Most gun owners far more reasonable than the NRA

Judging from the results of a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, a wide spectrum of Americans of both parties has reached consensus on the need for specific, common-sense actions to reduce the death toll taken by guns without intruding on Second Amendment rights granted under the Constitution.

The question is, how much power does an angry, paranoid and politically aggressive minority still wield over gun policy in this country? I suspect that we’re going to find that it’s an awful lot. The NRA’s grip on Washington is so strong that we can’t even get a director confirmed to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the agency tasked with enforcing federal gun laws. The ATF has gone leaderless since 2006, because under President Bush and now President Obama, Senate Republicans have refused to even allow a vote on the nomination.

You want another example? The ATF is forbidden by federal law to create a computer database allowing its agents to trace ownership of guns used in a crime. The search has to be done manually, in a time-eating process of phone call after phone call, and sifting through boxes of paper records. That’s because in its infinite paranoia, the NRA insists that a computerized system would violate the Second Amendment by making it easier for the government to go door to door, confiscating the 180 million weapons estimated to be in private hands.

Seriously, they think that’s going to happen.

According to the ABC/WaPo poll, most Americans don’t put much credence in that fantasy. It found that 71 percent of Americans support creation of a national gun database. That includes 61 percent of Republicans.

In addition, 65 percent of Americans — including 59 percent of Republicans — say they support a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Seventy-six percent would require a background check before a person is allowed to purchase ammunition, a figure that includes 69 percent of Republicans.

That strong bipartisan consensus breaks down only on the issue of a ban on assault weapons. Overall, 58 percent of Americans and 54 percent of independents would support such a ban, but only 45 percent of Republicans would do so.

But the most telling data in the poll involves the 44 percent of those surveyed who live in a home where guns are kept. Of that subset, 86 percent would support closing the “gun-show” loophole on background checks. Seventy-six percent of gun owners endorse a background check for ammo sales; 62 percent would back a national firearms database, and 55 percent support a ban on large-capacity magazines.

Such numbers confirm that gun owners, as a rule, are far more reasonable about common-sense approaches to gun safety than is the extremist organization that purports to represent their interests. But in the end, I’m not confident that will matter much.

– Jay Bookman

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Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom

January 15th, 2013
11:17 am

Them dang squirrels run so fast I need an assault weapon to get dinner on the table!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 15th, 2013
11:18 am

Wolverines! Thought I would get that out of the way for our Red Dawn “patriots” who repeatedly fail to answer the question of the right of the individual to determine “tyranny” and assert it as a defense.

larry

January 15th, 2013
11:20 am

You are right about the NRA being wacky. On the one month anniversary of the Sandy Hook shooting, they introduce a video game for kids ages 4+.

As far as i am concerned, they lost credibility a long time ago.

Doggone/GA

January 15th, 2013
11:20 am

There’s only one way to break the stranglehold of the radicals in the NRA and that’s for reasonable members to leave in droves and cut the amount of money available to the radicals.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
11:21 am

Did anyone catch how the NRA made a video game app that features firing a gun? And for a fee you can “upgrade” to a better assault rifle.

Granny Godzilla

January 15th, 2013
11:23 am

” Most gun owners far more reasonable that the NRA”

Abso-freaking-lutely

However, the NRA don’t need no stinkin’ members as long as they have their stick fingers
in the pockets of the gun and ammo manufacturers.

We know what the NRA is….and we can pretty much see their price.

NRA and the fire arms industries…pimps and hoes

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 15th, 2013
11:24 am

Doggone – I agree or more of US join them and force them to change.

Granny Godzilla

January 15th, 2013
11:24 am

make that “sticky” fingers

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 15th, 2013
11:25 am

This really all about gun SALES and not gun rights. The NRA is just another business lobby group, they just have the ability to hid behind the 2nd amendment.

