On Ashley Judd, $1 trillion coins and other matters of import

I see where Kentucky-born movie star Ashley Judd continues to talk about running for the U.S. Senate against Mitch McConnell. McConnell may be in a bit of political trouble, and as Al Franken has demonstrated, it is quite possible for a Hollywood celebrity to perform credibly in the Senate. But Minnesota ain’t Kentucky, and in this case, Judd has as much chance of becoming a U.S. senator as McConnell has of being a Hollywood leading man.

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Cyclist Lance Armstrong is scheduled to appear next week on Oprah, where he may finally, publicly confess to years of performance-enhancing drug use on the way to seven Tour de France titles, all of which have been stripped from him.

Armstrong Livestrong CyclingThe American people will supposedly forgive almost anything after a public confession, and Oprah has become our culture’s official Mother Confessor. But all the tears from all the crocodiles on the planet won’t wash away the stain on Armstrong’s reputation.

Set aside, for the moment, his use of performance-enhancing drugs and his supposedly heart-felt, offended claims of innocence. By multiple, multiple accounts, Armstrong conducted himself like a first-class, egotistical jerk throughout this entire scandal. He fooled the naive and gullible into vouching for his honesty, he strong-armed teammates into joining him in drug use, he intimidated others into silence and he conducted a decade-long campaign to ruin anybody who threatened to reveal him as he truly is, which is a self-centered, arrogant bully.

So please, Lance, spare us the dramatics and groveling. Live strong, dude.

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Speaking of cheating, arrogant, self-centered bullies,  neither Barry Bonds nor Roger Clemens got enough votes this week to be elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame. I don’t have much sympathy for those guys, and if they never get in the hall, that would be fine with me.

But let’s at least be honest with ourselves. Everybody in baseball — casual fans, baseball writers, managers, agents, the players’ union, broadcasters, team owners and MLB executives such as Bud Selig included — all knew what was going on in the steroid era, and we pretended otherwise. When punch-and-judy second basemen suddenly turn into 50-homer sluggers, and when baseball records that have lasted for decades get obliterated by multiple players, it ain’t natural and we all knew it at the time. But it was selling tickets and raising TV ratings and it was FUN! Even chicks dig the long ball, right?

The baseball establishment now seems to believe that by casting all the blame on prominent scapegoats such as Clemens and Bonds, it can expunge itself of its own guilt for that era, and it cannot and should not.

I think Bud Selig should schedule a session with Oprah.

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Finally, in the stupid-government-tricks department, there’s the $1 trillion platinum coin. According to proponents of the idea, some of them pretty prominent (see here and here and here, among others), an odd provision in federal law would allow the U.S. Treasury Department to create a coin, made out of platinum, in a $1 trillion denomination. Federal assets would suddenly increase by $1 trillion, meaning the U.S. government would no longer be running up against its congressionally imposed debt ceiling.

Voila! Problem solved!

Look, the entire debt-ceiling debate is inherently silly. I get that. Congress has voted to spend trillions and borrow trillions, and it’s totally ridiculous to pretend that it can now refuse to pay that money back, which is what it would do by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. Given all that, solving a silly, make-believe problem with a silly, make-believe coin apparently has some appeal to otherwise serious people.

But this is clown-car politics beneath the dignity of the United States of America. It also would dynamite what little credibility the governing process in this country might still retain, and it’s a mark of our decline that such a concept would even be broached.

– Jay Bookman

816 comments Add your comment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
11:52 am

I agree the trillion coin is a silly response to a silly “ceiling”. Its time to be responsible and not respond to GOP childishness with more childish stupidity.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
11:53 am

Multiple choice for topics lol.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
11:53 am

The entire debt/deficit thing is silly. We honor all our debts
by payment with dollars which we print. The world accepts
this, why doesn’t Congress?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
11:56 am

The debt ceiling is as stupid as building a custom home on credit and then saying afterword that you aren’t going to pay the loan off as the home is being built because, well, it exceeds your debt ceiling.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
11:56 am

Sorry to say that almost all of sports and Hollywood is fake.
Are steroids to be found in the community to create ‘athletes’
in the teen years?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
11:57 am

Ashley Judd is talented, hawt, and can speak in rational complete sentences, but this doesn’t translate as U.S. Senator material.

That being said, she’s a lot better than what some states send to Washington.

Simple Truths

January 10th, 2013
11:58 am

“chicks dig the long ball”

Truer words were never spoken!

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
11:59 am

I’d vote for Ashley Judd. I wouldn’t watch Mitch as a leading man.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
11:59 am

Sorry to say that almost all of sports and Hollywood is fake.

You mean that really WASn’T Abraham Lincoln in that movie that just came out? I’m so disappointed………

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm

“chicks dig the long ball”
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I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:02 pm

Ashley Judd… enough said!!

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Lance Armstrong: Dude beat cancer, so maybe people need to start juicing as part of their cancer recovery.

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MLB: All the steroids in the world will not give someone hand/eye coordination if they don’t already have it. If I were any one of them, I’d tell the Hall to kiss my ass anyway. Many people in that era were on something, so to scapegoat a few is pure bullsh*t in my book.

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$1T Coin: About as likely as me getting elected governor of Georgia in the next election. Hint: I ain’t running or even contemplating such jackassery. :)

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:02 pm

Pete Rose should be in the HoF before any of the Roid Brothers get in, but I suspect that within ten years, Barry, Mark and Roger will all get into Cooperstown. Here’s to hoping those egomaniacs never do.

Speaking of disgraces, it’s gonna be very hard to watch Dodgeball without laughing at the Armstrong scene at the bar even harder now.

Speaking of more disgraces (LOL), Mitch McConnell was never the answer to our problems. Mitch McConnell was always the problem!

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
12:02 pm

You know you’re a good upstanding liberal when you reject a bold political gambit because it’s “beneath the dignity of the United States of America”.

And just what dignity is that exactly? Tell us, please.

Simple Truths

January 10th, 2013
12:02 pm

barking frog @12:01
True. But actions speak louder than works, my friend!

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
12:03 pm

Why wouldn’t Ashley Judd be electable? She graduated with honors from Kentucky. She seems to be politically astute. What else do you need? I mean look at Newt, what was his “big” qualification to being a Congressman. What was Johnny Isackson’s?

Heck, look at Hank Johnson………..

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:04 pm

Fred ™
You mean that really WASn’T Abraham Lincoln in that movie that just came out? I’m so disappointed………
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Santa isn’t real either, sorry……….

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:05 pm

Santa isn’t real either, sorry……….

WHUT?!?!

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:05 pm

Of course, people dig dingers.

But in Japanese-size parks with 8 foot fences?

Not this lifelong baseball fan.

Give me a triple in the gap (in a man sized park) any day…

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm

“chicks dig the long ball”
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I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I guess you never saw the Braves commercials either?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtgzIFiul_w

Hoof Hearted

January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm

I agree completely on Armstrong. If he got caught, denied it at first, but came around without too much fuss and admitted it, I think most people would forgive. However, even recently, he was still claiming all of these people are liars, and this is a witch hunt, that he has NEVER done these things, etc. Who knows how many people’s lives and reputations he’s ruined over the years by using his considerable fame, money and clout to disparage and harm those who were probably just doing their jobs? I know he’s not a murderer or molester (as far as we know !), but his attitude is one of the most corrosive and evil types there is.

td

January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm

Jay,

I wander why you did not mention anything about this “war on women” in the Obama cabinet that the MSNBC crowd has made their lead story all morning? Rhetorical question so you do not have to answer.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
12:07 pm

Santa isn’t real either, sorry……….

Alright buddy, that is just WAY over the line. You apologize to Santa RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
12:09 pm

:roll: Suddenly the wingnuts want to claim a war on women but not admit their own war. :lol: rightttt. By the way, was Susan Rice NOT a female?

Matti

January 10th, 2013
12:09 pm

barking frog,

I do. ;)

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:10 pm

Fred ™
Alright buddy, that is just WAY over the line. You apologize to Santa RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Santa, you are real to some people most of which are under age 6.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:12 pm

Matti
congratulations, you’re my first. I won’t forget you and
I will respect you in the morning.

indigo

January 10th, 2013
12:12 pm

Personally, I don’t give a flying frack as to what drugs Armstrong, Bonds and Clemons did or did not take.

However, when it comes to being “naive and gullible, Kentucky’s majority electorate are right up there with Georgia’s in keeping someone like McConnell in office.

And, “cheating, arrogant, self-centered bullies” is an apt description of those powerful Republican politicians who are systematically trying their best to turn America into a Christian fundamentalist kingdom.

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:13 pm

I bet barking frog didn’t clap for Tinkerbell either.

B@stard.

KamWhack

January 10th, 2013
12:13 pm

“He fooled the naive and gullible into vouching for his honesty, he strong-armed teammates into joining him in drug use, he intimidated others into silence and he conducted a decade-long campaign to ruin anybody who threatened to reveal him as he truly is, which is a self-centered, arrogant bully.”

My goodness, we’ve finally written Bill Clinton’s biography.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
12:13 pm

Holy Moley! Have I been transported to another time and place? I agree with Bookman on all 4 issues. If Ashley Judd wants to run for Congress and the folks think she best represents them, go for it. Lance Armstrong should probably go to jail. MLB ignored the likes of Clemens and Bonds. And, the platinum coin idea is one of the more asinine ideas out of DC in a while…and there’s a bunch of them! :)

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:15 pm

Aquagirl
clap and tinkerbell should not be in the same sentence.
My parents were married.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
12:18 pm

Speaking of disgraces, it’s gonna be very hard to watch Dodgeball without laughing at the Armstrong scene at the bar even harder now.

It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for ‘em.

the cat

January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm

That picture of McConell makes me think he was being vaginally probed at the time it was taken. One can only hope.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm

indigo

January 10th, 2013
12:12 pm

However, when it comes to being “naive and gullible, Kentucky’s majority electorate are right up there with Georgia’s in keeping someone like McConnell in office.

Yeah, CD2 just sent Sanford Bishop back to DC, again!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
12:20 pm

Ahh, the members of the Club of the KamScorned are returning. Obsession.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
12:23 pm

Keep

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just like he
They long to be
Close to me.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:24 pm

frog, I trust they were both amphibians. (Though in this day and age, mixed marriages aren’t a big deal.)

Albany, IMUO, one of the best comedies of the past ten years or so.

My goodness, we’ve finally written Bill Clinton’s biography.

That’s pretty funny.

And hearkens back to an innocent time before ODS ruled the GOP!

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:25 pm

clap and tinkerbell should not be in the same sentence.

I dunno, didn’t she spend a lot of time around those pirates?

Whatever

January 10th, 2013
12:26 pm

Does anybody know where the Constitution discusses hunting?

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:27 pm

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm
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Was the guy who said it in that video a girl ?

F. Sinkwich

January 10th, 2013
12:28 pm

“…as Al Franken has demonstrated, it is quite possible for a Hollywood celebrity to perform credibly in the Senate.”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
12:28 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:24 pm

Albany, IMUO, one of the best comedies of the past ten years or so.

Agreed. Watched parts of it last night.

larry

January 10th, 2013
12:28 pm

I would not count out Judd beating McConnell. She’s smart, intellegent, easy on the eyes and she is an outsider which would appeal to independents.

Alot of people thought the Democrat from North Dakota had no chance against her Republican counterpart, and look what happened. A major upset.

MrLiberty

January 10th, 2013
12:29 pm

On stupid coin ideas – Let’s look at the proposal.

Why bother to coin a $1Trillion coin? And why Platinum? Why not just use the worthless paper we currently use? There is absolutely NOTHING backing the current Federal Reserve Notes other than the ability of government to steal money and productivity from us to pay the debt. If a $trillion are printed out of thin air to purchase $1Trillion worth of Platinum to create a coin worth $1Trillion, then why not just use the paper to pay the debts. That is EXACTLY what they do every day! The Federal Reserve just creates money electronically or just prints it out of thin air. It is only the belief that the US government will honor its debts (and legal tender laws that FORCE us to use them) that give these worthless pieces of paper any worth at all.

The entire monetary system of the US is a complete joke. That is exactly how this coin issue should be looked at.

End the Fed. Restore the freedom to do business in sound money and allow the market to decide what will be our new money. Gold and Silver will win out.

skipper

January 10th, 2013
12:30 pm

HEY FOLKS;
People (Lord help us) voted Cynthia McKinney in, and she is a loony’s loony! So, Ashley Judd, an honor grad, could still make it……..I am not sure she may be the best choice, but I would take her (or most recently released prisoners) over McKinney!

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:31 pm

Whatever
Does anybody know where the Constitution discusses hunting?
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Is hunting unconstitutional ?

larry

January 10th, 2013
12:31 pm

Wasnt Reagan a Hollywood celebrity? And Gopher from the love boat ?

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
12:31 pm

Td:

I note you passed on responding re: Erskine Bowles.

Not up to the challenge?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:32 pm

JAY

you forgot to tell how Al Gore is richer than Romney now by selling his Current TV to BIG OIL

so much for GLOBAL WARMING

I wonder if the new AL-JAZ will have any LEFTIES talking about stopping the use of OIL?????

guess all the liberals will have only 1 choice to watch now, MSNBC………………. uhhh I mean NBC…………. MICROSOFT wanted a DIVORCE

Whatever

January 10th, 2013
12:33 pm

Barking,

Hunting is not constitutionally protected as far as I know but the right to bear arms is. I just love how the left is trying to make hunters feel better by talking about ‘guns not needed for hunting’.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:33 pm

skipper

she was voted in by DEKALB COUNTY

enough said!!!!!!!

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:33 pm

Aquagirl
clap and tinkerbell should not be in the same sentence.

I dunno, didn’t she spend a lot of time around those pirates?
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pirates are not known for applause…

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

January 10th, 2013
12:35 pm

“Political correctness is a disease.”

“Liberals are bullies.”

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:35 pm

On the topic of juicing athletes, screw ‘em. The best commentary I saw on that was an online ad for those little yellow bracelets a few months ago. The only difference was that these said “DOUCHE” on them.

On the topic of Ashley Judd and Mitch McConnell, I think they make a terrible couple.

Wait, what? Never mind. :D

And on the topic of the $1T coin, two words. Puh. LEASE.

Even if for some insane reason we moved ahead with that plan, it’d be horribly inflationary and would pizz off bond buyers and brokers around the world. Instead, let’s just mint that coin with the words “FINANCIAL POISON” engraved on the front. Then let’s lock it in some vault at the Treasury Department and forget we ever had this conversation.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:35 pm

Yeah, CD2 just sent Sanford Bishop back to DC, again!

And CD3 sent Westmoreland back to DC. What’s your point?

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm

“Random remarks in quotations mean you should see a mental health professional”

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm

0311 — ““Liberals are bullies.”

Gimme yer lunch money, Poindexter. :D

Marc

January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! how is the debt ceiling stupid? HAVE YOU found away to spend more money than you make? Why should our government live of credit?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm

“NRA RANKS SOAR”

Jay

January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm

““…as Al Franken has demonstrated, it is quite possible for a Hollywood celebrity to perform credibly in the Senate.”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Mr. Sinkwich:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/are-republicans-scared-of-al-franken-20130109

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm

Reagan was more than a celeb. He was a union thug who headed up the union thugs.

And as for morals? The man was a California alley cat who philandered his way out of his marriage to Jane Wyman. To wit, Nancy “Just Say No” Davis was pregnant when she and Ronnie married.

And the man was a horrible actor who was in some of the worst movies ever made.

If you don’t believe me, try and watch a couple…

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm

Whatever
the right to bear arms preceded the Constitution (as did hunting)
and the government is prohibited from infringing on that right by
by the 2nd amendment.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:39 pm

Whatever

hunting down INTRUDERS is protected as well

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/cops-suspect-shot-by-loganville-mom-had-cased-anot/nTpkR/

every liberals worse nightmare
a soccer mom who is armed and is willing to use it………

but is she RACIST for it?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
12:39 pm

One more topic:
Consumer finance agency bids to stop predatory lending

Boiled down, the new rules force lenders to take responsibility for the loans they write. It will no longer be possible for lenders to say a customer bears all the responsibility for what they sign.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/10/consumer_finance_agency_bids_to_stop_predatory_lending/

Get em’ Senator Warren!

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm

0311 — “NRA RANKS SOAR”

Your spelling and punctuation could use some work. Here, lemme fix that.

NRA RANK, SORE

There you go. MUCH better. :D

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm

barking frog, no one is planning to infringe on your 2nd amendment rights, dude.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:36 pm
“Random remarks in quotations mean you should see a mental health professional”
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Surely you see the irony here.

larry

January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm

As far as juicing goes, If Dale Murphy cant make the hall, then they shouldnt.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
12:42 pm

Get em’ Senator Warren!

Yeah, baby!

A neocon’s worst nightmare.

That woman has more moral courage to stand up to the banksters and Titans of Malfeasance than 20 Republican men put together!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm

Oy vey Marc…. the debt ceiling is saying to our creditors, bond holders and the world markets, “you know those programs, things we purchased on credit, well, we decided not to pay for them.” Try that on your home credit. the debt ceiling has little to do with spending and revenue. Debt is a result of prior spending.

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm

Surely you see the irony here.

I’ve voted Republican, so it’s not like I’ve ever claimed to be playing with a full deck of cards. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Bwaahahahahahahaha”

Better Al Franken than freakin’ GOPHER. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Love_Boat#Cast

td

January 10th, 2013
12:43 pm

“1995 footage of Attorney General Eric Holder, when he was the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. In his remarks before the Woman’s National Democratic Club, broadcast by CSPAN 2, Holder said people should be ashamed to own guns, just the way that cigarette smokes now “cower outside of buildings” to smoke.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2013/01/10/eric-holder-gun-owners-should-cower-shame-smokers#ixzz2HayIGPt1

And this is the person on a team that is suppose to give gun owners the peace of mind that these people do not want our guns. Right.

skipper

January 10th, 2013
12:44 pm

I am definitely independant, but I talked to a hard-working (some would say redneck) guy in Sanford Bishop’s district. Yeah, an ole white-guy. He said “Man, he was there when I needed him; so I supported him and voted for him.”
’nuff said.

larry

January 10th, 2013
12:44 pm

The NRA ? Soaring ?

