Gingrey, Broun would put rape theory into federal law
Last week, U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, Republican from Marietta, announced that a former colleague who suggested that “legitimate” rape victims rarely become pregnant had been “partially right”.
Here are Gingrey’s remarks to a Chamber of Commerce breakfast, as reported initially in the Marietta Daily Journal:
“Part of the reason the Dems still control the Senate is because of comments made in Missouri by Todd Akin and Indiana by (Richard) Mourdock were considered a little bit over the top. Mourdock basically said ‘Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that’s still a child, and it’s a child of God, essentially.’ Now, in Indiana, that cost him the election.
“And in Missouri, Todd Akin, a long-term member of the House of Representatives and a very, VERY good personal friend of mine, was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, ‘Look, in a legitimate rape situation’ — and what he meant by legitimate rape was this, look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents — that’s pretty tough — and might on some occasion say, ‘Hey, I was raped.’ That’s what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape.
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.
“I’m an OB-GYN doctor. I’ve been an OB-GYN doctor for a long time, since 1975. And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight, because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right, wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down, because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”
Not surprisingly, those remarks re-ignited a national controversy. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists released a statement exposing the bad science behind Gingrey’s claim, noting that “while chronic stress, for example from extreme exposure to famine or war, may decrease a woman’s ability to conceive, there is no scientific evidence that adrenaline, experienced in an acute stress situation, has an impact on ovulation.”
The science — not to mention eons of tragic human history — make it clear that pregnancy through rape is all too common. For example, in a study of 68 victims assaulted as part of mass rape during the Bosnian war, 29 women became pregnant as a result of the attacks and 17 chose abortion to end those pregnancies. As the researchers found, “The decision to have an abortion was strongly predicted by suicidal thoughts and impulses” on the part of the victim. Other studies have documented a pregnancy rate of 5 percent in rapes, producing an estimated 32,000 rape-created pregnancies a year in this country.
(In the horrors of the Bosnian war, women were raped repeatedly and for an extended period of time, sometimes with the avowed goal of impregnation as a means of ethnic humiliation, which may account for the higher pregnancy rate in that instance.)
The next day, Gingrey attempted, implausibly, to back off his clear statement of support, saying that “I do not defend, nor do I stand by, the remarks made by Rep. Akin and Mr. Mourdock. In my attempt to provide context as to what I presumed they meant, my position was misconstrued.” (
You can re-read Gingrey’s initial statement above and judge for yourself whether it was misconstrued. (In his initial comments, he did go on to say that “I’m not standing up here defending people saying stupid things.”) But more importantly, you can and should judge Gingrey and his colleagues by their actions.
Earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others. The bill (text available here) declares that “the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”
Should such absolutist legislation become law, an embryo conceived in rape would “have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood,” and a rape victim who sought an abortion would become guilty of attempted murder. There is no rape exception in the legislation, because there is no exception in the mindset that created it. A rape victim should just “man up” and deal with it.
That’s the bottom line of this discussion; that’s what makes this whole affair much more important than just another congressman saying something offensive.
I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life. “Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen,” as Mourdock put it in a debate last fall. Yet for many Americans, the real-life implications of that theoretically tidy position are absolutely unacceptable. It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.
Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape, a second instance in which control of a woman’s life and body is stripped from her involuntarily and she is reduced to an unwilling breeding machine. And we are not going back to those days.
– Jay Bookman
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GT
January 14th, 2013
1:19 pm
The sheer fact that Obama won the election defines the interpretation of this country’s common sense. For a minority party of cloistered opinion to pipe up the malfunctions of this country is a bit like the Unabomber lecturing society on its shortcomings. Your stick ain’t selling which has a lot to do with what people perceive as a nut ball faction, represented by a less than majority of the country.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:20 pm
This seems to be a kind of red meat topic that can be thrown out there and will then move itself along on auto pilot.
Is Jay Bookman working on a book or something?
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
1:21 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
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Did you read what it said, or what you WISH it said, so you can justify your poutrage?
If you printed out the statement, cut out each individual letter, tossed them in the air, and read the words they spell out when they hit the floor, MAYBE on your 2,458 attempt, it may say what you think it said.
But probably not.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
1:21 pm
Peadawg
It seems Jay allows some relevance to the underlying true/false
status of a pejorative allusion…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:22 pm
sfd got a slap on the wrist compared to others on here. weak, jay.
