Gingrey, Broun would put rape theory into federal law
Last week, U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, Republican from Marietta, announced that a former colleague who suggested that “legitimate” rape victims rarely become pregnant had been “partially right”.
Here are Gingrey’s remarks to a Chamber of Commerce breakfast, as reported initially in the Marietta Daily Journal:
“Part of the reason the Dems still control the Senate is because of comments made in Missouri by Todd Akin and Indiana by (Richard) Mourdock were considered a little bit over the top. Mourdock basically said ‘Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that’s still a child, and it’s a child of God, essentially.’ Now, in Indiana, that cost him the election.
“And in Missouri, Todd Akin, a long-term member of the House of Representatives and a very, VERY good personal friend of mine, was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, ‘Look, in a legitimate rape situation’ — and what he meant by legitimate rape was this, look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents — that’s pretty tough — and might on some occasion say, ‘Hey, I was raped.’ That’s what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape.
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.
“I’m an OB-GYN doctor. I’ve been an OB-GYN doctor for a long time, since 1975. And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight, because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right, wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down, because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”
Not surprisingly, those remarks re-ignited a national controversy. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists released a statement exposing the bad science behind Gingrey’s claim, noting that “while chronic stress, for example from extreme exposure to famine or war, may decrease a woman’s ability to conceive, there is no scientific evidence that adrenaline, experienced in an acute stress situation, has an impact on ovulation.”
The science — not to mention eons of tragic human history — make it clear that pregnancy through rape is all too common. For example, in a study of 68 victims assaulted as part of mass rape during the Bosnian war, 29 women became pregnant as a result of the attacks and 17 chose abortion to end those pregnancies. As the researchers found, “The decision to have an abortion was strongly predicted by suicidal thoughts and impulses” on the part of the victim. Other studies have documented a pregnancy rate of 5 percent in rapes, producing an estimated 32,000 rape-created pregnancies a year in this country.
(In the horrors of the Bosnian war, women were raped repeatedly and for an extended period of time, sometimes with the avowed goal of impregnation as a means of ethnic humiliation, which may account for the higher pregnancy rate in that instance.)
The next day, Gingrey attempted, implausibly, to back off his clear statement of support, saying that “I do not defend, nor do I stand by, the remarks made by Rep. Akin and Mr. Mourdock. In my attempt to provide context as to what I presumed they meant, my position was misconstrued.” (
You can re-read Gingrey’s initial statement above and judge for yourself whether it was misconstrued. (In his initial comments, he did go on to say that “I’m not standing up here defending people saying stupid things.”) But more importantly, you can and should judge Gingrey and his colleagues by their actions.
Earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others. The bill (text available here) declares that “the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”
Should such absolutist legislation become law, an embryo conceived in rape would “have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood,” and a rape victim who sought an abortion would become guilty of attempted murder. There is no rape exception in the legislation, because there is no exception in the mindset that created it. A rape victim should just “man up” and deal with it.
That’s the bottom line of this discussion; that’s what makes this whole affair much more important than just another congressman saying something offensive.
I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life. “Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen,” as Mourdock put it in a debate last fall. Yet for many Americans, the real-life implications of that theoretically tidy position are absolutely unacceptable. It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.
Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape, a second instance in which control of a woman’s life and body is stripped from her involuntarily and she is reduced to an unwilling breeding machine. And we are not going back to those days.
– Jay Bookman
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281 comments Add your comment
Mick
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Oy Vey!!!
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
godless heathen
January 14th, 2013
11:57 am
You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.
Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………
Well I don’t, so there! phttttt
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Well good. I’m proud of you. Stand your ground and take your party back from the nuts.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
When did the taliban ever control this country? If they have never been in control of this country then how in the heck can you construe that my comment was talking about this country? Dang son, reading comprehension is a powerful tool.
nathan's political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:02 pm
typical gop sociopathic tripe, if karma exists both of them will join good personal friend and fellow rape nut todd akin in permanent retirement from public policy
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:02 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
“Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing”
speaking as someone with first-hand experience … sometimes it is.
and, no, I’m not ashamed of it.