The gun lobbying group now has a negative favorability rating, down 10 points since the week before CEO Wayne LaPierre’s press conference, during which he called for more guns in schools and blamed media glorification of violence. Just 42 percent of respondents approved of the NRA, while 45 percent now view it unfavorably, according to a new survey by Public Policy Polling. Fifty percent of the public also rejected the NRA’s proposal for more guns in schools, and 64 percent oppose another idea to arm teachers. Gun owners also oppose arming teachers. Only a narrow margin of Republicans support the push for more guns in school, with 39 percent against.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

January 10th, 2013
12:44 pm

Jay, you missed mentioning Trump threatening to sue Bill Maher for supposedly welching on a bet to donate $5 million to charity if Trump could produce documentation that he wasn’t spawned from an orangutan. Trump claims he showed the documentation to Jay Leno and now wants Maher to pay up or he’ll sue.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:45 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
12:41 pm
barking frog, no one is planning to infringe on your 2nd amendment rights, dude.
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cite please.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:45 pm

hunting down INTRUDERS is protected as well

Dude, I don’t think that mom hunted anybody down. Retreating to the safey of the crawl space is not a hunting technique. That’s called protecting your children, and she did everything that she’s legally entitled to do to protect her kids. Why try to make a saint out of someone who simply did what they had to do? Have you ever shot someone on purpose?

td

January 10th, 2013
12:46 pm

One more telling comment about Holder and the entire progressive movement.

At the end of this clip, Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to “really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2013/01/10/eric-holder-gun-owners-should-cower-shame-smokers#ixzz2Hb0HN575

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:47 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:47 pm

Q: How many NRA members does it take to change a light bulb?

A: No members, but MOAR GUNZ.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:47 pm

Aquagirl
Surely you see the irony here.

I’ve voted Republican, so it’s not like I’ve ever claimed to be playing with a full deck of cards. :)
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and I did it multiple times, silly me.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
12:48 pm

barking frog wrote “cite please.”

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barking frog, no one is planning to infringe on your 2nd amendment rights, dude.
There you go!

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:48 pm

bro
all americans are gulity of murder……….. we go into iraq, afghanistan and pakistan killing civilians in the name of security

E PLURIBUS UNUM

we are all one……….. therefore we bear responsibility for the deaths of children by the OBAMA administration

Jay

January 10th, 2013
12:49 pm

The Holder quote, in a speech to a Washington DC audience:

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoked all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.”

Only gun extremists would find anything the slightest bit controversial about that quote. When you’ve got young people in DC shooting each other to death, Holder actually proposed trying to change attitudes and make it uncool to carry firearms.

There is no suggestion of government confiscation of firearms. No suggestion of gun bans. And any claim otherwise is simply foolish.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

January 10th, 2013
12:50 pm

therefore we bear responsibility for the deaths of children by the OBAMA administration

And the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and the Reagan administration, and the Ford administration, and the Nixon administration, and….

We are nothing if not a violent species.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:50 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

That ain’t what I asked you. One more time just in case you didn’t understand my question to you…

Have you ever shot someone on purpose?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
12:51 pm

And any claim otherwise is simply foolish.

Consider the source.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

January 10th, 2013
12:51 pm

There is no suggestion of government confiscation of firearms. No suggestion of gun bans. And any claim otherwise is simply foolish.

Which means people like td have to make it up from thin air and repeat it enough times to hope that the gullible will believe it.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm

Wow! Surprised Jay didn’t bring up Al “Crappy Pants” Roker.

Saw where he gave an interview and told the interviewer that once, when he ate something he shouldn’t of at the white house, he crapped in his pants, (and a gun wasn’t to his head either!)

well oh sh##tty pants had to haul to the boys room and then take off those sh##tty drawers. He said afterwards he had to Commando.

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING in this world is as disgusting as imagining old sh###tty drawers commando! And probably still smelling like sh##t.

I bet ole dubya was at his desk, smelling sh##t, thinking that either Rove or DirtyDick desperately needed mouth wash but was too afraid of either one of them to say anything!

I bet the maid, (I hope to GOD she was black!), cleaning out the bathroom and saw those sh##tty drawers said, “Damn Dubya! didn’t his mama teach him how to wipe his azz!?! ” then she sent a picture to all her friends on MySpace and called it, “that nasty stanking white boy’s nasty stanking sh##tty drawers”.

Al “Sh###tty Drawers” Roker, going commando (EEWWWWW), should’ve at least made Jay’s list.

I’m disappointed in his, Jay’s, journalistic endeavors. This is real news! Not like that budget ceiling crap!

td

January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
12:49 pm

You seem to have missed this little part of the lecture?

At the end of this clip, Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to “really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way.”

the cat

January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm

I certainly like the way Eric Holder thinks. Thanks for the link td.

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm

Dude, I don’t think that mom hunted anybody down.

She also managed to defend her home and children with a .38 revolver instead of 15 assault weapons with high-capacity clips. Imagine that.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
12:52 pm

yes
and you?

Union

January 10th, 2013
12:53 pm

lets take that coin and invite china to a world series of poker kind of tournament.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

January 10th, 2013
12:54 pm

At the end of this clip, Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to “really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way.”

And if the Koch Brothers funded such an effort? You think our brains weren’t washed by all the anti-smoking information that has come out in the past 40 years?

Regnad Kcin

January 10th, 2013
12:54 pm

I’m still crushed about the Lance armstrong thing, and I just don’t want to talk about it. :(

I’m pretty torn about the juicing scandal – the argument could be made that Bonds was the best of all time (okay, calm down – you know that YOU could make that argument pretty easily, even if you disagree). Something’s gonna have to give in this situation.

Ashley Judd? Mitch McConnell? Whatever…

The trillion dollar coin has a certain appeal – it’s an elegantly stupid solution to a made-up, stupid problem. I’m still amazed at the conservatives who participated in a congress that passed the bills, but doesn’t want to pay for them. They probably “dine-and-dash” at the local DC eateries. The have no moral or ethical comapss, as far as I can tell, and should resign for being gluteal fedoras.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
12:54 pm

Which means people like td have to make it up from thin air and repeat it enough times to hope that the gullible will believe it.

It’s not out of thin air.

It’s repeated drudgey spam.

FLASHBACK: GUN OWNERS SHOULD ‘COWER’ IN SHAME LIKE SMOKERS…

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
12:55 pm

D. DoRight — Al “Sh###tty Drawers” Roker, going commando (EEWWWWW), should’ve at least made Jay’s list.”

Whiskey

Tango

FOXTROT

godless heathen

January 10th, 2013
12:55 pm

How about ceasing testing for PEDs altogether. See who can build the best athlete. Merk and pfiser can sponsor teams.

Hey Russia, our chemists can beat your chemists any day.

And Emory would be a football powerhouse.

td

January 10th, 2013
12:56 pm

Jay,

“There is no suggestion of government confiscation of firearms. No suggestion of gun bans. And any claim otherwise is simply foolish.”

Oh please. You know as well as I know there are many on the left that want to confiscate and ban guns. Look at the last part of Holder’s speech about brainwashing the children. Can you honestly tell me that he wants children to be brainwashed to believe that the 2nd Amendment is good and all citizens should have guns?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

January 10th, 2013
12:57 pm

Hey Russia, our chemists can beat your chemists any day.

Not so’s you’d notice. All the “Iron Curtain” countries were better at it than us.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm

Finn
thanks for the cite i’ll reference it in the future.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm

And Emory would be a football powerhouse.

getalife – they’d still need SOME athletic ability!

Joe: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/al-roker-pooped-pants-white-house-article-1.1235259

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:35 pm

Yeah, CD2 just sent Sanford Bishop back to DC, again!

And CD3 sent Westmoreland back to DC. What’s your point?

That neither the Dems or Reps are very intelligent, at times.

Regnad Kcin

January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm

“One more telling comment about Holder and the entire progressive movement…”

Here’s your sign.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
12:58 pm

Aquagirl

That goes against everything we’ve been told too, huh? People buy AR-15’s and high capacity magazines for home defense, amongst other things, right?

————————-

Kamchak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKm5xQyD2vE

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
12:59 pm

Well, it would be a real shame if old Goggle Eyes got beat by a good lookin’ actress. I mean, he’s just as good a actor as she is. He’s been acting put out for decades. She just puts out.

Anyhow, I wonder if somebody would make one of them trillion buck coins for me. I’d use it to buy me a new doublewide and a big-a$$ pickup and might even put a couple dimes in the collection plate down at the Church of Holiness.

Well, seeing as how Bookman is scraping the bottom of the barrel to come up with something to write about, what with giving us four puny topics, all I can say is I done my part to help him out here. He’s on his own from now on. He must of busted a gut writing for those old f-rts all day yesterday while leaving us to fight it out with over 1200 posts on one topic. I’d be for firing his a$$, but he’s about the only game in town, now that Wingfield needs to shut down every couple hours when his pranksters start flinging poo. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:00 pm

That neither the Dems or Reps are very intelligent, at times.

No argument from me on that one. However, I don’t try to paint one as something exclusively when I know they’re both equally at fault. ;)

jaypat

January 10th, 2013
1:01 pm

Mr. Bookman, do you have any idea of how the monetary system actually works? I don’t think so, given some of the remarks you’ve made in this post and many others in the past.

The Federal Reserve Board of Atlanta is down at 11th Street and West Peachtree. Why don’t you call them and ask them if they will explain it to you? I’m sure that there is someone there who can describe for you exactly how this works. It would be very helpful if people who are paid to comment on economic matters actually had some idea of what they were talking about.

For the record, it’s actually a double-entry accounting system. There is nothing that “backs” the currency. Its value is what someone will give you for it. No country on earth uses a system that is “backed” by anything.

The government doesn’t have to use anything to create more money.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
1:03 pm

Shorter jaypat: RON PAUL RULZ!

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
1:04 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:00 pm

That neither the Dems or Reps are very intelligent, at times.

No argument from me on that one. However, I don’t try to paint one as something exclusively when I know they’re both equally at fault.

Touche’ It’s just that D2 is my home base, so, of particular importance to me and mine.

Regnad Kcin

January 10th, 2013
1:05 pm

” Can you honestly tell me that he wants children to be brainwashed to believe that the 2nd Amendment is good and all citizens should have guns?”

td – Obviously, you still don’t understand the words that Mr. Holder is saying. Please listen as many times as necessary for you to understand all the words – then you can make a comment that makes sense (perhaps).

saywhat?

January 10th, 2013
1:05 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.
————————————————————-
Sounds like a personal problem.

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:05 pm

You know you’re a good upstanding liberal when you reject a bold political gambit because it’s “beneath the dignity of the United States of America”.

I read this and thought, “Somewhere, Phil Ochs is either smiling or wincing, not sure which.”

Peadawg

January 10th, 2013
1:05 pm

Nothing like a little spam from kam to start the afternoon.

**in b4 spamming peapup piddle comment**

BTW, doesn’t 3,000 hits = automatic HOF?? How in the world did Biggio not get in?

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
1:06 pm

jaypat
The government doesn’t have to use anything to create more money
………………………………………………………………..
technically, the government uses debt to create money…

Jay

January 10th, 2013
1:06 pm

At least two people have been shot Thursday at a high school in Taft, CAlif., KERO-TV reports.

The condition of the victims was not immediately clear.

The shooter was taken into custody at Taft High School around 9 am. local time, says KERO, which reports that it got a tip on the shooting from people hiding in closets inside the school.

KGET-TV reports that three ambulances and a medevac helicopter have been sent to the scene.

KERO said officers form the Kern County sheriff’s department were going room–by-room to secure the school.”

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
1:06 pm

Peadawg

January 10th, 2013
1:06 pm

“I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.”

You’re mom said it last night.

**sry…couldn’t help it. i’m sure this will get moderated”

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
1:08 pm

say what?
barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.
————————————————————-
Sounds like a personal problem.
……………………………………………………..
say what?

JAWJA

January 10th, 2013
1:09 pm

RUN ASHLEY RUN!

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:09 pm

I think the White House’s official line on the $1T coin is exactly right. Don’t rule it out entirely.

And to make it clear, I’m in disagreement with Jay on whether this is somehow “beneath [our] dignity”. It is, as smarter men than me have said, a silly but benign solution to a silly but potentially horrific problem.

If Congress wants to decrease the growth of the debt, they can pass budgets that do this. Continually playing chicken over the debt ceiling is unacceptable. (It’s fine to stomp your feet a bit and raise concern over the debt growth if you wish–obviously, both sides have indulged in this, and that’s just part of the political theater.)

Regnad Kcin

January 10th, 2013
1:09 pm

“Mr. Bookman, do you have any idea of how the monetary system actually works?… It would be very helpful if people who are paid to comment on economic matters actually had some idea of what they were talking about. For the record, it’s actually a double-entry accounting system. There is nothing that “backs” the currency. Its value is what someone will give you for it. No country on earth uses a system that is “backed” by anything.”

Jaypat – can share with us which statement of Jay’s that you are disputing?

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
1:09 pm

Peadawg
I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.”

You’re mom said it last night.

**sry…couldn’t help it. i’m sure this will get moderated”
………………………………………………………………….
gee peadawg, i’m soooo sorry….

saywhat?

January 10th, 2013
1:10 pm

Sorry frog, you set yourself up with that one. Peadawg couldn’t resist the low hanging fruit either.

Katherine Helms Cummings

January 10th, 2013
1:11 pm

I wouldn’t sell Kentucky voters or Ashley Judd short. I would donate to her campaign just as I and many others did to defeat Claire McCaskill’s challenger. I hope she does get in the race.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
1:12 pm

Stuart Smalley, a famous Republican has a message for his fellow Republicans:

My fellow Republicans, it was a horrible November, but let us remember, denial ain’t just a river in Egypt! We lost the election fair and square and because we were stupid. Lets remember, our party is still good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, there are still a few people out there that like us.

When we all say we should have nominated Elmer Fudd, well, you’re should-ing all over yourself. Its time to trace it, face it, and erase it. “No more Republican stinkin’ thinkin!”

We need to remember, we are a worthy party…and that’s…okay. We’ve been in a shame spiral, but now we must regroup. Our party needs a checkup from the neckup. You’re only as sick as your secrets, and it is no longer a secret, we haven’t been very nice, so we have already healed from our sickness.

I learned what love is from my parents. Which is that you find that one special person who was placed on the planet just for you, and then you put them through forty years of living hell, that’s why I’m sticking with the Republicans, for another 40 if that’s what it takes.

Remember fellow Republicans, you are someone.

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:13 pm

I don’t really have a dog in the HoF business, but:

Clemons and Bonds obviously burned a lot of bridges, and they’re not either of them exactly beloved figures. However, I feel fairly certain that both would have been brilliant practitioners of their respective defensive and offensive arts, banned PEDs or no banned PEDs. In short, their stats DO mean something, to me at least, and if I had a vote they’d go in the HoF.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
1:13 pm

how come all these school shootings take place in LIBERAL STATES?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
1:15 pm

Oh no Uncle Sam has pointed out a “war on liberals” :lol: :roll:

What sad inane deflection by the conned

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:16 pm

DIA

Understandable. I got moved out of D3 in the most recent shuffle. I know where you’re coming from.

Matti

January 10th, 2013
1:20 pm

td rants: At the end of this clip, Holder says anti-gun ads should run every day, and we need to “really brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way.”

That could only be a good thing for some folks, td. Maybe then they could get off the guns and start practicing their love with women instead. Trade that cold steel rush for a living, breathing human, and see what love is supposed to feel like!

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:20 pm

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
1:20 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
1:20 pm

my guess is the LEFTIES didn’t like that she made WATER BOARDING look EFFECTIVE

OSCAR SNUB: Kathryn Bigelow
One of the other big surprises of the morning was Kathryn Bigelow getting snubbed for best director. Bigelow won a best director Oscar a couple of years ago for “The Hurt Locker” and delivered a film this year – “Zero Dark Thirty” – that is just shy of being a flat out masterpiece. Just watch the raid on Osama’s compound sequence and tell me that Bigelow isn’t one of the best filmmakers around. Yet this morning, she wound up empty handed. What’s up with that?

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
1:21 pm

Sammy, James Adkisson, Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph all say hello.

Well, maybe not McVeigh…

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:21 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

Google “Heritage High School, Conyers, Georgia” and ask that question again.

RB from Gwinnett

January 10th, 2013
1:22 pm

“Only gun extremists would find anything the slightest bit controversial about that quote. ”

And only a complete friggin idiot would think a person in the position Holder is in should be in favor of “brainwashing” the American people into ANYTHING. Especially into forgoing a constitutional right.

What the hell is wrong with you?!!!

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
1:23 pm

BTW, doesn’t 3,000 hits = automatic HOF?? How in the world did Biggio not get in?

My only disappointment with yesterday’s HOF vote!

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
1:26 pm

How did Murph not get it?…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
1:26 pm

td – Obviously, you still don’t understand the words that Mr. Holder is saying.

Is anyone surprised by that? Seriously?

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:27 pm

Well, maybe not McVeigh…

in Uncle Samantha’s case, presumably that greeting will come later.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
1:28 pm

Albany, I’m guessing his middling .281 BA and his .234 BA in the post-season.

But overall his stats certainly look good enough for me…

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
1:28 pm

Good job with the silent treatment, Td. I’m impressed.

