Gingrey, Broun would put rape theory into federal law
Last week, U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, Republican from Marietta, announced that a former colleague who suggested that “legitimate” rape victims rarely become pregnant had been “partially right”.
Here are Gingrey’s remarks to a Chamber of Commerce breakfast, as reported initially in the Marietta Daily Journal:
“Part of the reason the Dems still control the Senate is because of comments made in Missouri by Todd Akin and Indiana by (Richard) Mourdock were considered a little bit over the top. Mourdock basically said ‘Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that’s still a child, and it’s a child of God, essentially.’ Now, in Indiana, that cost him the election.
“And in Missouri, Todd Akin, a long-term member of the House of Representatives and a very, VERY good personal friend of mine, was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, ‘Look, in a legitimate rape situation’ — and what he meant by legitimate rape was this, look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents — that’s pretty tough — and might on some occasion say, ‘Hey, I was raped.’ That’s what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape.
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.
“I’m an OB-GYN doctor. I’ve been an OB-GYN doctor for a long time, since 1975. And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight, because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right, wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down, because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”
Not surprisingly, those remarks re-ignited a national controversy. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists released a statement exposing the bad science behind Gingrey’s claim, noting that “while chronic stress, for example from extreme exposure to famine or war, may decrease a woman’s ability to conceive, there is no scientific evidence that adrenaline, experienced in an acute stress situation, has an impact on ovulation.”
The science — not to mention eons of tragic human history — make it clear that pregnancy through rape is all too common. For example, in a study of 68 victims assaulted as part of mass rape during the Bosnian war, 29 women became pregnant as a result of the attacks and 17 chose abortion to end those pregnancies. As the researchers found, “The decision to have an abortion was strongly predicted by suicidal thoughts and impulses” on the part of the victim. Other studies have documented a pregnancy rate of 5 percent in rapes, producing an estimated 32,000 rape-created pregnancies a year in this country.
(In the horrors of the Bosnian war, women were raped repeatedly and for an extended period of time, sometimes with the avowed goal of impregnation as a means of ethnic humiliation, which may account for the higher pregnancy rate in that instance.)
The next day, Gingrey attempted, implausibly, to back off his clear statement of support, saying that “I do not defend, nor do I stand by, the remarks made by Rep. Akin and Mr. Mourdock. In my attempt to provide context as to what I presumed they meant, my position was misconstrued.” (
You can re-read Gingrey’s initial statement above and judge for yourself whether it was misconstrued. (In his initial comments, he did go on to say that “I’m not standing up here defending people saying stupid things.”) But more importantly, you can and should judge Gingrey and his colleagues by their actions.
Earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others. The bill (text available here) declares that “the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”
Should such absolutist legislation become law, an embryo conceived in rape would “have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood,” and a rape victim who sought an abortion would become guilty of attempted murder. There is no rape exception in the legislation, because there is no exception in the mindset that created it. A rape victim should just “man up” and deal with it.
That’s the bottom line of this discussion; that’s what makes this whole affair much more important than just another congressman saying something offensive.
I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life. “Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen,” as Mourdock put it in a debate last fall. Yet for many Americans, the real-life implications of that theoretically tidy position are absolutely unacceptable. It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.
Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape, a second instance in which control of a woman’s life and body is stripped from her involuntarily and she is reduced to an unwilling breeding machine. And we are not going back to those days.
– Jay Bookman
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TBS
January 14th, 2013
10:48 am
And the hits keep coming
the cat
January 14th, 2013
10:53 am
Loving the terminology of “unwilling breeding machine”. Thanks Jay!
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
10:55 am
U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others.
Just imagine–with a President Romney and a GOPer Senate, such awesome legislation could become awesome law.
Road Scholar
January 14th, 2013
10:55 am
What idiots! Since you want to give the American people freedom, as long as it agrees to your interpretations, can we inflict our views on you instead…I mean in the name of freedom?
If you don’t want abortions…do not have one! But leave others to make up their own minds in consult with their ministers and their understanding of their religion and spirituality!
the cat
January 14th, 2013
10:55 am
I am beginning to wonder if there is something about this very, VERY close friendship between these two neanderthals. Boyfriends, lovers or just colleagues. HHHMMMMM.
Aquagirl
January 14th, 2013
10:57 am
Dumb Republicans shoot themselves in the foot–again. They must have one of those magic Hollywood guns that never runs out of bullets.
larry
January 14th, 2013
11:02 am
So Dr.’s make good congressmen, hmmmmm.
If they were such good doctors, why would they run for congress ?
King of Kolob
January 14th, 2013
11:03 am
We can’t blame Gingrey for his nonsense when we voters do not demand more from our elected officials. I do not believe he believes what he is saying, but he is saying what his supporters want to hear. Personally, I would be afraid to have any learned person who is spouting such nonsense examine me in the role of Doctor.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
11:04 am
It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.
For a party against government mandates (an unfortunate word for these circumstances), you would think they would be howling about the loss of “freedom”. Under the GOP mandated birth provisions, would a raped woman be required to support that child? Would there be government assistance to cover the costs of pregnancy and birth? While there may be adoption options for some, what if the child is premature or has medical issues?
the cat
January 14th, 2013
11:04 am
My husband read somewhere that Marietta, Ga was one of the best cities to retire. Honestly, with these idiots representing the city, I find that very hard to believe.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
11:05 am
The best way to prevent abortions is to provide birth control and effective sex education… which the GOP peacocks also block.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:05 am
So Dr.’s make good congressmen, hmmmmm.
to quote the Rude Pundit, and why not:
You got that? Raped girls lie, juiced-up p##sy juice can stop pregnancy, and women need some wine to loosen up. Gingrey’s a great doctor, man. You can trust him. Hell, back in 2005, he was able to diagnose noted vegetable Terri Schiavo without even examining her, saying, “The tragedy of this situation is that with proper treatment, now denied, Terri’s condition can improve.” Then as now, he would have been right except for the fact that he was completely wrong.
There’s gotta be more than a few women in Cobb Country today who feel just a little queasy about who they trusted to deliver their babies and take care of their oh-so confusing lady parts.
Aquagirl
January 14th, 2013
11:06 am
Fetus-worship comments from the usual cons in 3…2…1….
Pizzaman
January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Well said all! But they keep getting re-elected, don’t they?
Jerome Horwitz
January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.
Remember the wise words of George Carlin – republicans love the fetus, but, hate the child.
bman
January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Mister Bookman – you were sort of hard enough on this man. I don’t care much for Gingrey.
curious
January 14th, 2013
11:09 am
Guess all those German women raped by the Russians weren’t raped after all, otherwise they wouldn’t had those babies/abortions.
Trolls Bane
January 14th, 2013
11:10 am
This proposed bill is nothing but religions ideology from people who’s true allegaince is not to the US or the constitution, but to a man on a throne!
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
11:10 am
Keep it up, Republicans. Continue moving farther to the right. That’s the reason I left your crazy Bible-thumping party.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
11:10 am
“Chamber of Commerce”
Where are they on the gop welching on the money they already spent?
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
11:12 am
Jerome Horwitz
January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 14th, 2013
11:12 am
The Party of Rape.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
And in news of the Progress the Right is making on fixing our economy……………..
nothing.
Idiots.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer
Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.
larry
January 14th, 2013
11:14 am
Its telling when 4,000 people write in Charles Darwin’s name on election day in Paul Brouns’ district.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
11:14 am
There is no way in hell would I let that con touch my pregnant wife.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:14 am
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
11:12 am
Jerome Horwitz
January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.
