House GOP still hellbent on debt-ceiling showdown
The juxtaposition here is telling.
First, from Politico, an explanation of how House Republicans and their leaders are approaching the issue of a looming showdown over the debt ceiling:
“I think it is possible that we would shut down the government to make sure President Obama understands that we’re serious,” House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington state told us. “We always talk about whether or not we’re going to kick the can down the road. I think the mood is that we’ve come to the end of the road.”
Republican leadership officials, in a series of private meetings and conversations this past week, warned that the White House, much less the broader public, doesn’t understand how hard it will be to talk restive conservatives off the fiscal ledge. To the vast majority of House Republicans, it is far riskier long term to pile up new debt than it is to test the market and economic reaction of default or closing down the government.
GOP officials said more than half of their members are prepared to allow default unless Obama agrees to dramatic cuts he has repeatedly said he opposes. Many more members, including some party leaders, are prepared to shut down the government to make their point. House Speaker John Boehner “may need a shutdown just to get it out of their system,” said a top GOP leadership adviser. “We might need to do that for member-management purposes — so they have an endgame and can show their constituents they’re fighting.”
That’s right: By the admission of top GOP officials, internal party “member-management purposes” may require them to force a shutdown of the U.S. government. Furthermore, House Republicans are out of the speaker’s control and even more intransigent than understood by the White House and the general public, which already believes them to be extremist.
Now contrast that with President Obama’s statements today at a White House press conference to close his first four-year term:
“America cannot afford another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they’ve already racked up. If congressional Republicans refuse to pay America’s bills on time, Social Security checks, and veterans benefits will be delayed.
We might not be able to pay our troops, or honor our contracts with small business owners. Food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear materials wouldn’t get their paychecks. Investors around the world will ask if the United States of America is in fact a safe bet. Markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. Every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire.
It would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. It would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession. And ironically it would probably increase our deficit. So to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the United States of America not paying its bills, is irresponsible. It’s absurd….
Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The financial well-being of the American people is not leverage to be used. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip.”
In the weeks ahead, the American people will have to decide which of those two narratives they find more appealing, patriotic and rational. But the GOP has already made its choice. They continue to insist, publicly and apparently in private conversations among themselves, that it’s “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” toward a government shutdown. Having whipped themselves into a fervor, convinced of the holiness of their mission, they will not be dissuaded from carrying it out.
The rest of us are just along for the ride.
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Why can’t Oblama seem to find any qualified women to work in his administration???
If only Romney would share his binders full of women….
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Fred: Give those complete utter morons EXACTLY what they want. Let the Rush Limbaugh/talk radio/FOXBOT idiots pay for the consequences of their stupidity and actions.
Hear hear!
Logical Dude
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Bob
Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said the automaker plans to build some Jeeps in China for the local market
Yes, we all knew that already. What ROMNEY was saying to Ohio folks was the Jeep would close the Ohio facilities down to do it. Ohio folks know that Jeep was not going to close down the Ohio production facilities, so ROMNEY LOST the election there for basically trying to deceive the Ohio voters.
Good try, though.
JohnnyReb
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Paul – the point is, Obama is suppose to be the leader of the Nation. What does he do when his arrogant ways are rebuffed by the House? He uses a press conference to scare the Nation. Some leader.
DannyX
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Speaking of plans, Republicans want to shut down the government, then what?
How do they plan on paying off debt, maintain defense spending, and not raise taxes?
Billybob
January 14th, 2013
5:39 pm
Jay,
Extremists?…..people who want the gov’t to stop spending money it doesn’t have……18 trillion in debt….8 trillion of that is obama’s in just over 4 years and the extremists are the people who realize we have to stop this before this country’s dollar is worthless…..for lack of two better words, your economic philosophy is ‘politically motivated’………and completely destructive and will be viewed that way as the economy continues to decline…..tax and spend dems are elementary compared to your radical leftist socialist keynesian economic philosophers who think the way to get out of debt is to spend more……talk about clueless……your party will reap what it is sowing on the country since pelosi……..it’s time for the republicans in the house to say no more spending……that’s the only choice against obama……who by the way, says he is and has been cutting spending……pathetic…..and compete lies…..but that’s your party now jay and that’s what you support……someone who continually lies to the public and is allowed, by the media, to get away with it…….
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
5:40 pm
J. Reb — “When the reckoning comes, some on the Left who vilified Romney will find it very hot for a very long time.”
Uh huh. (laughing)
http://dce.oca.org/assets/templates/bulletin.cfm?mode=html&id=195
Billybob
January 14th, 2013
5:41 pm
kam,
romney employed the women and obama doesn’t…..period, end of story next topic
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:41 pm
TBG: UHHH yes you would.
From Democrats.
It’s called POLITICS.
TBG is right about this. They may not have made noise before but after the norms the Republicans just trashed over the past 4 years? You bet your sweet ass they would be yelling about it!
