Obama’s gun-safety agenda a great place to start debate
The list of legislative proposals and executive actions outlined by President Obama is, as he promised, wide-ranging and ambitious.
Among other things, it includes a proposal to put as many as 1,000 federally funded, armed police officers in schools; boost the identification and treatment of the mentally ill; and fund research through the Centers for Disease Control into possible links between “media images, video games and violence.”
Each of the above steps endorsed by Obama has also been advocated by the National Rifle Association and other conservative groups. However, as the president noted, this is a problem too profound and complicated to be addressed successfully by such policies alone.
The most controversial and ambitious proposal is the banning of assault weapons. The gun lobby points out that under the president’s proposal, other weapons possessing similar firepower would not be banned, raising questions about the motivation and effectiveness of such a ban.
However, assault weapons have a well-documented emotional appeal to those most likely to engage in mass killings such as those at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It is clearly their weapon of choice, perhaps because features that the gun lobby dismisses as mere cosmetic in fact give such weapons a military authority and aura that feed into deadly fantasies. We are under no obligation to continue to pander to such fantasies.
Other proposed changes are straightforward reforms that would not be controversial in a more rational environment. Since 2006, for example, the Senate has refused to confirm any nominee — by Republican or Democratic president — as director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. It has nothing to do with those nominated, and everything to do with the fact that the NRA hates the agency and wants to do anything possible to cripple it. That type of death grip on policy making has to end.
The president also proposes to make background checks mandatory for all gun sales, whether conducted by a licensed firearms dealer or by a private citizen. As an administration official told The Washington Post, “The best analogy that experts talked to us about in our meetings is that it wouldn’t make any sense at the airports to have two lanes — one where if you go to a licensed dealer you go through the metal detector and if you go to a private sale there’s no metal detector at all. This is an attempt to get everybody through the system.”
There’s no rational argument, other than convenience, to be offered against such a proposal, and on deadly matters such as this, convenience is not a valid objection. The proposal will reportedly include “limited, common-sense exceptions for cases like certain transfers between family members and temporary transfers for hunting and sporting purposes.”
Even after passage of such a law, some people will of course continue to sell weapons on the black market, without background checks. But those people would then be criminals, and if it is later determined that they sold a gun to a known criminal who used it in a crime, they should share responsibility for that crime. There is no Second Amendment argument to be raised on such an issue.
The proposal also includes a ban on the sale of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Interestingly, whenever that approach is mentioned I hear two separate arguments against it:
– Banning magazines larger than 10 rounds would make gun owners less able to defend themselves against multiple attackers, because they would be forced to reload more often.
– Banning magazines larger than 10 rounds would do nothing to slow down those intent on mass murder, because it takes no time at all to exchange clips.
I don’t think it’s necessary to resolve the inherent conflict between those claims, because it is already clear that those who set off on mass murder sprees have already made their choice. As the White House notes, “the shooters at Virginia Tech, Tucson, Aurora, Oak Creek, and Newtown all used magazines holding more than 10 rounds.”
If the murderers believe such magazines are useful, then we ought to try to deny them that equipment.
The administration also proposes to get serious about gun trafficking, in which legal gun purchasers buy large numbers of weapons for later private sale to criminals. Amazingly, “there is no explicit law against straw purchasing, so straw purchasers and others who traffic guns can often only be prosecuted for paperwork violations,” the White House report states. The gun industry, and thus the gun lobby, will no doubt oppose that change because it would be bad for sales. Again, that is not an objection worthy of consideration under these circumstances.
In the weeks to come, the objection to such basic, common-sense reforms is likely to consist of heated, repeated cries of “Second Amendment!” and “tyrant!”, “Hitler” and variations thereof. That’s because, when addressed individually and on their merits, there are few rational arguments against such steps. Those who oppose the reforms must therefore attempt to shift the debate to the irrational, a battlefield on which they have the advantage by virture of more experience and firepower.