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And the right wing lies just keep on coming………………
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:14 am
as I said downstairs (before I was so rudely dead-threaded):
I can’t believe that, after the shellacking they got at the polls, the GOP is still defending the “legitimate rape” bollocks …
AND it looks like Ryan is going for gold and sponsoring another doomed fetus / personhood bill.
no one ever told them that the definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
11:15 am
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer
Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.
Uhhhh….check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:15 am
“yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.”
BS.
we don’t clamor for it to be paid for by the taxpayer (unless the woman is in the military, IMHO) – we just want them to get the hell out of our personal business!
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
11:15 am
Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape…. And we are not going back to those days
Don’t be so sure.
N-GA
January 14th, 2013
11:15 am
I kinda understand why Cobb County women voted for these guys. After all, they date and (sometimes) marry Cobb County men. Honey Boo-Boo can’t wait to move to Cobb.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:16 am
“check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.”
BS – there is no mandated abortion coverage OUT OF TAX / FEDERAL DOLLARS (you can’t due to the Hyde amendment) – there is mandated coverage out of private insurance.
St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014
January 14th, 2013
11:18 am
“And yet the media took that and tore it apart”
and you can hear the media blamed for everything from this to
genital warts and lice, too, from noon to 3 on your AM radio.
These are some sick *&*I(s
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:18 am
USinUK: Good try but the Extremist doesn’t care about truth nor is he bright enough to understand it. Rush said there is tax payer abortion so there is, period, because Rush would NEVER lie………
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 14th, 2013
11:20 am
Just WOW, like they didn’t learn a thing from this last election. My guess is that they’re going to try and get as much passed through the House as they can so they can show their purity to the cause. So much for jobs and helping the American people. These jokers are starting where the 112th left off, abortion rights means jobs, jobs, jobs in their eyes.
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:22 am
Well nothing new here.
I’ll just say before I go that before you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.
Jerome Horwitz
January 14th, 2013
11:22 am
rwextreme – see where you’va already been corrected. Most of us on the left support coverage through insurance policies.
However, would you rather the gubmint pay for an abortion or support the child for 18 years through welfare?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
“Good try but the Extremist doesn’t care about truth”
a problem that is persistent amongst those on that side of the aisle
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
11:15 am
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer
Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.
Uhhhh….check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.
..
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.
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Uhh,,,nope.
Best check out your own personal “check out” process, as it just failed epically.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
The gop are trying to keep their base so they have to stay the course.
This is great for our country because it means they should lose all elections.
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
Both of those congressmen are about dumb as hell.
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
godless – the problem is that no one from the Republican party or other Conservatives stands up and says ENOUGH! The silence from them means they approve of what these old guys are saying.
Look before I leap...
January 14th, 2013
11:24 am
I totally get that there are some who believe that life begins at conception.
What I don’t get is the fervent desire to impose that belief on others.
What REALLY gets me to scratching my head is that the group who believes in the sanctity of life when it comes to people yet to be born, seems to be much of the same group who support the death penalty and the ardent desire to be able to use deadly force for purposes of self-preservation.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 14th, 2013
11:25 am
I can understand the GOP’s views on assault weapons better now. These people use extended capacity verbal magazines to continuously shoot themselves in the foot. It staggers the mind…
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
11:25 am
The sad part is the women that support these superstitious tyrants.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:25 am
“What REALLY gets me to scratching my head is that the group who believes in the sanctity of life when it comes to people yet to be born, seems to be much of the same group who support the death penalty and the ardent desire to be able to use deadly force for purposes of self-preservation.”
what they mean is that only SOME life is sacred …
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
11:28 am
Much talk about nothing. The “legitimate rape” comment was intentionally minconstrued by the mainstream media as if he meant legitimate as in ok. He obviously meant legitimate as in true or actual. If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.
Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok. And everyone knows that sometimes rape is claimed and it didn’t really happen. If you think everyone who claims to have been raped is telling the truth, you are an idiot. Some claims are legitiamate, some aren’t.
larry
January 14th, 2013
11:28 am
Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
11:29 am
you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.
However, these positions have been reiterated by many of the GOP representatives and leadership, supported by GOP donors and accepted by many GOP members.
Its one thing to cite a “Cynthia McKinney” and claim that her absurdity represented ALL libs or Dems when her absurdity was never “adopted” by 99.9% of most on the left, its another if a significant number of leaders and party members “adopted” those claims. The GOP has willingly and repeatedly embraced the crazy.
indigo
January 14th, 2013
11:29 am
Gingrey and Broun are members of the Taliban Tea Party and, as such, have a deep and fundamental contempt for women.
Republican women who follow such men are no different from Taliban women who humbly follow their men.
These men have been here along but are now emboldened to become more visible than ever.
“by their fruits you shall know them”
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
11:30 am
“If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.”
So what’s the difference between “actual rape” and “rape”?
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:30 am
Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.
Certainly not (I know a few righteously sane ones, myself).
But there are enough of the Andy-the-welcher types living there to ensure Gingrey’s continued viability.
kristens
January 14th, 2013
11:32 am
Broun is mentally unfit to hold office!
Jeffrey
January 14th, 2013
11:32 am
What voting populace will re-elect these guys? Please tell me these statements are enough to throw these guys out. Please.
Doggone/GA
January 14th, 2013
11:32 am
“I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.”
And I don’t agree. As long as the foetus is developmentally at a stage where it is completely and totally dependent on the woman’s body for survival, and it WOULD NOT survive outside the womb…it does NOT have a “right to life” Nature has provided that it is the woman’s decision to continue the pregnancy, not that of the foetus.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:34 am
“Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.”
being from Cobb, myself, I agree. However, that’s not the point … STOP ELECTING THE DINGBAT
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 14th, 2013
11:34 am
In fact, I’d argue that the GOP isn’t interested in preventing abortion at all. They are only interested in control. Controlling a woman’s body. If they really wanted to prevent abortion, they would be all over contraceptive use and making it available and cheap. Nope, they just want to control half of our population.
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I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:34 am
Looks like rightwingextreme’s backed himself up so that subsequent penalties will be half the distance to his own goal line.
Ronald Reagan Parkway
January 14th, 2013
11:34 am
MEN should “never” create laws that dictate what a woman should do with her body. If women wrote laws that would “never” allow men access to viagara or cialis, they would roll over and die!!
larry
January 14th, 2013
11:34 am
However, these positions have been reiterated by many of the GOP representatives and leadership, supported by GOP donors and accepted by many GOP members.
And , i might add, these positions were part of the GOP platform that Romney/Ryan ran on.
And it was rejected outright, but you can’t tell it by these congressmens’ actions.
Logical Dude
January 14th, 2013
11:35 am
Fred: Rush said there is tax payer abortion so there is, period, because Rush would NEVER lie…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one man, good one!
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
11:36 am
It is also sad that due to their stance on abortion many Churches are
co-opted into defending this type rhetoric.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:36 am
I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.
that’s because you’ve never painted yourself into the kind of ethical corner where controlling women’s bodies and minds becomes a necessity. Gingrey, Westmoreland, & co. have.
Look before I leap...
January 14th, 2013
11:36 am
Were it not for the right’s insistence on limiting abortion to absurd extremes, the distinction between conception through consensual sex and that by rape would be moot.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:37 am
“I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.”
well, obviously, we’re too stupid (and slutty) to make decisions for ourselves … besides, we’re not as important as a fetus, anyhooo
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:39 am
it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.
