comments from this collective bunch of elitist pontificators…”The NRA? F-ck those guys”. And, “I’m with stands@9:34″. Emotional rot from zealous kooks belonging to the Bookman Club of Progressives.
The NRA ad is a parodied zinger that gets your attention. It hits at the mentality of your “middle class” voter; A trojan horse that you free thinkers don’t like.
The NRA just happens to be pragmatic and a stalward against your form of intrusive liberal government. We have the freedom to own guns. In the same breath, you have the election to cower without guns. In the world in which we now live in I feel safer with my concealed permit rather than in the world of your “gun free zones”. Your gun free schools will only get more kids killed. Bullied geeks, Goth drop-outs, and zany/brainy intellectual freaks will brush right past your gun free school signs to make a lethal statement until you come up with a better way to stop them. Soft targets always suffer the retribution of evil doers. Defense against evil doers deters their attack.
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
11:58 am
“trying hard to fathom the reasoning as to why a follower of Christ, the most peace loving man ever, would even want to consider owning weapons”
self defense. but a pistol or shotgun…not a freakin’ assault rifle
Goldie
January 16th, 2013
11:58 am
“Ok, it’s obviously reasonable for the President to have people protecting him with automatic weapons that Jay wants banned for everyone else. ”
So, you’re saying that the Secret Service agents at the school use Bushmaster rifles with 100 bullet magazines? REALLY???
Wow. Another great disconnected viewpoint coming from the viewers of Fox Noise!
Liberal Lemming
January 16th, 2013
11:59 am
“I simply stated the fact that democrats are advocating for sucking the brains out of babies before they are born.”
The thought just occurred to me that it might be cheaper to go to a zombie than an abortion clinic. The economy is tough, so you have to save where you can.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
12:01 pm
really? what part of my post is a lie? obamas mother isnt white? his father didnt run off when he was born? his white family didnt raise him? he didnt state he enthusiastically used “blow”, which is a street thug term for cocaine? which part of all that is inaccurate?
Some much stupidity, so little time………..
Actually Obama’s MOTHER left for Washingtion (State not DC) after he was born, not his dad leaving.
In 1963 she married an INDONESIAN (get that, not a “white guy”) and he went off to INDONESIA. Remember where he attended that “militant Muslim school where he learned how to be an AMurikin hating terrorist?”
powder coke ISN’T Crack, ask that street thug George W. Bush since he was addicted to Cocaine.
So basically everything you wrote was a lie, a distortion of truth.
Need help with anything else? Maybe sobriety? http://www.atlantaaa.org/
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:01 pm
to add to my 11:58 – a quote from Ronald Reagan
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/734917_592851774073671_2054111264_n.png
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 16th, 2013
12:01 pm
Some light reading…
http://www.thenation.com/blog/172215/nra-and-gops-fast-and-furious-lies
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:02 pm
The kids on the stage sound more adult than the nra.
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:02 pm
here we go, the little dictator is arrogantly preaching to his minions about how great dear leader is.
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
12:02 pm
“Morgan Fairchild as the tight end”
Hmm…
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:04 pm
Aaaaaaand Obama mentions “violent video games”.
:lol 
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stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
12:04 pm
I bet a nut would think twice about busting into a classroom with a weapon if about 25 kids had guns to point back at him—35 kids if it’s a GA classroom.
heh, heh, heh.
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:05 pm
so were those 1.4 million people illegally trying to get a gun arrested? well obama were they??? what a punk.
Tony
January 16th, 2013
12:05 pm
Wow, it just dawned on me. Obesity, cigarettes and automobiles kill more people than guns do. Why don’t we outlaw fast food, tobacco products and cars?
I remember an old Archie Bunker sitcom a few years back. His daughter and her husband were anti gun fanatics. Well Archie and Gloria were arguing about how horrible guns were and Archie retaliated with a comeback I will never forget. He told her. Little girl would you feel better if they was pushed out a window. Oh I forgot. Maybe we should outlaw all sharp instruments also.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
12:06 pm
BTW, Recon, it looks like Hagel’s likely to be confirmed as SecDef. That’s one good piece of news today, wouldn’t you agree?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:06 pm
The nra was started after the civil war by two Yankees.
