Who wins a GOP civil war? The Democrats do

In the days to come, we’ll be witness to bitter and increasingly personal battles fought out in Washington over issues that range from Hurricane Sandy relief efforts to immigration reform and the debt ceiling.

And of course, that’s just among the Republicans. Deep divides are already apparent within the party on how to approach those and other issues, and it’s hard to envision how those differences will be resolved any time soon. To the contrary, in the frustration of defeat, many in the party have begun to turn on each other, raising the very real specter of a GOP civil war.

In the words of Josh Kraushaar, executive editor of National Journal, “I’ve long been skeptical about the feasibility of a third party, but I’m beginning to entertain the possibility that the GOP could become split apart as these policy debates come to the fore…. Is it that much of a stretch to believe that by 2016, the grassroots base will have taken control of the Republican Party, and the establishment will be looking to bolt?”

I know what he means, because I’ve been having similar thoughts myself. Talk of third parties has always been silly in my experience, largely because we operate in a political environment in which two parties are the stable status quo. That said, I also can’t recall seeing a party so at odds with itself as the modern GOP.

Senate Republicans are sniping at their counterparts in the House, who in turn dismiss GOP senators as enemy collaborators. Northeast Republicans publicly accuse the party of caring only about the South, and half the party lives in fear of being labeled RINO by the other half. The party’s professionals blame its predicament on a lack of realism within the GOP media, while the conservative entertainment industry attacks party professionals as profiteers who lack a true commitment to the cause.

Part of the internal rancor can be explained by the nature of the GOP in recent years. When you turn inflexibility into a core party value, you make it all but impossible to make adjustments when the wind changes.

In addition, GOP leadership adopted a strategy of turning Barack Obama into the personification of all that its base feared and opposed, inspiring its followers with the belief that by defeating Obama they would “take back the country.” When it turned out that a majority of their fellow Americans did not want the country “taken back,” the revelation left many in the GOP stunned, uncertain of what to do next.

Perhaps most important, the GOP has functioned more as a fervent social crusade than as a political party. Certain of victory and fired by righteousness, important elements of the national party have shown little capacity for handling defeat. They have no ability to think in terms of minimizing loss and living to fight another day. They fail to understand that retreat need not mean surrender, and that compromise is not capitulation. And that lack of strategic vision threatens to turn retreat into a rout.

The wiser among them understand that, yet they also seem helpless to prevent it. In an op-ed back in December in the Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove in effect begged Barack Obama to save the GOP from a civil war with itself, warning the president that Republican infighting could cause “significant collateral damage” to his second term.

More recently, columnist Charles Krauthammer took a similar tack, accusing Obama of a plot “to fracture and basically shatter the Republican opposition … His objective from the very beginning was to break the will of the Republicans in the House, and to create an internal civil war. And he’s done that.”

I suspect it’s true that Obama is less than heart-broken to see his opponents in such disarray. It’s also true that he seems intent on making the most of the opportunity, forcing the Republicans to make a series of difficult, divisive policy and strategic decisions at a time when they are ill-prepared to do so.

But I have to say, it’s darkly humorous to see a take-no-prisoner political warrior such as Rove try to make the case for mercy. That is perhaps the most telling measure of the GOP’s predicament.

– Jay Bookman

371 comments Add your comment

Brad Steel

January 10th, 2013
7:59 am

Think Sarah Palin will look better without her nose?

Georgia on my mind...

January 10th, 2013
8:02 am

As long as the Democrat Party remains united and focused on the needs of the lower and middle class Americans, the country will continue to evolve and progress.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
8:07 am

The Dixiecrats were never meant to be a part of the Republican party or any other party for that matter. They should secede from the GOP.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:07 am

SO …do we toss them a life preserver or an anvil?

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
8:13 am

The members of the GOP that are willing to work with the Democrats for the good of the people and the country are free to do so. It’s their choice.

