Most gun owners far more reasonable than the NRA

Judging from the results of a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, a wide spectrum of Americans of both parties has reached consensus on the need for specific, common-sense actions to reduce the death toll taken by guns without intruding on Second Amendment rights granted under the Constitution.

The question is, how much power does an angry, paranoid and politically aggressive minority still wield over gun policy in this country? I suspect that we’re going to find that it’s an awful lot. The NRA’s grip on Washington is so strong that we can’t even get a director confirmed to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the agency tasked with enforcing federal gun laws. The ATF has gone leaderless since 2006, because under President Bush and now President Obama, Senate Republicans have refused to even allow a vote on the nomination.

You want another example? The ATF is forbidden by federal law to create a computer database allowing its agents to trace ownership of guns used in a crime. The search has to be done manually, in a time-eating process of phone call after phone call, and sifting through boxes of paper records. That’s because in its infinite paranoia, the NRA insists that a computerized system would violate the Second Amendment by making it easier for the government to go door to door, confiscating the 180 million weapons estimated to be in private hands.

Seriously, they think that’s going to happen.

According to the ABC/WaPo poll, most Americans don’t put much credence in that fantasy. It found that 71 percent of Americans support creation of a national gun database. That includes 61 percent of Republicans.

In addition, 65 percent of Americans — including 59 percent of Republicans — say they support a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Seventy-six percent would require a background check before a person is allowed to purchase ammunition, a figure that includes 69 percent of Republicans.

That strong bipartisan consensus breaks down only on the issue of a ban on assault weapons. Overall, 58 percent of Americans and 54 percent of independents would support such a ban, but only 45 percent of Republicans would do so.

But the most telling data in the poll involves the 44 percent of those surveyed who live in a home where guns are kept. Of that subset, 86 percent would support closing the “gun-show” loophole on background checks. Seventy-six percent of gun owners endorse a background check for ammo sales; 62 percent would back a national firearms database, and 55 percent support a ban on large-capacity magazines.

Such numbers confirm that gun owners, as a rule, are far more reasonable about common-sense approaches to gun safety than is the extremist organization that purports to represent their interests. But in the end, I’m not confident that will matter much.

– Jay Bookman

1,281 comments Add your comment

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
1:37 pm

Name me ONE long distance efficient lethal and legal weapon that isn’t a gun. GO.

That scruffy dude on The Walking Dead does pretty good with a crossbow. I wouldn’t want to be a zombie near him.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:38 pm

Guess you haven’t heard of Chicago.

Yes, Chicago, where you can drive out 15 minutes and buy a gun and bring it back and no one will inspect your belongings on entry or exit.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:38 pm

C. Grits, quoting someone else: “Gee, i don’t know…ask the Japanese Americans in 1942 what a government can do when you don’t have a means to fight back.”

I suspect that HAD the AJAs (Americans of Japanese Ancestry) decided to “fight back” in 1942, a bunch of brave Uhmurkin Patriots would have taken it on themselves to shoot every person of Asian descent they could find.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

Aquagirl: Pretty sure a crossbow is illegal. Also of note, it’s impossible to conceal and there is no such thing as a magazine for it. A lot less efficient. :)

Sagegirl

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

Sandy Hook was a tragedy. But there’s more that needs to be considered. Everyday 87 people die in gun related incidents. That’s 600 people a week. 30,000 a year. Domestic violence, robbery, car jacking, home invasion, disputes among friends are, and retaliation… just a handful of reasons where guns are involved. Guns have been the answer for generations. There’s 300 M guns in our country. People have access. It’s too easy to pull the trigger. It’s a societal problem.

There’s also the fine line between sane and insane. Someone who is sane and legal and owns a gun on Monday may not be as sane on Tuesday. It happens that quick. People snap. So do they snap and get a gun or do they get a gun and then snap?

We can only guess.

.

DownInAlbany

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

A new survey from Pew finds that, by a 2-1 margin, Americans support putting armed guards in the nation’s schools. 64% support the proposal, first floated by the NRA, against just 32% who oppose it. Even this proposal, though, has a partisan tinge to it. 62% of Democrats support the idea, but Independents are slightly less favorable, at just 59% support. 73% of Republicans, however, support the policy.