Jay’s house, Jay’s call.
You don’t like it?
Go elsewhere, or start your own blog.
Blogspot.com or wordpress is ready even if you aren’t.
GT
January 14th, 2013
1:22 pm
Herman Talmadge never saw a red meat subject he didn’t love.
Sagegirl
January 14th, 2013
1:23 pm
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.
Really?
Tell you what, Mr. Gingrey. When you can get raped and then pregnant, you can then have a “discussion” with women who have to make legitimate choices everyday.
Until then, you should remain silent !
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
1:23 pm
Formerly a girl -
You missed my point. Yes, the second link I sent was a pretty mild rebuke of your link. The first link I posted pretty much skewered it. The point of the second link was that even the Slate didn’t stand behind the article you posted. Your link has been discredited. It would be an eye opener if true, but as it stands, it’s just propoganda.
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
Kamspam, you’d look cute in a cheerleading outfit.
Go Jay! Jay’s #1 Gimme a J. Gimme an A. Gimme a Y. What’s that spell?
“Go elsewhere, or start your own blog.”
You don’t get to tell me what to do, sport.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
Madmax — “How’s that Obama foreign policy working Jay?”
Any shoe bombers lately?
Any airlines flying one-way to the WTC or the Pentagon these days?
How about A-Q? They showing their faces above ground much in 2013?
If you’re willing to credit one unnamed Spec Ops officer with his claim, then surely you’d credit General Eric Shinseki, who had the temerity to *accurately* predict the number of troops needed in Iraq, incurring the disdain of SecDef Rumsfeld, Deputy SecDef Paul Wolfowitz and other Bush Administration figures.
Maybe that unnamed Spec Ops officer will get the same treatment Shinseki got at his West Point class’s 40th annual reunion, where many of the attendees wore ball caps emblazoned with the message “RIC WAS RIGHT.”
And maybe that unnamed Spec Ops officer will wind up as Secretary of the VA, like Shinseki is now.
After all, if Shinseki is any example, you just need to contradict the current Administration — and then be *proven* right by history.
TaxPayer
January 14th, 2013
1:27 pm
If Rush must be played then it should only be in the bathrooms since it is the only fitting place for crap.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:34 pm
“Is Jay Bookman working on a book or something?”
I hope he stole my idea on the behavior of the right under President Obama called “Unhinged”.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:37 pm
cons still think their media are credible.
Hilarious
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:38 pm
Madmax: “Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.”
Why are you in league with socialists, Madmax?
Please explain to us why you hate America, Madmax.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:41 pm
Actually, we led on the war on terror for a decade and the right says we are broke.
vuduchld
January 14th, 2013
1:44 pm
The GOP, rape you can believe in
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
1:45 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
It is your choice so go for it if you want too. I am petitioning my state representatives to make Rush the only viable station during the lunch periods in all schools.
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Im sure you are. You have shown a propensity for thinking for yourself nor being able to defend any of the lunacy he speaks that you post.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:45 pm
Madmax: “Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.”
Just three words:
Dien Bien Phu
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
1:46 pm
LOL HAVEN’T shown a propensity for thinking for yourself…….
Moderate Line
January 14th, 2013
1:47 pm
President Barack Obama on Thursday framed his opposition as a Senator to raising the nation’s debt ceiling as a “political vote” and said he is coming at the issue from a different approach as commander in chief.
“That was just an example of a new Senator, you know, making what is a political vote, as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I’m the first one to acknowledge it,” Obama told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, according to a transcript of the interview.
http://www.rollcall.com/news/obama_2006_debt_ceiling_vote_was_politically_motivated_-204986-1.html
“To even entertain the idea of the United States of America not paying our bills is irresponsible. It’s absurd,” Obama said in a press conference.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/obama-debt-ceiling_n_2471594.html
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:49 pm
I doubt max knows anything about foreign policy.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 14th, 2013
1:53 pm
Funny how you haven’t heard much lately about the big old bad “socialist” takeover in France.
So how come, cons?
Please, help me understand your new-found love for socialist politicians from the land of the freedom fries.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
1:54 pm
Just for the record, I agree that Gingrey and Broun are idiots on this issue.