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:42 pm
td: Then why did the Senate not take up the budget and amend the budget and send it back to the House to either accept it, change it again or call for a conference committee?
They did take it up, and voted on it. It failed passage.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
5:43 pm
It is not the past debts that would go unpaid, it is the $3-4 BILLION PER DAY we run in current deficit that would not get paid
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Wow. Really? You use the screen name Dumb and Dumber and you write something like the last sentence I quoted?
Hey there Mr. Smarter than the “Dumb and Dumber President” where exactly DID those “$3-4 BILLION PER DAY we run in current deficit” come from? The FUTURE?
Oh no they would come from the PAST.
Just damn. Do people ever read the stupid crap they post or is this what passes for intellect among the Republicans?
td
January 14th, 2013
5:43 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
5:36 pm
“Have you not been watching? This is why the President and Speaker Boehner have been having so many ‘dates’ over the last month or so. They’re *trying* to negotiate a compromise, but House Republicans are just as recalcitrant and as hidebound as you seem to think the President is.”
I thought we were talking about the budget and not the debt ceiling?
“Please don’t assert that the Senate is obliged to duly consider and deliberate over every piece of junk the House poops out in their direction.”
So the Senate does not have to take up the budget and appropriation bills because they are not important pieces of legislation. You are really digging now because you know I am correct and the Dems are the ones not doing their job.
Bob
January 14th, 2013
5:43 pm
Logical dude, if Romney said jeep would shut down it’s US plant then I was wrong, can you show me where he said jeep would shut US plant down ?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:43 pm
JohnnyReb: The Senate, with Obama leading Harry by the nose, has refused to pass a budget in four years.
Actually we haven’t had a real budget since 1997? Where was all this during the Bush years?
*crickets*
Source: http://prospect.org/article/does-congress-even-need-pass-budget
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
5:44 pm
Billybob
January 14th, 2013
5:41 pm
kam,
romney employed the women and obama doesn’t…..period, end of story next topic
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Billybob: President Obama IS President of the United States and Romney is a loser wannabe…….. period, end of story next topic
pogo
January 14th, 2013
5:44 pm
Obama’s giving a press conference is equivalent to some tin-pot dictator having a meeting with his generals. Everyone in the room is either too terrified to ask a controversial question or in complete agreement with him. There is no “press” in the main sense of the word in this country anymore. As is demonstrated daily by Jay and Luckovich (who now dominate the AJC’s editorial content), the news media is no longer a place to seek the truth as most of them are in alliance with the leader. In fact, there is no outlet for actually reading the truth anymore. Everyone in the news/journalist business has an ideological agenda and none of them can be trusted. None.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
5:45 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:29 pm
If you call simple name calling like that losing it I have a nice property on the moon to sell you. Ask Newt Gingrich.
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If *you* are selling the property, why would I sak Newt anything?
Why would he be involved in our transaction?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:45 pm
JohnnyReb: Paul – the point is, Obama is suppose to be the leader of the Nation. What does he do when his arrogant ways are rebuffed by the House? He uses a press conference to scare the Nation. Some leader.
OH MY GOD, you’re SO RIGHT! I’ll NEVER VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN!
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
*deep breath*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Really dude? The bully pulpit works, man. And the House Republicans don’t have a leader either. I mean Boehner can’t even pass a Morning After Bill…..
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:47 pm
TBG: Newt has 10% on all moon transactions, didn’t you know? It was called the Moon Base Act and it passed in 1999. ROFL
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
World War II was fought on the books with taxes raised and government bonds sold to pay for it.
See that right there ^^^ gets to me! There goes Adam, being realistic and rational again! The nerve of him!
td
January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
DannyX
January 14th, 2013
5:38 pm
Speaking of plans, Republicans want to shut down the government, then what?
How do they plan on paying off debt, maintain defense spending, and not raise taxes?
Just because the government is shut down does not mean that revenues do not continue coming in. There would be enough money coming in to pay for the debt and the defense, VA, SS and Medicare, Judicial branch. The rest of the Federal government can just go away and never re open.
Get Real
January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
Adam, I have not seen one single shred of evidence (i.e., proposals) to provide meaningful debt reduction. Have you? I doubt it. I am talking about quantitative, meaningful proposals not giving another campaign speech. How friggin naïve are you?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:41 pm
TBG: UHHH yes you would.
From Democrats.
It’s called POLITICS.
TBG is right about this. They may not have made noise before but after the norms the Republicans just trashed over the past 4 years? You bet your sweet ass they would be yelling about it!
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THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:49 pm
In case anyone was thinking I was spouting BS about the Senate taking up the Ryan budget, here you go: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55721.html
Senate votes down Paul Ryan budget plan, 57-40
With five Republicans joining Democrats in opposition, the Senate easily rejected a House-passed budget plan Wednesday calling for deep cuts in domestic appropriations and major restructuring of Medicare, the government-backed healthcare program for the elderly.
