Gingrey, Broun would put rape theory into federal law

Last week, U.S. Rep. Phil Gingrey, Republican from Marietta, announced that a former colleague who suggested that “legitimate” rape victims rarely become pregnant had been “partially right”.

Here are Gingrey’s remarks to a Chamber of Commerce breakfast, as reported initially in the Marietta Daily Journal:

“Part of the reason the Dems still control the Senate is because of comments made in Missouri by Todd Akin and Indiana by (Richard) Mourdock were considered a little bit over the top. Mourdock basically said ‘Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that’s still a child, and it’s a child of God, essentially.’ Now, in Indiana, that cost him the election.

“And in Missouri, Todd Akin, a long-term member of the House of Representatives and a very, VERY good personal friend of mine, was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, ‘Look, in a legitimate rape situation’ — and what he meant by legitimate rape was this, look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents — that’s pretty tough — and might on some occasion say, ‘Hey, I was raped.’ That’s what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape.

“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.

“I’m an OB-GYN doctor. I’ve been an OB-GYN doctor for a long time, since 1975. And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight, because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right, wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down, because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”

Not surprisingly, those remarks re-ignited a national controversy. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists released a statement exposing the bad science behind Gingrey’s claim, noting that “while chronic stress, for example from extreme exposure to famine or war, may decrease a woman’s ability to conceive, there is no scientific evidence that adrenaline, experienced in an acute stress situation, has an impact on ovulation.”

The science — not to mention eons of tragic human history — make it clear that pregnancy through rape is all too common. For example, in a study of 68 victims assaulted as part of mass rape during the Bosnian war, 29 women became pregnant as a result of the attacks and 17 chose abortion to end those pregnancies. As the researchers found, “The decision to have an abortion was strongly predicted by suicidal thoughts and impulses” on the part of the victim. Other studies have documented a pregnancy rate of 5 percent in rapes, producing an estimated 32,000 rape-created pregnancies a year in this country.

(In the horrors of the Bosnian war, women were raped repeatedly and for an extended period of time, sometimes with the avowed goal of impregnation as a means of ethnic humiliation, which may account for the higher pregnancy rate in that instance.)

The next day, Gingrey attempted, implausibly, to back off his clear statement of support, saying that “I do not defend, nor do I stand by, the remarks made by Rep. Akin and Mr. Mourdock. In my attempt to provide context as to what I presumed they meant, my position was misconstrued.” (

You can re-read Gingrey’s initial statement above and judge for yourself whether it was misconstrued. (In his initial comments, he did go on to say that “I’m not standing up here defending people saying stupid things.”) But more importantly, you can and should judge Gingrey and his colleagues by their actions.

Earlier this month, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others. The bill (text available here) declares that “the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”

Should such absolutist legislation become law, an embryo conceived in rape would “have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood,” and a rape victim who sought an abortion would become guilty of attempted murder. There is no rape exception in the legislation, because there is no exception in the mindset that created it. A rape victim should just “man up” and deal with it.

That’s the bottom line of this discussion; that’s what makes this whole affair much more important than just another congressman saying something offensive.

I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life. “Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen,” as Mourdock put it in a debate last fall. Yet for many Americans, the real-life implications of that theoretically tidy position are absolutely unacceptable. It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.

Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape, a second instance in which control of a woman’s life and body is stripped from her involuntarily and she is reduced to an unwilling breeding machine. And we are not going back to those days.

– Jay Bookman

281 comments Add your comment

TBS

January 14th, 2013
10:48 am

And the hits keep coming

the cat

January 14th, 2013
10:53 am

Loving the terminology of “unwilling breeding machine”. Thanks Jay!

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
10:55 am

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia introduced “The Sanctity of Human Life Act,” co-sponsored by Gingrey, U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia and recent GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, among others.

Just imagine–with a President Romney and a GOPer Senate, such awesome legislation could become awesome law.

Road Scholar

January 14th, 2013
10:55 am

What idiots! Since you want to give the American people freedom, as long as it agrees to your interpretations, can we inflict our views on you instead…I mean in the name of freedom?

If you don’t want abortions…do not have one! But leave others to make up their own minds in consult with their ministers and their understanding of their religion and spirituality!

the cat

January 14th, 2013
10:55 am

I am beginning to wonder if there is something about this very, VERY close friendship between these two neanderthals. Boyfriends, lovers or just colleagues. HHHMMMMM.

