Most gun owners far more reasonable than the NRA
Judging from the results of a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, a wide spectrum of Americans of both parties has reached consensus on the need for specific, common-sense actions to reduce the death toll taken by guns without intruding on Second Amendment rights granted under the Constitution.
The question is, how much power does an angry, paranoid and politically aggressive minority still wield over gun policy in this country? I suspect that we’re going to find that it’s an awful lot. The NRA’s grip on Washington is so strong that we can’t even get a director confirmed to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the agency tasked with enforcing federal gun laws. The ATF has gone leaderless since 2006, because under President Bush and now President Obama, Senate Republicans have refused to even allow a vote on the nomination.
You want another example? The ATF is forbidden by federal law to create a computer database allowing its agents to trace ownership of guns used in a crime. The search has to be done manually, in a time-eating process of phone call after phone call, and sifting through boxes of paper records. That’s because in its infinite paranoia, the NRA insists that a computerized system would violate the Second Amendment by making it easier for the government to go door to door, confiscating the 180 million weapons estimated to be in private hands.
Seriously, they think that’s going to happen.
According to the ABC/WaPo poll, most Americans don’t put much credence in that fantasy. It found that 71 percent of Americans support creation of a national gun database. That includes 61 percent of Republicans.
In addition, 65 percent of Americans — including 59 percent of Republicans — say they support a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Seventy-six percent would require a background check before a person is allowed to purchase ammunition, a figure that includes 69 percent of Republicans.
That strong bipartisan consensus breaks down only on the issue of a ban on assault weapons. Overall, 58 percent of Americans and 54 percent of independents would support such a ban, but only 45 percent of Republicans would do so.
But the most telling data in the poll involves the 44 percent of those surveyed who live in a home where guns are kept. Of that subset, 86 percent would support closing the “gun-show” loophole on background checks. Seventy-six percent of gun owners endorse a background check for ammo sales; 62 percent would back a national firearms database, and 55 percent support a ban on large-capacity magazines.
Such numbers confirm that gun owners, as a rule, are far more reasonable about common-sense approaches to gun safety than is the extremist organization that purports to represent their interests. But in the end, I’m not confident that will matter much.
– Jay Bookman
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
1,281 comments Add your comment
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:18 pm
Fred,
“Do you or have you ever owned any firearms, ie rifle, shotgun or pistol? Do you or have you ever hunted? Have you ever shot a fire arm?”
That is an interesting question, Fred.
I wish one of Obama’s “Press Corps” would ask Obama that sometime out of the blue.
USA Patriot
January 15th, 2013
9:19 pm
Mr._B – Kudos to your compliment of Mama, I agree. And, kudos to you on your considerate post.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:19 pm
1101!
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
9:20 pm
“The whole history of our nation has been determined, imeoiuo, by the ability of that document to meet the issues of the changing and evolving state and society”
And that is the true genius of the Founding Fathers. That they knew that document would have to accomodate changes they could not see themselves. And that is one reason I’m not terribly hopeful about the “Arab Spring” revolts. If all they end up doing is developing a governing document that is NOT flexible they are doomed to regress to what they overthrew.
USA Patriot
January 15th, 2013
9:20 pm
Moonbat, he’d have to turn around and ask his secret service guys. HA!
Matti
January 15th, 2013
9:20 pm
It is not just in the squandering of limited natural resources, or the ongoing pollution of environmental factors we need to survive, that make our most precious “way of life” unsustainable.
It’s us. It’s what we value and embrace, what entertains us, and what motivates us. It’s our heads, hearts, and traditions. Our way of life is simply unsustainable. Our society will crumble and fall, like so many have before us. And when that happens, it’ll be our own fault.
That being said…. Hey, it’s a great day in America, everybody! Make every day count. Love ya!
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
9:21 pm
Thanks to you too, RS
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 15th, 2013
9:23 pm
Fred
John Carter is nowhere near as bad as the reviewers said. I think they tried to remain true to the book while trying to mainstream it. Don’t expect too much and it’ll be a worthwhile bit of escapism.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
9:24 pm
You served and should be proud. I’m proud of you.
Well unless you are John Kerry and then he’s not so proud of your service. You are not Kerry are you?