The 57-40 roll call proved more for show than substance but still stung for GOP leaders, coming less than 24 hours after the same Medicare issue figured prominently in the upset of a Republican candidate in a special House election in a conservative upstate New York district.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
5:49 pm
billybob — “who by the way, says he is and has been cutting spending……pathetic…..and compete lies…..”
“romney employed the women and obama doesn’t…..period, end of story next topic”
It’s quite remarkable how some of our conservative friends and associates can be so totally convinced of things that are so overwhelmingly false.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:51 pm
Fred: THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.
If I was a Republican in office, you MIGHT have a point. Nice try, but no dice.
Shall I go get my voter registration card, take a picture, redact the personal info and post it for you?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:51 pm
Get Real: Adam, I have not seen one single shred of evidence (i.e., proposals) to provide meaningful debt reduction. Have you? I doubt it. I am talking about quantitative, meaningful proposals not giving another campaign speech. How friggin naïve are you?
I have responded to much in the past half hour. What is this in response to?
Escaped from Email Purgatory
January 14th, 2013
5:52 pm
“Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The financial well-being of the American people is not leverage to be used. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip.”
More empty words from our fearless (make that shameless) leader. Obama lecturing anybody on responsibility is ludicrous.
It’s all duplicitous BS – read dutifully from his teleprompter. Ignore the light approaching us from the other end of the fiscal tunnel. It won’t reach us before 2017, so all is well [for now].
No doubt, Obamaphiles will swallow it whole and await his next executive order.
As has been mentioned in previous comments to this blog, ours is a President who has sent one budget to the Senate in four years.
Ours is a President who ignored the recommendations of both Simpson + Bowles and the Super Committee relative to beginning the daunting task of righting our fiscal ship.
Ours is a President who established a metric four years ago that if deficit hadn’t been reduced by half during his first term, he should be a one-termer.
Ours is a President who skillfully exploits his (equal parts) gullible and dependent constituency and a lapdog press with fatuous, prepared sound bites.
The GOP is attempting to force Obama to address the deficit. It’s not pretty. It’s a big crap sandwich and we all have to take a bite. Our President is unwilling to acknowledge the sandwich even exists.
td
January 14th, 2013
5:53 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:49 pm
So where is the Democratic substitute budget? What was the reason for voting it down instead of amending it or substituting their own budget? If they rejected the Republican budget is it not their duty to come up with an alternative?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
5:54 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:51 pm
Fred: THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.
If I was a Republican in office, you MIGHT have a point. Nice try, but no dice.
Shall I go get my voter registration card, take a picture, redact the personal info and post it for you?
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You can do whatever you want. You keep SAYING you are a Republican and then refer to Republicans as another species. Make up your damn mind. I don’t care what some stupid card of yours says. I have a drivers license that says Georgia on it, that doesn’t make me a State.
Logic isn’t your strong point, nor is arguing. If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
5:54 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:41 pm
TBG is right about this. They may not have made noise before…
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you are right Adam, nary a peep from dems about the “debt ceiling” when the pres was a repub.
On March 16, 2006, the Senate held a vote on a measure to raise the debt ceiling by $781 billion — the fourth such vote of George W. Bush’s presidency. Republicans controlled the Senate, and Democrats spent much of the debate railing against Bush’s spending. “When it comes to deficits, this president owns all the records,” said Reid. “The three largest deficits in our nation’s history have all occurred under this administration’s watch.”
Declaring themselves outraged by such spending, Reid, Durbin, Schumer, and Murray all voted against raising the debt limit. So did every other Democrat — including Sen. Barack Obama.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/top-dems-urging-obama-to-raise-debt-ceiling-all-voted-against-increase-in-06/article/2518344
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
5:55 pm
td — “I thought we were talking about the budget and not the debt ceiling?”
Do you honestly believe that they met behind closed doors to address the nation’s fiscal woes and just completely omitted any discussion about the debt ceiling?
“So the Senate does not have to take up the budget and appropriation bills because they are not important pieces of legislation.”
Didn’t say that. I quite clearly said that if the House stamps its feet, demands its way and sends strongly partisan legislation to the Senate that has no chance whatsoever of passage, then there’s no imperative for the Senate to treat it seriously.
Please work harder on your reading comprehension and attention to detail. And don’t be afraid to ask questions.
“You are really digging now”
Not in the least.
“because you know I am correct”
ATTENTION
Microsoft Windows for Telepaths has encountered a General Program Fault
(laughing)
“and the Dems are the ones not doing their job.”
If I’ve kidnapped your family and threaten to execute them if you you don’t get me $5M within the hour, am I being realistic? Do you have a hope in hell of actually *delivering* on that demand?
No?
