Obama’s gun-safety agenda a great place to start debate
The list of legislative proposals and executive actions outlined by President Obama is, as he promised, wide-ranging and ambitious.
Among other things, it includes a proposal to put as many as 1,000 federally funded, armed police officers in schools; boost the identification and treatment of the mentally ill; and fund research through the Centers for Disease Control into possible links between “media images, video games and violence.”
Each of the above steps endorsed by Obama has also been advocated by the National Rifle Association and other conservative groups. However, as the president noted, this is a problem too profound and complicated to be addressed successfully by such policies alone.
The most controversial and ambitious proposal is the banning of assault weapons. The gun lobby points out that under the president’s proposal, other weapons possessing similar firepower would not be banned, raising questions about the motivation and effectiveness of such a ban.
However, assault weapons have a well-documented emotional appeal to those most likely to engage in mass killings such as those at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It is clearly their weapon of choice, perhaps because features that the gun lobby dismisses as mere cosmetic in fact give such weapons a military authority and aura that feed into deadly fantasies. We are under no obligation to continue to pander to such fantasies.
Other proposed changes are straightforward reforms that would not be controversial in a more rational environment. Since 2006, for example, the Senate has refused to confirm any nominee — by Republican or Democratic president — as director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. It has nothing to do with those nominated, and everything to do with the fact that the NRA hates the agency and wants to do anything possible to cripple it. That type of death grip on policy making has to end.
The president also proposes to make background checks mandatory for all gun sales, whether conducted by a licensed firearms dealer or by a private citizen. As an administration official told The Washington Post, “The best analogy that experts talked to us about in our meetings is that it wouldn’t make any sense at the airports to have two lanes — one where if you go to a licensed dealer you go through the metal detector and if you go to a private sale there’s no metal detector at all. This is an attempt to get everybody through the system.”
There’s no rational argument, other than convenience, to be offered against such a proposal, and on deadly matters such as this, convenience is not a valid objection. The proposal will reportedly include “limited, common-sense exceptions for cases like certain transfers between family members and temporary transfers for hunting and sporting purposes.”
Even after passage of such a law, some people will of course continue to sell weapons on the black market, without background checks. But those people would then be criminals, and if it is later determined that they sold a gun to a known criminal who used it in a crime, they should share responsibility for that crime. There is no Second Amendment argument to be raised on such an issue.
The proposal also includes a ban on the sale of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Interestingly, whenever that approach is mentioned I hear two separate arguments against it:
– Banning magazines larger than 10 rounds would make gun owners less able to defend themselves against multiple attackers, because they would be forced to reload more often.
– Banning magazines larger than 10 rounds would do nothing to slow down those intent on mass murder, because it takes no time at all to exchange clips.
I don’t think it’s necessary to resolve the inherent conflict between those claims, because it is already clear that those who set off on mass murder sprees have already made their choice. As the White House notes, “the shooters at Virginia Tech, Tucson, Aurora, Oak Creek, and Newtown all used magazines holding more than 10 rounds.”
If the murderers believe such magazines are useful, then we ought to try to deny them that equipment.
The administration also proposes to get serious about gun trafficking, in which legal gun purchasers buy large numbers of weapons for later private sale to criminals. Amazingly, “there is no explicit law against straw purchasing, so straw purchasers and others who traffic guns can often only be prosecuted for paperwork violations,” the White House report states. The gun industry, and thus the gun lobby, will no doubt oppose that change because it would be bad for sales. Again, that is not an objection worthy of consideration under these circumstances.
In the weeks to come, the objection to such basic, common-sense reforms is likely to consist of heated, repeated cries of “Second Amendment!” and “tyrant!”, “Hitler” and variations thereof. That’s because, when addressed individually and on their merits, there are few rational arguments against such steps. Those who oppose the reforms must therefore attempt to shift the debate to the irrational, a battlefield on which they have the advantage by virture of more experience and firepower.
– Jay Bookman
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rightwingextreme
January 16th, 2013
4:56 pm
Doggone/GA
January 16th, 2013
4:51 pm
“The USA at the Federal level is not a democracy….we are a Constitutional Republic”
Wrong…it’s ALWAYS wrong. We are a Constitutional DEMOCRATIC Repulic. As opposed to , for instance, a Communist Republic.
The United States of America (USA), commonly called the United States (US or U.S.) and America, is a federal constitutional republic consisting of fifty states and a federal district.
Now I see the problem….we don’t even know what kind of government we have.
