House GOP still hellbent on debt-ceiling showdown

News flash to the GOP. Holding our economy hostage is NOT governing.

Your own policies and inability to govern got us here. Recommit to competent governing and hopefully, we will slowly turn toward a practical path.

The banana republic crap is very unbecoming…

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Move 401K assets to cash ASAP.

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Usually after an action described as “hell bent”….there is hell to pay.

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But shutting down the government worked out se well for the GOP the last time they did it!!

Just ask Newt Gingrich!

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moonbat betty

January 14th, 2013
2:50 pm

Budget?
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Hertz?

Enterprise?

National?

Avis?

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How about an executive order cancelling Congress’s pay and benefits? Let them see what it is like! Freeze their assets since most are millionaires.Then cut defense.

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We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

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member-management purposes

Is that what they are calling a lobotomy these days?

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Dollar?

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So what was that that Obama said in 08 about runaway deficit spending being UNAmerican. That it was unpatriotic to use a credit card from the bank of China? He and the dims don’t give a damn about bankrupting the nation. They could care less.

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TBG

1) Yes
2) No

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Lord Help Us

January 14th, 2013
2:44 pm

The banana republic crap is very unbecoming…
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I don’t know about that…

They do have some nice shirts and shorts.

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DownInAlbany

January 14th, 2013
2:57 pm

Were any of you folks ‘kinda hard on Bush when he favored raising the debt limit?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022173420

A funny.

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“Forgot about them….”

Yeah, Granny don’t use no stinkin’ cheap rides.

Executive Limo for ALL!

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@DownInAlbany: Were you hard on democrats led by obama when they opposed raising the debt ceiling?

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The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?

If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?

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member-management purposes

Party before country.

There’s your sign.

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Bookman, remind everyone what Obama said in the Senate when President Bush wanted to raise the debt limit. Or are you a coward? Show us how brave you are.

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and cheapskates

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Obama’s repeating once again this stupid canard about House Republicans refusing to pay America’s bills. We can still pay America’s bills even if we don’t raise the debt ceiling it would only mean the Democrats would have less money to spend. A dollar for dollar reduction in spending for each dollar increase is a sound approach. The greatest danger to the American people is the national debt and all this poor excuse for an American president can do is pick fights with Republicans and focus his attention on gun control. Outrageous.

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The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act. Congress has refused to pass it. So what?

The only budget I can recall Obama presenting was defeated with a single vote for it. Other than that where are his budgets?

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Mick
From your link from yesterday, it seems Dave Barry has invented
the Pythong.

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“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. …Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here’. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006

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DownInAlbany

January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?

If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?
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Holy Poop, This again?

The President has done his duty and presented his budget on time every year.

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GOP Johnny Reb Economics…………….teach President Obama a lesson by defaulting on America’s debt obligations which increases the cost to borrow any money in the future , triggers the across the board spending cuts they delayed for two months , puts the country back into recession mode and may cause a global economic crisis. The midterm elections can’t get here soon enough.

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But I don’t suppose my posting that will have any effect on the talking point repeaters now will it?

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“Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly…”

And running up more debt is acting responsibly?

(Turn on irony meter)
Maybe we should mint something better than trillion dollar coins. How about a quadrillion or quintillion dollar coin? We won’t have to worry about paying the debt for decades, if not centuries.
(Turn off irony meter)
And don’t bother lecturing me about reductio ad absurdium. The trillion dollar coin idea was ridiculous even before I upped the ante.

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The President has done his duty and presented his budget on time every year.

But nothing that can even pass the Senate and he knows it.

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The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act.

The White House has informed House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that it will miss the legal deadline for sending a budget to Congress.

Congress has refused to pass it. So what?

I guess you are referring to the budget(s) that failed to garner one single solitary vote in the Dem controlled Senate? That “budget?”

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DIA — “If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?”

I don’t have a problem with reining in spending. But this isn’t the way to get it done.

There have already been significant cuts made, and significant job reductions at the Federals level. And I freely acknowledge that more cuts and more reductions need to be made. But this isn’t the way to get it done.

Congress isn’t threatening to withhold the President’s paycheck — they’re threatening to harm many, many Americans who rely on the Federal government for their income — whether they work for the government, provide goods and/or services to the government or simply receive some sort of retirement or other benefits. It’s a hold-our-breath-until-the-GOP-turns-blue thing, and it’s not only juvenile and foolish, it’s potentially dangerous for the economy. We don’t need another credit downgrade just to get the GOP rank-and-file in line.

The President is right — the GOP’s going to bear responsibility for any shutdown and any lasting damage from it. So what’s called for now is a little country-before-party statesmanship on the part of Congressional Republicans. Because, quite frankly, if y’all think this kind of brinksmanship is useful for the purpose of getting your membership all on the same page, then frankly, y’all don’t need to be *in* Congress at all IMO. If it takes this kind of hissy-fit kabuki theater to make your membership happy, then I think y’all deserve a good solid whipping with a leather belt, and to be sent to bed without supper — ‘Cause that ain’t what y’all are sent to Washington and PAID to do.

You’re there to do the nation’s business. Now get off your duffs and DO IT, MFers.

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(Turn on irony meter)
Maybe we should mint something better than trillion dollar coins.

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddd, I quit reading.

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USA Patriot

January 14th, 2013
3:11 pm

Don’t count on getting any sort of acknowledgement of anything BO did or didn’t do or say…at least not on this site. By most on this forum, BO has never and never will do wrong.

Yes, he has many, many instances on saying one thing and doing another…remember “the days of lobbyist controlling the DC agenda are over…”?

Leadership as a commodity in DC is at record low levels..WH and Congress..

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The White House has informed House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that it will miss the legal deadline for sending a budget to Congress.

Move the goalposts much? First it’s “he’s never done it”, now we’re falling back to “he was a little late”?

Stupid.

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The debt is money already spent, not upcoming budget items.

Are you talking about paying down national debt or only paying the interest on the debt?

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Hey Keith/Mystery Meat: Guess what? You can’t goad Jay into responding to you. Besides, I answered your stupidity above.

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Obama admitted that his 2006 vote was a mistake, and that it was motivated by politics rather than what was best for the country at the time.

So is he doing it again this time. Putting politics ahead of whats best for the country? Of course he is. But liberals with no integrity like Bookman will never call him on it.

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I guess you are referring to the budget(s) that failed to garner one single solitary vote in the Dem controlled Senate? That “budget?”

Asked and answered. Obama’s budgets have never been voted on. See an above post for why this is the case.

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It’s not a requirement for the President’s budget to be put up for a vote. It’s just a requirement that he convey their spending needs and priorities to Congress by a certain day of the year.

As I asked before: So what?

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Hey genius, what happens if you raise the debt ceiling and appropriate no more money, both Congressional actions?

You waste your time. Hey, government is good at wasting money; why not waste some time along with it?

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Both sides have played the political game with the debt ceiling, so plenty of blame to go around. However, the Dems did their posturing and then went on their merry way. They didn’t shut to whole thing down.

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So when the government runs out of money and Obama says “halt all social security and veterens benefit and military pay checks until further notice”… which Party’s constituency gets hurt worse?

Pass the popcorn. The Republicans are threatening to blow up their own base.

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The President sends a budget proposal and the house failed to do their job on the budget.

cons are dead wrong as usual.

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Again, td, SO WHAT?

Budgets are plans, not appropriations. Appropriations are what get spent. Republicans have passed all those bills just fine. You complaining about plans that get voted down or money actually spent that wasn’t collected as revenue?

Or can you not get any of this straight in your head?

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At what level of total debt and annual interest expense do we endure before you get nervous Adam?

Long before Cheney said “Deficits don’t matter”.

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southpaw

January 14th, 2013
3:21 pm

So let me get this straight–
The Administration boots a preacher from the upcoming inauguration for comments from 15-20 years ago, and the President doesn’t think there should be consequences for his remarks from only 7 years ago? I can’t help but wonder if that vote became a mistake only because President Obama started wanting to do the same thing President Bush had done. Does emulating President Bush count as “evolving?”
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the fact that the homophobe is still a homophobe makes no difference to another homophobe.

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Stevie Ray 3:18 – “Leadership as a commodity in DC is at record low levels..WH and Congress..”

Very true, AND, very sad!

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I guess Obama has no skin in this fight according to the lib mind set. Jeez, the musings of liberal hack and his entourage of misinformed ideological hack miscreants.

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of course obama says it was a mistake. everything is about politics to him. Bush wanted to raise the debt ceiling so he was against it. Now republicans dont want to raise the debt ceiling and he is for it.