You can argue that. It is a grotesquely out of the mainstream position to take, however.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
January 14th, 2013
11:39 am
The GOP seem to operate under the adage”If you do the same thing over and and over and expect the result to be different each time, you are just doing what the [people] want…no matter what they say”…
Skip
January 14th, 2013
11:41 am
Think you have problems? I have to live in Westmorons district.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:41 am
“it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.”
as long as you acknowledge that you’re arguing for forced pregnancy.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
11:42 am
verylittlecommonsense — “Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok.”
Nobody made that argument, so check your *own* intellectual honesty.
The issue is that he’s argued that abortion’s unnecessary DESPITE rape, since in cases of “legitimate rape” — whatever the hell that means — women’s bodies apparently have the magical ability to “shut down” unwanted pregnancies.
Concentrate of what Akin said, not on what you imagine that people have said ABOUT what he said.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
11:43 am
Part of the GOP’s problem is that the “every fetus is sacred” stops at birth….. every child is not sacred nor is every adult. Not even every “job creator” is sacred.
Sagegirl
January 14th, 2013
11:44 am
It’s amazing that these “old toads” know nothing of what they’re talking about. The “I play a doctor on teevee” line comes to mind.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
11:45 am
The gop are divided and conquered.
Some are talking about a new party to challenge the gop establishment because the gop dared to compromise.
They will keep it dumbed down and say stupid things trying to keep their base..
weetamoe
January 14th, 2013
11:46 am
Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman. I don’t know any pro-choicers who would want their position *misconstrued* to mean what you apparently mean–or who share your apparent attitude towards the value of life.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:47 am
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:22 am
Well nothing new here.
I’ll just say before I go that before you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.
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You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:48 am
as long as you acknowledge that you’re arguing for forced pregnancy.
This touches on something I insist upon in these discussions: This is a POLITICAL blog. This is not about arguing personal ethics. It’s not about whether you, personally, would carry any/all pregnancies to term.
It’s about how laws are made and applied.
If you are of the opinion that a rape victim must carry a pregnancy to term, you have something like 14% support among Americans.
Which is why, understandably, those of us who oppose the likes of Broun, Gingrey, Westmoreland, & co., do seize upon idiocy like “The Sanctity of Human Life Act.” The kind of warm-fuzzy rhetoric they use to defend this horror–catch phrases like “unborn babies” and “right to life”–cannot be allowed to stand.
It’s built on a pile of absolute excrement, and needs to be understood as such.
MANGLER
January 14th, 2013
11:48 am
Normally I support the idea of not speaking if you don’t have anything informative or correct to say. However, with public representatives, I’m all for them spouting off their opinions of “facts”, because as we saw at the previous election cycle, they will not remain in power when they do.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:49 am
“Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman. ”
way to take Jay waaaayyyy out of context
Logical Dude
January 14th, 2013
11:49 am
quoting: it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.
then if you get raped, don’t have an abortion.
But don’t let a religious belief prevent anyone else from getting an abortion. Because once you go down the road of legislating religious beliefs, well. . . you get to be like the Taliban. (sorry, I know I know. . . )
Regnad Kcin
January 14th, 2013
11:50 am
“Not even every “job creator” is sacred.”
Are you sure?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:51 am
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
11:28 am
Much talk about nothing. The “legitimate rape” comment was intentionally minconstrued by the mainstream media as if he meant legitimate as in ok. He obviously meant legitimate as in true or actual. If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.
Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok. And everyone knows that sometimes rape is claimed and it didn’t really happen. If you think everyone who claims to have been raped is telling the truth, you are an idiot. Some claims are legitiamate, some aren’t.
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Is that what Rush told you?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
11:51 am
weetamoe — “Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman.”
If you’re going to assert that a woman has as much authority over her own reproductive system as a breeder heifer, then maybe you ought to be congratulating yourself for dehumanizing people.
td
January 14th, 2013
11:52 am
indigo
January 14th, 2013
11:29 am
And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.
cranky old man
January 14th, 2013
11:52 am
Hmm. I can see why guys like this might believe such a thing. It’s kind of how they filter everything they are told through their ideological flowchart, when presented with inconvenient information about tobacco, global warming, firearms, birth control, taxes, etc.
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of facts, of a legitimate presentation of overwhelming evidence of a fact that contradicts your ideology, religion, or economic self-interest, the human body has a way of shutting down the mind, so the fact would not implant in the brain. He’s partly right on that.”
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:55 am
Skip
January 14th, 2013
11:41 am
Think you have problems? I have to live in Westmorons district.
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I dunno, I got redistricted into Prices kingdom……… I may have you beat.
Look before I leap...
January 14th, 2013
11:55 am
“…taliban taking back control over all the women in the country …”
Um, to what country are you referring?
td
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
11:48 am
But the pro choice or pro death for the means of contraception until birth is the morally right thing to do. Keep preaching that BS.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
“The truth is that the whole “legitimate rape” scandal was about the phrase “legitimate rape”. It wasn’t about the science behind what he said.”
awwwwwwwwww … diddums … don’t like being called out for your BS??? you seem a bit touchy!
no, he was called out for what he said (legitimate rape) AND the science behind it (the body shuts it down)
both of which were a complete load of bollocks.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
td
January 14th, 2013
11:52 am
indigo
January 14th, 2013
11:29 am
And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.
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What in the hell are you talking about? When has the taliban EVER been in control of this Country?
Can I have a sip of what you are having? Just a sip, not a whole drink, look what a whole drink did to you…………
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:57 am
You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………
Well I don’t, so there! phttttt
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
11:57 am
Oh, and by the way stink -
I clicked on your link and found it highly doubtful so I researched a little more and found this -
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/01/the-enliven-projects-truth-about-false.html
In part, it says this about your link -
The illustration is dishonest because it assumes that any claim that can’t be proven false must be an actual rape. It ignores the fact that the majority of claims fall into a vast gray area where we just don’t know whether it was rape or non-rape. The result of this is to make it appear that false claims are just a puny percentage of all rape claims, and that the vast majortity of rapists aren’t being punished.
Rafe Hollister
January 14th, 2013
11:58 am
Some of us old white men, not the ones mentioned here, or the ones Obama keeps loading up his cabinet with, prefer Freedom for the individual.
Freedom to choose, on abortions, what school your child attends, whether you want to buy insurance or not, and what it should cover, what firearm you want to buy, where you live, what you drive, or what kind of light bulb you like, should be the American way.
The efforts by the left to lump all old white men together is silly. There seems to be this need to group and classify people so the politicians can buy off the majority of the groups, while not having to deal with the groups they do not like.
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
11:59 am
Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing…. You libs should be ashamed of yourselves….
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:59 am
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:57 am
You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………
Well I don’t, so there! phttttt
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Good. >-O-< (there's a hug.)
TaxPayer
January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
It sounds like Gingrey is saying that the best shot a Republican has at having sex is to wait for last call at a bar and try to pick up the women that are falling down drunk. Then again, Gingrey could just put a bag over his head.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
I guess the hug emoticon doesn’t go through lol.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
“Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing”
speaking as someone with first-hand experience … sometimes it is.
and, no, I’m not ashamed of it.
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
11:59 am
Aaaaaand there he is. Welcome! We were wondering when your bible-thumpin’ butt would show up.
Aquagirl
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
The truth is that the whole “legitimate rape” scandal was about the phrase “legitimate rape”. It wasn’t about the science behind what he said.
Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.
Mick
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Oy Vey!!!
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:57 am
You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………
Well I don’t, so there! phttttt
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Well good. I’m proud of you. Stand your ground and take your party back from the nuts.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
When did the taliban ever control this country? If they have never been in control of this country then how in the heck can you construe that my comment was talking about this country? Dang son, reading comprehension is a powerful tool.
nathan's political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:02 pm
typical gop sociopathic tripe, if karma exists both of them will join good personal friend and fellow rape nut todd akin in permanent retirement from public policy
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:02 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
“Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing”
speaking as someone with first-hand experience … sometimes it is.
and, no, I’m not ashamed of it.
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How old were you if you don’t mind answering and I’m not being too personal?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
C. Conservative — “Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing…. ”
An abortion saved my wife’s life 15 years ago.
You telling me that’s a *bad* thing?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
When did the taliban ever control this country? If they have never been in control of this country then how in the heck can you construe that my comment was talking about this country? Dang son, reading comprehension is a powerful tool.
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That’s right dad, so go back and read the stupid crap you posted and tell me what I didn’t comprehend. I didn’t write your crap, I merely responded to it.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
Deal reached on guns in New York and no they are not taking guns like the gop spewed.
Rape is a global problem and nothing to play politics with cons.
nathan's political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
the days of these xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, bible thumping old white dudes are numbered, for the better of all mankind
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
“Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place”
HA!
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
Ahh, Cobb County…the ones that gave us Newt Gingrich, and now this other G-guy…that got itself banned from holding a ‘96 Olympics event because of an anti-gay thing or something…that took on Charles Darwin – along with science and biology – by voting to add a ‘disclaimer’ to its text books…that has allowed the Roswell Street and Johnson Ferry Baptists, as well as the Mt. Bethel Methodists and who knows what other mega-churches, dictate political and public education policy…Cobb County, that made sure back in ‘68 that none of ‘them’ would be able to ride trains or busses ‘across the river’ – did you ever hear of someone fleeing a crime scene on a bus? Cobb County, that lynched an innocent, Jewish, man cause they thought he had ‘done it’…that burned out an entire black community along the RR tracks in Smyrna cause they thought some of them did something too. Yes Cobb, you’ve got a long and proud tradition…keep it up. Oh yeah, did I mentioni J B Stoner?
TaxPayer
January 14th, 2013
12:05 pm
Almond Joy’s got nuts,
Cons don’t.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:05 pm
“How old were you if you don’t mind answering and I’m not being too personal?”
23.
and it’s why I always say that, no, birth control does NOT always work, even if you do use it correctly.
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
12:06 pm
If the gun banning laws don’t work, they can just go back to the way it was. Truth is they work.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:07 pm
Dirty Dawg
The Nutster was a Carpetbagger from PA.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
If you do not understand that the taliban controlled Afghanistan and that they subjugated their women to “slavery” of men before we took over the country and that Obama is pulling out our troops to allow them to take back over and put their women back into that state then you showing your lack of intelligence and I can not help how stupid that makes you look.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
“If the gun banning laws don’t work … ”
… then why do they think banning abortion will???
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
USinUK
and it’s why I always say that, no, birth control does NOT always work, even if you do use it correctly.
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but it should be available at no cost, in all forms, to all of us, at all times.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
USinner
Yep, I have had many friends over the years (pre abortion) where BC just didn’t work and vatican roulette ruled the day.
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.”
Ok Aquagirl – put it to the test. Find three friends (if you have any) who heard about the legitimate rape comment and ask them why it was controversial. Unless they are political junkies, they will probably all tell you that he said rape was legitimate.
jw
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
Has anyone contacted his medical school for comment?. Maybe the AMA can pull his license?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
USinUK; Thanks. If I get time, I’ll send you my “story.” I also know about the birth control thing. My sister went to an all girls college and she knew 3 girls who religiously took their pills that got pregnant.
Cherokee
January 14th, 2013
12:11 pm
“And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.”
You are just increasingly incoherent, buddy.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:13 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
If you do not understand that the taliban controlled Afghanistan and that they subjugated their women to “slavery” of men before we took over the country and that Obama is pulling out our troops to allow them to take back over and put their women back into that state then you showing your lack of intelligence and I can not help how stupid that makes you look.
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If you cant’ understand that we are talking about the US and NOT Afghanistan, I can’t tell YOU how stupid YOU look.
Screw Afghanistan. Only you idiot republicans somehow think thta the US Constitution says it’s our job to police Afghanistan. If you REALLY want to stop slavery and not just be a slogan spewing jackass why don’t you campaign for military operations in China to end THEIR slavery. How about Darfur>
Or how about you just stay on subject you silly little boy and talk about the US.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:13 pm
” but it should be available at no cost, in all forms, to all of us, at all times.”
and all the followers of the FSM say RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!
“My sister went to an all girls college and she knew 3 girls who religiously took their pills that got pregnant.”
I do, too (three) – one of whom was a nurse. It happens everyday.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:14 pm
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.”
Ok Aquagirl – put it to the test. Find three friends (if you have any) who heard about the legitimate rape comment and ask them why it was controversial. Unless they are political junkies, they will probably all tell you that he said rape was legitimate.
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Really? We can’t help it if all your friends are stupid.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:16 pm
the cat: I like being progressively conservative.
indigo
January 14th, 2013
12:16 pm
td – 12:09
Injustice abounds in many parts of the world. And, it may be that, after we leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will take over again.
Since the people of Afghanistan are no better or worse than any other people, by your logic we should not only stay indefinitely there but become the world’s police officer for any country where any people, men, women, boys or girls, are being mis-treated.
Do you honestly think we’re so rich that this is feasible?
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:17 pm
Fred ™
the cat: I like being progressively conservative
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So have you made it to the 1960’s yet?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:18 pm
USinUK
http://evolvefish.com/fish/fsm.html
Ramen FSM followers supply cabinet.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:21 pm
Common: Actually I STOPPED at the 60’s. I’m still groovin’ on all that free love, good acid, and great music. Well occasionally I’ll dip into the early 70’s for some tunes…………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0IDLAntVM
Georgia
January 14th, 2013
12:22 pm
Having a woman cry rape is a legitimate fear. If your date is a psycho then you could become a victim of a lie. Like what just happened to me with those Seahawks cheerleaders.
fedup
January 14th, 2013
12:24 pm
Cave dwellers had more intelligence those four names mentioned above.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:25 pm
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:12 pm
you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country
TD, kindly find one (1) progressive posting here who has said they have “no problem” with the sexist afghan pigs.
Just one.
Until you do, keep your fat, ignorant yap shut.
By supporting the Obama policy is by abstention supporting the taliban and the way they treat women. Saying anything else is just horse hockey.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:25 pm
Fred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KODZtjOIPg
Jay
January 14th, 2013
12:26 pm
Please halt all personal attacks.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:27 pm
Isn’t horse hockey the same as polo?
Seriously Folks
January 14th, 2013
12:27 pm
This is such a touchy subject. WAY too many “personal” beliefs on both sides to make this “debate” have any objectivity. I would like to believe that if something such as rape happened in my family, that it would be a personal issue…and a decision based on personal beliefs, expectations and a moral compass.
However, it is always easy to espouse your own belief when you are NOT affected. I had a sibling who left her husband because of “sexual improprieties” with her kids…he wasn’t “caught in the act” but it was there…now that piece of trash luckily checked out of their lives..however, he “is” their father…and by that, he can come back anytime to argue for equal visitation with his kids..
