I’m thinking that frog is just about boiled by now
I went out to bring in my newspaper this morning and thought I had been transported to south Florida. As I write, at 7:50 a.m. in the middle of January, it is 63 degrees outside.
And then of course there’s stuff like this:
A massive dust storm approaches the western coast of Australia by sea.
And that’s not all, not by a long shot:
WORCESTER, England — Britons may remember 2012 as the year the weather spun off its rails in a chaotic concoction of drought, deluge and flooding, but the unpredictability of it all turns out to have been all too predictable: Around the world, extreme has become the new commonplace.
Especially lately. China is enduring its coldest winter in nearly 30 years. Brazil is in the grip of a dreadful heat spell. Eastern Russia is so freezing — minus 50 degrees Fahrenheit, and counting — that the traffic lights recently stopped working in the city of Yakutsk.
Bush fires are raging across Australia, fueled by a record-shattering heat wave. Pakistan was inundated by unexpected flooding in September. A vicious storm bringing rain, snow and floods just struck the Middle East. And in the United States, scientists confirmed this week what people could have figured out simply by going outside: Last year was the hottest since records began.
“Each year we have extreme weather, but it’s unusual to have so many extreme events around the world at once,” said Omar Baddour, chief of the data management applications division at the World Meteorological Association, in Geneva. “The heat wave in Australia; the flooding in the U.K., and most recently the flooding and extensive snowstorm in the Middle East — it’s already a big year in terms of extreme weather calamity.”
Such events are increasing in intensity as well as frequency, Mr. Baddour said, a sign that climate change is not just about rising temperatures, but also about intense, unpleasant, anomalous weather of all kinds.
Palestinians in Hebron put the finishing touches on a snowman after record snowfalls hit the area. (AP)
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:26 am
but … but … but … dinosaurs! the earth has been here before! I don’t have to spend as much on heating!!!
I just thought I’d beat the stupid do the punch.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:27 am
ooooo … AND firsties!
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:28 am
The sky is actually falling.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:30 am
The implied stupidity of frogs is appalling.
saywhat?
January 11th, 2013
8:30 am
mother nature is orking us.
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 11th, 2013
8:31 am
USinUK – next it will be ‘God’s will’ or a punishment for something we’re doing that the extreme religious nuts can dream up.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:32 am
saywhat?
actually it is the cows..
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
8:32 am
from downstairs
What’s a cow orker?
Jay, ’twas stolen from an old Snopes online forum many moons ago.
Most get it, but for some it doe snot compute.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:33 am
Enact the carbon swapping, change this weather.
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
8:34 am
dinosaurs! the earth has been here before!
Yeah, that’s the kind of scientific brilliance we’ll be subjected to for the next couple of hours.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
8:34 am
Boiled frog is so damn rubbery.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
8:34 am
And now I am remembering that I had resolved not to intentionally misspell words. I guess “cow orker” and “doe snot” qualify, technically.
I hate New Year’s resolutions.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:35 am
Get Sonny Perdue on his knees again.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:36 am
Granny Godzilla
Serves you right.
Mick
January 11th, 2013
8:36 am
Miami report – summer weather with a nice breeze going on down here. the A/C went on the blink sunday, got it fixed immediately. At least the freakin humidity is low…
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
8:37 am
barking frog
I don’t mean to insult your species!
I myself am sensitive to dinosaur jokes, even though Godzilla is just my married name.
Jm
January 11th, 2013
8:37 am
I’m guessing that top photo is a fraud
Most photos like that end up being fakes
And one questions how a dust storm approaches the coast from the ocean
Or is there a dust bowl in the ocean now?
That said, climate change is real and needs addressing
Jm
January 11th, 2013
8:39 am
that snowman looks like Arafat
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:39 am
Granny Godzilla
Thanks, the humiliation is almost unbearable this morning
especially after that long ball thing yesterday.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:39 am
I’m guessing that top photo is a fraud
ohfercryingoutloud
http://media.komonews.com/images/110705_phoenix_dust_storm.jpg
right. it’s aaaaaaaaaaaaaall CGI
Jm
January 11th, 2013
8:39 am
“The implied stupidity of frogs is appalling.”
You picked your name silly.
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
8:41 am
Damn what the world’s experts all say!
Our esteemed Republican scientists here will tell you the real and convenient truth!
And lay off the amphibians! (grin) They are a critical component in the web of life…
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:41 am
Jm
that snowman looks like Arafat
…………………………………………..
seems there’s a muslim behind every post…
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:43 am
Jm
my name was given to me at birth…
hamiltonAZ
January 11th, 2013
8:43 am
All you folks in GA will have to study up on cactus landscaping. Oh, and forget the beautiful deciduous trees.
Or, maybe vote out the doubters and pick up a Thomas Friedman book.
F. Sinkwich
January 11th, 2013
8:44 am
Soooooo, what are Jay and his pinko parade whining about this morning? Global warming!
Kewl.
Lotsa weather observations with no facts about cause. But as we’ve learned all too well over the last four years, a crisis, real or perceived, is a terrible thing to waste, particularily if it can be used to extract treasure from the productive for transfer to the not-so-much.
To wit:
“Enact the carbon swapping, change this weather.”
Lib ilks are funny, but in a tragic sort of way.
Peadawg
January 11th, 2013
8:44 am
“a sign that climate change is not just about rising temperatures”
There we go changin’ it up again. The other day it was global warming. I just wish people would come to a consensus.
BTW that first picture is absolutely amazing.
Last thing – it’s cold in winter and hot in summer. DOH!
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:45 am
JamVet
amphibians are the prognosticators of climate change…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
8:45 am
but but but.. we the GOP conned don’t care about what happens to our children 100 years from now with the weather. We care about the deficit. This kind of weather thing isn’t going to cost us more money is it? It won’t cause disasters or droughts? Will my semi-automatic guns stop the weather tyranny! Freedom! [Oh we like the Red Dawn picture...that is what you are showing right Jay?]
DannyX
January 11th, 2013
8:46 am
This is liberal media nonsense.
I went to unskewedweather.com and got real weather reports.
Sydney 72 degrees
Atlanta 28 degrees
Mos cow 18 degrees
Rio de Janeiro 70 degrees
Hey all of you socialists, tune out your partisan liberal Weather Channel, all those tin foil hats they wear there are messing with their equipment!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:47 am
“Lib ilks are funny, but in a tragic sort of way.”
I say that we make numpties like FSink pay the increased food cost (rather than those of us who are trying to DO something to stop global warming) since they’re SOOOOOOOOO sure that humans have nothing to do with climate change –
put your money where your pie hole is.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:48 am
unskewed weather …
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:49 am
F. Sinkwich
Your 2 cents worth is just that 2 cents worth. thanks.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
8:49 am
Frog, you are overpaying on that product
Brad Steel
January 11th, 2013
8:50 am
It’s not the heat… it’s the stupidity.
indigo
January 11th, 2013
8:50 am
Even though most of us here endowed with intelligence and knowledge know global warming is man made, cons will, for various reasons, deny it to the end.
Many of these same cons probably still think our Govt. crackdown on cigareete smoking is just a liberal Marxist plot.
Strangely, however, the very runaway Business greed responsible for this global warming may turn out to be humanities’ salvation.
How, you ask? Well, at some point in the future, it will be undeniable that man made emissions are causing this warming and, if not checked, will ultimately doom all humans. At that point, Big Business will see huge potential profits in finding ways to reverse this warming. The profit race will be on and some industry may actually find a way to filter the atmosphere.
I suspect, however, it will be too little, too late.
Time will tell.
TaxPayer
January 11th, 2013
8:51 am
When the cons finally realize that we did this to ourselves for the sake of more bigger profits for a few, they’ll blame it on Obama.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
8:51 am
deniers…..what a bunch a maroons.
Did you see the President is considering an American Climate Change summit?
Ah, leadership.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:52 am
“Last thing – it’s cold in winter and hot in summer. DOH!”
except when it isn’t
and climate change is more than temperatures – such as the wettest year on record for the UK.
Steve
January 11th, 2013
8:52 am
Remember, 8th grade educated Confederates – “climate change” = extremes in weather, not just warmer weather:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/science/earth/extreme-weather-grows-in-frequency-and-intensity-around-world.html?hp&_r=1&
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
8:52 am
Well Georgia Power is shutting down coal fired plants so some
progress is being made..
