How subparagraph (3) undercuts Senate ethics reform

If you were under the illusion that ethics reform was basically a “done deal” in the 2013 General Assembly — if you thought that our elected officials finally understand the impropriety of accepting lavish meals, hospitality and other gifts from lobbyists — the new ethics rules approved by the state Senate Monday ought to clarify the situation.

The rules, adopted by a vote of 42-12, look fairly straightforward at first. They state, for example, that “no senator shall accept any gift, other than those specified in subparagraph (3) of this paragraph, with a value in excess of $100 from a registered lobbyist.”

Ahh, but what does that pesky “subparagraph (3)” say?

Among other things, it lists several occasions on which the much-ballyhooed $100 limit doesn’t apply. For example, it doesn’t apply to “expenses for admission, registration, food, beverages, travel, and lodging attributed to participating in events, seminars, or educational programs sponsored by or in conjunction with a civic, charitable, governmental, educational, professional, community, or business organization or institution where attendance is related to the senator’s official duties.”

That’s a lot of words. In more practical terms, the provision means that when state Sen. Jeff Mullis, the new chairman of the Senate Rules Committee, took a lobbyist-paid three-night junket last year to The Shores Spa and Resort in Florida — “the only AAA Four-Diamond luxury beachfront hotel in Daytona Beach” — he would been perfectly within the “tough” new Senate rules, even though the trip cost $938. You see, Mullis was attending the annual convention of the Georgia Industrial Loan Association, which subparagraph (3) makes fine and dandy. (Six other legislators, as well as Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, also attended the convention at lobbyist expense.)

The $802 junket taken to Amelia Island Plantation by state Sen. Rick Jeffares, the newly named chairman of the Senate Ethics Committee, would also have been allowed under subparagraph (3), because he was attending courtesy of the Georgia Association of Convenience Stores. So to for the $1,000 trip to the Grove Park Inn in Ashville, N.C., taken by Sen. Jack Murphy, then chair of the Senate Banking Committee, to attend the Georgia Bankers Association convention.

Theoretically, even House Speaker David Ralston’s infamous $17,000 trip to view Europe’s high-speed rail system might be covered under the generous umbrella of subparagraph (3), since he claimed it was related to his official duties.

Under another part of subparagraph (3), the $100 limit per senator is also abolished for events “made available to all members of the General Assembly, the Senate, or any caucus, committee, or subcommittee of such bodies.” Such events are fairly common practice under the Gold Dome, with lobbyists or industry groups taking entire committees out on the town.

But again, senators don’t need the special exemption offered by subparagraph (3) to attend such mass affairs. They only need that exemption if the lobbyist intent is to spend more than $100 per senator. Under this provision, a lobbyist who takes a single senator out to dinner must abide by the limit; a lobbyist who wants to take an entire subcommittee out to dinner and drinks has no limit on what he spends per legislator.

Again, such events are fairly common. The pinnacle may have come several years ago, when members of the House and Senate transportation committees were invited to a lavish dinner at the Egyptian Ballroom of the Fox Theater. They ate, they drank, they mingled, and they were then treated to a private concert by country star Travis Tritt. Tables at the affair were sold for up to $10,000, but legislators got in free courtesy of Georgians for Better Transportation, a road-construction industry group.

Under subparagraph (3), that too would be well within these “tight” new Senate rules.

It’s important to note that the rules in question do not have the force of state law; they are simply standards that senators have agreed to set for themselves until new laws are passed. However, they do offer a glimpse at how closely those proposed laws will have to be monitored.

– Jay Bookman

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saywhat?

January 16th, 2013
8:15 am

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:17 am

expenses for admission, registration, food, beverages, travel, and lodging attributed to participating in events, seminars, or educational programs sponsored by or in conjunction with a civic, charitable, governmental, educational, professional, community, or business organization or institution where attendance is related to the senator’s official duties.

holy crap.

They’re really not even trying, are they.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 16th, 2013
8:18 am

It other words, lip service and lipstick…. but not real reform.

saywhat?

January 16th, 2013
8:19 am

You didn’t mention the even bigger kick in the nuts of these “tough” new ethics rules- the one which prohibits the public from bringing ethics complaint against members of the senate.

What scum.

DannyX

January 16th, 2013
8:19 am

“For example, it doesn’t apply to “expenses for admission, registration, food, beverages, travel, and lodging attributed to participating in events, seminars, or educational programs sponsored by or in conjunction with a civic, charitable, governmental, educational, professional, community, or business organization or institution where attendance is related to the senator’s official duties.””