They were for gun laws until a coup of leadership won then they flipped flopped.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
12:06 pm
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:02 pm
here we go, the little dictator is arrogantly preaching to his minions about how great dear leader is.
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Rush Limbaugh is talking to you foxbots about Rupert Murdoch? Boy howdy I’ll bet you are excited……..
Goldie
January 16th, 2013
12:07 pm
“Every one of these high profile shootings was done by someone who had known mental problems. ”
And bob — every one of them were using military-style weapons, too. Not a good combination, don’t you agree???
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:07 pm
law enforcers around the country will never enforce anti American laws. Sheriffs are already telling the fool that.
Art Vandelay
January 16th, 2013
12:08 pm
and the left is so stupid that they really think the operators of those drones and apache helicoptors would fire on their fellow citizens if they ordered them to do so. why would they kill their friends and families just because some leftwing dictator told them to? are you for real???
Well, keith, thanks for confirming that your side has no legitimate argument at all in this debate. If you’re so sure that the operators of drones and Apache helicopters wouldn’t fire on their fellow citizens, then what’s the need for arming yourselves against a tyrannical government? Your ability to talk in circles is matched only by your inability to grasp simple logic. I’ll make this really simple for you, since that seems necessary: you’re on the wrong side of history, period. The country is moving forward, and whether you like it or not, there are changes coming. Big ones. You’ve already lost this fight, and it’s just a matter of time before you either accept that, or you come out guns a’blazing and let the chips fall where they may. Can’t say I like your odds very much if you go with the second options, but it’s your choice.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
12:08 pm
Regnad Kcin
January 16th, 2013
12:02 pm
“Morgan Fairchild as the tight end”
Hmm…
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You should have seen her as Mrs. Robinson a couple of years ago when The Graduate was at the FOX. Act two opened up in the bedroom and she popped up wearing nothing but a G-String. WOWZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
12:08 pm
TC, thanks for those links. I probably won’t read them in detail until the weekend, as my wife’s birthday is tomorrow and she has my free time planned out for me.
However, she’s head honcho for a baby shower on Saturday, so I expect I will have lots of uninterrupted time then to give them a close read and lots of thought. Plus, I’ll be at home with all my old Con Law texts and references.
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
And bob — every one of them were using military-style weapons, too. Not a good combination, don’t you agree???
guess you dont know what kinds of guns were used at VA TECH and in the Giffords shooting. And of course Columbine.
Jefferson
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
If the national guard will kill students, anybody can get shot that resists.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
“I respect gun ownership.”
To the mind of a con, the” king said he will take guns.”
keith
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
And bob — every one of them were using military-style weapons, too. Not a good combination, don’t you agree???
guess you dont know what kinds of guns were used at VA TECH and in the Giffords shooting. And of course Columbine.
Georgia
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
keep your powder dry.
RB from Gwinnett
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
“Hey, gun nuts, answer me this: Have you ever seen an Apache helicopter? How about an unmanned drone? Think your AR-15 will have any impact on them? The military can see your body heat through the walls, and they have guns that can fire through those same walls and shred you to pieces; they have chemicals that can melt the skin off your body, and gases that will kill you before you know you’ve inhaled them. If the government really wants to get you, they’re gonna get you.”
See Afganistan.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
Just damn. The President is calling on the CDC to research “causes and prevention of gun violence.”
What a crock of crap. Looks like he’s tossing half a billion dollars at useless crap with maybe one or two REAL ideas tossed in like backgrounds checks. Although it COULD cost that much to establish a National data base…….