TaxPayer
January 11th, 2013
8:53 am
Speaking of blaming things on Obama, I noticed that the S&P 500 closed at a 5-year high. DAMN! OBAMA! What are you trying to do to those poor Republicans! Make them wealthy!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 11th, 2013
8:53 am
Well, our weird weather is God’s Will. The Bible speaks of Trials and Tribulations. When you get up in the morning in January and you’re sweating, it’s Trials and Tribulations. Repent, you Sinners!
It won’t increase my taxes, will it?
td
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
Hurry, hurry and pick up the phone and call BR549. We must but buy some carbon points so that we can reduce our footprint and stop all of these weather problems.
godless heathen
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
Saw daffodils blooming in Central Georgia yesterday. They were beautiful.
The homeless in the city are able to sleep out under the stars.
The poor aren’t having any trouble paying their heating bills.
The rich SOBs aren’t able to snow ski.
Beautiful weather.
Jay
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
“There we go changin’ it up again. The other day it was global warming. I just wish people would come to a consensus.
There’s no “changing it up” at play here. Climatologists have long warned that more extreme weather events — including brutal cold — would be part of an overall warming trend.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
Taxpayer – “Speaking of blaming things on Obama, I noticed that the S&P 500 closed at a 5-year high. DAMN! OBAMA!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGvb0UtVEjY
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
Remember, 8th grade educated Confederates – “climate change” = extremes in weather, not just warmer weather
You’re fighting a losing battle….If you can’t cram the entire process into two words it’ll sail right over their heads.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:55 am
“The Bible speaks of Trials and Tribulations.”
I thought they were just talking about reality teevee … like Honey Booboo and Pawn Stars
Peadawg
January 11th, 2013
8:55 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:52 am
I guess I should have put “/sarcasm” next to that. I figured the Homer Simpson DOH! implied that…
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
8:56 am
Or is there a dust bowl in the ocean now?
Dust storms hit ocean liners in the 30s. (Actually, they first hit NYC–that’s when America started to kinda sorta giving a rat’s ass about those poor Panhandlers–then they hit the ocean liners.)
Wait a minute
January 11th, 2013
8:57 am
And yet hurricane and tornado activity in the US for the last few years is WELL UNDER historic averages….I like that.
TaxPayer
January 11th, 2013
8:57 am
The cons musta all got lumps of coal in their Christmas stockings only to find out that they can’t burn it without first investing in expensive scrubbers to remove the mercury and other contaminants from the smoke that their young’uns would otherwise get to breath.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
8:57 am
GG — “Did you see the President is considering an American Climate Change summit?”
Ah herd tha Occupier-In-Chief invited Mohammed and OBL’s ghost, but snubbed Jebus.
Imagine that. Jebus didn’t get an invitation.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
8:57 am
“I figured the Homer Simpson DOH! implied that…”
I missed the target of the DOH … my badski
Peadawg
January 11th, 2013
8:58 am
Jay
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
I was talking about what people are calling it, Jay. Global warming, climate change, whatever. The name is what I wish people would come to a consensus about. The name changes like Taylor Swift changes boyfriends.
F. Sinkwich
January 11th, 2013
8:59 am
“Did you see the President is considering an American Climate Change summit?”
And tha ChiComs and Indians will tell him to go eff himself.
Matti
January 11th, 2013
8:59 am
Jm,
Is this photo a fraud?
http://www.ajc.com/photo/news/photos/ajc-photos-week-january-5-11-2013/pm9tn/
Keep talking, in case there are people who don’t know what kind of… person…. you really are.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:00 am
Peadawg
January 11th, 2013
8:58 am
Jay
January 11th, 2013
8:54 am
I was talking about what people are calling it, Jay. Global warming, climate change, whatever. The name is what I wish people would come to a consensus about. The name changes like Taylor Swift changes boyfriends.
Kind of like socialist, liberal and now progressive.
Road Scholar
January 11th, 2013
9:01 am
DannyX : Con wrong again! Atlanta is 62 degrees right now heading to 70’s!
Why do cons always have problems with numbers?
Jay
January 11th, 2013
9:01 am
And about that photo being “doctored”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMYFY8vxnD4
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:01 am
td — “Kind of like socialist, liberal and now progressive.”
You forgot “Demoncraps.”
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:02 am
Pea
Global warming, Climate change that’s 2
Taylor Swift…..we’d need an abacus
TaxPayer
January 11th, 2013
9:02 am
Folks had to start referring to the global warming trend as climate change because the cons could not comprehend the fact that we still have winter and summers even as the planet heats up. What do ya do! After all, cons don’t do math or science.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:02 am
“ChiComs”
anyone who thinks that China is a model of communism is living in lala land. their government may be despotic, but their economy is anything BUT communist
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:02 am
Road, I think that was a spoof from DannyX.
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
9:03 am
The other day it was global warming.
Peadawg, get with the program! You are at LEAST seven years behind everyone else.
From a 2006 National Geographic article; one that I have been citing here for at least two years:
Scientists often use the term “climate change” instead of global warming. This is because as the Earth’s average temperature climbs, winds and ocean currents move heat around the globe in ways that can cool some areas, warm others, and change the amount of rain and snow falling. As a result, the climate changes differently in different areas.
http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/gw-overview/
Now, once and for all, quit trotting out that idiotic Republican nonsense, OK?
Jay
January 11th, 2013
9:03 am
“And tha ChiComs and Indians will tell him to go eff himself.”
As will the Sinkwiches, of course.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:04 am
Well sure Jay…. USinUK was raising the issue. I think it was a language issue. IF only them Aussies would speak English.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:04 am
Road Scholar — “Why do cons always have problems with numbers?”
The reason they’re so upset about the election is that they’re CERTAIN that Obama’s polls were in Fahrenheit and Romney’s polls were in Centigrade.
Road Scholar
January 11th, 2013
9:04 am
Godless: My daffodils in my back yard in Atlanta are up at least 6 inches. They usually aren’t that high until mid February. Global warming? Hot air from conservatives? Probably. The flowers are growing faster. Fertilizer from conservatives?
Soothsayer
January 11th, 2013
9:04 am
Jay, this is nothing but a liberal plot to make me give up my SUV. And I don’t even own an SUV!
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:05 am
F. Sinkwich
January 11th, 2013
8:59 am
“Did you see the President is considering an American Climate Change summit?”
And tha ChiComs and Indians will tell him to go eff himself
.
.
.
As discussed after the GOP/Clint Eastwood embarrassment it’s physically impossible.
That is unless YOU have found a way to accomplish that particular act.
Does it take much practice? Ever hurt yourself with a particularly difficult dismount?
td
January 11th, 2013
9:05 am
This has to be caused by climate change. It is just to dang hot or cold or rainy to play.
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GT
January 11th, 2013
9:06 am
We have not got the mature adults in this generation that step up and lead us out of these things like global warming. We have let the wrestling promoters and car salesman mutate reality into entertainment and pleasure, no balancing the books, all assets no liabilities, cosmetics over substance.
The real truth hidden in this modern world of glitz and glamour as occupation and not spare time hobbies is it is the driving force of the right much more than the left. The greed agents, who think education and the work towards such noble accomplishment is the lava of communism, truly believe first class flies the plane and because you have money you must be smart, the proof of you IQ is your toys. And while the “elite” play in their playpens the world ticks to an end as we know it, but fixing it is too inconvenient to this crowd of dapper dandies. What vexes me is they call themselves conservatives. If you want to see a real conservative look at how Warren Buffett lives. You’re not conservatives you are just a bunch of jerks.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:06 am
Again, if you’re denying that the climate is changing, and that humans are mostly the cause of the current and recent changes, then you need to go sit at the kids’ table while the grown ups work out how to save your ignorant asses.
Period.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:07 am
Jay – 9:01 – CGI !! CGI!! didn’t you see The Day After Tomorrow??? come ON, man!!!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
January 11th, 2013
9:08 am
The other day when the article about the warm year for the North America continent was posted, I suggested not to draw conclusions about global warming until we have data from the entire planet. Now we can draw a conclusion: the weather is acting like American politics.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 11th, 2013
9:09 am
Frog
re: long balls.