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:25 pm
Moonbat Betty: I think President Obama learned to fire an AK47, make bombs and strap explosives to his body when he went to that “radical Muslim School” when he was in Indonesia………… he probably wasn’t old enough at the time for the RPG lessons.
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:25 pm
B,
Thank you for your words but I too sometimes find it hard to control my frustration.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on full autos.
I think we could agree on a process by which we could recognize a change is needed in the constitution and most likely on a compromise change.
The bigger point to me is that when we make arguments based on beliefs rather than fact we open up the very real possibility of what Jay seems to think we will never face, a totalitarian government.
Can you imagine a congressional conservative majority which would use the power to make you declare a religion because its good for the overall country ?
Towncrier
January 15th, 2013
9:25 pm
“Again, if the federal government must always be vulnerable to violent overthrow — if privately owned weapons are really the biggest thing standing between us and tyranny, as many NRA “patriots” like to claim — then what is the constitutional basis for banning any militarily useful weapon?”
None. I am not an NRA member and do not own a gun. But that is the LOGICAL (not practical or desirable) conclusion of understanding the 2nd Amendment to guarantee the right to bear arms for (among other things) defense against tyranny. If “the people” don’t like that, then they should amend the Constitution accordingly – not pretend it doesn’t say that or ignore its meaning. That is how one complies with a contract (which the Constitution is) or standard.
Brosephus™
January 15th, 2013
9:27 pm
Old Goober @ 9:03
Amen! I’ve tried to stress the importance of the vote here to deafening silence. Seems that the gung ho freedom fighters forget that they can avoid the fight altogether by exercising the voting option.
Mick
January 15th, 2013
9:27 pm
recon
The legend in his own mind; too bad your words reveal your true identity which is mostly all talk, no substance, sprinkled with juvenile name calling – you the man…
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:27 pm
Kam: I’ll give it another whirl then. I surfed into about 5 minutes of it again last night and it didn’t look so awful as it did the first time lol. I never read the comics so I have no preconceived notion.
I WAS going to go see Django this morning but got lazy. 6 bucks at the Movie Tavern PLUS they serve beer………..
Mr_B
January 15th, 2013
9:29 pm
USA: no thanks necessary. It’s called “civil discourse” and in my generation it was generally the norm.
I’m out for the night. It’s been interesting.
A Saw An Image Of Jesus In A Burrito
January 15th, 2013
9:29 pm
More guns….No problems……….
William Billy The Kid
Jesus is at Taco Bell
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:30 pm
Fred lol, maybe not, but the Underground Weathermen or whatever they called themselves may have.
I want to see Obama club a King Salmon over the head like Palin!
Can he do it!?
Recon 0311 2533
January 15th, 2013
9:31 pm
“Well unless you are John Kerry and then he’s not so proud of your service. You are not Kerry are you?”
Nope….but John Kerry isn’t really proud of his own service, so he denigrated the service of others.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:32 pm
Kerry sucks.
Sorry, but it is true.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 15th, 2013
9:32 pm
Seems that the gung ho freedom fighters forget that they can avoid the fight altogether by exercising the voting option.
Word.
It also seems these same freedom fighters are ignoring that our founding fathers were also p*ssed off about the lack of representation that was prevalent in their time but today were are overly voter represented from city/county council to president.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:32 pm
I want to see Obama club a King Salmon over the head like Palin!
Can he do it!?
I dunno but I’ll bet he can still roll a “Bob Marley” like nobodies business……..
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:32 pm
Bro,
I guess we wouldn’t be posting if we didn’t disagree.
The vote is very important, I agree. But in today’s world you can cast aside any idea of it being the process by which change is made.
To simply say vote and it will change is to completely ignore the fact that the two major parties own the election process. Good luck getting a real moderate for the people rep. It will not happen under tis system.
Recon 0311 2533
January 15th, 2013
9:33 pm
” you the man…”
Mikhail that you wished you were…I’m sorry for you.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:33 pm
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:32 pm
Kerry sucks.
Sorry, but it is true.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
I am Fred ™ and I approved this message.
A Saw An Image Of Jesus In A Burrito
January 15th, 2013
9:35 pm
I fought the law and the law won!
Kevin Pimp Daddy Federline
Jesus is at Taco Bell!