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
4:57 pm
“Wrong…it’s ALWAYS wrong. We are a Constitutional DEMOCRATIC Repu[b]lic.”
Wrong . . . we are a corporate-controlled fascist country with war as its major industry.
ATL Tiger
January 16th, 2013
4:57 pm
“Shotgun or muzzleloader, I have no problem with. It’s the assault rifles with 100 round magazine that I think is overkill and un-called-for.”
Okay, but the fact of the matter is that the handguns with rounds of 5-17 (depending on the handgun) are the firearms responible for 50% of all murders while rifles account for 2.6%
Jay
January 16th, 2013
4:57 pm
I wish these people who make the absurd “we’re not a democracy” statement would go to this site — http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/search/speeches/speech_srch.html — and search to see how many times Ronald Reagan referred to this country as a democracy.
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
“Other parts of the agenda have a better chance of passage; we’ll have to see.”
Jay, beyond banning what’s inaccurately referred to as assault weapons and high capacity magazines what are the other parts of the agenda?
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
, the White House is making all this noise about gun control in order to throw out the second amendment so that only the criminals will have guns
Well, if there are no guns, (because the white house made everyone throw them out), then where will the criminals GET their guns?
Triple duh!
Jerome Horwitz
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
Stevie Ray – A Discount Double Pump? Discount Double Click?
Thomas
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
http://www.advisorone.com/2013/01/16/irs-says-44-cut-in-tax-rates-ok-with-us?utm_source=dailywire11613&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_campaign=dailywire&t=economy-markets
Someone said the other day “the WH/govt can walk and chew gum”. Then let’s do it- gun reform- immigration reform- tax reform- let’s run and chew
Lastly I would say reform the HC reform which is already a botch of bureaucracy but don’t want to stir up the leftist
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
I think this new age, insane discounting of our democracy strikes right at the very dark heart of the Republican disease – government of the people, by the people and for the people.
They have no use for that anymore. Wall Street and not Washington is the new epicenter of American sovereignty.
After all, the government is the problem! As advocated by that addled old fool, Ronald Reagan.
And Uncle Sam must be drowned in a bathtub.
The criminals in the “free market” (LOL!) simply cannot have him looking over their shoulders and making them adhere to the old fashioned laws of the land.
And the anti-American bent of the counterfeit conservative has merely escalated over the past three decades to the point where they are no longer even ashamed of writing this country off.
Just ask old Andy Sinkwich…
In the middle
January 16th, 2013
4:58 pm
You mean it is irrational to think it is wrong to turn doctors into police informants.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
4:59 pm
Can anyone tell me why insurance companies don’t offer discounts for gun owners?
Good question.
I mean if guns make you soooo much safer.
Why dont they ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
4:59 pm
Obama/Holder–ordered gun trafficking schemes known as *Fast and Furious*…
2006 gunwalking Operation Wide Receiver says, “What?”
td
January 16th, 2013
5:00 pm
Jay
January 16th, 2013
4:47 pm
td, as a practical matter you’re probably right, at least about the assault weapon ban, but sometimes it’s important to try even knowing that you’ll fail … THIS time. Change doesn’t happen overnight.
Other parts of the agenda have a better chance of passage; we’ll have to see.
And the NRA and house republicans will make sure they are all tied together in one bill and go the Senate first to get those red state Senators on the record. I seriously doubt if Reid will even bring up a bill with any gun bans attached because he does not want to lose control of the Senate.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:00 pm
*did we just kill a kid*
Many Iraqi children died.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:00 pm
cons spewing hypocrisy is hilarious
GT
January 16th, 2013
5:01 pm
It is something about the right ,as dumb as they are, that manifest into this imperial being telling the rest of us how we should live. They do not want government interference yet they want a ton of private interference into other citizens lives. Every minority should take note and cloister their forces into small districts of strength, elect representative from those districts and tell the country if we don’t have gay marriage or legal drug sales or citizen status for illegals we are going to hold hostage the livelihood and well being of this country until we have our way.
rightwingextreme
January 16th, 2013
5:01 pm
Jay
January 16th, 2013
4:51 pm
Romantacize with George Washington then. He said it, not me.”
No, he did not say it. You did.
Washington would never say anything that ludicrous. Look it up. You’re using a bogus quote to defend a bogus position.
Jay….can you prove his statement is wrong?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
Aquagirl — “please take your point to the Scared Menz Support Group and share.”