Adam, you’ve constantly harped on this issue….so, are 64% of America AND 62% of Democrats wrong? Personally, I hate that our great country has gotten to the point that this is part of the conversation…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

Well, ain’t nothing wrong with using some common sense about firearms. I mean, I got a 4-year-old in the trailer and it might be bad news if he got hold of one of my machine guns or the anti-tank weapon. So I carry around the bolts for the machine guns and the firing thing-a-magig for the anti-tank weapon. Maybe when he’s a couple years older I can let him try them out, but for right now I ain’t taking no chances.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

1: WHAT IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON?

Only conservatives (deliberately) don’t know the answer to this one. They think they win by bringing up semantics.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

Enter your comments here

td

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

You progressives are such idiots and do not have a clue about guns. I hunt with a 30.06 and have a 20 round clip. My 30.06 looks nothing like the bushmaster and is therefore not on any current list to be banned. The 30.06 is way more lethal then the .223 round and is more accurate at a longer distance.

This whole argument about what weapons to ban is nothing more then a feel good argument again just like raising taxes on the rich did nothing to reduce our deficit problem was a feel good measure for the poor. It is sad how you progressive fall for this BS.

rightwingextreme

January 15th, 2013
1:40 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:36 pm
The sickening thing is Oblama is going to trot out children to try and push his anti-gun agenda……

The really sickening thing is you will let more of them die

Instead of doing something

When dimlibs start caring about the unborn child who is truely defenseless person, then I’ll believe dimlibs give a rat’s behind about child safety. Planned Parenthood admitted to murdering 300,000+ unborn childern this year.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:40 pm

Adam — “there is no such thing as a magazine for it”

Au contraire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow

Mamouian

January 15th, 2013
1:40 pm

This guy Adam… He seems to live here and know everything. Wow, impressive…

Paul

January 15th, 2013
1:40 pm

rightwingextreme

You know, you really don’t do much for the ‘my group really is sane’ argument when you post

“Gee, i don’t know…ask the Japanese Americans in 1942 what a government can do when you don’t have a means to fight back.”

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:40 pm

“where you can drive out 15 minutes and buy a gun ”

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like another ignorant poster who knows NOTHING about Illinois law.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:41 pm

“Only conservatives (deliberately) don’t know the answer to this one. ”

And libs can’t answer the question.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:41 pm

DIA — “A new survey from Pew finds that, by a 2-1 margin, Americans support putting armed guards in the nation’s schools.”

Provided somebody else pays for it? :D

rightwingextreme

January 15th, 2013
1:41 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:38 pm
C. Grits, quoting someone else: “Gee, i don’t know…ask the Japanese Americans in 1942 what a government can do when you don’t have a means to fight back.”

I suspect that HAD the AJAs (Americans of Japanese Ancestry) decided to “fight back” in 1942, a bunch of brave Uhmurkin Patriots would have taken it on themselves to shoot every person of Asian descent they could find.

Nice dodge on the point.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

A new survey from Pew finds that, by a 2-1 margin, Americans support putting armed guards in the nation’s schools. 64% support the proposal

An even greater majority supports an assault weapons ban.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

Christian Conservative: Not true. Look at Switzerland, Finland and Sweden….

All those countries do is show that gun availability that is tightly controlled can ALSO have a reduction in gun crimes. But it does NOT show that “reducing gun availability reduces gun violence” is untrue. You have committed a formal logical fallacy.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

“Planned Parenthood admitted to murdering 300,000+ unborn childern this year.”

They don’t count because libs don’t think they’re real human beings.

td

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

1: WHAT IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON?

Only conservatives (deliberately) don’t know the answer to this one. They think they win by bringing up semantics.

Please explain it to us? Like I said below my semi auto 30.06 is more lethal then the AR-15 and it is not even being discussed.

Seriously Folks

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

Sooo…the Second Amendment is sacred and canNOT be infringed upon…because our fore-fathers were worried about government tyranny… I have said this before…CONTEXT…yes, our Constitution is an amazing document, but it was written in a time when we were under constant threat of being a very short lived experiment and imminent threat from abroad and at home. Also, I seem to remember that there was a mass “confiscation” of armaments after the Civil War (or as most of you refer to as “The War of Northern Aggression”)…

So my question to those “constitutional scholars” on here…are you prepared to tell every African American and female in this country that their “second amendment right” is not valid?? I mean, seriously..you all refer to it in its original form, but you DO realize the CONTEXT was in a time when people who make up over 50% of our current population (women) and 40% (minorities) were considered second class citizens without a vote or voice…

Given the “passion” of some of the posters, I would shudder to think your stances on extending those rights for womens suffrage, civil rights movements…oh wait..nevermind…all it will take is a blog on “gay marriage” for you to show how “inclusive” you like your constitution!!!!

stands for decibels

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Not true. Look at Switzerland, Finland and Sweden….