Not to attempt to hi-jack the thread, but, I posted on Friday that I planned to attend the gun show at the local Hassan temple this weekend. Some of you expressed interest in hearing of the experience…
So, my 17 yo and I went on Saturday and paid our $8 a head to get in the door. Regarding the “gun show loophole.” After seeing some of the posts on this issue last week, it sounded like to me that anyone could go to a gun show and purchase firearms from anyone without a background check. I talked to 3 different vendors there and asked specific questions about the loophole. Here’s the deal. No gun dealer with a federal firearms license will sell you a firearm of any make or model without a background check. If they did, they would put their license at risk and therefore, their livelihood. Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose. But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
1:57 pm
Moderate,
You could say the Dems were the first tea party trying to get w from blowing out the deficit.
The cons cheered w on then flipped flopped on the issue.
Shar
January 14th, 2013
2:00 pm
Although I completely disagree with it, Gingrey’s position, along with that of the Ryan, Broun, Akins, Mourdock et alia, is the only moral position that a pro-life person can legitimately take.
As far as they are concerned, a zygote is a reflection of God’s Will, and is equal to a “person” at any other stage of life. I completely disagree with this, but it is a defensible position to take.
What is not defensible is the rape and incest exception. Positing that a zygote is not a zygote when the female might be able to prove that she was an unwilling participant in the sex act itself reveals that it is the woman’s (or little girl’s) action that is being judged, not the value of the zygote.Allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest is an outright admission that access to abortion is simply a way to control women and punish those who transgress the patriarchial traditions of chastity. The fact that the lead sponsors on the ‘personhood’ bill are male only reinforces the lynchpin of those traditions, which is that men own female sexuality.
If the pro-lifers were forced to choose between the two logical positions – either never any safe, legal abortions (because regardless of the law, there will continue to be abortions – the law will just push poor women into unsafe means) or leaving the decision in the hands of the woman and her doctor – the movement would be as fractured as the GOP in general. Most Americans, including pro-lifers, reject protection of pregnancies that endanger the woman just as most reject forcing women to carry fetuses against their will.
The country is not going back to that, and the sooner extremist language like Gingrey’s/Akins’/Mourdock’s and extremist legislation like Broun’s/Ryan’s/Gingrey’s is pushed onto the rest of us, the sooner the will of the people can be unequivocally expressed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:02 pm
Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose.
You “suppose” correctly.
But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
People don’t go to yard sales or flea markets to primarily buy guns.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:06 pm
Oh lordy. Jay done went and fed a load of hyperbolic raw red meat to the minions. They do love they heated emotional rhetoric they do.
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:08 pm
I am ashamed to say I went to Gingrey’s office when I was pregnant with twins. Had to see all the doctors in the group so I saw him a couple of times. I’m glad however, to say he was not in the room during the birth of my twins. For that, I am eternally grateful. It is scary these people keep getting elected. And now I see the state senate has passed a $100.00 cap on gifts, with the mandate that no citizen can complain about ethics. I have to feel that is compeltely against the constitutional rights of our citizens. So the tyrannical government they are so afraid of is their own party? Such irony!
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:09 pm
Kammy, thanks for stating the obvious. They don’t go to yard sales to buy yards or flea markets to buy fleas, either. But, if I wanted to think like a criminal, I think I’d prefer to go to a flea market to purchase a firearm before a gun show. We are talking about limiting access to guns to the insane and the criminals, right? Not from the normal, law-abiding, sane citizens?
Mick
January 14th, 2013
2:12 pm
doom
I prefer my steaks cooked medium with sauteed onions but no minions…
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Shar
January 14th, 2013
2:12 pm
I think that the gun issue suffers from the same hypocrisy as the reproductive health issue.
Until the legislators come out from behind the taxpayer-funded security wall that surrounds them and are exposed to precisely the same vulnerability to gun wielders as the rest of us, I don’t think they should be allowed to comment or vote on access to weapons.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
2:13 pm
Just got to Walmart where the cons are gathered to buy sold out AR’s and tell them you have one for two grand.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
2:13 pm
Oh lordy. Jay done went and fed a load of hyperbolic raw red meat to the minions. They do love they heated emotional rhetoric they do.
Oh lordy lordy. Thulsa done dun some deflecting by using here massir massir voice .
She do anything but address the actual issues she do.
Lordy Lordy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:14 pm
But, if I wanted to think like a criminal, I think I’d prefer to go to a flea market to purchase a firearm before a gun show.