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How old were you if you don’t mind answering and I’m not being too personal?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
C. Conservative — “Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing…. ”
An abortion saved my wife’s life 15 years ago.
You telling me that’s a *bad* thing?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
11:56 am
When did the taliban ever control this country? If they have never been in control of this country then how in the heck can you construe that my comment was talking about this country? Dang son, reading comprehension is a powerful tool.
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That’s right dad, so go back and read the stupid crap you posted and tell me what I didn’t comprehend. I didn’t write your crap, I merely responded to it.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
Deal reached on guns in New York and no they are not taking guns like the gop spewed.
Rape is a global problem and nothing to play politics with cons.
nathan's political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
the days of these xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, bible thumping old white dudes are numbered, for the better of all mankind
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
“Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place”
HA!
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
Ahh, Cobb County…the ones that gave us Newt Gingrich, and now this other G-guy…that got itself banned from holding a ‘96 Olympics event because of an anti-gay thing or something…that took on Charles Darwin – along with science and biology – by voting to add a ‘disclaimer’ to its text books…that has allowed the Roswell Street and Johnson Ferry Baptists, as well as the Mt. Bethel Methodists and who knows what other mega-churches, dictate political and public education policy…Cobb County, that made sure back in ‘68 that none of ‘them’ would be able to ride trains or busses ‘across the river’ – did you ever hear of someone fleeing a crime scene on a bus? Cobb County, that lynched an innocent, Jewish, man cause they thought he had ‘done it’…that burned out an entire black community along the RR tracks in Smyrna cause they thought some of them did something too. Yes Cobb, you’ve got a long and proud tradition…keep it up. Oh yeah, did I mentioni J B Stoner?
TaxPayer
January 14th, 2013
12:05 pm
Almond Joy’s got nuts,
Cons don’t.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:05 pm
“How old were you if you don’t mind answering and I’m not being too personal?”
23.
and it’s why I always say that, no, birth control does NOT always work, even if you do use it correctly.
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
12:06 pm
If the gun banning laws don’t work, they can just go back to the way it was. Truth is they work.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:07 pm
Dirty Dawg
The Nutster was a Carpetbagger from PA.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
If you do not understand that the taliban controlled Afghanistan and that they subjugated their women to “slavery” of men before we took over the country and that Obama is pulling out our troops to allow them to take back over and put their women back into that state then you showing your lack of intelligence and I can not help how stupid that makes you look.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
“If the gun banning laws don’t work … ”
… then why do they think banning abortion will???
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
USinUK
and it’s why I always say that, no, birth control does NOT always work, even if you do use it correctly.
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but it should be available at no cost, in all forms, to all of us, at all times.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
USinner
Yep, I have had many friends over the years (pre abortion) where BC just didn’t work and vatican roulette ruled the day.
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.”
Ok Aquagirl – put it to the test. Find three friends (if you have any) who heard about the legitimate rape comment and ask them why it was controversial. Unless they are political junkies, they will probably all tell you that he said rape was legitimate.
jw
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
Has anyone contacted his medical school for comment?. Maybe the AMA can pull his license?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
USinUK; Thanks. If I get time, I’ll send you my “story.” I also know about the birth control thing. My sister went to an all girls college and she knew 3 girls who religiously took their pills that got pregnant.
Cherokee
January 14th, 2013
12:11 pm
“And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.”
You are just increasingly incoherent, buddy.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:13 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
If you do not understand that the taliban controlled Afghanistan and that they subjugated their women to “slavery” of men before we took over the country and that Obama is pulling out our troops to allow them to take back over and put their women back into that state then you showing your lack of intelligence and I can not help how stupid that makes you look.
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If you cant’ understand that we are talking about the US and NOT Afghanistan, I can’t tell YOU how stupid YOU look.