——————————–
As long as they drag the ground who can complain
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:10 am
” IF only them Aussies would speak English”
gah. I’d be happy if they didn’t do the “upspeak”. drives. me. nutty.
d’youknowwhatIMEAN?
I went to the PARK? and played with my DOG? then it started to RAIN?
are you ASKING me or TELLING me???!!!
Anton Chigurh
January 11th, 2013
9:10 am
Time to re-release “The Day After Tomorrow.”
godless heathen
January 11th, 2013
9:10 am
I think I see Lucifer’s face in that dust cloud pic.
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
9:11 am
Among many, many others, Adam and Jon Huntsman are correct, of course.
The scientifically illiterate and willfully stupid Republicans are simply ceding their place at the table.
Oh sure, the No Progress Party can screw up political policy royally, but even there, all they can do is slow down that hated P word, not stop it.
The 1950s yesterday! The 1950s tomorrow! The 1950s forever!
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:13 am
By the way, this “debate” over climate change isn’t just about disagreeing with ME, personally, as it seems some people over the past few threads have insisted. It’s about the FACT that evidence shows humans are warming the planet. I’ve been over this enough in exhaustive detail that yes, I, personally no longer have to patience to pit belief versus the evidence and call that a “debate.” THAT part of the “debate” is over, and settled.
The only thing you can argue about at this point is whether humans are, say, 60% of the cause, or somewhere around 90% of the cause, and just how much CO2 is too much and just how much water vapor is too much etc. ALL of those things already are built on the FACTS that we know that we are reaching that “too much” point through our own actions. WE are causing this.
Whether my explanations from way before I lost my temper just aren’t penetrating or the conservative climate change deniers are just being obstinate doesn’t matter to me anymore.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:13 am
“Time to re-release “The Day After Tomorrow.””
no.
it’s never time to rerelease that dreck.
sadly, it’s been on twice here in the last month. gah. I actually saw that in the theater with my mister when we were dating. I’m so ashamed.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
9:13 am
Common Sense
I have a problem with the ground every time I jump.
Just Saying..
January 11th, 2013
9:14 am
dinosaurs! the earth has been here before!
Yeah, that’s the kind of scientific brilliance we’ll be subjected to for the next couple of hours.
But we can always tune in Rush, and get the REAL scholarship…
godless heathen
January 11th, 2013
9:15 am
A towel-head snowman. Jeez. The end of the world is upon us.
Matti
January 11th, 2013
9:16 am
GT: “We have not got the mature adults in this generation that step up and lead us out of these things like global warming.”
Take heart! I am personally acquainted with a recent Georgia Tech grad who has started his own energy management company. They help those who build and operate large buildings (ie., hotels, offices) reduce waste and plan occupancy for maximum use of minimum resources. Those coming of age now are a lot smarter than their parents, I believe, and they know that going green and clean is not only essential for the survival of our species, but it’s where the economic benefits will be in the coming decades. Thank goodness we have kids like this, who have not yet come to believe that all is lost, or that they could never make a difference!
Jm
January 11th, 2013
9:16 am
Nothing worse than an ocean dust storm
Look I believe AU had a dust storm
I’ll reserve judgement on the photos. the photos don’t impact my assessment of global warming one way or the other
Jm
January 11th, 2013
9:17 am
more storm photos
http://www.weather.com/news/dust-storm-australia-20130110
DannyX
January 11th, 2013
9:17 am
I learned on the Political Insider blog yesterday that the extreme weather happening all over the world isn’t being caused by climate change. It’s being caused by the gays, God’s wrath. Oh well, at least we now know climate change really is caused by man.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:18 am
yeah, jm … you “reserve judgement”
http://bitethedust.com.au/bitingthedust/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dust-storm-002.jpg
Jm
January 11th, 2013
9:18 am
more than 1/2 the time these stupid photos are fake
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:19 am
and here’s how NASA faked it (along with the moon walk)
http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/40000/40378/Australia_TMO_2009269_lrg.jpg
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:19 am
Capitalism is well on its way to destroying the world. Quite literally.
As capitalism eats itself, all political parties are essentially owned by the financial oligarchy, who have nothing to offer the great majority of the people but more more more cuts. Austerity.
The Democratic party, like political liberalism and progressivism, is utterly powerless to do anything about it, since, in important ways it has long since compromised with and thus become part of the disease.
ANY serious political effort today to confront any of what is becoming an increasingly catastrophic host of problems — climate, child gun slaughters, jobs — is utopian, which is to say impossible, as the political sphere itself is worn away and eclipsed by a toxic brew of apathy, pent up rage, and futility brought on by the rot of oligarchy.
Think I’m exaggerating?
I don’t think so either.
Matti
January 11th, 2013
9:19 am
How can one reserve what one does not have in the first place?
td
January 11th, 2013
9:20 am
It is hard to believe that man made climate change is happening when:
1: The solution is to raise a tax.
2: Leading scientist in the area to begin with are now coming out and either saying it is a hoax, is not really a problem or it may be a natural occurrence.
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
9:20 am
Are Australians still sowing the wind ?
Doggone/GA
January 11th, 2013
9:20 am
“more than 1/2 the time these stupid photos are fake”
got proof?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:20 am
I’ll reserve judgement on the photos. the photos don’t impact my assessment of global warming one way or the other
Translation: I don’t need no stinkin facts or evidence. Benghazi!
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:21 am
Matti @ 9:19a
DownInAlbany
January 11th, 2013
9:21 am
All time warm temperatures in places, all time lows in others…and they are BOTH caused by global warming? I understand Al Gore has some carbon credits he’ll sell you!
No joke, folks, there is no debating that it is warmer here than in the past. But, snow in Israel is caused by the same? Unfortunately, Jay’s cut-and-paste job doesn’t offer any viable solutions. Our business has investigated the possibility of installing solar panels. It will take us 12.3 years to recoup the initial investment. Economically, it doesn’t add up…at least not for us. A business associate is working to develop a 100-acre solar farm here, but, admittedly, he and his family already have more money than Belize.
F. Sinkwich
January 11th, 2013
9:24 am
“As will the Sinkwiches, of course.”
Not sure about the Mrs. but I will indeed.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:24 am
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:19 am
Yes, the proletariat must rise up and save the plant from the bourgeoisie.
Jm
January 11th, 2013
9:25 am
here you go dimwits
http://mashable.com/2012/10/29/fake-hurricane-sandy-photos/
The other half of your brain.
January 11th, 2013
9:25 am
Well I guess I can bring back my short-shorts.
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
9:26 am
DannyX,
Jerry Falwell Warns Christians: Global Warming is a Satanic Myth.
And…
Right-wing preacher Jerry Falwell is decrying global warming as “Satan’s attempt to redirect the church’s primary focus” from evangelism to environmentalism.
No worries, it’s probably a tad warmish where the Faith-based Fraud is these days! (grin)
Republicans are some of the strangest people in the history of our species…
Jm
January 11th, 2013
9:26 am
more?
http://theweek.com/article/index/235578/10-fake-photos-of-hurricane-sandy
Cherokee
January 11th, 2013
9:27 am
leading ’scientist”?
so there’s just one?
fedup
January 11th, 2013
9:27 am
JHM, that was a good one with C and F. You might have to explain to the cons. Science is not their strong point.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:28 am
2: Leading scientist in the area to begin with are now coming out and either saying it is a hoax, is not really a problem or it may be a natural occurrence.
It’s clearly a “hoax”, yes. Just like the “hoax” of gun slaughters we’ve been hearing about. The devastation in places like Australia is just cooked up by some media cabal with overworked imaginations. If you were to go there in person and view it, then compare it to historical norms, you’d just shrug your shoulders and rest at ease. Just like if you were to go into one of these schools where dozens of children were ground up in the meat grinder of military assault weapons turned loose on them you’d just ignore your blood-drenched shoes and the floors strewn with the messy remains of the children, all the bone and brain and organ matter of still developing young children, laid to waste.
Cause after all, it’s just a hoax right?
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
9:29 am
so oopsy gets b*tch-slapped for saying the photo in question was doctored.
And then he does what?
He begs for more.
To the point in the last sentence in my last post, there is your evidence!