Moderate Line

January 15th, 2013
11:25 am

With most issues I believe the truth lies between the extremes. Switzerland, Finland and Sweden(nowhere approaching the US) for example have very high number of guns with a very low homicide rate. I have to ask what are they doing that we are not doing because simply making it harder to buy a gun is not going to eliminate the number of guns plus every time one of these tragedies hit gun sales go through the roof. I personally do not own any guns so gun control doesn’t bother me at all. However, any gun control measures implemented probably would not have any affect for several years do to the large amount of guns on the street today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Doggone/GA

January 15th, 2013
11:27 am

“Doggone – I agree or more of US join them and force them to change”

I think it’s too late for that. Given the numbers in the polls cited by Jay, there should already be enough push to change…but as long as they have the money, they won’t change. This is a case where “starve the beast” is going to be the only thing that works.

Jm

January 15th, 2013
11:27 am

Sadly, gun reform is unlikely in a sane an intelligent fashion.

Obama: I have binders full of old white men

Adam

January 15th, 2013
11:28 am

Moderate Line: I have to ask what are they doing that we are not doing because simply making it harder to buy a gun is not going to eliminate the number of guns plus every time one of these tragedies hit gun sales go through the roof.

Well, for one thing, their guns are strictly controlled and/or periodic training is required for ownership and use. Some even have implemented mental health checks as part of it.

What are they doing? They are treating guns differently than we do in our culture.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
11:29 am

Jm: Obama: I have binders full of old white men

And 8 out of 22 cabinet members as women.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 15th, 2013
11:31 am

For those who do not know the difference between a .22 and a .223, here is a photo of a .223

http://front.moveon.org/one-photograph-two-bullets-and-26-reasons-we-need-to-take-action-for-newtown-connecticut

massachusetts refugee

January 15th, 2013
11:33 am

hey jay, is your editor on strike? that post formatting (and the headline) looks like something from my nephew’s high school…

Jm

January 15th, 2013
11:33 am

““The last time Congress approved an increase in the debt ceiling in August 2011, the federal government came perilously close to being in a situation where, in the words of the Treasury Secretary, it would be unable ‘to meet our commitments securely,’” Fitch said.

Even if the debt ceiling is raised, the agency warned it would “likely” downgrade U.S. credit unless lawmakers’ passed a “credible medium-term deficit reduction plan that would be consistent with sustaining the economic recovery.””

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/fitch-warns-on-us-rating-as-debt-ceiling-looms-86203.html#ixzz2I3wYoC78

Looks like the deficit is the problem, not so much the Republicans.

larry

January 15th, 2013
11:34 am

Switzerland, Finland and Sweden(nowhere approaching the US) for example have very high number of guns with a very low homicide rate

Dont each of those countries have a draft where young men, after their service, keep their assult rifle, but if they want to get rid of them, they only can sell to the government?

MANGLER

January 15th, 2013
11:35 am

You’re not allowed to have certain things. I don’t see too many people upset that they can’t go to Boeing and buy a loaded F15, even if they had the money. It’s a military grade weapon. So are AK’s. Yet try to say you shouldn’t have THAT in your house and people lose their minds. Wanting something because it’s cool in your mind to have does not make it OK to have.
You want hand guns for defense at home or hunting rifles to (you guessed it) hunt? Fine. You want something that fires hundreds of bullets at high speed before it needs to be reloaded? Not fine. I don’t care how much training you’ve had. If you are not actively deployed serving in the armed forces, then you don’t need weapons like that. The people that do have weapons like that are why the police force has to have weapons like that.

Jm

January 15th, 2013
11:35 am

Adam. Way to count people who are leaving.

Like Hillary and Hilda Solis.

Democrat math.

Eyeroll.

Georgia

January 15th, 2013
11:35 am

I joined the NRA when I was ten. I remember being on the firing range indoors with my sister next to me. We were in the sitting postion firing at a 50 foot target with .22 rifles with V sights. Suddenly my sister’s rifle jammed. and she began to try to unjam it. I remember seeing the barrel pointed at my head and the rifle went off. Missed me by a hair. I looked over at the instructor supervising and he had his back turned. He missed the whole thing. I learned. Oh did I learn…. about gun safety being an oxymoron, (a word I coined in 1962 but failed to copywrite). That hard won lesson has kept me and everyone around me safe for a half century of hunting. I watch people like a hawk out there when I’m hunting with them. Nobody gets away with nothing. (trademark, service mark, rabbits foot, cats paw, no vice versas etc infinity).

godless heathen

January 15th, 2013
11:40 am

For those who do not know the difference between a .22 and a .223, here is a photo of a .223

That representation of a 223 beside a 22 rimfire cartridge is about the stupidest misrepresentation I have seen in a long time. Put my .300 Win Mag hunting cartridge beside that .223 and it will look like a pip squeek round. Why do the anti-gun folks have to resort to misrepresentations of this sort? I suppose that’s how poll numbers like the ones Jay cites get made. Ignorance.