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

JamVet

January 16th, 2013
8:20 am

Georgia’s shameless RepubliPigs at the trough.

Tar and feather them. And then run them out of Atlanta and back to their own mini-troughs where they belong…

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:21 am

barking frog

January 16th, 2013
8:21 am

With the ethics guidelines, what was once questionable is now
now carved in stone ethical. o.k.

the cat

January 16th, 2013
8:22 am

All they have to do is look to Nathan Deal as they arbiter of ethics, NOT.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

January 16th, 2013
8:22 am

Epic, EPIC face palm…. It would be funny if it weren’t so…sad? I can’t think of the proper word. This crap has to stop.

Mike Fitzgerald

January 16th, 2013
8:23 am

What do you expect when a group is asked to regulate themselves? I think the sunshine the press offers is the best tool to expose this type of behavior. I look forward to reading about the next lobbyist funded trip post reform. Hopefully continued coverage and pressure will force the Senate to take up the issue again soon.

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:23 am

That’s disgusting.

Road Scholar

January 16th, 2013
8:25 am

Jay is that $100 per session, month, day, hour, or minute? If they accept a “gift” or trip, does that mean they have to recluse themselves from the vote that affects those who have “bribed” them? Doesn’t accepting the gift add an appearance of wrongdoing?

Some say…trust me…but for a politician, that is an oxymoron. They must think we are morons!

Elections Have Consequences

January 16th, 2013
8:29 am

Democrats maligning the GOP for ‘ethics’. Funny.

Chris Matthews

January 16th, 2013
8:31 am

Nothing compared to what happens in the US Senate and the way King Obama is shredding the US Constitution!

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:32 am

off topic, and h/t TBogg, this is too good not to share:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2013/01/these-are-people-wall-street-journal.html

Yes, in that comic, every single one of those families makes a six figure income, the lowest being $180 thousand, and yet because of the new tax hikes imposed by Obama, they all appear as though he ran over the family dog.

The median household income in the U.S. between 2007-2011 was $52,762, but the American people are all supposed to shed tears for those that make between three to twelve times as much? Seriously, how out of touch do you have to be to think that? Of course, this is the same outfit that supported a guy who thought making $250k qualified as “middle income”.

This is also further insulting considering right wingers bitch endlessly about government workers like teachers supposedly living high on the hog.

although in the larger sense, it’s NOT off-topic. It’s because our state’s legislators (and many, many others in the US) are bought and paid for by the rich and powerful, who paper over these disgusting ethical issues with BS legislation, that tax-phobia exists at all. In something approaching a representative democracy, we wouldn’t have this absurd aversion to taxing people who can easily afford it.

Jay

January 16th, 2013
8:33 am

Scholar, that’s $100 per gift. I could take you to a $99 lunch, and then to a $99 dinner.

As to the fact that only Senate personnel can file charges, while private citizens cannot, I’m not all that concerned. These are the Senate’s own rules, its own internal policing system, so to speak, so keeping it internal makes some sense. And in practical terms, the Senate system would be forced to address any ethical missteps that become public anyway, without the need for private citizens filing a complaint.

Shar

January 16th, 2013
8:33 am

It should be so clear and unambiguous. Our representatives should be able to accept any and all gifts which are equally available to every one of their constituents. Better roads, schools, cleaner air, cheaper utilities? Sure. Trips to Europe, Wild Hog dinners, tickets to games? Not unless they are very, very crowded.

Subparagraph 3 needs a bit of editing.

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:34 am

thanks for that first “but, but, OBAMA” @ 8.31. Twenty minutes after the Bat Signal went out. Not bad.

DannyX

January 16th, 2013
8:36 am

“Nothing compared to what happens in the US Senate and the way King Obama is shredding the US Constitution!”

Hold on there Chris Matthews, Republicans in the Georgia legislature will be taking up Agenda 21 after ethics ‘reform’. Don’t get ahead of yourself.

JamVet

January 16th, 2013
8:36 am

Any bets that the usual suspects from the Lemming Party will a) blow this off, b) blame it on Obama or the liberals, c) say it’s all been done before or d) blame it on Obama and the liberals?!

Oops! Looks like two of the stooges already beat me to the punch.

Stay unapologetically servile and dirty, cons; it works for you!