Bring back the Flat Earth or God will punish you!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:29 am
jm — “more storm photos”
Those sure are some big haboobies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haboob
Doggone/GA
January 11th, 2013
9:29 am
“more?”
you weren’t asked for examples of fake photos, we already know they exist. You were asked for PROOF that HALF of such photos are faked. Got proof?
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
9:30 am
here you go dimwits
Jm seems to be under the assumption everyone forwards and prints things without checking them out. Jay’s column isn’t like td’s e-mail, hon. It’s called using your brain.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:30 am
By the way, this “debate” over climate change isn’t just about disagreeing with ME, personally
Good point. People seem to forget that the debate is really about whether or not Al Gore is fat.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:30 am
td
Leading scientist in the area to begin with are now coming out and either saying it is a hoax, is not really a problem or it may be a natural occurrence.
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Who is this leading scientist?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:30 am
No joke, folks, there is no debating that it is warmer here than in the past. But, snow in Israel is caused by the same?
Yep can be. But if you were truly informed you would know that.
Funny how solar panels are not “effective” in Albany but they are in North Fulton for some businesses. But then perhaps assumptions differed, technology differed, opportunity costs differed.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:33 am
td: Leading scientist in the area to begin with are now coming out and either saying it is a hoax, is not really a problem or it may be a natural occurrence.
I know you say you provided links before, but honestly I cannot find them. I forgot the thread they are on. Can you please provide them again so I can read?
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
9:33 am
Keep Up
Allbenny is different.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:33 am
Stands, you fool, the debate is not about whether Al Gore is fat or not?, its about whether he sold out to “them”
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:33 am
Who is this leading scientist?
And when did he sign the petition project?
td
January 11th, 2013
9:34 am
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:28 am
“meat grinder of military assault weapons”
Another huge hoax. The military does not use the AR-15. They are NOT military weapons.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:35 am
Leading Scientist and associate.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Mr.+Peabody&id=295AEB4031F5E1F39A70D445D6FFD950C66EACA7&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=295AEB4031F5E1F39A70D445D6FFD950C66EACA7&selectedIndex=0
GT
January 11th, 2013
9:36 am
The right has taken the trend of the dumbed down society and made it into a political party. Growing up in the south I would at an early age listen to straight face lies about why whites were superior and listen to some of the sorriest people I had ever met tell me how sorry someone else was. These people are trying to prove Darwin wrong in more than just Monkey Trials, they are showing us the less educated, truthful and moral have become the worshiped and models of the generation.
Reality trumps entertainment, as you grow old you will see this. To base your lives on a beauty contest of this looks better than that so we will take this path will get you lost every time, the sad think is you are taking all of us with you. We will be right but what good is living in hell, being right.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:36 am
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:30 am
Go to Jay’s other story this week on global warming. I posted at least 6 or 7 links from scientist (one of which was touted as a leading scientist on global warming 15 years ago).
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:37 am
td: What is the civilian purpose of an AR-15?
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:37 am
its about whether he sold out to “them”
Dude. We dirty effing hippies long ago shorthanded the deniers’ argument to four simple words:
“Al Gore is fat.”
That’s all you need to know. The rest is commentary.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:38 am
GG, don’t you DARE besmirch the inventor of the WABAC machine or his pet boy like that.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:39 am
td
You mean with only 1 leading scientist YOU CAN”T EVEN REMEMBER HIS NAME?
Call me skeptical.
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
9:39 am
Leading Scientist and associate.
Piffle. These guys are clearly the scientists with the right stuff:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/top-ten-geek-haircuts-49293713/3/
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:39 am
http://www.skepticalscience.com/The-Scientific-Guide-to-Global-Warming-Skepticism.html
DannyX
January 11th, 2013
9:40 am
“Who is this leading scientist?”
My guess is that this “leading scientist” recently deposited a big fat check signed by an oil company exec.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:40 am
stands
i do sooo apologize for the besmirchering.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:41 am
“We dirty effing hippies long ago shorthanded the deniers’ argument to four simple words:”
there are days you so rock my world.
this is one of them
td
January 11th, 2013
9:42 am
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:37 am
td: What is the civilian purpose of an AR-15?
The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:44 am
Aquagirl
I find Dr. Honeydew strangely attractive….
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:45 am
“To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
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Paranoia – Part of any good mental health check.
The other half of your brain.
January 11th, 2013
9:45 am
Our business has investigated the possibility of installing solar panels. It will take us 12.3 years to recoup the initial investment. Economically, it doesn’t add up…at least not for us. A business associate is working to develop a 100-acre solar farm here, but, admittedly, he and his family already have more money than Belize.
Down in Albany, You are missing hte big picture, you are supposed to invest like SOLYNDRA, then it will be provitable, you silly boy.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:46 am
“I find Dr. Honeydew strangely attractive….”
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:47 am
The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.
“every word [he] writes is a lie, including ‘and’ and ‘the’.”
mm
January 11th, 2013
9:47 am
“more than 1/2 the time these stupid photos are fake”
Everything is a fake or a lie unless it comes from the snout of Saint Rushbo.
The other half of your brain.
January 11th, 2013
9:47 am
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:45 am
“To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
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Paranoia – Part of any good mental health check.
Granny, maybe you should ask some soldiers and Blacks about the experiments that were conducted on them by our Govt. Just sayin.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:48 am
td — “The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
Show us your militia ID and dog tags.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:48 am
Time to start my honeydewafterdark website.
Morality?
January 11th, 2013
9:48 am
And the brilliant know-it-all Jammy Codder predicted we would run out of gas in 1976! More hysteria from the Chicken Little’s of the world.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:48 am
From below:
“John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, and various other critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.” It is, but it’s more than that, it’s criminal.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/2/
“nfluential scientist James Lovelock admits that he’s been a bit of an alarmist (read: fear-monger) when it comes to matters of global warming and climate change. Though he wouldn’t call himself a “denier” by any stretch of the imagination, he concedes that the earth really hasn’t changed as much as he apocalyptically predicted it would, and throws other environmental activists under the bus as well, including Al Gore.
“Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable,” he said back in 2006. Now, 6 years later, he told MSNBC that he had been “extrapolating too far,” in recent years.
A favorite of the environmental movement, Lovelock is probably best-known for his “Gaia” model of the earth as a single organism. The 92-year-old scientist is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still a very real issue, but that it’s just not happening as fast as he once thought.
Even though the world isn’t much warmer that it was 12 years ago, according to Lovelock’s old theories, “we were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” which seems hardly the world we live in. He admitted, “The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.”
“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added. Though he has not changed his mind about climate change, he has changed his extremist doomsday-laden positions, and calls Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.”
Sounds like some of the posters on here read his first book and took it as gospel.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/224934/global-warming-scientist-james-lovelock-admits-to-being-an-alarmist/#gotHxccJl0Q1jCXS.99
td
January 11th, 2013
9:49 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:48 am
td — “The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
Show us your militia ID and dog tags.
The 2nd Amendment says I do not need them to own guns
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
9:50 am
I find Dr. Honeydew strangely attractive….
And this is where the thread takes a sudden turn to a dark place…..
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:50 am
“John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel
whose degree is in, what scientific discipline, again?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
9:50 am
“And the brilliant know-it-all Jammy Codder predicted we would run out of gas in 1976!”
bollocks.
no he didn’t.
he said that we would run out of petroleum – which we will (there is only so much on the planet) – but he didn’t say that it would happen BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED. numpty.
Rightwing Troll
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
“Lotsa weather observations with no facts about cause. But as we’ve learned all too well over the last four years, a crisis, real or perceived, is a terrible thing to waste, particularily if it can be used to extract treasure from the productive for transfer to the not-so-much.”
Denier ilks are a funny lot… dissenting climate change denying scientists are to the field as Karl Rove, Dick Morris, and internal Republican pollsters were to the presidential polls last year…
Sea rising alarmists aside, this extreme weather we’re seeing was predicted as far back as the early 90’s.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
td: “Another huge hoax. The military does not use the AR-15. They are NOT military weapons.”
You’re splitting hairs, trying to evade the issue. The model was designed for the US military. The fact that the military version is a different model is irrelevant. These are military-style weapons.