F. Sinkwich

January 15th, 2013
11:40 am

“62 percent would back a national firearms database”

How would this work for guns currently in circulation? Some ATF swat team gonna search my home for guns? Or would I be asked to volunteer my inventory info?

Ringggggggg.

Hello?

ATF here. You got any guns?

Nope. But thanks for asking.

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Shar

January 15th, 2013
11:41 am

Guns should be treated like cars: each should be registered, licensed and insured to avoid uncompensated harm to other people.

Ammunition should be treated like OxyContin: its potential for lethal use means its distribution should be controlled.

The NRA should be treated as a trade organization for gun manufacturers.

Any legislators voting down reasonable gun controls should have their taxpayer-funded security cordon stripped. There is no reason that they should enjoy a free pass on the dangers they so recklessly expose the rest of us to. Let those NRA-whoring buffoons open up THEIR workplace to guns!

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
11:41 am

Republicans are just batting zero on every single issue of importance with the majority. Bummer, huh. Republicans are just out of touch with reality. Then again, that’s nothing new.

Anton Chigurh

January 15th, 2013
11:42 am

THAN in the headline, not that

GT

January 15th, 2013
11:42 am

No one is more about the show than these gun lovers. They probably spend more time modeling guns and military outfits in front of the mirror than commercials are run on television.

Now you mix that with the 21st century politician with the artificial bridge of teeth, dyed hair, Botox face, and gym rat body, which is prime time for a camera and you pretty much, got the same paranoid egotistical gun guy who needs a lot of physiological help.

Now mix that in with the new wave news guy who is Will Ferrell on steroids, just as egotistical and shallow as the flat lined brainwave of Rambo want to bes and you have the perfect recipe for the NRA.

the cat

January 15th, 2013
11:42 am

Georgia-that is a lovely story but not everyone will have had your experience and now practice gun safety.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
11:43 am

MANGLER — “You want hand guns for defense at home or hunting rifles to (you guessed it) hunt? Fine. You want something that fires hundreds of bullets at high speed before it needs to be reloaded? Not fine. I don’t care how much training you’ve had. If you are not actively deployed serving in the armed forces, then you don’t need weapons like that. The people that do have weapons like that are why the police force has to have weapons like that.”

Word.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
11:44 am

Jm: Way to count people who are leaving.

Like Hillary and Hilda Solis.

Democrat math.

Eyeroll.

Oh really? Did you count the current versus leaving members? Or are you just pretending that’s how I counted them?

the cat

January 15th, 2013
11:45 am

Shar-i like your solutions!

In order to get a pack of SUDAFED I had to offer my driver’s license and sign for it. Thanks to Timothy McVeigh. Did I complain? Of course not!

N-GA

January 15th, 2013
11:47 am

The majority no longer matters. It used to be “one citizen, one vote”. Now it is “one dollar, one vote”.

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
11:47 am

Put my .300 Win Mag hunting cartridge beside that .223 and it will look like a pip squeek round.

While we’re all impressed by your mighty big, uh, cartridge, why do you think that picture is a misrepresentation? Like the less endowed men say “It’s not how big it is, it’s what it does when it hits ya, baby.”

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
11:47 am

What the heck does a .300 Winchester mag round have to do with a comparison between a .22 long and a .223. Nothing. Now if someone had claimed that the .223 was the same as a .300 then it might be something to get your panties in a wad over.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
11:47 am

Best long term gun solutions:

Licenses required at a federal level for ownership. License passage must include passing a psychological test (NOT filling out a questionnaire) and training required at least once a year.

Include gun safety courses and basic self defense training classes in public schooling, include the standard self defense things such as ingraining a sense of thinking before you act or react, as well as emphasizing this is for SELF DEFENSE ONLY, including when you use a gun. Include disarming people of their guns in the self defense courses. This can be a part of physical education.