SO my question to all those Cons out there…IF one of your female relatives was raped..are YOU prepared to welcome that rapist back into your families??????….(insert sounds of crickets!!!)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:29 pm
“Having a woman cry rape is a legitimate fear.”
so is a fear of shark attack.
that doesn’t mean that, statistically, it happens that often.
http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusation/
weetamoe
January 14th, 2013
12:30 pm
My, president expendable is having a rare news conference and he seems a mite peevish. Hope Bo finds a bed to hide under, else he might suffer a kick from the master today.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:31 pm
weetamoe
January 14th, 2013
12:30 pm
My, president expendable is having a rare news conference and he seems a mite peevish. Hope Bo finds a bed to hide under, else he might suffer a kick from the master today.
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What is a president expendable? Are you advocating assassination?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:32 pm
“What is a president expendable?”
maybe he meant expandable … was he carrying an accordion folder?
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:33 pm
Bo is a great dog and the press conference was just common sense.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
There goes the former girl again with that misleading link. I already sent a link to discredit it. It was even discredited on the slate. See below link -
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/08/the_enliven_project_s_false_rape_accusations_infographic_great_intentions.html
Fat Boy
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
Proof that Gingrey is a legitimate moron.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:35 pm
“Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
And I support free beer for me. That doesn’t make it law.
Next?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:36 pm
weetamoe
If President, I would be peevish also, of having to urge the
House of Representatives to pay the debt that it has created.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:37 pm
“No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
Hyde.
Amendment.
It doesn’t matter if the Dems want the government to give you a pony with every abortion, no federal money can be used to pay for abortion services.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:38 pm
Fat Boy
Proof that Gingrey is a legitimate moron.
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I would think more an illegitimate moron.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:38 pm
We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:39 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives. It’s really a joke, yet millions of people in the U.S. hang on his every word. Of course, Obama is the Devil incarnate complete with horns and a tail. It just goes to show you don’t have to be too smart to be a conservative.
GT
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
A men governing body deciding the outcome of this law is at best archaic. They have engrained religion into law to trump any debate with a mystic knowledge that only they control the interpretation of.
It seems the right only knows they are saying something stupid from public reaction; they otherwise are clueless of the perception of their thinking, resulting from their bubble existence. A large part of their dysfunction is they are reaching over to another world which they want to govern with no real knowledge or regards to the needs of that community; a bit like taxation without representation.
Aquagirl
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
Wow, what a great deal! This makes me want to run out and get pregnant just so I can have a free abortion, preferably in the last trimester! Woohoo!
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
BTW, the war on terror moved to Mali .
Leon H
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
It is with great revulsion that I look upon “my” government, or more accurately what passes for government these days, because my concept of government would never be so moronic, so invasive and lack any semblance of common sense, protection of it’s citizens and their Constitution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlMFWmotSU&list=FL-_TQr0e8SIo2Tj5Q1QrLqw&index=3&feature=plpp_video
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
” It was even discredited on the slate. See below link -”
you might want to look at WHAT was discredited … it wasn’t false accusations, it was the number of UNREPORTED RAPES. Given that, it actually makes the percentage of false accusations EVEN SMALLER.
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
And I support free beer for me
Fred,
How do I become a member of the Free Beer Party?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
Al Galore
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
US RICH PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OD ALL YOU BABY MOMA’S…THOSE DEADBEAT DADS WON’T!
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
The real question here is why would anyone with an IQ of 50 or above take ANYTHING Paul Broun say seriously. Especially after his ludicrous statements on creationism.
Michael
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
Dr. Phil made the comment that in some cases, “that horse has already left the barn.” I assume that is his medical training kicking in. However, he is only partially correct. Perhaps the horse’s head had left the barn.
However, thanks to the comments from members of congress, including his comments, we can now verify that the back end of the horse has also left the barn.
bookman parrot
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
jay, you must not have had much energy today, to put together anything worth speaking about;
what a waste of effort, time, and thought, by mostly libs that can’t afford to lose too much. LOL
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
USinUK
On October 22, 1993, President Clinton signed into law the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1994.[3] The Act contained a new version of the Hyde Amendment that expanded the category of abortions for which federal funds are available under Medicaid to include cases of rape and incest.[4]
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thus the ‘ legitimate rape’ debate
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:46 pm
Ooops! It was Gingrey making the stupid statements.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:46 pm
USinUK
sorry, that C&P is from Wikipedia..
Ronald Reagan Parkway
January 14th, 2013
12:47 pm
Off topic but, how can the Georgia Legislature implement “Ethics Laws” and say that a citizen can not report ethics violations? They love their trickery!!!
td
January 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
It is your choice so go for it if you want too. I am petitioning my state representatives to make Rush the only viable station during the lunch periods in all schools.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:49 pm
parrot,
Write something better.
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
12:50 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:16 am
“check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.”
BS – there is no mandated abortion coverage OUT OF TAX / FEDERAL DOLLARS (you can’t due to the Hyde amendment) – there is mandated coverage out of private insurance.
And with the subsidies in obamacare the taxpayer is paying for abortions and birth control.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:51 pm
” thus the ‘ legitimate rape’ debate”
criminey – I just wish they’d cover it for the servicewomen who are assaulted while serving our country.
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
12:51 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
They are the party of death.
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:52 pm
Common Sensor…I don’t care where he was from…Cobb County put him in the House of Representatives.
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:52 pm
Common Sensor…I don’t care where he was from…Cobb County put him in the House of Representatives.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:54 pm
USinUK
Much of the status of active duty personnel needs to be revisited.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:55 pm
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade
As do the vast majority of Americans.
http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:55 pm
rightwing – “And with the subsidies in obamacare the taxpayer is paying for abortions and birth control.”
criminey – by that measure, ANY subsidy that the Federal Government gives could be used to pay for abortions … food stamps, unemployment, etc.
Moderate Line
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
The rape and incest exception is problematic. If woman wants an abortion because of rape what do you do with the alleged rapist? Do you charge him with rape? What happens if he is exonerated?
I believe these people are doing in a round about way is showing the exception is more complex than just saying I against abortion except in case of rape and incest. This forces people to either be for abortion or against in all cases.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
and td, if you weren’t a complete ignoranus (calling you an “ignoramus” would be an insult to all the merely ignorant out there) you would know that strongly and unequivocally supporting Roe v. Wade is not, as you foolishly assert, equal “No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
I wonder how someone as stupid as you manages to breathe and dress himself.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:01 pm
” Much of the status of active duty personnel needs to be revisited.”
and women in the military academies
http://news.yahoo.com/few-report-sex-assaults-military-academies-195038074.html
Doggone/GA
January 14th, 2013
1:02 pm
“Concentrate of what Akin said, not on what you imagine that people have said ABOUT what he said”
We ARE. And the corrollary of what he said is: if you get pregant you WEREN’T RAPED
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:03 pm
USinUK
Saw your recipe for pot roasted chicken this am and I am anxious to try it. I do wish you would change your mind about pot roast beef and post a recipe.