Screw Afghanistan. Only you idiot republicans somehow think thta the US Constitution says it’s our job to police Afghanistan. If you REALLY want to stop slavery and not just be a slogan spewing jackass why don’t you campaign for military operations in China to end THEIR slavery. How about Darfur>
Or how about you just stay on subject you silly little boy and talk about the US.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:13 pm
” but it should be available at no cost, in all forms, to all of us, at all times.”
and all the followers of the FSM say RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!!!
“My sister went to an all girls college and she knew 3 girls who religiously took their pills that got pregnant.”
I do, too (three) – one of whom was a nurse. It happens everyday.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:14 pm
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
“Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.”
Ok Aquagirl – put it to the test. Find three friends (if you have any) who heard about the legitimate rape comment and ask them why it was controversial. Unless they are political junkies, they will probably all tell you that he said rape was legitimate.
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Really? We can’t help it if all your friends are stupid.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:16 pm
the cat: I like being progressively conservative.
indigo
January 14th, 2013
12:16 pm
td – 12:09
Injustice abounds in many parts of the world. And, it may be that, after we leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will take over again.
Since the people of Afghanistan are no better or worse than any other people, by your logic we should not only stay indefinitely there but become the world’s police officer for any country where any people, men, women, boys or girls, are being mis-treated.
Do you honestly think we’re so rich that this is feasible?
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:17 pm
Fred ™
the cat: I like being progressively conservative
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So have you made it to the 1960’s yet?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:18 pm
USinUK
http://evolvefish.com/fish/fsm.html
Ramen FSM followers supply cabinet.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:21 pm
Common: Actually I STOPPED at the 60’s. I’m still groovin’ on all that free love, good acid, and great music. Well occasionally I’ll dip into the early 70’s for some tunes…………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM0IDLAntVM
Georgia
January 14th, 2013
12:22 pm
Having a woman cry rape is a legitimate fear. If your date is a psycho then you could become a victim of a lie. Like what just happened to me with those Seahawks cheerleaders.
fedup
January 14th, 2013
12:24 pm
Cave dwellers had more intelligence those four names mentioned above.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:25 pm
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:12 pm
you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country
TD, kindly find one (1) progressive posting here who has said they have “no problem” with the sexist afghan pigs.
Just one.
Until you do, keep your fat, ignorant yap shut.
By supporting the Obama policy is by abstention supporting the taliban and the way they treat women. Saying anything else is just horse hockey.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:25 pm
Fred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KODZtjOIPg
Jay
January 14th, 2013
12:26 pm
Please halt all personal attacks.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 14th, 2013
12:27 pm
Isn’t horse hockey the same as polo?
Seriously Folks
January 14th, 2013
12:27 pm
This is such a touchy subject. WAY too many “personal” beliefs on both sides to make this “debate” have any objectivity. I would like to believe that if something such as rape happened in my family, that it would be a personal issue…and a decision based on personal beliefs, expectations and a moral compass.
However, it is always easy to espouse your own belief when you are NOT affected. I had a sibling who left her husband because of “sexual improprieties” with her kids…he wasn’t “caught in the act” but it was there…now that piece of trash luckily checked out of their lives..however, he “is” their father…and by that, he can come back anytime to argue for equal visitation with his kids..
SO my question to all those Cons out there…IF one of your female relatives was raped..are YOU prepared to welcome that rapist back into your families??????….(insert sounds of crickets!!!)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:29 pm
“Having a woman cry rape is a legitimate fear.”
so is a fear of shark attack.
that doesn’t mean that, statistically, it happens that often.
http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusation/
weetamoe
January 14th, 2013
12:30 pm
My, president expendable is having a rare news conference and he seems a mite peevish. Hope Bo finds a bed to hide under, else he might suffer a kick from the master today.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:31 pm
weetamoe
January 14th, 2013
12:30 pm
My, president expendable is having a rare news conference and he seems a mite peevish. Hope Bo finds a bed to hide under, else he might suffer a kick from the master today.
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What is a president expendable? Are you advocating assassination?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:32 pm
“What is a president expendable?”
maybe he meant expandable … was he carrying an accordion folder?
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:33 pm
Bo is a great dog and the press conference was just common sense.
