House GOP still hellbent on debt-ceiling showdown
The juxtaposition here is telling.
First, from Politico, an explanation of how House Republicans and their leaders are approaching the issue of a looming showdown over the debt ceiling:
“I think it is possible that we would shut down the government to make sure President Obama understands that we’re serious,” House Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington state told us. “We always talk about whether or not we’re going to kick the can down the road. I think the mood is that we’ve come to the end of the road.”
Republican leadership officials, in a series of private meetings and conversations this past week, warned that the White House, much less the broader public, doesn’t understand how hard it will be to talk restive conservatives off the fiscal ledge. To the vast majority of House Republicans, it is far riskier long term to pile up new debt than it is to test the market and economic reaction of default or closing down the government.
GOP officials said more than half of their members are prepared to allow default unless Obama agrees to dramatic cuts he has repeatedly said he opposes. Many more members, including some party leaders, are prepared to shut down the government to make their point. House Speaker John Boehner “may need a shutdown just to get it out of their system,” said a top GOP leadership adviser. “We might need to do that for member-management purposes — so they have an endgame and can show their constituents they’re fighting.”
That’s right: By the admission of top GOP officials, internal party “member-management purposes” may require them to force a shutdown of the U.S. government. Furthermore, House Republicans are out of the speaker’s control and even more intransigent than understood by the White House and the general public, which already believes them to be extremist.
Now contrast that with President Obama’s statements today at a White House press conference to close his first four-year term:
“America cannot afford another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they’ve already racked up. If congressional Republicans refuse to pay America’s bills on time, Social Security checks, and veterans benefits will be delayed.
We might not be able to pay our troops, or honor our contracts with small business owners. Food inspectors, air traffic controllers, specialists who track down loose nuclear materials wouldn’t get their paychecks. Investors around the world will ask if the United States of America is in fact a safe bet. Markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. Every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business owner who wants to grow and hire.
It would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. It would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession. And ironically it would probably increase our deficit. So to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the United States of America not paying its bills, is irresponsible. It’s absurd….
Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy. The financial well-being of the American people is not leverage to be used. The full faith and credit of the United States of America is not a bargaining chip.”
In the weeks ahead, the American people will have to decide which of those two narratives they find more appealing, patriotic and rational. But the GOP has already made its choice. They continue to insist, publicly and apparently in private conversations among themselves, that it’s “damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead” toward a government shutdown. Having whipped themselves into a fervor, convinced of the holiness of their mission, they will not be dissuaded from carrying it out.
The rest of us are just along for the ride.
– Jay Bookman
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Lord Help Us
January 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
They’ve lost their minds…
Lord Help Us
January 14th, 2013
2:44 pm
News flash to the GOP. Holding our economy hostage is NOT governing.
Your own policies and inability to govern got us here. Recommit to competent governing and hopefully, we will slowly turn toward a practical path.
The banana republic crap is very unbecoming…
Mick
January 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
Just like feeding bears in the wild, it is dangerous to have republicans in control of the house. We need to finish the job in 2014 for complete extermination of this toxic ideology…
East Lake Ira
January 14th, 2013
2:47 pm
Move 401K assets to cash ASAP.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
2:47 pm
Welchers, moochers and no personal responsibility to pay their bills.
They can’t even cut welfare for corps that do not need it like big oil.
That is not serious so why take the gop seriously.
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
Usually after an action described as “hell bent”….there is hell to pay.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
If the VA and SS checks don’t go out there will be space
available for at least one new party in the US of A.
Patrick
January 14th, 2013
2:50 pm
But shutting down the government worked out se well for the GOP the last time they did it!!
Just ask Newt Gingrich!
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:50 pm
Budget?
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:53 pm
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:50 pm
Budget?
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Hertz?
Enterprise?
National?
Avis?
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
All appropriations begin in the House of Representatives, then they
put a ceiling on how much the government can owe and when they
appropriate too much they refuse to raise the ceiling to pay what
they appropriated and call this fiscal conservatism.