No, really. I am.

—-

So according to police reports, police officers responding to the butchery at the Aurora theater last summer nearly slipping in all the sloshing blood and guts they found on trying to enter the theater when responding to the call.

Proud of your country, td? Got your mop and sponges and your contractor bags ready? Time for another cleanup.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
1:29 pm

hey bro………. no deaths…………… southerners subdued the PUNK………….. didnt even kill himself………

LIBERALS cant subdue……….. only COWER…………

getalife

January 10th, 2013
1:29 pm

So, turkey face worked with President Obama because he is scared of Judd?

Sounds like a very powerful woman to me.

The dems tried to stop w’s massive spending with the debt so it is tit for tat playground politics.

I don’t watch Oprah.

Jay

January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm

“And only a complete friggin idiot would think a person in the position Holder is in should be in favor of “brainwashing” the American people into ANYTHING. Especially into forgoing a constitutional right.”

Always glad to see presumed gun owners demonstrate their cool, rational thought process, RB.

Of course, the fact that Holder was discussing a purely informational campaign directed at young men in D.C. who carry unpermitted, concealed firearms because they “are fascinated with violence, and more particularly fascinated with guns” won’t dissuade you in the least.

It will, however, penetrate the more rational of our readership.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm

RB — “And only a complete friggin idiot would think a person in the position Holder is in should be in favor of “brainwashing” the American people into ANYTHING.”

Please substantiate the notion that the word ‘brainwashing’ actually appears anywhere in Holder’s speech.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
1:34 pm

Please substantiate the notion that the word ‘brainwashing’ actually appears anywhere in Holder’s speech.

I’m sure he’ll jump right on that.

Right after he provides you with those fuel fleet figures.

:wink:

Ashley Judd "can" win...

January 10th, 2013
1:35 pm

Judd has as much chance of becoming a U.S. senator as McConnell has of being a Hollywood leading man.

_______________

It was once quoted “How can Ronald Reagan actor ever become president?”

Why was Ronald Reagan a Better Actor as President Than He was as Movie Star?

Ronald Reagan was an inveterate teller of anecdotes. He loved to tell people stories both about himself and others. The problem is that so many of these stories weren’t just filled with inconsistencies, many of them were outright lies. As a perfect example, consider the story that was particularly fond of telling in his later years about being part of the film crew present at the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps. Now, this isn’t simply a case of mixing up facts, thinking he was one place when in reality he was at another nearby. Ronald Reagan never left the shores of America during the entirety of World War II!
Yet few people apparently ever had trouble believing his creative memory. It can only be assumed that Ronald Reagan himself must at some subconscious level have believed in the lies; if you believe them, it isn’t lying. (Can you say George Constanza?) And that is the difference between Reagan’s acting abilities as a movie star and politician He couldn’t make a goofball George Custer believable because he probably didn’t accept the idea that the hero (or villain, depending upon your point of view) of Little Big Horn could possibly have been a goofball, but he was better as George Gipp because he believed that myth.

http://voices.yahoo.com/why-was-ronald-reagan-better-actor-as-president-147575.html

mm

January 10th, 2013
1:36 pm

“End the Fed. Restore the freedom to do business in sound money and allow the market to decide what will be our new money. Gold and Silver will win out.”

The cons have a war on reality.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
1:38 pm

So the National Child Slaughter R’US Association claims it’s gained 100,000 new members since just the Newtown slaughter it put on. Nice goin guys. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/nra-100k-new-members-after-sandy-hook-86001.html

td

January 10th, 2013
1:38 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm

Just listen to the link I provided.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:38 pm

hey bro………. no deaths…………… southerners subdued the PUNK………….. didnt even kill himself………

Damn, you got the Capt. Picard Goalposts *with Enhanced Warp Drive™ for Christmas too, huh? What does that statement have to do with the question you asked? You do remember your original question, don’t you?

UNCLE SAMANTHA
January 10th, 2013
1:13 pm

how come all these school shootings take place in LIBERAL STATES?

Last time I checked, Georgia isn’t a liberal state. That is, unless you’re saying that RB, td, JohnnyReb, Scout, Recon, and all you other conservatives are truly Liberals. Your question stated nothing beyond the school shootings themselves. In your quest to try to seem intelligent, you may want to use the Home Depot method of question asking… Ask yourself twice first to see if it makes sense, and then hit submit once.

Just a suggestion.

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:40 pm

Jay, just FYI, your third “here” link is rong.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
1:41 pm

The Debs was sitting around yesterday daydreaming, (while on a long boring conference call), and I was thinking to myself, “I wonder what a Conned Utopia would look like?”

Myriad of thoughts cross my mind like that when I’m bored to distraction, but anyway, I came up with the five things that would make a Conned world perfect:

No EPA — Dirty everything everywhere and millions sick and dying because of “Those damned Liberals”

Hunger Games — where you have a rich 1% who lives far away from the dirty, starving 99% — if the 99% want more food, they have to send their young to be killed to get it, (all for the enjoyment of the 1% of course).

Ellie May without the strength, or intellect — A conned woman will be good to look at, dumb, and easily manipulated. The negative would be that she couldn’t cook…..in the kitchen….

Eddie Long — A Conned man is righteous………..in public. In public he is the epitome of a SAVEd, strong virile male — in private he likes little boys. That’s why he needs Ellie May to be dumb; so she won’t notice that you’re supposed to have sex more than 3x a year.

Stepford Ethnic people — In Connotopia, the “ethnic” people will do as you tell them to do and say what you tell them to say. They’ll even sing and dance and shine your shoes on command.

And I know this is an extra one but can’t leave out:

Guns everywhere. In Connotopia everyone would have a gun. That kid on the corner? He has an assault rifle, (for hunting deer). That little old lady? She has a Mac 10, (for shopping at her favorite store).

In Connotopia everything would be perfect because everything would be exactly how they want it, forever and ever Amen.

td

January 10th, 2013
1:42 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
1:30 pm

Yes Jay whatever you say. Is it also not true that Holder also argued that the 2nd Amendment was written only for Militia purposes?

Jeffrey

January 10th, 2013
1:42 pm

I understand that 16 trillion dollar coins is a fantasy but doesn’t it basically tell us that inflation needs to happen It has been said we’ve never really paid the debt incurred by WWII but it is inconsequential now. Know what I mean

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
1:43 pm

Oh I do love a smorgasbord!

Ashley Judd – What with McConnell being targeted from the right, who knows? Could split the GOP vote.

Lance Armstrong – More juice than Ocean Spray.

Hall of Fame – Bravo!

Trillion dollar coin – harmless silliness as a weapon against harmful debt ceiling hostage taking – freaked out some GOP rep so bad he’s planning to introduce a bill to prevent it.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
1:44 pm

td — “Just listen to the link I provided.”

I’ll have to listen later; streaming video and audio is blocked here.

Thanks for pointing that out, though. I will watch it this evening.

td

January 10th, 2013
1:44 pm

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
1:38 pm

And I have not even re joined yet to give them the money they need to beat back this infringement on my rights.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
1:45 pm

Aquagirl

January 10th, 2013
1:45 pm

No EPA

Think of the tourist dollars, I understand flaming rivers are quite picturesque.

Adam

January 10th, 2013
1:46 pm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/taft-high-shooting-kern-county.html

Breaking: 2 reportedly shot at Taft Union High School in Kern County
January 10, 2013 | 9:59 am

At least two people were shot at Taft Union High School in Kern County on Thursday morning and the suspected shooter has been taken into custody, according to local media reports.

23ABC News in Bakersfield said that the incident happened about 9 a.m. and that the suspect was taken into custody about 20 minutes later.

The television station said it received phone calls from people hiding in closets inside the school, which was being evacuated and searched.

Calls to the Taft Police Department were not immediately returned. A Kern County sheriff’s spokesman confirmed he was heading to the scene in response to a possible shooting, but did not have additional details.

Taft Union High School District officials also could not be immediately reached for comment.

WHAT THE F***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
1:46 pm

Ashley Judd “can” win…

January 10th, 2013
1:35 pm

Kind of like Hillary’s “landing under sniper fire”?

Before someone asks…my point is, just about all of ‘em lie!

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:46 pm

freaked out some GOP rep so bad he’s planning to introduce a bill to prevent it.

yeah, good luck getting that signed into law. Why don’t they call it the “Uppity Muslim Freedom-Killing President Unilateral Disarmament Act of 2013″ while they’re at it?

Boris Badnoff

January 10th, 2013
1:46 pm

Speaking of matters of great import, why haven’t we had Bookman’s take on the departure of Freddy E?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2258627/Freddy-E-suicide-Last-tweets-hip-hop-artist-shot-dead-failed-relationship.html

He was on the verge of composing an opera that would have turned Mozart green with envy. Was it the dreaded Gun Culture? Unrequited lust for the luscious Honey Cocaine? Or reading Bookman’s Blog?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
1:47 pm

Think of the tourist dollars, I understand flaming rivers are quite picturesque\

Lake Erie was

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
1:49 pm

“but this doesn’t translate as U.S. Senator material.”

Excuse me but what exactly is U.S. Senate material? Is it the kind that spends more money than they take in? Or is it the kind that speaks one thing but does another? What exactly is Senate material? I thought it was a representative of the people. I did not know about all of those other qualities implied.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
1:50 pm

JAY

I heard an argument on Mike and Mike this morning on the Hall of Fame issue for the steriod users. It seems some have changed their opinion from disregarding entry for Bonds et al to allowing it. The position is that the Hall of Fame is about the history of baseball. As such it should not exclude the 1990’s…He suggested that many unsavory characters remain in the Hall such as Ty Cobb…of course he didn’t break the rules. I don’t see why Piazza is not in….the pall of shame surrounding him is simply acne on his back.

Perhaps they should have a separate hall within the hall….the untitled Hall Of Shame if you will. At least the history of the 1990’s with records shattered left and right but keep them apart and make the controversy, not unlike the black sox, part of the theme…

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
1:50 pm

“Think of the tourist dollars, I understand flaming rivers are quite picturesque.”

Nope that’s blooming idiots. You are confused again.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
1:50 pm

D. DoRight — “Stepford Ethnic people — In Connotopia, the “ethnic” people will do as you tell them to do and say what you tell them to say. They’ll even sing and dance and shine your shoes on command.”

Is this like that scene near the beginning of Blazing Saddles where the foreman asks the black workers for a ‘work song’ and gets a Cole Porter number instead? :D

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:51 pm

I know I shouldn’t feed the pig, but…

how come all these school shootings take place in LIBERAL STATES?

per wiki:

“Kern is a strongly Republican county in Presidential and congressional elections. The last Democratic candidate for President to win a majority in the county was Lyndon Johnson in 1964.”

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
1:52 pm

Excuse me but what exactly is U.S. Senate material?

anyone who can raise the millions of dollars necessary to run for that office.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
1:53 pm

Keep OMG! What the HELL is wrong with republicans? do we need to start adding prozac into the water system or what?

From your link:

The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes — such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina — or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

jaypat

January 10th, 2013
1:55 pm

@Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
1:03 pm
Shorter jaypat: RON PAUL RULZ!”

Ron Paul is an advocate of a “hard” money system. “Hard” money is a system wherein all the currency is “backed” by some hard commodity, such as gold or silver AND is convertible between paper, account balances, etc. and the underlying comodity.

That is the polar opposite of what I beleive. The reason no country uses it any more is because the size of the economy can never be bigger than the amount of gold on hand without adjusting the ratio of the commodity to the currency.

Adam

January 10th, 2013
1:56 pm

ANOTHER GD SCHOOL SHOOTING
When are we going to stop the madness?

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
1:56 pm

DDR,

And the icing on the Conntopia cake?

Uncle Sam swinging from a rope. Which is a bit more graphic than drowning him in a bathtub, doncha think?

Which is really quite ironic when you think about it.

(He’s supposedly white.)

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm

dB

I guess Einstein thinks that Jonesboro, Arkansas and Paducah, Kentucky are in liberal states too. Usually, I would avoid engaging the jackassery, but sometimes you have to expose ignorance for what it is.

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm

These shooting did happen until basketball season started.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
1:58 pm

Joe: Is this like that scene near the beginning of Blazing Saddles where the foreman asks the black workers for a ‘work song’ and gets a Cole Porter number instead?

Ooh you’re good!! PS: How’d ya like that sh##tty drawers link? Fun stuff huh? I will never be able to look at ole Sh##tty drawers again without laughing. And throwing up a bit thinking about him “commando” style. (shiver)

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
1:59 pm

JamVet
Uncle Sam is not real.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
1:59 pm

Excuse me but what exactly is U.S. Senate material?

Someone that will go to DC with a stated goal to govern.

Is it the kind that spends more money than they take in? Or is it the kind that speaks one thing but does another?

Ronald Reagan says, “What?”

What exactly is Senate material?

Someone that will go to DC with a stated goal to govern.

Please pay attention, that way I won’t have to repeat myself. :lol: :lol:

I thought it was a representative of the people.

Exactly. People, not party. When McConnell said that, “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President”, that was putting party above the people.

I did not know about all of those other qualities implied.

You wanna translate that into a legible question.

Which qualities?

Implied what.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
1:59 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
1:50 pm

I get no kicks from Champagne, mere alcohol doesn’t thrill me at all….but I get a belt out of you..”

At the risk of being butchered, that movie remains hysterical. Watched it again recently and the fact that fun was poked at every single ethnic group remains classic. Slim Pickens one heck of a funny man..

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
2:02 pm

frog, you keep on bursting bubbles like you’ve been doing today, you are going to fall from favor!

Good post, williebekkkind.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:03 pm

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
1:59 pm

I think it’s anyone with money who can best sell a fable of how I can make a difference…I can’t imagine any other real minimum capabilities apply. Lots of good people have no money but great capacity. Some people have tons of money but see no return on investment…

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
2:04 pm

Which is really quite ironic when you think about it.

(He’s supposedly white.)

Nope — Yankee Doodle Dandy is white, (and gay – hence the dandy), but Uncle Sam was originally called Uncle SamBO, so he was black.

What happened was when the white folks found out that they were celebrating a BLACK man, they immediately changed SamBO’s image to that of SAM that we enjoy today.

Of more great moments in history – Donald duck was a BLACK duck — but since Disney had already painted the mouse black, he couldn’t paint donald black AND give him a white girlfriend, (Daisy), and expect to get rich.

Now ya know! And knowing is half the battle! GI Joe!

Jerome Horwitz

January 10th, 2013
2:05 pm

Taggart – That’s no my Froggy.

godless heathen

January 10th, 2013
2:07 pm

So the National Child Slaughter R’US Association claims it’s gained 100,000 new members since just the Newtown slaughter it put on.

So the NRA put on the Newtown massacre? The over-the-top BS here just gets loonier and loonier.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:09 pm

In another interesting development:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/08/us-usa-guns-teachers-training-idUSBRE9070MV20130108

BRO, you think all these teachers can boast mental stability in order to own a gun and take it to class? Silly that the risk of having a gun in a school outweighs the probability that a shooter will show up at your school….Nuts.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:10 pm

S. Ray — “At the risk of being butchered, that movie remains hysterical. Watched it again recently and the fact that fun was poked at every single ethnic group remains classic. Slim Pickens one heck of a funny man.”

This may be apocryphal and not true at all, but I’ve read several times that Mel Brooks incessantly pestered John Wayne to read the script and to make a cameo appearance in the film. The Duke finally agreed to read the script, but turned down Brooks’ offer, saying that the film would be ‘too dirty’ for his image.

But, Wayne added, he’d be ‘first in line to see it.’ :D

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:11 pm

The over-the-top BS here just gets loonier and loonier.

FAU professor James Tracy says, “What”?

http://www.10news.com/news/watercooler/fla-professor-calls-sandy-hook-massacre-a-conspiracy-james-tracy-says-newtown-shooting-staged

alittlecommonsense

January 10th, 2013
2:12 pm

The trillion dollar coin = a liberal idea that’s too kooky for even most of the liberal kooks on this blog to defend. Not too kooky for the liberal icon Paul Krugman though.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:13 pm

JAY

You don’t suppose GM selected Georgia for it’s business freindly environment do you???

Regardless…1100 jobs is great news..Hope at least a majority come from in-state…

http://www.ajc.com/news/business/gm-to-hire-1000-at-new-atlanta-it-center/nTr5L/?src=cb_article

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
2:14 pm

All for a SYMPATHY LAW for the Newtown kids vote here! Screw that pesky constitution.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
2:14 pm

DDR, well they are going back. Apparently it will be a “walled community”. The drawings look like a castle. We know that was a great defense…. how many centuries ago?

From their FAQs:

What is the Goal of the III Citadel Project?
1.To provide a community for like-minded Patriots to live in Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty
2.To be removed and protected from peril in order to preserve ourselves, our posterity, and Liberty in the event of a national economic implosion
3.To live a free/freer life in Idaho (or elsewhere in the American Redoubt) amongst the current strong, self-reliant and Liberty-loving residents of the region

Who Started This Project?

This project began as an idea in the Patriot Blogosphere in early 2012. Since its inception, scores of Liberty-loving individuals have contributed their time, their expertise, and their financial support to make this idea become reality….

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It’s exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:15 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:10 pm

Oh that’s a great story. While Blazing Saddles is still an awesome flick, I didn’t feel the same about Young Frankenstein oddly..seems to drag…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:16 pm

All for a SYMPATHY LAW for the Newtown kids vote here! Screw that pesky constitution.

Robert and Mary Schindler say, “What?”

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
2:17 pm

The Atlanta area is overloaded with unemployment claims! I guess those new jobs must have been from some type of fiat.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
2:19 pm

BRO
Last time I checked, Georgia isn’t a liberal state

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hey BRO
the shooting occured in 1999………… ROY BARNES GOVENOR………….. TOM MURPHY SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE…………….. THE LIBERALS CONTROLLED THE STATE……………..