– Jay Bookman
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td
January 16th, 2013
11:24 pm
Everyone should go and watch Marco Rubio on the O’Reily tonight. I could accept most of his gun measures and definitely like what he is saying about immigration reform.
keith
January 16th, 2013
11:32 pm
So how many of you people supporting gun control have GUN FREE ZONE signs in front of your homes? Tell the world how you feel with a huge yard sign so all of your neighbors will know how you feel about guns.
Im sure many of you already have such signs in front of your homes already. SHOW OF HANDS. Anyone????
Jackie
January 16th, 2013
11:53 pm
@RB
Sorry that I was not around to point out a place where the US Constitution states explicitly that all rights not given to the people belong to the Federal government. It is called the Bill of Rights, which are the first 10 amendments to the Constitution.
http://myloc.gov/Exhibitions/creatingtheus/BillofRights/Pages/default.aspx
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
11:54 pm
If I have to clear a room I would pick a 12 guage pump (#8 buck) over an AR-15 any day of the week.
Most of you people on here don’t have a clue.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
11:55 pm
rubio sounded like a lib.
BO is a blowhard.
Anyhoo, how about a book of outrageous things cons say.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
11:57 pm
Clear a room scout?
Just fart.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 16th, 2013
11:58 pm
P.S. “Sawed-off” pump.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 17th, 2013
12:04 am
Speaking of having a clue, what/where is #8 buck? That’s a new one on me
getalife
January 17th, 2013
12:07 am
Double barrel.
We made the shells.
The Thin Guy
January 17th, 2013
12:09 am
Couldn’t care less about gun control. I want liberal control. Liberals are running my life, my country, and world. They are taking away my health care, destroying my personal finances, and will force me to move to a cave and there’s a shortage of caves. The EPA is closing coal fired electrical generating plants. This will mean in the future that only the ruling class and The Bums, the backbone of liberal support, will have electricity. No electricity means no lights, air conditioning, no electronic communication, no internet, etc. Please SETI; find a planet with no liberals so I can move there.
getalife
January 17th, 2013
12:13 am
You have liberal derangement syndrome.
You need Lithium. Asap.
Morality?
January 17th, 2013
12:20 am
We don’t need Fed funded armed guards in state run schools. Nip this encroachment on state’s rights by Obama in the bud!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 17th, 2013
12:22 am
getalife:
As I said, you have no clue.
getalife
January 17th, 2013
12:28 am
scout,
Sure I do.
Then we decided to make bombs.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 17th, 2013
12:28 am
MeetinInTheMiddle:
I apologize, I meant to say 00 (”double-aught”) ……… the standard law enforcement/military buckshot load (for a 12 guage) to be used against personnel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun_shell
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
January 17th, 2013
12:29 am
TAPS !
Half Century Dawg
January 17th, 2013
5:46 am
I hope this helps, but I have my doubts that it will have any effect at all. I think it is mostly political theater.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
5:49 am
Jay:
The allegation of a 43-minute lag between initial 911 call and response is false. According to the timeline put together by the local paper from dispatcher responses, 18 minutes after the initial call, “Newtown’s reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.”
I had spent a good bit of time trying to verify that. When I googled “Newtown CT timeline” I got hundreds of hits and I slogged through many of them. All the timelines I found one, except for one were from news agencies touting their timeline of reporting, or contained sketchy information.
USA Today reports here: (http://www.usatoday.com/story/home/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-timeline/1771625/) that the shooting was reported at 9:40AM and police entered the building at 10:23AM. As far as I could find, they have not printed a correction.
I read a statement from the police that stated Newtown Police were on the scene and waited for the arrival of the State Police and upon arrival of the State Police, immediately entered the building. Their omission of any specific times in the statement was interesting because they gave specific times about other events of the day.
Bro: I was not intending to be critical of the response time. Just saying that if the shooter had 43 minutes to do whatever he wanted to, high capacity magazine was not a factor.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
5:55 am
mornin’
Not to mention there’s that pesky New Year’s resolution.
Note to self: ask Josef just what that NY resolution was all about, since I can’t quite grasp it from the context.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
5:59 am
If I have to clear a room I would pick a 12 guage pump (#8 buck)
That’s the kind of buckshot you use on those teacup-sized winged deer, I guess.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
6:01 am
(and yes, I saw Scout’s correction. And wonder how many of the “he said 57 states! can you believe how stupid he is?” folks are willing to let slide a guy who confused a double-0 with a flippin’ 8, when a bit fatigued.)