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:35 pm
Voter representation ? Seriously ? Which party brings it mine or yours ?
Georgia
January 15th, 2013
9:35 pm
To point to the historical reasons to keep the second amendment, and ignore the modern evidence for it’s repeal is to say that circumstances never change. Who is against the assault weapons ban? NRA. KKK. Secesh. Tea Party. (the same people threaten to rebel every time America realizes it needs to correct itself)
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:36 pm
Goodnight Kam, I am sleepy I can’t argue anymore
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
Voter representation ? Seriously ?
If you don’t go to the polls, it’s your fault and not mine.
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
“Nope….but John Kerry isn’t really proud of his own service, so he denigrated the service of others”
Don’t you EVER get tired of repeating the same old lies?
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
Mama Says: I would tend to disagree. The left went way overboard and they lost their asses for a while to the right. But then the Right started listening to THEIR lunatic fringe, thanks in great part to talk radio IMHO, and meanwhile the left moderated some. HOPEFULLY the right will pull their heads out of their collective asses and listen to their more moderate members. If both parties will COMPROMISE then stuff will get done.
I prefer to remain hopeful.
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
Georgia,
What is an assault weapon ?
Mr Right
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
So the big lie wasn’t a lie at all! Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China!
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
9:38 pm
Well unless you are John Kerry and then he’s not so proud of your service
That was uncalled for Keep. Jus sayin………
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:39 pm
Dang Kam,
You have to be kidding !
I do vote. My options are republican and democrat and the occasional other.
You think that’s change ? Really ?
A Saw An Image Of Jesus In A Burrito
January 15th, 2013
9:39 pm
Russian Roulette is the national pastime! It beat out Baseball in 1903
“¡Yo quiero Taco Bell!
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:39 pm
Mr Right
January 15th, 2013
9:37 pm
So the big lie wasn’t a lie at all! Chrysler is going to build Jeeps in China!
+++++++++++++++++++++++
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Thankfully one can’t waste what one never had……..
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:40 pm
Georgia,
All they need to do to the 2nd Amendment is correct the spelling on one word: BEAR.
They weren’t talking about a 4 legged devil mammal that eats people for desert!
They were saying “BARE”
as in “bare” you big guns, homeboy.
So, let us see ‘em.
Towncrier
January 15th, 2013
9:40 pm
“To point to the historical reasons to keep the second amendment, and ignore the modern evidence for it’s repeal is to say that circumstances never change.”
That’s fine. If you wish to repeal it, see if you can make that happen. But don’t twist the meaning of the Amendment to make it mean what you want it to mean.
td
January 15th, 2013
9:40 pm
keith
January 15th, 2013
6:12 pm
250,000 times at least 25.00 and still growing. And that doesnt even include our contributions to the NRA in Bookmans honor. Every time he writes about the NRA we send them a check.
I like this idea. To bad they do not post their donor list.
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:40 pm
Fred that is why I argue with Kam, I remain hopeful. Good night
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
9:42 pm
John Kerry isn’t really proud of his own service, so he denigrated the service of others.
Surrrreeee… as you claim, he isn’t proud of HIS service, so that is a denigration of YOUR service?
How silly can a grown man be and how weak. 
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
9:42 pm
“I dunno but I’ll bet he can still roll a “Bob Marley” like nobodies business”
I’d rather see him club a King Salmon in the head first though…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 15th, 2013
9:42 pm
My options are republican and democrat and the occasional other.
Can you compare your choices with those of our founding fathers?
I would venture to guess that they would and did die for your right to bitch about your choices.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
9:44 pm
Scooter, really? I clearly stated Del’s position which he has voiced here often.
Mr Right
January 15th, 2013
9:44 pm
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Thankfully one can’t waste what one never had……..
If you can’t refute the message, attack the messager!
Recon 0311 2533
January 15th, 2013
9:45 pm
How silly can a grown man be and how weak. :
Yes you are keep and I’ve often pointed it out. Carry on.
Brosephus™
January 15th, 2013
9:48 pm
Mama Says
Sometimes we agree to disagree and sometimes we agree. Just how things end up relies on the topic or suggested course of action. I will go to my grave with the belief in the power of the vote. It was powerful enough to restrict to wealthy land owners at one time and it’s still as powerful now.