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Who cares who gets the blame? The GOP will claim BO and BO will blame GOP…just like everything else…system completely dysfunctional..what should we expect?

Then you don’t understand how politics and political parties work. Or maybe you just don’t like them, but they’ve been here for 225+ years, so complaining about it now is worthless.

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The louder the Dems scream that everything is the Reps fault, and vice versa, the more it becomes more clear that neither side has any real interest in responsibly running the country. EVERYTHING is the other side’s fault… EVERYONE on the other side is evil fascists/communists/socialists/nazis.

The only defense I ever hear for raising the debt ceiling is “…but…but…Bush did it!” as if that somehow makes it fine. It was wrong under the Bush administration, and it will continue to be wrong under the Obama administration.

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Adam

January 14th, 2013
3:30 pm

Question with a question..not what I was looking for. Let’s say the trend continues and we find ourselves at $25, 30 trillion in debt with annual interest expense triple what it is today? Would that have you concerned?

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I don’t give a flip what Cheney said. It’s not remotely relevant to my quest…What is your number?

No, but it’s relevant to my answer, which was somewhere around 40% of GDP. Which was a long long time ago. In fact, back around the time Cheney was a Chief of Staff.

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The republicans subscribe to the dine-and-dash theory of governance: buy anything, but stiff the credit card company when the bill comes due.

Think they’ll raise our rates? You betcha!

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If a homophobe gets an obamaphone because he heard the herd
deserved one does it become a homophone ?

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Freeloaders in this country are among the staunchest supporters of obama. He has earned his title as the Food Stamp President. Have more babies get more money. Obama is paying them to provide his party more constituents.

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The President sent the budget proposal but congress failed to pass it.

cons always gives failed congress a free pass.

Failed deflecterbation.

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keith,

Your failed party are mooching on their bills.

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If we are paying down our debt, why do we need to take on more debt (raise the debt ceiling) to accomplish it?

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” Southern made bacon will not burn “

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Yeah, that argument was tried by Romney. See how well that worked to get supporters? What was Romney’s final vote total? 47%.

So you should feel good about a country that has 47 percent of the people supporting 100 percent of the people? Next time a candidate tries to get this countries finances in order he may only get 30 percent of the vote. Your side wins the elections but the country goes bankrupt. And thats something for you to be proud of. JFK would be so disappointed in you.

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Random GOP Pol: We must spend less and do things to limit future spending and waste!

Random Dem Pol: We are already doing all that and more what else ya got?

RGP: No we’re not!

RDP: Actually, yes we are and you voted for it.

RGP: Well, we need to do more!!!!11!!!

RDP: What would you like to do?

RGP: You tell me.

And around and around and around we go…

Move your 401K to cash ASAP.

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Try asking your credit card company to raise you limit when you are already past your limit.
Tell them how you can’t buy groceries or gas etc unless they raise your limit. Gee I guess all the owners of the credit card companies must be GOP. Jay, you sound like the liberals in Europe who want the government to take care of them no matter if the government has the money or not. You liberals do not care if our country goes down the tube so long as you get what you want.

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ple Truths

January 14th, 2013
3:38 pm

If we are paying down our debt, why do we need to take on more debt (raise the debt ceiling) to accomplish it?

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so sad, so badly informed.

no idea at all what’s going on

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obama wants to raise the debt ceiling while DECREASING tax revenue. Sure he wants to raise taxes but there will be fewer people paying taxes. obamacare for one mandates employers with full time employees and 50 or more employees provide health care. So A. Reduce the hours they work and B. Reduce the workforce to below 50. Less people paying less in taxes.

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Jefferson

January 14th, 2013
3:36 pm

Because they “have” to spend up to 35% of there time raising money…no joke. There is rarely floor debate with them only showing up when they need to vote. Also, we have a president who for some reason is too arrogant or simply aloof to spend any meaningful time on the hill working with members..

The issue you raise is at the root of all of our current problems. The incentives which used to favor us are now stacked against us in favor of re-election and special interest alliances..

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Stevie Ray: Let’s say the trend continues and we find ourselves at $25, 30 trillion in debt with annual interest expense triple what it is today? Would that have you concerned?

What would concern me is if there is talk of us losing the global reserve currency. THEN I would be worried because we wouldn’t be able to do all these gimmicks. I would also be a bit peeved that we got to that point because current projections are to be at $22T in ten years, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities says if we act now or near term to get $1.4T in more deficit savings (revenue and/or spending) then we would have solved the problem.

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Stevie Ray: Link for my assertion: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3885

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Sure he wants to raise taxes but there will be fewer people paying taxes. obamacare for one mandates employers with full time employees and 50 or more employees provide health care. So A. Reduce the hours they work and B. Reduce the workforce to below 50. Less people paying less in taxes.

Sure because most businesses want to shrink. Only losers think that way. Winners think that their business is going to grow regardless of their taxes.

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Democrats (libs) always seem to forget they are the party of spend, give, give, spend, who cares about debt ….

Sorry, we forgot that Republican meme that always seemed to excuse Republicans from spending without taxing to pay for it.

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td — “This is a false argument by Obama.”

Actually, you’re advancing a false argument yourself with this post.

“Just because the debt ceiling does not get raised does not mean we “default” on our debt. There is still money coming in each and every month to pay for the debt and most of our bills. The difference is any additional spending over the amount we bring in would have to be offset by actual cuts to other programs.”

Your “stealth spending cuts” aren’t going to happen. Man up and work them out over the negotiating table.

“If Obama wants to cut the VA or SS instead of finding the money some other way then that is on him.”

SS funds itself. And you want to cut the VA after sending tens of thousands of troops to war for ten years? Are you serious? Here’s a thought — don’t get involved in wars of choice and then we won’t have boatloads of wounded and disabled servicemembers who need the services of the VA. Unless, of course, this is part of your idea to cut the military by discouraging enlistments and accessions. After all, when high school and college kids hear that the VA won’t be able to help them if they come back from a war less than whole, that ought to drive down the number of kids willing to suit up for military duty.

“The state of Georgia furloughed all of its non essential personal one or two days per month to balance the budget. Obama could have the same option or actually find the fraud and abuse in programs. Cut non essential travel? Cut all these meetings all over the country?”

You think Congress could apply any of those principles to itself, do you?

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Just default already.

Who cares any more?

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Kam, I don’t care who applauded it under the Bush administration. I am only responsible for my views. I have remained consistently critical of the profligate spending under the Bush administration.

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Well, I don’t know about you but I’m dying to know what old Tom Price is hiding. You recall back when Clinton was getting them ;private visits from the Lewinsky girl and old Newt was blasting him while fooling around on the side. Well, old Tom Price must be using a leaf-blower to scatter money, seeing as how he’s blasting Obama as a big spender that can only be stopped with a guvmint shutdown.

And I hope old Tom and this Gingrey fellow are setting aside a ton of money the states are going to need to deal with all the appeals from convicted rapists that are going to argue that since the woman got in the Family Way they couldn’t of raped her and it meant she really wanted to or else her body would of shut down.

Anyhow, just thought I’d throw that out there. Have a good p.m. everybody.

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ByteMe – Got ilk?

January 14th, 2013
3:45 pm

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

I gotta get some of my dotcom bubble money back still…

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To Kamchak
any budget is similar… you can’t endlessly spend more than you bring in in perpetuity.

if i only have a penny for every lib that doesn’t understand or care
that would be 52,000,000 *.01 equaling $520,000
that would be nice chunk of cash

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@Southpaw — the Minister you reference elected to remove himself from the inauguration.

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How about creating a formula where the debt ceiling is increased based on GDP increases? That way, we would not spend money unless we had it it coming in. Obama does not even acknowledge that the U.S. has a spending problem. This round of “negotiations” is starting out like all of the other Obama discussions. He spews insults and threats using a compliant media from the bully pulpit.-assigning blame on the GOP for $trillion deficits that he created.The next step will be to send in surrogates to do the dirty work. Today’s WSJ quotes an Oliver Wyman actuarial analysis of Obamacare stating that healthcare premiums for Georgia are going to go up between 65% and 100% in 2014. So we don’t have a spending problem, it’s a health care problem. This is the hallmark of the Obama administration: costs go up, quality goes down, bureacracy increases, blame the other guy through the media, and avoid direct negotiation.

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I have remained consistently critical of the profligate spending under the Bush administration.

Uh, huh.

And I will have a threesome with Anne Hathaway and Scarlett Johansson.

Tonight.

At the Holiday Inn Express.