Art Vandelay
January 16th, 2013
12:12 pm
“law enforcers around the country will never enforce anti American laws. Sheriffs are already telling the fool that”
Either you’re just blatantly lying, or you’re stupid beyond belief. Law enforcement around the country WANTS to take assault weapons off the streets, because they’re tired of the criminals having access to better and more powerful weapons than the average police officer. And how about military Generals like McChrystal and Powell, both of whom are on record stating that they see no reason for civilians to have military-grade weapons that are designed purely to kill and maim? Are they tools of the leftist dictator, too, or is it possible that you’re nothing more than a paranoid buffoon who needs a big gun to compensate for his small d!ck?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:12 pm
Lets get real, cons can’t engage in civil debate over guns so ignore them.
The majority rules.
WhoCares?
January 16th, 2013
12:13 pm
The people who cause genuine terror here are the NRA and those who endorse their ever-louder refusal to discuss gun violence–not even to discuss in a sane public forum. Just rant. There are many good gun rights advocates who do not support the NRA on this manner, and good for them. Let’s not ignore the majority who consider gun-owning a privilege that carries responsibilities rather than the NRA leadership which bullies, abuses and perverts what should be laudable goals for all of us. The NRA leadership is trash.
Paul
January 16th, 2013
12:13 pm
Towncrier
“Ah..he resorts to childish humor as a means of deflection (which is a sure sign of defeat).”
Ummm…. no…. it was (hopefully) a subtle way to say “Towncrier, your obsession with the sex lives of others and your eagerness to interject the subject into any conversation (you brought it up here with me, remember?) is downright creepy,”
“Of course the reason I have focused upon this matter is …”
I know, I know… any reason you can conjure is good enough to keep obsessing, eh?
Hey JamVet, you had your longtime leg humper. Now I have empathy for what you went thru. Still have that armored knee and thigh protector? Can I please borrow it?
rightwingextreme
January 16th, 2013
12:13 pm
RB from Gwinnett
January 16th, 2013
12:11 pm
“Hey, gun nuts, answer me this: Have you ever seen an Apache helicopter? How about an unmanned drone? Think your AR-15 will have any impact on them? The military can see your body heat through the walls, and they have guns that can fire through those same walls and shred you to pieces; they have chemicals that can melt the skin off your body, and gases that will kill you before you know you’ve inhaled them. If the government really wants to get you, they’re gonna get you.”
See Afganistan.
Yes….see Afghanistan….IEDs have been pretty effective against an Abrams tank. A bunch of “militia” boys have been giving our boys fits over there. It’s why we’re leaving.
Art Vandelay
January 16th, 2013
12:13 pm
RB, what about Afghanistan?
Buzz Belle
January 16th, 2013
12:13 pm
breckenridge @11:48 – I completely agree! What a GREAT idea!
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 16th, 2013
12:15 pm
“See Afganistan.”
So RB, are you comparing Christian gun nuts to the Taliban?
Art Vandelay
January 16th, 2013
12:16 pm
rightwingextreme, how many Apaches and drones have been brought down by Afghan fighters? The reason we’re losing in Afghanistan (and the reason every country that’s ever invaded that country has lost) is that a) we don’t even know who the enemy is because they look like civilians and b) the terrain provides countless opportunities for ambushes and quick escapes in the mountains and caves. There’s no equivalency whatsoever.
Thomas
January 16th, 2013
12:17 pm
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/11958-illegal-alien-murderer-had-murdered-before
hmmm- let’s don’t go there. Let stay simple minded.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
12:17 pm
Signing 23 Executive Orders. The list of such actions include requiring federal agencies to hand over relevant data for a background check system; providing law enforcement officials, first responders and school officials with better training for active shooting situations; directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence; and many more.
And the impeachment whining will commence in 3…2…1
RB from Gwinnett
January 16th, 2013
12:17 pm
“You can turn them in or go to jail or have them taken from your cold dead hands, your choice. America will continue without the foolish.”
Or you can ignore the “executive order” because it’s not an an enforceable law.
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:17 pm
I started watching in the middle…what exactly were the executive orders?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:18 pm
The “king” sends the proposals to congress.