Jaynie
January 14th, 2013
1:05 pm
God help us all, these idiots are running our country. And they evidently have enough support to get re-elected. From Akins’ “legitmate rape”, Murdock’s “it’s God’s will”, to Ryan’s,” rape is a method of conception”, comments, the GOP gets worse and worse. Why, if the GOP is all for less government interference in our day to day lives, do they continue with this nonsense? And why do they keep getting re-elected? Abortion is a very personal decision to be made with sound medical advice, religious advice if sought, and much soul searching. For those of you who believe all life is sacred from the moment of conception, stay out of the lives of those who don’t belive the same way. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, but they should certainly be available, affordable, and safe if a woman chooses that option for herself.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:05 pm
“I do wish you would change your mind about pot roast beef and post a recipe.”
(gag)
although I love a killer slow cooker pork shoulder … mmmmmmmmm nom
going to cook a shoulder of lamb this weekend … tagine-style!
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
1:06 pm
nathan’s political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
the days of these xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, bible thumping old white dudes are numbered, for the better of all mankind
____________________________________________
What about the “old white dudes” that are none of those things?
Will they survive?
Also, do you have a appx number or percentage of “old white dudes” that fall into those catagories?
Jm
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
republicans are dumb and clearly don’t know when to shut up
though its not just an issue of shutting up
the other part is using their brains
St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
I have never seen a party more obsessed with sex.
well, you know what they say, those that can’t do it, talk about it.
Jay
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
sfd, right after I post a request about ceasing personal attacks, you post that?
You’re banned until tomorrow.
Mick
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
On another front:
The deficit has ballooned not because of specific spending measures, but because of the recession. The deficit more than doubled between 2008 and 2009, as the economy was in free fall, since laid-off workers paid less in taxes and needed more benefits. The deficit then shrank in 2010 and 2011.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:08 pm
a little common sense (and evidently no reading comprehension) – from the link you so proudly touted …
if you read BEYOND THE HEADLINE, you’d see that it supports what I’m saying:
The graphic OVERESTIMATES the number of false accusations. This infographic is intended to drive home how rare false accusations are, and yet, because of a simple error, it overestimates how many actually occur.
Jm
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
“You’re banned until tomorrow.”
spank
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
USinUK
Lamb?
Waaaaaay too rich for my palate.
Roast beef is what I grew up with, and I can’t seem to get the garlic flavor in it the way mom did. Next time I’m gonna try putting slivers of garlic in the meat itself.
About your chicken recipe — I don’t have a casserole dish deep enough for a 3-5 lb chicken, so would an enamel coated cast iron dutch oven work as a substitute?
td
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
I will refrain from the personal attack since Jay asked us too.
” including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”
Does this not mean that the Democrats support the government to pay for abortions? If not then what does this mean?
” We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
I guess this means that the Dems support restrictions?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
1:11 pm
USinUK
Indeed the status of the academies should not be a problem since
the ’self rule’ should require all instances to be reported by all students
and the offenders should be weeded out and the offended supported.
The administration should be treated as McChrystal was treated.
Madmax
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.
“But all that deliberate planning collapsed swiftly when heavily armed, battle-hardened Islamist fighters returned from combat in Libya. They teamed up with jihadists like Ansar Dine, routed poorly equipped Malian forces and demoralized them so thoroughly that it set off a mutiny against the government in the capital, Bamako.
A confidential internal review completed last July by the Pentagon’s Africa Command concluded that the coup had unfolded too quickly for American commanders or intelligence analysts to detect any clear warning signs.
“The coup in Mali progressed very rapidly and with very little warning,” said Col. Tom Davis, a command spokesman. “The spark that ignited it occurred within their junior military ranks, who ultimately overthrew the government, not at the senior leadership level where warning signs might have been more easily noticed.”
But one Special Operations Forces officer disagreed, saying, “This has been brewing for five years. The analysts got complacent in their assumptions and did not see the big changes and the impacts of them, like the big weaponry coming out of Libya and the different, more Islamic” fighters who came back. ”
How’s that Obama foreign policy working Jay?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
“I don’t have a casserole dish deep enough for a 3-5 lb chicken, so would an enamel coated cast iron dutch oven work as a substitute?”
that’s actually perfect since you can do all the initial cooking on the top of the stove then sling it in the oven. I don’t have one, so I use a big casserole dish so have to dirty up TWO dishes (dammit!)
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
R. W. Extreme — “Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion. They are the party of death.”
Said the party of the death penalty and of preemptive wars of choice.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:14 pm
laters!!!
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
1:15 pm
“You’re banned until tomorrow.”
sfd got a slap on the wrist compared to others on here. weak, jay.
indigo
January 14th, 2013
1:18 pm
rightwingextreme – 12:52
15 to 20% of all pregnacies end in spontaneous abortion.
The Bible says God knows even when a sparrow falls.
So, God must know about all these spontaneous abortions and chooses to do nothing about them.
So, is your God the God of death?
Or, is He a “do as I say, not as I do” God?
http://bible.cc/matthew/10-29.htm
GT
January 14th, 2013
1:19 pm
The sheer fact that Obama won the election defines the interpretation of this country’s common sense. For a minority party of cloistered opinion to pipe up the malfunctions of this country is a bit like the Unabomber lecturing society on its shortcomings. Your stick ain’t selling which has a lot to do with what people perceive as a nut ball faction, represented by a less than majority of the country.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:20 pm
This seems to be a kind of red meat topic that can be thrown out there and will then move itself along on auto pilot.
Is Jay Bookman working on a book or something?
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
1:21 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
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Did you read what it said, or what you WISH it said, so you can justify your poutrage?
If you printed out the statement, cut out each individual letter, tossed them in the air, and read the words they spell out when they hit the floor, MAYBE on your 2,458 attempt, it may say what you think it said.
But probably not.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
1:21 pm
Peadawg
It seems Jay allows some relevance to the underlying true/false
status of a pejorative allusion…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:22 pm
sfd got a slap on the wrist compared to others on here. weak, jay.
Jay’s house, Jay’s call.
You don’t like it?
Go elsewhere, or start your own blog.
Blogspot.com or wordpress is ready even if you aren’t.
GT
January 14th, 2013
1:22 pm
Herman Talmadge never saw a red meat subject he didn’t love.
Sagegirl
January 14th, 2013
1:23 pm
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.
Really?
Tell you what, Mr. Gingrey. When you can get raped and then pregnant, you can then have a “discussion” with women who have to make legitimate choices everyday.
Until then, you should remain silent !
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
1:23 pm
Formerly a girl -
You missed my point. Yes, the second link I sent was a pretty mild rebuke of your link. The first link I posted pretty much skewered it. The point of the second link was that even the Slate didn’t stand behind the article you posted. Your link has been discredited. It would be an eye opener if true, but as it stands, it’s just propoganda.
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
Kamspam, you’d look cute in a cheerleading outfit.
Go Jay! Jay’s #1 Gimme a J. Gimme an A. Gimme a Y. What’s that spell?
“Go elsewhere, or start your own blog.”
You don’t get to tell me what to do, sport.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
Madmax — “How’s that Obama foreign policy working Jay?”
Any shoe bombers lately?
Any airlines flying one-way to the WTC or the Pentagon these days?
How about A-Q? They showing their faces above ground much in 2013?
If you’re willing to credit one unnamed Spec Ops officer with his claim, then surely you’d credit General Eric Shinseki, who had the temerity to *accurately* predict the number of troops needed in Iraq, incurring the disdain of SecDef Rumsfeld, Deputy SecDef Paul Wolfowitz and other Bush Administration figures.
Maybe that unnamed Spec Ops officer will get the same treatment Shinseki got at his West Point class’s 40th annual reunion, where many of the attendees wore ball caps emblazoned with the message “RIC WAS RIGHT.”