After my date with Morgan Fairchild.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

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any budget is similar…

And there’s your sign.

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I heard Obama’s speech today as well. Then I went back and read his speech as a senator on his reasons for voting against raising the ceiling under Bush. He could not vote to saddle our children with additional debt, which would be financed by borrowing from other countries, when Bush showed no leadership in reducing our debt.

I guess it’s different now.

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Kam @ 3:55

Dude! Take a picture!!

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 14th, 2013
3:49 pm

“Your “stealth spending cuts” aren’t going to happen. Man up and work them out over the negotiating table.”

The Republicans passed a budget and am still waiting on the Dems in the Senate to take up their budget and offer amendments to the budget and then negotiating happens. The Republicans have passed all their appropriations bills in the House and the Dems in the Senate has not taken them up. The Republicans have done their job and it is the Dems in the Senate that refuse to do their job. Those are the facts and can not be disputed.

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The Repubs have been after SS for the last 80 years , after Medicare for the last 48.

They only care about hurting people.

Let them keep on doing this. Their party will be obsolete by 2016.

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Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am…

January 14th, 2013
3:50 pm

Granny Godzilla

January 14th, 2013
3:42 pm

I’d rather you explain it directly to me. So you are suggesting we get 68 billion a year in new revenues on top of 240 billion per annum in expense cuts? Ergo we theoretically get a 300 billion annual pick up? Wow, that would be a terrific outcome…

Could you be referring to the cuts as we wind down gulf war participation that was already factored in the numbers several years ago?
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You need to keep trying…..

Eventually, maybe, you’ll get it right.

600 billion in revenue, 2.4 trillion in cuts……

with a little study you’ll figure out the time frame.

eventually, maybe

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Mad Max

January 14th, 2013
3:53 pm

Some of my actuarial collegues presented a report to Pelosi et al prior to the less than transparent PelosiCare debacle. It suggested that the law would increase the premiums for a typical family by 16-20K over the next 8-10 years…instead of considering this, she threatened to eliminate their anti-trust exemption..

This will be a disaster…and for those shouting “we don’t have a spending problem, we have a healthcost problem..” I say since we are don’t want to attempt to curb future obligations even a smidge, it is a spending problem…

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It appears that Senator Bob Corker can’t figure out what the budget cuts are either.

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/johnson/washington-watch-tennessee-del/

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Most of this countries debt was run up during Republican administrations.

Debt and deficits only matter when a Democrat is in office.

Then it becomes a useful political tool for the Republicans.

If Romney had won we wouldn’t be hearing a peep about the deficit.

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There will be no ransom paid to the cons. Pay your damn bill, cons.

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Adam

January 14th, 2013
3:20 pm
Hey Keith/Mystery Meat: Guess what? You can’t goad Jay into responding to you. Besides, I answered your stupidity above.
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Name calling and insults?

Is that the way to have an *ADULT* conversation on a topic (even if you disagree)?

Climate change, gun control, and now the debt ceiling. Is there a topic that you can debate without “losing it”?

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If the GOP wants cuts, then there is plenty to cut in the DoD budget.

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Adam – “But I don’t suppose my posting that will have any effect on the talking point repeaters now will it?”

Is POTUS against raising the debt ceiling now?

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Republicans are convinced enough of their delusional electorate will support a shutdown, no matter how economically painful.

We can only hope that, if they force a shutdown, the majority of Americans will vote them out of office, once and for all, in 2014.

Hey, is this a great country or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GRANNIE,

I stil have no clue…it’s your submission. Love to see where agreement was made to cut 240 billion a year…

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Which is the most likely outcome?

A: If the government shuts down, voters will flock to the republican party.

B: If the government shuts down, the republican party is going to take a huge hit in the 2014 elections.

C: Other (please specify)

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From Wikiprdia.

“The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since March 1962,[15] including 18 times under Ronald Reagan, eight times under Bill Clinton, seven times under George W. Bush and three times (as of August 2011[update]) under Barack Obama.”

So what’s new?

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“If you think that the presence of some bulldada GOP budget establishes some sort of imperative for the President and the rest of Congress to act, then I suggest that you bring home a brand-new sports car tonight and tell your wife that the household budget is now being cut in order to conform to the priorities you have determined for the household.”

Or as the left would say, tell her to get a second job because you need more revenue to pay for that brand new sports car

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Maybe the two parties should try to meet in the middle on spending cuts. Their plan of “my way or no way” doesn’t seem to be working so good.

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F. Sinkwich

I must have missed the announcement by Obama that he was adopting “radical euro-socialist policies”.

Link please?

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“As Garrett attempted to ask another question, Obama cut in again. “This is the United States of America, Major! We can’t manage our affairs in such a way that we pay our bills?”"

The republicans say, “NO, the United States should NOT pay it’s bills. It’s sad, really…

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I bet that everytime Obama has to give a press conference or any other public address he tells himself, “I can tell my stupid 51% anything and they will believe me, for they think I am God”. And he is right on. Even the so-called “intellectuals” have become mindless followers of their master. Of course it is easy to indoctrinate the weak, isn’t it?

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Did not Senator Obama vote against raising debt limit ? So why is the GOP now the ones that are so far out?

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It will be a serious mistake by the Pub/Cons to shut down the government. They will get the blame if they do, and it will further harm their chances to make a come back. It is not fair or right, but it is the realpolitik of the moment, but as we have seen, politics can change quickly (e.g. 2010 elections vs. 2012 elections). And all the Dem/Lib wishful thinking about how things have changed in their favor for good will turn out to be just that when these spending policies finally catch up with us and the economy falters in much scarier ways than it did in 2008.

Pub/Cons, if you have faith in your convictions that these policies will ultimately lead the United States to economic ruin, then get to work and create and propose some serious structural spending cuts, and when they will kick in, and how they will work to bring back some sanity and stabilize our economy, and save the entitlement programs for future generations. Present your plans loudly and clearly and market them. Ask the president and the Dem/Libs for input, feedback, counterproposals, etc. Try to start a serious debate on the subject and do it with reasonable and well thought out ideas.

The Prez will come back and say that he will only negotiate with more new taxes in place, conveniently forgetting that there were new taxes and no cuts in the fiscal cliff deal. His definition of “balance” is now very clear. Press on, but don’t agree to the taxes . . . that is if you truly believe that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem. If you do believe it, start acting like it, and get serious, and forget this nonsense about the capping the debt ceiling and shutting down the government. Make it clear that you will work with the Dem/Libs to agree and compromise on spending cuts, but no new new taxes.

Don’t mess up your chances for 2014 and controlling the entire Congress. These awful policies will ultimately catch up with us. There will be two more trillion, almost three trillion more in debt by 2014. Plus, all of the backloaded costs of Obamacare will kick in January of 2014. When the ca-ca finally hits the fan, you will be well positioned with solutions that never got the time of day from the Prez or the Dem/Libs.

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Even the so-called “intellectuals” have become mindless followers of their master. Of course it is easy to indoctrinate the weak, isn’t it?

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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Regnad Kcin

Basic facts, you need to start thinking for yourself…

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ogop — “Just another faceless, lonely person trying to be recognized for something. That kind of makes you pitiful, doesn’t it?”

The irony, it do get thick in here at times, it do.

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“Or as the left would say, tell her to get a second job because you need more revenue to pay for that brand new sports car”

What a joke. Republicans are the ones that bought the brand new sports car and now don’t want to pay for it. $1.5 trillion in unfunded wars, ’socialist’ Medicare part D. Massive spending combined with massive tax breaks are a big reason we are in this mess. Suddenly Republicans like Paul Ryan who voted for all those goodies are now experts?

Republicans also gave us the Great Bush Recession! The cherry on the poop sandwich!

Of course Republicans freak out if anyone brings up their dismal record. The Republican sports car is sitting in the junk yard, totaled, they crashed while driving it drunk. Now they want the keys back, problem is they are still drunk.

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Not the army but the soldier, not the Congress but the congressman.

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Militay and other govt employees will have to be paid. Medicare dets will still pile up with interst. Rent and maintainace on govt buildings will continue.
Interst on exixting debt will still add up.
Farm support rpayments will still add up.

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I wish we had single payer and gone over the fiscal cliff. I’m getting tired of all this back and forth. It’s like one group sits and waits behind a barracade until they can come up with another reason to fight the President. In the meantime, we, the people, suffer. This is beyond ridiculous and we call ourselves the greatest country in the world? We are the biggest joke now. Elections have consequences people. Get smart!

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That Black Guy

January 14th, 2013
4:41 pm

It doesn’t say that the president must submit a budget *THAT WILL PASS*.