Right keith?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 16th, 2013
12:19 pm
RB,
You had better be quiet, because they are watching you. Soon they will come for you…soon…
Neal
January 16th, 2013
12:19 pm
Obama’s kids need protection against nut jobs that support the making of videos like this. Sickening.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
12:19 pm
Goldie — “So, you’re saying that the Secret Service agents at the school use Bushmaster rifles with 100 bullet magazines? REALLY???”
I’m on the same side as you, so please don’t freak out when I say this.
Those hi-cap mags are HEAVY AS ALL HELL when they are loaded, and since they’re made by after-market manufacturers (AFAIK no rifle or pistol manufacturers actually makes those mags for their own products), they tend to jam with alarming frequency. I’ve hefted an AR-15 that had a loaded (with dummy rounds) hi-cap mag in it, and it was extremely difficult to hold it in a reasonable firing position.
For those who’ve never seen them they look (at least the ones I’ve seen and handled) like a lower-case b, p or d — the long tail on the letter is the part that slips into the rifle’s receiver. The magazine curls around so that you don’t have a foot-long fragile weight hanging out of your weapon, ready to get knocked out and thereby damage itself and your weapon. At any rate, IMO, they’re a giant hassle.
I don’t hang out much with other gun owners, but just speaking for myself, I don’t know anyone who has or wants one of those hi-cap mags. And I’m not interested in them myself.
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
12:20 pm
Thief Writes Apology Letter, Returns Stolen Gold Rings 15 Years Later
“The first ring is my mother’s actual wedding band, that she was not wearing because she was going to get it re-sized. The second is a ring with a small diamond that my father gave my mother when my sister was born, who is a year older than I am,” said Riphagen.
“And then the other two, I actually didn’t know existed until we got them back, but they are my grandparents’ wedding bands. They had small diamond chips put into them for me and my sister when we got older. So it was a pretty big deal. I’m now actually wearing my grandfather’s wedding band.”
Great story!
Liberal Lemming
January 16th, 2013
12:20 pm
“Just minutes after a leftie looney-tune compares the NRA to the KKK, another one pulls out the Gestapo card.”
The NRA, the GOP, all older white politician (except people like Harry Reid, of course), all conservative blacks and women are racist, moronic, imbecilic neo-nazi wingnuts. That’s just a fact. And these mindless and soulless neo-cons are incapable of seeing the truth. I realize that the interment of the Japanese during WWII was wrong, but I think interring all of the neo-cons would be a good thing. No more stupid talk shows. People would finally be able to speak freely. No more gun shows. We could just collect all of the guns belonging to law abiding citizens and have a big meltdown – maybe in Chicago. If any criminal assaulted us with a weapon, we would talk to him and try to uncover his inner wounds that are misleading his naturally good self. It would be so great!
dawggirl95
January 16th, 2013
12:20 pm
So it’s okay to trot out grieving parents and to surround yourself with other people’s children when you’re campaigning to get rid of guns, but shhhh, don’t mention MY children if you’re defending the 2nd amendment. At least now we have the rules set.
Dan
January 16th, 2013
12:20 pm
Are there any mistruths in the ad? President Obama wants more for himself than he is willing to give the rest of us.
Keep his children out of this? When he speaks later today he will surround himself with children.
The issue is about protecting our children (not kids as the president calls them) Along with protecting our rights and freedom as americans.
Look at any of the proposals they come forward with, would any of them stopped or minimized any of the killings in schools or theaters? Or is it just more laws that will cost taxpayers money and do nothing to improve the situation. Criminals and crazy people dont follow laws, keep this in mind as you ask for or create more laws
Paul
January 16th, 2013
12:21 pm
rightwingextreme 12:13
Are you suggesting you can foresee a time in which you’d (or others in this country) would plant IEDs to kill American soldiers In America?
stands for decibels
January 16th, 2013
12:22 pm
And the impeachment whining will commence in 3…2…1
I’ve said that history is bound to repeat itself. They’ll probably do like the cowards in the House did back in ‘98–a lame-duck vote after the mid-terms, and watch their impeachment effort fail (of course) to net a conviction in the Senate.