Road Scholar
January 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
How about an executive order cancelling Congress’s pay and benefits? Let them see what it is like! Freeze their assets since most are millionaires.Then cut defense.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
2:56 pm
U Haul ?
getalife
January 14th, 2013
2:56 pm
We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Mick
January 14th, 2013
2:56 pm
granny
I prefer thrifty myself…
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
January 14th, 2013
2:56 pm
member-management purposes
Is that what they are calling a lobotomy these days?
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:57 pm
Were any of you folks ‘kinda hard on Bush when he favored raising the debt limit?
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
2:57 pm
Dollar?
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
2:57 pm
Mick
Forgot about them….
Thulsa Doom
January 14th, 2013
2:58 pm
So what was that that Obama said in 08 about runaway deficit spending being UNAmerican. That it was unpatriotic to use a credit card from the bank of China? He and the dims don’t give a damn about bankrupting the nation. They could care less.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:58 pm
2 serious questions:
Are republicians the ONLY party that has resisted raising the “debt ceiling”?
Has the “debt ceiling” ever *NOT* been raised when needed?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
January 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
TBG
1) Yes
2) No
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Those with the most to lose will lose the most.
That Black Guy
January 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Lord Help Us
January 14th, 2013
2:44 pm
The banana republic crap is very unbecoming…
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I don’t know about that…
They do have some nice shirts and shorts.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
3:00 pm
doomy cheered on w blowing out the deficit then flipped flopped.
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
3:00 pm
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
2:57 pm
Were any of you folks ‘kinda hard on Bush when he favored raising the debt limit?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022173420
A funny.
Mick
January 14th, 2013
3:02 pm
doom
Please…you have more sense than that, the republicans in the house are insane about the debt ceiling, it accomplishes nothing to default. That’s their strategy! Weak and near sighted, plus an epic fail – they are a joke..
As far as ND getting blown out by the tide, I predicted that outcome the day before the game, just ask brosephus. Down here, both teams are not very popular, so it was the lesser of two evils…
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
3:04 pm
“Forgot about them….”
Yeah, Granny don’t use no stinkin’ cheap rides.
Executive Limo for ALL!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
3:04 pm
Section Four of the Fourteenth Amendment states, at its outset, that “[t]he validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”
To not raise the debt ceiling would be an act of Treason.
The penalty.
Death by firing squad.
JB
January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
@DownInAlbany: Were you hard on democrats led by obama when they opposed raising the debt ceiling?
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.
Spread the word.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?
If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
Can we make a ‘citizen’s arrest of Congressional Republicans? On treason charges. Or just for “protective custody” to prevent them from hurting themselves.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
member-management purposes
Party before country.
There’s your sign.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?
Wow, the stupid burns here again.
The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act. Congress has refused to pass it. So what?
Keith
January 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
Bookman, remind everyone what Obama said in the Senate when President Bush wanted to raise the debt limit. Or are you a coward? Show us how brave you are.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
Budgets are for sissies.
moonbat betty
January 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
and cheapskates
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
Down here, both teams are not very popular, so it was the lesser of two evils…
Nick Saban is very unpopular down there.
He lied and ran the Dolphins into the ground. Had a chance to pick up Drew Brees but didn’t.
He basically bungled the whole thing. Definitely not a good pro coach.
He couldn’t cut it in the big boy league.
There were memos passed around when he first took the job.
You were not allowed to make direct eye contact with Mr Saban.
Do not speak to Mr Saban if he doesn’t not speak to you first.
Real little dictator kind of stuff.
He does the same at Alabama. But they are winning and that all that matters to the trailer park bama fans who couldn’t find Tuscaloosa on a map.
Recon 0311 2533
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
Obama’s repeating once again this stupid canard about House Republicans refusing to pay America’s bills. We can still pay America’s bills even if we don’t raise the debt ceiling it would only mean the Democrats would have less money to spend. A dollar for dollar reduction in spending for each dollar increase is a sound approach. The greatest danger to the American people is the national debt and all this poor excuse for an American president can do is pick fights with Republicans and focus his attention on gun control. Outrageous.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
3:00 pm
When the shoe fits, wear it. But, of course, the cartoon could just as well have a donkey in it! Agreed?