Simply submit a budgat.

See the diff?

Split hairs much?

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Albany – where does it say that?

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Albany – where does it say that?

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DIA — “Split hairs much?”

Dude, not to be snarky, but what do you think lawyers DO for a living?

Put 435 of ‘em in a room, and what do you expect them to do?

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TM – checks are still in the mail

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Oscar:

Where does it say what?

Where does it say what?

Where does it say what?

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I wish we had not bailed out the banks, let nature run its course. The whole budget problem for Obama started when Bush decided to save the dysfunctional and systemic Wall Street. We need to go back to prosecuting business monopolies like Clinton was doing in his term. Too big to fail is unconstitutional and was allowed under the Bush administration as a green light to business. A competitive market would cure America.

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“$1.5 trillion in unfunded wars”

Is there a such thing as a funded war? If so, please give examples.

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SHUT IT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give those complete utter morons EXACTLY what they want. Let the Rush Limbaugh/talk radio/FOXBOT idiots pay for the consequences of their stupidity and actions.

Let’s see how many of these idiots continue listening to the ‘47 percent” crap when THYE have no freaking money and have plenty of time listening to Rush and Sean talking about how good THEY have it and how everyone should go to Ruth’s Chris and Solomon Bros………..

COME ON YOU REPUBLICANS, SING IT WITH ME:

The Roof, The Roof, The roof is on fire.
We don’t need no water let MF’er burn.
Burn MF’er burn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WI0GxwyD0I

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Albany – didn’t think you knew. I was right.

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Read the bible about the boy who cried wolf.

Aesop fable, not the bible.

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pogo

January 14th, 2013
4:27 pm

Nothing, absolutely nothing could be more true…..it’s red sheep vs blue sheep…not a lot of individual thinking here eh?

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Sauce for the goose and all that…

What kind of sauce DO you use for a goose anyway? I wanted to do one for Thanksgiving or Christmas but holy poop on a stick, them things be EXPENSIVE. It was like sixty bucks for a little bitty bird……….

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“The fact that we’re here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means ‘The buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.” The speaker: Then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., back in 2006
But Obama voted against lifting the debt limit for all the right reasons, repubs will vote against it for all the wrong reasons, dems good, repubs bad !

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mbtc

January 14th, 2013
4:53 pm

Please save us the not our fault crap. What is wrong with the GOP publicly stating the objective of every other minority or non-white house holding DEM or GOP? Because they said it? To think that it is not the stated objective by one party to destroy the other at all costs is naive…

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 14th, 2013
4:15 pm

td — “The Republicans passed a budget and am still waiting on the Dems in the Senate to take up their budget and offer amendments to the budget and then negotiating happens. The Republicans have passed all their appropriations bills in the House and the Dems in the Senate has not taken them up. The Republicans have done their job and it is the Dems in the Senate that refuse to do their job.”

“Just FYI, Congressional Republicans don’t get to drive the train on the national budget. They can make up all the bulldada budgets they want, but they can’t force the President or Congressional Democrats to go along with them.”

You are partially right about that the Dems do not have to go along with the budget but it ONLY the house that can write a spending bill (that in essence a budget). Regular order says that the house produces a budget and appropriations bills and then the Senate adds amendments to those bills to change them and then the house accepts the changes or calls for a conference committee to work out the differences.

If you think that the presence of some bulldada GOP budget establishes some sort of imperative for the President and the rest of Congress to act, then I suggest that you bring home a brand-new sports car tonight and tell your wife that the household budget is now being cut in order to conform to the priorities you have determined for the household.

Then the choice is to shut down the government or negotiate the differences.

“Those are the facts and can not be disputed.

“DISPUTED. (pointing, laughing) ”

Just because you dispute something does not mean it is not factual information. Read the Constitution and tell your Dem friends in the Senate to get off their butts and take up the House bills and either change them or reject them.

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To think that it is not the stated objective by one party to destroy the other at all costs is naive…

And there’s your sign.

Big.

Bright.

Pink.

Neon.

Sign.

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Why is Obama scaring old people about social security ? Why not pay social security out of the trust fund ? Some right winger, probably a ea party member, tried to tell me that the trust fund was spent, what an anti-government fool, everybody knows our government would never spend something they called a “trust” fund.

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GT

January 14th, 2013
4:51 pm

I wish we had not bailed out the banks, let nature run its course. The whole budget problem for Obama started when Bush decided to save the dysfunctional and systemic Wall Street.

The banks paid back the money to the government.

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Oscar

January 14th, 2013
4:54 pm

Albany – didn’t think you knew. I was right

Oscar, I’d be glad to try and answer your question…if I knew what the hell the question was! sheesh

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ogop — “And Joe, I spend about 30 minutes per week (if that) on here. How many do you spend old boy?”

Oh, it’s the you-spend-more-time-on-here-than-I-do-so-you-must-not-do-anything-productive gambit!

Never seen THAT on the internet before.

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Fred — “What kind of sauce DO you use for a goose anyway?”

I’d go with either some sort of fruit glaze, like cherries or cranberries, or else roast that sucker with frequent white wine basting.

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If you think the DEMs wouldn’t do anything to get Bush out of office I have no response to that…

Moving the goalposts.

“Get Bush out of office” does not equal “one party to destroy the other at all costs”

Someone else got the Capt. Picard goalposts with warp-drive for xmas.

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td — “You are partially right about that the Dems do not have to go along with the budget but it ONLY the house that can write a spending bill (that in essence a budget).”

Sure. But that doesn’t mean that the opposition party gets to dream up a budget from whole cloth and then demand that the President sign off on it.

“Regular order says that the house produces a budget and appropriations bills and then the Senate adds amendments to those bills to change them and then the house accepts the changes or calls for a conference committee to work out the differences.”

I’m aware of that.

“Then the choice is to shut down the government or negotiate the differences.”

So you’re saying that if the GOP dreams up a budget from whole cloth and the President says no, then the only choice is a shutdown?

“Just because you dispute something does not mean it is not factual information.”

Just because you *claim* something is factual and indisputable does not mean that it is so.

“Read the Constitution”

Read it yourself. I used to *teach* Con Law at the college level.

“and tell your Dem friends in the Senate to get off their butts and take up the House bills and either change them or reject them.”

Only if you’ll tell your Con pals in the House to think of the country rather than their re-election chances.

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Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said the automaker plans to build some Jeeps in China for the local market — and later, in Russia. From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130114/AUTO04/301140373#ixzz2HzUl6BC4
Romney was right, Chrysler is outsourcing production.

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CHRYSLER TO BUILD JEEPS IN CHINA, RUSSIA…

drudgey spam.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 14th, 2013
4:06 pm

If Romney had won we wouldn’t be hearing a peep about the deficit
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UHHH yes you would.

From Democrats.

It’s called POLITICS.

Look it up…

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Bill Engvall really has a funny act. He likes to say, “Here’s your sign”, meaning that he observes human behavior and then awards acts of total stupidity with a sign that reads, “STUPID”. Thus, here’s your sign. Now, the terms of use that all commenters have to click on here at the AJC blogs, states clearly that any contributions from commenters can be archived, copied, produced, advertised, used in any manner, and made into derivative works, featured, etc…you get the idea. If you comment, then the AJC gets to steal any and all of the material in that comment. Now, get this: if a commenter himself is stealing from Bill Engvall, does that mean that the AJC gets to steal Bill Engvall’s entire act?

Should Bill Engvall be made aware that there is a commenter here stealing his material freely and proudly as if he himself had written it?

Copyright violations. Trademark violations. What a nightmare. But man aren’t we all so entertained by the stolen material? Over and Over again.

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Jay, we funded the revolutionary war with debt, we spent part of the social security trust fund paying for vietnam, are war where we were not attacked. We also have spent billions paying for the Korean War, another country that never attacked our homeland. We still have troops in Germany, Japan and Korea and are borrowing money to pay to keep our troops there. So you can try to say those were all funded at the time but I would like to see that big prepayment democrats made to cover keeping our troops abroad. Dems have put more Americans in harms way than repubs have by far. Even if you take WW1 & WW2 out of the equation, Korea and Vietnam claimed 10 times the lives that Iraq and Afghanistan have and we are still payinf for Korea. Neither one attacked our homeland and Ike warned of the Industrial Military Complex because the dems that ran congress was paying to build it.

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The Senate, with Obama leading Harry by the nose, has refused to pass a budget in four years.

The base line for which the continuing resolutions are passed is high, which explains why Obama settled for no budget for four years – he has more money to spend without a new budget.