And they will have, once again, dumbed down the meaning of “high crimes and misdemeanors”, all the way to “Executive-orderin’ stuff that gets stupid people butthurt.”
Liberal Lemming
January 16th, 2013
12:22 pm
“I probably won’t read them in detail until the weekend, as my wife’s birthday is tomorrow and she has my free time planned out for me.”
Have a great time, JHM. I am sure you know that a happy wife leads to a happy life.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
12:22 pm
Fred, have to disagree with you on the CDC. There are a lot of mental health and gun related issues that the CDC and others can help, especially at identifying the warning signs and signals to look for that someone may be considering just being a “2d amendment fanatic/extremist” to a active mass-killer.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 16th, 2013
12:22 pm
keith
I simply state the fact that Republicans are sucking the brains out of babies after they are born. turning them into con-victims
Bob
January 16th, 2013
12:22 pm
No one is saying he shouldn’t protect his family. He should. He should do it as well as he can. And he should not infringe my ability to do the same. It is hypocritical, no matter how you slice it. I am not an egalitarian, so I do think his kids are more important to our nation than mine, from the standpoint of their social standing. But that does not remove my right to protect my own as best I can. The day may come, when mine rise to contribute to the well-being of our nation. They need protecting. Even from their own government sometimes.
Gail A
January 16th, 2013
12:27 pm
Absolutely despicable! Buts that the NRA for ya. Not concerned with fellow citizens, wether they should traininjg to use guns and kinds of situations to use. To me this would be more helpful then anything I culd think of. Im trying to figure why automatic weapons used for hunting? Interesting, because I have known of hynters using rifles. I dont with to eat my spoils riddled with bullet holes from an automatic weapon. Ok enough musings. If I ranckled anyone, well, I plead first amendment. Have a nice day.
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:27 pm
“And he should not infringe my ability to do the same”
You don’t need an assault rifle w/ a 100 round magazine to accomplish that.
Common Sense
January 16th, 2013
12:27 pm
Seems everyone is really missing the point. If you read the AP article about today’s announcement, the focus is on guns. There are one or two sentences about first amendment privileges. The government wants to dictate what can be in games and in movies. I do not disagree that what is in these video games and movies should be scaled back, but that is not the government’s role to do it by simply tightening the reins on our rights. If this country had a belief system as its foundation, wouldn’t that be the funnel in which everything filtered through? If we held true to the values of that belief system, then the games would stop selling and the movies would not be attended and those issues would solve themselves.
Instead we do not want to take any personal responsibility to change our own actions. We would rather point the finger and ask the government to pass a law. We would rather stick our heads in the sand, so that we do not see that our freedom is being limited. Rather than personal responsibility, we want someone else to limit how we should live.
In the meantime, we continue to pass more laws with the audacity to believe that a criminal will all of a sudden obey the law. When the criminal does not obey the law, we reward them with a new cell, cable TV, exercise equipment, etc… Until we start to deter crime with punishment then we cannot expect things to change.
Instead of punishing criminals to deter egregious actions, we are discussing putting armed guards at every school. Really? Think about that. Does an armed guard change the actions of people that want to do wrong? People that choose to do wrong over right. I do not think so. I think it simply pushes them to a different location if it does that.
East Lake Ira
January 16th, 2013
12:27 pm
Let’s take Keith’s guns first.
George
January 16th, 2013
12:28 pm
People chill about the dam guns it was no big deal until the school shooting it is over now except for the people who lost love ones.Go buy your guns do as you please everyone does America chooses to forget what ever it wants all the time it is all about family at the end of the day.If it causes them to lose their pleasures they do not give a dam go, go Buy your GUNS.
John
January 16th, 2013
12:28 pm
Look, I’m for gun rights. I’m also for some restrictions. I don’t know why we can’t find somem iddle ground there.