I have never seen a functioning firearm at a flea market. That’s not to say they have never been available, but that I have never seen one. Most items at flea markets and yard sales are junk that no one wants.
If a criminal wants a functioning firearm with no background checks, a gun show is the way to go. Plenty of inventory to choose from.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:16 pm
Mick,
You Irish fans okay down there? I know you Miami folks hated the Beatdown inflicted on the surrendering Irish. Hee hee. Just messin with ya. ND still had a season to be proud of.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:18 pm
“Just got to Walmart where the cons are gathered to buy sold out AR’s and tell them you have one for two grand.”
Or you could make more money here selling fainting couches.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:22 pm
Cheesy,
Thanks for acknowledging me as your massah. It is true of course.
As for debate theres not anything to debate here. This is just some rhetoric to get the libs blowing steam out their ears. Works too.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:22 pm
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
And I support free beer for me
Fred,
How do I become a member of the Free Beer Party?
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Learn to give lap dances
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:25 pm
Moobat Betty,
The fainting goats of the Bookman blog. How easily they drop.
the cat
January 14th, 2013
2:26 pm
Thulsa-did you get kicked off Kyle’s blog again?
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:26 pm
Just curious….
Do liberals ask their doctors what their political affiliation is before being seen by said doctor?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
When you have a state where the Politics are really ruled by peoples crazy Religious beliefs instead of Science and Reason.
This is what you are going to get.
In fact I think Republicans and Religion should be required to stay 500 yards from Science at all times.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
Fainting goats!
How cute!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:28 pm
LOL Cheesy’s doctor is probably a far right wing fanatic!
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
2:28 pm
JAY,
Great column. At the risk of using the same material twice…Albert Einstein said: “The two infinite things are the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not too certain about the universe…”
These arrogant right and often evangelical nutjobs….trying to define what a woman does with her body…even suggesting a rape is acceptable and lawful means of conception is as idiotic as anything put into political discussion…period.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:29 pm
So is William Raspberry still vehemently opposed to guns?
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:30 pm
I guess that makes Jay the “goat whisperer”
td
January 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:02 pm
Yes, private individuals can sell firearms at these shows, hence, the “loophole” I suppose.
You “suppose” correctly.
But, then again, citizens can sell firearms at yard sales or flea markets too.
People don’t go to yard sales or flea markets to primarily buy guns.
People buy and sell guns all the time at yard sales, flea markets, at estate sales (picked up several good deals at these) and over the internet. As far as individual sales a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
2:14 pm
If anything, I think the guns shows may be more exposed to new law than other tactics discussed. However, private sales between individuals will proceed with all, if not increased vigor.
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
Learn to give lap dances
lol TBG!!!!!
If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Usually there are strawmen at gunshows to purchase guns if you
want one without a background check.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Ok, lets make a deal, folks.
Libs promise not to take away all of our guns and Cons will promise not to take away all of your abortions.
Deal?
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
moonbat – this liberal would ask if I was in the child bearing years. My twin females are only 18 right now but it is a good question, of which I will try to find the answer to.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
“If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head”
Then tilt your head back and open your mouth real wide
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
Moonbat,
I’m thinking about buying one of them fainting goats for my brothers farm. I’ve got some ideas on who I would name him after. And yes. The honor would have to go to one of the Bookman bloggers. If I were really fair I’d buy a whole heard of them to name after various denizens of the Bookman blog.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:36 pm
Herd dang I hate Autospell on a Droid.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:37 pm
Doom, the bad thing is, you may have to milk those suckers!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:39 pm
“Herd dang I hate Autospell on a Droid.”
No worries, Doom. I don’t think Kamchak or Doggone is here at the moment to go postal on you.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:40 pm
Buzz Belle
January 14th, 2013
2:08 pm
I am ashamed to say I went to Gingrey’s office when I was pregnant with twins. Had to see all the doctors in the group so I saw him a couple of times. I’m glad however, to say he was not in the room during the birth of my twins. For that, I am eternally grateful.
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What do you suppose he would have done that you would have objected to if he *was* in the room during the birth of your twins?
Look before I leap...
January 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
Even to a convicted felon!
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
moonbat betty
Doom, the bad thing is, you may have to milk those suckers!