Today’s explanation of cuts explained by Obama was smoke and mirrors; fuzzy at best and far short of addressing the root cause spending problems.

Obama talks a big game but has no intention of reducing spending.

This is showdown time and all the scare tactics, such as people who track loose nuclear material won’t get paid, will not change this show-down. Oh yea, he pulled out the old no SS checks line today also.

What will it take to get Moonbats to see how Obama has not intention of working with Republicans. It’s his way or nothing. This time, he gets nothing.

And, to deflect all the criticism of an all white boy cabinet, what do they do? They trot out Powell to Gregory’s Meet the Liberal Press where he pulls the race card. Powell is an embarrassment. A perfect example of when it comes down to it, Race trumps everything with some people. Hopefully, he will stop calling himself a Republican. He moved back to the plantation in 2008.

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TBG: Climate change, gun control, and now the debt ceiling. Is there a topic that you can debate without “losing it”?

If you call simple name calling like that losing it I have a nice property on the moon to sell you. Ask Newt Gingrich.

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D&D — “And I did not know that Republicans were responsible for paying all the government’s bills.”

Spending bills have to originate in the House and be approved by the House. Since the GOP is in control of the House, a large part of the responsibility is in their hands.

The President can’t spend a nickel that the House doesn’t *let* him spend.

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Fred…go have another double cheeseburger and take your meds…geezzz

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Well, it appears the conservative House Republicans understand the concepts behind the debt ceiling and the appropriations process about as well as our conservative bloggers.

No wonder they’re acting as they are. If you think cyanide is no more harmful than a chocolate malt, you’ll down it without thinking.

td 3:36
“This is a false argument by Obama. Just because the debt ceiling does not get raised does not mean we “default” on our debt. There is still money coming in each and every month to pay for the debt and most of our bills.”

Just once, I’d like to see a cite with some numbers for your claims.

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$4,000,000,000,000, that is how much the Prez wants to raise the debt ceilng. That is only temporary, then another 5 or 10 trillion temporary ceiling. Am I nutz to think the government can run like that? I remember when I was a little kid, I did not have the money for candy so I stole it, that is what the Preident is doing, stealing the future for this once great and solvent country.

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pogo: Of course it is easy to indoctrinate the weak, isn’t it?

You mean like creating a bunch of people who want to be armed because they are afraid of who has become President and can be easily controlled by a rising right wing tyrant who has a ready and willing army at his or her command if he or she should so choose?

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Why can’t Oblama seem to find any qualified women to work in his administration???

He has 8 out of 22 cabinet positions with women in them.

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“When the reckoning comes, some on the Left who vilified Romney will find it very hot for a very long time.”

What was Romney’s secret plan to deal with the deficit? Is it still top secret?

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JohnnyReb

“This is showdown time and all the scare tactics, such as people who track loose nuclear material won’t get paid, will not change this show-down. Oh yea, he pulled out the old no SS checks line today also.”

What will the US Treasury use to pay those nuke trackers or SS checks?

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Orange13: Is there a such thing as a funded war? If so, please give examples.

World War II was fought on the books with taxes raised and government bonds sold to pay for it.

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Fred: Give those complete utter morons EXACTLY what they want. Let the Rush Limbaugh/talk radio/FOXBOT idiots pay for the consequences of their stupidity and actions.

Hear hear!

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Paul – the point is, Obama is suppose to be the leader of the Nation. What does he do when his arrogant ways are rebuffed by the House? He uses a press conference to scare the Nation. Some leader.

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Jay,
Extremists?…..people who want the gov’t to stop spending money it doesn’t have……18 trillion in debt….8 trillion of that is obama’s in just over 4 years and the extremists are the people who realize we have to stop this before this country’s dollar is worthless…..for lack of two better words, your economic philosophy is ‘politically motivated’………and completely destructive and will be viewed that way as the economy continues to decline…..tax and spend dems are elementary compared to your radical leftist socialist keynesian economic philosophers who think the way to get out of debt is to spend more……talk about clueless……your party will reap what it is sowing on the country since pelosi……..it’s time for the republicans in the house to say no more spending……that’s the only choice against obama……who by the way, says he is and has been cutting spending……pathetic…..and compete lies…..but that’s your party now jay and that’s what you support……someone who continually lies to the public and is allowed, by the media, to get away with it…….

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kam,
romney employed the women and obama doesn’t…..period, end of story next topic

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td: Then why did the Senate not take up the budget and amend the budget and send it back to the House to either accept it, change it again or call for a conference committee?

They did take it up, and voted on it. It failed passage.

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 14th, 2013
5:36 pm

“Have you not been watching? This is why the President and Speaker Boehner have been having so many ‘dates’ over the last month or so. They’re *trying* to negotiate a compromise, but House Republicans are just as recalcitrant and as hidebound as you seem to think the President is.”

I thought we were talking about the budget and not the debt ceiling?

“Please don’t assert that the Senate is obliged to duly consider and deliberate over every piece of junk the House poops out in their direction.”

So the Senate does not have to take up the budget and appropriation bills because they are not important pieces of legislation. You are really digging now because you know I am correct and the Dems are the ones not doing their job.

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JohnnyReb: The Senate, with Obama leading Harry by the nose, has refused to pass a budget in four years.

Actually we haven’t had a real budget since 1997? Where was all this during the Bush years?

*crickets*

Source: http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget

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Obama’s giving a press conference is equivalent to some tin-pot dictator having a meeting with his generals. Everyone in the room is either too terrified to ask a controversial question or in complete agreement with him. There is no “press” in the main sense of the word in this country anymore. As is demonstrated daily by Jay and Luckovich (who now dominate the AJC’s editorial content), the news media is no longer a place to seek the truth as most of them are in alliance with the leader. In fact, there is no outlet for actually reading the truth anymore. Everyone in the news/journalist business has an ideological agenda and none of them can be trusted. None.

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JohnnyReb: Paul – the point is, Obama is suppose to be the leader of the Nation. What does he do when his arrogant ways are rebuffed by the House? He uses a press conference to scare the Nation. Some leader.

OH MY GOD, you’re SO RIGHT! I’ll NEVER VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN!

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

*deep breath*

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Really dude? The bully pulpit works, man. And the House Republicans don’t have a leader either. I mean Boehner can’t even pass a Morning After Bill…..

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World War II was fought on the books with taxes raised and government bonds sold to pay for it.

See that right there ^^^ gets to me! There goes Adam, being realistic and rational again! The nerve of him!

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Adam, I have not seen one single shred of evidence (i.e., proposals) to provide meaningful debt reduction. Have you? I doubt it. I am talking about quantitative, meaningful proposals not giving another campaign speech. How friggin naïve are you?

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In case anyone was thinking I was spouting BS about the Senate taking up the Ryan budget, here you go: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55721.html

Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40

The 57-40 roll call proved more for show than substance but still stung for GOP leaders, coming less than 24 hours after the same Medicare issue figured prominently in the upset of a Republican candidate in a special House election in a conservative upstate New York district.

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Fred: THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.

If I was a Republican in office, you MIGHT have a point. Nice try, but no dice.

Shall I go get my voter registration card, take a picture, redact the personal info and post it for you?

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“Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The financial well-being of the American people is not leverage to be used. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip.”

More empty words from our fearless (make that shameless) leader. Obama lecturing anybody on responsibility is ludicrous.

It’s all duplicitous BS – read dutifully from his teleprompter. Ignore the light approaching us from the other end of the fiscal tunnel. It won’t reach us before 2017, so all is well [for now].

No doubt, Obamaphiles will swallow it whole and await his next executive order.

As has been mentioned in previous comments to this blog, ours is a President who has sent one budget to the Senate in four years.

Ours is a President who ignored the recommendations of both Simpson + Bowles and the Super Committee relative to beginning the daunting task of righting our fiscal ship.

Ours is a President who established a metric four years ago that if deficit hadn’t been reduced by half during his first term, he should be a one-termer.

Ours is a President who skillfully exploits his (equal parts) gullible and dependent constituency and a lapdog press with fatuous, prepared sound bites.

The GOP is attempting to force Obama to address the deficit. It’s not pretty. It’s a big crap sandwich and we all have to take a bite. Our President is unwilling to acknowledge the sandwich even exists.

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Adam

January 14th, 2013
5:51 pm

Fred: THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.

If I was a Republican in office, you MIGHT have a point. Nice try, but no dice.