JamVet
January 17th, 2013
6:16 am
Liberals are running my life,,,
In my best Mr. Burns voice, :Exxxxxcellent!”
I love it when a plan comes together…
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
6:19 am
Found this:
9:35:53 a.m. – Dispatch: “Sandy Hook School, Caller’s indicated she thinks someone is shooting in the building.”
9:36:15: “The individual I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gun shots.”
9:38:10: “The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lock down.”
9:38:50: “We’ll stage up the SWAT and go from there.”
9:39:05: “Reports that teachers saw two shadows running, past the building, past the gym.”
9:39:20: “Yeah, we got ‘em. Their coming at me.”
9:40 a.m. “You’ll need two ambulances.”
9:40:30: “Shooter’s apparently still shooting in office area. Dickerson Drive.”
9:40:55: “Troop 8 personnel, take Exit 10, left on 34, turn on Riverside Drive. Make sure you have your vests on.”
9;43:45: “We have one female in Room 1 who has gunshot wound to the foot.”
9:46:20: “We’ve got an injured person in Room 9 with numerous gunshot wounds.”
9:49:05: “Negative on description. Shots were fired about three minutes ago.”
9:53:25: “Newtown’s reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.”
9:55:25: “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun”
9:57:25: “Any plain clothes responding, make sure you have your raid gear on, your raid gear on.”
10:00:15: “Ask the custodian, get a team up on the roof and clear the roof.”
Still does not clearly say when police entered the building. The 9:53:25 is apparently the dispatcher relaying what Newtown police have reported.
But then the next statement says “One rifle and a shotgun”. ???
The shotgun was reportedly recovered from Lazio’s car in the parking lot. I wouldn’t think the first thing they did was go to the guy’s car and popped the trunk,
At 9:57 dispatch advises responders to don raid gear.
I still wonder where USA got their timeline information. The dispatch transcript seems to understandably only reveal a lot of confusion.
Jack ®
January 17th, 2013
6:48 am
Ban video game violence and then talk about banning guns. Ban Hollywood pimps from selling sex to our children and then talk about banning guns.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 17th, 2013
7:06 am
Good morning to all y’all….
Luckovich hit on the head today…
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/
Georgia
January 17th, 2013
7:16 am
The NRA’s supporters are saying that the Sandy Hook massacre was a staged hoax and a conspiracy to get our guns. No shooting. No deaths. Just the drive by media making stuff up to get all of our guns. Obama’s fault. etc.
Granny Godzilla
January 17th, 2013
7:36 am
OH AND BY THE WAY
The liars at the NRA got it wrong.
This is based on the fact that the online directory for Sidwell Friends lists 11 people as working in the Security Department. Five are listed as “special police officer,” while two are listed as “on call special police officer,” which presumably means they do not work full-time. The directory also lists two weekend shift supervisors, one security officer and the chief of security.
Under the District of Columbia General Order 308.7, a special police officer is a private commissioned police officer with arrest powers in the area that he or she protects. They may also be authorized to bear firearms — but it is not required. Security officers, by contrast, cannot carry firearms and in effect are watchman. So five to seven security personnel in theory could be licensed to carry firearms.
But we spoke to parents who said they had never seen a guard on campus with a weapon. And Ellis Turner, associate head of Sidwell Friends, told us emphatically: “Sidwell Friends security officers do not carry guns.”
Sidwell Friends, by the way, has two distinct campuses, a lower school in Bethesda and a middle and upper schools in Washington. So given shift rotations and three different schools, it appears that the 11 “armed guards” is really just one or two unarmed guards per school at a time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-a-slashing-nra-ad-on-security-at-sidwell-friends-school/2013/01/16/95b2127a-6032-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_blog.html
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armed quakers did sound kind of whacko…..
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
7:39 am
Luckovich hit on the head today…
Look at the rightmost “child.”