………………………………..
only those with more than one udder and they do fall down for you…
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
Then tilt your head back and open your mouth real wide
Thanks for the advice moonbat! I may give it a try afterall.
Jay
January 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
Thulsa, YOU are complaining about hyperbolic raw red meat and heated emotional rhetoric?
oh, and sheets.
TBS
January 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
Libs promise not to take away all of our guns and Cons will promise not to take away all of your abortions.
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Seeing that it is only conservatives who own guns and liberals who have abortions, that might be a tough deal to make
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:45 pm
TBS
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:45 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
If a criminal wants a functioning firearm with no background checks, a gun show is the way to go. Plenty of inventory to choose from.
Kammy, I’ve found the opinions of most regulars on here can’t be moved with a hand grenade. Are there corrupt federally licensed gun dealers? My guess would be YES! Are there corrupt ____ ? (fill in the blank) The answer is still, yes. “Close the gun show loop hole…it will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane!!” It’s an ill-advised lib talking point. It makes you feel good because you are doing something, anything to address the issue. How, exactly, do you propose that we control person-to-person, private sales of firearms? That is what it will take to close the loophole. Telling citizens that they cannot sell something that belongs to them.
Or as VP Biden would say, “there is no silver bullet to solve gun violence….” (Did he really just say that?) No, I’m not in favor of doing nothing. Yes, gun violence needs to be addressed.
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
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.
.
.
Kinda like a car right?
OOps! That title gets registered with a government agency
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:30 pm
I guess that makes Jay the “goat whisperer”
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
Learn to give lap dances
lol TBG!!!!!
If I tryed to give anyone a lap dance I would only get the beer poured over my head.
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Then it would turn into a wet tee shirt contest.
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
I’m out in the country. My neighbor used to have a jackass named jack. I renamed him of course after one of the bloggers here. When I revealed the handle that I named the jackass after Jay gave me a brief vacation. The 2 goats were named after my 2 other fan club members. But they weren’t fainting goats. They were just plain ole stupid goats. So being stubborn and stupid they were still befitting the bloggers they were named after.
TBS
January 14th, 2013
2:49 pm
*It isn’t
LOL
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:49 pm
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
Usually there are strawmen at gunshows to purchase guns if you
want one without a background check.
Or they can go to the local gun store or Walmart and do the same. In fact, those businesses are open 7 days a week. The gun show comes to town twice a year and you have to pay to get in!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
“*It isn’t”
I know what you meant, TBS.
That was funny though.
td
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
Look before I leap…
January 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
Even to a convicted felon!
It is unlawful for a convicted felon to have a gun just like it is unlawful for a convicted felon to vote (they have given up their Constitutionally protected rights when they were convicted, although they can be restored). If you want to make it a law (which may already be one) that makes it illegal to sell a gin to a convicted felon then I could go along with it.
td
January 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
…a gun is my private property so I should be able to sell it if I want too.”
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Kinda like a car right?
OOps! That title gets registered with a government agency
Owning a car is not a Constitutionally protected right while owning a gun is (comparing apples to oranges). On top of that fact, I would be willing to bet you that there are more laws on the books about gun ownership then there are about car ownership.
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
3:52 pm
I figured it out Jay. media Matters sent out this weeks talking points to all you left wing fruit columnists that the “War on Women” must be revived. This of course is because Oblama appointed none for his top cabinet posts. She-male Napolitano will still be there though. Why couldn’t Oblama find some dem women worthy enough to be picked jay?
Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
3:55 pm
Peadawg
Aaaaaand there he is. Welcome! We were wondering when your bible-thumpin’ butt would show up.
Not thumpin the Bible mutt… Just asking some simple questions like why can’t Oblama find any women to work in the White House???
Rabbit
January 14th, 2013
8:35 pm
Cro-magnon congressmen. How do we elect them?
lovelyliz
January 15th, 2013
10:54 am
the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood ONLY UNTIL BIRTH
dabir dalton
January 15th, 2013
7:08 pm
Hmmm a man marries in good faith and is divorced by his unfaithful wife against his will – raped of his children, home and financial resources – and to add insult to injury he is required to pay child support for his children even though his ex wife won’t allow him visitation and seeks to turn them against their father. Man is told to shut up, man up and pay up or go to jail.
Turn about is fair play and as far as I’m concerned until our society decides to have compassion for men in the above situation women can shut up, man up and carry the child to term.