Let’s look at Switzerland (and Israel.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/mythbusting-israel-and-switzerland-are-not-gun-toting-utopias/

The gun ownership in Israel and Switzerland has decreased.

For instance, in Israel, they’re very limited in who is able to own a gun. There are only a few tens of thousands of legal guns in Israel, and the only people allowed to own them legally live in the settlements, do business in the settlements, or are in professions at risk of violence.

Both countries require you to have a reason to have a gun. There isn’t this idea that you have a right to a gun. You need a reason. And then you need to go back to the permitting authority every six months or so to assure them the reason is still valid.

The second thing is that there’s this widespread misunderstanding that Israel and Switzerland promote gun ownership. They don’t. Ten years ago, when Israel had the outbreak of violence, there was an expansion of gun ownership, but only to people above a certain rank in the military. There was no sense that having ordinary citizens [carry guns] would make anything safer.

Switzerland has also been moving away from having widespread guns. The laws are done canton by canton, which is like a province. Everyone in Switzerland serves in the army, and the cantons used to let you have the guns at home. They’ve been moving to keeping the guns in depots. That means they’re not in the household, which makes sense because the literature shows us that if the gun is in the household, the risk goes up for everyone in the household.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

“An even greater majority supports an assault weapons ban.”

What’s an assault weapon?

Towncrier

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

“That’s a nice piece of reasoning, but given that Congress possesses the power to *call out, control and regulate* the militia (this being the same militia as that noted in the 2A), I think you’d have a hard time defending that position.”

At the time of the writing and ratification of the 2nd Amendment, the militia in view is a state militia (as evidenced by the very language of the amendment itself). Indeed, until the 20th century, the bulk of the US military was comprised of state militias.

“When one also considers that advocating or conspiring to overthrow the government of the US by force is a Federal felony, I think your construction falls flat on its face. It’s rather hard to argue that there’s a Constitutional right to do something that’s a felony at the same time.”

I can only refer you to the Declaration of Independence. What the same people who drafted and ratified the Constitution did was conspire and fight to overthrow the British government. Are you arguing that these same men would claim such an act was no longer permissible, that they had turned into hypocrites? Secondly, are you saying that the many statements we have pertaining to the right to bear arms for defense of one’s person and possessions and against tyranny by our “founding fathers” have no bearing on the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Pretty sure a crossbow is illegal.

Owning one is not illegal, but there are certainly restrictions for their use in hunting, generally along the lines of being disabled.

In Ga. there are no restrictions beginning in 2003.

rightwingextreme

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm
“Planned Parenthood admitted to murdering 300,000+ unborn childern this year.”

They don’t count because libs don’t think they’re real human beings.

Very true….and they can’t be used as props in a photo opp like bammy’s gonna use tomorrow.

td

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:42 pm

A new survey from Pew finds that, by a 2-1 margin, Americans support putting armed guards in the nation’s schools. 64% support the proposal

An even greater majority supports an assault weapons ban.

What is an assault weapon?

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Adam

Because even if we enforce all the gun laws with extreme prejudice, there are still legal loopholes that are very easy to use to legally obtain weapons, and enforcement of murder laws always happens after the fact.

What loopholes? Please if your going to make a statement explain yourself. Just because you say loophole certainly don’t mean its true.

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
1:43 pm

Aquagirl: Pretty sure a crossbow is illegal.

Well $#!^, there go my plans for the Zombie Apocalypse. :)

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:44 pm

Statistically speaking you are far safer with no guns in your house.

But you could never convince the NRA nuts of that.

More guns = More gun violence

Its pretty simple.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:44 pm

“Please explain it to us? Like I said below my semi auto 30.06 is more lethal then the AR-15 and it is not even being discussed.”

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!

There is NO such thing as an assault weapon. It’s another “phrase” like “war on women.”

ANY gun can be considered an assault weapon.