Shall I go get my voter registration card, take a picture, redact the personal info and post it for you?
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You can do whatever you want. You keep SAYING you are a Republican and then refer to Republicans as another species. Make up your damn mind. I don’t care what some stupid card of yours says. I have a drivers license that says Georgia on it, that doesn’t make me a State.

Logic isn’t your strong point, nor is arguing. If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.

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td — “I thought we were talking about the budget and not the debt ceiling?”

Do you honestly believe that they met behind closed doors to address the nation’s fiscal woes and just completely omitted any discussion about the debt ceiling?

“So the Senate does not have to take up the budget and appropriation bills because they are not important pieces of legislation.”

Didn’t say that. I quite clearly said that if the House stamps its feet, demands its way and sends strongly partisan legislation to the Senate that has no chance whatsoever of passage, then there’s no imperative for the Senate to treat it seriously.

Please work harder on your reading comprehension and attention to detail. And don’t be afraid to ask questions.

“You are really digging now”

Not in the least.

“because you know I am correct”

ATTENTION

Microsoft Windows for Telepaths has encountered a General Program Fault

(laughing)

“and the Dems are the ones not doing their job.”

If I’ve kidnapped your family and threaten to execute them if you you don’t get me $5M within the hour, am I being realistic? Do you have a hope in hell of actually *delivering* on that demand?

No?

So if you don’t TRY to pull together that $5M in the hour I gave you, then you clearly don’t care about your family, right?

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As is demonstrated daily by Jay and Luckovich (who now dominate the AJC’s editorial content), the news media is no longer a place to seek the truth as most of them are in alliance with the leader.

Well good thing you still have Fox News….They report. You decide.

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And the House Republicans don’t have a leader either.
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YES THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama

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DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
World War II was fought on the books with taxes raised and government bonds sold to pay for it.

See that right there ^^^ gets to me! There goes Adam, being realistic and rational again! The nerve of him!
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I love it when he’s like that. Smart guy, that Adam…

(seriously. NO snark)

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td — “You do not declare party affiliation in Georgia when you register to vote. Either you are do not live in Georgia or you are an out of state poster on these boards.”

So? Plenty of regulars here don’t live in Georgia. At least one doesn’t even live in the US.

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td at 5:48 – Your numbers are off. Thos agencies and debt you listed constitute 75 per cent of what we spend. Revenues only cover 60 per cent. Atleast that was true the last time I checked, about six months ago. Are ther some changes I don’t know about?

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Someone tell Adam that when the govt sells bonds it is borrowing money. A bond is a debt instrument. Like he ones we sold to China to fiance the war we are fighting now and the one in Iraq.

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Just because the government is shut down does not mean that revenues do not continue coming in. There would be enough money coming in to pay for the debt and the defense, VA, SS and Medicare, Judicial branch. The rest of the Federal government can just go away and never re open.

You know I really worry about you “I hate the government” people. Where does your hatred of the government lead to? What happens to people like you?

(Female) Cop-Killer Executed in Alabama
(AP) ^ | DAVE BRYAN
Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 1:58:19 AM by Dallas

ATMORE, Ala. —
Lynda Lyon Block, A political extremist convicted of murdering a policeman in 1993 was put to death in the electric chair Friday, becoming the first woman executed in Alabama in 45 years.

Lynda Lyon Block declined to pursue final appeals late Thursday, claiming the courts were corrupt and lacked jurisdiction in her case. She was put to death shortly after midnight.

Among Lynda’s “extreme political views” were that the Constitution and constitutional statutes should be regarded as law in the courts; that resistance to false arrest is lawful; and that defense of self or of another, who is believed to be under unlawful threat of deadly force, by the use of deadly force – even if the assailant is a policeman – is lawful.

Her husband’s Obit for his wife:

In February of 1991 Lynda had met me when she joined the Libertarian Party, and we became friends, discovering many shared, and complimentary traits

Together we studied the Constitution and laws and discovered the devices used to deceive Americans into surrendering freedom.

While we were in Opelika, Alabama on October 4, 1993 Lynda came to my defense when an attempted false arrest by a city policeman, who first reached for his gun, turned into a gunfight between him and me.

She was murdered by barbarians because she knew too much about their conspiracy to enslave and loot Americans, because she dared to engage in combat – successfully – with one of their enforcers while defending me and her son, and because she refused to apologize for her actions. Lynda conducted herself heroically and with dignity to the very end, and deserves to be remembered as a hero.

George Everette Sibley
August 2002

Moral of the story? — Well, if you live your life like the government is the enemy and is out to get you, then they probably will

Just saying…….

Shout out to – David Koresh, Tim McVeigh, John Brown, Jim Jones.

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td nothing on Wall Street has changed because they were bailed out, bailed out a freak of nature not made to last in a real economy and the practice is causes every bit as much damage as anything the government is doing. Wall Street is an antiquated vehicle for distribution of capital, slowly loosing it position of power to other money centers. We need smaller hungrier banks, which take risk but if they lose do not take the world with them.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 14th, 2013
5:20 pm
CHRYSLER TO BUILD JEEPS IN CHINA, RUSSIA…

drudgey spam.

Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said the automaker plans to build some Jeeps in China for the local market — and later, in Russia.

“As part of our global expansion of the Jeep brand, there are some cars — that because of the price position in the market — can never be made in the U.S. and exported,” Marchionne told reporters on the sidelines of the North American International Auto Show. “We’re going to be announcing the first step in the globalization of Jeep (in China). There’s another one that’s going to come in Russia. These things are part of a natural process of expansion.”

Ooops!

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Oscar

January 14th, 2013
6:05 pm

Someone tell Adam that when the govt sells bonds it is borrowing money. A bond is a debt instrument. Like he ones we sold to China to fiance the war we are fighting now and the one in Iraq.
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You also need a better understanding of the bond issue Oscar. We didn’t “sell” China bonds. They decided to buy them. A bond isn’t’ a secured debt like a mortgage, it’s an unsecured debt where the one doing the buying is betting that not only will they get paid back, but also that they will get interest. There is no guarantee of either.

What happens if we tell China to go screw themselves? What happens if we close out borders to China’s goods for 1 month? Which do you think would bankrupt China? I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t the bonds………

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They always approve the new debt ceiling. We’ve been down this same road many times. Now that the “fiscal cliff” drama has come and gone the media will try to hold our attention with debt ceiling suspense.

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Fred: If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.

I’m not a far left wing lunatic though. That’s just something you made up in your head. You have attributed it to things that would be called Republican 30 years ago.

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Danggit Joe…. now they are going to demand a photo ID to post. Because of course, the AJC is only for Georgians just like the WSJ is only for Wall Street NY’ers.

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Hey! All you Tuner Diaries readers, a relevant, accurate point was posted, but since it dealt with things like reality and truth, you probably missed it. Here it goes again, just in case you really wanna know…..

From Paul: and your unwillingness to examine those questions indicates you don’t want to jeopardize your antipathy towards Obama with any facts that would interfere with that.

Also that you recognize the arguments are bogus but they sounded good when you heard them so, hey, why not keep repeating them?

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Adam

January 14th, 2013
6:10 pm

Fred: If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.

I’m not a far left wing lunatic though. That’s just something you made up in your head. You have attributed it to things that would be called Republican 30 years ago.
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Yeah you are. Your stated positions are to the FAR left, not the moderate left. Deny it all you wish, but your words are here for us all to read. I know, Neal Boortz is REALLY a libertarian too………

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KUTGF — “Danggit Joe…. now they are going to demand a photo ID to post. Because of course, the AJC is only for Georgians just like the WSJ is only for Wall Street NY’ers”

In that case, I look forward to seeing Bill Orvis White’s ID documents from The Mothership.

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Oh and Lil Adam? 30years ago Republicans weren’t for taking all guns away from folks like you are. 30 years ago Republicans didn’t believe this made up BS that Global Warming is all man made like you do. I could go on but it’s pointless.

The only thing worse than a fanatic is one who isn’t intellectually honest about their fanaticism.

I’m a hard core INDEPENDENT. I admit it.

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Where is O’bozo’s plan to address our fiscal problems? Or do we have one?

He got his tax increase on the undeserving ingrates didn’t he? I thought that would fix everything, but it didn’t.

Shocked, I am.

Since we don’t have a spending problem, according to him, how do we close the gap between spending and revenues?

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DownInAlbany

“I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”

What does ‘default’ (used several times in the link) mean to you?

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The issue is making Obama come to the table for compromise on spending cuts. If the government shuts down, it will little Barry’s fault although the Left and media will protect him by pointing fingers at the Republicans

Oh ye of the small attention span……

Obama has already agreed to THREE spending cuts compared to the republicans agreeing to ONE revenue adjustment.