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
I know you don’t have to guess who is quoted here?
Keith
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act. Congress has refused to pass it. So what?
The only budget I can recall Obama presenting was defeated with a single vote for it. Other than that where are his budgets?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
White House to miss budget deadline; Breaks law…
drudgey spam.
barking frog
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
Mick
From your link from yesterday, it seems Dave Barry has invented
the Pythong.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
Keith: I don’t suppose you know that Obama admitted his ONE debt ceiling vote was a mistake do you?
USA Patriot
January 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. …Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here’. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
Seriously Folks
January 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
Hmmm…lets see…The Goldman Sachs, Chase’s and BofA’s of the world seemed to make a KILLING last time they bet on the housing “crash”…wonder what is whirring around in the back rooms and then onto their paid employees in Congress (BOTH sides of the aisle) about an apparent “debt limit debate”…ugh the thought
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?
If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?
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Holy Poop, This again?
The President has done his duty and presented his budget on time every year.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:12 pm
Keith/Mystery Meat: The only budget I can recall Obama presenting was defeated with a single vote for it. Other than that where are his budgets?
He’s presented one every year, and they have never actually been voted on. The one time they came close it was a symbolic vote on what the presented wanted to do, without providing any appropriations. Which means it wasn’t a budget bill. The others were tacked on as amendments to other things and stripped of a good portion of what was sent to them.
Georgia , The "New Mississippi"
January 14th, 2013
3:13 pm
GOP Johnny Reb Economics…………….teach President Obama a lesson by defaulting on America’s debt obligations which increases the cost to borrow any money in the future , triggers the across the board spending cuts they delayed for two months , puts the country back into recession mode and may cause a global economic crisis. The midterm elections can’t get here soon enough.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:14 pm
From that bastion of liberalism, The Examiner:
http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-admits-his-2006-debt-ceiling-vote-was-a-mistake-video
President Obama admits his 2006 debt ceiling vote was a mistake (Video)
After helping negotiate a key compromise to help avert a government shutdown last week, the Obama administration is now moving on to the impending debt ceiling issue. However, the Obama administration is running into some early resistance from Republicans who are demanding more concessions before agreeing to raise the debt limit. Some conservatives have noted that then-Senator Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006 to bolster their argument. In an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC President Obama admitted that his 2006 vote was a mistake, and that it was motivated by politics rather than what was best for the country at the time.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:14 pm
But I don’t suppose my posting that will have any effect on the talking point repeaters now will it?
Keith
January 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
I really doubt Bookman will want to discuss obamas statements on the debt ceiling when he was a Senator. Back then obmama was calling it a failure in leadership. So according to Senator Obama, President Obama is a failure as a leader. But dont expect any integrity from the likes of Jay Bookman on this issue.
southpaw
January 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
“Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly, and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly…”
And running up more debt is acting responsibly?
(Turn on irony meter)
Maybe we should mint something better than trillion dollar coins. How about a quadrillion or quintillion dollar coin? We won’t have to worry about paying the debt for decades, if not centuries.
(Turn off irony meter)
And don’t bother lecturing me about reductio ad absurdium. The trillion dollar coin idea was ridiculous even before I upped the ante.
MANGLER
January 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
Thusla,
The debt is money already spent, not upcoming budget items. That’s the deficit – I realize the words sound similar, but they mean two different things. It’s one thing to spit and yell about money you haven’t spent. It’s another thing completely for the nation to not pay debt it’s already incurred. Unless you don’t see the difference, or care about the difference.
You don’t pay for your furniture, TV, car, or house, and “they” take it back. Something unpleasant will be taken away if we don’t honor the debt.
Recon 0311 2533
January 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
The President has done his duty and presented his budget on time every year.
But nothing that can even pass the Senate and he knows it.
F. Sinkwich
January 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
“GOP officials said more than half of their members are prepared to allow default unless Obama agrees to dramatic cuts he has repeatedly said he opposes.”