JamVet

January 15th, 2013
1:44 pm

Armed guards at every single school in this republic is so preposterous, it is beyond amazing that ostensibly intelligent adults have even suggested it.

Why?

What is the logical conclusion?

Armed guards at every place of business, commerce, entertainment, house of worship, organization, government building, park, transportation station and everywhere else where people could possibly be at danger for a lunatic with a huge arsenal.

Look, I know you American Nazis want a police state, but this ain’t the answer. It is terrible joke…

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:45 pm

Use Spellcheck please: WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like another ignorant poster who knows NOTHING about Illinois law.

1) Show me any other person who was ignorant of Illinois law here
2) Go ahead and educate me? Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass? What Illinois State law are you talking about?

And libs can’t answer the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms.

Cue the “Wikipedia can’t be used because I SAY SO” WAAAAAHMBULANCE moving of the goal posts at warp nine, but what you CANNOT say anymore is that I couldn’t answer the question.

Checkmate.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:45 pm

“More guns = More gun violence”

Blame Hollywood and video games.

ugafan13

January 15th, 2013
1:45 pm

Go to a gun show and buy from a dealer and you will go through a background check. Private sales on the other hand require no check. By the way more murders are committed with hammers and bats than guns. NY just made criminals out of their citizens for owning a mag that holds more than 7 rounds. Where does it stop? I have no objection to background checks and requiring all sales to go through an FFL holder.

Paul

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

“Planned Parenthood admitted to murdering 300,000+ unborn childern this year”

aaannnnddd… the attempt at being a Roman Catholic theologian comes up again…..

JohnnyReb

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

While there would be exceptions in the Moonbat ranks, make no mistake the goal of their coalition is to ban guns. Jay and others here may not join that position, but if the Liberal machine could take all the guns, they would.

The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. Statements from the Left on not banning hunting guns are a red herring. We do not need anymore gun laws or bypassing the Constitution with executive orders. A gun is an inantimate object.

Obama is a snake. Don’t ever doubt it. Don’t believe what he says, watch what he does. He’s also the lowest form of scum as President I have seen in my 66 years surpassing the lying Bill Clinton Have doubts about that – show me one other who has stooped to the level of involving children in trying to sell the trampling of the Constitution?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

This whole argument about what weapons to ban is nothing more then a feel good argument…

Robert and Mary Schindler say, “What?”

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

R. W. Extreme — “Nice dodge on the point.”

Nice lack of historical knowledge on your part.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

“Show me any other person who was ignorant of Illinois law here”

YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDUCATE YOURSELF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm

There were armed guards at Columbine.

This whole more guns makes you safer is one of the dumbest arguments on record.

If guns made you safe America would be the safest place on Earth.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:47 pm

“an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms.”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rightwingextreme

January 15th, 2013
1:47 pm

Paul

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm
“Planned Parenthood admitted to murdering 300,000+ unborn childern this year”

aaannnnddd… the attempt at being a Roman Catholic theologian comes up again…..

aaannndddd you would be so wrong. Just a plain ol’ Christian.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:47 pm

Christian Conservative: What loopholes? Please if your going to make a statement explain yourself. Just because you say loophole certainly don’t mean its true.

Private sellers are not required to do background checks. Firearms manufacturers are still allowed to build and sell assault rifles. People are still allowed to purchase them legally and then sell or give them to anyone else privately, according to a loophole in the law that says they are required to intend NOT to do that, but can change their minds nanoseconds after acquiring the weapon, and can’t be prosecuted.

Towncrier

January 15th, 2013
1:48 pm

“All those countries do is show that gun availability that is tightly controlled can ALSO have a reduction in gun crimes. But it does NOT show that “reducing gun availability reduces gun violence” is untrue. ”

Let’s not “cherry pick” our evidence. I think Brazil, for instance, demonstrates how gun control fails.

moonbat betty

January 15th, 2013
1:48 pm

We need to get medieval on their ass.

In addition to controls on assault riffles, any perp in possession of illegal weapons shall have their hands lopped off with dull hedge clippers on msnbc.

If we get enough hands off the streets, they can no longer do any harm.

sfd,

I was sad to see Jay ban you and I forgive you. Thanks for being a man and jumping on the grenade for “the cause”.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:48 pm

Adam doesn’t know anything about Illinois law so he goes and finds a fake definition of an assault weapon.