And maybe that unnamed Spec Ops officer will wind up as Secretary of the VA, like Shinseki is now.
After all, if Shinseki is any example, you just need to contradict the current Administration — and then be *proven* right by history.
TaxPayer
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
If Rush must be played then it should only be in the bathrooms since it is the only fitting place for crap.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:34 pm
“Is Jay Bookman working on a book or something?”
I hope he stole my idea on the behavior of the right under President Obama called “Unhinged”.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:37 pm
cons still think their media are credible.
Hilarious
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:38 pm
Madmax: “Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.”
Why are you in league with socialists, Madmax?
Please explain to us why you hate America, Madmax.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:41 pm
Actually, we led on the war on terror for a decade and the right says we are broke.
vuduchld
January 14th, 2013
1:44 pm
The GOP, rape you can believe in
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
1:45 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
It is your choice so go for it if you want too. I am petitioning my state representatives to make Rush the only viable station during the lunch periods in all schools.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Im sure you are. You have shown a propensity for thinking for yourself nor being able to defend any of the lunacy he speaks that you post.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:45 pm
Madmax: “Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.”
Just three words:
Dien Bien Phu
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
1:46 pm
LOL HAVEN’T shown a propensity for thinking for yourself…….
Moderate Line
January 14th, 2013
1:47 pm
President Barack Obama on Thursday framed his opposition as a Senator to raising the nation’s debt ceiling as a “political vote” and said he is coming at the issue from a different approach as commander in chief.
“That was just an example of a new Senator, you know, making what is a political vote, as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I’m the first one to acknowledge it,” Obama told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, according to a transcript of the interview.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/obama_2006_debt_ceiling_vote_was_politically_motivated_-204986-1.html
“To even entertain the idea of the United States of America not paying our bills is irresponsible. It’s absurd,” Obama said in a press conference.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/obama-debt-ceiling_n_2471594.html
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:49 pm
I doubt max knows anything about foreign policy.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:53 pm
Funny how you haven’t heard much lately about the big old bad “socialist” takeover in France.
So how come, cons?
Please, help me understand your new-found love for socialist politicians from the land of the freedom fries.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
1:54 pm
Just for the record, I agree that Gingrey and Broun are idiots on this issue.
Not to attempt to hi-jack the thread, but, I posted on Friday that I planned to attend the gun show at the local Hassan temple this weekend. Some of you expressed interest in hearing of the experience…
So, my 17 yo and I went on Saturday and paid our $8 a head to get in the door. Regarding the “gun show loophole.” After seeing some of the posts on this issue last week, it sounded like to me that anyone could go to a gun show and purchase firearms from anyone without a background check. I talked to 3 different vendors there and asked specific questions about the loophole. Here’s the deal. No gun dealer with a federal firearms license will sell you a firearm of any make or model without a background check. If they did, they would put their license at risk and therefore, their livelihood. Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose. But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:57 pm
Moderate,
You could say the Dems were the first tea party trying to get w from blowing out the deficit.
The cons cheered w on then flipped flopped on the issue.
Shar
January 14th, 2013
2:00 pm
Although I completely disagree with it, Gingrey’s position, along with that of the Ryan, Broun, Akins, Mourdock et alia, is the only moral position that a pro-life person can legitimately take.
As far as they are concerned, a zygote is a reflection of God’s Will, and is equal to a “person” at any other stage of life. I completely disagree with this, but it is a defensible position to take.
What is not defensible is the rape and incest exception. Positing that a zygote is not a zygote when the female might be able to prove that she was an unwilling participant in the sex act itself reveals that it is the woman’s (or little girl’s) action that is being judged, not the value of the zygote.Allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest is an outright admission that access to abortion is simply a way to control women and punish those who transgress the patriarchial traditions of chastity. The fact that the lead sponsors on the ‘personhood’ bill are male only reinforces the lynchpin of those traditions, which is that men own female sexuality.
If the pro-lifers were forced to choose between the two logical positions – either never any safe, legal abortions (because regardless of the law, there will continue to be abortions – the law will just push poor women into unsafe means) or leaving the decision in the hands of the woman and her doctor – the movement would be as fractured as the GOP in general. Most Americans, including pro-lifers, reject protection of pregnancies that endanger the woman just as most reject forcing women to carry fetuses against their will.
The country is not going back to that, and the sooner extremist language like Gingrey’s/Akins’/Mourdock’s and extremist legislation like Broun’s/Ryan’s/Gingrey’s is pushed onto the rest of us, the sooner the will of the people can be unequivocally expressed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:02 pm
Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose.
You “suppose” correctly.
But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
People don’t go to yard sales or flea markets to primarily buy guns.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:06 pm
Oh lordy. Jay done went and fed a load of hyperbolic raw red meat to the minions. They do love they heated emotional rhetoric they do.
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:08 pm
I am ashamed to say I went to Gingrey’s office when I was pregnant with twins. Had to see all the doctors in the group so I saw him a couple of times. I’m glad however, to say he was not in the room during the birth of my twins. For that, I am eternally grateful. It is scary these people keep getting elected. And now I see the state senate has passed a $100.00 cap on gifts, with the mandate that no citizen can complain about ethics. I have to feel that is compeltely against the constitutional rights of our citizens. So the tyrannical government they are so afraid of is their own party? Such irony!
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:09 pm
Kammy, thanks for stating the obvious. They don’t go to yard sales to buy yards or flea markets to buy fleas, either. But, if I wanted to think like a criminal, I think I’d prefer to go to a flea market to purchase a firearm before a gun show. We are talking about limiting access to guns to the insane and the criminals, right? Not from the normal, law-abiding, sane citizens?
Mick
January 14th, 2013
2:12 pm
doom
I prefer my steaks cooked medium with sauteed onions but no minions…
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2:12 pm
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Shar
January 14th, 2013
2:12 pm
I think that the gun issue suffers from the same hypocrisy as the reproductive health issue.
Until the legislators come out from behind the taxpayer-funded security wall that surrounds them and are exposed to precisely the same vulnerability to gun wielders as the rest of us, I don’t think they should be allowed to comment or vote on access to weapons.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
2:13 pm
Just got to Walmart where the cons are gathered to buy sold out AR’s and tell them you have one for two grand.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
2:13 pm
Oh lordy. Jay done went and fed a load of hyperbolic raw red meat to the minions. They do love they heated emotional rhetoric they do.
Oh lordy lordy. Thulsa done dun some deflecting by using here massir massir voice .
She do anything but address the actual issues she do.
Lordy Lordy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:14 pm
But, if I wanted to think like a criminal, I think I’d prefer to go to a flea market to purchase a firearm before a gun show.
I have never seen a functioning firearm at a flea market. That’s not to say they have never been available, but that I have never seen one. Most items at flea markets and yard sales are junk that no one wants.
If a criminal wants a functioning firearm with no background checks, a gun show is the way to go. Plenty of inventory to choose from.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:16 pm
Mick,
You Irish fans okay down there? I know you Miami folks hated the Beatdown inflicted on the surrendering Irish. Hee hee. Just messin with ya. ND still had a season to be proud of.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:18 pm
“Just got to Walmart where the cons are gathered to buy sold out AR’s and tell them you have one for two grand.”
Or you could make more money here selling fainting couches.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:22 pm
Cheesy,
Thanks for acknowledging me as your massah. It is true of course.