DannyX
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
“SOLYNDRA”
Hey td, was that leading scientist Dr Solyndra Benghazi?
I hear he got his PhD from Phoenix University.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
Granny, maybe you should ask some soldiers and Blacks about the experiments that were conducted on them by our Govt.
Hey, remember when the 2nd Amendment Right to Arm Bears saved those poor SOBs who were the subject of grotesque pseudo-science experimentation?
Neither do I.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
Granny Godzilla
January 11th, 2013
9:45 am
“To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
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Paranoia – Part of any good mental health check.
So I guess our founding fathers were paranoid because it was their intent and the reason they wrote this individual right into the Constitution and specifically said “shall not be infringed” .
TBS
January 11th, 2013
9:55 am
Uh oh
“The difference now is the source: Muller is a long-standing, colorful critic of prevailing climate science, and the Berkeley project was heavily funded by the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, which, along with its libertarian petrochemical billionaire founder Charles G. Koch, has a considerable history of backing groups that deny climate change. ”
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-kochfunded-climate-change-skeptic-reverses-course-20120729,0,7372823.story
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:56 am
I’ve posted variations on this theme in the past, but I think Rude Pundit has picked up the Hitler ball and run down the Hitler field and spiked the Hitler gun control arguments in the Hitler end zone pretty Hitler well.
Also Hitler.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2013/01/sorry-gun-nuts-hitler-actually-relaxed.html
Here’s the deal, oh, sweet, stupid gun nuts: Have a history lesson. Gun control laws had nothing to do with the rise of the Nazis or the Holocaust. In fact, they were initially part of the Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War I, punishing Germany by eliminating private ownership of guns. In the Weimar Republic, new laws liberalized gun ownership, allowing hunting rifles and more. The other gun control laws in Germany post-WWI were specifically put in to prevent armed takeover of the government by groups like the Nazi Party, which did not, in fact, stage a coup, but used electoral power to solidify its hold on the government (along with the Gestapo and the repression of demonized Communist groups). In fact, Hitler and the Third Reich opened up gun ownership even more, even if they did ban all Jews from owning guns. Yeah, the 1938 law said “a hunting license entitles the holder to carry firearms and handguns.” That was new. It also lowered the age of gun ownership from 20 to 18 and changed one-year permits to three-year.
[...]
If you think you need to be armed with assault weapons because you might have to fight a government that wants to take your assault weapons away through laws passed by a legally-elected body, you are a traitor and kind of a dick. And if that’s the best you’ve got for your argument on why you need to have military style weapons, then you, dear, dumb friend, are believing a whole heaping shovelful of lies.
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
9:56 am
whose degree is in, what scientific discipline, again?
I’m confused as to who the leading scientist is, we have three possibilities:
1) An Economics professor who writes for Forbes.
2) The journalist who started the Weather Channel.
3) The 92 year old man who postulated the Gaia hypothesis, and says global warming is real.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:57 am
td: The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.
Actually that wasn’t the intent. The intent was to protect from FOREIGN invaders, as part of a well regulated militia, absent a standing army.
Look it up.
And anyway, what do you hope to accomplish against a “tyrannical” (you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means) government that has drones? You think the second amendment allows you to have drones as well?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
9:58 am
Kids must die so that we can be ready to fight the Tryanny of an American Castro or other imaginary government. Remember, its the wingnuts that decide what is tyranny. It will be 1776 all over again. why you would never hear that word used for, say, a duly elected President carrying out the will of the majority of Americans following the constitution.
And climate change is all part of the tyranny.
GOP buffoonery and a good reason to deny clowns who spout such buffoonery as too crazy to be permitted to have a gun.
Preppers be crazy.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:58 am
td — ““John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, and various other critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.” It is, but it’s more than that, it’s criminal.”
From a few days ago, my dad’s a “doctor.” Can he do open-heart surgery on you?
He’s not a physician or a surgeon, but that shouldn’t bother you. After all, you’re citing the climatological opinion of a man who’s not a climatologist. So having my dad the microbiologist cut you open shouldn’t be a problem, either.
td — “The 2nd Amendment says I do not need them to own guns”
2nd Amendment says “well-regulated” militia. Founding fathers also said “no standing army.” So if cons want to be all ‘original intent’ and stuff, then the meaning is clear.
No standing military.
Militia instead.
And individuals desiring to own firearms should *be in* that “well-regulated” militia.
The other half of your brain.
January 11th, 2013
9:58 am
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
Granny, maybe you should ask some soldiers and Blacks about the experiments that were conducted on them by our Govt.
Hey, remember when the 2nd Amendment Right to Arm Bears saved those poor SOBs who were the subject of grotesque pseudo-science experimentation?
Neither do I.
Hey!, remember when you had a brain and could comprehend what people were writing. Thought not, sport.
td
January 11th, 2013
9:59 am
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
9:52 am
td: “Another huge hoax. The military does not use the AR-15. They are NOT military weapons.”
You’re splitting hairs, trying to evade the issue. The model was designed for the US military. The fact that the military version is a different model is irrelevant. These are military-style weapons.
You do not know what you are talking about. The AR-15 LOOKS like the M-16 but the functionality is totally different and is therefore not a military weapon. I guess it is the looks that scare all you progressives. The AR-15 is no different, functionality wise, then most of the guns hunters use everyday. Matter of fact, it is a smaller caliber (smaller bullet) then what hunters use.
the cat
January 11th, 2013
9:59 am
I have to give props to td. He/she/it is shot down, laughed at, ridiculed, proven wrong EVERY.SINGLE.DAY on here but he/she/it keeps coming back for more.
Most would just slink away.
indigo
January 11th, 2013
10:00 am
F. Sinkwich
Do you believe cigarete smoking is dangerous?
Or, is it just liberal Govt. propaganda?
td
January 11th, 2013
10:01 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
9:58 am
And you can cite SCOTUS decisions and quotes from our founding fathers to back up your interpretation?
mm
January 11th, 2013
10:02 am
““To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.”
Funny how this sh*t only comes up when a Democrat is in the WH. Same with the national debt.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:03 am
Behold, td’s “many links”
www. inquisitr.com/224934/global-warming-scientist-james-lovelock-admits-to-being-an-alarmist/#gotHxccJl0Q1jCXS.99
redwhitebluenews.com/?p=7670
www. infiniteunknown.net/2012/06/06/eco-fascist-james-hansen-admits-global-warming-is-not-man-made/
www. forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/2/
Three out of 4 are from anti-climate change sites spinning the whole thing as a hoax, and every single one of them is based on hearsay, not any science presented.
It’s one thing for a scientist to simply say “It’s a hoax!” and it’s another for them to present science that debunks the entire body of evidence that shows otherwise and does so in a peer-reviewed manner.
So let me take a look at these links for a bit, and I’ll be back with some choice passages showing just how much logical fallacy went into crafting the arguments.
indigo
January 11th, 2013
10:04 am
td
Do you enjoy posting ignorance?
http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/01/29_global-warming.html
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:04 am
Though he wouldn’t call himself a “denier” by any stretch of the imagination, he concedes that the earth really hasn’t changed as much as he apocalyptically predicted it would
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/224934/global-warming-scientist-james-lovelock-admits-to-being-an-alarmist/#YreWQvEAHHqj2Kw2.99
Which basically says only that he wasn’t right about prediction, not that he’s wrong about the earth warming.
That’s ONE, td.
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
10:04 am
And you can cite SCOTUS decisions and quotes from our founding fathers to back up your interpretation?
Will you accept blather from Forbes opinion writers and TV entrepreneurs in this matter? It seems good enough for you in others.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:06 am
Actually that wasn’t the intent.
You’re saying…it was part of a constitution, and not a suicide pact?
Oh, now it makes sense. Thanks.
Mick
January 11th, 2013
10:06 am
Oh my freakin god!! Where art thou bosch? The paranoia contingent against tyranny – give me back my bullets???