LIBERALS…………. HELLO????????????

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
2:19 pm

Did you know Robert and Mary Schindler before the shooting? Are they in your thoughts everyday now. Should we put them on the same plain as Mother Teresa!

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
2:20 pm

The shooters were liberals.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:21 pm

“The Atlanta area is overloaded with unemployment claims!”

One sick puppy.

I noticed the cons are scared of posting on blogs lately.

Why is that?

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:22 pm

D. DoRight — “Donald duck was a BLACK duck — but since Disney had already painted the mouse black, he couldn’t paint donald black AND give him a white girlfriend, (Daisy), and expect to get rich.”

My wife went to the University of Oregon, and when she was there, many student organizations co-opted the ‘Donald’ duck mascot for their own purposes. The Hispanic student group’s t-shirts had a Duck decked out in Mesoamerican regalia, swinging a stone handaxe, and the Black Student Union’s t-shirts had — I am not making this up — a black Duck with a high-top fade haircut. :D

We hear that Disney asked the school to put a lid on that kind of thing, though, and from what we understand, it’s either died out or gone underground (a distinct possibility at that hippie college).

williebkind

January 10th, 2013
2:23 pm

“I noticed the cons are scared of posting on blogs lately.

Why is that?”

it is like talking to a stop sign.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:23 pm

Great read as usual from George Will about how the DEMS and BO…as well as the rest of us, lost on the outcome so far of cliff crap.

For those with an open mind..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-time-for-a-balanced-budget-amendment/2013/01/09/6ecf85ec-59d5-11e2-9fa9-5fbdc9530eb9_story.html

Towncrier

January 10th, 2013
2:24 pm

“Only gun extremists would find anything the slightest bit controversial about that quote. When you’ve got young people in DC shooting each other to death, Holder actually proposed trying to change attitudes and make it uncool to carry firearms.”

Well, then, at the very least I guess you are going to have to admit he doesn’t choose his words very carefully. First of all, he was not speaking ONLY about “young people”, but ESPECIALLY about young people (who does he reference as smokers in his subsequent metaphor? His parents and probably adults in general). Secondly, he uses two odd verbs in this context: “cower” (in relation to those who are presumably now ashamed to smoke and, in the future, to carry guns) and “brainwash” (not a word with many positive connotations, especially when used by a government official). There goes your glib finding “anything the slightest bit controversial about that quote” hypothesis.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
2:25 pm

Ahhhh…. so now unless you read George Will, you don’t have an open mind. :lol:

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:25 pm

so when are we gonna ban shovels?

We aren’t

Shovels have a use and function other than killing someone.

Big Difference

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:26 pm

“it is like talking to a stop sign.”

I think they are scared government will use their comments to take their guns.

Or they gave on politics because they know they will lose elections.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:27 pm

Stevie Ray: BRO, you think all these teachers can boast mental stability in order to own a gun and take it to class?

Honestly, I don’t know nor do I care. My child will not be in those classrooms. Now, if you want my opinion about teaching and training teachers to be armed in the classroom, that’s a different monster.

I wouldn’t advocate such a thing because of the liability issue and recurrent training requirements necessary for such a thing. If you’re going to properly arm and train teachers, it’s going to take more than a 3 day class to properly teach them how to protect and defend that gun in close quarter fighting. If it were that simple, police academies and basic traning wouldn’t take months to accomplish.

Silly that the risk of having a gun in a school outweighs the probability that a shooter will show up at your school….Nuts.

Well, seeing that you’re in the actuarial sciences, you should be able to do the math on that one. Count the number of schools and shootings and then look at the number of guns you’d introduce on campus by arming teachers.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:28 pm

You don’t suppose GM selected Georgia for it’s business freindly environment do you???

Highly unlikely.

Most companies move here because of the large pool of uneducated workers who can be paid almost nothing with very few benefits.

Hoooray !

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
2:28 pm

read it an weep lefties

http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

MORE GUNS is the solution
ASK KENNESAW GA!!!!!!!!!!

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:29 pm

will should write about baseball because he is never right about politics.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:29 pm

Did you know Robert and Mary Schindler before the shooting?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^Capt. Picard Goalposts *with Enhanced Warp Drive™^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
2:29 pm

Grits – Shovels have a use and function other than killing someone

did ya open the link?

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
2:29 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
“chicks dig the long ball”
………………………………..
I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.
______________________________________
I have, but it had nothing to do with baseball. 8)

Robert Cogan

January 10th, 2013
2:30 pm

The $1 triillion coin is a stupid trick? One $ trillion coin won’t work because only Congress has the constitutional power to coin money and regulate the value thereof. Courts would probably decide as much. How about minting 1,000 $1 billion coins, or 1 million $1,000 coins? That should sound less ridiculous, less easy for punk news pundits to dismiss. So Republicans would probably oppose this unless the coin(s) had natural value from scarcity. So consider diamonds (141.75 carats equal an ounce.) Maybe only something like highly enriched uranium would have the requisite value. Then prohibit spending it externally! Alternatively, is it in executive power to monetize Treasuries, make them legal tender? Doutful. In any case, deposit “natural value” coins in accounts needed for expenditures. Debit or credit accounts containing these assets, as necessary.

It’s high time the mainstream media stopped ignoring and started to inform Americans of other alternatives! Congress has the Constitutional power to coin ANY AMOUNT of money needed. It can even do this WITHOUT DEBT! Look up “United States Notes,” (greenbacks.) If Obama had any backbone or was willing to risk his “political capital,” he’d put the Congress on the HOT SEAT by raising the salience of this idea! We’ve had 4 years of severe DEFLATION for millions of households. Deleveraging debt is going too slow and we need CONTROLLED “reflation” targeted at unemployment and housing.

Only a vast program of federal aid to small and medium sized domestic businesses and entrepreneurs and inventors to subsidize new American hires can get unemployment and consumption out of our painfully too slow “recovery.” Start with grants to companies that will recruit unemployed breadwinners in homes with mortgages or rent overdue. Obama’s lack of leadership, Congress’s corruption by banks, media cowardice to propose such banker – opposed solutions, and the public’s ignorance and apathy mean we will suffer much longer.

Illegitimi non carborundum!

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

January 10th, 2013
2:30 pm

Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for senators: 1) they must be at least 30 years old, 2) they must have been citizens of the United States for at least the past nine years, and 3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.

Note what is not included: Do not have to be 1) lawyer, 2) doctor, 3) business owner/executive, 4) offspring of politician, and no previous experience in any other elected office required. Miss Judd could have some issues meeting the 3rd requirement above but is otherwise qualified to be a US Senator.

On another note, given the top item on this blog is about Ashly Judd and Mitch McConnell, which one do you think Brent Musburger would have had shown in the picture?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
2:30 pm

Grits – Shovels have a use and function other than killing someone

yes………….. BURYING THE SOMEONE YOU JUST KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with a shovel

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:32 pm

Whirled Nut Daily?

Birther central.

read it an weep laugh uproariously lefties

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
2:32 pm

On September 20, 2008, then Senator Joe Biden told a crowd in Castlewood, Virgnia, “I guarantee you Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey.” He added, “Don’t buy that malarkey. They’re going to start peddling that to you. I’ve got two. If he tries to fool my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”

“The president is going to act,” Biden said at the start of a task force meeting with representatives of gun safety and victims’ groups. “There are executive orders; there’s executive action that can be taken. We haven’t decided what that is yet. But we’re compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the Cabinet members, as well as legislative action that we believe is required.”

Sooooo, will he or won’t he?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:32 pm

George Will was among the least accurate major pundits in predicting 2012 presidential election results.He claimed that Mitt Romney would win the election with 321 electoral votes, winning Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, Virginia, and Florida. All of these states went to Barack Obama, and Romney lost with only 206 electoral votes.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
2:33 pm

Grits – Most companies move here because of the large pool of uneducated workers who can be paid almost nothing with very few benefits.

They are opening a tech center…Einstein

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:34 pm

yes………….. BURYING THE SOMEONE YOU JUST KILLED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with a shovel

Or gardening.

A gun has but one use however.

Its the guns stupid.

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:34 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
2:25 pm

Good one..typical stuff really. Those on the right generally won’t read…say an Krugman missive anymore than lefties will generally read Will…I realize there are some open minds but the norm on this and Kyles site is condemnation before investigation…

BRO

My point was the absurdity of some of the knee jerk reactions that surface. Perhaps they will, in addition to charter schools, have NRA institutions…..

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:34 pm

It is a great opportunity to sell some AR’s bullets.

You can make a few grand.

Easy money.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:35 pm

They are opening a tech center…Einstein

Doesn’t change anything.

Every word still true.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:35 pm

and bullets.

RB from Gwinnett

January 10th, 2013
2:35 pm

“One thing that I think is clear with young people and with adults as well is that we just have to be repetitive about this. It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and only do it on a Monday. We need to do this everyday of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”

I guess none of you liberals were capable of Googling that yourselves, eh?

Can anybody think of any other times in history when the government engaged in “brainwashing” it’s people; especially into denying something that should be a right?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:36 pm

…… is code for crazy.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
2:36 pm

Or gardening.

The guy made an AK47 from a shovel

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:36 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:32 pm

So…he was wrong on the outcome of election. So you refuse to read any opinions from the right because if they predicted the outcome of the race incorrectly, they are completely irrelevant?

Really? I guess that means that you will not read anything written by any sports prognosticator who picked ND to win much less cover the spread?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
2:36 pm

Keep – RE: Citadel Community……….

How many votes that the “community of liked minded gun nuts”; is really only another Love Canal? Or WORSE, a Jonestown? I bet Bernie Madoff’s twin brother, Brocellus Madoff, (half brother’ — mother was half black and half Liberal elitist), started this “online talk” just to milk poor, gullible, ignorant saps out of their money!

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Joe – I’m from Washington State — We used to fry those dang ducks every year in football. Then, out of nowhere they started getting all these ETHNIC students to join the team! Effed up a good relationship after that!
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Cheesy: Most companies move here because of the large pool of uneducated workers who can be paid almost nothing with very few benefits.

Shame on you Cheesy!!! They also come here to see the home of Honey Boo Boo and her pet chicken Nugget.
===============

Crier @ 2:24 pm. breaks down, verb by verb, consonant by consonant, noun by noun; Holders’ comments on guns. Yet he can’t understand one word of the Constitution without Rush explaining it to him. Remarkable!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:37 pm

Can anybody think of any other times in history when the government engaged in “brainwashing” it’s people…

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:38 pm

If guns made you safer America would be the safest place in the world.

Countries with fewer guns – Less gun violence

Countries with more guns – More gun violence.

This is first grade stuff folks.

Its the guns stupid.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:38 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal were Democrats too. So what’s your point?

Georgia has never been a LIBERAL state. There has not been a LIBERAL state in the Southern US since the Civil War. I hate to rain on your parade of ignorance, but Democrat does not equal Liberal. I know those mouthpieces teach and train you to think that, but just because you hear people associate the two doesn’t make it a fact. I know it’s hard for your binary brain to comprehend such things, but you should go back and research these things before spouting off like that. I’m trying to keep you from further embarassing yourself.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
2:38 pm

w used fear to sell war.

The cons were scared to death of aq.

Remember?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
2:39 pm

Grits – Every word still true

Except for the ones that aren’t

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
2:39 pm

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
2:29 pm
barking frog

January 10th, 2013
12:01 pm
“chicks dig the long ball”
………………………………..
I have never heard a woman say ‘I dig the long ball’.
______________________________________
I have, but it had nothing to do with baseball. 8)
…………………………………………………
most other responders to this comment also seem to have an anatomical anomaly..

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:40 pm

Really? I guess that means that you will not read anything written by any sports prognosticator who picked ND to win much less cover the spread?

I probably wouldn’t.

If they are dumb enough to think ND had a chance its probably not worth my time.

Seriously Folks

January 10th, 2013
2:40 pm

Couldnt let a post by “barking frog” pass without some clarity. You said something that “the right to bear arms preceded the constitution”…quick history lesson. The Constitution was written first…only later did the “Bill of Rights” pass..which are the 10 Amendments to said Constitution…which includes the 2nd Amendment about the need for militias, and hence the right to bear arms so that, oh..you know, we had NO STANDING ARMY to protect the new Country we called the UNITED States of America…..Prior to the Constitution, there was the Revolutionary War…and Prior to that we were a Colony of Britain (and I dont think King George was too keen on having a colony with a bunch of gun-toting citizens who thought for themselves)…

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:40 pm

Kam @ 2:29

That had to be the “Tickle Me Elmo” or “Cabbage Patch” for this past Christmas. Hell, I wish I had gotten me a pair now.

:)

RB from Gwinnett

January 10th, 2013
2:41 pm

“Shovels have a use and function other than killing someone.

Big Difference”

WRONG!!! You liberals have no claim to Obama “getting Osama” who WAS KILLED WITH A GUN as long as you’re claiming guns are bad. A shovel can be used for evil just as readily as a gun can and with every bit as deadly an outcome. Get over yourselves with this “Obama killed Osama” routine while whining it was the guns that killed the kids in NewTown.

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
2:41 pm

A gun has but one use however.

dumb statement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it has 2 uses

one is to fire it
one is to PREVENT SOMEONE from committing an offense against you

read it and weep
http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

Towncrier

January 10th, 2013
2:41 pm

“Of course, the fact that Holder was discussing a purely informational campaign directed at young men in D.C. who carry unpermitted, concealed firearms because they “are fascinated with violence, and more particularly fascinated with guns” won’t dissuade you in the least.”

I find it interesting that no one here or hardly anywhere else bothers to indicate that Holder says at the outset of his talk that young people are “saturated” with violence by the media and entertainment industry. It would seem that in Holder’s mind, youths have been in part “brainwashed” by violence in the media and entertainment industry and so, by the same kind of approach, need to be reprogrammed. I personally am not interested in hearing liberals arguments for restricting the 2nd amendment when they have no interest in restoring some restrictions on the 1st – especially from Holder.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
2:41 pm

Grits Countries with fewer guns – Less gun violence

Countries with more guns – More gun violence.

This is first grade stuff folks.

I guess you failed out…see Switzerland

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:43 pm

R. Cogan — “How about minting 1,000 $1 billion coins, or 1 million $1,000 coins?”

Actually, the US Mint actually *does* produce a coin worth >$1000.

http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/american_eagles/index.cfm?Action=american_eagle_platinum

One-ounce Platinum bullion proof coins are selling for just under $1900 apiece right now from the Mint.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
2:44 pm

the cat

January 10th, 2013
12:19 pm
That picture of McConell makes me think he was being vaginally probed at the time it was taken. One can only hope.
____________________
Why?

Did the McConnell come out publicly in support of that?

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 10th, 2013
2:44 pm

poor BRO

he just made an OBSERVATION that should EDUCATE all you LEFTIES

he said “Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal were Democrats too.”

thus the REASON you lefties hate how they govern……….. they are DEMOCRATS in sheeps clothing…………..

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:45 pm

On another note, given the top item on this blog is about Ashly Judd and Mitch McConnell, which one do you think Brent Musburger would have had shown in the picture?

East Cobb

I cast my vote with my first post. ;)

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Stevie Ray

My bad… I misread your intent, and I agree with you on the absurdity. Guess you need to mark this one for the next time td goes on his melanin envy fueled rants and accuses me of never acknowledging when I’m wrong. ;)

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most other responders to this comment also seem to have an anatomical anomaly..

Depending on the person, who’s to say it is an anomaly at all? :)

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:45 pm

RB — “I guess none of you liberals were capable of Googling that yourselves, eh?”

It’s called ‘you said it so you get to prove it,’ RB. We’ve been through this before.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
2:46 pm

SFD

Why don’t they call it the “Uppity Muslim Freedom-Killing President Unilateral Disarmament Act of 2013″ while they’re at it?
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Nope they needs to call it the ‘Uppity Muslim Freedom-Killing President Unilateral Disarmament JOBS Act of 2013′

It’s all about the jobs yanno

:-)

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:47 pm

poor BRO

he just made an OBSERVATION that should EDUCATE all you LEFTIES

:???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???: :???:

Now, I know you’re beyond help. I don’t know whether you’re trolling or serious, but you need some help… serious help.

RB from Gwinnett

January 10th, 2013
2:49 pm

“Of course, the fact that Holder was discussing a purely informational campaign directed at young men in D.C. who carry unpermitted, concealed firearms because they “are fascinated with violence, and more particularly fascinated with guns” won’t dissuade you in the least.”

Jay, that’s the same kind of manure that gets rational people to round up their neighbors and load them on the trains. “They’re being sent to “re-education” camps to learn how to be….” Kinda like the 13-15 year old girls who went to “camp” and 80% of them came back pregnant.

I’m sure somebody at that time was saying “let’s talk about this rationally” too, Jay.

Towncrier

January 10th, 2013
2:49 pm

“Crier @ 2:24 pm. breaks down, verb by verb, consonant by consonant, noun by noun; Holders’ comments on guns. Yet he can’t understand one word of the Constitution without Rush explaining it to him. Remarkable!”

ROFL. I would bet GOOD money I understand the Constitution far better than you, sweetie. My proof: your inane summarization of my analysis of Holder’s comments. First of all, in case you don’t know, verbs and nouns are parts of speech; consonants are not. Secondly, I made mention of only two verbs – but I guess that is the equivalent of grammatical parsing in your mind. I haven’t seen much evidence that you talk “straight” (as witnessed above), so I haven’t much faith that your either read or think that way either.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
2:51 pm

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
2:32 pm

Somone, anyone?

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:51 pm

RB — “You liberals have no claim to Obama “getting Osama” who WAS KILLED WITH A GUN as long as you’re claiming guns are bad.”