Aquagirl

January 14th, 2013
10:57 am

Dumb Republicans shoot themselves in the foot–again. They must have one of those magic Hollywood guns that never runs out of bullets.

larry

January 14th, 2013
11:02 am

So Dr.’s make good congressmen, hmmmmm.

If they were such good doctors, why would they run for congress ?

King of Kolob

January 14th, 2013
11:03 am

We can’t blame Gingrey for his nonsense when we voters do not demand more from our elected officials. I do not believe he believes what he is saying, but he is saying what his supporters want to hear. Personally, I would be afraid to have any learned person who is spouting such nonsense examine me in the role of Doctor.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 14th, 2013
11:04 am

It would mean that rape victims would be required by law and government edict to carry the product of rape for nine months and then to endure the pain of birth.

For a party against government mandates (an unfortunate word for these circumstances), you would think they would be howling about the loss of “freedom”. Under the GOP mandated birth provisions, would a raped woman be required to support that child? Would there be government assistance to cover the costs of pregnancy and birth? While there may be adoption options for some, what if the child is premature or has medical issues?

the cat

January 14th, 2013
11:04 am

My husband read somewhere that Marietta, Ga was one of the best cities to retire. Honestly, with these idiots representing the city, I find that very hard to believe.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 14th, 2013
11:05 am

The best way to prevent abortions is to provide birth control and effective sex education… which the GOP peacocks also block. :roll:

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:05 am

So Dr.’s make good congressmen, hmmmmm.

to quote the Rude Pundit, and why not:

You got that? Raped girls lie, juiced-up p##sy juice can stop pregnancy, and women need some wine to loosen up. Gingrey’s a great doctor, man. You can trust him. Hell, back in 2005, he was able to diagnose noted vegetable Terri Schiavo without even examining her, saying, “The tragedy of this situation is that with proper treatment, now denied, Terri’s condition can improve.” Then as now, he would have been right except for the fact that he was completely wrong.

There’s gotta be more than a few women in Cobb Country today who feel just a little queasy about who they trusted to deliver their babies and take care of their oh-so confusing lady parts.

Aquagirl

January 14th, 2013
11:06 am

Fetus-worship comments from the usual cons in 3…2…1….

Pizzaman

January 14th, 2013
11:07 am

Well said all! But they keep getting re-elected, don’t they?

Jerome Horwitz

January 14th, 2013
11:07 am

Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.

Remember the wise words of George Carlin – republicans love the fetus, but, hate the child.

bman

January 14th, 2013
11:07 am

Mister Bookman – you were sort of hard enough on this man. I don’t care much for Gingrey.

curious

January 14th, 2013
11:09 am

Guess all those German women raped by the Russians weren’t raped after all, otherwise they wouldn’t had those babies/abortions.

Trolls Bane

January 14th, 2013
11:10 am

This proposed bill is nothing but religions ideology from people who’s true allegaince is not to the US or the constitution, but to a man on a throne!

Peadawg

January 14th, 2013
11:10 am

Keep it up, Republicans. Continue moving farther to the right. That’s the reason I left your crazy Bible-thumping party.

getalife

January 14th, 2013
11:10 am

“Chamber of Commerce”

Where are they on the gop welching on the money they already spent?

rightwingextreme

January 14th, 2013
11:12 am

Jerome Horwitz

January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.

yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 14th, 2013
11:12 am

The Party of Rape.

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:13 am

And in news of the Progress the Right is making on fixing our economy……………..

nothing.

Idiots.

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:13 am

yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer

Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.

larry

January 14th, 2013
11:14 am

Its telling when 4,000 people write in Charles Darwin’s name on election day in Paul Brouns’ district.

getalife

January 14th, 2013
11:14 am

There is no way in hell would I let that con touch my pregnant wife.

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:14 am

rightwingextreme

January 14th, 2013
11:12 am

Jerome Horwitz

January 14th, 2013
11:07 am
Gingrey may have been a doctor since 1975, but, he’s been a moron way before then. Notice how all of the sponsors of this bill are older, white men. The issue of abortion should be between the woman, the sperm donor (if agreed to by the woman), and her doctor.

yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.
+++++++++++++++++++++

And the right wing lies just keep on coming………………

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:14 am

as I said downstairs (before I was so rudely dead-threaded):

I can’t believe that, after the shellacking they got at the polls, the GOP is still defending the “legitimate rape” bollocks …

AND it looks like Ryan is going for gold and sponsoring another doomed fetus / personhood bill.

no one ever told them that the definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result

rightwingextreme

January 14th, 2013
11:15 am

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer

Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.