Georgia

January 15th, 2013
11:48 am

I sold a car once to a guy with his hand blown clean off. He said that he made his own ammo and had a shed filled with gun powder. One day lightening hit and kaboom, (copyright). His son had just left the shed too. Damn near thing. I have relatives who make their own ammo in their basement. I told them about the lightening thing and they told me that they didn’t have enough gun powder to do any real damage if it did go off. Okayyyyyy. (trademark)

How many AJC employees are here right now blogging as if they were the disenfranchised (from the AJC) rabble? If asked, it’s the law you have to identify yourself as a paid stooge in an open public forum. (patent, rabbit’s foot, etc) Comeon, fess up, confederates. Mercenary commenters are skewing the sentiment on this board, and it’s not right. Readers are unaware of it, and thus those readers are being misled about the truth about people’s feeling on gun control. That’s why nothing ever gets resolved, because everything is a fixed con game by those who are fearful of losing their influence. Pathetic, and no way to run a newspaper. (trademark, copyright, patent, cats paw etc infinity):>{

Quagmire

January 15th, 2013
11:49 am

Now, how am I gonna shoot Bigfoot without my high power rife(with 9,000,000 ammo magazine clip)? Everybody knows Bigfoot is real, just asked that police office that shot one a couple of years ago……………..oh wait.

No, it’s these violent video games that’s causing all of the violence. Oh, wait, they make billions of dollars selling violent games. I got it, let’s introduce our own video game(NRA). The NRA, where it’s all about the money, sorry, I mean gun rights!!!!!!!!

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
11:49 am

SUDAFED! That stuff works. And it’s cheap, at WalMart. At least the generic version is.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 15th, 2013
11:50 am

Godless, apparently you are ignorant of your fellow conned posting claims on prior threads that the Bushmaster is only a .22 not a .223.

But go ahead and continue to dazzle us all with your ignorance.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
11:50 am

F. SInkiewicz — “How would this work for guns currently in circulation? Some ATF swat team gonna search my home for guns? Or would I be asked to volunteer my inventory info?”

If you have a CC permit, it could just be cancelled while you make up your mind whether or not to comply with the law.

And even though it’s illegal to maintain a DB of firearm owners, it’s not illegal to maintain a DB of people who have had instant background checks run on them at gun shops, and I bet the government already has such a list with Fishy’s name on it.

We could just pop those folks onto the no-fly list and see how they like it there.

TBone

January 15th, 2013
11:51 am

You are right. I know that I am much more reasonable. I have picked up eight new weapons since last month and thousands of rounds of ammunition. My collection is now quite impressive.

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
11:53 am

JAY,

If you were a kid at the Sandy Hook school, how would this measure make you safer?

the cat

January 15th, 2013
11:53 am

Georgia-WTF? Did your tin hat fall off?

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
11:53 am

And Jay, did you really mean to put “that” in your headline? Looks weird to me, but then again despite Georgia’s strange paranoia nobody is paying me to write here.

mbtc

January 15th, 2013
11:54 am

Re: Shar: Right on, brother or sister.

Re:jm: It’s so sweet of you to care about women’s issues like that. You must also be for equal pay, family leave, and reproductive issues. Mmmmwwaa! Call me maybe.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 15th, 2013
11:54 am

My collection is now quite impressive

When you lack brains, dazzle them with your “collection”. :roll:

resno2

January 15th, 2013
11:54 am

I’m not a blind follower of the NRA, and think they wield too much power, but I find it interesting that when Wayne LaPierre made the suggestion of considering allowing guns in schools he was thought to be out of his mind by the media, but now that Babs Boxer (D) Calif. has mentioned it as a possibility, everyone is quiet. I guess the (D) makes any idea a good idea.

nelson

January 15th, 2013
11:55 am

All true Americans should disarm, turn in your arsenal. It is one of the 10 Commandments,[Thou shall not kill] that includes other animals like deer, they are not hurting you. Return to a peace loving, law abiding citizenry. Now I know some of you feel defenseless without your arsenal. Be confident, self assertive, depend on your wits to get out of tight situations. Walk on the sunny side of the street, be optimistic and forward lookng, put down that arsenal.
You are feeling better already. Am I right?