Maximum

January 16th, 2013
8:36 am

Republicans are the Lance Armstrong of politics.

Jay

January 16th, 2013
8:37 am

I should also stress that this isn’t a partisan issue. Believe me, when the Democrats ran the Legislature, ethics reform was no less difficult.

Shar

January 16th, 2013
8:38 am

@Stands for decibels: your graphic representation is a bit off. The Lincoln Tunnel is efficient, cost effective, reliable and works well for everyone (except at rush hour). The subparagraph is none of those things.

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:40 am

Elections Have Consequences

January 16th, 2013
8:29 am

Democrats maligning the GOP for ‘ethics’. Funny.
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Oh yea, we get the snark. Funny. Gee Thanks.

However, do you not have the character to denounce this sham ethics reform?

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 16th, 2013
8:40 am

Sounds like how the AMWAY sales people skirt the rules IMO

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:40 am

The Lincoln Tunnel is efficient, cost effective, reliable and works well for everyone (except at rush hour).

Having used that particular port myself, countless times, I can attest that you are correct.

I humbly apologize for the error.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 16th, 2013
8:40 am

Dang! I should of run for state senate, instead of President, a few years ago. The gifts make up for the difference in pay.

Have a good Hump Day everybody.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 16th, 2013
8:42 am

Jay

Where the hell is my $99 lunch and $99 dinner. Gessh.

I will take you to the new hot spots in Pittsburgh :-)

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
8:43 am

JAY

Let the fun begin:

Jeff Mullis
State Senator, District 53
E-Mail: jeffmullis@comcast.net

Phone: (706) 375-1776

Jay

January 16th, 2013
8:46 am

Common, when you become Senator Common, we’ll talk….

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:46 am

Is it irresponsible to speculate that each and every one of those 42 “yea” votes have decried the issuance of “free stuff” on a national level? It would be irresponsible not to.

Redcoat

January 16th, 2013
8:47 am

But when the Democrats gain control……it will be acceptable and they will not change a thing. Both parties are corrupt……..anyone disagree?

jd

January 16th, 2013
8:48 am

Jay — $99 per lobbylist per lunch — so, I am a big firm — I take 4 of my comrades with me — 4x 99 = a really good gift…

Jay

January 16th, 2013
8:49 am

jd, no, the rules do forbid that particular little strategy.

Cherokee

January 16th, 2013
8:49 am

“They’re really not even trying, are they.”

Why should they? They know that with an R by their name, the good folks of Georgia will automatically vote for them….

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
8:50 am

Suck it up libs. Georgia is an efficiently run state. I have no problem with gubmint officials getting some perks. With dems in control on a national level we have to put up with the exploitation of children to push agenda’s and cover-ups so deal with it….

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:51 am

Enter your comments here
Redcoat

January 16th, 2013
8:47 am

But when the Democrats gain control……it will be acceptable and they will not change a thing. Both parties are corrupt……..anyone disagree?
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Don’t be ridiculous, it’s never acceptable.

There is corruption in politics, in both parties, but there are still honorable men and women
serving us in government.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater, Mr. Silly Pants.

bubba

January 16th, 2013
8:54 am

I am a conservative and I do not approve of our legislature. I wish we could sue the legislators to get all lobby money. I mean, dont they work for us. It kind of like they are employed by us but are also taking employment money from the lobbyists, acting as their employees as well.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

January 16th, 2013
8:54 am

Did anyone believe that the Georgia Legislature was serious about ethics reform? This is brought to you by the same group that created a trick question for the Charter School Amendment. They have no shame and their only concern is to enjoy the luxury of holding a political office and enjoying the illegal perks. If it was not for the perks, most of them probably would not want to hold their particular office. Next thing you know, we will be hearing about how home renovations were written off for $100 but in actuality, it was an inspection by a construction company to see how the sun reflects off of a certain window pane!! Pathetic they are!!

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
8:55 am

But when the Democrats gain control……it will be acceptable and they will not change a thing.

That is a fair question (and Jay’s already kinda/sorta addressed it). All I can say as a usual-Democratic voter is that I would expect a left-leaning representative to pay his or her own way, to honestly legislate a higher per diem / salary if one was needed, rather than partaking of such baksheesh, and that to do otherwise would be a betrayal of progressive principles.

That’s how I’d approach such a corruptible individual, anyway.