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
9:48 pm
Seems that the gung ho freedom fighters forget that they can avoid the fight altogether by exercising the voting option.
And some of “freedom Fighters” Are willind to fight for our freedom in a court or law. Hence the NRA.
Adam
January 15th, 2013
9:49 pm
That Black Guy: OK:
Cross bow
Bow and arrow
blow gun
spear
throwing knife
throwing ax
boomerang
throwing star
stick of dynamite
jar of acid
IED
Wrong.
But nice try.
Mick
January 15th, 2013
9:49 pm
recon
No thanks, but I do agree your sorry, keep at it…
Georgia
January 15th, 2013
9:50 pm
The Assault Weapons Ban is just the name the media affixed to the issue. It’s idiotic of course, like Fiscal Cliff is idiotic. I’m saying that America is going to correct the mistake it made when it passed the second amendment. As we move into the future, there is no room for the armed maniacs shooting up the schools and theatres with modern ordnance.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
9:50 pm
Yes, Del, you have lost it many times with your rants and your walkoffs. But thump away.
Ftroop salute!
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
9:52 pm
Mr Right
January 15th, 2013
9:44 pm
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Thankfully one can’t waste what one never had……..
If you can’t refute the message, attack the messager!
++++++++++++++++++++
Refute WHAT message? I mean Jay frowns on correctly identifying someone with limited intelligence correctly so it limits my options with you.
NO ONE other than the idiot talk show/FOXBOT morons though has ever claimed that Chrysler WASN’T going to make Jeeps in China. Except to their brain dead idiots sheep that has never been an issue or revelation. Your “news” isn’t news, and your “controversy isn’t a controversy you silly little man.
That idiot Romney said that whatever the Italian company that owns Chrysler now was going to send ALL (get that), ALL Jeep production to China and THAT wasn’t true. It’s still not true.
So the big lie WAS a big lie. I hope you kept up, I typed that as slowly as I could because I know you are slow……….
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
9:53 pm
“I’m saying that America is going to correct the mistake it made when it passed the second amendment. ”
Don’t hold your breath though.
Adam
January 15th, 2013
9:54 pm
Cross bow – not as efficient, doesn’t fire as many projectiles as quickly. Also most likely illegal, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
Bow and arrow – even less efficient than the above, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
blow gun – not as efficient, doesn’t fire as many projectiles as quickly, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
spear – not as efficient, single projectile, not as fast, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
throwing knife – not as efficient, single projectile, not as fast, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
throwing ax – not as efficient, single projectile, slower and bulkier
boomerang – not as efficient, single projectile, not as fast, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
throwing star – not as efficient, single projectile, no guaranteed kill with a direct hit
stick of dynamite – extremely efficient, hurts, maims, or kills you too.
jar of acid – Requires much more effort to avoid accidental use on self
IED – definitely illegal, same problem as dynamite
Dharma Bum
January 15th, 2013
9:57 pm
To be honest, I’m kind of enjoying watching Alex Jones foam at the mouth over all of this…
“The New World Order is coming!”
“1776 will commence again if you try to take our guns!”
That tub of lard would get winded and keel over just from running to the gun rack!
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
9:58 pm
I guess it’s pointless.
Now you guys are acting like the dems and republicans are doing something useful.
Kam,
I don’t even know how to talk to you anymore. You are the exact reason there is no compromise. You have found some way to argue everything i say.
Now you want to say I am bitching. I believe it’s you who wants the constitution ignored and its been you on this blog every night yelling about republicans f ing the country.
Glad to see that now you like them.
Guess your next point will be that our founding fathers wanted to keep all but two parties our of the debates
Recon 0311 2533
January 15th, 2013
10:00 pm
Well we have keep up his/her loser fight and Mikhail the bolshevik on here this evening nipping at heels with sunken decayed teeth that can’t present any real competition, so I’ll say y’all have a great evening. Taps
Mama Says
January 15th, 2013
10:02 pm
Georgia,
That’s just it. Do you really believe there will be no idiots shooting up places if you get rid of the amendment ?
You see what blind liberals think is that If you proclaim something to be illegal it will prevent it from taking place. This is so untrue that the government gave up on prohibition.