Are the President’s kids more important? No. Are they more at risk? Absolutely. This is idiotic. The nra has become irrelevant but they stay on the forefront through fear mongering. I didn’t vote for Obama, but I really would be happy if he “put the nra down”. I know a president I vote for won’t have the guts.
Sorry Billy, but the nra had to go away to live at a farm. But here is a shiny, new organization to play with… the Interior Department. Oops
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/taxpayers-billed-posh-government-bathroom/nTxmd/
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
12:28 pm
Dan — “Are there any mistruths in the ad? President Obama wants more for himself than he is willing to give the rest of us.”
Uh, no. The protective duties of the Secret Service are defined and directed by law, written by Congress and signed by the President.
Here you go. Print this out and carry it with you to the restroom this afternoon.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056
Granny Godzilla
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
The President is correct.
WE must demand these actions be taken.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
“I know, I know… any reason you can conjure is good enough to keep obsessing, eh?”
I get it. You’re out of ammo. You can’t possible defend your position so you resort to ad hominen attacks. You deflect. I guess I thought you were smarter (or wiser) than that. Guess not. Believe what you will, my friend.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
Bob, if you believe you need to protect your kids with armed guards, you are welcome to send them to private schools to do so. Or you can keep them at home, home school them and stand there with your own guns in your home.
Do you put bullet proof vests on them at the grocery store? Why not? Either you care or you don’t right?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
L. Lemming — “Have a great time, JHM. I am sure you know that a happy wife leads to a happy life.”
I do! And a *young* wife keeps you young, too. I’ve got eight years on the missus myself.
Roja
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
The school that President Obama’s daughters attend already had a 9-person ARMED security fore in place long BEFORE his daughters attended. He picked a school with armed guards for his kids because he wants to protect his children just like I do. However, PUBLIC Schools are GUN-FREE ZONES unlike the school he chose.
And speaking of bullies – it is the President who said on national TV that the first persons he would choose to NOT pay if the debt ceiling were not raised is: Retirees on Social Security – even though they paid into the system for upwards of 50 tears. Now that is a bully-in chief
mgdawg
January 16th, 2013
12:30 pm
The problem with laws is this, laws effect those that follow the laws, not those who don’t follow laws. That means, the guys who are going to rob, steal, kill are going to have guns and the people getting robbed, stolen from, and killed won’t have anyway to protect themselves. I’m ok with stricter background checks, I wouldn’t even mind background checking everyone at a residence if someone is buying a gun.
I wouldn’t mind there being armed policeman in the schools, but I don’t want armed administrators or armed civilians. I think that would invite problems, policeman are trained to do what they do.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:31 pm
If you paid attention to our President’s first term, he is not change but the start of change.
Nothing radical that does not pass congress so the AR ban will fail so reagan beats him on that one.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 16th, 2013
12:32 pm
Peadawg
self defense. but a pistol or shotgun…not a freakin’ assault rifle
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I want to complement you on how far your thought process has progressed over the last few years.
Also, If gun laws are passed how do we PROVE that they stopped a massacre?
Hard to prove what didn’t happen Yanno
RB from Gwinnett
January 16th, 2013
12:32 pm
Corbin, “RB,
You had better be quiet, because they are watching you. Soon they will come for you…soon… ”
You’ll make a good little subject, Corbin. Enjoy!!
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
12:33 pm
That ad is one of the most stupid pieces of crap ever recorded. Why pick on the children of the President? There isn’t a single damned reason for that ad. If gun nuts want armed schools, then tax yourselves and pay for them. Or, how about the NRA provide that sh*t for you since they have all this new money and stuff from new members.
A private school is going to provide whatever they need to attract and maintain the students they have. Trying to compare an elite private school to every single general access public school is stupid as hell and only the dumbasses will fall for it. After reading through most of the comments on the first page and a half, it’s safe to say the dumbasses did fall for it.