SCENE: Deep in the woods, around a campfire. Paunchy, pasty, balding middle-aged white d00dz are stripped to the waist and have feather headdresses and face paint on. A set of bongo drums is passed around to each participant who wishes to speak
d00d #1: THUNK THUNK THUNK THUNK Hey, that’s kinda cool.
d00d #2 THUNK THUNK I miss my ex-wife. (sniff sniff)
d00d #3 THUNK THUNK THUNK FATHER, WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME? (bawls like a child)
d00d #4 THUNK Gunz turn meh ON.
And . . . scene.
Kinda like that, Debbie?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
. . . we are a corporate-controlled fascist country with war as its major industry.
Probably closest to the truth.
Jerome Horwitz
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
Kam Man U 1-0. Mr. Potato Head skied a PK.
Country Before Party
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
JHP….
Stupid was the price he was asking for a USED rifle. I went to a local store and purchased a very nice NEW bolt action rifle for much less.
Georgia
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
I think the Hitler analogy is germane. There’s such a furor over Obama’s proposal.
indigo
January 16th, 2013
5:02 pm
rightwingextreme
Thousands of women have spontaneous abortions(miscarrages) every week.
Who is responsible for these “murders”?
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
5:03 pm
@ Cheesy grits
Once again making blanket statements with no evidence whatsoever to back them up. Please show me ANY evidence supporting your claim that you are safer unarmed facing a home intruder than you are armed.
I think you might be confusing the statistic that a gun in the household is more likely to cause harm to a member of the household than an intruder. Entirely different ideas. Just because idiots shoot themselves all the time because they don’t know how to handle a gun doesn’t mean I am more likely to survive a home invasion without the 12 gauge underneath my bed than I am with it. Your odds are waaaaay off.
resno2
January 16th, 2013
5:03 pm
So Jay, Reagan saying something over and over again makes it true? If that’s the case when can we expect everyone to start paying their fair share?
Victor Midtown
January 16th, 2013
5:03 pm
Write all the laws you want but unless the government has the commitment to enforce them, it’s a wasted exercise. We have scads of gun laws, carrying w/o a permit, possession by a convicted felon, the use of a weapon during commission of a crime, even simple brandishing – but we won’t enforce them. This is a feel-good exercize for those who would rather take pot shots at the NRA than come to grips with our culture of violence.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:03 pm
td,
The AR ban will never reach a vote in the Senate unless they change the filibuster rule.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
towncrier,
Your porn analogy fails because we do ban child pornography. If you are found having it, you get into quite a bit of trouble and are tagged for life for it
Just ask Peter Mallory of LaGrange Georgia.
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2012/02/09/6110756.htm
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
Definition of DEMOCRACY
1
a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority
b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
rightwingextreme, your inability to admit that this country is the very bastion of democracy is terribly sad.
Good luck in your parallel reality, though!
DannyX
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
Did someone mention the liberal anti-Christ Ronald Reagan?
Supporter of strong gun control
Gave amnesty to millions of Mexicans
Strengthened the hated Earned Income Credit
Tripled the deficit
Raised taxes
Expanded Medicare
Claimed we are a democracy
Product of Hollywood
Noah Webster
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
“See the difference, professor?”
I am sorry, but I don’t. You apparently missed the point of my post (that people have changed the meaning of words throughout history and sometimes even “hijack” – if a lexicographer such as myself may use some poetic license, he he – words for their own purposes, like homosexuals did with the word “gay”) and so your response is a non sequitur.
Aquagirl
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
cons spewing hypocrisy is hilarious
It’s pretty hilarious until you realize these people prone to illogical thought have guns and are absolutely sure they need to use them on somebody, dammit. Then it’s like seeing a 3rd grader behind the wheel of a semi.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
“You want to know what comes between me and my Calvins? Nothing.”
– George Washington
….can you prove his statement is wrong?
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
January 16th, 2013
5:05 pm
Wrong . . . we are a corporate-controlled fascist country with war as its major industry.
Oooooo Good one Sooth!
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DogGone — why bother? It seems that we have an inordinate amount of Constitutional Lawyers on this blog who, having studied constitutuional law for years, have an insight that other lawyers just can’t see!
It’s a waste of time and your sanity, to keep talking to people who get their information from Briebart.com and Fox News.