I am proud there are so many willing to stand up to O’bozo and his radical euro-socialist policies designed to crater this great country, an objective he’s had since he was first tutored by his commie, America-hating parents.
It is sad, however, that the quorum isn’t larger.
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act.
The White House has informed House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that it will miss the legal deadline for sending a budget to Congress.
Congress has refused to pass it. So what?
I guess you are referring to the budget(s) that failed to garner one single solitary vote in the Dem controlled Senate? That “budget?”
Jefferson
January 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
Raise revenue, we didn’t have a spending problem until they started cutting taxes. We went to the moon back then, the scared and the greedy, the GOP.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 14th, 2013
3:17 pm
DIA — “If we could get a budget in place, perhaps, we could begin to reign in the out-of-control spending? Maybe?”
I don’t have a problem with reining in spending. But this isn’t the way to get it done.
There have already been significant cuts made, and significant job reductions at the Federals level. And I freely acknowledge that more cuts and more reductions need to be made. But this isn’t the way to get it done.
Congress isn’t threatening to withhold the President’s paycheck — they’re threatening to harm many, many Americans who rely on the Federal government for their income — whether they work for the government, provide goods and/or services to the government or simply receive some sort of retirement or other benefits. It’s a hold-our-breath-until-the-GOP-turns-blue thing, and it’s not only juvenile and foolish, it’s potentially dangerous for the economy. We don’t need another credit downgrade just to get the GOP rank-and-file in line.
The President is right — the GOP’s going to bear responsibility for any shutdown and any lasting damage from it. So what’s called for now is a little country-before-party statesmanship on the part of Congressional Republicans. Because, quite frankly, if y’all think this kind of brinksmanship is useful for the purpose of getting your membership all on the same page, then frankly, y’all don’t need to be *in* Congress at all IMO. If it takes this kind of hissy-fit kabuki theater to make your membership happy, then I think y’all deserve a good solid whipping with a leather belt, and to be sent to bed without supper — ‘Cause that ain’t what y’all are sent to Washington and PAID to do.
You’re there to do the nation’s business. Now get off your duffs and DO IT, MFers.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 14th, 2013
3:17 pm
But I don’t suppose my posting that will have any effect on the talking point repeaters now will it?
No it wont.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
3:17 pm
(Turn on irony meter)
Maybe we should mint something better than trillion dollar coins.
Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddd, I quit reading.
Regnad Kcin
January 14th, 2013
3:18 pm
“But nothing that can even pass the Senate and he knows it.”
So? He is required to present a budget, and he did. So what’s your beef?
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
3:18 pm
USA Patriot
January 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
Don’t count on getting any sort of acknowledgement of anything BO did or didn’t do or say…at least not on this site. By most on this forum, BO has never and never will do wrong.
Yes, he has many, many instances on saying one thing and doing another…remember “the days of lobbyist controlling the DC agenda are over…”?
Leadership as a commodity in DC is at record low levels..WH and Congress..
DownInAlbany
January 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
Holy Poop, This again?
The truth NEVER goes away!
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
The White House has informed House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) that it will miss the legal deadline for sending a budget to Congress.
Move the goalposts much? First it’s “he’s never done it”, now we’re falling back to “he was a little late”?
Stupid.
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
southpaw: And running up more debt is acting responsibly?
(trip the clueless meter)
Hey genius, what happens if you raise the debt ceiling and appropriate no more money, both Congressional actions?
Answer that and you’ll finally realize the debt ceiling isn’t what you think it is.
Recon 0311 2533
January 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
The debt is money already spent, not upcoming budget items.
Are you talking about paying down national debt or only paying the interest on the debt?
Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
Keith
that one vote budget story……tee hee hee
was a GOP stunt
Best you should upgrade your info sources….
too funny…
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:20 pm
Hey Keith/Mystery Meat: Guess what? You can’t goad Jay into responding to you. Besides, I answered your stupidity above.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
The obvious “out” is for the Fed to expand the money supply under another QE round and use that money to buy up US Treasuries, thereby shrinking the debt, and then turn around to re-sell the bonds to fund the government. No platinum coin needed at this point, we debase the currency regularly this way.