So if you don’t TRY to pull together that $5M in the hour I gave you, then you clearly don’t care about your family, right?
Paul
January 14th, 2013
5:55 pm
JohnnyReb
“Paul – the point is, Obama is suppose to be the leader of the Nation. ”
No, the point is, based on your posts, I asked
““The Senate, with Obama leading Harry by the nose, has refused to pass a budget in four years.”
//Has the Senate passed any appropriations bills that the President has signed?//
and
““This is showdown time and all the scare tactics, such as people who track loose nuclear material won’t get paid, will not change this show-down. Oh yea, he pulled out the old no SS checks line today also.”
//What will the US Treasury use to pay those nuke trackers or SS checks?”//
and your unwillingness to examine those questions indicates you don’t want to jeopardize your antipathy towards Obama with any facts that would interfere with that.
Also that you recognize the arguments are bogus but they sounded good when you heard them so, hey, why not keep repeating them?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
5:55 pm
As is demonstrated daily by Jay and Luckovich (who now dominate the AJC’s editorial content), the news media is no longer a place to seek the truth as most of them are in alliance with the leader.
Well good thing you still have Fox News….They report. You decide.
td
January 14th, 2013
5:56 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:51 pm
Fred: THE Republicans? Why Adam, it is just less than a week ago that you said YOU are a Republican. The correct term from you would then be WE Republicans.
If I was a Republican in office, you MIGHT have a point. Nice try, but no dice.
Shall I go get my voter registration card, take a picture, redact the personal info and post it for you?
You do not declare party affiliation in Georgia when you register to vote. Either you are do not live in Georgia or you are an out of state poster on these boards.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
5:57 pm
And the House Republicans don’t have a leader either.
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YES THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama
Get Real
January 14th, 2013
5:58 pm
Adam…you requested proof that Obama has no interest in reducing the debt….if you have any I would love to see it, truly. I am referring to meaningful reduction not a drop in the bucket over 10 years that will not keep pace with the annual deficits he is running….
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
5:59 pm
DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
5:48 pm
World War II was fought on the books with taxes raised and government bonds sold to pay for it.
See that right there ^^^ gets to me! There goes Adam, being realistic and rational again! The nerve of him!
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I love it when he’s like that. Smart guy, that Adam…
(seriously. NO snark)
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:01 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
5:56 pm
You do not declare party affiliation in Georgia when you register to vote. Either you are do not live in Georgia or you are an out of state poster on these boards.
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Now this is funny. YOU are the one who calls into question others “reading comprehension skills” yet we comprehend the garbage you write quite well td.
That crap about is NOT an “either or” statement. If he doesn’t live in Georgia OF COURSE he is an out of state poster.
Just DAMN you are too easy. I can’t wait to here you spin this one, move the goal posts, and insult me while you do it.
Oh and by the way? Adam has said he doesn’t live here. Where he lives is a mystery. He won’t tell because he’s afraid someone here might find out what state and stalk the whole state until they find him lol. Hell, we aren’t even sure he lives in this COUNTRY.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
6:01 pm
td — “You do not declare party affiliation in Georgia when you register to vote. Either you are do not live in Georgia or you are an out of state poster on these boards.”
So? Plenty of regulars here don’t live in Georgia. At least one doesn’t even live in the US.
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:02 pm
“The White House has informed House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that it will miss the legal deadline for sending a budget to Congress.”
Stop the presses! Dog bites man! Airplane lands without crashing! Apartment doesn’t burn! Clerk not shot!
“We don’t have a spending problem”
– Barry O’bozo
Oscar
January 14th, 2013
6:02 pm
td at 5:48 – Your numbers are off. Thos agencies and debt you listed constitute 75 per cent of what we spend. Revenues only cover 60 per cent. Atleast that was true the last time I checked, about six months ago. Are ther some changes I don’t know about?
td
January 14th, 2013
6:04 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
5:55 pm
LMFAO. You are deflecting harder then I have ever seen a progressive deflect. The Republicans have done their job on the budget and appropriation bills and the Dems in the Senate have not done their job.
Oscar
January 14th, 2013
6:05 pm
Someone tell Adam that when the govt sells bonds it is borrowing money. A bond is a debt instrument. Like he ones we sold to China to fiance the war we are fighting now and the one in Iraq.
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:06 pm
td
“Just because the government is shut down does not mean that revenues do not continue coming in. There would be enough money coming in to pay for the debt and the defense, VA, SS and Medicare, Judicial branch. The rest of the Federal government can just go away and never re open.”
You keep saying this. Do you have ANY numbers to back it up?
Let’s get general for a minute. If we’re borrowing 40 cents of every dollar spent, that means we have 60 cents of every dollar spent that’s not borrowed. You with me on that?
So in this year and on into next, for every 1000 billion we can pay for 600 billion thru tax revenues (not borrowed). Still with me?
So….. what happens when the money from tax receipts runs out?