First cut was when the GOP took the house in 2010…

Second cut was when the GOP held the country hostage with the FIRST debt ceiling talks…

And
THIRD cut was just a few days ago — called the Fiscal CLiff compromise…

For the repubictards to demand MORE cuts yet won’t raise the tax responsibility significantly on the 1% is just ridiculous. And for the republicly CONNED to repeat that madness is utterly stupid.

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The gop act like the enemy so I will call them aq.

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reb

The legislative branch is responsible to pay the bills not the executive, they hold the purse strings and that’s a fact. Obama told it like it is today which caused a total brain fart of responses from the conned. I have to admit, the disconnect is…well…astounding!!!

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“The issue is making Obama come to the table for compromise on spending cuts.”

All you who keep posting this: you DO realize what you’re saying is CURRENT FISCAL YEAR cuts, don’t you?

Or, if that’s not what you mean, you are saying you’re willing to let the deficit run as projected this fiscal year?

And pretty much for the next?

And the next?

Else, just when are these big cuts you say Republicans want, going to occur, hmmmmm?

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“Then why on earth has he repeatedly said we need entitlement reform?!!?”

Sweet.

What’s his proposal?

Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t have one.

Just BS words for his lapdogs to suck up.

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If Republicans did not force Obama to discuss spending cuts, just what do Moonbats think will happen to reduce the debt?

Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down. (thanks stands! )

I think the projections are Obama will add another 4 Trillion by the end of his second term. He has to be stopped.

Idiotic parrot prattle — Foul! and a red card!

Deflecturbation AND parrot prattle all in one post. Must be a full moon tonight…..

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Paul

January 14th, 2013
6:19 pm
DownInAlbany

“I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”

What does ‘default’ (used several times in the link) mean to you?

If you will notice, this statement was in quotation marks, indicating a direct quote by the person being referenced. It was a lib talking point or a lie. Or both?

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“Who the f is “Obozo” you rude person?”

Hi, Freddie.

O’bozo is Barry the Wonderful.

Thanks for asking.

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Jay

January 14th, 2013
6:31 pm

How many of these budgets were passed by the democratic controlled Senate?

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aq are still fixated on getting our President.

This helps our country marginalize aq.

There are consequences for their actions.

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“Any amount ADDED to the debt is because CONGRESS approved prior spending and because we are recovering from the 2008 recession.”

So O’bozo has absolutely no responsibility to try to fix our financial problems.

Got it.

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Fred: Yeah you are. Your stated positions are to the FAR left, not the moderate left. Deny it all you wish, but your words are here for us all to read. I know, Neal Boortz is REALLY a libertarian too………

Cite me.

I’ll wait.

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“Ours is a president who has submitted a budget to Congress every single year that he has been in office.” – says Jay. And, he is correct.

However, none have been supported even by Democrats. Again, its smoke and mirrors. The money appropriated is larger because of some fluke in the base line.

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Well, I’ve done some figuring. If every single federal worker was fired, that would make up 7% of the annual budget. If they fired the military along with civilian federal workers they could make up almost 14% of the annual budget. We’d only have about 26% more to go to get a balanced budget.

Anyhow, I think the federal workers will take it in the shorts for voting for Obama. So they can go ahead and bend over that table now. And this time they won’t get make-up pay when the guvmint shuts down and later re-opens. I say, heck, why fiddle around by not giving them pay raises and making them pay more for their retirement and such. Let’s go after the whole shebang and take a big chunk of their yearly pay.

But there better be somebody there to take my call when I need to call somebody about my benefits.

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Let’s be clear. Obama and all DEMS, LIBS, Progressives, people with brains, and anyone not crazy understands the idiot Republicans are “serious” about their pout but not really about the debt. Romney and the Republicans wanted to spend more on the military, they want to cut the savings in Obamacare. So let’s be clear. You are serious about your pout. You are NOT serious about cutting the deficit and the stupidity of shutting down this country will actually COST US MORE.

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Sinkwich 6:26

You really don’t know about Google or anything other that Rush or Fox, do you?

http://change.gov/agenda/seniors_and_social_security_agenda/

Now, I predict you’ll go off on ‘those aren’t good enough.”

But that wasn’t your original question. You wanted specifics. You got them. May not agree with them (and I don’t think they go far enough) but that’s not the point. You asked for a specific, you got it.

Now maybe you can get back to supporting where you claim we have no problem with the current level of spending, hmmmm?

Here’s another prediction.

You can’t.

DownInAlbany

““I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”

What does ‘default’ (used several times in the link) mean to you?

If you will notice, this statement was in quotation marks, indicating a direct quote by the person being referenced. It was a lib talking point or a lie. Or both?”

So let me get this straight.

Because you couldn’t find the exact words, some in caps of ““I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”

you’re making the point Republicans never, ever, in any manner, shape or form, indicated we should not pay our bills? Because those exact words with caps were never used, except by the person asking you a question? So the concept of ‘default’ doesn’t apply?

THAT’S what you’re hanging your hat on?

Or am I totally misreading your position?

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JohnnyReb: However, none have been supported even by Democrats

There is no evidence of that. Obama’s budgets have never been voted on. Many times they were attached to other bills and stripped of most of the content, and ONCE they put a bill on the floor without appropriations, making it also not Obama’s budget they were voting on. And they did it so that you could erroneously say that everyone voted against it in your argumentum ad populum nonsense argument.

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Shame on you for acting like an enemy.

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curious:

After seeing the others get trashed by the Republicans, they decline the opportunity.

I suppose your referring to Susan Rice. Obviously she didn’t get support from dems either because she would have been nominated if so..

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So, DebbieDoDallas, what exactly were those cuts? and how much?

He raised taxes. He’s gonna grab some guns. He said we don’t have a spending problem. He’s clueless just like his servile devotees.

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Guess that 2% from FICA that hasn’t been collected for the last 2 years would come in handy to make the SS payments IF the gov’t shuts down! Oh darn, it sounded good a couple of years ago.

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Perhaps you cons should watch the inauguration for a reminder, you are still Americans.

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If you will notice, this statement was in quotation marks, indicating a direct quote by the person being referenced. It was a lib talking point or a lie. Or both

I truly believe, deep down in my heart, that you are insane. Can’t you see what your hatred of Obama has done to your common sense? (If you ever had any)

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Adam

January 14th, 2013
6:47 pm
Paul: His position has nothing to do with caps, but the phrase. It’s a semantics argument. He wants to try to make the case that default doesn’t mean “no we will not pay our bills” OR that Republicans in the House haven’t actually threatened default somehow.

td seems to think it’s all rosy goodie and nothing bad will happen. We won’t default, we’ll just not pay some of our bills! Yeah it didn’t make sense to me either….

My words get snarkily literalized on here with just about post. Seems turnabout is fair play, that’s all. I’m not taking a stance one way or the other.

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“…threatening to destroy the U.S. economy if they don’t get their way…”

Hyperbole much, Jay?

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“I should also note that when adjusted for inflation, total projected spending for fiscal 2013 will be less than it was in fiscal 2009, when Obama took office.”

Oh, I guess we have no financial problem at all.

My bad.

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Hyperbole much, Jay?

Not at all (in my opinion) and certainly much less than the clownish posts about the downfall of this country because of Obama’s election or so much of the other conned foolishness.

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It’s all on how it’s reported Jay and you are doing your part, for the democrats !

These dramatic headlines describing the fiscal cliff. Oh such peril, the lady is on the tracks and here comes the train ! What do we do ?

Democratic plan ? Raise the ceiling so we can pay the bills ! My God what shall we do ? Those incorrigible republicans they just block everything we want ! Don’t they know that only our way is best ? Don’t they know that raising the debt ceiling would mean we could take on new debt ? Pay our new bills ? Spend more money ?

Odd how you position the republicans as the big bad wolf and its sad that the libs in general fall lock step into your inventive math solutions. What is even more fascinating is the fact that you guys will not move from your position yet you have convinced people that its the republicans who WILL NOT COMPROMISE !

Imagine the gall, the republicans have. They want us to stop spending so much money, what are they thinking ?

By the way Jay, we send represenatives and senators to Washington to vote our will not to be controlled by one man. Seems you forgot that Jay. I guess it’s best that your guys just keep doing what Harry and Nancy tell them to, I am sure all of them agree 100% with what Harry and Nancy say, don’t they ?

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Paul

January 14th, 2013
6:59 pm
DownInAlbany

“How many of these budgets were passed by the democratic controlled Senate?”