Uhhhh….check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:15 am

“yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer…..can’t have it both ways.”

BS.

we don’t clamor for it to be paid for by the taxpayer (unless the woman is in the military, IMHO) – we just want them to get the hell out of our personal business!

Welcome to the Occupation

January 14th, 2013
11:15 am

Many women — let me correct that, many people of both genders — see that as almost a second rape…. And we are not going back to those days

Don’t be so sure.

N-GA

January 14th, 2013
11:15 am

I kinda understand why Cobb County women voted for these guys. After all, they date and (sometimes) marry Cobb County men. Honey Boo-Boo can’t wait to move to Cobb.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:16 am

“check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.”

BS – there is no mandated abortion coverage OUT OF TAX / FEDERAL DOLLARS (you can’t due to the Hyde amendment) – there is mandated coverage out of private insurance.

St Simons - aboriginal Bootakook 2014

January 14th, 2013
11:18 am

“And yet the media took that and tore it apart”

and you can hear the media blamed for everything from this to
genital warts and lice, too, from noon to 3 on your AM radio.
These are some sick *&*I(s

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:18 am

USinUK: Good try but the Extremist doesn’t care about truth nor is he bright enough to understand it. Rush said there is tax payer abortion so there is, period, because Rush would NEVER lie………

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 14th, 2013
11:20 am

Just WOW, like they didn’t learn a thing from this last election. My guess is that they’re going to try and get as much passed through the House as they can so they can show their purity to the cause. So much for jobs and helping the American people. These jokers are starting where the 112th left off, abortion rights means jobs, jobs, jobs in their eyes.

godless heathen

January 14th, 2013
11:22 am

Well nothing new here.

I’ll just say before I go that before you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.

Jerome Horwitz

January 14th, 2013
11:22 am

rwextreme – see where you’va already been corrected. Most of us on the left support coverage through insurance policies.

However, would you rather the gubmint pay for an abortion or support the child for 18 years through welfare?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

“Good try but the Extremist doesn’t care about truth”

a problem that is persistent amongst those on that side of the aisle

Granny Godzilla

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

rightwingextreme

January 14th, 2013
11:15 am

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:13 am
yet the left clamors for this to be paid for by the taxpayer

Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down.

Uhhhh….check out obamacare. mandated abortion coverage and birth control to be paid for by the taxpayer.
..
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.
.
.
Uhh,,,nope.

Best check out your own personal “check out” process, as it just failed epically.

getalife

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

The gop are trying to keep their base so they have to stay the course.

This is great for our country because it means they should lose all elections.

Jefferson

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

Both of those congressmen are about dumb as hell.

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

godless – the problem is that no one from the Republican party or other Conservatives stands up and says ENOUGH! The silence from them means they approve of what these old guys are saying.

Look before I leap...

January 14th, 2013
11:24 am

I totally get that there are some who believe that life begins at conception.
What I don’t get is the fervent desire to impose that belief on others.

What REALLY gets me to scratching my head is that the group who believes in the sanctity of life when it comes to people yet to be born, seems to be much of the same group who support the death penalty and the ardent desire to be able to use deadly force for purposes of self-preservation.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

January 14th, 2013
11:25 am

I can understand the GOP’s views on assault weapons better now. These people use extended capacity verbal magazines to continuously shoot themselves in the foot. It staggers the mind…

barking frog

January 14th, 2013
11:25 am

The sad part is the women that support these superstitious tyrants.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:25 am

“What REALLY gets me to scratching my head is that the group who believes in the sanctity of life when it comes to people yet to be born, seems to be much of the same group who support the death penalty and the ardent desire to be able to use deadly force for purposes of self-preservation.”

what they mean is that only SOME life is sacred …

alittlecommonsense

January 14th, 2013
11:28 am

Much talk about nothing. The “legitimate rape” comment was intentionally minconstrued by the mainstream media as if he meant legitimate as in ok. He obviously meant legitimate as in true or actual. If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.

Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok. And everyone knows that sometimes rape is claimed and it didn’t really happen. If you think everyone who claims to have been raped is telling the truth, you are an idiot. Some claims are legitiamate, some aren’t.

larry

January 14th, 2013
11:28 am

Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 14th, 2013
11:29 am

you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.

However, these positions have been reiterated by many of the GOP representatives and leadership, supported by GOP donors and accepted by many GOP members.

Its one thing to cite a “Cynthia McKinney” and claim that her absurdity represented ALL libs or Dems when her absurdity was never “adopted” by 99.9% of most on the left, its another if a significant number of leaders and party members “adopted” those claims. The GOP has willingly and repeatedly embraced the crazy.

indigo

January 14th, 2013
11:29 am

Gingrey and Broun are members of the Taliban Tea Party and, as such, have a deep and fundamental contempt for women.

Republican women who follow such men are no different from Taliban women who humbly follow their men.

These men have been here along but are now emboldened to become more visible than ever.

“by their fruits you shall know them”

Peadawg

January 14th, 2013
11:30 am

“If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.”

So what’s the difference between “actual rape” and “rape”?

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:30 am

Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.

Certainly not (I know a few righteously sane ones, myself).

But there are enough of the Andy-the-welcher types living there to ensure Gingrey’s continued viability.

kristens

January 14th, 2013
11:32 am

Broun is mentally unfit to hold office!

Jeffrey

January 14th, 2013
11:32 am

What voting populace will re-elect these guys? Please tell me these statements are enough to throw these guys out. Please.

Doggone/GA

January 14th, 2013
11:32 am

“I agree that as a matter of logic and principle, it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.”

And I don’t agree. As long as the foetus is developmentally at a stage where it is completely and totally dependent on the woman’s body for survival, and it WOULD NOT survive outside the womb…it does NOT have a “right to life” Nature has provided that it is the woman’s decision to continue the pregnancy, not that of the foetus.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:34 am

“Not all Cobb Countians are like Mr. Gingrey.”

being from Cobb, myself, I agree. However, that’s not the point … STOP ELECTING THE DINGBAT

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

January 14th, 2013
11:34 am

In fact, I’d argue that the GOP isn’t interested in preventing abortion at all. They are only interested in control. Controlling a woman’s body. If they really wanted to prevent abortion, they would be all over contraceptive use and making it available and cheap. Nope, they just want to control half of our population.
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I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:34 am

Looks like rightwingextreme’s backed himself up so that subsequent penalties will be half the distance to his own goal line.

Ronald Reagan Parkway

January 14th, 2013
11:34 am

MEN should “never” create laws that dictate what a woman should do with her body. If women wrote laws that would “never” allow men access to viagara or cialis, they would roll over and die!!

larry

January 14th, 2013
11:34 am

However, these positions have been reiterated by many of the GOP representatives and leadership, supported by GOP donors and accepted by many GOP members.

And , i might add, these positions were part of the GOP platform that Romney/Ryan ran on.

And it was rejected outright, but you can’t tell it by these congressmens’ actions.

Logical Dude

January 14th, 2013
11:35 am

Fred: Rush said there is tax payer abortion so there is, period, because Rush would NEVER lie…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one man, good one!

barking frog

January 14th, 2013
11:36 am

It is also sad that due to their stance on abortion many Churches are
co-opted into defending this type rhetoric.

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:36 am

I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.

that’s because you’ve never painted yourself into the kind of ethical corner where controlling women’s bodies and minds becomes a necessity. Gingrey, Westmoreland, & co. have.

Look before I leap...

January 14th, 2013
11:36 am

Were it not for the right’s insistence on limiting abortion to absurd extremes, the distinction between conception through consensual sex and that by rape would be moot.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:37 am

“I’m just an old white man and I have never understood how it is that old men, white or not, think they know what is best for a woman and her body.”

well, obviously, we’re too stupid (and slutty) to make decisions for ourselves … besides, we’re not as important as a fetus, anyhooo

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:39 am

it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.

You can argue that. It is a grotesquely out of the mainstream position to take, however.

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

January 14th, 2013
11:39 am

The GOP seem to operate under the adage”If you do the same thing over and and over and expect the result to be different each time, you are just doing what the [people] want…no matter what they say”…

Skip

January 14th, 2013
11:41 am

Think you have problems? I have to live in Westmorons district.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:41 am

“it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.”

as long as you acknowledge that you’re arguing for forced pregnancy.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 14th, 2013
11:42 am

verylittlecommonsense — “Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok.”