Even if you don’t have numbers, it’s kinda simple, really.
But you sound like ‘well, money keeps coming in forever, so what’s the problem?”
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
6:06 pm
Just because the government is shut down does not mean that revenues do not continue coming in. There would be enough money coming in to pay for the debt and the defense, VA, SS and Medicare, Judicial branch. The rest of the Federal government can just go away and never re open.
You know I really worry about you “I hate the government” people. Where does your hatred of the government lead to? What happens to people like you?
(Female) Cop-Killer Executed in Alabama
(AP) ^ | DAVE BRYAN
Posted on Friday, May 10, 2002 1:58:19 AM by Dallas
ATMORE, Ala. —
Lynda Lyon Block, A political extremist convicted of murdering a policeman in 1993 was put to death in the electric chair Friday, becoming the first woman executed in Alabama in 45 years.
Lynda Lyon Block declined to pursue final appeals late Thursday, claiming the courts were corrupt and lacked jurisdiction in her case. She was put to death shortly after midnight.
Among Lynda’s “extreme political views” were that the Constitution and constitutional statutes should be regarded as law in the courts; that resistance to false arrest is lawful; and that defense of self or of another, who is believed to be under unlawful threat of deadly force, by the use of deadly force – even if the assailant is a policeman – is lawful.
Her husband’s Obit for his wife:
In February of 1991 Lynda had met me when she joined the Libertarian Party, and we became friends, discovering many shared, and complimentary traits
Together we studied the Constitution and laws and discovered the devices used to deceive Americans into surrendering freedom.
While we were in Opelika, Alabama on October 4, 1993 Lynda came to my defense when an attempted false arrest by a city policeman, who first reached for his gun, turned into a gunfight between him and me.
She was murdered by barbarians because she knew too much about their conspiracy to enslave and loot Americans, because she dared to engage in combat – successfully – with one of their enforcers while defending me and her son, and because she refused to apologize for her actions. Lynda conducted herself heroically and with dignity to the very end, and deserves to be remembered as a hero.
George Everette Sibley
August 2002
Moral of the story? — Well, if you live your life like the government is the enemy and is out to get you, then they probably will
Just saying…….
Shout out to – David Koresh, Tim McVeigh, John Brown, Jim Jones.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
6:07 pm
Looks like some of our conned are worried about women in the administration meeting their unstated “quota” mentality. Who was it that objected to Susan Rice? Who was it that objected to Elizabeth Warren? Perhaps he intends to appoint another female Supreme Court Justice.
The Fox 1,000 points of stupidity claims are strong with our conned.
GT
January 14th, 2013
6:07 pm
td nothing on Wall Street has changed because they were bailed out, bailed out a freak of nature not made to last in a real economy and the practice is causes every bit as much damage as anything the government is doing. Wall Street is an antiquated vehicle for distribution of capital, slowly loosing it position of power to other money centers. We need smaller hungrier banks, which take risk but if they lose do not take the world with them.
JohnnyReb
January 14th, 2013
6:08 pm
So I am unwilling to address such things as the possibility of the government shutting down. No, but why get into the mess? The issue is making Obama come to the table for compromise on spending cuts. If the government shuts down, it will little Barry’s fault although the Left and media will protect him by pointing fingers at the Republicans.
I ask, who has been saying he will not talk about the debit ceiling for months? Obama.
He’s an embarrassment, not a leader and hell bent on spending us into collapse.
I am more fearful of Republicans backing down than I am the government shutting down.
BTW, why is it the Left never considers the credit rating can be cut for not addressing the deficit as easily as not extending the debt ceiling?
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
6:08 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
5:20 pm
CHRYSLER TO BUILD JEEPS IN CHINA, RUSSIA…
drudgey spam.
Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said the automaker plans to build some Jeeps in China for the local market — and later, in Russia.
“As part of our global expansion of the Jeep brand, there are some cars — that because of the price position in the market — can never be made in the U.S. and exported,” Marchionne told reporters on the sidelines of the North American International Auto Show. “We’re going to be announcing the first step in the globalization of Jeep (in China). There’s another one that’s going to come in Russia. These things are part of a natural process of expansion.”
Ooops!
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:08 pm
td
“LMFAO. You are deflecting ”
Does this mean you’re going to get specific on answering the questions I asked that were directly based on what you posted?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:09 pm
Oscar
January 14th, 2013
6:05 pm
Someone tell Adam that when the govt sells bonds it is borrowing money. A bond is a debt instrument. Like he ones we sold to China to fiance the war we are fighting now and the one in Iraq.
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You also need a better understanding of the bond issue Oscar. We didn’t “sell” China bonds. They decided to buy them. A bond isn’t’ a secured debt like a mortgage, it’s an unsecured debt where the one doing the buying is betting that not only will they get paid back, but also that they will get interest. There is no guarantee of either.