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
alittlecommonsense
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
There goes the former girl again with that misleading link. I already sent a link to discredit it. It was even discredited on the slate. See below link -
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/08/the_enliven_project_s_false_rape_accusations_infographic_great_intentions.html
Fat Boy
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
Proof that Gingrey is a legitimate moron.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
12:35 pm
“Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
And I support free beer for me. That doesn’t make it law.
Next?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:36 pm
weetamoe
If President, I would be peevish also, of having to urge the
House of Representatives to pay the debt that it has created.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:37 pm
“No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
Hyde.
Amendment.
It doesn’t matter if the Dems want the government to give you a pony with every abortion, no federal money can be used to pay for abortion services.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:38 pm
Fat Boy
Proof that Gingrey is a legitimate moron.
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I would think more an illegitimate moron.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:38 pm
We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:39 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives. It’s really a joke, yet millions of people in the U.S. hang on his every word. Of course, Obama is the Devil incarnate complete with horns and a tail. It just goes to show you don’t have to be too smart to be a conservative.
GT
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
A men governing body deciding the outcome of this law is at best archaic. They have engrained religion into law to trump any debate with a mystic knowledge that only they control the interpretation of.
It seems the right only knows they are saying something stupid from public reaction; they otherwise are clueless of the perception of their thinking, resulting from their bubble existence. A large part of their dysfunction is they are reaching over to another world which they want to govern with no real knowledge or regards to the needs of that community; a bit like taxation without representation.
Aquagirl
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
Wow, what a great deal! This makes me want to run out and get pregnant just so I can have a free abortion, preferably in the last trimester! Woohoo!
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:40 pm
BTW, the war on terror moved to Mali .
Leon H
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
It is with great revulsion that I look upon “my” government, or more accurately what passes for government these days, because my concept of government would never be so moronic, so invasive and lack any semblance of common sense, protection of it’s citizens and their Constitution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlMFWmotSU&list=FL-_TQr0e8SIo2Tj5Q1QrLqw&index=3&feature=plpp_video
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
” It was even discredited on the slate. See below link -”
you might want to look at WHAT was discredited … it wasn’t false accusations, it was the number of UNREPORTED RAPES. Given that, it actually makes the percentage of false accusations EVEN SMALLER.
Real Scootter
January 14th, 2013
12:41 pm
And I support free beer for me
Fred,
How do I become a member of the Free Beer Party?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
Al Galore
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
US RICH PEOPLE WILL TAKE CARE OD ALL YOU BABY MOMA’S…THOSE DEADBEAT DADS WON’T!
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
The real question here is why would anyone with an IQ of 50 or above take ANYTHING Paul Broun say seriously. Especially after his ludicrous statements on creationism.
Michael
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
Dr. Phil made the comment that in some cases, “that horse has already left the barn.” I assume that is his medical training kicking in. However, he is only partially correct. Perhaps the horse’s head had left the barn.
However, thanks to the comments from members of congress, including his comments, we can now verify that the back end of the horse has also left the barn.
bookman parrot
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
jay, you must not have had much energy today, to put together anything worth speaking about;
what a waste of effort, time, and thought, by mostly libs that can’t afford to lose too much. LOL
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:43 pm
USinUK
On October 22, 1993, President Clinton signed into law the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 1994.[3] The Act contained a new version of the Hyde Amendment that expanded the category of abortions for which federal funds are available under Medicaid to include cases of rape and incest.[4]
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thus the ‘ legitimate rape’ debate
Soothsayer
January 14th, 2013
12:46 pm
Ooops! It was Gingrey making the stupid statements.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:46 pm
USinUK
sorry, that C&P is from Wikipedia..
Ronald Reagan Parkway
January 14th, 2013
12:47 pm
Off topic but, how can the Georgia Legislature implement “Ethics Laws” and say that a citizen can not report ethics violations? They love their trickery!!!
td
January 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
I think Lush ought to be required listening for all progressives.
Couldn’t I just drive red-hot railroad spike through my ears instead?
It is your choice so go for it if you want too. I am petitioning my state representatives to make Rush the only viable station during the lunch periods in all schools.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
12:49 pm
parrot,
Write something better.