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Well, I’m out Ladies and gents. And I wish to leave the Conned with this message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArSLNJNUEIM&feature=related
Enjoy.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 16th, 2013
5:06 pm
JAY
I came across this line from an article from gun guy but it is thought provoking…
It may be satisfying to “do something.” But two things ought to be kept in mind. First, liberty is never more in peril than when politicians sense that the people want them to do something — anything. Second, a false sense of security is worse than no security at all. Legislating in the heat of emotion will not prevent future attacks, but it will do irreparable harm to innocent people.
oldguy
January 16th, 2013
5:06 pm
Just a thought,
Now that the great state of new york ( that is with small letters) has seen fit to ban all firearm magazines over 7 rounds are all of the police, deputies and constables in the state required to turn in their handguns that use these magazines? Why not? Are their weapons not as dangerous as any in private hands? (I know of no police dept that uses weapons with capacities that low).
A few months ago the NYPD opened fire on a shooter at the Empire State building and THEY wounded 8 innocent bystanders! (the original shooter shot no bystanders).
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
5:06 pm
“There’s such a furor over Obama’s proposal.”
You mean there’s such a Führer over Obama’s proposal, don’t you?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:07 pm
Jerome
We ended up kissing our sister.
2-2.
You evil Red Devils are running away with it.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 16th, 2013
5:08 pm
R. W. Extreme — “Jay….can you prove his statement is wrong?”
One does not prove a negative. Burden of proof rests on the original poster to prove the veracity of his claim.
If he’s speaking the truth, he should have no problem finding a link that substantiates his claim and then posting it here.
And with that, I’m out. All be well and drive safely.
DannyX
January 16th, 2013
5:08 pm
“like homosexuals did with the word “gay”)”
And Republicans did with the word Christian.
Victor Midtown
January 16th, 2013
5:08 pm
We are a representative democracy. You probably don’t want to see the results if we put everything up for a simple majority vote in the state of Georgia or in the city of Atlanta for that matter. It wouldn’t necessarily be all that edifying.
Georgia
January 16th, 2013
5:08 pm
Okay, I think we need a hitler emoticon when we talk about this issue. Otherwise we’ll just talk in circles and end up arguing anti-semantics. Maybe the paid AJC stooges who work at the AJC (probably in the cubicle next to Jay), can come up with one.
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:10 pm
cons don’t care about the kids being slaughtered at school, they are still fixated on “getting our President”.
Keep marginalizing these kooks and move forward.
middle of the road
January 16th, 2013
5:10 pm
“Using that kind of reasoning, then since pedophiles have a documented interest in pornography, we should ban pornography. Are you okay with that?”
That is faulty reasoning. The equivalent statement would be: If mass murderers have a fascination with assault rifles, should we ban ALL guns?
The equivalent statement for the listed argument would be: If pedophiles have shown an fascination with child pornography, should we ban all child pornography? Are you OK with that? Uh….
td
January 16th, 2013
5:10 pm
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:03 pm
td,
The AR ban will never reach a vote in the Senate unless they change the filibuster rule.
I would bet you $1000 that the Republicans will NOT filibuster a bill that has an assault weapons ban in it. They want these Red state Dems on the record and they know they can kill the bill in the house.
Aquagirl
January 16th, 2013
5:11 pm
Jay….can you prove his statement is wrong?
Well, if you don’t trust the ultra-lib Second Amendment Foundation, we’ll understand.
http://saf.org/pub/rkba/general/BogusFounderQuotes.htm
BTW, they also address the asinine “quote” from Sarah Brady one of you gun-huggers trotted out this morning.
I propose we ban guns from people who lack BS filters on their brains and spit out whatever wingnut crap is served to them. We’d all be much safer.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 16th, 2013
5:11 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
4:59 pm
Glad you asked. Primarily because geeks like me who price insurance deals have no credible data to show any impact on deflecting intruders. We have huge volumes of data about residential perimeter lighting and security systems that are actually active and connected. The other challenge of underwriting guns in homes is that accidental discharge exposure data may indicate more of a liability issue…
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:12 pm
joe
“Our legal citizens will never be disarmed, not matter how loudly the loony left cries.”
I think you mean “Our legal citizens will never be disarmed, no matter how often the NRA and gun manufacturer lobbyists keep saying it to the gullible right.”.
Georgia
January 16th, 2013
5:12 pm
Nice umlaut drop!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 16th, 2013
5:13 pm
Here’s another tidbit of information the impetuous and politically reactionary dopes in DC won’t tell you..