RB from Gwinnett

January 15th, 2013
11:55 am

While we’re at it, let’s start pulling back some of the 1st amendment rights too. Perhaps we can start with Jay’s propensity to only tell the part of a story that fits his agenda. Gone. Then we can prosecute any bloggers who post untruths such as “Bush planned 9/11, blew up the levies, etc.” Jail.

What do you think, libs?

JamVet

January 15th, 2013
11:56 am

I remember laughing out loud when that coward LaPierre said the gun nuts uber alles gang was “prepared to offer meaningful contributions”.

The upshot?

Teachers, school superintendents, mayors and police chiefs in Connecticut overwhelmingly rejected his idiotic non-response…

Karma for the violence lovers would be a “stray” RPG or shoulder-launched missile fired by some uninfinged person bearing arms…

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
11:56 am

TBone

January 15th, 2013
11:51 am

Wouldn’t the optical inch sufficed? Scroll down for the video.

http://www.thegreenhead.com/2007/02/philips-norelco-bodygroom-gain-that-extra-optical-inch.php

Mr_B

January 15th, 2013
11:56 am

“How would this work for guns currently in circulation?’

Suggestion: NO AFT calls, but you can’t legally sell or transfer a privately owned weapon to anyone other that a licenced dealer. Put some heavy-duty teeth into the law to discourage black-marketeering. It wouldn’t eliminate the problem, but it would help. Figure out a way in which firearms could be legally inherited, if the legatee would be otherwise legal to purchase. Firearms confiscated for any reason are destroyed, not returned to the street.

BTW. I own and use a firearm.

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
11:57 am

I picked up hundreds of shares in different stocks along with thousands of dollars in dividends and capital gains in the last few months.

My collection is quite impressive too.

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
11:57 am

Bckground check on all gun sale. Liability for gun owner for use of their guns.

Steve-USA

January 15th, 2013
11:58 am

Jm – “Obama: I have binders full of old white men”

LOL That was funny. :)

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
11:58 am

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
11:50 am

Hmmm. We have 310 million guns in circulation…with the current run on gun shops, that number may shoot up a fair bit….that’s a lot of oversight.

HDD3

January 15th, 2013
11:59 am

This issue points out liberal hypocrisy. Prior to the recent mass murders, where was your outrage over inner city gun violence? There have been more young people killed by guns in cities than all the headline grabbing mass killings combined. These proposed laws will do little to curb the deaths of inner city youth since most are hand gun related. Black people need to wake up and stop blindly supporting Democrats. I am not saying switching to the Republicans is the answer since they also have hypocrisy issues. What I am saying is we need to be independent so no party can take our support for granted. Stop falling for the silly liberal argument that all conservatives are racist. Some are but so are many Democrats. They just hide it well by giving us welfare scraps while laughing behind our backs as we fall for another liberal imitating Martin Luther King in a Black Church during election season.

Real Scootter

January 15th, 2013
12:00 pm

What the heck does a .300 Winchester mag round have to do with a comparison between a .22 long and a .223. Nothing.

Taxpayer,
I think the poster that made that comparison Would agree with you.
I’m n ot sure but I think he means there was no reason for the other poster to compare the .22 with the .223 either. Niether is relavent IMO.

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
12:01 pm

Karma for the violence lovers would be a “stray” RPG or shoulder-launched missile fired by some uninfinged person bearing arms…

Karma for that guy in North Georgia was a bullet in the head. I wonder if someone stole his most valued guns or something.

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
12:01 pm

Moderate Line:

What you said makes way to much sense. Unfortunately most people on this blog are complete left wing loons who simply don’t understand common sense….

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
12:02 pm

Mr_B

January 15th, 2013
11:56 am

The private sales and of course illegal purchases scare me. It seems the act of governing private sales is impossible. A law (see immigration) that can’t be seriously implemented means very little..

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
12:02 pm

Trace guns used in crimes back to the registered owners and hold them liabl. That would help stop transfers to unqualified people.

getalife

January 15th, 2013
12:02 pm

The cons that said our President will take their guns should stand up and admit they were dead wrong.