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
12:50 pm
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
11:16 am
“check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.”
BS – there is no mandated abortion coverage OUT OF TAX / FEDERAL DOLLARS (you can’t due to the Hyde amendment) – there is mandated coverage out of private insurance.
And with the subsidies in obamacare the taxpayer is paying for abortions and birth control.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:51 pm
” thus the ‘ legitimate rape’ debate”
criminey – I just wish they’d cover it for the servicewomen who are assaulted while serving our country.
rightwingextreme
January 14th, 2013
12:51 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
12:34 pm
“The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right”
Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.
They are the party of death.
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:52 pm
Common Sensor…I don’t care where he was from…Cobb County put him in the House of Representatives.
Dirty Dawg
January 14th, 2013
12:52 pm
Common Sensor…I don’t care where he was from…Cobb County put him in the House of Representatives.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
12:54 pm
USinUK
Much of the status of active duty personnel needs to be revisited.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:55 pm
The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade
As do the vast majority of Americans.
http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
12:55 pm
rightwing – “And with the subsidies in obamacare the taxpayer is paying for abortions and birth control.”
criminey – by that measure, ANY subsidy that the Federal Government gives could be used to pay for abortions … food stamps, unemployment, etc.
Moderate Line
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
The rape and incest exception is problematic. If woman wants an abortion because of rape what do you do with the alleged rapist? Do you charge him with rape? What happens if he is exonerated?
I believe these people are doing in a round about way is showing the exception is more complex than just saying I against abortion except in case of rape and incest. This forces people to either be for abortion or against in all cases.
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
and td, if you weren’t a complete ignoranus (calling you an “ignoramus” would be an insult to all the merely ignorant out there) you would know that strongly and unequivocally supporting Roe v. Wade is not, as you foolishly assert, equal “No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion.”
I wonder how someone as stupid as you manages to breathe and dress himself.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:01 pm
” Much of the status of active duty personnel needs to be revisited.”
and women in the military academies
http://news.yahoo.com/few-report-sex-assaults-military-academies-195038074.html
Doggone/GA
January 14th, 2013
1:02 pm
“Concentrate of what Akin said, not on what you imagine that people have said ABOUT what he said”
We ARE. And the corrollary of what he said is: if you get pregant you WEREN’T RAPED
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:03 pm
USinUK
Saw your recipe for pot roasted chicken this am and I am anxious to try it. I do wish you would change your mind about pot roast beef and post a recipe.
Jaynie
January 14th, 2013
1:05 pm
God help us all, these idiots are running our country. And they evidently have enough support to get re-elected. From Akins’ “legitmate rape”, Murdock’s “it’s God’s will”, to Ryan’s,” rape is a method of conception”, comments, the GOP gets worse and worse. Why, if the GOP is all for less government interference in our day to day lives, do they continue with this nonsense? And why do they keep getting re-elected? Abortion is a very personal decision to be made with sound medical advice, religious advice if sought, and much soul searching. For those of you who believe all life is sacred from the moment of conception, stay out of the lives of those who don’t belive the same way. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion, but they should certainly be available, affordable, and safe if a woman chooses that option for herself.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:05 pm
“I do wish you would change your mind about pot roast beef and post a recipe.”
(gag)
although I love a killer slow cooker pork shoulder … mmmmmmmmm nom
going to cook a shoulder of lamb this weekend … tagine-style!
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
1:06 pm
nathan’s political arsonist
January 14th, 2013
12:04 pm
the days of these xenophobic, homophobic, racist, bigoted, bible thumping old white dudes are numbered, for the better of all mankind
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What about the “old white dudes” that are none of those things?
Will they survive?
Also, do you have a appx number or percentage of “old white dudes” that fall into those catagories?
Jm
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
republicans are dumb and clearly don’t know when to shut up
though its not just an issue of shutting up
the other part is using their brains
St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
I have never seen a party more obsessed with sex.
well, you know what they say, those that can’t do it, talk about it.