James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University, points out another problem with background checks: “Most mass murderers do not have criminal records or a history of psychiatric hospitalization.” Furthermore, let’s remember that Lanza took guns from his mother, a legal gun owner.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:13 pm
Jerome
About Mr. Potato Head — have you seen pictures of his two brothers John and Graham?
That family fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
DwayneL
January 16th, 2013
5:13 pm
Bad people will do bad things so this will do NOTHING! Drugs are illegal and yet they’re everywhere. Chicago has strictest gun control laws on books and has the highest murder rate. When will you people learn???
graphite
January 16th, 2013
5:13 pm
I say,dump millions of guns and plenty of ammo in the hoods and let them go at it.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
5:14 pm
“I wish these people who make the absurd “we’re not a democracy” statement would go to this site…and search to see how many times Ronald Reagan referred to this country as a democracy.”
And I wish liberals would stop making Reagan the spokesman and exemplar of all things conservative. Hannity sets him on a pedestal, but that doesn’t mean you can logically generalize his sentiments to all conservatives.
Krystal'sBalls
January 16th, 2013
5:14 pm
Said it before and will say it again. As long as there are lowlifes willing to bust into families’ homes ARMED 2, 3, 4 at a time to terrorize, rob, and do who knows what else, I will have a need for my AR-15. Solve THAT problem and you prevent otherwise reserved people from going out and purchasing them. Won’t happen though. Everyone is too chicken—- to deal with the real issues.
josef
January 16th, 2013
5:16 pm
We could take every weapon and pound it into the proverbial ploughshare, but we still will have accomplished very little if we do not confront head on the two issues behind all of this. We as Americans from Thule to Ushuaia are inheritors of an extremely violent cultural past from the pre-Columbian forward. We have to examine that. Secondly, folks who go off the wall in a shooting, knifing, or stick wielding spree are mentally and socially unbalanced. The question is how do we deal with that aspect of society. This is another one we have to deal with head on. It is far easier to “do something” about the presence of weapons than it is to “do something” about the cultural and psychological factors.
What I am afraid of is that the easy way out will take precedence over the latter two and we will have missed the golden opportunity to really “do something” about the murderous violence.
Soothsayer
January 16th, 2013
5:16 pm
If you don’t believe that we live in a corporate-controlled fascist society, consider this: each and every one of our Representatives and Senators lives in mortal fear that they will be singled out by the NRA, (but a single corporate entity) which is wholly-owned by the firearms industry.
If they favor ANY legislation that, in any way, limits the number of firearms sold in the United States, then they’re history. Can you hear me, now?
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:17 pm
TM
January 16th, 2013
4:12 pm
“The administration also proposes to get serious about gun trafficking, in which legal gun purchasers buy large numbers of weapons for later private sale to criminals. Amazingly, “there is no explicit law against straw purchasing, so straw purchasers and others who traffic guns can often only be prosecuted for paperwork violations,” the White House report states”
Isn’t this what our government did letting our guns be bought for use by the Mexican Cartels??? It’s okay for them to engage in this type of action but ….
++++++++++++++++++++++
This is the typical far right wing, talk radio listening/foxbot “reasoning.” It’s also the thought patterns of prepubescent children.
Johnny did it so why can’t I?
Fast and Furious was a mistake. A BAD mistake. Does that mean we must repeat it or that we can never do anything ever again because of Fast and Furious? Really? Do you know how utterly stupid and juvenile that sounds? Do you know how many of you mindless right wing fanatics have said this same thing TODAY? I know thta’s what you get in your total immersion of idiot talk radio and it’s become your norm but just damn. Step back for a minute and look how stupid it is.
Do you have kids? Did that stupid assed “argument’ work with you when your kids tried it? How are ypou any different? How is it now any more valid. Grow the flock up.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
5:17 pm
@JamVet
Man, you are failing social studies so badly today. We are 100% not a democracy. See: Bush v Gore/the existence of our electoral college. Majority rule? Nah.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 16th, 2013
5:18 pm
I want to thank all of our NRA gun supporters for pointing out the solution to how we fund armed guards for the schools and solve the deficit. It’s clear that because an armed populace can defeat the US Military with all its very expensive airplanes, ships, subs (or boats that go underwater for you Mitt fans), tanks, drones, trained personnel, guided bombs and more. We can just shut down the military and sell off all that surplus equipment. We have you, the armed populace, to defend us. It’s amazing that you, the untrained morass, can defeat our military.
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
“Jay….can you prove his statement is wrong?”