What a pathetically lame argument. Several of ‘us liberals’ here are firearm owners and several of us are military veterans as well. Your notion that ‘us liberals’ are monolithically pushing a ‘guns are bad’ argument is as incorrect as it is misleading.

Yes, there are *some* liberals here who’d probably like to see guns removed from public ownership entirely. But I feel pretty confident that they’re firmly in the liberal minority, particularly given the discussions we’ve been having in here over the last couple of weeks on the topic.

If you can’t at least be honest about what the other side is arguing, then you really need to sit this discussion out because you have nothing of value to contribute, RB.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:51 pm

he just made an OBSERVATION that should EDUCATE all you LEFTIES

You missed the teachable moment there, sport.

The lesson is about Georgia being governed by conservatives.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
2:52 pm

Bro

When does Bama play the BCS game.

I saw a tune-up game the other night with Slippery Rock dressed in ND uniforms but that couldn’t have been ND, could it?

:-)

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:53 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
2:40 pm

You know, if you remain a sheep and being lead around by the same shepherd all your life, the view, the smell, and the myopy never change…

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:55 pm

NoCom

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I didn’t really get to enjoy the victory much either. Type B flu has taken over this house. Mama tested positive today, so I think I’m next in line. I’m thinking about going to get some Tamiflu today for myself. Gotta Dr’s appointment in a while, so I may have to stock up while I’m out. I was saving leave to take off when the baby’s born, but I’m burning it up now taking care of my ladies. :)

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
2:55 pm

Brosephus
most other responders to this comment also seem to have an anatomical anomaly..

Depending on the person, who’s to say it is an anomaly at all? :)
……………………………………………………………….
the statement begs the comparative so one would be longer than another.

Towncrier

January 10th, 2013
2:56 pm

Okay…I’m out. Good day, all. Be good, DDR! ;-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:57 pm

Somone[sic], anyone?

We’re just not that into you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/pat-robertson-outrage-hard-nosed-awful-looking-women-are-ruining-marriages

That’s right ladies. Another reason why it’s your fault.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
2:58 pm

Bro

Copious amounts of alcohol taken internally always works for me :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
2:59 pm

Okay…I’m out.

New sock-puppet arrives in, 3…2…1…. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stevie Ray

January 10th, 2013
2:59 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:45 pm

Melanin envy…that’s funny. I haven’t paid any attention to that poster…sounds like a real player..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:00 pm

You know, if you remain a sheep and being lead around by the same shepherd all your life, the view, the smell, and the myopy never change…

George Will spammers say, “What?”

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
3:01 pm

Kam@2:57 pm

Was that pointed at DDR or Matti?

If so, you’re a dead man LOL

:-)

chuck

January 10th, 2013
3:02 pm

I am so sick of you guys on the left making patently FALSE statements such as this one Jay:

“Look, the entire debt-ceiling debate is inherently silly. I get that. Congress has voted to spend trillions and borrow trillions, and it’s totally ridiculous to pretend that it can now refuse to pay that money back, which is what it would do by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.”

The debt ceiling debate is NOT silly at all. It is probably the single most important debate we will have this year. More important than the “fiscal cliff” debate by far. The debt ceiling, contrary to your outrageous lie, DOES NOT KEEP AMERICA FROM PAYING DEBTS ALREADY INCURRED!!! RATHER IT KEEPS AMERICA FROM BORROWING ADDITIONAL MONEY!!!

How hard is it to understand the concept of “debt ceiling”? It simply means when you get to that point you cannot borrow ANY MORE money. You assume that if we get to that point we will stop paying our bills. That is patently ridiculous. We still will have trillions of dollars coming in every year and we will have to live within THAT REVENUE. Funny how you don’t even acknowledge the OTHER POSSIBILITY of cutting spending to that level. If we cut spending, we no longer have to worry about paying the debt.

Federal workers make an average of $85,000 per year. Everybody else makes an average of $55,000. Obama is hiring, on average, 37,000 people a year. If we put a federal hiring freeze in place we can save approx. $35 billion over 10 years without cutting ANYBODY. We currently have 2,115,707 federal employees whose salaries cost us $179 billion EVERY YEAR. If we cut federal salaries by 10% (about the same amount state salaries have been cut in Georgia) they would still be well above the national average and we would save an additional $179 billion over 10 year. Without even working up a sweat we save $210 billion over 10 years. THEN we can start cutting out non-essential programs and departments completely and before long, walla! We are balanced and can begin paying down the debt.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:04 pm

the statement begs the comparative so one would be longer than another.

Not necessarily. One could simply hang lower than the other giving the perception of being “long”. That’s usually going to be the case.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/One-Testicle-hanging-much-lower-than-other/show/245533

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NoCom

If it were not for the CT head scan I gotta get, I’d probably be halfway there by now. A hot toddy always makes a sick person feel better. :)

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Stevie Ray

Look at the end of the previous thread. Some days, I can’t shake that dude off my tail. :)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:05 pm

Common Sense isn’t very Common

Yeah, like I’d take Pat Robertson seriously.

:lol: :lol:

dbm

January 10th, 2013
3:06 pm

Hoof Hearted

January 10th, 2013
12:06 pm

Can we draw a parallel between Lance Armstrong and Bill Clinton?

td

January 10th, 2013
3:08 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
2:38 pm

UNCLE SAMANTHA

Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal were Democrats too. So what’s your point?

Georgia has never been a LIBERAL state. There has not been a LIBERAL state in the Southern US since the Civil War. I hate to rain on your parade of ignorance, but Democrat does not equal Liberal. I know those mouthpieces teach and train you to think that, but just because you hear people associate the two doesn’t make it a fact. I know it’s hard for your binary brain to comprehend such things, but you should go back and research these things before spouting off like that. I’m trying to keep you from further embarassing yourself.

There you go again being an ass to someone else you do not agree with when the blogger was only engaging you in a discussion. You have a nasty attitude.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
3:09 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
2:51 pm

Joe, that’s usually my point. There are extremists on both sides with radical ideas. I think the vast majority on both sides fall somewhere in the middle. For example (and, there are many), I do not believe that abortion is right, but, it’s not my responsibility to force my beliefs others. Unfortunately, on this blog and many others, some liberals want to paint conservatives (whatever the hell that means) with a very broad brush and say that I want to eliminate the EPA and have dirty water. That just because I didn’t vote for Obama, I’m a racist or a birther, blah, blah, blah. Some conservatives are equally guilty of this habit. Why can’t we agree that just because we disagree on a particular issue doesn’t mean there is not common ground and the other is somehow “evil” or “loonie” because we don’t agree on each and every issue? Heck, even Fred and I found some common ground recently.

Sure, I tune into Fox News from time to time. I don’t agree with everything that is said there. I watch O’Reilly on Wednesday for Dennis Miller…he’s hilarious! But, I also watch CNN, MSNBC, etc from time to time…Al Sharpton…he’s hilarious! I have the HufPost app on my iphone. I like to think that I have a decently well-rounded view of the world.

But, just because I own more guns than I can count in my mind doesn’t make me a “gun nut.” I grew up with guns. My earliest memory is shooting squirrels in the pecan grove out back, dressing them and having mom cook them. Hell, this is the south. 99% of the pick-up trucks around here have at least 1 gun in them…and, there are aLOT of pick-up trucks around my neck of the woods.

Anyway…

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
3:09 pm

Seriously Folks

January 10th, 2013
2:40 pm
Couldnt let a post by “barking frog” pass without some clarity. You said something that “the right to bear arms preceded the constitution”…quick history lesson. The Constitution was written first…only later did the “Bill of Rights” pass..which are the 10 Amendments to said Constitution…which includes the 2nd Amendment about the need for militias, and hence the right to bear arms so that, oh..you know, we had NO STANDING ARMY to protect the new Country we called the UNITED States of America
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and prior to the Constitution there was no right to bear arms, correct? Or is
it prior to the 2nd amendment there was no right to bear arms ? and anyone
with arms was an outlaw.
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…..Prior to the Constitution, there was the Revolutionary War…and Prior to that we were a Colony of Britain (and I dont think King George was too keen on having a colony with a bunch of gun-toting citizens who thought for themselves)…
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after the revolutionary war there was the articles of confederation, which you missed,
but the colonists did have the right to bear arms which you may find in English history
if you care to look…….

chuck

January 10th, 2013
3:09 pm

btw, we could also make the very drastic decision to no longer pay interest on the debt. This is quite often done when people get into financial difficulties. They negotiate with credit card companies and get into a payment plan that stops interest from accruing from that point forward and they just pay off the balance that has accrued to THAT POINT. Yes, our credit rating would take a hit but it’s going to anyway when we get to the point that we can’t pay it. We COULD apply that concept to FOREIGN debt only, which is about half of the debt and continue paying it to American investors.

It is time to think outside the box people.

TBS

January 10th, 2013
3:11 pm

“There you go again being an ass to someone else you do not agree with when the blogger was only engaging you in a discussion. You have a nasty attitude.”

Someone needs to read some of their own posts to themselves as they look in the mirror………………………..

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:12 pm

SoCo/Bro

Looks like you’ve got the beginnings of your own fan club.

My fan club has matching sweatshirts.

TBS

January 10th, 2013
3:14 pm

Kam

Yours is more like a “groupie club”. They fawn all over you (even when you are not posting)…….You might want to be careful when they start with the coordinated cheers.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
3:16 pm

I guess you failed out…see Switzerland

2012

Number of gun homicides in Switzerland 57

Number of gun homicides in France 35

Number of gun homicides in Japan 11

Number of gun homicides in US 9,146

Its the guns stupid.

Class dismissed.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:16 pm

BOTH

It’s the pom-poms and pleated skirts that I find just so – precious.

td

January 10th, 2013
3:16 pm

TBS

January 10th, 2013
3:11 pm

“There you go again being an ass to someone else you do not agree with when the blogger was only engaging you in a discussion. You have a nasty attitude.”

Someone needs to read some of their own posts to themselves as they look in the mirror………

I have never went after anyone with a personal attack until they have gone after me first. Go back and look at my post if you do not believe me.

TBS

January 10th, 2013
3:19 pm

Kam

Where you on yesterday morning? Was conversing with Bro about Jay’s article and my take……………. the guilty dog was barking within minutes.

I knew it was coming from at least one and the lead dog stepped right in it.

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 10th, 2013
3:19 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
3:27 pm

DIA — “Why can’t we agree that just because we disagree on a particular issue doesn’t mean there is not common ground and the other is somehow “evil” or “loonie” because we don’t agree on each and every issue? Heck, even Fred and I found some common ground recently.”

I don’t have any problem with that at all. You and I have even been getting along a bit lately.

I do think that we have a few contributors — on both sides — who just like to stir s**t up because they like the stink. For my part, I like to snark and make smartazz comments, but I *prefer* a polite, adult conversation where ideas are tossed out and taken up for discussion, where polite criticism doesn’t mean calling one’s post-opponent names and where the participants don’t all look like they’re cruising for heart attacks and strokes.

I think that both sides are better served when they articulate their own beliefs and opinions — and where, if someone has a trust issue with another poster, they say so and say why. This whole notion of ‘this is what YOU think, liberal b@st@rd’ and ‘i know this is what you want, you conservative jackazz’ doesn’t advance the discussion and it doesn’t lead to anything positive.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:28 pm

BOTH

That particular Pomeranian always barks

Homerun

January 10th, 2013
3:29 pm

Most people understand that Congress spends the money and now has to pay the bills. The problem is how to you stop the debt from continuing to climb and reach unsustainable amounts, leveraging our children and grandchildren’s future? Does anyone, Lib or Conservative, think we can continue to borrow at the rate we are? Congress can’t reign in spending, so just saying it is a silly debate is misleading and disingenuous by Jay. the Debt Ceiling debate is not about paying the old bills, it is about slowing down the increasing debt and eliminating the deficit for next year and the years after. Dems and Libs are avoiding the crushing fiscal reality and kicking the can down the road. What will it take to get them to do the things necessary? you can take 100% of the income of the top 1% and still run a deficit. So that red herring debate was won by the Dems- and it raised enough to pay for 6 days of Gov’t spending. The only way things get done is by leveraging raising the debt ceiling so that we aren’t back here again. Are the libs ok with the debt being at $22T+ by the 2016? You can say the Reps had a role in running it up and i would agree. So what do we do now? just keep raising the ceiling without getting spending under control? What happened to the balanced approach?

Logical Dude

January 10th, 2013
3:29 pm

/driveby (and someone may have mentioned this)

Jay quotes: Federal assets would suddenly increase by $1 trillion

Well, what’s to stop them from making thousands of these coins? We could suddenly have a quadrillion (I think that’s the number) dollars in coinage!

Of course, they’d be worthless because you couldn’t actually use them anywhere. “Hi Mister Banker, can you give me change for this trillion dollar coin?”
\driveby

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:30 pm

There you go again being an ass to someone else you do not agree with when the blogger was only engaging you in a discussion. You have a nasty attitude.

How is that being an ass? If he were engaging in a discussion, he wouldn’t be shouting in all caps, for starters. If you wanna see me act an ass, then try this on…

Mind your own damned business and stay out of mine. K??? THATS being an ass.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
3:32 pm

Adam

January 10th, 2013
1:56 pm
ANOTHER GD SCHOOL SHOOTING
When are we going to stop the madness?
_________________________________
Adam, what is your solution to “stop the madness”.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:32 pm

TBS/Kamchak

I can’t understand why this dude wants to ride my coattails. If I wanted to be an ass, then I can be an ass. Pointing out someone listening to the ignorance permeating the airwaves isn’t being an ass. I guess that someone who believes in that crap 100% would take offense to such talk though.

Jefferson

January 10th, 2013
3:33 pm

Chuck having wealth envy of gov’t workers ? Dude it IS silly, sorry you don’t understand.

They will raise it, because they have to.

godless heathen

January 10th, 2013
3:36 pm

Testing one’s ability on the target range is not a use?

Its the guns stupid.

Guns just jumpin’ out of the closet and shooting folks. Damnedest thing I ever heard!

They should be destroyed along with those murderous SUVs.

TBS

January 10th, 2013
3:36 pm

Bro

You got it like that…….. They love you man…………

:-)

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
3:37 pm

“What will it take to get them to do the things necessary?”

Well, it’s easy to say: repeal some of the spending bills they’ve ALREADY PASSED that are running up our debt because they didn’t ALSO include a way to PAY for those bills.

Not so easy to do…but it IS easy to say.

Seriously Folks

January 10th, 2013
3:37 pm

Okay barking frog..ill play along. Yes, I missed the Articles of Confederation…however, nothing is noted about an “individuals right to bear arms” in those articles….it DOES say that a “well regulated militia with sufficient stores, will be maintained by each State.” That was said in the context of “no State shall engage in any war unless invaded.”

So while the use of “arms” to hunt, for survival, were probably a given (they did not have a Publix or Kroger back then!) there is nothing about protecting the “individual” with gun ownership….hate to break it to you, but alot of those historical documents need to have a dose of CONTEXT when you interpret them 200 plus years later….

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:38 pm

Adam, what is your solution to “stop the madness”.

Not Adam, but there’s nothing we can do to stop it short of shutting America down and selling it, in pieces, to the highest bidders. Violence is part of who we are, and these things have been going on for a long time. The only difference is the speed in which they become public knowledge due to technology.

The best thing we can do is train ourselves to be ready with an escape when the time arises. Unless you continuously train for active shooter scenarios, your fine motor skills (most people use when shooting at a range) will disappear faster than a dollar at a strip joint. If you don’t have that automatic response trained into your gross motor skills, you’re nothing more than a target at a shooting gallery if you don’t get out the way fast.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
3:39 pm

Brocephus: You should see how fast this old fat boy can move when properly motivated….. and trust me, bullets headed my direction is proper motivation…….

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:42 pm

TBS

It’s like those old kung fu movies, everybody wants to beat the old guy with the white beard to show they are supreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmdP1qTjGZY

The only problems are that I’m not old and my beard isn’t completely white.

:)

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
3:42 pm

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/tactical-response-ceo-issues-threat-over-gun-control

this guy needs a little visit from the guys in the black suits

and then by a mental health professional

Old Physics Teacher

January 10th, 2013
3:44 pm

Brosephus™

on your 12:02 pm
A) Sorry, I just logged one and read this so you might not even still be one

B) Sorry, I have to disagree with you here: your comment about steroids not helping the hand-eye coordination is spot on… and almost exactly what Bonds claimed earlier… and is totally irrelevant. Steroids took what would have been, at best, a pop-up in the middle of the outfield (and exactly what the pitcher was trying to get him to do) and gave McGuire, Bonds, Sosa, and all the other scum the extra strength to push the ball over the fence. I am a knowledgeable individual and had family playing in the minor leagues at the time, and I had no CLUE what was happening. I just thought these guys were eating better, and had more natural ability than my family members and they DESERVED to be there. I now know they cheated to stay up in the majors and were keeping better quality players in the minors by their actions. Juicin’ the ball, the bat, or the player, or the politician stuffing the ballot box is CHEATING. The object of rules and officiating is to prevent the other guy from falsely achieving what they couldn’t do legitimately. They should expunge EVERY record of every player who juiced.

Being as they weren’t politicians and only cheated instead of committing a felony, I wouldn’t put them in jail… wait a minute… let me thing about that…making little kids believe they were “the good guys” and people to be emulated; destroying records that stood for decades and said records were achieved by the skill and efforts of people who gave their best every day… maybe jail time is something to consider…

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
3:45 pm

Brosephus
the statement begs the comparative so one would be longer than another.

Not necessarily. One could simply hang lower than the other giving the perception of being “long”. That’s usually going to be the case.
……………………………………………………………………..
so many of those who prefer the long ball will just be fools….