Jay
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
sfd, right after I post a request about ceasing personal attacks, you post that?
You’re banned until tomorrow.
Mick
January 14th, 2013
1:07 pm
On another front:
The deficit has ballooned not because of specific spending measures, but because of the recession. The deficit more than doubled between 2008 and 2009, as the economy was in free fall, since laid-off workers paid less in taxes and needed more benefits. The deficit then shrank in 2010 and 2011.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:08 pm
a little common sense (and evidently no reading comprehension) – from the link you so proudly touted …
if you read BEYOND THE HEADLINE, you’d see that it supports what I’m saying:
The graphic OVERESTIMATES the number of false accusations. This infographic is intended to drive home how rare false accusations are, and yet, because of a simple error, it overestimates how many actually occur.
Jm
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
“You’re banned until tomorrow.”
spank
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
USinUK
Lamb?
Waaaaaay too rich for my palate.
Roast beef is what I grew up with, and I can’t seem to get the garlic flavor in it the way mom did. Next time I’m gonna try putting slivers of garlic in the meat itself.
About your chicken recipe — I don’t have a casserole dish deep enough for a 3-5 lb chicken, so would an enamel coated cast iron dutch oven work as a substitute?
td
January 14th, 2013
1:10 pm
stands for decibels
January 14th, 2013
12:56 pm
I will refrain from the personal attack since Jay asked us too.
” including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”
Does this not mean that the Democrats support the government to pay for abortions? If not then what does this mean?
” We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.”
I guess this means that the Dems support restrictions?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
1:11 pm
USinUK
Indeed the status of the academies should not be a problem since
the ’self rule’ should require all instances to be reported by all students
and the offenders should be weeded out and the offended supported.
The administration should be treated as McChrystal was treated.
Madmax
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
Off topic but it’s a rare day when the French show more leadership than the US in fighting terrorism and Islamic radicals and do what the joint chiefs of staff have been pushing for.
“But all that deliberate planning collapsed swiftly when heavily armed, battle-hardened Islamist fighters returned from combat in Libya. They teamed up with jihadists like Ansar Dine, routed poorly equipped Malian forces and demoralized them so thoroughly that it set off a mutiny against the government in the capital, Bamako.
A confidential internal review completed last July by the Pentagon’s Africa Command concluded that the coup had unfolded too quickly for American commanders or intelligence analysts to detect any clear warning signs.
“The coup in Mali progressed very rapidly and with very little warning,” said Col. Tom Davis, a command spokesman. “The spark that ignited it occurred within their junior military ranks, who ultimately overthrew the government, not at the senior leadership level where warning signs might have been more easily noticed.”
But one Special Operations Forces officer disagreed, saying, “This has been brewing for five years. The analysts got complacent in their assumptions and did not see the big changes and the impacts of them, like the big weaponry coming out of Libya and the different, more Islamic” fighters who came back. ”
How’s that Obama foreign policy working Jay?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
“I don’t have a casserole dish deep enough for a 3-5 lb chicken, so would an enamel coated cast iron dutch oven work as a substitute?”
that’s actually perfect since you can do all the initial cooking on the top of the stove then sling it in the oven. I don’t have one, so I use a big casserole dish so have to dirty up TWO dishes (dammit!)
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
1:13 pm
R. W. Extreme — “Democratic party platform statement on abortion. No restrictions and the government should pay for the abortion. They are the party of death.”
Said the party of the death penalty and of preemptive wars of choice.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 14th, 2013
1:14 pm
laters!!!
Peadawg
January 14th, 2013
1:15 pm
“You’re banned until tomorrow.”
sfd got a slap on the wrist compared to others on here. weak, jay.
indigo
January 14th, 2013
1:18 pm
rightwingextreme – 12:52
15 to 20% of all pregnacies end in spontaneous abortion.
The Bible says God knows even when a sparrow falls.
So, God must know about all these spontaneous abortions and chooses to do nothing about them.
So, is your God the God of death?
Or, is He a “do as I say, not as I do” God?
http://bible.cc/matthew/10-29.htm