Nobody made that argument, so check your *own* intellectual honesty.

The issue is that he’s argued that abortion’s unnecessary DESPITE rape, since in cases of “legitimate rape” — whatever the hell that means — women’s bodies apparently have the magical ability to “shut down” unwanted pregnancies.

Concentrate of what Akin said, not on what you imagine that people have said ABOUT what he said.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 14th, 2013
11:43 am

Part of the GOP’s problem is that the “every fetus is sacred” stops at birth….. every child is not sacred nor is every adult. Not even every “job creator” is sacred.

Sagegirl

January 14th, 2013
11:44 am

It’s amazing that these “old toads” know nothing of what they’re talking about. The “I play a doctor on teevee” line comes to mind.

getalife

January 14th, 2013
11:45 am

The gop are divided and conquered.

Some are talking about a new party to challenge the gop establishment because the gop dared to compromise.

They will keep it dumbed down and say stupid things trying to keep their base..

weetamoe

January 14th, 2013
11:46 am

Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman. I don’t know any pro-choicers who would want their position *misconstrued* to mean what you apparently mean–or who share your apparent attitude towards the value of life.

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:47 am

godless heathen

January 14th, 2013
11:22 am

Well nothing new here.

I’ll just say before I go that before you open-minded libs go to stereotyping all Republicans and Conservatives, not everyone agrees with these nuts.
++++++++++++++++++

You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:48 am

as long as you acknowledge that you’re arguing for forced pregnancy.

This touches on something I insist upon in these discussions: This is a POLITICAL blog. This is not about arguing personal ethics. It’s not about whether you, personally, would carry any/all pregnancies to term.

It’s about how laws are made and applied.

If you are of the opinion that a rape victim must carry a pregnancy to term, you have something like 14% support among Americans.

Which is why, understandably, those of us who oppose the likes of Broun, Gingrey, Westmoreland, & co., do seize upon idiocy like “The Sanctity of Human Life Act.” The kind of warm-fuzzy rhetoric they use to defend this horror–catch phrases like “unborn babies” and “right to life”–cannot be allowed to stand.

It’s built on a pile of absolute excrement, and needs to be understood as such.

MANGLER

January 14th, 2013
11:48 am

Normally I support the idea of not speaking if you don’t have anything informative or correct to say. However, with public representatives, I’m all for them spouting off their opinions of “facts”, because as we saw at the previous election cycle, they will not remain in power when they do.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:49 am

“Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman. ”

way to take Jay waaaayyyy out of context

Logical Dude

January 14th, 2013
11:49 am

quoting: it is plausible to argue that even an embryo conceived in rape has the right to life.

then if you get raped, don’t have an abortion.
But don’t let a religious belief prevent anyone else from getting an abortion. Because once you go down the road of legislating religious beliefs, well. . . you get to be like the Taliban. (sorry, I know I know. . . )

Regnad Kcin

January 14th, 2013
11:50 am

“Not even every “job creator” is sacred.”

Are you sure?

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:51 am

alittlecommonsense

January 14th, 2013
11:28 am

Much talk about nothing. The “legitimate rape” comment was intentionally minconstrued by the mainstream media as if he meant legitimate as in ok. He obviously meant legitimate as in true or actual. If he had said actual, there wouldn’t be any fuss.

Get over it – everyone who is intellectually honest knows he wasn’t saying rape was ok. And everyone knows that sometimes rape is claimed and it didn’t really happen. If you think everyone who claims to have been raped is telling the truth, you are an idiot. Some claims are legitiamate, some aren’t.
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Is that what Rush told you?

Joe Hussein Mama

January 14th, 2013
11:51 am

weetamoe — “Is *the product of rape* different from other infants? Way to dehumanize people, Bookman.”