Uncle Billy

January 10th, 2013
8:17 am

The Republicans I know are having trouble comprehending that the era of the domination of the white man is over.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:19 am

I think the Foolish Clown Party will succeed well in the south. The NRA leadership can join in with them.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
8:19 am

You need to look no further than the ignorance that shows up here to understand why the GOP is so screwed up. If Jay’s jackass brigade is anywhere near representative of the current GOP voter, then one could surmise they don’t have a chance to survive this implosion. We need at least two viable parties, but right now, that option isn’t available.

H. West

January 10th, 2013
8:19 am

@Georgia on my mind…

“As long as the Democrat Party remains united and focused on the needs of the lower and middle class Americans, the country will continue to evolve and progress.’

From the CBS website MoneyWatch (no friend of the GOP) :

“The “fiscal cliff” clash in Washington may leave middle- and lower-income Americans paying more in taxes while preserving a range of tax breaks for various industries and businesses.

It’s a regressive tax: The higher the income, the smaller percentage the increase represents. For everyone, meanwhile, it’s a net increase.”

-So Obama got everything he wanted out of the deal…high-fived all the Democrats in Washington, and still the “lower” and middle classes got the shaft.

Wow…that’s progress!

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:20 am

The GOP started with the goal of destroying the President by any means possible and
end up destroying themselves.

Karma’s a what?

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:21 am

It has long been no secret there is disagreement within the GOP and it raised its head highly with Obama’s first win. The talk during that time was a third party would guarantee Obama’s second win as a new third party did not have the ground game sctructure to compete. That theory is now out the window as obviously the GOP does not have the ground game either.

Conservatives do not want more compromise with Democrats as all one has to do is look where Democratic leadership with compromise from the Right has gotten us.

The idea of becoming more like the Left to have a chance of winning is ridiculous driven by Left wing propaganda.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
8:21 am

“Republicans hate everyone.”

Who knew that should be taken so literally? They even hate themselves. The Republican war on Republicans. Bunch of cannibals.

bookman parrot

January 10th, 2013
8:23 am

to Granny G.
the goal is not to destroy the president; it is to keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:24 am

Obama won the election with a majority but it was less than 51% – far from a mandate. The ground game gave him the right states to produce a large college win.

The Right may be fractured at this point, but its very premature to start writing the obituary. I think by the time Obama finishes his new term America will be sick of a Democratic presidency.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:25 am

it is to keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion

It’s foolish claims like these that show why the GOP is falling apart

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
8:26 am

“the goal is not to destroy the president; it is to keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion”

But he can only spend the money that CONGRESS allocates. If the country is “spent into oblivion” it won’t be the President who did it…it will be Congress.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
8:26 am

“the goal is not to destroy the president; it is to keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion”

Parrot, not once, not one single time has Obama threatened to change parties and become a Republican.

Road Scholar

January 10th, 2013
8:26 am

Granny @8:07: I’m putting my money into popcorn! They don’t need an anvil….just let them continue to be hard headed and cling to their automatic weapons!

Bro: True but even cockroaches have survived for centuries!

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:26 am

I can’t resist.

“Republicans hate everyone.”

No, just Progressives and bleeding hearts.

Jm

January 10th, 2013
8:27 am

meh

the GOP is not splitting up

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
8:28 am

CBS website MoneyWatch (no friend of the GOP) :

No? Who is it a friend of, then?

Road Scholar

January 10th, 2013
8:29 am

Jay, have you done an editorial on Dick Armey’s latest rant….Talk about hot button issues …and keep your mouth shut about your extreme views!

indigo

January 10th, 2013
8:30 am

Jay, I’ve been saying, for some time now, that a third Party is becomming more and more likely.

Your response, and those of others here, has been to ridicule me.

But, now that the great pundit Josh Kraushaar is saying something similar, you now think it’s not so ridiculous after all.

Looks like I’m not quite as dumb as you and others think.

Road Scholar

January 10th, 2013
8:30 am

If you have a problem, the first step is admitting you have a problem. GOP…not!

Mick

January 10th, 2013
8:30 am

**keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion**

That’s right, the repubs have done a bang up job all by themselves…

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:30 am

bookman parrot

January 10th, 2013
8:23 am

to Granny G.
the goal is not to destroy the president; it is to keep him from damaging the country and spending it into oblivion
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Please proceed.