You do realize the last was rejected because Pres Obama proposed larger deficit reduction than the Senators wanted, don’t you?

And that somehow makes it ok? How?

And, no, I do not claim to be an expert on the budget process (or much of anything else for that matter), but, think that EITHER party is acting responsibly is ludicrous.

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That is the system established in the Constitution. Using the debt-ceiling threat — in essence, threatening to destroy the U.S. economy if they don’t get their way — was never contemplated by the Founding Fathers.

I should also note that when adjusted for inflation, total projected spending for fiscal 2013 will be less than it was in fiscal 2009, when Obama took office. That’s the first real four-year reduction in federal spending during a presidential term since Ike Eisenhower’s first term.

First of all according to Obama there has been no inflation in the last 4 years are spending levels less than 4 years ago- I think not.
Second your man was all smiles when we face the debt ceiling last time and signed the act to support the Bowls(SP?) Simpson commission then when he got the report said not on my watch== he does not want any reduction in spending he just wants our money to pay for his failed programs

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“cons do not even know the budget process.”

Bingo, getalife

‘course, they could read about it here. Just the broad outline.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=155

But then they’d be confronted with the knowledge that what they’ve been swallowing from their media sources is bogus.

So they won’t read it.

Let alone take that knowledge and bump it up against what they’ve been saying.

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Conservatism: a grand synthesis of the fearful, the petty, the gullible, the tightfisted, and tight-sphinctered.

Generally unattractive all around.

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If you have a two income family…

Not this false comparison again.

A household budget is not the same as a federal budget.

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Well, spit. I was hopeful the Supremes could issue a declaratory judgment regarding the 14th Amendment and this debt ceiling nonsense and take the wind out of the GOP’s sails.

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a grand synthesis of the fearful, the petty, the gullible, the tightfisted, and tight-sphinctered.

Like the fear that the pubs are going to default on the debt and shut down the federal government? Yes, I know it’s happened before, but, who was in control then? (honest question). Do the pubs that controll one branch have the power to do that?

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This is so true on this blog:

“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but they know so much isn’t so”.
Ronald Reagan 1964

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Why does Jay keep swinging at the ignorant nonsense, like about how many budgets Obama has submitted, which is a very minor infraction of logic by comparison with most of what Jay swings at, unless the guy is a paid stooge? Dont you readers get it? Paid AJC stooges, can throw idiotic softballs at Jay, and then he hits them out of the park, thus increasing his stature with the readership and thus they click on more ads. It’s pathos that has a pecuniary stench. Worse. It’s not an open public forum. It’s a staged partisan play. Well meaning voters are contributing here thinking that the replies they read to their own comments are actually public opinion. That’s a fraud. I demand Jay Bookman’s resignation. Ditto Kyle WIngfield. Ditto any of the blogs who pay stooges to “Pygmalion” (used as a verb here) group think itself. It’s disgusting.

So what are their protections? Well, the paid stooges can deny it. But all we need is an investigation. Not just to determine who the stooges are, but also to see how far into my hard drive that the AJC has nosed around, like the felony that Rupert Murdoch was prosecuted for….. after all, Jay Bookman must think he’s Citizen Kane himself, (don’t you agree, the arrogance drips off every piece he hacks from other writers). Jay loves to hack voice, tone, and approach in nearly every single thing he’s written since he’s opened this blog. Fact. Just resign, Jay. Spare your family the shame, pal. Write that novel. You’ll be fine.

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A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Could someone send some meds to the blogger above me?

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“Look, I might as well tell you now. He’s a monkey.”
Ronald Reagan 1951

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USA Patriot

“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but they know so much isn’t so”.”

But now, given the comments repeated on this blog regarding the federal budget process, reductions proposed by the president and the comments on the debt ceiling, that statement now applies squarely to conservatives.

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GA

Alex Jones and the black helicopters are coming..

Don’t you worry

Infowars has your back

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Georgia

“Why does Jay keep swinging at the ignorant nonsense, like about how many budgets Obama has submitted,”

Maybe because conservative bloggers keep talking about it?

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Not just to determine who the stooges are, but also to see how far into my hard drive that the AJC has nosed around…

Jay can read what you type before you post it.

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As long as these bottom feeding maggots eliminate their salaries and benefits first, I’m with it

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Paul

January 14th, 2013
7:26 pm

Good answer. I’ll also stick to my premise…they’re all crooks simply working toward the next election cycle.

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“No spending cuts? Only the most in history since Eisenhower”

Okay, I want to know what they are? I have read about the August 2011 deal that will kick in at the end of 2012, but the sequester was delayed. Someone please tell me again exactly what were the cuts??? And don’t tell me about the Medicare shell game with Obamacare.

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DownInAlbany

I’m right behind you, cept if you wanna move up in the world, I can always put in a good word at Trader Joe’s for ya’. Plus, scooters get preferred parking.

Pleasant evening, all -

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I have to check out, but will be back later. I am really interested to find out what these supposed cuts are.

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Wrong, Paul. Jay must have entered that idiotic comment about Obama only submitting one budget, himself. Doesn’t it make the conservative comments look stupid? Doesn’t it make Jay look Wagnerian and Heroic!!!!!

I am a troll. I freely admit my role in forming the rules that protect the readers from nonsense and clown acts. But I wasn’t paid. I was in it for the laughs. Of which I gleaned millions and millions, (of laughs). So what? The big diff here, Paul, is that I’m not trying to sell ads by thugging a blog with a bunch of paid trolls like, obviously, the AJC is doing. It’s one thing to express yourself freely and then gauge the response from free-thinking unpaid public sentiment. It’s another thing, sir, to read the bunch of corporate spittle in the form of mercenary criticism of your political position. It’s tyrannical. It’s wrong. It’s worse than communism. It’s worse than socialism. It’s worse than any historical oligarchy, (and it’s worse than der heetler unt his frauline teetler).

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Sometimes Congressional gridlock is a good compromise.

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I want this guy as President –oops

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. . . . It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

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Jhunt — “And don’t tell me about the Medicare shell game with Obamacare.”

What shell game?

If you’re trying to buy a new car and you manage to get it for $2000 under the sticker price, do you call that a shell game or a good deal?

The Administration *negotiated* rate reductions from Medicare providers that resulted in a $700M *savings,* but no cuts in services. That’s called — as above — “a good deal.” One could also call it “good business.”

This notion of a “shell game” was a lie that the Romney camp pushed during the campaign and *continued* to push despite being called out on it repeatedly.

http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/16/romneys-medicare-nonsense/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/13/yes-obamacare-cuts-medicare-more-than-president-romney-would/

I recommend that you read the Forbes article closely, for it details the lie the Romney folks told not only about Obama and Medicare, but also the lie the Romney folks told about *themselves* and Medicare. In short, Obama managed to squeeze out $700M in savings from Medicare with no loss of services — freeing up that money to be used elsewhere (in this case, for the PPACA or “Obamacare”).

Whereas the Romney plan for Medicare was simply to CUT about $700M from it.

And suffer a corresponding reduction in services, because he didn’t plan to negotiate like Obama did.

And since he wanted to stop PPACA, that $700M would have just gone into tax cuts for him and his rich pals (per the Ryan budget).

So if you want to complain about a Medicare shell game, your criticism is most accurately aimed at Romney, not Obama.

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Paul

January 14th, 2013
6:06 pm

td

“Just because the government is shut down does not mean that revenues do not continue coming in. There would be enough money coming in to pay for the debt and the defense, VA, SS and Medicare, Judicial branch. The rest of the Federal government can just go away and never re open.”

You keep saying this. Do you have ANY numbers to back it up?

Let’s get general for a minute. If we’re borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent, that means we have 60 cents of every dollar spent that’s not borrowed. You with me on that?

So in this year and on into next, for every 1000 billion we can pay for 600 billion thru tax revenues (not borrowed). Still with me?

So….. what happens when the money from tax receipts runs out?

Even if you don’t have numbers, it’s kinda simple, really.

But you sound like ‘well, money keeps coming in forever, so what’s the problem?”

Federal Revenue coming in $2.52 trillion per year.
Current spending is $3.82 Trillion:
Deficit: $1.08 trillion per year.

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/growth-federal-spending-revenue

Defense spending: $718 billion or 20% of the budget.
Social Security: $731 billion or 20% of the budget
Medicare/Medicaid and CHIP $769 billion or 21% of the budget. Only $486 billion is Medicare so it is really 12% of the budget
Interest on the debt: $230 or 6% of the budget.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258

That means we spend $2.14 trillion on these programs and we bring in $2.52 trillion per year in revenue.

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