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 16th, 2013
8:55 am

This is what you get when one party rules the roost. The right complains about ‘King Obama’ but from what I see here in Georgia Nathan Deal and our Republicans could teach Washington DC a few things.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
8:56 am

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
8:50 am

Amazing. So you trust that government has our interest above all else? So you are not different than the sheepish liberals here who are incapable of questioning, much less challenging anything BO and his crew does???

indigo

January 16th, 2013
8:57 am

No one with any understanding of The Georgia Legislature honestly believed they would pass any meaningful ethics reform bill.

This measure clearly shows what the General Assembly thinks about the IQ’s of their electorate.

Unfortunately, many of said electorate will actually believe honest reform has come to Georgia politics.

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:57 am

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
8:50 am

Suck it up libs. Georgia is an efficiently run state. I have no problem with gubmint officials getting some perks. With dems in control on a national level we have to put up with the exploitation of children to push agenda’s and cover-ups so deal with it….
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Pharisee!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
8:59 am

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:51 am

Sad part of those “honorable” folks in elected position as the honor is difficult to maintain given the dysfunctional system which they ultimately need to subscribe to in order to continue to get re-elected. Elections cost money…heck $6 billion or so was spent on the presidential auction…clearly that’s a sign that the political apocalypse is upon us…

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
9:00 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

Amazing. So you trust that government has our interest above all else? So you are not different than the sheepish liberals here who are incapable of questioning, much less challenging anything BO and his crew does???

On the state level. Yes I do believe they have our best interests at heart. I personally know my Senator who is a dem and my Rep who is a Republican. Both are fine folks……

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
9:00 am

the sheepish liberals here who are incapable of questioning, much less challenging anything BO and his crew does

I will issue to Stevie the same request I made of “straitroad” downstairs: Kindly identify these “sheepish” folk who will not challenge anything “BO and his crew does.”

Or, alternately, try to post civilly. Your move.

nelson

January 16th, 2013
9:00 am

I have been to Daytona Beach. Let us say, it is a little long in the tooth. If the senator can find a four star resort there, he is doing well. Ethics in the senate. I have never heard of that before. It is my considered opinion that lobbyists paying the bill for a senator to go some place is corrupting. The senator will look favorably on what the lobbyist wants so he can get more freebies. I cannot think of anything I would lobby a senator for. The whole deal is, the populace votes their represenatives in, they should do research into the candidates ethics before they vote. People vote some real screwballs into office and then are surprised when their representive does something unethical.

DannyX

January 16th, 2013
9:01 am

“Suck it up libs. Georgia is an efficiently run state. I have no problem with gubmint officials getting some perks. With dems in control on a national level we have to put up with the exploitation of children to push agenda’s and cover-ups so deal with it….”

I hear back in the day lobbyists representing the Jerusalem Moneychangers Association treated Jesus (R) to a weekend at the the Ritz-Carlton, Red Sea, Sharm El Sheikh spa!

indigo

January 16th, 2013
9:02 am

Christian Conservative – 8:50

Please explain how Democrats are exploiting our children.

Grasshopper

January 16th, 2013
9:02 am

OK so government officials are prone to corruption through the unfettered receipt of gifts of all manner. Is that what we are all saying here?

Then let’s stop giving those same crooks more money through increased taxes and fees. OK?

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 16th, 2013
9:03 am

Oh watch out – CC is on a roll this morning. Somehow the Democrats are exploiting children and then there’s all those coverups too. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh I almost forgot the Georgia is an efficiently run state as well.

Wow, just….wow.

St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014

January 16th, 2013
9:03 am

while they actually make it easier from an accounting standpoint
to take (and classify) bribes, I thought the most insidious thing was
quietly adding the part forbidding citizens to petition for an
investigation, a clear violation of your rights as citizens.

They don’t even care anymore. Just pigs looting before the hammer
finally comes down on them in 2014, & 2018.

and when bu…bu…bu…Obama is all you got to say back, you have to
kinda know your day of reckoning is coming.

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
9:04 am

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

January 16th, 2013
8:59 am

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
8:51 am

Sad part of those “honorable” folks in elected position as the honor is difficult to maintain given the dysfunctional system which they ultimately need to subscribe to in order to continue to get re-elected. Elections cost money…heck $6 billion or so was spent on the presidential auction…clearly that’s a sign that the political apocalypse is upon us…
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We liberals have been pushing to get the big money out of politics for years and welcome
your support.