What’s pathetic is, it’s not really all that much cash. The NRA’s contribution to Congressional corruption is a pittance compared to the big players like wall st., pharma, etc.
I can only conclude the following: We have cowardly “representatives” who aren’t interested in actually representing their constituents (who have made it plenty clear they want comprehensive regulation reform and an overhaul of our anything-goes national attitude toward firearms ownership), who cower in fear of an organization that basically couldn’t get any of its own guys elected in 2012.
These “representatives,” they’re not only greedy, they’re stupid.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
7:43 am
Way to go WashPo. Now every nut knows how lax security is at Sidwell School.
Granny Godzilla
January 17th, 2013
7:46 am
godless heathen
all anybody had to do was call and ask
I went to their website.
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What makes the elephant charge his tusk in the misty mist, or the dusky dusk? What makes the muskrat guard his musk? Courage!
- The Cowardly Lion
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
7:47 am
Way to go WashPo.
Really? THAT’s who you’re blaming for the increased attention on Sidwell’s security?
You don’t think the Wayne LePew Original Gangstaz might’ve had something to do with that?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 17th, 2013
7:49 am
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/03/3763222/school-guards.html
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 17th, 2013
7:50 am
Check this out…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show#50489570
Call It Like It Is
January 17th, 2013
7:50 am
You know just forget the fluff and stick with the mental part of it. Banning assault weapons which we did before has -0- effect on crime. Not from me, from the FBI. Assault weapons are used in less than 2% of all crimes, again not from me from the FBI. Stick with the original question, why is it happening, why is it happening so much now? Love the CDC plan. As far as background checks, who cares, Ga has been doing this for years and years, nothing new here, maybe the rest of the nation should catch up with us.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
7:51 am
The NRA’s supportersSome conspiracy nuts are saying that the Sandy Hook massacre was a staged hoax and a conspiracy to get our guns. No shooting. No deaths. Just the drive by media making stuff up to get all of our guns. Obama’s fault. etc.Joel Edge
January 17th, 2013
7:51 am
“However, assault weapons have a well-documented emotional appeal to those most likely to engage in mass killings such as those at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It is clearly their weapon of choice, perhaps because features that the gun lobby dismisses as mere cosmetic in fact give such weapons a military authority and aura that feed into deadly fantasies. We are under no obligation to continue to pander to such fantasies.”
Thank you, Mr. Bookman for that mocking little paragraph. Me and millions of veterans who have carried military style weapons and that prefer that style because of those very qualities, will take note. We might have to reconsider our fantasy that all Americans are worth defending.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
7:54 am
Stands: Well the NRA said they were heavily guarded. WashPo let everyone know they was only a couple of renta-cops hanging around that probably aren’t armed. I would have assumed the former was correct but thankfully the Wash Po set the record straight.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
7:56 am
Godless, I will back you up on your “correction”/’typo fix” @ 7.51.
I’ve said this before, and recently–I think the rhetorical dodge of claiming “Group X [plural] does this” is dishonest and the sort of straw-man crap I hate from Rush (and, sometimes, guys/gals on the left with airtime to fill, as well.)
If Gale has specific examples of the NRA’s supporters to cite, Gale should do so and place that complaint in context. It’s not too much to ask.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
7:57 am
WashPo let everyone know they was only a couple of renta-cops hanging around that probably aren’t armed.
I think that account leaves out the SS detail that’d be watching the President’s kids like the proverbial hawk, don’t you?
appleseed
January 17th, 2013
7:57 am
Towncrier being first,kind of like GA. being first in bank failures.
Jay
January 17th, 2013
8:00 am
You go right ahead and “reconsider”, Mr. Edge. I’m sure that I’ll manage to persevere whatever your decision might be.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
8:02 am
Me and millions of veterans who have carried military style weapons and that prefer that style because of those very qualities, will take note.
Really? “Millions” of veterans *continue* to tote these types of weapons in their homes, because they’re just so gosh-darn stylish?