TiredOfIt

January 10th, 2013
8:31 am

I think the tea party would make a great turd party.

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:31 am

Actually, no JohnnyReb, Obama won 51.06 percent of the vote.

Jay

January 10th, 2013
8:31 am

JohnnyReb, Obama won slightly more than 51 percent of the vote. By doing so, he became the first president since Eisenhower to get at least 51 percent in two different election cycles.

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:32 am

hehe

What Jay said….

curious

January 10th, 2013
8:33 am

Unfortunately, the Republicans had rather see the country go into oblivion than to compromise with the Democrats. Each party needs to give a little.

George wallace’s insane resistance to intergration just accelerated the process.
The NRA’s refusal to help develop sensible solutions to gun control will eventually have the opposite effect.

The Military has been successful because they adapt to new policies and make them work rather than stomping their feet and pouting.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:33 am

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:24 am

Obama won the election with a majority but it was less than 51%
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Keep up. It was just over 51.06% …First President since Ike to do it two terms in a row.

I liked Ike. Now there was a Republican to admire.

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
8:34 am

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:35 am

OK, OK, Barry got 51.06. The last I had read was less than 51. I still think the Left is trying to make more of his win than it actually was. Of course, I’m still shaking my head over his first win. And, all my reservations of that continue to come true.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:35 am

The GOP will attempt to purge itself of the obstructionists even if
it means giving up House seats to the Democrats in 2014.

SBinF

January 10th, 2013
8:37 am

“Obama won the election with a majority but it was less than 51% – far from a mandate. The ground game gave him the right states to produce a large college win.”

That isn’t true. Though, I love how folks are seeking to diminish Obama’s win. You know, he only won by 51%, so somehow he doesn’t have legitimacy. Funny, when he won by 7 points in 2008, people still claimed he was illegitimate. Such specious reasoning shows that these people have no credibility. No matter what Obama’s margin of victory, people would still be claiming that he doesn’t have a mandate.

He won the election, handily. Get over it.

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:38 am

One more thing – it was not exactly a Reagan win, now was it? Plus, it was not a win that supports the fundamental changes Obama and some here want to make. It’s tearing the Country apart.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:38 am

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:35 am

OK, OK, Barry got 51.06. The last I had read was less than 51. I still think the Left is trying to make more of his win than it actually was. Of course, I’m still shaking my head over his first win. And, all my reservations of that continue to come true.
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I would suggest the GOP is trying to make less of his win…..anything for cover I suppose.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
8:39 am

Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Fox and Friends, Victoria Jackson, Orly Taitz, Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Pat Robertson, Sean Hannity, Ted Nugent…

If the Republicans split up who gets the children?

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:39 am

I can’t wait to see who Obama will pick for President 2016, it may be
Jeb Bush.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
8:39 am

JohnnyReb

January 10th, 2013
8:38 am

One more thing – it was not exactly a Reagan win, now was it? Plus, it was not a win that supports the fundamental changes Obama and some here want to make. It’s tearing the Country apart.
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Piffle

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
8:39 am

sorry LEFTIES
2nd A. @ work
none of the ATLANTA SCUM will go out to LOGANVILLE now to commit crime……… they need to go break in the LEFTIES part of town where they serve tea and crumpets to intruders

http://news.yahoo.com/mom-shot-intruder-inspires-gun-control-foes-003753089.html

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 10th, 2013
8:40 am

TiredOfIt – that was a good one! Made me smile this early in the morning even without coffee.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
8:40 am

Well, we’ll never get back to the 1950s this way. Seems to me we’re more and more the way we was before the Civil War—a bunch of Abolitionists on one side and some good Conservatives on the other side. Heck, it’s got so bad we scream bloody murder when the Kenyan Socialist wants to appoint a Republican to the cabinet. We got one of them Polish pistols—you know, the kind where the barrel is pointed back toward the shooter. You don’t need to be no Norman Einsteen to see we can’t win this way.