Mr_B

January 15th, 2013
12:03 pm

but now that Babs Boxer (D) Calif. has mentioned it as a possibility,

Hadn’t heard that, but it’s still a stupid idea.
Mr_B (teacher)

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
12:03 pm

Can someone explain to me exactly how this makes the kids who survived Sandy Hook safer?

This is simply knee jerk political theatre…pushing a solution with no relevance to the problem..

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
12:04 pm

Ray – that law you mentioned can be enforced. Takes a little time and money, that’s all.

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
12:04 pm

How much will Oblama’s plan help to curb gun violence in his hometown of Chicago?

resno2

January 15th, 2013
12:04 pm

besides adding more government jobs, what purpose could registering, or requiring a backround check on ammunition purchases, possibly serve?

Liberal Nightmare

January 15th, 2013
12:05 pm

……and to psuedo-journalist Cookman shows he can’t even use grammar check…………..

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
12:05 pm

Babs is just one person. Majority of Americans disagree with her. Not going to happen.

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
12:05 pm

To take the guns is impractical and the scare tactics are as ridiculous as throwing granny over the cliff…just a bunch of paranoid drama queens on both counts.

godless heathen

January 15th, 2013
12:05 pm

why do you think that picture is a misrepresentation?

The clear implication of the ad was that the 22 rimfire was a “hunting” cartridge and the big bad .223 was a child massacring cartridge. Outright misrepresentation because most hunting cartridges are way bigger than a .223.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
12:05 pm

S. Ray — “Hmmm. We have 310 million guns in circulation…with the current run on gun shops, that number may shoot up a fair bit….that’s a lot of oversight.”

As I said, just pop ‘em on the no-fly list and cancel any CC permits they might have.

When they’re ready to come clean, then have them fill out a form with their inventory and swear to/affirm on a Federal affidavit that those are the only weapons they have. At that point, withholding information becomes a Federal offense.

resno2

January 15th, 2013
12:06 pm

Mr_B

January 15th, 2013
12:06 pm

Stevie Ray: We regulate private sales of all kinds of things: cars ,drugs, alcohol,pornography, etc. It’s not impossible, it just takes the political will to do it.

Now, back to work.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 15th, 2013
12:06 pm

Stevie, do you ever read anything and get information or even look at past threads where all of this has been discussed previously) before posting one of your silly distorted-commentary-posed-as-a-ridiculous-question posts?

getalife

January 15th, 2013
12:06 pm

The majority wants our President to act so he will act.Period.

You cons are marginalized but keep talking crazy so you stay that way.

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
12:06 pm

Writers don’t write the headlines that go over their pieces. Some editor does that.

Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom

January 15th, 2013
12:07 pm

My goodness but we have some serious paranoia going on here. Expecting a zombie attack or the UN troops invading? Which is it?

Georgia, its painful to realize that you’re in the minority ain’t it?

F. Sinkwich

January 15th, 2013
12:08 pm

“it’s not illegal to maintain a DB of people who have had instant background checks run on them at gun shops, and I bet the government already has such a list with Fishy’s name on it.”

Not quite. From the FBI:

“Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions prior to the start of the next NICS operational day.”

Adam

January 15th, 2013
12:08 pm

HDD3: Prior to the recent mass murders, where was your outrage over inner city gun violence?

Are you f***ing kidding me?

godless heathen

January 15th, 2013
12:09 pm

JHM,

then you don’t need weapons like that.

You don’t need to sit at a keyboard and spew your ill-informed opinions on a political blog all day, but we allow it in a free society.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
12:10 pm

Conservative “Does not practice actual Christianity” Christian: How much will Oblama’s plan help to curb gun violence in his hometown of Chicago?

Who’s “Oblama”? Is that the same person as He Who Must Not Be Blamed?

Fred ™

January 15th, 2013
12:10 pm

Man, Jay posted that one on the run. More formatting errors and typo’s than usual.

Hey Jay, if you make it this low, check you title, the link at the end and where your name is in the post.

good info though.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
12:12 pm

You don’t need to sit at a keyboard and spew your ill-informed opinions on a political blog all day, but we allow it in a free society.

But we don’t allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater, say whatever you want to your boss without getting fired, or use certain words or show certain things on network television.

Likewise, you also aren’t allowed to have an F-16 fighter jet or surface to air missiles.