I see we have a growing population of cons who want others to hold their hands and help them across the street.
Gah, people, Google can provide accurate information if you’re careful and don’t believe the first thing you hear or read.
Wait… I think I see the problem….
Krystal'sBalls
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
@graphite.
Besides the fact that you are a scumbag racist, that is EXACTLY why “the hood” is the way it is. Those who are not from “the hood” ensure drugs, guns and ammo STAY “dumped” there. Many of us have long been aware of this genocidal tactic. That’ s why people like YOU constantly call US “racist”, to deflect.
indigo
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
After all is said and done, you cons have absolutely nothing to worry about.
Big Business has an absolute iron grip on your Republican politicians and will NEVER turn it loose. They will keep funding the election and re-election campaigns for Repubicans in return for a continuation of generous profits. Republicans will, therefore, always protect the manufacture and sale of as many guns as Business can turn out.
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
And the NRA and house republicans will make sure they are all tied together in one bill and go the Senate first to get those red state Senators on the record.
House Republicans can’t even poinpoint specific budget cuts to put into a bill and pass to keep Obama from spending recklessly, so how in the world are they going to complete such a monumental task?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
td,
It is doa so your fantasy on getting Senate seats on the slaughter of American children is a loser but shows what you really care about..
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
DENNIS: I told you. We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,–
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: –but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more–
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh — who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn’t vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don’t vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, ‘ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,
[angels sing]
her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen — strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power
just ’cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin’ I was an empereror just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they’d
put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP! HELP! I’m being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that,
eh? That’s what I’m on about — did you see him repressing me,
you saw it didn’t you?
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
oldguy
January 16th, 2013
5:06 pm
Just a thought,
Now that the great state of new york ( that is with small letters) has seen fit to ban all firearm magazines over 7 rounds are all of the police, deputies and constables in the state required to turn in their handguns that use these magazines? Why not? Are their weapons not as dangerous as any in private hands? (I know of no police dept that uses weapons with capacities that low).
A few months ago the NYPD opened fire on a shooter at the Empire State building and THEY wounded 8 innocent bystanders! (the original shooter shot no bystanders).
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Holy crap on a stick. Right AFTER the Rush show finishes, we get multiple morons posting this same inane crap. Yet NONE of them listen to Rush…………..
Holy crap. The stupid, it BURNS. Just damn, how stupid IS that “argument.’ How can any self respecting person repeat such an utterly stupid…….. I’m searching for a word, it’s so stupid it can’t be called a thought, or an argument and for damn sure not a line of reasoning………… what DO you call something so utterly void of intelligence?
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
crier,
The cons put him on a pedestal so own it.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
” The Problem With Quotes From The Internet Is It Is Hard To Verify Their Authenticity ”
– Abraham Lincoln.
Jerome Horwitz
January 16th, 2013
5:21 pm
Kam – Have seen some picture of Ronney’s progeny, but, none of the brothers. Do they have hair plugs too?
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
5:22 pm
I wonder if Jay got got this “heads up”:
The subject line of the pool report reads, “Par-TEE!”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-goes-geithners-good-bye-party_696155.html
Kind of like a Drudge headline in reverse. LOL. Perhaps THP will use it as their headline unedited.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:23 pm
Krystal’sBalls
January 16th, 2013
5:20 pm
@graphite.
Besides the fact that you are a scumbag racist, that is EXACTLY why “the hood” is the way it is. Those who are not from “the hood” ensure drugs, guns and ammo STAY “dumped” there. Many of us have long been aware of this genocidal tactic. That’ s why people like YOU constantly call US “racist”, to deflect.
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Just for your listening pleasure my brother. Song stopped me in my tracks first time I heard it…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw0uz88E2gI
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:25 pm
JamVet
“Democracy: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.”
So what you’re saying is, these cons who think they need all kinds of guns to defend themselves against the federal government and fight them because they could become tyrannical are really fighting against themselves because they don’t trust themselves?
Y’know, JamVet, they may be saner than I thought.
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
5:25 pm
We are 100% not a democracy.
No new age wordsmith (LOL), we are not a 100% democracy.
Do you understand the difference?
You cons are flat out weird…
Nurse Ratched
January 16th, 2013
5:26 pm
“Gah, people, Google can provide accurate information if you’re careful and don’t believe the first thing you hear or read. Wait… I think I see the problem….”
That’s very good, Paul. Now did you take your pills for your ADHD?