Keith
January 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
Obama admitted that his 2006 vote was a mistake, and that it was motivated by politics rather than what was best for the country at the time.
So is he doing it again this time. Putting politics ahead of whats best for the country? Of course he is. But liberals with no integrity like Bookman will never call him on it.
southpaw
January 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
So let me get this straight–
The Administration boots a preacher from the upcoming inauguration for comments from 15-20 years ago, and the President doesn’t think there should be consequences for his remarks from only 7 years ago? I can’t help but wonder if that vote became a mistake only because President Obama started wanting to do the same thing President Bush had done. Does emulating President Bush count as “evolving?”
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:22 pm
I guess you are referring to the budget(s) that failed to garner one single solitary vote in the Dem controlled Senate? That “budget?”
Asked and answered. Obama’s budgets have never been voted on. See an above post for why this is the case.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
3:23 pm
JOE,
Its too bad that once again, blame is all that matters to this adminstration. It doesn’t matter to me. They are all children who combined to shatter the coffee table…and continue to make great strides to ensure no quality furniture stays in the living room…solution? Lay blame….does the GOP act in obstanite fashion? Yes. Does WH and DEM congress folks offer any reason for GOP to trust them? NO
All children.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:23 pm
It’s not a requirement for the President’s budget to be put up for a vote. It’s just a requirement that he convey their spending needs and priorities to Congress by a certain day of the year.
As I asked before: So what?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:23 pm
Keith: So is he doing it again this time. Putting politics ahead of whats best for the country? Of course he is.
Which makes no sense. He opposed it when he was a Senator for political reasons, now he is FOR it as a President only for political reasons? Only your warped GOP apologist mentality can create something THAT dumb.
southpaw
January 14th, 2013
3:23 pm
Hey genius, what happens if you raise the debt ceiling and appropriate no more money, both Congressional actions?
You waste your time. Hey, government is good at wasting money; why not waste some time along with it?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:24 pm
southpaw: You waste your time. Hey, government is good at wasting money; why not waste some time along with it?
Figures. You won’t even put any intellectual energy into it.
Jerome Horwitz
January 14th, 2013
3:24 pm
Both sides have played the political game with the debt ceiling, so plenty of blame to go around. However, the Dems did their posturing and then went on their merry way. They didn’t shut to whole thing down.
td
January 14th, 2013
3:25 pm
ByteMe – Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 requires that the President present a budget to Congress. Are you going to hold Obama accountable for that when he misses the dead line, again?
Wow, the stupid burns here again.
The president has presented a budget to congress every year he’s been in office, thereby fulfilling his legal requirements under the Act. Congress has refused to pass it. So what?
And said budget has been voted down the past two years by every Republican and EVERY Democrat in Congress.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:26 pm
So when the government runs out of money and Obama says “halt all social security and veterens benefit and military pay checks until further notice”… which Party’s constituency gets hurt worse?
Pass the popcorn. The Republicans are threatening to blow up their own base.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
3:26 pm
So let me get this straight–
Everyone who has posted those six words here has failed to get” anything “straight.”
The record remains unbroken.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
3:27 pm
The President sends a budget proposal and the house failed to do their job on the budget.
cons are dead wrong as usual.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
3:27 pm
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:20 pm
So at what point do we slow spending what we’ve already spent? That seems to be the justification for not becoming a deadbeat? Seems wer are on our way to that label is someone with courage arrives on the scene.
At what level of total debt and annual interest expense do we endure before you get nervous Adam?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:28 pm
Again, td, SO WHAT?
Budgets are plans, not appropriations. Appropriations are what get spent. Republicans have passed all those bills just fine. You complaining about plans that get voted down or money actually spent that wasn’t collected as revenue?
Or can you not get any of this straight in your head?
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:28 pm
However, the Dems did their posturing and then went on their merry way. They didn’t shut to whole thing down
THIS
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:29 pm
At what level of total debt and annual interest expense do we endure before you get nervous Adam?