Hilarious.

rightwingextreme

January 15th, 2013
1:48 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:46 pm
R. W. Extreme — “Nice dodge on the point.”

Nice lack of historical knowledge on your part.

ok..i’ll play….where am i bereft of historical knowledge on this point?

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:48 pm

Use Spellcheck please: Blame Hollywood and video games.

Will you blame the NRA shooting game app too?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yuck it up, child :) I answered your asinine question.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:49 pm

moonbat betty

Most people who commit violent crimes are democrat voters. Why else would Hillary want felons to vote?

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:49 pm

Use spellcheck please: Adam doesn’t know anything about Illinois law so he goes and finds a fake definition of an assault weapon.

Neither do you. Or you would have cited the state law that proves me wrong.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:49 pm

“Will you blame the NRA shooting game app too?’

No, because more people watch violent movies than download that app.

Try again.

moonbat betty

January 15th, 2013
1:49 pm

DEPORT GUNS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!!!

JamVet

January 15th, 2013
1:49 pm

Blame Hollywood and video games.

Wrong.

Blame the people who are addicted to them and gleefully spend zillions of dollars a year on that glorified violence and filth

If there was no market for them, they would not be so gargantuanly popular. The reality is that people are easily manipulated and Madison Avenue knows it and capitalizes on it.

People need to quit looking for bogeymen and look in the mirror.

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

Don’t see anything illegal about requiring gun manufactureres and dealers from keeping lists of serial numbers of guns and names of purchasers and making those lists available to law enforcement personel.
Or the law forbiding the state or feds from keeping a data base could be changed
Sounds like it’s time for one of those thinges to be done

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

A con shoulder fires (in a very remote and unpopulated region) his newly constructed fully automatic 0.700 caliber elephant rifle with 50-round magazine. In what position is the con after 10 seconds, 30 seconds and one minute? What did he hit as opposed to what the bullets hit during each time interval? Please submit a YouTube video in support of your claims to ajc.com in care of Jay for our viewing pleasure.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

Most people who commit violent crimes are democrat voters.

Eric Robert Rudolph says, “What?”

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

Use spellcheck please: Most people who commit violent crimes are democrat voters

Prove it.

stands for decibels

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

I used to spend a fair amount of time with Swiss folks (business.) I’d been told that, basically, while the govt. did arm a lot of its citizens (due to their membership in a kind of army reserve), that the govt. — quoting a former colleague — “knew where every bullet was kept.”

The relevant wiki page seems to back this up–emphasis mine:

Prior to 2007 members of the Swiss Militia were supplied with 50 rounds of ammunition for their military weapon in a sealed ammo box that was regularly audited by the government. This was so that, in the case of an emergency, the militia could respond quickly. However, since 2007 this practice has been discontinued. Only 2,000 specialist militia members (who protect airports and other sites of particular sensitivity) are permitted to keep their military-issued ammunition at home. The rest of the militia get their ammunition from their military armory in the event of an emergency.[11]

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:50 pm

“Neither do you.”

I posted a wiki page of Illinois gun laws. Not my problem if you’re illiterate.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

Towncrier: I think Brazil, for instance, demonstrates how gun control fails.

Have you examined what they did differently than the other nations?

Erwin's cat

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

Just like tough DUI laws dont stop every DUI fatality.

But they cut them in half.

No they didn’t. traffic fatalities as a whole was cut in half over the same period.

Paul

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

“If guns made you safe America would be the safest place on Earth.”

That was great, Cheesy Grits.

moonbat betty

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

“Blame the people who are addicted to them and gleefully spend zillions of dollars a year on that glorified violence and filth”

Absolutely,

Unbelievable parents use this crap as a baby sitter.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

“Blame the people who are addicted to them and gleefully spend zillions of dollars a year on that glorified violence and filth”

yeah, Hollywood.

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
1:51 pm

Adam

All those countries do is show that gun availability that is tightly controlled can ALSO have a reduction in gun crimes. But it does NOT show that “reducing gun availability reduces gun violence” is untrue. You have committed a formal logical fallacy.

No it shows that if the general public realizes that most folks are packing then violent crime will certainly drop. Think about this sport. Would you take a stroll in the woods if you know that bears may be there?
You have committed a form logical idiocy.

Aquagirl

January 15th, 2013
1:52 pm

By the way more murders are committed with hammers and bats than guns.