It’s a simple solution, and one that does not require Congress or Obama to do a damn thing. If you want armed guards in your schools, have your local board raise your taxes to provide for them. Otherwise, quit b*tching about something you want and don’t want to pay for.
guy
January 16th, 2013
12:34 pm
barrack chavez will save us all!!!!
Tom B
January 16th, 2013
12:34 pm
Entertaining how Liberals are so against my .22 rifle that is designed to maim then they are against my 30-06 that is designed to kill. But I totally expect that the 30-06 be targeted next since we have super markets and don’t need to hunt any more.
indigo
January 16th, 2013
12:36 pm
RB – 11:26
Japan was a heavily militarized country up to and during WWII. After losing the war, guns were outlawed for civilians and only police and military were armed.
Over 65 years later, Japan still only allows the police and military to have guns. And yet, they are a democracy and have not been taken over by tyrants.
Also, Canada, France, Britan and Germany, to name a few, also have far tougher gun laws and enforcement that we do.
I don’t believe any of these countries are under the control of tyrants.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
12:36 pm
Just for you, Brosephus (in relation to our exchange yesterday):
http://v103.cbslocal.com/2013/01/14/shyne-threatens-obama-with-kanye-west-meltdown-over-chicago-murders/
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 16th, 2013
12:36 pm
DannyX
January 16th, 2013
11:30 am
Did you read James Frey’s the Final Testament of the Holy Bible? That is excactly what happened. He came back as a homeless guy and ultimately the christians got so insecure they killed him..
logicalthinker
January 16th, 2013
12:36 pm
Why would anyone object to armed security officers in our schools? When you go to the bank and see an armed guard, are you afraid or do you feel a little safer because someone is there to protect you? What about the airport, any government building, traffic police…etc. There not only should be armed security in our schools, there should be metal detectors at every entrance and a security system that covers windows that are broken, just like you would have in your home.
It’s silly to think if we just take away all the guns (from law abiding citizens) but do nothing to secure our schools or any other facility, that we will be safe.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
12:37 pm
tom,
Those 20 kids were not maimed, they were slaughtered.
Paul
January 16th, 2013
12:37 pm
Towncrier 12:30
“I get it. You’re out of ammo. You can’t possible defend your position so you resort to ad hominen attacks. You deflect. I guess I thought you were smarter (or wiser) than that. Guess not. Believe what you will, my friend.”
http://tinyurl.com/aaydeu5
indigo
January 16th, 2013
12:37 pm
Paranoia is a serious mental illness.
The NRA has succeeded in allowing more and more of the paranoid to define American gun ownership.
The inmates are slowly but surely taking over the asylum.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 16th, 2013
12:38 pm
ARM ALL THE CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS TO KEEP THEM SAFE
Roja
January 16th, 2013
12:38 pm
Hey Kieth, I am NOT a Republican hillbilly, low education voter types, who are easily fooled by the NRA ( Gun Industry ) can drag their heels.
I am a college educated DEMOCRAT Obama voter who knows a sham when I smelll one. 6 children are killed EVERY DAY in this country in Auto Accidents. FOUR of thos SIX are victims of alcohol impaired drivers – NOT guns.
What is he doing parading children up on stage to tout gun control when EVERY FIVE DAYS drunk drivers kill the same number of children that were killed at Sandy Ridge???
Drunk drivers kill SEVENTY-FIVE times MORE kids every year than the mental case in Connecticut did!!! Instead of limiting the number of bullets in a magazine, he needs to limit the number of beers a person can buy at a time and the quantity of alcohol a person can buy at a time in a liquor bottle. And while he’s at it, if we want to keep felons from owning guns, keep them in prison.
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:38 pm
“I want to complement you on how far your thought process has progressed over the last few years.”
My sister-in-law saws that “that darn liberal college UGA has brainwashed me”. She’s a bible-thumper.
Peadawg
January 16th, 2013
12:38 pm
says*
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
12:39 pm
“That ad is one of the most stupid pieces of crap ever recorded. Why pick on the children of the President? There isn’t a single damned reason for that ad.”
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.