Peadawg

January 16th, 2013
9:04 am

Typical politicians. “No gifts over $100 except for this, this, this, this………..this, and this”

Pretty sad actually

southpaw

January 16th, 2013
9:06 am

Ethics reform sounds like something I heard from my mom: “What the big print giveth, the small print taketh away.” Are any gifts NOT covered (i.e, still outlawed) under subparagraph (3)?

Peadawg

January 16th, 2013
9:08 am

Jay, you forgot the best part about them saying citizens can’t petition for an investigation. We voted them into office but can’t call them out on sh*t they do.

curious

January 16th, 2013
9:08 am

The real problem isn’t our elected politicans (including Obama).

It’s Lobbyists; they have corrupted the entire process.

Road Scholar

January 16th, 2013
9:09 am

Christian Conservative: ” I have no problem with gubmint officials getting some perks”

So you approve of all state employees accepting gifts? Ya know , the ones who do the work? Issues permits, Fills potholes, etc.?

They already get “perks” like healthcare, a per diem, parking spaces next to the Capitol….

Road Scholar

January 16th, 2013
9:10 am

Christian Conservative: WWJD?

Ronald Reagan Parkway

January 16th, 2013
9:11 am

Jay, you forgot the best part about them saying citizens can’t petition for an investigation. We voted them into office but can’t call them out on sh*t they do.

________

Maybe citizens can’t but what about the GBI or FBI?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
9:13 am

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
9:04 am

Sure the liberal elected folks talk a good game but due to primary objective of re-election, they want nothing to change despite lip service to the contrary. An example is BO’s about face on taking PAC money or whatever which he originally said he wouldn’t (i think it was pac money..)

FYI, I am a regular emailer to several pen pals in DC…Pelosi, Reid, Boner, McConnell, and others..

Until the private money is out, nothing will get done that isn’t more favorable to cash sources than us…

For example, try telling a 3rd grader who survived Newtown that he is now safer because any new killer will only be allowed to have 10 rounds or less in his gun….

JamVet

January 16th, 2013
9:14 am

Georgia is an efficiently run state.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Libs, how is your paychecks looking now

January 16th, 2013
9:15 am

Hey Libs, BREAKING NEWS!!!

Federal spending on Welfare programs to skyrocket by 80% over the next decade! Medicare and Social Security is not included as they are not welfare programs!
Greese up Libs, entry is going to be severe and you each deserve it if u voted for this big eared radical!

barking frog

January 16th, 2013
9:15 am

While Executives at State and Federal levels continue to campaign
on State and Federal aircraft the state legislative lobby benefits seem
rather small.

Georgia

January 16th, 2013
9:15 am

Wait. How many paid AJC stooges are in the 2013 General Assembly? Does subparagraph 3 cover assault weapons? This whole thing has gotten out of control, and I for one am out. Count me out.

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
9:17 am

Mike

January 16th, 2013
9:19 am

I have a brother -in-law who is a big time lobbyist representing several huge companies, and the stories he tells would amaze you. Some of our elected brethren are sicko’s.

td

January 16th, 2013
9:19 am

“The rules, adopted by a vote of 42-12,”

This means there were plenty of Democrats that voted for these rules as well.

Like I have said this whole “ethics reform” is nothing more then a bunch of BS by either party. The only rule should be sunshine. All money spent on a legislator should be made public information immediately under the legislators name. It is up to the voter to determine if the money spent is acceptable to them or not. If the voter has no problem with it then so be it.

JamVet

January 16th, 2013
9:19 am

CC is on a roll this morning.

More like a binge…

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
9:20 am

Oh, Stevie…just once can you have the backbone to drop the partusan claptrap?

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
9:20 am

Fly-On-The-Wall
Oh watch out – CC is on a roll this morning. Somehow the Democrats are exploiting children and then there’s all those coverups too. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh I almost forgot the Georgia is an efficiently run state as well.

Wow, just….wow.

Have you been in a basement for the last four years. Bengazi, Fast & Furious, Menendez….

Georgia has a balanced budget… Tell me where its not efficient sport….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 16th, 2013
9:20 am

Don’t you just love when some troll posts a wild claim directed at some group without any factual evidence as if that passes for intelligence.

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
9:22 am

Granny Godzilla

January 16th, 2013
9:22 am

Children as part of the gun debate….

AS they have become targets it is most appropriate.