Why do people with UGA in their handle have to embarrass the university so badly? I really wish UGA would start suing these people for misrepresentation of having a brain.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:52 pm

“People need to quit looking for bogeymen and look in the mirror.’

I agree with that.

td

January 15th, 2013
1:52 pm

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:47 pm

What is a assault rifle? Tell me why my semi auto 30.06 is not an assault rifle and a AR-15 is?

moonbat betty

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

“If guns made you safe America would be the safest place on Earth.”

or you could also turn around and say:

If guns were outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Paul

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

rightwingextreme

“aaannndddd you would be so wrong. Just a plain ol’ Christian.”

So… you ready to test how consistent your views are compared to say, the consistency of the Roman Catholic church, on this matter?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

No, because more people watch violent movies than download that app.

People watch violent Hollywood movies in Japan too

Funny though they dont have a problem

Its not movies. Its the guns

stands for decibels

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

I was sad to see Jay ban you

Thanks. But–I think we can all agree he was correct to do so.

He’d just posted “cease all personal insults” and then I went and posted a personal insult.

(It hardly mattered that I didn’t see Jay’s post prior to my hitting “submit”–ignorance is no excuse.)

Oscar

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

Don’t know that psychotic killers vote much

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

I really wish UGA would start suing these people for misrepresentation of having a brain.

Word.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

Use spellcheck please: Yes and nothing in the Illinois law says that a person cannot exit Chicago, go 15 minutes out, legally purchase a firearm, and then illegally transport it back because there is no enforcement stopping them. Which is the exact point I was making. So it looks like you’re the one who is ignorant of Illinois state law.

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

I’m wondering what folks are going to make of Oblama using children as props for his gun control push… He did it for Obamacare… The public is still souring over that….

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:53 pm

“I really wish UGA would start suing these people for misrepresentation of having a brain.”

?

DownInAlbany

January 15th, 2013
1:54 pm

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

1: WHAT IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON?

Only conservatives (deliberately) don’t know the answer to this one. They think they win by bringing up semantics.

When you can’t or refuse to answer the question, yes. How is NY defining an assault weapon as one that has a pistol grip, bi-pod or bayonnet mount going to keep anyone safe?

JamVet

January 15th, 2013
1:54 pm

Sockpuppet meat you are so gutless, you will always blame someone else. – the hated gubment, Hollywood, the schools, your mommy and daddy.

YOU and I are the problem.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:55 pm

“Yes and nothing in the Illinois law says that a person cannot exit Chicago, go 15 minutes out,”

You have to have a FOID card to buy a gun in Illinois. To buy one, you go through an extensive background check, can not have a criminal record etc.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:55 pm

“Sockpuppet meat you are so gutless, you will always blame someone else. ”

You mean like when your side blames the NRA for criminals who buy/steal guns illegally?

Towncrier

January 15th, 2013
1:56 pm

“So, can someone please explain, how the US being the most heavily armed nation doesn’t have more people getting murdered with guns than say Brazil with 8 guns per 100 residents?”

I don’t think you will receive an explanation here. It is, as you say, an “inconvenient fact” (as you see with Adam’s deflection).

moonbat betty

January 15th, 2013
1:56 pm

define “arms”

am I allowed to bare my pythons?

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:56 pm

When you can’t or refuse to answer the question, yes. How is NY defining an assault weapon as one that has a pistol grip, bi-pod or bayonnet mount going to keep anyone safe?

1) I answered the question
2) That is a new question, and moving the goal posts
3) The ANSWER to your question (which you may have just skipped in preference for knee-jerk reaction to my number 2 point) is that guns of those types will become less available. Partly because millions of potential customers will not be buying.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 15th, 2013
1:56 pm

I’m wondering what folks are going to make of Oblama using children as props for his gun control push…

Alot less than your type doing nothing and dooming more of them to die.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:57 pm

Towncrier

Adam deflects because he doesn’t know Illinois law. You can NOT go 15 mins outside the city and buy a gun.

TaxPayer

January 15th, 2013
1:57 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 15th, 2013
1:57 pm

Towncrier — “At the time of the writing and ratification of the 2nd Amendment, the militia in view is a state militia (as evidenced by the very language of the amendment itself).”

Disagree. Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution specifically grants Congress the authority to call out, regulate and provide for the militia. That’d be the same militia mentioned in the 2A, unless you have a cogent argument to the contrary.