Just dang!

Have a good Thursday everybody.

Skip

January 10th, 2013
8:41 am

I don’t take it as my taxes going up, just going back to where they should be.

Shar

January 10th, 2013
8:42 am

The GOP has actively embraced the strategy of “firing up the base” through alarmist fearmongering on social issues and turning a blind eye to verbal excesses on the part of right wing commentators. The establishment Republicans who cultivated this strategy to induce the support of people they actually hold in deep contempt are now astonished when these self-same folks are trying to lead the party instead of following along like they were supposed to. Karma, indeed.

While there is a guilty schadenfreude feeling watching the writhing of these two diametrically opposed groups as they grapple with each other, the country as a whole loses. We have already lost important centrist minds and experience in the House and Senate and the bloodletting will continue until the Republicans resolve what seems to be insolvable. To me, the best thing would be for the party to split, allowing the far right wing to offer its positions to the country and the centrists to refocus on their traditional strengths, fiscal conservatism (although they have failed utterly to practice it) and strong defense. The country would benefit from this freer exchange of ideas and we would not be held hostage by selfish political manoeuvering.

It would also help to establish civilian boards to define political districts, as a required civic duty like serving on a jury. We simply must take the henhouse away from the foxes.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:44 am

Johnny Reb
It’s tearing the Country apart.
………………………………………………
I remember the Johnson era, Vietnam, Medicare, street front lawyers, cries
were that it was socialism/communism but the most vocal against Medicare
at the time will rip your arm off if you touch it now. The USA is stronger than
politics and media.

Jhunt163

January 10th, 2013
8:45 am

JohnnyReb I agree with you, I am tired of capitulation and I think most conservatives are as well. Whether it be with the Supreme Court’s fear of FDR packing the court, John Roberts fear of upsetting court history, or the media allowing the D’s to frame debates that R’s hate children, hate women, hate families, which couldn’t be further from the truth. We are getting what we deserve and should have never allowed these programs we can’t afford.

SBinF

January 10th, 2013
8:45 am

And you’d better believe that if Mitt had won with ANY percentage, 48%, 50%, 50.6%, every con this side of the Himalayas would be shouting from the rooftops how the country has spoken and Mitt has a mandate to do what he wants.

SBinF

January 10th, 2013
8:46 am

” or the media allowing the D’s to frame debates that R’s hate children, hate women, hate families, which couldn’t be further from the truth.”

The media made Todd Akin make those idiotic comments about rape?

Really?

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
8:49 am

Republicans are like the Irish we will fight with anyone.

If no one is available to fight we fight amongst ourselves.

:-)

Jhunt163

January 10th, 2013
8:51 am

Actually SBinF I was talking about Welfare and Medicaid spending. I am a fiscal conservative. I could actually care less about social issues other than it is quite obvious there is a breakdown in two parent families which is causing much of problems we are seeing today.

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 10th, 2013
8:53 am

SBinF – I agree, the media is forcing the Republicans to make all of these crazy statements. Who knew!

So to JHunt163, guess that means that no one can trust anything a Republican says to anyone in the media. We have to wait for the secret 47% tapes to be released to see the real side of the Republican party.

the cat

January 10th, 2013
8:53 am

jhunt=-transvaginal probe ring a bell????

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
8:53 am

“We are getting what we deserve and should have never allowed these programs we can’t afford.”

Jhunt makes a good point, Republicans are getting what they deserve. FDR gave us the New Deal, Bush gave us the Whatta Deal!!

The Whatta Deal!! gave us two very expensive unfunded wars, unfunded socialist Medicare Part D, unfunded Dept of Homeland Security, earmark spending spree and topped it off with massive tax cuts. Republicans are getting what the deserve.

As usual Republicans are divorced from reality.

Mtneer

January 10th, 2013
8:53 am

H. West: From the CBS website MoneyWatch (no friend of the GOP) :

Better fact check that! CBS sold that site to the Wall Street Journal which is nothing more than Fox News in Print!

liberal hack

January 10th, 2013
8:54 am

Jay is right, the Repubs are two factions and there will be a third party. He is also right in saying the Democrats will probably forever continue to govern which it’ll turn to ruling.