What happens if we tell China to go screw themselves? What happens if we close out borders to China’s goods for 1 month? Which do you think would bankrupt China? I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t the bonds………
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:09 pm
Oscar: It was borrowing money yes, but it’s still funding.
Nduka
January 14th, 2013
6:09 pm
They always approve the new debt ceiling. We’ve been down this same road many times. Now that the “fiscal cliff” drama has come and gone the media will try to hold our attention with debt ceiling suspense.
td
January 14th, 2013
6:09 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:01 pm
td
January 14th, 2013
5:56 pm
You do not declare party affiliation in Georgia when you register to vote. Either you are do not live in Georgia or you are an out of state poster on these boards.
Should have read Either you are not registered in Georgia you are an out of state poster on these boards>
Does that make you feel better.
BTW: Huge difference between reading comprehension and proof reading prior to a post.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:10 pm
Fred: If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.
I’m not a far left wing lunatic though. That’s just something you made up in your head. You have attributed it to things that would be called Republican 30 years ago.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
6:10 pm
td — “LMFAO. You are deflecting harder then I have ever seen a progressive deflect.”
You’re not seeing it at all because it’s not taking place. You’re simply not getting it.
“The Republicans have done their job on the budget”
Nope.
“and appropriation bills”
Nope.
“and the Dems in the Senate have not done their job.”
I’ll explain it once again, since you seem slow on the uptake.
If the House presents demanding, unreasonable and patently unreasonable legislation to the Senate, then they have no reasonable expectation of that legislation getting due deliberation and consideration. And Adam’s even explained that to you two or three times in the last half-hour or so. The House sent crap legislation to the Senate and the Senate bodyslammed it in short order with a fat NO vote.
Result: ball back in House’s court.
Pay closer attention.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
6:11 pm
Danggit Joe…. now they are going to demand a photo ID to post.
Because of course, the AJC is only for Georgians just like the WSJ is only for Wall Street NY’ers. 
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:11 pm
td: I do post from out of state. And as Fred has mentioned I already said, MANY TIMES that I don’t live in Georgia.
By the way, Go 49ers! (I don’t live in California either).
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
6:13 pm
Hey! All you Tuner Diaries readers, a relevant, accurate point was posted, but since it dealt with things like reality and truth, you probably missed it. Here it goes again, just in case you really wanna know…..
From Paul: and your unwillingness to examine those questions indicates you don’t want to jeopardize your antipathy towards Obama with any facts that would interfere with that.
Also that you recognize the arguments are bogus but they sounded good when you heard them so, hey, why not keep repeating them?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
6:13 pm
DIA — “Ooops!”
Didn’t mean to post that, did you?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:14 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:10 pm
Fred: If you are a “Republican” and NOT a far left wing fanatic then I am Charlie Chaplin.
I’m not a far left wing lunatic though. That’s just something you made up in your head. You have attributed it to things that would be called Republican 30 years ago.
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Yeah you are. Your stated positions are to the FAR left, not the moderate left. Deny it all you wish, but your words are here for us all to read. I know, Neal Boortz is REALLY a libertarian too………
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
6:14 pm
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:01 pm
Oh and by the way? Adam has said he doesn’t live here. Where he lives is a mystery. He won’t tell because he’s afraid someone here might find out what state and stalk the whole state until they find him lol. Hell, we aren’t even sure he lives in this COUNTRY.
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Fred, I think Adam lives in FL, and works in the petroleum industry.
He’s also a reg republician. Ask him, he’ll tell you.
Really.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
6:14 pm
KUTGF — “Danggit Joe…. now they are going to demand a photo ID to post. Because of course, the AJC is only for Georgians just like the WSJ is only for Wall Street NY’ers”
In that case, I look forward to seeing Bill Orvis White’s ID documents from The Mothership.
Oscar
January 14th, 2013
6:15 pm
Fred – The bonds we sell and the Chinese buy are short term bonds. If we didn’t renew thm or py th in terst when due our credit rating would go down the drain. And we could not ll any more bonds – could not borrow ny more money. Bankruptcy.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:17 pm
Oh and Lil Adam? 30years ago Republicans weren’t for taking all guns away from folks like you are. 30 years ago Republicans didn’t believe this made up BS that Global Warming is all man made like you do. I could go on but it’s pointless.
The only thing worse than a fanatic is one who isn’t intellectually honest about their fanaticism.
I’m a hard core INDEPENDENT. I admit it.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
6:17 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
5:36 pm
DownInAlbany: The republicans say, pay it’s bills“NO, the United States should NOT
Link please
Here ya go: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/behind-the-curtain-house-gop-eyes-default-shutdown-86116.html?hp=t1
I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:18 pm
Where is O’bozo’s plan to address our fiscal problems? Or do we have one?
He got his tax increase on the undeserving ingrates didn’t he? I thought that would fix everything, but it didn’t.