Seriously Folks
January 11th, 2013
10:06 am
Okay. I cannot believe that folks think humans have NOTHING to do with climate change. So, here is a little experiment that you can do at home (although i HIGHLY recommend against it)! To start, we have to ALL agree that our planet supports life via the fact of the ozone…you know, keeps oxygen in to produce/support life? Got it?? (and if you lose ANYONE on this argument, i doubt they ever took a science class!!!). So, the ozone in our little experiment is used to keep things in to support life and protect us….so lets substitute the ozone (a protective shield, etc) for, say, your greenhouse (or garage..same concept). NOW…in your greenhouse, lots of things grow..filter the air, support life…got it? Now, go and park your car in the greenhouse, turn on the engine and let it run for a while….what the hell do you think would happen inside your greenhouse?? ANYONE?? (and by the way, I would not recommend entering the greenhouse and breathing the air)….
Just a shame that a simple experiment like that could elicit so much “disagreement”. Sheesh!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
10:07 am
td — “And you can cite SCOTUS decisions and quotes from our founding fathers to back up your interpretation?”
How about you go ahead and do that right now?
Explain to us exactly when and where the SCOTUS held that the phrase “well-regulated militia” could be ignored by all and sundry?
barking frog
January 11th, 2013
10:08 am
The best argument for keeping assault weapons is for protection
from the pro-gun advocates.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:08 am
But today The Mail on Sunday can reveal that a leading member of Prof Muller’s team has accused him of trying to mislead the public by hiding the fact that BEST’s research shows global warming has stopped.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html#ixzz2HgCaiZHl
Except that BEST’s data says nothing of the sort. The person being accusatory is actually just being accusatory, and using cherry picked data to make the point. In fact, the cherry picked data shows up in the very graph Daily Mail presents:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/30/article-2055191-0E974B4300000578-6_634×639.jpg
As you can see, they chose only the last decade for the bottom graph, making it appear as though global warming has just stopped, and that means humans are not causing it.
This is not the case, as you can see from the top graph BEST’s own data shows. In fact, when placing that data against CO2 data, you see a strong correlation, which is the point Muller has been making.
That’s TWO, td.
td
January 11th, 2013
10:09 am
Adam
January 11th, 2013
9:57 am
td: The civilian purpose is the reason the founding fathers wrote the amendment to start with. To protect the nation from the tyrannical intent of the government.
Actually that wasn’t the intent. The intent was to protect from FOREIGN invaders, as part of a well regulated militia, absent a standing army.
Look it up.
[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
—James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.
—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:10 am
give me back my bullets
You know, there seems to be a lot of dispute over just what that Skynyrd song is really all about.
http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/43507/
I don’t claim to know, myself.
Erwin's cat
January 11th, 2013
10:12 am
lions, and tigers, and bears…oh my!
td
January 11th, 2013
10:14 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
10:07 am
td — “And you can cite SCOTUS decisions and quotes from our founding fathers to back up your interpretation?”
How about you go ahead and do that right now?
Explain to us exactly when and where the SCOTUS held that the phrase “well-regulated militia” could be ignored by all and sundry?
Define militia as intended by the founding fathers?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
10:14 am
“Quit using my quotes out of context for your prepper tyranny buffoonery. We fought a revolution against a King, not our own duly elected government.” – Thomas Jefferson
RB from Gwinnett
January 11th, 2013
10:14 am
USinUK, “rather than those of us who are trying to DO something to stop global warming)”
I sure wish ya’ll would make up your minds if it’s “global warming” or “global climate change” and stick with 1 irrational crisis to whine about. Tell me again what caused the warming after the ice age that killed the dinosaurs….Was that Bush’s bad environmental policy too?
Aquagirl
January 11th, 2013
10:15 am
Faux News Poindexter Soshalizm Alert!
““But even worse is the way some textbooks are pushing the liberal agenda,” the Fox News host explained, pointing to an algebra worksheet that Scholastic says gives students “[i]nsight into the distributive property as it applies to multiplication.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/eric-bolling-schools-pushing-the-liberal-agenda-by-teaching-algebra/
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:15 am
Eco-Fascist James Hansen Admits Global Warming is Not Man-Made
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/06/06/eco-fascist-james-hansen-admits-global-warming-is-not-man-made/
From one of the buried links in this one:
After spending more than a decade observing the glaciers in Greenland, scientists have concluded that they are not melting with the veracity that climate change alarmists would have us believe.
This means that the warning of several feet of rising seas that were purveyed by Al Gore in his film An Inconvenient Truth, will actually only be a significant rise by inches.
IOW, the “it’s a hoax” people are merely making the case that we do not have to worry about a rapid rise in sea levels that immediately overwhelms us, STILL letting us all know that, in fact, global warming is happening.
And then there’s this:
The consensus, Hansen claims is that “the warming is at least in part a consequence of increasing anthropogenic greenhouse gases (GHGs)” – asserting this is conjecture while ignoring the science that was actually given, and specifically suggesting the science doesn’t exist.
Although the climate change computer models used by the ICPP and Hansen are focused on “business as usual” scenarios with rapidly increasing GHGs, that has not been the case in real world observation by environmental scientists across the globe.
- Again making the case that global warming is real, just not as rapid as first predicted.
According to a press release, at the University of Alabama, Spencer said: “The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show. There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans.”
- Again making the case that global warming is real, just not as rapid as first predicted.
Basically nothing in the article shows that global warming isn’t man made. Instead, it relies on the idea that the models predict a more rapid change than is now found to be happening, and then uses that to erroneously assert that this necessarily means that climate change is not man made.
For clarity, “man made” when I use it means “man assisted” and that man is mostly the cause, but does not deny that other natural factors do exist that keep the planet warm. IOW, man is causing a warming effect that would not be present without man’s assistance, hence “man made global warming.”
That’s THREE, td.
Peter
January 11th, 2013
10:16 am
Thank you Jm for this statement……… That said, climate change is real and needs addressing.
Hard to beleive with all the cutting of the Amazon, along with autos, tar, and cement, more folks don’t get it.
Southwillriseagain
January 11th, 2013
10:17 am
global warming…what a crock!!! The world has experienced extremes in the past and they will continue. No amount of money or regulations can change it…just like gun control bs…it’s all about control, nothing else!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
10:17 am
“I sure wish ya’ll would make up your minds if it’s “global warming” or “global climate change” and stick with 1 irrational crisis to whine about. ”
yes. because things can ONLY be called one thing. god forbid we have more than one name for something – it confuses the addle-minded.
td
January 11th, 2013
10:18 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
10:07 am
I think this founder was talking directly to you:
[W]hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.
—Richard Henry Lee, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
Erwin's cat
January 11th, 2013
10:18 am
any links to successful hindcasting?
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:18 am
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/2/
Climate Change: ‘Hoax’ Or Crime Of The Century?
This says EXACTLY NOTHING about whether climate change is real, or if humans have a cause, but merely says that the cost would be too great to do anything to reduce CO2 emissions. The headline is EXTREMELY misleading. And it was quite a short read too.
That’s FOUR, td. And the final one.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:18 am
the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
Whereas we DO trust the people–in a well regulated militia. Sure.
That’s quite distinct from today’s right wing gun fellators won’t even stand for having their weapons registered, let alone attend regular Government-funded training so that they don’t do the kind of foolish things that are the stuff of legend among such folk.
RB from Gwinnett
January 11th, 2013
10:19 am
And while we’re at it, lib alarmists, if all this oil we’re sucking out of the ground is indeed from fossils as your beloved scientists THEORIZE, what was living in the vast wasteland that is the middle east oil fields in large enough quantities to have produced all this fossilized material? And what happened to all of it? Did that climate change too? And which Bush policy caused it?
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
10:19 am
…predicted we would run out of gas in 1976!
Yes, in the GOP world of made up stupidity, I’m sure that happened…
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:20 am
Now then, I trust I’ve made my point, and td has been shown to present links that don’t actually make his but merely assert it, in headlines and badly written and badly sourced (by which I mean it’s clear even the author didn’t read them) articles.
the cat
January 11th, 2013
10:22 am
Stands-what a fabulous link, thanks!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 11th, 2013
10:23 am
Well there now, we the GOP wingnuts have a great solution to climate change. We make your kids into crude oil. Problem solved.
Now where do I order my $28 Obamacare pizza?
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:23 am
As for guns, you have paranoid delusions if you think the government is angling to come and take all your guns from you so a dictator can be appointed. Especially since NO ONE has suggested confiscation on a level of law or regulation, and NO ONE has suggested ALL guns can be taken away.