Regnad Kcin

January 10th, 2013
3:50 pm

“(Stop paying the debt) – This is quite often done when people get into financial difficulties. They negotiate with credit card companies ”

Because a nation is like your household… *sigh* I can’t begin to explain how terrible that idea is…

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
3:50 pm

Unless you continuously train for active shooter scenarios…

I think that’ only part of the problem. Even if I trained 10 hrs/day, I wouldn’t want to be holding a hand gun when law enforcement arrives.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:51 pm

Fred ™

Don’t think you won’t be the only one running. First thing training teaches you is to get out of the line of fire FAST!!! You can’t respond if you’re bleeding to death on the ground/floor. Once I get to cover, then the response training kicks in. I’m not gonna play “John Wayne” when I know that only makes one become a statistic.

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Old Physics Teacher

I understand your point, and I used to feel the exact same way until I had a revelation about something. Is taking steroids any different than eating chicken, pork, or beef that’s been overstuffed with growth hormones? When you were young, how many 5th graders were 6ft tall, 200lbs, and ran a 4.3 forty yard dash?

I don’t condone anybody purposefully taking any kind of banned supplement as a way to cheat to get ahead. That said, I think that most any kid under the age of 35 has been exposed quite a bit to growth hormones and may benefit as a result.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
3:53 pm

Grits – Class dismissed

Russia has a murder rate 4 times that of the US with a population about half
Russia Guns per 100 people = 8.9
USA Guns per 100 people = 88.8

so we have 10 times more guns than Russia per capita and a Murder rate of about 25% of theirs…yeah it’s the guns…do you know where I can find a pencil that doesn’t misspell words?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
3:53 pm

Grits – Class dismissed

Russia has a murder rate 4 times that of the US with a population about half
Russia Guns per 100 people = 8.9
USA Guns per 100 people = 88.8

so we have 10 times more guns than Russia per capita and a Murder rate of about 25% of theirs…yeah it’s the guns…do you know where I can find a pencil that doesn’t misspell words?

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
3:53 pm

Seriously Folks
Okay barking frog..ill play along. Yes, I missed the Articles of Confederation…however, nothing is noted about an “individuals right to bear arms” in those articles…
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and neither does it say that in the Constitution…..since it was right already in existence when
both were written..

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
3:54 pm

Brocephus: Did you see the mythbusters where they tried to create a flying guillotine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsMtsxdnLBA

(You only need to see the first 45 seconds or so………)

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
3:56 pm

“Holder actually proposed trying to change attitudes and make it uncool to carry firearms.”

Holder could start in Chicago but I’d bet he wouldn’t get very far.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
3:57 pm

I think that’ only part of the problem. Even if I trained 10 hrs/day, I wouldn’t want to be holding a hand gun when law enforcement arrives.

I’d add to that, I’d be afraid that if I knocked the gun out of the hand of the killer and shot him/her that some “hero” would show up and shoot me.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
3:57 pm

Fred ™
The whistle of a bullet will put wind in your sails…..

Seriously Folks

January 10th, 2013
3:57 pm

barking…so according to you, once the first musket was invented, we had a “right” to own one. Is that why, in your suggestion I look into “English Law” that is says in their rights, that “Any Protestant subject shall have the right to bear arms to protect their land”..not “every individual”…if a “right” comes with strings, it is NOT a right given to everyone and protected for everyone!! ….and if that was a “right”, the please explain how those who came to this country as slaves, were not allowed to have a gun? I mean, its a “right” that was already in existence?

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
3:59 pm

Brocephus: I just noticed you spell your name wrong. You want to fix that please?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bocephus

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
4:00 pm

And for Further proof Mr. Can’t spell his own name:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brocephus

Welcome to the Occupation

January 10th, 2013
4:01 pm

Ah cons.

The word kind of says it all.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:02 pm

Government’s number one job is to protect the American people.

The majority wants them to act because sacrificing children for your freedom to own assault rifles did not pass their moral test so they will act.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
4:03 pm

Keep

Absolutely.

Too many cowboys believe that if they were in an active shooter scenario then they would automatically identify the bad guy. I would imagine that sooner or later we’re gonna see a shooting similar to the one at the movie theater in Colo. where concealed carry yahoos get into a shoot out with one another and a lot of innocent bystanders get caught in the crossfire.

chuck

January 10th, 2013
4:04 pm

Jefferson, That lack of reasoning on your part is exactly why we are in this mess.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:06 pm

Actually, it kind of astonishing
88.8 guns per 100 residents in the US. To say the Genie is already out of the bottle is an understatement. New legislation won’t change much of anything

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
4:07 pm

Crier: ROFL. I would bet GOOD money I understand the Constitution far better than you, sweetie.

You’d loose honey!

My proof: your inane summarization of my analysis of Holder’s comments. First of all, in case you don’t know, verbs and nouns are parts of speech; consonants are not. Secondly, I made mention of only two verbs – but I guess that is the equivalent of grammatical parsing in your mind.

OK here’s a little something that you may have heard of, but haven’t gotten to know personally — its’ called satirical writing or “satire” for short.

See, I wasn’t trying to point out your use of verbs vs. nouns. vs. consonants; I was trying to point out that you took a microscope to Holder’s speech, dissected it, and instead of a gerbil saw a mountain lion. Whereas if LimpBalls would’ve said it, you would’ve praised him for being an astoundingly accurate and learned man.

sat·ire
[sat-ahyuh r] noun

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.

Satire. You might wanna look up some examples online…………..just saying….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:07 pm

Granny, I agree. It’s comments like those that should be in a national database to mark this CEO clown as too crazy to be permitted to have a weapon.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
4:07 pm

Seriously Folks
”…if a “right” comes with strings, it is NOT a right given to everyone and protected for everyone!! ….and if that was a “right”, the please explain how those who came to this country as slaves, were not allowed to have a gun? I mean, its a “right” that was already in existence?
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rights can be infringed by governments but the 2nd amendment prohibits
the US government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms ”…and
I really don’t understand why that doesn’t apply to states……the slaves
lost many rights but all have been restored after much difficulty…

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
4:07 pm

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
3:56 pm

“Holder actually proposed trying to change attitudes and make it uncool to carry firearms.”

Holder could start in Chicago but I’d bet he wouldn’t get very far.
++++++++++++++++++

What is the sudden FOXBOT/talk radio fixation on Chicago? Did you birthers finally decide that Obama wasn’t born in Kenya but was really born in freaking Chicago now and hence is responsible for it’s whole history since it’s founding in 1837?

Do you know how stupid you sound with that?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:10 pm

the 2nd amendment prohibits the US government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms

Nope. Fail. Read Heller. The US govt can regulate many things about guns and arms without violating the 2d amendment.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
4:10 pm

DDR
Satire. You might wanna look up some examples online…………..just saying….
…………………………………………………………………………
or just read 90% of my comments…………

Paul

January 10th, 2013
4:10 pm

Homerun

“Congress can’t reign in spending, so just saying it is a silly debate is misleading and disingenuous by Jay. the Debt Ceiling debate is not about paying the old bills, it is about slowing down the increasing debt and eliminating the deficit for next year and the years after.”

That’s repeated a lot. Unfortunately, it’s inaccurate.

To review:

Congress authorizes spending thru the appropriations process. They pass spending bills which the president signs. It authorizes agencies to spend up to a certain amount of money for specific things.

Agencies begin spending as soon as funds are available.

Congress can fund that spending thru tax receipts or thru borrowing. If they won’t fund the spending thru tax receipts, that leaves thru borrowing. Spending in excess of revenue creates the yearly deficits and these are added together to make the debt.

There’s this thing called the debt limit that Congress has to raise when they’ve borrowed what they’ve already authorized. Notice how they authorize spending that’ll take them past the limit, then they have to raise the limit? I know, it’s inefficient. But welcome to Congress. They’re inefficient.

So not raising the limit will not ’slow the increasing debt.” Congress can do that by appropriating less money OR by raising revenue thru taxation. But the hoopla over the debt ceiling is mere theatrics and political grandstanding by Republicans in Congress.

And it’s also a very effective diversionary tactic that people are all to ready to buy into as a way to ’stop the spending.’

chuck

January 10th, 2013
4:11 pm

Seriously Folks…REALLY!?!? You just proved his freakin point. “Protestant subjects” were the CITIZENS at that time. So all CITIZENS had that right. You might as well say there is no right to vote since convicted felons lose the right.

I will ask you one question, though I doubt you can answer it since it involves history. When the SHOOTING WAR started with the Brits, where were they going and what was the purpose of that little trip into the countryside?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:11 pm

Do you know how stupid you sound with that?

too bad he didn’t say any of that!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:12 pm

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
4:13 pm

Obama just picked a Muslim cleric to deliver the benediction!

OMG!

psyche

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
4:13 pm

Kam: Too many cowboys believe that if they were in an active shooter scenario then they would automatically identify the bad guy.

We’d like to think that, but people failed to recognize Ted Bundy or that fat guy who dressed as a clown, as a threat until it was too late.

That scruffy guy who looks like a wino could be an undercover cop or that woman you think is a prost-it-tute could be a cop working for the vice squad.

And you’re right, all those guns all over the place is just one big lawsuit waiting to happen.

The Good Samaritan law wouldn’t help them if they accidentally shot an undercover cop on duty.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm

Keep Up
the 2nd amendment prohibits the US government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms

Nope. Fail. Read Heller. The US govt can regulate many things about guns and arms without violating the 2d amendment
…………………………………………………………………………………………………….
Read Heller. Nowhere did it say the Federal Government can infringe
the right to keep and bear arms.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
4:14 pm

where were they going and what was the purpose of that little trip into the countryside?

to a monster truck rally?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 10th, 2013
4:16 pm

where were they going and what was the purpose of that little trip into the countryside?

No, really, I think they were heading to a UMass football game. They were in a hurry to get to the tailgating party.

weetamoe

January 10th, 2013
4:17 pm

Democrat Jerold Waddler apparently got his brilliant idea from a *Simpsons* segment where Mr Burns filched a note of that amount (or larger, I’m not sure) issued by the fed and intended to cover the Marshall plan after WW11. Or maybe from Mr Obama, who filched a whole buncha taxpayer money for a phony *stimulus* package with the promise that it would fund (non-existent) shovel-ready jobs.

GT

January 10th, 2013
4:17 pm

Now there are two things our “not the greatest generation” will be known for. One was to soil the good name of our country’s credit for the protection of the rich and the other is introducing thugs in the church as representatives. Nothing we touch has been left holly or a virgin. Nice people we turned out to be.

chuck

January 10th, 2013
4:18 pm

Paul, I was with you until your last couple of paragraphs. By refusing to raise the debt ceiling they are DE FACTO cutting spending. Agencies and departments can only spend money THAT IS AVAILABLE. If they don’t raise taxes and they don’t borrow money, then the money, though authorized, cannot be spent because it is not available.

GT

January 10th, 2013
4:21 pm

When the country decided, in the Bush administration, to empty the treasury to save a few obviously ungrateful Wall Street banks under some sense they were saving a world that seemed to suffer even after the check was written, we compromised the firewall between the universe and home. You see we have had bank failures before, lived through them, rich people lose these rear ends, stupidity was punished, but we have never had the disease of the day infect the foundation of government. We have helped the down trodden individual but here we helped the wealthy, make side bets that had little to do with the actually product they were betting on. We backed a day in Las Vegas or more like a decade in Las Vegas by the cronies of the Republican Party.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
4:21 pm

Chuck

refusing to raise the debt ceiling they are DE FACTO cutting spending. Agencies and departments can only spend money THAT IS AVAILABLE.

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That’s a real big NOPE.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:22 pm

Bullfrog crap Frog. We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this
country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the
many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun
ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the
District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that
problem, including some measures regulating handguns,
see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26.
But the enshrinement of
constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy
choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition
of handguns held and used for self-defense in the
home.

chuck

January 10th, 2013
4:22 pm

I’ll help you out Finn, they were headed to the Colonial arsenal at Concord to seize weapons and ammunition that were being stored. The first thing a despot does is confiscate guns. It’s too hard to overcome an armed citizenry! WOLVERINES!

chuck

January 10th, 2013
4:23 pm

Sorry Granny, they let you use a computer at the rest home?

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
4:25 pm

“By refusing to raise the debt ceiling they are DE FACTO cutting spending”

And that route leads to a shut-down of the government. How many soldiers do you think are going to continue to put their lives on the line when there’s no money for food, clothing, ammunition, water, etc. etc. etc.

Not paying the bills means TOTAL SHUTDOWN. Everything. As in ALL. And then there’s the little matter Amendment 14 “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned”

To not borrow the money, or otherwise cover the expenses ALREADY authorized would be a Constitutional violation.

GT

January 10th, 2013
4:25 pm

There is an intersection of the economics where the mask falls off the creditability of the US Treasury and the economy at large. This country’s credit is a large part of who we are. Our signature on century old treaties, US Treasury Bonds, intimidation, any thing this country stands for drowns when our word no longer has weight.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
4:26 pm

Keep Up
Bullfrog crap Frog. We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this
country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the
many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun
ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the
District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that
problem, including some measures regulating handguns,
see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26………………………………………………………………………………………………………
But the enshrinement of
constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy
choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition
of handguns held and used for self-defense in the
home.
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DC cannot prohibit the right to keep and bear arms.

Granny Godzilla

January 10th, 2013
4:26 pm

Chuck

Probably more than they let you at the rehab center.

You’re still dead wrong, Mr. Silly Pants

indigo

January 10th, 2013
4:27 pm

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
4:30 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:38 pm
__________________
That’s the way I feel as well, but I like to hear other people’s ideas.

Kinda wanted to see where Adam feels the solution lies.

Oh, HI EVERYBODY!!! :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:30 pm

Frog, again you need to improve your reading skills and you are moving goalposts. I have never said anything about banning all guns. Heller dealt with HANDGUNS. Heller says DC cannot absolutely prohibit handgun ownership. You quoted the language and then jumped the shark into some idiot NRA style overreach.

I’ll take your concession.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
4:31 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
3:42 pm
The only problems are that I’m not old and my beard isn’t completely white.
___________________________________
Just For Men by the bucketload, huh? :lol:

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
4:32 pm

This is exactly the type of thing that should be limited to our military and law enforcement.

But………but…………we need guns like that…………for hunting!!

Lynnie Gal

January 10th, 2013
4:35 pm

Hey, if the GOP wants to sink what’s left of our economy by holding it hostage with the silly debt ceiling, then rational people in the government have to come up with a strategy to take away their toy because GOP games with the debt ceiling is the same as letting children play with a loaded gun. You have to do something. If it means minting a $1 trillion coin, so be it. Whatever it takes to avoid negotiating with economic terrorists who also happen to have the maturity of Honey Boo Boo.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:36 pm

You can count on the cons for being consistently wrong with their “facts don’t matter” and they are not even trying to correct their credibility.

Bob

January 10th, 2013
4:37 pm

Jay, if the debt ceiling is not lifted the gov would still have the money to pay our debts if they choose to do so. Revenues will still be coming in and those revenues more than cover the debt obligation. One estimate would be that current revenues would cover 60 to 70% of current spending and debt obligations are only about 6 or 7% of current revenue. And lets not forget that Obama was on record saying that the debt increase should not be raised while he was a senator and Bush was president. For those of you that say raising the debt ceiling is a must please explain where you were on this when Obama was against it.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
4:37 pm

“Whatever it takes to avoid negotiating with economic terrorists who also happen to have the maturity of Honey Boo Boo.”

I suspect that’s a grave insult to Honey Boo Boo

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
4:37 pm

Actually, it kind of astonishing
88.8 guns per 100 residents in the US. To say the Genie is already out of the bottle is an understatement. New legislation won’t change much of anything

It is astonishing.

And with all those guns people wonder why we have such a problem

Its the guns stupid.

This country got tough on DUI’s and passed strict laws.

They cut the number of alcohol related deaths in this country in half.

The same could be done with gun control.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
4:38 pm

chuck

It’s pretty nuanced, but ‘available’ in appropriations law means, in effect, legally approved. I can see how people think it limits spending, but it’s not quite that simple. An example. Many agencies spend much more the first part of the year – it’s not straight-lined thru the year. Some even have a requirement to be 80 percent ’spent’ by the end of the third quarter. Anyhow, what happens is a good deal of the funding goes towards annual contracts. In many cases, the gov’t can cancel but may have to pay ‘damages’ that can equal the value of the annual contract. So Congress doesn’t increase the debt ceiling, agencies cancel contracts and legally, the govt’s still on the hook for the annual amount.

The reality is the spending is not going to decrease UNLESS Congress readdresses the amount originally appropriated and reduces it. (and not to get too far into the weeds, but ‘funding authority’ is not the same as ‘here’s the money.’ It’s more the legal authority to incur obligations to a specified limit in specific areas.) All sorts of dysfunction will go on, but the bills will keep on piling up. Federal employees will continue to get paid (notice how Congress says ‘well, of course we’ll make sure the military gets paid’? They’re already ‘raising the limit’ thru that!)/ Then when the limit’s finally raised all the past due amounts and demand will be met.

Again, it’s a bit of nuance, but to say that Congress appropriates funds, then doesn’t take a required step to raise a borrowing limit so -poof!’ spending stops, won’t resume and our budget problem is solved isn’t the way the system really works.

weetamoe

January 10th, 2013
4:38 pm

Foxbot/talk radio/Limbaugh= saying shut up to people who state facts you do not want to acknowledge. Just look at the statistics in Chicago or close your eyes, but the truth is the murder rate, especially of kids killing kids is astronomical. As far as the availability of guns in the home, aside from suicides, the *accidental* shootings are often the result of mamma’s boyfriend sleeping on the couch with a gun hidden under the cushions in case one of his enemies find out where he is *staying.* He goes off on some business or other, forgets the gun, and one of the kids finds it. And you can find statistics on this too.Or you can froth at the mouth about Foxbots and such.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
4:41 pm

“Revenues will still be coming in and those revenues more than cover the debt obligation”

If that was true (it isn’t) we wouldn’t be having a DEFICIT “crisis”

Bob

January 10th, 2013
4:41 pm

This is for those of you with short memories ! “In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful. “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said. “It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’
Can someone tell me where Obama has stood by the buck stops here statement.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
4:43 pm

Frog – You are the KING of satire! I bow to thee sir!