Jay, I have to disagree w/ you about repubs refusing to change or are willing to compromise, during the negotiations to avoid the “fiscal cliff” Obama openly agreed to change how inflation increases SS payments and H. Reid said openly he was against that, many other Democrats screamed bloody murder too!

This country is in a fiscal mess and BOTH major political parties are to blame!

Going back to the Clinton tax rates will not fix the fiscal mess, cutting out all oil and gas subsidies will not help, cutting the defense budget by 90% will not help, why you ask? Democrats want to increase spending on just about everything else.

SBinF

January 10th, 2013
8:54 am

“it is quite obvious there is a breakdown in two parent families which is causing much of problems we are seeing today.”

Is it obvious? How so?

appleseed

January 10th, 2013
8:57 am

Obama just a simple community organizer,why you repubs so afraid?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
8:58 am

those crazy hypocritical 1%er lefties

happy ending al gore selling out american workers to make a buck and letting foreigners take over……….

he’s become a republican
good for him

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/al-gore-richer-romney-thanks-current-tv-sale-165155218.html

HDB

January 10th, 2013
8:59 am

In the short term, the Democrats will come out ahead because they can deliver a populist message more effectively; in the long run, the nation will come out ahead because this now forces the GOP to face certain facts…..

1) The GOP can’t any longer be viewed as the WOP (Whites Only Party) because of the changing demographics
2) The GOP will have to develop new sets of MEDS (MEssage Delivery Systems)….one that can make the conservative message a more attractive paradigm to listen to
3) The GOP will have to exercise the extremists from the party
4) The GOP will be forced to come into communities it has heretofore ignored and marginalized
5) The GOP will have to quit using (for lack of a better word….) lackeys to spread a message that persists in denigrating certain groups and ethnicities
6) The GOP will be forced to COMPROMISE on policy issues for the betterment of the nation

The faster this is done, the better the nation will be for it…………..

Skip

January 10th, 2013
8:59 am

When the Falcons win the Super Bowl by 3 in overtime be sure to remind them it’s not really a victory. Right J. Reb?

Just Saying..

January 10th, 2013
8:59 am

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 10th, 2013
9:01 am

Liberal hack – I disagree with your statement “Democrats want to increase spending on just about everything else.” because as a Progressive I don’t want to see increases in spending on everything else. I want to see things prioritized better. Do we really need to spend more than the next 14 countries combined on defense? Maybe not, so by decreasing spending there we can allocate some of that money to debt reduction and other programs.

To me that is the responsible approach as it is never ‘an all or nothing’ style that works.

Bob

January 10th, 2013
9:01 am

Georgia on my mind… “As long as the Democrat Party remains united and focused on the needs of the lower and middle class Americans, the country will continue to evolve and progress.”
GA, that is why we are tanking, the dem party focuses on the bottom while bring down the rest of us. Look what welfare has done, is that what you call progressing ? If you believe progress means making more people dependant on gov then we are progreeing quite well. Dems are not helping the middle, they are squeezing the middle. the middle is shrinking and the lower class is increasing and the dem party thinks that is a good thing, more people dependant on gov = more dem voters.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
9:01 am

HDB

as Jon Lovitz/Tommy Flanagan would say

“it could happen”

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 10th, 2013
9:02 am

Uncle Sam is deflecterbating again.

Lynnie Gal

January 10th, 2013
9:02 am

The GOP blessed the feet of the Tea Party when the angry, irrational seniors who were mostly on Medicare and Social Security burst into town halls to try to prevent other younger workers from getting health care. Now, the crazy grannies and gramps are running amok, threatening to take down everyone in the GOP who doesn’t continue to worship at their ideological feet. The GOP and their wealthy corporate masters created this monster–let ‘em deal with the crazies now.