Do provide a cite for that, will you?
appleseed
January 17th, 2013
8:03 am
#8 buck,who does not have a clue?
independent thinker
January 17th, 2013
8:03 am
Think the NRA is wacko and a promoter of gun trafficking and violence? Try the NSSF-currently hosting a members only gunfest in Las Vegas:
“”"”"”"”"”"Citizens, exercise their Constitutional right to own, use and enjoy firearms safely and responsibly for lawful purposes,” said the leader of the NSSF, the show’s owner and organizer. Sanetti takes center stage the first day of SHOT Show, when he delivers his address at the NSSF State of the Industry Dinner in front of 2,000 attendees.
“Hunting and the recreational shooting sports are here to stay and so are we,” he said.
“A prerequisite to any dialogue involving our industry and its products is an honest recognition of the legitimacy of what we do and the important part of the national culture which we represent,” he said.
“Firearms ownership is popular and mainstream,” said Sanetti. “Industry is developing new products for women and competition shooters, hunters, people who are interested in concealed carry, and law enforcement, all as a result of consumer demand,” he said.
The show, held this year at the Sands Expo and Convention Center, is the largest trade show of its kind in the world and provides a first look at new products and services used for target shooting, hunting, outdoor and law enforcement purposes, said Bill Brassard Jr., spokesman for the NSSF.
Although the show is closed to the public, there will be credentialed industry professionals there from from all 50 states and more than 100 countries, he said.”"”"
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/01/14/nssf-host-las-vegas-shot-show-as-nation-debates-gun-rights/
Hometown of NSSF- sweet idyllic Newtown Connecticut
TaxPayer
January 17th, 2013
8:04 am
I see Scout has a new groupie, Joel.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
8:04 am
I think that account leaves out the SS detail that’d be watching the President’s kids like the proverbial hawk, don’t you?
I’m sure.
Granny Godzilla
January 17th, 2013
8:08 am
Joel Edge
Thank you for your service. You know that service where you were paid and given generous benefits for to carry assault weapons in service to your country.
If you are now discharged I would recommend you quit playing army.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
8:08 am
Godless, I will back you up on your “correction”/’typo fix” @ 7.51.
Not saying they are mutually exclusive, because there are undoubtably some conspiracy nuts who happen to be NRA supporters.
Granny Godzilla
January 17th, 2013
8:08 am
for to?
geez.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
8:09 am
#8 buck,who does not have a clue?
now now–he did correct it a few minutes later.
I just wish those who continue to pile on Obama for mistakenly saying “57″ instead of “47″, nearly five years later (I was reading variations of that wisecrack just yesterday in response to something I’d posted) might take that minor flub as a teachable moment. But I am not holding my breath.
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
8:11 am
independent thinker (sic)
Point out one “whacko” word or statement in the NSSF statement.
Aquagirl
January 17th, 2013
8:11 am
If Gale has specific examples of the NRA’s supporters to cite, Gale should do so and place that complaint in context. It’s not too much to ask
Why? The Hookers (kudos to whoever came up with that name for the conspiracy nuts) are following a premise widely promulgated by the mainstream NRA—the government will stop at nothing to TAKE YER GUNS. The Hookers will not listen to Gale or any other perceived “gun-grabber.” The NRA does not get to throw their crazy out there and then disavow any resulting lunacy.
We saw this with Birthers—the Republicans did the wink wink nod nod crap with them because Birthers were easily controlled and a reliable voting group.
The NRA created this mess, they can damn well either clean it up or sit in it and acquire the secondhand stink. The ball is in their court.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
8:11 am
Not saying they are mutually exclusive
Sure. I just want to ban the practice of “Conservatives do this!” or “liberals do that!” when, at best, the person making the claim will be hard pressed to cite more than (say) two who actually do this or that.
(Ok, I can’t ban it. It’d be unconstitutional. Maybe a straw-man buy-back program?)
Cherokee
January 17th, 2013
8:13 am
They’ll never git it up Stands – I still see the TelePromptr jokes all the time, even though that’s been debunked many times.
Many of them are like that kid in 6th grade – who had no friends – who latched on to something they thought was funny and drove it into the ground…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 17th, 2013
8:14 am
We might have to reconsider our fantasy that all Americans are worth defending
Ahhh the free rider problem surfaces again!