Jefferson
January 16th, 2013
5:26 pm
The Senate will be MORE blue next time, just watch.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:27 pm
Jerome
Don’t know about hair plugs, but there is no question that they all came from the same parents.
Nurse Ratched
January 16th, 2013
5:27 pm
“Y’know, JamVet, they may be saner than I thought.”
“Y’know, JamVet, they may be saner than I thought.”
You are repeating yourself, Paul. That’s not a good sign.
DannyX
January 16th, 2013
5:29 pm
“Hannity sets him on a pedestal, but that doesn’t mean you can logically generalize his sentiments to all conservatives.”
Governor Rick Scott of Florida loves the Reagan myth. Scott loved the liberal Ronald Reagan so much he named the rescue dog he got as a campaign prop ‘Reagan’.
Scott didn’t love Reagan the dog as much as he liked Reagan the liberal President, the poor dog hasn’t been seen since Scott won the election.
Btw mentions of liberal Reagan during the Republican convention, 512. Mentions of George W Bush, 3.
Brosephus™
January 16th, 2013
5:29 pm
Krystal’sBalls @ 5:20
I had completely skipped that post, and probably should not have gone back to see what you were responding to.
Recon 0311 2533
January 16th, 2013
5:29 pm
I read Obama’s executive action where all with the exception of nominating an ATF head came from the NRA. The proposal to Congress was to ban so called assault rifles and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Don’t know how Jay can call this “wide-ranging and ambitious” as Obama promised. Sounds to me like Biden approached this with only one thought in mind and that’s banning guns and high capacity magazines. Knowing that Obama did not have executive powers to accomplish the ban himself he and Obama took mostly the proposals from the NRA and incorporated them into Obama’s executive action. These are actions that the administration could have ordered long ago and have not until now. Hopefully, Obama’s feet will be held to the fire in measuring how well these executive actions will be carried out. I suspect that they won’t be carried out particularly well and all we’ll see is Obama shaking his fist at the Republicans in Congress accusing them of obstructing his gun control proposal. Good politics but extremely poor governance.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:30 pm
Towncrier: I miss your point in your 5:22? The President was supposed to go to a random funeral or something instead?
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:31 pm
Nurse Ratched
“That’s very good, Paul. Now did you take your pills for your ADHD?”
Uhhh…. nooo….
Obamacare hasn’t kicked in yet. So no free meds.
And I’m still waiting for my Obamaphone and all the other free stuff he promised me.
But I’m a patient kinda guy.
Can we get on with the eval now?
kayaker 71
January 16th, 2013
5:32 pm
There were no assault weapons used at Sandy Hook. He left the AR 15 in the car and used 4 handguns. Each of the handguns had a maximum cartridge capacity of 10 rounds. There is virtually nothing in Bozo’s proposals that would have prevented Sandy Hook with the possible exception of armed guards at the school which the NRA has already proposed.
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
5:33 pm
“The problem with engaging anyone on the internet – especially in the blogosphere – is that when you approach them with facts that are inconvenient to their reality, they simply drift back into whatever online fantasy world they are living in until the facts you presented have taken a back seat to their latest super awesome virtual achievement or snarky retort, thus rendering your attempt at honest debate a complete exercise in futility.”
- Meet In the Middle
OldDawg
January 16th, 2013
5:33 pm
The administration also proposes to get serious about gun trafficking, in which legal gun purchasers buy large numbers of weapons for later private sale to criminals.
as in “Fast and Furious”?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:33 pm
There were no assault weapons used at Sandy Hook. He left the AR 15 in the car and used 4 handguns.
Already debunked by the coroner.
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:33 pm
Nurse Ratched
I posted that once.
The optometrist has an appointment open tomorrow at 3 -
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:34 pm
Nurse Ratched
January 16th, 2013
5:27 pm
“Y’know, JamVet, they may be saner than I thought.”
“Y’know, JamVet, they may be saner than I thought.”
You are repeating yourself, Paul. That’s not a good sign.
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Boy howdy look at that. You’ve got your own personal stalker Paul. You’ve moved up in status apparently. You are ALMOST big time now. If he (she? I doubt it) starts stalking your mom you’ll know you have it made…….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WuQ0HlwlqE
Nurse Ratched
January 16th, 2013
5:34 pm
“Towncrier: I miss your point in your 5:22? The President was supposed to go to a random funeral or something instead?”
It was the goofy, sophmoric and inappropriate pool subject description of the report by someone in the media. Nothing at all to do with the president attending a good-bye party (which is perfectly fine and appropriate).