If you’re going to assert that a woman has as much authority over her own reproductive system as a breeder heifer, then maybe you ought to be congratulating yourself for dehumanizing people.

td

January 14th, 2013
11:52 am

indigo

January 14th, 2013
11:29 am

And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.

cranky old man

January 14th, 2013
11:52 am

Hmm. I can see why guys like this might believe such a thing. It’s kind of how they filter everything they are told through their ideological flowchart, when presented with inconvenient information about tobacco, global warming, firearms, birth control, taxes, etc.
“I don’t find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of facts, of a legitimate presentation of overwhelming evidence of a fact that contradicts your ideology, religion, or economic self-interest, the human body has a way of shutting down the mind, so the fact would not implant in the brain. He’s partly right on that.”

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:55 am

Skip

January 14th, 2013
11:41 am

Think you have problems? I have to live in Westmorons district.
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I dunno, I got redistricted into Prices kingdom……… I may have you beat.

Look before I leap...

January 14th, 2013
11:55 am

“…taliban taking back control over all the women in the country …”

Um, to what country are you referring?

td

January 14th, 2013
11:56 am

stands for decibels

January 14th, 2013
11:48 am

But the pro choice or pro death for the means of contraception until birth is the morally right thing to do. Keep preaching that BS.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
11:56 am

“The truth is that the whole “legitimate rape” scandal was about the phrase “legitimate rape”. It wasn’t about the science behind what he said.”

awwwwwwwwww … diddums … don’t like being called out for your BS??? you seem a bit touchy!

no, he was called out for what he said (legitimate rape) AND the science behind it (the body shuts it down)

both of which were a complete load of bollocks.

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:56 am

td

January 14th, 2013
11:52 am

indigo

January 14th, 2013
11:29 am

And yet you and your other progressive friends have no problem with the taliban taking back control over all the women in the country and subjecting them to “slavery”.
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What in the hell are you talking about? When has the taliban EVER been in control of this Country?

Can I have a sip of what you are having? Just a sip, not a whole drink, look what a whole drink did to you…………

godless heathen

January 14th, 2013
11:57 am

You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………

Well I don’t, so there! phttttt

alittlecommonsense

January 14th, 2013
11:57 am

Oh, and by the way stink -

I clicked on your link and found it highly doubtful so I researched a little more and found this -
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/01/the-enliven-projects-truth-about-false.html

In part, it says this about your link -

The illustration is dishonest because it assumes that any claim that can’t be proven false must be an actual rape. It ignores the fact that the majority of claims fall into a vast gray area where we just don’t know whether it was rape or non-rape. The result of this is to make it appear that false claims are just a puny percentage of all rape claims, and that the vast majortity of rapists aren’t being punished.

Rafe Hollister

January 14th, 2013
11:58 am

Some of us old white men, not the ones mentioned here, or the ones Obama keeps loading up his cabinet with, prefer Freedom for the individual.

Freedom to choose, on abortions, what school your child attends, whether you want to buy insurance or not, and what it should cover, what firearm you want to buy, where you live, what you drive, or what kind of light bulb you like, should be the American way.

The efforts by the left to lump all old white men together is silly. There seems to be this need to group and classify people so the politicians can buy off the majority of the groups, while not having to deal with the groups they do not like.

Christian Conservative

January 14th, 2013
11:59 am

Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing…. You libs should be ashamed of yourselves….

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
11:59 am

godless heathen

January 14th, 2013
11:57 am

You vote for the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

You keep supporting the nuts, you OWN the nuts.

Actually if you do either you ARE nuts………

Well I don’t, so there! phttttt
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Good. >-O-< (there's a hug.)

TaxPayer

January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm

It sounds like Gingrey is saying that the best shot a Republican has at having sex is to wait for last call at a bar and try to pick up the women that are falling down drunk. Then again, Gingrey could just put a bag over his head.

Fred ™

January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm

I guess the hug emoticon doesn’t go through lol.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 14th, 2013
12:00 pm

“Wow Bookman… Still celebrating abortion as if its a good thing”

speaking as someone with first-hand experience … sometimes it is.

and, no, I’m not ashamed of it.

Peadawg

January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm

Christian Conservative
January 14th, 2013
11:59 am

Aaaaaand there he is. Welcome! We were wondering when your bible-thumpin’ butt would show up.

Aquagirl

January 14th, 2013
12:01 pm

The truth is that the whole “legitimate rape” scandal was about the phrase “legitimate rape”. It wasn’t about the science behind what he said.

Thanks for the version from your alternate reality. Drop us a postcard sometime from this exotic and faraway place. Sadly for you, in the real world your imperious pronouncement isn’t even worth the hot air it produced.