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
8:17 am
Why? The Hookers…
I’ll tell you why. (And mind you, I’m a guy who heartily approves of the Rude Pundit, whose slogan is “Proudly lowering the level of political discourse”. I am all for fighting fire with fire. To quote the Clash’s Mick Jones: “And if I get aggression, I give it two times back!”)
But when you lower yourself to the point where you’re just tossing straw men out there, when you’re deliberately making it sound like the NRA is responsible for Hookerism, and you don’t have anything to back it up? You’re just providing ammo to the other side.
IMHO, ymmv, etc., bbq.
But at the end of the day, Wayne LePew is plenty vulnerable based on the documented evidence. I’d prefer to stick to that.
stands for decibels
January 17th, 2013
8:20 am
well dayum. One of my better rants has been dead-threaded by well regulated SHEETZ.
Aquagirl
January 17th, 2013
8:22 am
One of my better rants has been dead-threaded by well regulated SHEETZ.
Then I declare myself winner by default. MWAHAHAHA!!!!
indigo
January 17th, 2013
8:23 am
Canada, Japan, Britan, France and Germany, to name a few, all have far fewer guns and much stricter gun laws and enforcment than we.
Why haven’t the Govts. of these countries, now that the citizens are essentially disarmed, taking over and imposing dictatorships?
After all, isn’t that what you gun nuts fear will happen here if gun ownership is severly restricted?
DownInAlbany
January 17th, 2013
8:23 am
Granny Godzilla
January 17th, 2013
8:08 am
Joel Edge
You know that service where you were paid and given generous benefits
Not intended to be a factual statement (at least the generous benefits part)
godless heathen
January 17th, 2013
8:25 am
I watched the “Hooker” video. Typical of conspiracy minded folks they latch onto inconsistencies in media reports as evidence of some sinister acts. That said I do look forward to reading a full accounting of the day’s events so some questions can be answered.
such as:
Was the father of a slain little girl really laughing at the presser on the day after his daughter was murdered?
Who was the poor guy that got drug out of the woods, placed in handcuffs and placed in the front seat of a police car? I always figured it was hunter that was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’d like to hear his story.
Why was the medical examiner so giddy during his presser? Was he on drugs, or is he just a goofy f**k?
dbm
January 17th, 2013
8:25 am
Jackie
January 16th, 2013
11:53 pm
I see that the first page of your link has nothing about the text of the Bill of Rights, and it’s hard to tell if any of the other pages do. If you would look at the actual text of the Bill of Rights, you would see you have it backwards.
Not Blind
January 17th, 2013
8:30 am
Spend that “$500M” on prisons and incarceration and you could make a dent in the homicide stats. Spending “$500M” harassing the law abiding will make NO dent in the homicide rate. I put the $500m in quotes because only a fool will think the costs won’t run several times that amount. Just ask the Canadians how their recently repealed gun control scheme worked.
straitroad
January 17th, 2013
8:43 am
I would have more respect for obama if he simply came out and told the truth, that he doesn’t believe in 2nd amendment rights. All of this is just for show.
dbm
January 17th, 2013
8:44 am
Joel Edge
January 17th, 2013
7:51 am
Do you have deadly fantasies that might turn into reality? If the answer is “no”, Jay wasn’t talking about you. If the answer is “yes”, you don’t need to own any gun, especially not one that would feed into those fantasies.
The Thin Guy
January 17th, 2013
10:12 am
Where was Bookman when King George needed him?
Vladimir
January 17th, 2013
9:20 pm
Dr. Susan Gratia before House subcommittee on guns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awjxvMRdF-U
Gun Control in Australia – Watch and Weep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA
When a country takes away guns from its citizens it’s in big trouble as they are finding out in Australia.
Roy from Troy
January 19th, 2013
9:40 am
Let me see now … we can’t pay elementary or high school teachers what they are worth, we have to have furlough days to meet school budgets, we can’t build new schools or renovate existing schools because we don’t have the money and the federal government is $16+++ TRILLION in debt.
And we want to put a good gunman in every school in the country. And who is going to pay for that???