Your rights under the first and second amendment are not unlimited, even in a free society.

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
12:12 pm

Outright misrepresentation because most hunting cartridges are way bigger than a .223.

It’s not a misrepresentation, if somebody doesn’t know squat about weapons/calibers they might not understand why a .223 is that much different than a common .22 that a friend uses for plinking.

Sad to say, but I’ve heard that argument from dishonest gun nuts.

Fred ™

January 15th, 2013
12:12 pm

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
12:04 pm

How much will Oblama’s plan help to curb gun violence in his hometown of Chicago?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Are you really this stupid, mindless, and easily lead? Have you birthers now given up that Obama was born in Kenya and your newest lie is that he was born in CHICAGO? And now he is somehow responsible for everything that has happened there since it’s founding in 1834? REALLY?

How dumb are you?

indigo

January 15th, 2013
12:12 pm

Jay, the “infinite paranoia” shown by the NRA is nothing more than an act to convince the mindless that the Government wants to go “door to door, confiscating the 180 million weapons estimated to be in public hands”

Posts from cons here show just how hugely sucessful the NRA is in this
brainwashing.

Naturally, the one and only true objective of the NRA is to keep huge profits comming in for their gun manufacturing clients.

Jm

January 15th, 2013
12:13 pm

Steve USA
Yeah

Some people can’t take a joke though

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
12:13 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Not quite. From the FBI”

Well, we will just have to change that law, now won’t we?

Fred ™

January 15th, 2013
12:14 pm

And once again we have the so called Christian spamming lies using Christ. Just damn that annoys the hell out of me. Can’t he keep his lies confined to church?

godless heathen

January 15th, 2013
12:14 pm

Godless, apparently you are ignorant of your fellow conned posting claims on prior threads that the Bushmaster is only a .22 not a .223.

But go ahead and continue to dazzle us all with your ignorance.

Well a .223 caliber Bushmaster is the same caliber as a .22 rimfire, Einstein. The cartridge and the bullet weight are different, but they are the same caliber.

Doggone/GA

January 15th, 2013
12:14 pm

“Man, Jay posted that one on the run. More formatting errors and typo’s than usual.”

It’s happened before, where Jay got in a hurry and posted a draft edition. He’ll correct it eventually.

Repro

January 15th, 2013
12:15 pm

New York just passed a common sense gun control law. But listening to all the howling from the gun nuts, you’d think that we all live in a society where we are being regularly attacked in our homes by the “bad guys”, and if it weren’t for our personal arsenals, we’d all be dead by now.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
12:16 pm

G. Heathen — “then you don’t need weapons like that.”

FYI, that was someone else’s post. I simply reposted it and agreed with it.

“You don’t need to sit at a keyboard”

Logic Fail: Heathen. I asserted no such need.

“and spew your ill-informed opinions on a political blog all day”

When you spot allegedly ‘ill-informed’ coming from me, you let me know, son. I’ll be glad to take you on.

Fred ™

January 15th, 2013
12:17 pm

Jm

January 15th, 2013
11:27 am
Obama: I have binders full of old white men
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

LOL that was funny. (I’m reading the blog from bottom to top).

Golf Clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjHT5GpAYQ

straitroad

January 15th, 2013
12:17 pm

Old laws don’t matter to criminals and any new laws or orders from Obama won’t mean anything to them either. Jay, why do you think another restriction on those of us who believe in the rule of law will matter one ioda to the criminal element? Liberals have been soft on crime for years and now want to lecture everyone on how to curb violence. The reason you get so much resistance from gun owners is because they know your true intentions.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
12:19 pm

godless: Well a .223 caliber Bushmaster is the same caliber as a .22 rimfire, Einstein. The cartridge and the bullet weight are different, but they are the same caliber.

Which contributes only mud to the conversation, as that point is neither here nor there in the big picture.

indigo

January 15th, 2013
12:19 pm

straitroad – “they know your true intentions”

And those are?

Adam

January 15th, 2013
12:20 pm

straitroad: Old laws don’t matter to criminals and any new laws or orders from Obama won’t mean anything to them either.

So we should eliminate murder, stealing, and speed limit laws.

Who’s with me?!?!?!!