==============

And that route leads to a shut-down of the government. How many soldiers do you think are going to continue to put their lives on the line when there’s no money for food, clothing, ammunition, water,

Dangit DogGone!!! Stop being sensible and realistic!! You’ve just RUINED his talking points!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
4:43 pm

Brosephus, under some of these proposed bills, with your training in weapons, you could get a “high-paying” career in teaching. Of course, good teachers keep up their skills in teaching, teach classes and in your case, to be armed in the schools, you’d have to keep up your law enforcement weapons training. Should be very very easy, right? :roll:

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:43 pm

Bob,

Did you agree with our President when he said that?

Did you flip flop?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:44 pm

indigo – Wrong again, as usual.

So only guns can murder people?..Try again indigo…I said murder rate and you counter with gun deaths..Take away the guns and murder still happens…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
4:45 pm

“This is for those of you with short memories ! “In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful. ”

I hope you aren’t going around under the illusion that you’re the ONLY PERSON who has ever posted that here. If you are, consider this your disillusionment. You aren’t.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
4:46 pm

Bob

“if the debt ceiling is not lifted the gov would still have the money to pay our debts if they choose to do so. Revenues will still be coming in and those revenues more than cover the debt obligation. One estimate would be that current revenues would cover 60 to 70% of current spending and debt obligations are only about 6 or 7% of current revenue.”

I think you may be confusing terms. Even the most ardent Fox/Hannity listener will tell you we borrow about 40% of what we ’spend.’ to say “debt obligations are only about 6 or 7% of current revenue.” kinda sounds like ‘the amount we owe on interest on the debt for period N is 7% of current revenue estimates.”

Anyhow, it appears you may be mixing a couple of concepts, so a cite would help to sort it out.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
4:47 pm

Just for grins and giggles, I went to the dredded Drudge Report website today to see why some on here disdain this website. It appears that drudge is simply a series of links to other websites. I randomly picked a few links and found: politiker.com, newyork.cbsloca.com, cnsnews.com, myfoxny.com and wnd.com (ok, I understand the dislike of wnd…pretty radical stuff, there). Why do you dislike drudge, when it’s merely links to others reporting? Just curious.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
4:48 pm

Bob

“Can someone tell me where Obama has stood by the buck stops here statement.”

Then-Senator Obama was addressing Congress. He’s still addressing Congress. The ‘buck’ stops with the power to appropriate funds.

Tom Middleton

January 10th, 2013
4:49 pm

So generally we suck at being able to face ourselves and change, well, maybe everybody but folks like the great Ashley Judd. Mitch McConnell sure as hell can’t.

But it ain’t so difficult really, and why is it that the creative types are always the ones to have to show us how to do everything, like change? Oh right; it’s because change is what they do best as part of their process of being creative.

So why couldn’t she be elected, especially in Kentucky, especially if it means having a vibrant representative known all over the world? Yeah, now we’re talking. Maybe it’s just her turn! :)

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
4:49 pm

Take away the guns and murder still happens…

Yeah but a gun sure makes it easier doesn’t it.

Countries where guns are illegal or severely restricted.

Alot less gun violence and murders.

Its the guns stupid.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:49 pm

It was the left that fought against w blowing out our deficit and people like Bob cheered w on.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:52 pm

They cut the number of alcohol related deaths in this country in half.

No “they” didn’t.

Orange13

January 10th, 2013
4:53 pm

Maybe some of the money the vast majority of Americans just got relieved of (Jan 1st) will help Obama get his trillion dollar coin.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
4:55 pm

No “they” didn’t.

Yes “they” did

TODAY

Since the early 1980s, alcohol-related traffic deaths per population have been cut in half with the greatest proportional declines among persons 16-20 years old.

http://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/ViewFactSheet.aspx?csid=24

Id think you’d get tired of being wrong all the time.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:55 pm

Countries where guns are illegal or severely restricted.

Alot less gun violence and murders.

I already proved this wrong…with 1/10 of the guns in Russia the murder rate is 4 times higher

nice try

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:56 pm

cnn is running the trillion dollar story.

It is not as crazy as a debt debacle II by the gop to get another downgrade and market drop they said.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
4:57 pm

DIA — “Why do you dislike drudge, when it’s merely links to others reporting? Just curious.”

Drudge is what’s called an “aggregator,” and IMO, aggregator = lazy.

FWIW, I don’t care for aggregators of any sort, lefty, righty, space alien or otherwise.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
4:59 pm

Since the early 1980s, alcohol-related traffic deaths per population have been cut in half with the greatest proportional declines among persons 16-20 years old.

I’m sure that’s true, but it’s not because of the tougher laws..There is more DUI’s now than ever, which means there are more drunks on the road..and with more drunks the traffic toll went down..why do you suppose that is? When did they start installing SRS systems again?…hmmm

correlation dose not mean causation

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
4:59 pm

Well, they say you can’t learn nothing from watching the federal guvmint but they’re wrong. Next month all the people I owe money to are in for a big suprize when I tell them I ain’t paying because I refused to raise my debt limit and I’m shutting down.

It’s quitting time everybody. Have a good night.

Bob

January 10th, 2013
4:59 pm

We are borrowing 30 to 40 cents of every dollar we spend creating new debt. But we are told that unless we raise the debt ceiling we cannot pay debt obligations on current debt. We will have the revenue to cover our obligations on current debt. That does not mean we will not incur new debt, it means we are being lied to when someone says we can’t cover current debt obligations unless the debt limit is raised. The debt limit just allows for new debt and has nothing to do with debt incurred already.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:00 pm

Bob: “In March 2006, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., found the notion of raising the debt ceiling quite distasteful.

Bob, let’s go back a little further why don’t we? How about back in 2004 when the House Led GOP decided to “do away with” Pay-As-You-Go legislation because, it was just too much trouble?

That’s why then, Sen. Obama, in 2006; objected to raising the debt limit — also, let’s go back to 2008 when the Dems REINSTATED Pay-As-You-Go and all those “fiscal conservatives” had a fit. Stating that by bringing back PAYG, they were “tying the hands” of then President Bush.

If you wanna talk history Bob — you’ve come to the right blog. Lots of people with LONG memories here…

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
5:00 pm

Con claim: There are millions of cars on the road so you cannot just change the rules to include things like driver’s licenses and insurance and speed limits and seat belts, etc., and expect to change anything. :roll:

Give it a rest cons. You are wrong.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:01 pm

I’m sure that’s true, but it’s not because of the tougher laws..

It most certainly is.

Any further argument with you is fruitless

You are a lost cause.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
5:01 pm

getalife — “It is not as crazy as a debt debacle II by the gop to get another downgrade and market drop they said.”

I don’t know about that. It’d be *terribly* inflationary for the US, and it would probably drive US bond buyers and brokers screaming for the exits.

Bad idea, IMO.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:03 pm

“We are borrowing 30 to 40 cents of every dollar we spend creating new debt”

And do you actually know WHY we borrow that much? Because taxes taken in DON’T COVER IT.

“The debt limit just allows for new debt and has nothing to do with debt incurred already”

Got proof?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:03 pm

You are a lost cause

And you are just wrong

Uh Huh

January 10th, 2013
5:04 pm

McConnell being a Hollywood leading man???????

Not with that UGLY DOG MUG.

Ashley Judd for the U.S. Senate.

Run Ashley Run

Uh huh

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
5:04 pm

Joe Hussein Mama

January 10th, 2013
4:57 pm

Thanks, Joe

Paul

January 10th, 2013
5:05 pm

Lots of comments here about the background and intent/meaning of 2nd amendment. Bit disappointing no one referenced the majority/minority opinions in District of Columbia v Heller. ‘course , it is pretty long. Be that as it may, here’s a succinct background on how those decisions are arrived at. The entire talk is worthwhile, but knowing that nearly every person on this blog already knows a whole lot about constitutional law, the history of the constitution, how decisions are rendered, etc and they definitely don’t need any of that pesky background stuff, you can skip ahead to the 22-minute mark to hear why the case was decided the way it was. It’s federal Judge Thomas Griffith on “The Hard Work of Understanding the Constitution.”

http://byutv.org/watch/d874d1da-9ca7-42c7-b09e-430950ba51d4/byu-forum-address-judge-thomas-b-griffith-91812

Do I guess correctly that just the title will be enough to cause some to skip it?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:05 pm

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:05 pm

It most certainly is

The only time the law gets a drunk off the road is around the 3rd or 4th DUI…and if the laws were working there wouldn’t be a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th DUI

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:06 pm

Joe,

Welching on the debt is ignorant.

It is a last resort to match the craziness from the gop.

DannyX

January 10th, 2013
5:06 pm

Government Motors expansion creates 1,000 new Georgia jobs!

Socialism is great!

Wait a minute

January 10th, 2013
5:07 pm

Not raising the debt ceiling would not be the end of the world. Government would still be able to meet its past debt obligations with $2.+ trillion a year it collects, just wouldn’t be able to spend any more than it collects. Wait a minute, that makes too much sense. Force the government to balance its budget? Pish posh. Just cut defense, Medicare, SS, and other entitleyments by about 1/3 and we are there. It can be done.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:08 pm

2012 Gun Homicides

Australia 18
Canada 173
England 41
France 35
Ireland 21
Japan 11
Spain 90
United States 9,146

Its the guns stupid.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
5:08 pm

Cheesy,

You are right on both counts.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

Almost two weeks after a shooting spree stunned Australia in 1996, leaving 35 people dead at the Port Arthur tourist spot in Tasmania, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

Keep Up
Frog, again you need to improve your reading skills and you are moving goalposts. I have never said anything about banning all guns. Heller dealt with HANDGUNS. Heller says DC cannot absolutely prohibit handgun ownership. You quoted the language and then jumped the shark into some idiot NRA style overreach.

I’ll take your concession.
………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
What are you talking about? This discussion began with the right to keep
and bear arms preceding the constitution. Do you think I am saying that the
government has no control over firearms ? or other arms ?

Paul

January 10th, 2013
5:10 pm

Bob

” That does not mean we will not incur new debt, it means we are being lied to when someone says we can’t cover current debt obligations unless the debt limit is raised. The debt limit just allows for new debt and has nothing to do with debt incurred already.”

Gov’t sells bonds to finance debt. Ordinary people buy bonds. Interest is paid on those bonds. Don’t you think that having a past debt instrument (financed under the old debt ceiling limits) then having to pay interest //with funds not from tax receipts but from borrowing// will affect new debt?

TBS

January 10th, 2013
5:11 pm

“There is more DUI’s now than ever, which means there are more drunks on the road.”

Is that necessarily true? Does the fact the the legal limit being lowered have anything to do with increased DUI #s?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:11 pm

Grits – People get murder w/o guns every day

It’s the people stupid

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
5:12 pm

The law does not have to remove every single DUI offender from the road in order for it to reduce DUI offenses or deaths caused by DUI’s. Further, there are more changes than simply a DUI law at work to reduce DUI offenses and their negative impact. These are multi-variable issues with multi-variable solutions and the lump sum effects are what count–not some isolated variable at some given point in time.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

The only time the law gets a drunk off the road is around the 3rd or 4th DUI…

Dead wrong.

The penalties for the first offense are very very severe. And getting tougher each year.

Yes there will be the nut who gets 17 of them

But for most people these days 1 is enough.

This is why the Death tolls have dropped dramatically.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

Wait a minute

“just wouldn’t be able to spend any more than it collects.”

That’s no problem?

Fine.

Tell us how to cut federal spending by 40 percent.

Today.

You just indicated it’s no big deal.

Put up before you change your moniker again, okay?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

The only drunks are here on this blog! oy vey!

===========

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since.

that’s cause Aussies are Wussies Cheesy!

It ain’t easy being Cheesy is it?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
5:13 pm

Just cut defense, Medicare, SS, and other entitleyments by about 1/3 and we are there. It can be done.

What a nut! I got a confession to make. I been drawing SS and getting covered by Medicare for the past four years, and it’s Sweeeeeeet! Matter of fact they even raise my SS every year when a current income year kicks out a low income year. I don’t know how I’d make it if I had to live on my salary alone. And there’s plenty more out there just like me.

So keep yo mouth shut, Wait a Minute. Mind your own business. I say let the people out there think that all the older folks are barely getting by on their measly SS.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
5:14 pm

The next thing you know, some con will claim that global warming is not happening because it was cooler today than yesterday (although it wasn’t but that’s beside the point). The longer term trends tell the story–not short-term fluctuations.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:14 pm

Is that necessarily true? Does the fact the the legal limit being lowered have anything to do with increased DUI #s?

maybe…but my point is tougher DUI laws have removed very few drunks from the road. It has turned into a cash cow for the municipalities but has done little to make the roads safer

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:16 pm

Cat: Grits – People get murder w/o guns every day. It’s the people stupid

Correct again Cat!!

Guns don’t kill people!! People WITH Guns kill people!!

Its so simple — I don’t understand WHY Cheesy can’t get it! :roll:

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:17 pm

“but my point is tougher DUI laws have removed very few drunks from the road.

And your evidence for that would be?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:17 pm

not short-term fluctuations.

how do you define short term in a millionion of weather?

TBS

January 10th, 2013
5:17 pm

EC

Agree, but not sure if there is a definitive way to say there are “more drunks” on the road or however you phrased it.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:18 pm

congress appropriated our debt then wants to welch and cons give them a free pass.

It is ignorant and congress is to blame.

The gop are a joke.

We found out from woodward’s book (all gop’s words and gop biased) that the speaker will not negotiate because Lew kicked his azz.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm

Grits – People get murder w/o guns every day

It’s the people stupid

Yes but guns make it alot easier.

You come at me with a knife im gonna kick your a**

Come at me with a gun im a dead man.

Big difference

Its the guns stupid.

Bob

January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm

Paul, my point was that we have money from current revenue to cover current debt obligations. We are told that if we do not raise the debt limit we will default on current obligation. We need the debt limit raised to issue new debt not to cover payments on old debt, some do not grasp that. I don’t see why you imply that past debt would be covered by borrowing when we do have the revenue to cover those payments.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm

Whats a millionion of weather?

Is it like a millie vanilli opinion? Where it looks like its the right answer, but it’s just a fake answer dressed up with a wig on it?

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:19 pm

Your first conviction in Ga. for DUI gets you a one-year suspension of your sentence. So in most cases, yes, it does get you off the road.

A second offense within five years gets you a three-year suspension of your driving privileges. Again, I’d say that gets you off the road in most cases.

Oscar

January 10th, 2013
5:20 pm

In order to make cuts, congress has to pss legisltion. Tht’s not too likely to happen unless this congress is better than the last one.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:21 pm

And your evidence for that would be?

1.5 million DUI’s a year…a DUI doesn’t take anyone off the road for longer than a few months if that

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:21 pm

The point being we should make killing another human being as hard as possible

Not easier ( guns )

Class Re-Dismissed.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
5:21 pm

Well, it’s Miller time! Later peeps!

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:22 pm

“I don’t see why you imply that past debt would be covered by borrowing when we do have the revenue to cover those payments.”

How about providing some interesting things called NUMBERS to back up what you say?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
5:22 pm

BF 4:07: the 2nd amendment prohibits the US government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms [as I quoted]

My comment 4:10: Nope. Fail. Read Heller. The US govt can regulate many things about guns and arms without violating the 2d amendment.

BF response 4:14: Read Heller. Nowhere did it say the Federal Government can infringe
the right to keep and bear arms

My response 4:22: Bullfrog crap [....] “The Constitution leaves the
District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that
problem, including some measures regulating handguns,
see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of
constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy
choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition
of handguns held and used for self-defense in the
home.”

Your response 4:26: DC cannot prohibit the right to keep and bear arms

My response 4:30: [...] Heller dealt with HANDGUNS. Heller says DC cannot absolutely prohibit handgun ownership. [...]

If you don’t comprehend what you were saying, Frog, perhaps you need to be clearer. Again Heller says nothing about not allowing the government to impose restrictions and only says the government can not ABSOLUTELY prohibit HANDGUN ownership. Anything else is dicta and the case does not stand for your claim that “DC cannot prohibit the right to keep and bear arms.” In fact it can. It can preclude that right for criminals, the mentally ill and others, even in HANDGUNS.

Oscar

January 10th, 2013
5:23 pm

Bob – you are on yur figures. Revenues are not enough too cover past debt interst and current obligations created by congess.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:23 pm

Fred

I saw that episode of Mythbusters, and I thought it was pretty cool. I have almost the entire Flying Guillotine series of movies. As to the screen name, I spell it correctly. You just have to know where it originated from.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/05/this-new-roommate-is-driving-me-nuts.html

(h/t to RW-the Original)

————————-

TBG

No Just For Men here. I’m watching it change naturally so that I can take my place amongst the “grown folk” in my family. :)

————————-

Keep

Yep!!! It’s not like teachers don’t really have anything else to do but train on the range and in the mat room.