Cocaine and meth cover the inner city, it’s illegal. We are now compromising the marijuana laws because we couldn’t stop it.
Why do you think criminals will stop using guns ?
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:06 pm
Recon, if you rub Keep the wrong way, you are right.
Goodnight.
Mick
January 15th, 2013
10:07 pm
recon
Thanks buddy…you sure do know how to mangle a phrase or two – worthless!
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
10:07 pm
Scooter, really? I clearly stated Del’s position which he has voiced here often.
Keep,I served during the war but never went there.I really don’t know what the deal with Kerry is all about. But I know a lot of vets that think he discredited their service and will stand with them for that.
Nduka
January 15th, 2013
10:09 pm
Let’s get real. There are so many guns and high cap magazines and so much ammo already in circulation that you could completely shut down the supply chain tomorrow and it wouldn’t matter one iota.
The NRA came up with the most viable solution to preventing gun violence in schools, which is to have an armed presence on every campus. Now we just need to implement it.
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
10:11 pm
“But I know a lot of vets that think he discredited their service and will stand with them for that”
Maybe you should make the effort to actually READ his testimony before you decide to follow them down the wrong path.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 15th, 2013
10:11 pm
Now you guys are acting like the dems and republicans are doing something useful.
Thanks for proving my point.
Our founding fathers wanted representation and you’re
bitchingcry-babying about the quality.Oscar
January 15th, 2013
10:12 pm
Scooter – The deal with Kerry is that he served and then stated that the war was a mistake and we should never have gotten involved. He was correct about that.
But some have never been willing to admit that he was right. And resent him.
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
10:12 pm
“Now we just need to implement it.”
And pay for it.
Jay
January 15th, 2013
10:12 pm
Fred, sorry, didn’t see your earlier question.
Without getting into the question of current gun ownership, I grew up in a gun-owning and gun-using household. My father taught me gun safety, including how to disassemble, clean and reassemble a firearm. I have used a variety of guns, from .22s to .45s to shotguns to a thirty-ought-six. I have hunted small game, and as a kid took the NRA hunting training course. I don’t hunt now, but I have absolutely no qualms about doing so and would probably enjoy it if I did.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
10:12 pm
Yeah right John Kerry is a stud. And Jane Fonda is a hero too……………..
Doggone/GA
January 15th, 2013
10:15 pm
“The deal with Kerry is that he served and then stated that the war was a mistake and we should never have gotten involved. He was correct about that.”
There’s more to it than that. It’s foundation is the testimony he gave of atrocities that he was told about. He clearly stated that he was repeating information he was given, but that sort of gets “forgotten” by his detractors…who have never bothered to read that testimony.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
10:15 pm
Scooter, don’t really care. The man served and despite the swift-boating deserves the same respect as any other person who serves. He also has a right to his opinion about the war and a right to freely express that. You can disagree with his opinion but you have no right disrespect his service. He risked his life as did many others.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
10:16 pm
Thanks Jay. I somehow thought that you grew up in “a house of guns” and hunters.
It lends validity to my impression that your “stand” on this issue is NOT about “taking the guns” but on what you believe to be the right thing to do to help stop as much of the senseless violence as we can. Although it’s my own personal opinion, I think that someone such as yourself who was a hunter, handled guns, took courses ect….. is more credible than someone who has never touched a gun or learned anything about them.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:22 pm
Jay 10:12 – And that is probably why Jay has a moderate, realistic view on gun “control”. lol
However, I don’t think charged questions like this promote compromise:
“The question is, how much power does an angry, paranoid and politically aggressive minority still wield over gun policy in this country?”
I mean, if it is “an angry, paranoid, aggressive minority”,
why do the libs worry about it anyway?
Jm
January 15th, 2013
10:23 pm
I wonder how long after the civil war individuals were able to hang on to cannons.
Or can they still?
Uh Huh....We Are Gunning for Change
January 15th, 2013
10:24 pm
Veronique Pozner’s son, Noah, was killed in the Newtown schools shootings
He was SHOT 11 times; HIS JAW AND HIS LEFT HAND WERE MOSTLY GONE.
He was SHOT 11 times
He was SHOT 11 times
He was SHOT 11 times
IMAGE IF THIS HAD BEEN YOUR CHILD.