“I can only refer you to the Declaration of Independence. What the same people who drafted and ratified the Constitution did was conspire and fight to overthrow the British government.”

All very well, but you appear to be arguing that the American Constitution grants a right to overthrow the *American* government, not the *British* colonial government.

“Are you arguing that these same men would claim such an act was no longer permissible, that they had turned into hypocrites?”

Not at all. I’m pointing out that the Founders didn’t see any *right* to armed revolution, at least one that they ever addressed as a Constitutional one. They spoke of it many times as being a *duty,* and there are isolated instances of it being referred to as a “right,” but never in a Constitutional manner or in any kind of explicit, documented way. Again, it seems illogical for us to have a “right” to do something that’s a felony. If we had a right to it, then wouldn’t David Koresh’s followers have a hell of a case against the federal government? How about Tim McVeigh?

“Secondly, are you saying that the many statements we have pertaining to the right to bear arms for defense of one’s person and possessions and against tyranny by our “founding fathers” have no bearing on the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?”

I’m saying that the 2A speaks to membership in a duly constituted and regulated *militia.* And as far as personal ownership of firearms is concerned, I don’t believe the 2A was written or intended to support such a right. Such a right appears in at least two *state* constitutions or statements of rights (VA and PA) during the Colonial period, so if the Founders had wanted such a Federal right, then IMO they’d have put it in there. FWIW, I think the best one can logically do is to argue that personal ownership of firearms is an *unenumerated* right, and/or that states could explicitly grant it themselves. I don’t have any problem with the right being elaborated upon in either of those ways, and as you know, I’m a gun owner myself.

Use Spellcheck please

January 15th, 2013
1:57 pm

“I answered the question”

No you didn’t.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:58 pm

With all the people asking what an assault rifle is or what an assault weapon is, I assume they are not gun owners. I also assume they are repeating a semantic question on cue from some right wing talk radio or other “news” source. Too many saying it verbatim.

Scooter

January 15th, 2013
1:58 pm

Nothing like being lectured about gun control by an administration that supported Operation Fast and Furious.

Towncrier

January 15th, 2013
1:58 pm

“Have you examined what they did differently than the other nations?”

Have you? The burden of proof is upon YOU, my friend – since YOU are the one who wants to ban guns and trample upon a long standing right of “the people”.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
1:59 pm

Use spellcheck please: “I answered the question”

No you didn’t.

Yes I did, for everyone to see. You may not like the ANSWER, but it was an ANSWER, nonetheless.

Christian Conservative

January 15th, 2013
2:00 pm

Adam:

Private sellers are not required to do background checks. How is it possible for any law to prevent this. Do you honestly think someone will be willing to go to all the trouble of filling out tax papers and all the other ridiculous regulations that would go along with this? So I, as an individual should have to get a background check for a friend I’ve known my whole life so you libs will sleep better at night.

Firearms manufacturers are still allowed to build and sell assault rifles. This is called Capitalism.

People are still allowed to purchase them legally and then sell or give them to anyone else privately, according to a loophole in the law that says they are required to intend NOT to do that, but can change their minds nanoseconds after acquiring the weapon, and can’t be prosecuted. Refer back to question #1…..

Jay

January 15th, 2013
2:00 pm

BTW, I apologize for the semi-garbled post, which has been fixed. I’ve been working on a column for tomorrow’s dead-tree edition of the AJC, and didn’t notice that I had left some of my notes on the post. We don’t have editors for these blogs, which can bite you on the rear at times.

Stevie Ray

January 15th, 2013
2:00 pm

DownInAlbany

January 15th, 2013
1:39 pm

I agree with guards but they can be counted on to perhaps address class skippers and oversee fire drills but have not proven to be effective in preventing anything of magnitude.

How on earth can anyone compare controls on drunk drivers to controls on gun ownership? I know Jay did but IMO his comparison exhibited no relevance. The numbers aren’t comparable…drunk drivers to gun owners, the medium is not comparable, and one is an intentional act versus versus an altered unintentional consequence.

Adam

January 15th, 2013
2:00 pm

Go ahead guys, keep asking question after question after I answer your first questions, as though you are actually accomplishing something. Spin your wheels :) Go hamsters, GO! Make sure to pick up your per-blog-post paycheck so you can pay momma for renting out her basement. :)