The Sandy Hook parents group is gonna make the Jersey Girls activism pale in comparison.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 16th, 2013
9:23 am

For example, try telling a 3rd grader who survived Newtown that he is now safer because any new killer will only be allowed to have 10 rounds or less in his gun….

And yet that 3d grader is safer just as speed limits make driving safer overall.

Rather clownish claims Stevie on your part.

DannyX

January 16th, 2013
9:24 am

“Bengazi, Fast & Furious, Menendez….”

Benghazi, Fast and Furious, who had 73rd post?

Now everyone drink a double.

Shine

January 16th, 2013
9:25 am

In other words they ignored the ballot results on both the dem and gop ticket….such stewards of the people they are.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
9:25 am

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
9:00 am

Civil? OK, I will point them out as I see them. You are being disingenuous by suggesting that such sheep on both sides aren’t prevalent at this site…

I guess that sheepish comment struck a nerve eh?

Not my real name

January 16th, 2013
9:26 am

Stevie, tell that third grader that guns don’t kill.

Bullseye

January 16th, 2013
9:26 am

CC is one of those fellars that think the Newtown shooting was staged by the government to take away his guns.

Adam

January 16th, 2013
9:27 am

All Georgia thread… yawn….

Oh, btw…..

Go 49ers

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
9:28 am

Not my real name

January 16th, 2013
9:26 am

Oh, that will make him and his parents feel much safer! I’m sure that would work for your kids..unless of course you are being facetious..

JamVet

January 16th, 2013
9:30 am

Looks like the beatdown of non-c non-c’s nonsense and lies is about to crank up in earnest…

Oscar

January 16th, 2013
9:31 am

Contact your state senator or representative and compain. Letter or email will do.

Or take him to dinner, then sneak out, say you have to go to the restroom, and leave him with the bill.

indigo

January 16th, 2013
9:32 am

Christian Conservative

Obama and the Democrats want to keep children from being murdered by guns and insure they have adequate healthcare.

Is that your definition of “exploitation”?

julia

January 16th, 2013
9:32 am

Senate ethics? boy, that’s a real knee slapper!!!

Oscar

January 16th, 2013
9:33 am

New York passed a good bill. It’s not perfect, but better than what they had. And better than what we have.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 16th, 2013
9:34 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 16th, 2013
9:23 am

I’m sorry, so please convince me that all these soon to be released brilliant political moves re gun control are going to really make these kids safer…Of course they need to pass..plus more but to suggest to a kid who witnessed that shooting that he is now safer is hard for me to buy…

This continued comparison of guns to cars is silly. We have cops on the road to actually enforce the new laws regarding DUI. Of course they can’t catch all speeders….these new registration and stricter penalties will be about as effective as the death penalty.

indigo

January 16th, 2013
9:35 am

the cat

January 16th, 2013
9:40 am

I just know these bastions of ethics are paying taxes on their ill gotten gains, right?????

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 16th, 2013
9:40 am

Sorry Stevie, you aren’t worth addressing further your clownish claims and ignorance. This is a thread about ethics. I am sure you’ll have a chance to make more clownish statements about gun control shortly in an upcoming thread.

Adam

January 16th, 2013
9:50 am

How Republicans feel about obeying laws.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/us/oregon-sheriff-gun-laws/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Certainly speaks for some of them.

Those people have forfeited the “law abiding citizen” argument.

Adam

January 16th, 2013
9:53 am

He told residents in a townhall meeting that the sheriff has more power than the federal government.

“They need to go back and study that. We are a commonwealth. I can ask federal people to leave, they have to leave. I can ask state people to leave, they have to leave,” he said.

So he’s not just a criminal, and planning to be derelict in his duty, but he’s also ignorant of actual law.

Great person to have a sheriff. Good job, voters!

moonbat betty

January 16th, 2013
9:54 am

Weird…This is very disappointing, but at the same time not at all surprising.

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
10:00 am

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
10:02 am

Road Scholar

Christian Conservative: WWJD?

Jesus would ask libs and the dem party in general why they keep denying him and the Father…..

http://youtu.be/MQiA1DugNfc

Christian Conservative

January 16th, 2013
10:19 am

Poor Jay…. he’s such a moonbat he posted on the wrong blog….

stands for decibels

January 16th, 2013
10:26 am

heh heh.

Anyone still hanging ’round, you owe it to yourself to click that sub-literate amateur hour video link posted by CC @ 10.02–’tis a hoot.