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Jm
January 15th, 2013
10:26 pm
Google is amazing
Cannon superstore? Are you kidding? America is awesome. And a bit crazy.
http://www.cannonsuperstore.com/
Chicago
January 15th, 2013
10:27 pm
we should just model the country after chicagos really strict gun laws.. the kept the murder rate below 505 for the year.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
10:29 pm
All this talk of guns has gotten me riled up. Think I’ll go play COD Black Ops II and kill some electrons.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:30 pm
Uh huh…
11 times say you?
That is awful.
However, it only takes one.
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
10:30 pm
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Reload?
Fred ™
January 15th, 2013
10:31 pm
Chicago
January 15th, 2013
10:27 pm
we should just model the country after chicagos really strict gun laws.. the kept the murder rate below 505 for the year.
++++++++++++++++++++
Sweet. Atlanta kept the rate under 505 this year also.
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
10:33 pm
Maybe you should make the effort to actually READ his testimony before you decide to follow them down the wrong path.
I’ve read it Doggone.That’s why I said I don’t know the deal with him.I have several friends that were Nam vets and they feel the same as Del for what ever reason. And I would”nt engage them about it out of respect.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:34 pm
Heck,
At least now in NY, they will only shoot the child 7 times.
Sorry to be an a-hole, but this has gone way off the deep end.
Thulsa Doom
January 15th, 2013
10:35 pm
Oh Lordy, Liberals espousing the same old crap that John Kerry is proud of his Vietnam service.
Well lets just look at his own words. When the man says he committed atrocities I don’t know bout you guys but I tend to believe the man. His words folks. And no doggone. Doesn’t sound to me like he was proud of his military service.
“KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down.”
Uh Huh....We Are Gunning for Change
January 15th, 2013
10:37 pm
Veronique Pozner’s son, Noah, was killed in the Newtown schools shootings
He was SHOT 11 times; HIS JAW AND HIS LEFT HAND WERE MOSTLY GONE.
There were certain things Veronique wanted for Noah’s funeral.
She felt that his body had suffered too many indignities already;
she was adamant that he not be autopsied.
She wanted him to be buried with a Jewish prayer shawl and with a
clear stone with a white angel inside — an “angel stone” — IN EACH OF HIS HANDS.
Veronique WAS ONLY ABLE TO PUT THE STONE IN HIS RIGHT HAND BECAUSE THE
LEFT “WAS NOT ALTOGETHER THERE, ” CRYING for the first time in THIS interview.
She asked the funeral director to put the other one in the LEFT HAND SPOT.
He was SHOT 11 times
He was SHOT 11 times
11 times
11 times
THE WORLD HAS GONE MAD WHEN WE CANNOT
PROTECT OUR BABIES.
SHAME ON US.
In the middle
January 15th, 2013
10:39 pm
Gun control is a lazy response to an important issue. It is easier to pass a stupid law and go back to drinking your latte and patting yourself on the back for “doing your part” instead of doing the real work of fixing the real problem. Lib’s are just lazy.
Rule of lib – Always demand more of othewrs than you would ever demand of yourself.
Thulsa Doom
January 15th, 2013
10:40 pm
“He was SHOT 11 times
He was SHOT 11 times
He was SHOT 11 times
IMAGE IF THIS HAD BEEN YOUR CHILD.
WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?”
And that lady up here in Loganville huddled together with her 2 children as a home invader searched them out? Well imagine if this were you with your 2 children hiding in a closet as a home invader closes in on you. Know what happened? She shot that worthless piece of verming thug in the face
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
5 times she shot the thug
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
10:43 pm
But some have never been willing to admit that he was right. And resent him.
Oscar,I’m not sure but I think most of them resent that he said we commited atrosities there.
Lee
January 15th, 2013
10:44 pm
Let’s see, Bookboy thinks the NRA is “unreasonable”, but Feinstein, Schumer, and other high profile politicos who view ANY gun law as a “good first step” toward total gun confiscation are the voices of “reason”.
That old, glorious Constitution may be battered and bruised, but it has withstood the attacks of treasonous garbage for over 235 years now. For the sake of our grandchildren, we all better hope it survives another 200 years – INTACT.