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:34 pm
td,
You should be worried about losing more seats in the house and senate because that is what is going to happen.
Towncrier
January 16th, 2013
5:36 pm
Dang. I can’t even be satirical here any more, I am falling over myself so badly. ROFL!
I have to go anyway. Good night all!
MeetInTheMiddle
January 16th, 2013
5:36 pm
@JamVet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_republic
It doesn’t have pictures, but you should be able to get through it.
JamVet
January 16th, 2013
5:37 pm
Paul, the most extremist of these Republicans really are becoming the new age Flat Earth Society.
It is one thing to disagree and use evidence, data and reason to do so, but this specious stuff?????
Made up definitions and embarrassing fact-free non-explanations that would get laughed out of high school???
They are an embarrassment to whatever education they received.
Fortunately, they are sealing their own fate with these contrived and woefully misguided views…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 16th, 2013
5:39 pm
I have to go anyway. Good night all!
Are you taking your other sock-puppets with you?
Or will you now introduce a new one in 3…2…1….?
Paul
January 16th, 2013
5:40 pm
Fred 5:21
Welcome to Jay’s Blogland Reality.
bookman parrot
January 16th, 2013
5:40 pm
to getalife
January 16th, 2013
4:14 pm
it is time to get rid of the ethnicity/country of origin adjectives and just be american … or if the adjective is that important .. then go back to the place of that origin … it really gets tiresome hearing this person is the first of this and the first of that … pointing to it so much is just divisive. as for your intelligence testing, i’m on board with that, but i bet many more libs would not pass… see the youtube of the obamaphone lady
i could care less about BHO’s heritage,… but i do care about his ideology and actions .. which in my opinion makes it a toss up between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama as the worst president in the history of US, so i hope we don’t see anyone with his ideas in office again
getalife
January 16th, 2013
5:40 pm
crier,
The truth about reagan upset you so you cried about it.
And stop posting uncredible rw media at night after your nap son.
This is not a con echo chamber at night.
pogo
January 16th, 2013
5:40 pm
Personally, I thought he let the movie industry off too easy. I guess he did it because he is enthralled with their celebrity and especially their un-ending campaign money. Hollywood thrives and make millions on images of gun produced blood and gore and it continuously glamourizes the act. Some of Hollywoods biggest and most liberal actors and directors on the one hand claim to be anti-violence/anti-gun yet they make films filled with guns and killing. It is ironic that Obama is willing to use the 1st amendment to protect the violence peddlers in Hollywood but yet he and liberal America seem to want to step on the second amendment when it comes to gun ownership. I would be very interested to know how many of the Hollywood people actually own guns themselves. We would all be very surprised.
Otherwise, I didn’t see much in what Obama said that is all that bad. I don’t think the clip capacity and the assault weapon band will do much to deter the criminals and the insane though and I don’t think it will pass since it is based upon the cosmetics of the weapon, not upon how much damage it will do. A 30-06 rifle with a three round clip, a typical hunting gun in the hands of the right (or wrong) person can do tremendous amounts of damage. Then again, so can a base ball bat or tire iron or a gallon of the right pesticide.
I own guns and owning a weapon probably saved me and my wife a couple of years back from an intrusion by a couple of people with some really bad intent. Thankfully, I didn’t have to shoot them. I verbally warned them that they were about to die and even then they didn’t quit until they actually saw the weapon I held in my hand (a shotgun). A very bad shotgun which looked very menacing. If I hadn’t owned a weapon there is no way that I or my wife could have physically overcome the two men trying to break into my house as they were much bigger and much younger than ourselves. Though we called the police immediately when the incident started it was a full 25 minutes before they showed up. So, for all of you who want weapons banned, I hope that you never have to experience what we did and not be prepared for it. America today is filled to the brim with violent people who have no regard for human life whatsoever. Our problem now is not the machines of destruction, it is the American psyche.
Fred ™
January 16th, 2013
5:40 pm
OldDawg
January 16th, 2013
5:33 pm
The administration also proposes to get serious about gun trafficking, in which legal gun purchasers buy large numbers of weapons for later private sale to criminals.
as in “Fast and Furious”?
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Wow really? I mean NO ONE has posted that yet. I know Rush didn’t talk about……. nor Sean……… nor Neal or whoever is doing his show now……. Naw, YOU just thought that up and posted it right here……… along with 40 other people today…….