SCOTUS said, and recently, that handguns for home defense are the epitome of “shall not be infringed,” but that SPECIFICALLY having guns in schools is the epitome of “reasonable regulation” that IS ALLOWED.
Who was the one who wrote that part of the majority opinion?
Scalia. Right down to the part about how the second amendment is NOT UNLIMITED.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
See also “Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy”
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
Apparently our brilliant Republicans were all home schooled.
And English, mathematics, science and history were all electives that they did not take.
I remember when the GOP has SOME intellectual aspects to it and actually listened to the world’s experts in these areas and not the Jerry Falwells out there.
The result was that they went from the brilliant Nixon to the moronic Bush in thirty years.
Stay ignorant, my friends…
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
all this oil we’re sucking out of the ground
Leave your warm-up exercises out of this, RB.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
10:17 –
– just as I said in the very first post on the topic …
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
td: “The AR-15 LOOKS like the M-16 but the functionality is totally different and is therefore not a military weapon. I guess it is the looks that scare all you progressives”
You’re trying to divert from the issue by making an irrelevant point about functionality and features. The weapon was originally developed for military purposes, and that history cannot be eliminated.
So by isolating on the single word “military” and then convincing yourself that these weapons are not of that type, does that settle the issue for you, put your mind at rest?
It doesn’t mine.
TiredOfIt
January 11th, 2013
10:25 am
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
January 11th, 2013
8:53 am
Well, our weird weather is God’s Will. The Bible speaks of Trials and Tribulations. When you get up in the morning in January and you’re sweating, it’s Trials and Tribulations. Repent, you Sinners!
++
If God can’t even take on the devil, the weather must be way above his powers.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:25 am
td: Define militia as intended by the founding fathers?
All able bodied men. Now how about you define “well-regulated” as defined by the Founding Fathers? Or did you forget that part?
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:26 am
” And which Bush policy caused it?”
Actually Bush said he believed in global warming, but as usual do blather on
td
January 11th, 2013
10:27 am
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:20 am
The only thing you have proven is that you are a radical environmentalist. .06 degrees in a 100 year period is not conclusive scientific evidence that man made carbon emissions is going to ruin the world if we do not end them now. You can preach all you want but it is not proof that we need to add a carbon tax, cut out oil and coal use. Dream on my my friend because we just do not believe it.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:27 am
Apparently our brilliant Republicans were all home schooled
…by a beat-down yard dog.
RB from Gwinnett
January 11th, 2013
10:28 am
USinUK, “yes. because things can ONLY be called one thing. god forbid we have more than one name for something – it confuses the addle-minded.”
Yea, tool, when the data stops supporting “warming”, lets call it something else, right? And blaming every storm, heat wave, snow storm, hurricane, tornado and breeze over 5mph on “climate change” as if all those events weren’t occuring before Bush’s evil environmental policies is just stupid. But if you want to ride along on the stupid bus, climb aboard!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
10:29 am
“The only thing you have proven is that you are a radical environmentalist. .06 degrees in a 100 year period is not conclusive scientific evidence that man made carbon emissions is going to ruin the world if we do not end them now.”
wow. I suggest that, when you want to go stick your head in the sand you do it here:
http://peakwater.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/rio-20-united-states-drought-fish_56489_600×450.jpg
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:29 am
Actually Bush said he believed in global warming, but as usual do blather on
lots of Republicans used to profess belief in man’s role in climate change. They proposed more moderate, market-driven approaches to address it. When Democrats decided that maybe less moderate, control-economy approaches weren’t going to get passed, and decided to go the Republican route, all of a sudden Republicans weren’t believing in it any more.
I’m sure that last bit was just a coincidence.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 11th, 2013
10:30 am
“Yea, tool, when the data stops supporting “warming”, lets call it something else, right?”
it hasn’t stopped supporting warming … DEAREST … http://www.planetseed.com/files/uploadedimages/Science/Earth_Science/Global_Climate_Change_and_Energy/Related_Articles/global_temp1.jpg
talking about climate change encompasses MORE than just temperatures – it also includes drought, floods, extreme storms, etc.
stands for decibels
January 11th, 2013
10:31 am
GUN SHEETZ! yeeee hawwww!!! load up on the stupid, folks.
Erwin's cat
January 11th, 2013
10:32 am
And English, mathematics, science and history were all electives that they did not take.
like this guy?
http://rps3.com/Pages/Burt_Rutan_on_Climate_Change.htm
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:32 am
RB
angry much?
That ODS is on your a$$
td
January 11th, 2013
10:32 am
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
10:24 am
I hunt with a 30.06 semi auto rifle and I have a 20 round clip for it. It has a great deal more knock down power then the .223 AR-15 so that means it will kill a person easier then the AR-15. My rifle is on no ones list to ban. Like I said the AR-15 looks like the M-16 so therefore in the eyes of you progressives it must be bad and should be banned. Typical logic of the left.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
10:33 am
td — “Define militia as intended by the founding fathers?”
You mean “well-regulated” militia.
Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist #29: “The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
Hamilton doesn’t like the notion of training the citizenry to the standard of a “well-regulated militia,” but he clearly admits that it includes lots and lots of training and military drills.
Records of the Continental Congress agree: “Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.”
George Washington spoke approvingly of the proper regulation of troops and the value thereof: “I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got.”
It’s worth observing that several individual States ( VA and PA among them), in their Constitutions and founding document, *specifically* spoke to and addressed an *individual right* to keep firearms, but the Federal Constitution does not. Despite that, the SCOTUS in Heller decided that the Founders meant it anyway (despite the fact that they could have put it in but didn’t).
If the Founders *wanted* a personal right to keep firearms *distinct* and separate from the militia, they could easily have put in into the Constitution. But they didn’t — they linked it to being part of the militia, since they didn’t envision a standing army.
US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8 states that Congress has the authority to: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”
“To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”
Uh, isn’t all that the job of the Army?
Nope. Not as the Founders saw it. They provided for a standing Navy to protect commerce and shipping from piracy on the high seas, but they didn’t like the notion of a standing Army. In fact, the Constitution expressly FORBIDS Congress for appropriating any money for an Army for a period longer than two years. They *clearly* intended for an Army to be raised only when needed — because the militia wasn’t enough to do the job. And they *clearly* intended for the Army to be *disbanded* following the completion of its task.
It always amazes me how conservatives go on and on about “original intent” while not really being all that conversant with the Constitution, its history and the opinions and writings of the Founders.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:33 am
td: The only thing you have proven is that you are a radical environmentalist. .06 degrees in a 100 year period is not conclusive scientific evidence that man made carbon emissions is going to ruin the world if we do not end them now
No, but the science behind those numbers IS proof that global warming is happening, and that man is mostly the cause.
I have not proven myself to be an environmentalist at all, as I have not suggested a time frame for global warming reaching a tipping point, nor have I suggested some of the remedies that I object to, like the carbon tax.
If pointing out that the science conclusively proves that global warming does exist. however slight, and that man is mostly the cause of the change, makes me an “environmentalist” in your eyes then you have shown once again you are merely paranoid and reactionary.
And THAT is why I generally don’t have discussions with climate change deniers.
Climate Change discussion = OMG THE SKY IS FALLING according to conservatives
Gun Control discussion = OMG CONFISCATION according to conservatives.
.
New Rule: Everybody needs to Calm The F*** Down.
JamVet
January 11th, 2013
10:35 am
…when the data stops supporting “warming”…
And when the data stops supporting a sun-centered solar system…
One more time, you Republicans are a willfully stupid laughinstock to the educated people of the world.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:35 am
td: And for the record, I have zero incentive to suggest cutting out oil use.
If you’ve been paying attention, you would know why.
Erwin's cat
January 11th, 2013
10:38 am
No, but the science behind those numbers IS proof that global warming is happening, and that man is mostly the cause.
“proof”…I think not
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:40 am
OK Erwin, semantics at best. It SHOWS VERY STRONGLY that humans are mostly the cause and that lobal warming is happening.
Just like gravity and relativity, it hasn’t been “proven.”
Happy now? Of course not, because I just blew apart your semantics.
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:41 am
Excuse me, correction:
OK Erwin, semantics at best. It SHOWS VERY STRONGLY that humans are mostly the cause and that global warming is happening.