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
9:03 am

If the Republicans would quit crossbreeding with Faux and talk radio they might not be saddled with a base of screeching nutcases. Already this morning we’ve had the “Obama only got 51%” “What war on women?” and other such meme faves.
When people’s livelihood depends on continuous anger and poo-slinging, they’ll make every show sound like it’s Lexington all over again.

And that’s how we get our con regulars here every day, absolutely positively convinced they are the reincarnation of the Founding Fathers vs. the unwashed ignorant masses who need to be lead like children by their benevolent white daddies.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
9:04 am

poor jay

he’s touting the likes of ROVE and KRAUTHAMMER when they are the voices of the ESTABLISHMENT trying to hold onto power…………..

when the dust settles and the ESTABLISHMENT loses power……………. JAY might not like what emerges…………. HE THINKS IT WILL BE THE loud nutty righties……………. it might be the SILENT MAJORITY

MiltonMan

January 10th, 2013
9:04 am

Democratic party wins; American public loses. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, good about having a dominant one party. Libs who want to see the destruction of the GOP are the same libs who received their “education” from the APS.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
9:06 am

JohnnyReb,

Let go of your unskewed polls. Karl Rove did and you can too.

Uncle Billy

January 10th, 2013
9:06 am

Johnny Reb, The Civil War was over in 1865. The Rebs lost.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
9:06 am

“There is nothing, absolutely nothing, good about having a dominant one party.”

Right MiltonMan!!! Like you voted for Roy Barnes!!!!

:-)

Just Saying..

January 10th, 2013
9:07 am

JohnnyReb “…but it was less than 51%”

Johnny: Your Party needs to make peace with math.
Obama is the first President since Eisenhower to win two elections with over 51% of the popular vote.

MiltonMan

January 10th, 2013
9:07 am

“GA, that is why we are tanking, the dem party focuses on the bottom while bring down the rest of us. ”

Come visit us up here in North Fulton – new schools being built which will be as good if not better than the existing schools in the area, new neighborhoods, low crime. low unemployment, etc., etc.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
9:08 am

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, good about having a dominant one party.

Can it be that MiltonMan actually learned a valuable lesson from the GWB-GOP reign.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
9:08 am

Conservatives do not want more compromise with Democrats as all one has to do is look where Democratic leadership with compromise from the Right has gotten us.

The idea of becoming more like the Left to have a chance of winning is ridiculous driven by Left wing propaganda.

And here in a nutshell you see the problem. And JohnnyReb? you are it. Every one of your precious ideals and FOXBOT views is NOT good for the Country anymore than every one of Nancy Pelosi’s are. Our form of Government was FOUNDED on compromise, the founding fathers designed it that way.

But here comes Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdoch with their profit driven propaganda machine brainwashing the weak and all of a sudden, compromise and reasonableness is EVIL? Really? Have you lost your mind? Look at your own words.

Day after day you call me and a couple of others “lirerals” because we don’t subscribe to your far right FOXBOT lunacy. You use the Rush/Foxbot term ‘RINO” for those in your own party who don’t subscribe to the FOXBOT/Rush propaganda. In short, you hard core brainwashed by the propaganda folks are completely insane. And you get mad at sane people like me for telling you so.

The lefties here are happy and gloating. I’m not. I fell we NEED a strong right wing just as we need a strong left wing. We NEED the Republicans to put the brakes on some of the over zealous social programs of the left just as we need the left to drag the right kicking and screaming into this century. We need you both cowboy and right now the Right is letting down the Country with this ignorant crap they have been doing. Rush IS a big fat idiot and to have him as the face and mouth of your party is crazy. Is HIS drugged up immoral four times divorced ass the example that you want YOUR grand kids to emulate? Is Rupert Murdoch’s slimy invasive, illegal media practices YOUR values? I doubt it, so why do you make them your values?

Wake up and smell the coffee JR. Free your mind from the propaganda and the lunacy of “us again them” and see where working together has gotten us. We USED to be the greatest show on earth, but divided? We are crap. Quit supporting division and hate.