Shocked, I am.
Since we don’t have a spending problem, according to him, how do we close the gap between spending and revenues?
Oscar
January 14th, 2013
6:19 pm
Adam = Then the war in Iraq and Afgn were also funded by selling bonds. Most of the bonds sold to Americans, but some to China and oth countries. About 20 per cent of out debt is held outsied the country. The rest is internal debt.
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:19 pm
DownInAlbany
“I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”
What does ‘default’ (used several times in the link) mean to you?
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:19 pm
Oscar, PROOF READ BROTHER lol.
THe Chinese have DELIBERATELY bought as many of our bonds as possible on the open market. They are now limited. If we stiff the, what happens? They short sell those bonds to others whom we DO pay.
No bankruptcy. A crappy thing to do? Sure. But no worse than the way we screwed the Japanese in the 80’s…….. they STILL haven’t fully recovered from that.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
6:20 pm
The issue is making Obama come to the table for compromise on spending cuts. If the government shuts down, it will little Barry’s fault although the Left and media will protect him by pointing fingers at the Republicans
Oh ye of the small attention span……
Obama has already agreed to THREE spending cuts compared to the republicans agreeing to ONE revenue adjustment.
First cut was when the GOP took the house in 2010…
Second cut was when the GOP held the country hostage with the FIRST debt ceiling talks…
And
THIRD cut was just a few days ago — called the Fiscal CLiff compromise…
For the repubictards to demand MORE cuts yet won’t raise the tax responsibility significantly on the 1% is just ridiculous. And for the republicly CONNED to repeat that madness is utterly stupid.
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:21 pm
Sinkwich
“I thought that would fix everything, but it didn’t.”
Have you not been paying attention, again ?!!?
“Since we don’t have a spending problem, according to him”
Then why on earth has he repeatedly said we need entitlement reform?!!?
getalife
January 14th, 2013
6:22 pm
The gop act like the enemy so I will call them aq.
Fred ™
January 14th, 2013
6:22 pm
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:18 pm
Where is O’bozo’s plan to address our fiscal problems? Or do we have one?
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Who the f is “Obozo” you rude person? If you don’t respect our Country why should others? Does it make you feel powerful and strong to belittle a man who is so far above you ion power and importance that he will never even know you are doing it?
How sad and pathetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljQMpgVY5mg&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=61
Mick
January 14th, 2013
6:23 pm
reb
The legislative branch is responsible to pay the bills not the executive, they hold the purse strings and that’s a fact. Obama told it like it is today which caused a total brain fart of responses from the conned. I have to admit, the disconnect is…well…astounding!!!
JohnnyReb
January 14th, 2013
6:23 pm
If Republicans did not force Obama to discuss spending cuts, just what do Moonbats think will happen to reduce the debt?
I think the projections are Obama will add another 4 Trillion by the end of his second term. He has to be stopped.
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:23 pm
“The issue is making Obama come to the table for compromise on spending cuts.”
All you who keep posting this: you DO realize what you’re saying is CURRENT FISCAL YEAR cuts, don’t you?
Or, if that’s not what you mean, you are saying you’re willing to let the deficit run as projected this fiscal year?
And pretty much for the next?
And the next?
Else, just when are these big cuts you say Republicans want, going to occur, hmmmmm?
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:26 pm
JohnnyReb 6:23
I must’ve missed it.
HOW much do Republicans want to cut this fiscal year?
and NEXT fiscal year?
They’re the ones with the proposals from the leadership, right? So the numbers oughta be easy to show, right?
’cause last I heard, Boehner and McConnell kept repeating ‘it’s up to the president to come up with cuts.”
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:26 pm
“Then why on earth has he repeatedly said we need entitlement reform?!!?”
Sweet.
What’s his proposal?
Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t have one.
Just BS words for his lapdogs to suck up.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
6:28 pm
“He has to be stopped.”
Yup, sounds like the terrorists.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
6:28 pm
If Republicans did not force Obama to discuss spending cuts, just what do Moonbats think will happen to reduce the debt?
Deflecturbation. 15 yard penalty, loss of down. (thanks stands!
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I think the projections are Obama will add another 4 Trillion by the end of his second term. He has to be stopped.
Idiotic parrot prattle — Foul! and a red card!
Deflecturbation AND parrot prattle all in one post. Must be a full moon tonight…..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
6:28 pm
I think the projections are Obama will add another 4 Trillion by the end of his second term. He has to be stopped
Ahh the mindless regurgitation of Fox.
Absolutely NOT. Any amount ADDED to the debt is because CONGRESS approved prior spending and because we are recovering from the 2008 recession.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
6:29 pm
Paul
January 14th, 2013
6:19 pm
DownInAlbany
“I sped read it a couple of times and didn’t find “NO, the United States should NOT”
What does ‘default’ (used several times in the link) mean to you?