Just like gravity and relativity, it hasn’t been “proven.”
Happy now? Of course not, because I just blew apart your semantics.
moonbat betty
January 11th, 2013
10:41 am
GAME OVER, MAN! Game over.
Stick a fork in that frog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
will-o-the-wisp
January 11th, 2013
10:41 am
I’ll trade places with you for a while, out my window it is 20 deg with blowing snow lo tonight -5 hi in the am 5 deg may get above freezing by thursday. we need the snow because 2012 had low snow pack; where my water comes from, and some neighbors have no water pressure, because of drought, out here in the perimeter, we had forest fires in november.
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:42 am
td
Who is the manufacturer of your 30.06?
moonbat betty
January 11th, 2013
10:42 am
It’s a psycho bill freak out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn4lJqbv7So330pds
Ronald Reagan
January 11th, 2013
10:45 am
Global warming was designed by Liberals for Liberals who will believe anything they’re told.
MrLiberty
January 11th, 2013
10:46 am
When I saw the title I actually thought you were talking about the frog of liberty and freedom in this country. As the old saying goes, if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water he will immediately jump out, but if you put him in cold water and slowly heat it, he will sit there and tolerate the heat until its too late. Among freedom lovers, that analogy is used routinely to describe what has gone on in america. We in this country have been doing just that with government destruction of our freedoms and liberties for over 100 years and for some crazy reason I actually thought that you, Jay, were actually saying that the government had finally gotten the water hot enough to cook the frog.
Well, the analogy is still appropriate even though a progressive liberal like you don’t actually think that the loss of liberties and freedom is a bad thing.
RB from Gwinnett
January 11th, 2013
10:46 am
Keep, “Now where do I order my $28 Obamacare pizza?”
It was $25 and here’s your answer.
http://mypizza.com/restaurant/menu/849
Even the veggie pie is over $25. You asked for it and now you have the proof, so STFU!!
Adam
January 11th, 2013
10:49 am
RB: Vegan and gluten free pizzas being more expensive proves…. what, exactly? And what does that have to do with Obamacare?
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:50 am
RB
Take a valium or something. Your ODS is flaring up bad.
Who the hell are you to tell someone to STFU?
Looking in the mirror and telling yourself that would be more appropriate.
td
January 11th, 2013
10:50 am
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:42 am
td
Who is the manufacturer of your 30.06?
Browning
Nero
January 11th, 2013
10:51 am
Global warming is real. Any rational person can see the effects in recent abnormal weather patterns and warming trends. However, all the Nancy hand-wringing by the professional Greens and the scientific community in the West amuses me. With populations of 1.3 billion and 1.2 billion respectively, China and India are on the cusp of making current pollution levels look like child’s play. Its gonna get worse, and no amount of carbon based remediation in the West will alleviate it. All it will accomplish is hamstringing economic development here and in Europe, while the booming economies of China and India barrel on like a freight train. They’ll continually pump out more and more greenhouse gases while we pat ourselves on the back and say what a great job we did to stem the tide of Global Warming. Meanwhile they laugh their asses off at us and nothing changes except who’s doing the polluting. Chumps.
Regnad Kcin
January 11th, 2013
10:51 am
“what was living in the vast wasteland that is the middle east oil fields in large enough quantities to have produced all this fossilized material? And what happened to all of it? ”
google “bacterial mats”
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:52 am
td
Cool. You must be a bad shot. I don’t know many people who hunt deer with a 20 rd magazine.
Regnad Kcin
January 11th, 2013
10:52 am
Ooh – is RB gonna burst a blood vessel all over the blog?
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:53 am
upstairs
td
January 11th, 2013
10:55 am
TBS
January 11th, 2013
10:52 am
td
Cool. You must be a bad shot. I don’t know many people who hunt deer with a 20 rd magazine.
Do not usually hunt with the 20 round clip but I picked it up a few years ago at a gun show.
will-o-the-wisp
January 11th, 2013
10:56 am
well, when i escaped that feces pit you call georgia/atlanta after the olympics, and arrived on my mountain 10,000 feet above sea level, there was permafrost about 8″ down — gone now, did not find any when digging for new septic tank, so where did it go; and, in summer (grasses) grow up to about 13,000 feet.
alittlecommonsense
January 11th, 2013
11:02 am
I love the fact that we can now blame every weather phenomenon on CO2. What used to be “Global Warming” is now just “Climate Change”.
Lots of Hurricanes? Climate Change!
Drought? Climate Change!
Flooding? Climate Change!
Snow in the Desert? Climate Change!
Mudslides? Climate Change!
Earthquake? Sure – let’s even blame that on Climate Change!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 11th, 2013
11:05 am
WOW — “in summer (grasses) grow up to about 13,000 feet.”
That’s some TALL effing grass.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 11th, 2013
11:09 am
td: “Like I said the AR-15 looks like the M-16 so therefore in the eyes of you progressives it must be bad and should be banned. Typical logic of the left”
“Must be bad”? “Should be banned”? Naah. Just should be made next to impossible to get.
You see, you’re getting all defensive and categorical about it.
In any case the weapon more than “looks like” the M-16. It was the basis for its development. Kind of a big difference you know.
“”I hunt with a 30.06 semi auto rifle and I have a 20 round clip for it. It has a great deal more knock down power then the .223 AR-15 so that means it will kill a person easier then the AR-15″
See, you’re getting all lost in hair-splitting again. I’m not saying ban one but not the other, or just ban one type. I’m saying basically BAN ALL of them.
See? Nicccce and simple.
And people who have a problem with that and want to hoard these slaughter tools should be forced to swallow that pill. And when they refuse, they should be prosecuted and incarcerated.
Now how’s THAT for “totalitarian leftist” for you?
will-o-the-wisp
January 11th, 2013
11:11 am
no, the grasses grow on mountains at that elevation; and, the oxygen content is less than 40 percent of what you get, and in drought of 2012 it was these grasses that would ignite first initiating forest fires.
dbm
January 11th, 2013
11:53 am
I saw several posts taking the cheap, easy way and just ridiculing F. Sinkwich. Finally Steve took the more constructive path and posted a helpful link.
I don’t have time to read all the posts. Did someone post a link to a meteorology site that contains info on just how increased average temperatures cause more extreme weather of all kinds? If not, I hope someone does. I might even do it if I can find the time (LOL) to locate such a site and find out how to post a link.
Mr Right
January 11th, 2013
12:03 pm
Where is Al Gore when we need him ? Oh, he is soaking in his big oil money he just recieved!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 11th, 2013
1:51 pm
Once again the Republican Conservative types are on the wrong side of Science.
Im stunned.
They are however slowly coming around.
According to a new survey from the Pew Research Center, 48 percent of self-identified Republicans said there is “solid evidence” of climate change. That number is up 5 points from last year and 13 points from 2009. Still the figure is lower than what it was in 2006 and 2007, and right about where it stood in 2008.
dbm
January 11th, 2013
2:17 pm
indigo
January 11th, 2013
8:50 am
“Runaway business greed” has very little to do with it. It is mainly due to the following:
1. It was not possible to be sure what was happening until the process had been going for a while.
2. Weather and climate are very complicated phenomena, leaving lots of room for confusion and misunderstanding.
3. The “cry wolf” phenomenon. There has been a long history of the left coming up with various concerns and alarms which are touted as justifying this government intervention or that, but which usually don’t. Those who understand this process and/or have practical knowledge of the damage it does have to resist it as best they can. Many of these people perceive climate change as another example of this, and are thus very skeptical. I think this time there really is a wolf, but the skepticism is very understandable.
4. To the extent that anyone exaggerated the strength of the scientific case or the scientific consensus at an early stage when they weren’t so strong, or that anyone used invalid arguments to push the issue, this would tend to reinforce the skepticism.
5. Vague thinking about the “common good”, as opposed to focusing clearly on the point that individual humans are or will be physically aggressed against by climate change, slows down the process of recognizing that government action is appropriate.
Christian Conservative
January 11th, 2013
3:13 pm
So making people pay more for gas and electricity will solve all these problems… Go figure….
dbm
January 13th, 2013
9:02 pm
I forgot one.
6. Non-Western nations so far have been reluctant to get on board. Is this “runaway greed” on their part?