So, you want to define the weaponry that the average American citizen is entitled to own? How’s this for starters, we can own any weapon that the Secret Service uses in protection of the President.
Since they carry machine guns and rocket launchers – and probably a lot of goodies that are classified – I’m up for that…
td
January 15th, 2013
10:49 pm
Jay
January 15th, 2013
8:34 pm
This whole “we have to be able to possess AR-15s cuz then we can overthrow the government” argument is truly inane.
It may be an inane argument but it is the framers original argument and is the reason for the second Amendment.
If you do not like the argument then the framers gave is a way to amend the Constitution and change the original intent. Why are you not advocating this position? This would settle the question once and for all.
JamVet
January 15th, 2013
10:52 pm
Hard to take anyone seriously who writes idiotic, made up out of thin air garbage like a “good first step” toward total gun confiscation”.
Seriously, how low an IQ does one have to have to actually write such stupidity, Lee?
Uh Huh....We Are Gunning for Change
January 15th, 2013
10:53 pm
@moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:34 pm
Heck,
At least now in NY, they will only shoot the child 7 times.
Sorry to be an a-hole, but this has gone way off the deep end.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Veronique Pozner’s son, Noah, was killed in the Newtown schools shootings
He was SHOT 11 times; HIS JAW AND HIS LEFT HAND WERE MOSTLY GONE.
Dear Noah,
YOU DID NOT DIE IN VAIN.
1 Corinthians 15:54-57
Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die, this Scripture will be fulfilled:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.
O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”
For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.
But thank God!
He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
10:56 pm
Thank you, Uh Huh…
Peace be with you.
Real Scootter
January 15th, 2013
10:57 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 15th, 2013
10:15 pm
I dont know about them disrespecting his service. I think they just feel he betrayed them.And I have’nt been here enough to see Del talking about him.
Uh Huh....We Are Gunning for Change
January 15th, 2013
11:03 pm
@Thulsa Doom
January 15th, 2013
10:40 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are “YOU” saying that NOAH’S DEATH WAS JUSTIFIED?
NOAH WAS NOT A THUG.
HE WAS SOMEBODY CHILD.
NOAH DID NOTHING TO DESERVE WHAT HAPPENDED TO HIM.
JUST BECAUSE SOME CRAZY, DEMONICALLY POSSESSED PERSON
WHO FELT HE HAD THE RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN DOES NOT MAKE
NOAH’S DEATH JUSTIFIABLE.
BUT GOD WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS ISSUE.
Uh Huh....We Are Gunning for Change
January 15th, 2013
11:05 pm
@Thulsa Doom
January 15th, 2013
10:40 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CORRECTIONS:
HE WAS SOMEBODY’S CHILD.
moonbat betty
January 15th, 2013
11:05 pm
Oh, hell!
Bobo
January 15th, 2013
11:07 pm
BOOKMAN! My gosh! Who do you think commits violent crime with guns? Statistically speaking, 99.9% of all violent gun crime is done by CRIMINALS who will have NO regard for gun laws, whatsoever. A few questions….
Do you not see how this is going to start a slippery slope of citizens purposely ignoring this government? Fortune 500 companies have already told Obama to piss up a rope with his Obama care. Passive disobedience is going to become widespread and will ultimately lead to revolution in another 20 to 30 years. Think it can’t happen? Where is the USSR now?
1) Why pass another series of expensive laws that will NEVER be able to be enforced EVER?
2) Why don’t you think this will create ANOTHER black market run by the same cartels that run the biggest business in the New World selling illegal drugs?
3) What difference does it make if I own a magazine with 20 rounds or 10?
4) What happened to ‘innocent until proven guilty’?
5) Why are there suddenly caveats to inalienable rights?
6) What choice does the NRA have but to be extreme if the far left is going to be this unreasonable?
7) Have you any concept of the division this is going to create? You clearly don’t have a grasp of the extreme resentment this is going to cause. Otherwise law-abiding citizens are going to turn on the feds and disobey the law out of spite, me included. Wyoming already raised the first middle finger and there are more coming. This will cost billions of dollars of wasted tax money and will create an endless court fight, just because you want to force an idea on people not stupid enough to stand pat and be grouped with mentally insane people.