HDB

January 10th, 2013
9:08 am

MiltonMan
January 10th, 2013
9:04 am

It’s not the destruction of the GOP that people (even liberals) want……what we want is for the GOP to pull its collective head out and deal with reality!! I’d like for the GOP to actually campaign in the inner cities; I’d like for the GOP to develop an attractive message; I’d like for the GOP to quit using racist tactics to win elections…….

As soon as Republicans pull their heads out………………

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
9:10 am

All this is well and good. But, as usual,

What about the Democrats?

(Guess your charter prohibits you from asking that one.)

Vinny

January 10th, 2013
9:11 am

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured… but not everyone must prove they are a citizen.

Now add this, Many of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.

MiltonMan

January 10th, 2013
9:12 am

“Right MiltonMan!!! Like you voted for Roy Barnes!!!!”

Thanks again for exposing your ignorance. I did vote for Barnes in 98 based upon him wanting to get rid of the flag (which he did), getting rid of tenure for teachers (which he did) but I soured on him quickly when he hosed up the 2000 redistricing maps by cramming cons into little districts – his maps were shot down by the liberal GA Supreme Court. He also screwed up the northern arc & stole money from GA 400 tolls.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
9:14 am

Good analysis, particularly about the difficulty of transforming what’s essentially a social movement into a political party.

As far as the third party: great, hope it happens and the Tea Partiers/Holders of Truth and the One True Way split off and become whatever they want to call themselves. They’ll sputter around for a while but will not find widespread support or the money to keep themselves going. Then they’ll go the way of all third parties and their members will either go off into more splinter groups, or (and this’d be something) realize they had – no – widespread – national – appeal and they will return home, just like the prodigal sons they are.

mm

January 10th, 2013
9:14 am

The repubs already tried to form a third party. The Tea Party. The Tea Party then tried to take over the republican party. The rest is history.

liberal hack

January 10th, 2013
9:15 am

Fly, I can agree we need defense spending cuts, (help me out Jay, I believe it was you that said we spend close to 700 billion on defense) but we are in trouble fiscally. Jamie Dupree, one of Jay’s colleagues said a couple of things yesterday that was interesting. One, tax revenue coming in was up 10%, some from corporation tax income, some from individual tax income, he also said, based on 1st qtr estimates, the US will run a trillion dollar deficit this year, the 5th in a row! Dupree also said if you cut all discretionary spending and left just SS and Medicare, we would still run a deficit…so to have a balanced budget, or within 50 billion or so, you would have to raise 1 trillion in taxes. That’s crazy! Truthfully we need both real tax reform and real spending reform. Will we ever see that, not with this bunch of politicians or w/ a majority of Democrats either, Danny X, we already know republicans can’t either. I hated medicare part d, unfunded wars, unfunded homeland security. But I want to point out your homeboy Obama isn’t eliminated homeland security either, in fact he’s strengthened it.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
9:16 am

“Thanks again for exposing your ignorance.”

You didn’t vote for him when Republicans were a one party state, which of course was the whole point. You could care less about one party rule when the party doing the ruling is Republican. Hypocrite.

Adam

January 10th, 2013
9:16 am

In addition, GOP leadership adopted a strategy of turning Barack Obama into the personification of all that its base feared and opposed, inspiring its followers with the belief that by defeating Obama they would “take back the country.” When it turned out that a majority of their fellow Americans did not want the country “taken back,” the revelation left many in the GOP stunned, uncertain of what to do next.

Perhaps most important, the GOP has functioned more as a fervent social crusade than as a political party. Certain of victory and fired by righteousness, important elements of the national party have shown little capacity for handling defeat. They have no ability to think in terms of minimizing loss and living to fight another day. They fail to understand that retreat need not mean surrender, and that compromise is not capitulation. And that lack of strategic vision threatens to turn retreat into a rout.

Exactly.

And their unwillingness to choose their battles reaches every sector of what they talk about. Once they have put their flag down, they never retreat and instead do pretty elaborate things to make it seem like they are winning.

See gun control, global warming, social issues, etc.

On all of these issues, evidence presented must not be responded to, and instead must be ignored in favor of pushing what they already “know,” which is that clearly your evidence is wrong because they’ve already made up their mind. Step 2 is to project their closed mindedness and other failings of logic onto the opposition.