Long before Cheney said “Deficits don’t matter”.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 14th, 2013
3:29 pm
Welchers, moochers and no personal responsibility to pay their bills.
Careful, there, young feller, or you’ll hurt somebody”s feelings on this blog—you know, the guy that made a bet, then lost and refused to pay up.
Anyhow, seeing as how we’re headed for another collapse when the guvmint shuts down again, I thought I’d remind everybody here to drink plenty of beer before and after it happens. My 401k is safe but some of you are going to turning the sofa over, looking for pocket change.
This warning is just a public service. It has nothing to do with the fact my 401k is invested in beer stocks. I just want y’all to be
good and drunkprepared for hard times. Besides, beer has plenty of them vitamins and stuff they say is good for you.Granny Godzilla
January 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
southpaw
January 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
So let me get this straight–
The Administration boots a preacher from the upcoming inauguration for comments from 15-20 years ago, and the President doesn’t think there should be consequences for his remarks from only 7 years ago? I can’t help but wonder if that vote became a mistake only because President Obama started wanting to do the same thing President Bush had done. Does emulating President Bush count as “evolving?”
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the fact that the homophobe is still a homophobe makes no difference to another homophobe.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
ByteMe – Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:26 pm
Who cares who gets the blame? The GOP will claim BO and BO will blame GOP…just like everything else…system completely dysfunctional..what should we expect?
USA Patriot
January 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
Stevie Ray 3:18 – “Leadership as a commodity in DC is at record low levels..WH and Congress..”
Very true, AND, very sad!
Adam
January 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
Stevie Ray: So at what point do we slow spending what we’ve already spent? That seems to be the justification for not becoming a deadbeat? Seems wer are on our way to that label is someone with courage arrives on the scene.
At what level of total debt and annual interest expense do we endure before you get nervous Adam?
To all of that I respond with just one question: Why tie it to something that has nothing to do with appropriating more money: The debt ceiling?
That’s rhetorical: The answer is politics. These people who are threatening this want to burn everything down.
I say let em. They will be the ones who suffer the consequences because Wall Street will not be happy with them, and they are smart enough to know it’s the Republicans’ fault, and they will come knocking with a bouncer and a bat and ask “What do I pay you for, huh?”
the anti-lib
January 14th, 2013
3:31 pm
I guess Obama has no skin in this fight according to the lib mind set. Jeez, the musings of liberal hack and his entourage of misinformed ideological hack miscreants.
getalife
January 14th, 2013
3:31 pm
The Dems could not stop w from blowing our surplus and blowing out the deficit.
The original tea party if you will .
Keith
January 14th, 2013
3:31 pm
of course obama says it was a mistake. everything is about politics to him. Bush wanted to raise the debt ceiling so he was against it. Now republicans dont want to raise the debt ceiling and he is for it.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 14th, 2013
3:32 pm
ByteMe – Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:29 pm
I don’t give a flip what Cheney said. It’s not remotely relevant to my quest…What is your number?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
January 14th, 2013
3:32 pm
Who cares who gets the blame? The GOP will claim BO and BO will blame GOP…just like everything else…system completely dysfunctional..what should we expect?
Then you don’t understand how politics and political parties work. Or maybe you just don’t like them, but they’ve been here for 225+ years, so complaining about it now is worthless.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 14th, 2013
3:32 pm
Hey Jerome
Jon Walters scored two own goals for us Saturday, and to add insult to injury in his 100th EPL game, he missed a PK.
Looks like you evil Red Devils are running away with it.
Dharma Bum
January 14th, 2013
3:32 pm
The louder the Dems scream that everything is the Reps fault, and vice versa, the more it becomes more clear that neither side has any real interest in responsibly running the country. EVERYTHING is the other side’s fault… EVERYONE on the other side is evil fascists/communists/socialists/nazis.
The only defense I ever hear for raising the debt ceiling is “…but…but…Bush did it!” as if that somehow makes it fine. It was wrong under the Bush administration, and it will continue to be wrong under the Obama administration.