As for debate theres not anything to debate here. This is just some rhetoric to get the libs blowing steam out their ears. Works too.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:22 pm
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
And I support free beer for me
Fred,
How do I become a member of the Free Beer Party?
____________________________________
Learn to give lap dances
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:25 pm
Moobat Betty,
The fainting goats of the Bookman blog. How easily they drop.
the cat
January 14th, 2013
2:26 pm
Thulsa-did you get kicked off Kyle’s blog again?
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:26 pm
Just curious….
Do liberals ask their doctors what their political affiliation is before being seen by said doctor?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
When you have a state where the Politics are really ruled by peoples crazy Religious beliefs instead of Science and Reason.
This is what you are going to get.
In fact I think Republicans and Religion should be required to stay 500 yards from Science at all times.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
Fainting goats!
How cute!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:28 pm
LOL Cheesy’s doctor is probably a far right wing fanatic!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
2:28 pm
JAY,
Great column. At the risk of using the same material twice…Albert Einstein said: “The two infinite things are the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not too certain about the universe…”
These arrogant right and often evangelical nutjobs….trying to define what a woman does with her body…even suggesting a rape is acceptable and lawful means of conception is as idiotic as anything put into political discussion…period.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:29 pm
So is William Raspberry still vehemently opposed to guns?
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:30 pm
I guess that makes Jay the “goat whisperer”
td
January 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:02 pm
Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose.
You “suppose” correctly.
But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
People don’t go to yard sales or flea markets to primarily buy guns.
People buy and sell guns all the time at yard sales, flea markets, at estate sales (picked up several good deals at these) and over the internet. As far as individual sales a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:14 pm
If anything, I think the guns shows may be more exposed to new law than other tactics discussed. However, private sales between individuals will proceed with all, if not increased vigor.
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
Learn to give lap dances
lol TBG!!!!!
If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Usually there are strawmen at gunshows to purchase guns if you
want one without a background check.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Ok, lets make a deal, folks.
Libs promise not to take away all of our guns and Cons will promise not to take away all of your abortions.
Deal?
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
moonbat – this liberal would ask if I was in the child bearing years. My twin females are only 18 right now but it is a good question, of which I will try to find the answer to.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
“If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head”
Then tilt your head back and open your mouth real wide
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
Moonbat,
I’m thinking about buying one of them fainting goats for my brothers farm. I’ve got some ideas on who I would name him after. And yes. The honor would have to go to one of the Bookman bloggers. If I were really fair I’d buy a whole heard of them to name after various denizens of the Bookman blog.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:36 pm
Herd dang I hate Autospell on a Droid.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:37 pm
Doom, the bad thing is, you may have to milk those suckers!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:39 pm
“Herd dang I hate Autospell on a Droid.”
No worries, Doom. I don’t think Kamchak or Doggone is here at the moment to go postal on you.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:40 pm
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:08 pm
I am ashamed to say I went to Gingrey’s office when I was pregnant with twins. Had to see all the doctors in the group so I saw him a couple of times. I’m glad however, to say he was not in the room during the birth of my twins. For that, I am eternally grateful.
______________________________________
What do you suppose he would have done that you would have objected to if he *was* in the room during the birth of your twins?
Look before I leap...
January 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
Even to a convicted felon!
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
moonbat betty
Doom, the bad thing is, you may have to milk those suckers!
………………………………..
only those with more than one udder and they do fall down for you…
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
Then tilt your head back and open your mouth real wide
Thanks for the advice moonbat! I may give it a try afterall.
Jay
January 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
Thulsa, YOU are complaining about hyperbolic raw red meat and heated emotional rhetoric?
oh, and sheets.
TBS
January 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
Libs promise not to take away all of our guns and Cons will promise not to take away all of your abortions.
________________________________________
Seeing that it is only conservatives who own guns and liberals who have abortions, that might be a tough deal to make
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:45 pm
TBS
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:45 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
If a criminal wants a functioning firearm with no background checks, a gun show is the way to go. Plenty of inventory to choose from.
Kammy, I’ve found the opinions of most regulars on here can’t be moved with a hand grenade. Are there corrupt federally licensed gun dealers? My guess would be YES! Are there corrupt ____ ? (fill in the blank) The answer is still, yes. “Close the gun show loop hole…it will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane!!” It’s an ill-advised lib talking point. It makes you feel good because you are doing something, anything to address the issue. How, exactly, do you propose that we control person-to-person, private sales of firearms? That is what it will take to close the loophole. Telling citizens that they cannot sell something that belongs to them.
Or as VP Biden would say, “there is no silver bullet to solve gun violence….” (Did he really just say that?) No, I’m not in favor of doing nothing. Yes, gun violence needs to be addressed.
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
.
.
.
.
Kinda like a car right?
OOps! That title gets registered with a government agency
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:30 pm
I guess that makes Jay the “goat whisperer”
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
Learn to give lap dances
lol TBG!!!!!
If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head.
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Then it would turn into a wet tee shirt contest.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
I’m out in the country. My neighbor used to have a jackass named jack. I renamed him of course after one of the bloggers here. When I revealed the handle that I named the jackass after Jay gave me a brief vacation. The 2 goats were named after my 2 other fan club members. But they weren’t fainting goats. They were just plain ole stupid goats. So being stubborn and stupid they were still befitting the bloggers they were named after.
TBS
January 14th, 2013
2:49 pm
*It isn’t
LOL
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:49 pm
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Usually there are strawmen at gunshows to purchase guns if you
want one without a background check.
Or they can go to the local gun store or Walmart and do the same. In fact, those businesses are open 7 days a week. The gun show comes to town twice a year and you have to pay to get in!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
“*It isn’t”
I know what you meant, TBS.
That was funny though.
td
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
Look before I leap…
January 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
Even to a convicted felon!
It is unlawful for a convicted felon to have a gun just like it is unlawful for a convicted felon to vote (they have given up their Constitutionally protected rights when they were convicted, although they can be restored). If you want to make it a law (which may already be one) that makes it illegal to sell a gin to a convicted felon then I could go along with it.
td
January 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
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Kinda like a car right?
OOps! That title gets registered with a government agency
Owning a car is not a Constitutionally protected right while owning a gun is (comparing apples to oranges). On top of that fact, I would be willing to bet you that there are more laws on the books about gun ownership then there are about car ownership.
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
3:52 pm
I figured it out Jay. media Matters sent out this weeks talking points to all you left wing fruit columnists that the “War on Women” must be revived. This of course is because Oblama appointed none for his top cabinet posts. She-male Napolitano will still be there though. Why couldn’t Oblama find some dem women worthy enough to be picked jay?
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
3:55 pm
Peadawg
Aaaaaand there he is. Welcome! We were wondering when your bible-thumpin’ butt would show up.
Not thumpin the Bible mutt… Just asking some simple questions like why can’t Oblama find any women to work in the White House???
Rabbit
January 14th, 2013
8:35 pm
Cro-magnon congressmen. How do we elect them?
lovelyliz
January 15th, 2013
10:54 am
the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood ONLY UNTIL BIRTH
dabir dalton
January 15th, 2013
7:08 pm
Hmmm a man marries in good faith and is divorced by his unfaithful wife against his will – raped of his children, home and financial resources – and to add insult to injury he is required to pay child support for his children even though his ex wife won’t allow him visitation and seeks to turn them against their father. Man is told to shut up, man up and pay up or go to jail.
Turn about is fair play and as far as I’m concerned until our society decides to have compassion for men in the above situation women can shut up, man up and carry the child to term.