In reality, this whole process is rooted in a deep desire to not take responsibility for ANYTHING, not even decisions. They don’t want to make decisions, because then they would be responsible for the outcome of those decisions. Instead, they just decide to fight what they don’t like without offering anything to replace it.

Truly a Party Of No.

GT

January 10th, 2013
9:17 am

Politics is a little like a card game. Obama plays a hand and we sit on the side line and watch. The Tea Party is so green they jump into this game with a bag of capital from the red states that one day woke up and realized the president was a black man. They don’t want any instructions from their elders they have so much capital and this guy is an over educated mark they plan to have in their trophy case by dinner time. Their over confidence amuses O. Everything O does they call a bluff, he has no cards. Then he lays out four aces. Just luck they say and continue to play, being begged by the elders to stop while they still have their shirts.

curious

January 10th, 2013
9:17 am

Fred,

Hope you feel better, because even though you’re right, your chance of talking any sense into some the the Conservatives, or even Liberals, is pretty small.

Jeffrey

January 10th, 2013
9:17 am

I predicted that we would have three candidates for this last presidential election. The third candidate would have a t next to their name for tea party. It didn’t happen, but if I was going to predict a third party today I would hope for an I next to their name for intelligent.

HDB

January 10th, 2013
9:18 am

MiltonMan — BTW, I DID get my education from APS….and my undergraduate degree from a state-school……..

GT

January 10th, 2013
9:19 am

The selection of the candidates for the cabinet is just the next of so many brilliant moves by the president. The guy is truly brilliant and I really think most of his moves are missed by the masses. Cantor is the one I really enjoy. He is like a villain in a movie who in the end is exposed for what he is. That cocky smile and the denials when questioned that he is up to anything sinister, he looks like a prototype banker righteous to the point of evil. They have destroyed a grand old party, they should be held accountable for the damage. They are playing the same cards they played in the 1860s, to the same old audience, still destroying whatever gets in their way.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
9:20 am

miltonman, are you one of the white liberal racists that voted for Roy in the primaries in 2010 thus blocking Thurbert Baker? or are you one of the suffering democrats that had to endure Baker being discriminated against even though his popularity in the state is HIGH?

Elections Have Consequences

January 10th, 2013
9:22 am

Still no victory lap on the recent ‘Fiscal Cliff’ spending vote, Jay? Would have thought it merited at least two blogs by now…

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:23 am

GT
They are playing the same cards they played in the 1860s, to the same old audience, still destroying whatever gets in their way.
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I don’t remember the 1860’s very well but I think they had a better candidate
and he won but came to a bad end.

Georgia

January 10th, 2013
9:23 am

The elephant graveyard in Africa has never been found. Either elephants never die, or they’re more religious than we thought. Reports of the death of conservatism are greatly exaggerated. Without conservatism and our shared responsibility in it, we’d no longer be the party of the first part, man. I don’t know what I just said.

I’m from the despised 47 and I’m here to help.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
9:24 am

As big a scandal as the fact that the Republicans are(/seem to be) imploding is the fact that the Democrats seem not to be. And until the Democratic party also implodes, or splits open like a melon, we will continue to have no chance to roll back the violent rightward jerk in our politics.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
9:25 am

Obama won the election with a majority but it was less than 51% – far from a mandate.

Well, he knew that 47% wasn’t going to vote for him anyway.

Oh wait… Nevermind, that wasn’t him.

One more thing – it was not exactly a Reagan win, now was it?

Nope, Reagan didn’t get more than 51% of the popular vote in both elections, did he?

Just admit that the GOP has had it’s ass handed to it by the Kenyan Usurper in two straight elections. Don’t blame me though, I didn’t vote for him OR Romney.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:25 am

Georgia
I don’t know what I just said.
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join the crowd……

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
9:25 am

“But I want to point out your homeboy Obama isn’t eliminated homeland security either, in fact he’s strengthened it.”

Which has nothing to do with the point I was making.