If you will notice, this statement was in quotation marks, indicating a direct quote by the person being referenced. It was a lib talking point or a lie. Or both?
Mick
January 14th, 2013
6:29 pm
**I think the projections are Obama will add another 4 Trillion by the end of his second term. He has to be stopped**
Let’s try this again, if obama “spent” anything, it was his first two years when he had the house and senate. The past two years he has spent bupkis. The overwhelming amount of debt was created BEFORE he took office! Congress appropriates money NOT the president. That’s an important point; please feel free to ponder it…
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:30 pm
“Who the f is “Obozo” you rude person?”
Hi, Freddie.
O’bozo is Barry the Wonderful.
Thanks for asking.
Jay
January 14th, 2013
6:31 pm
“As has been mentioned in previous comments to this blog, ours is a President who has sent one budget to the Senate in four years.
As has been mentioned in previous comments, that is complete BS. Ours is a president who has submitted a budget to Congress every single year that he has been in office.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
6:33 pm
Jay
January 14th, 2013
6:31 pm
How many of these budgets were passed by the democratic controlled Senate?
Uh Huh.....House GOP Is Hellbound
January 14th, 2013
6:33 pm
“I think it is possible that we would shut down the government to make sure President Obama understands that we’re serious,” House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington state told us.
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They are NOT hurting Obama…….
They are HURTING YOU and YOUR MAMA.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
6:33 pm
aq are still fixated on getting our President.
This helps our country marginalize aq.
There are consequences for their actions.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
January 14th, 2013
6:35 pm
The gop act like the enemy so I will call them aq.
They’re all mad. Ignorant, stoopid, xenophobic, oligarcharists, misogynistic, madmen.
AGAIN:
Obama has already agreed to THREE spending cuts compared to the republicans agreeing to ONE revenue adjustment.
First cut was when the GOP took the house in 2010…
Second cut was when the GOP held the country hostage with the FIRST debt ceiling talks…
And
THIRD cut was just a few days ago — called the Fiscal CLiff compromise…
When are the moronic republicans gonna come to the table with something other than petulant whines and temper tantrums?
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
6:35 pm
“Any amount ADDED to the debt is because CONGRESS approved prior spending and because we are recovering from the 2008 recession.”
So O’bozo has absolutely no responsibility to try to fix our financial problems.
Got it.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:37 pm
DownInAlbany: Yeah, and you won’t find the phrase “separation of church and state” in the Constitution either, but the intent is there. Same as the intent to default, which means “no we will not pay our bills.”
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:37 pm
Fred: Yeah you are. Your stated positions are to the FAR left, not the moderate left. Deny it all you wish, but your words are here for us all to read. I know, Neal Boortz is REALLY a libertarian too………
Cite me.
I’ll wait.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:37 pm
TBG: I don’t live in Florida, but I do work in the petroleum industry. Have Jay backtrace my IP from earlier today if you don’t believe me.
JohnnyReb
January 14th, 2013
6:39 pm
“Ours is a president who has submitted a budget to Congress every single year that he has been in office.” – says Jay. And, he is correct.
However, none have been supported even by Democrats. Again, its smoke and mirrors. The money appropriated is larger because of some fluke in the base line.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
6:39 pm
Oscar: Then the war in Iraq and Afgn were also funded by selling bonds. Most of the bonds sold to Americans, but some to China and oth countries. About 20 per cent of out debt is held outsied the country. The rest is internal debt.
The war bonds of the time were specific. The bonds sold during the past 12 years, except for QE related to the recession, were regular business.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 14th, 2013
6:40 pm
Well, I’ve done some figuring. If every single federal worker was fired, that would make up 7% of the annual budget. If they fired the military along with civilian federal workers they could make up almost 14% of the annual budget. We’d only have about 26% more to go to get a balanced budget.
Anyhow, I think the federal workers will take it in the shorts for voting for Obama. So they can go ahead and bend over that table now. And this time they won’t get make-up pay when the guvmint shuts down and later re-opens. I say, heck, why fiddle around by not giving them pay raises and making them pay more for their retirement and such. Let’s go after the whole shebang and take a big chunk of their yearly pay.
But there better be somebody there to take my call when I need to call somebody about my benefits.
JohnnyReb
January 14th, 2013
6:41 pm
There are loads of reports that the only legitimate cut in the deficit is the 600 bil over ten years from raping the rich. The rest is Obama smoke and mirrors.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 14th, 2013
6:41 pm
Let’s be clear. Obama and all DEMS, LIBS, Progressives, people with brains, and anyone not crazy understands the idiot Republicans are “serious” about their pout but not really about the debt. Romney and the Republicans wanted to spend more on the military, they want to cut the savings in Obamacare. So let’s be clear. You are serious about your pout. You are NOT serious about cutting the deficit and the stupidity of shutting down this country will actually COST US MORE.