:)

Homerun

January 10th, 2013
5:23 pm

at some point the money has to get paid back- interest rates are low right now, so what happens when this short term debt has to be refinanced at higher interest rates, which will certainly be at some point in the future. So if we keep adding to the debt every year, and then interest rates go up, we will have a bigger problem. the debt ceiling will have to be raised to satisfy the debts Congress has authorized. But how or who is going to stop the problem from continuing? Sometimes you have to use a harsh tactic to get the message across to people who continue to think we can keep going down the same path. The Libs don’t even acknowledge the problem and think somehow we will spend and tax our way out of this problem. That won’t work, never has and isn’t now. So the debt ceiling negotiations are a way of bringing needed attention to a problem that to solve will mean alienating low information voters and have Congresspeople risk not being re-elected. America is having a hard time dealing with the reality of the situation- nobody is willing to give up “theirs”

Bob

January 10th, 2013
5:23 pm

Cheesey, are more people killed by hammers or assault rifles ? I will save you some time, go with blunt force trauma. You may kick ass if someone came at you with a knife but statistics show more people are killed by getting whacked in the head than killed with an assault rifle.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
5:26 pm

Bob

“Paul, my point was that we have money from current revenue to cover current debt obligations.”

Let me clarify: is what you’re saying is that if we don’t increase the debt limit, we will not issue any new debt obligations AND the revenue we have is sufficient to cover interest due on current debt obligations without spending on anything else?

Are you saying it’d be just fine if ALL other spending by the federal government stopped immediately upon hitting the debt ceiling?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:27 pm

Your first conviction in Ga. for DUI gets you a one-year suspension of your sentence. So in most cases, yes, it does get you off the road.

when did they change the law?..I know someone that got convicted of one a 6 mos ago and he still driving..and never lost all of his privileges..for a short time he could only drive back and forth to work..but that was only for a few months

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:27 pm

1.5 million DUI’s a year…a DUI doesn’t take anyone off the road for longer than a few months if that

Listen. I run with a crowd and a few are pretty serious drinkers.

If you dont think for one second that not getting a DUI and designating a driver aren’t top priority for those folks because they know exactly what hell awaits them if the get a DUI

Then your are nuts.

People lose their jobs. I think in a lot of towns they run your name in the paper and mugshot.

I know one guy who had to get a device in his car that he had to blow in every so often or the car would shut off.

You’ve lost this one. Id quit digging.

Tougher laws & Awareness and other things have led to the drop in fatalities.

The same could be applied to the gun problem in this country.

Fin

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:28 pm

We need a law to keep the gop from blowing a balanced budget again after we balance the budget again or just work on lowering the debt.

The other half of your brain.

January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:09 pm

Almost two weeks after a shooting spree stunned Australia in 1996, leaving 35 people dead at the Port Arthur tourist spot in Tasmania, the government issued sweeping reforms of the country’s gun laws.

There hasn’t been a mass shooting since.

When you have basically a homogeneous society it’s a lot easier than one like ours.
That was an easy one.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm

.I know someone that got convicted of one a 6 mos ago and he still driving..and never lost all of his privileges

He either got lucky or paid a lot of money for a lawyer.

Either way that’s not typical.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm

Come at me with a gun im a dead man.

not if you CCW’d

indigo

January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm

Erwin’s cat – 4:44

That’s what I thought you would say.

America is an open country where gun stats can easily be obtained.

Russia is, by contrast, a very closed country. We don’t really know how many people have guns.

After the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia, for a time, was a mess, and we still don’t know where many of their Military weapons went, much less handguns and assualt rifles.

If their murder rate is that much higher than ours, you must also take into account the quality of their law enforcement, or lack thereof.

The other half of your brain.

January 10th, 2013
5:30 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:28 pm

We need a law to keep the gop from blowing a balanced budget again after we balance the budget again or just work on lowering the debt.

Get, You and I won’t see it in our lifetime with a 16 Trillion debt.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:31 pm

“We need a law to keep the gop from blowing a balanced budget again after we balance the budget again or just work on lowering the debt”

Here’s the problem with that: if the GOP gets back in power there’s nothing to stop them from passing a change to that law. Passing the law isn’t enough, you’d have to find a way to keep them from coming back into power too. Got a plan for that?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:31 pm

Either way that’s not typical

unfortunately it is..I know one guy with 3…maybe 4 he still drives w/o restrictions…and has paid handsomely for lawyers and fines and schools etc…

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:32 pm

“Yes but guns make it alot easier.

You come at me with a knife im gonna kick your a**

Come at me with a gun im a dead man.

Big difference

Its the guns stupid.

Not to mention the fact that possessing a gun turns a coward into a badass who thinks he can take on the world. It changes behavior dramatically.

indigo

January 10th, 2013
5:33 pm

Debbie – 5:16

And alcohol, drugs and texting while driving doesn’t kill people.

People drinking, doing drugs and texting while driving kill people.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:33 pm

Good point Indigo.

Americans should read about the collapse of the USSR to see if that is really what they want.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:33 pm

Russia is, by contrast, a very closed country. We don’t really know how many people have guns.

LOL
so you’re calling out the Harvard Review?…check out the big brain on indigo

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:34 pm

“Come at me with a gun im a dead man.

not if you CCW’d

Yeah. Tell that one to Keith Ratliff.

indigo

January 10th, 2013
5:34 pm

Jay – 5:32

Some people here still don’t understand that you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:34 pm

“Got a plan for that?”

Never, ever vote gop.

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

If somebody comes at you with a firearm, and you have yet to reach into your shoulder holster to pull your own weapon, your Rambo fantasy ends pretty quickly.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
5:00 pm
Con claim: There are millions of cars on the road so you cannot just change the rules to include things like driver’s licenses and insurance and speed limits and seat belts, etc., and expect to change anything.
__________________________________
Do you have a link to a “con”, or ANYONE for that matter, saying that?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

cat,

Who ran the USSR after they collapsed?

indigo

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

Ewrin

Do you think the Harvard Review sent thousands of people to Russia to question millions of Russians about their gun ownership?

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:36 pm

Taxpayer, ANYONE other than YOU that is…

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:36 pm

Not to mention the fact that possessing a gun turns a coward into a badass who thinks he can take on the world.

when I carry, I don’t turn into Chuck Norris or feel like..I feel like I can protect myself from a threat of violence against me…nothing more

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:36 pm

“Some people here still don’t understand that you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.”

Might want to check out the Mythbusters episode on that before you sound so sure

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:37 pm

Who ran the USSR after they collapsed?

Russia and still does

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:38 pm

“Never, ever vote gop”

Ok, now you just have to convince at least half of your fellow voters of that. Got plan for THAT?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:39 pm

Do you think the Harvard Review sent thousands of people to Russia to question millions of Russians about their gun ownership?

No, I think they just make stuff up on the fly :roll:

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:39 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

Are you saying that airbags, anti-lock brakes, crumple zones, and other automobile safety advances have ZERO affect in the decline of traffic deaths?

Really?

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:39 pm

In today’s school shooting in California, the shooter walked in with a shotgun and wounded one student.

What kind of damage would he have done with a Bushmaster and a large-capacity magazine?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:40 pm

“Get, You and I won’t see it in our lifetime with a 16 Trillion debt”

We can work on lowering the debt but should never balance the budget unless we can stop your party from blowing it again.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:41 pm

Are you saying that airbags, anti-lock brakes, crumple zones, and other automobile safety advances have ZERO affect in the decline of traffic deaths?

probably saved a lot of drunk and innocent lives

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
5:41 pm

gotta run for now…maybe back later

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:41 pm

“What kind of damage would he have done with a Bushmaster and a large-capacity magazine?”

Not enought information to speculate. How was he stopped?

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:41 pm

Uh Huh

January 10th, 2013
5:04 pm
McConnell being a Hollywood leading man???????

Not with that UGLY DOG MUG.
_________________________
Yeah, ’cause Billy Bob Thorton, Forrest Whittaker, Jack Black, and others are just DREAMY. :roll:

getalife

January 10th, 2013
5:43 pm

Jay,

I read a teacher talked him down but with an assault rifle that teacher would be shot multiple times.

Should we be shown pictures of those kids shot multiple times?

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:43 pm

“Are you saying that airbags, anti-lock brakes, crumple zones, and other automobile safety advances have ZERO affect in the decline of traffic deaths?

I doubt that’s what he’s saying. All those advances — advances mandated by government regulation over the complaints of manufacturers, by the way — have of course had an effect.

As might mandatory gun locks, palm-print readers and bans on large-capacity magazines, among other steps.

N-GA

January 10th, 2013
5:44 pm

Armstrong (and the baseball players) were all wrong, but the culture that heaps adulation on pro wrestlers who cheat (even though it is all fake), that says that NASCAR racers are only cheating “when they get caught”, that gives high ratings to all the crappy movies and TV shows that emphasize winning at any cost (including cheating) certainly must accept a large measure of the blame…..

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:44 pm

Don’t know, Dog. Don’t know what type of shotgun he wielded either.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
5:44 pm

Doggone/GA

I knew the guy in charge of training for the Sheriff’s dept in the Fl city I lived in. That pretty much mirrored their training – guy with a knife approaches closer than N feet, shoot or he’ll take you out.

oldguy

January 10th, 2013
5:45 pm

So Jay,
therefore there is no drunk driving in Georgia right? It’s against the law!
The school shooting in California…. Committed with a shotgun…So what now, ban all shotguns? Sounds logical to me.
The report also states “The shooter may have had up to 20 shotgun rounds in his pockets.” How about banning all high capacity pockets in boy’s pants?
And you honestly think that we gun owners don’t realize that the political goal of you gun haters is a step by step banning of firearms.
Remember the saying “every journey begins with the first step”?
My next door neighbor left Wed for his annual visit to Germany to visit relatives. He has told me many times about how his grandparents actually thought when Hitler became chancellor he would be a reformer and bring jobs and prosperity to Germany That was what he said. Just believe in me.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
5:45 pm

Keep Up
So You are saying that the government infringes the right to keep
and bear arms by regulation of certain people and arms. I don’t
think so. The right is infringed when it is taken away. Guns have
been regulated since they were invented and other arms also.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:46 pm

Cheesy “This is why the Death tolls have dropped dramatically.”

Improved vehicle safety has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it, right?

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:47 pm

“So Jay,
therefore there is no drunk driving in Georgia right?

When you cross the line into inanity in your opening sentence, it doesn’t bode well for the rest of your post.

In this case, the rest of the post proves that suspicion justified.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:50 pm

Yes but guns make it alot easier.

You come at me with a knife im gonna kick your a**

That’s not always the case. Check this blog entry out. There’s photos linked within that blog, but I won’t link directly to them because they are graphic.

http://blogidaho.blogspot.com/2007/01/why-cops-shoot-guys-with-knives.html

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
5:52 pm

“Don’t know, Dog. Don’t know what type of shotgun he wielded either”

then it’s not worth trying to discuss. I can IMAGINE a lot of things…but guesswork means nothing.

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:53 pm

And geniuses like this fool REALLY make the case for why certain people can’t be trusted with powerful firearms.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/unhinged-tactical-response-ceo-threatens-to-start-killing-people-over-obamas-gun-control/

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:55 pm

Bro – “TBG

No Just For Men here. I’m watching it change naturally so that I can take my place amongst the “grown folk” in my family. ”
_____________________
You’ve seen mine. Started going that way when my daughter entered high school.

Thought about dying it, but women seem to like it, so who am I to argue? :lol:

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:55 pm

That pretty much mirrored their training – guy with a knife approaches closer than N feet, shoot or he’ll take you out.

Where N = 21, otherwise known as the 21 foot rule.

:)

Bob

January 10th, 2013
5:56 pm

The debt ceiling fiasco is so odd, in that every previous President’s request were always honored. Reagan raised it 18 times in his 8 years, Bush Jr raised it 7 times in his 8 years. Makes one wonder if Obama were a Republican if we’d even anything about the debt ceiling?

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:58 pm

What kind of damage would he have done with a Bushmaster and a large-capacity magazine?

Here’s a bit of information about the potential damage. This one has graphic images too.

http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=17111.0

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
5:58 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:29 pm
.I know someone that got convicted of one a 6 mos ago and he still driving..and never lost all of his privileges

He either got lucky or paid a lot of money for a lawyer.

Either way that’s not typical.
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It’s a lot more typical than you think. Google “DUI Lawyer” and see.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:59 pm

TBG

Don’t dye it bro. I’m gonna trim mine back down now that Christmas is over with.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:03 pm

Jay 5:53

Looks like the latest justification for owning guns is not to protect us from a tyrannical government, but to protect us from gun nuts.

Bob 5:56

One more piece of evidence this is nothing more than political theater by Republicans.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
6:04 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:39 pm
In today’s school shooting in California, the shooter walked in with a shotgun and wounded one student.

What kind of damage would he have done with a Bushmaster and a large-capacity magazine?
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Jay, I don’t think *that* particular gunman would have caused more damage if he had a Bushmaster.

A shot gun can cause a lot more damage than a .22 cal.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:04 pm

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
5:23 pm

Fred

I saw that episode of Mythbusters, and I thought it was pretty cool. I have almost the entire Flying Guillotine series of movies. As to the screen name, I spell it correctly. You just have to know where it originated from.

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2011/05/this-new-roommate-is-driving-me-nuts.html

(h/t to RW-the Original)
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Really? So that ass clown can’t spell and that validates you/ OK. I forget what is your daughters name? Thyphony? Or is it Scharleize? Or maybe Fylysitie.

My real name is Zhiqurtl. That’s pronounced “Bill.”

indigo

January 10th, 2013
6:05 pm

Doggone/GA – 5:36

OK, in your case an exception will be made.

You would bring only a knife to a gunfight.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
6:08 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:43 pm
“Are you saying that airbags, anti-lock brakes, crumple zones, and other automobile safety advances have ZERO affect in the decline of traffic deaths?

I doubt that’s what he’s saying. All those advances — advances mandated by government regulation over the complaints of manufacturers, by the way — have of course had an effect.

As might mandatory gun locks, palm-print readers and bans on large-capacity magazines, among other steps.
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I get that Jay.

Just pointing out to Cheesy that it was not one thing (DUI Laws), but many things the contributed to the decline.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
6:08 pm

Fred

LOL!!!!!!

Bob

January 10th, 2013
6:09 pm

doggone, do you really need someone to provide numbers for that ? Our 2012 budget calls for about 7% of it to be spent on covering debt obligations, interest on debt that is. If we are borrowing 40% of new money spent that means we have 60% to cover budget items. 60% minus 7% means we have money to cover the current debt obligation and we are being lied to when we are told we will default on current debt obligations. http://usbudgetalert.com/spending.php.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
6:12 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:39 pm

In today’s school shooting in California, the shooter walked in with a shotgun and wounded one student.

What kind of damage would he have done with a Bushmaster and a large-capacity magazine?

So, now we have to deal with what could have been, too?

oldguy

January 10th, 2013
6:12 pm

Thank you for making my point jay,
Laws are only as effective as there are people who are willing to obey them.
What is smuggled by the ton over the border from Mexico? Marijuana.
Why? because there are millions of Americans who are willing to ignore the law and purchase/use it illegally.
from the insane person.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm

Bro, not going to dye it.

The lady I’m seeing right now likes it. Says it’s sexy.

The grey stays. :lol:

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:35 pm

If somebody comes at you with a firearm, and you have yet to reach into your shoulder holster to pull your own weapon, your Rambo fantasy ends pretty quickly.

And, folks that choose to defend themselves are now “Rambo?” Wow

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm

Brocephus: I couldn’t resist :mrgreen:

But on a serious note, until I pointed it out, did you ever notice the way I spelled your screen name over the way you mis-spell it? I never noticed until today when I mentioned it…….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm

TBG: Jay, I don’t think *that* particular gunman would have caused more damage if he had a Bushmaster. A shot gun can cause a lot more damage than a .22 cal.

You are entitled to your opinion but “cause a lot more damage” may be relative. Sure a shotgun can blast in one direction with shot but with the Bushmaster you can fire multiple .223/5.56 mm in different directions and at multiple targets. So your statement has validity in limited scenarios and not the most likely ones in a mass attack situation.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm

Bob

Your scenario presupposes debt obligations take priority over all else.

Nice way to end the war in Afghanistan, though -

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:16 pm

Bob

And shut down border inspections. And tell the FAA to go home. And cut funding for CIA operations tracking AQ.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:16 pm

Oh and Brocephus? ALABAMA IS RANKED NUMBER TWO IN THE NATION

Really. According to one of the computers that they use for the BCS rankings.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/one-bcs-computer-still-ranks-notre-dame-no-185628284–ncaaf.html

All you can do is say, “Just damn.”

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
6:16 pm

There was some debate on here today as to whether Eric Holder used the word, “brainwash” or not. After hearing it on the news tonight, I looked it up…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-R0P0jB6-U

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:17 pm

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm

Bro, not going to dye it.

The lady I’m seeing right now likes it. Says it’s sexy.
+++++++++++++++++

And this is the same lady that wouldn’t give you your ballsack to go watch football on the final football Saturday of the season?

Hope that works out for you……….

Jay

January 10th, 2013
6:22 pm

“A shot gun can cause a lot more damage than a .22 cal.

Depending on the shotgun, of course. A traditional double-barrel can do immediate damage, but once fired takes time to reload. A semi-auto is much more dangerous.

But dismissing the Bushmaster as a “.22″ is more than a little misleading, given that .223 rounds have roughly three times the muzzle velocity of a .22 long rifle round, and you can empty a 30-round magazine in less than a minute if it doesn’t jam.

Brosephus™

January 10th, 2013
6:23 pm

Fred

You’re not the only one who misspelled it. It’s just not that big of a deal since there’s no other name remotely near mine. I saw that #2 ranking while looking for championship t-shirts.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm

Fred, btw, missed your post last night but yes I have seen that show. In fact, I recommended it to a friend who loves to ride.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm

But dismissing the Bushmaster as a “.22″ is more than a little misleading

Understatement of the Century. And anyone who would try to do so is either the dumbest person on the face of the earth or the biggest liar. Either way, they should be shunned.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:25 pm

Keep: I think I’m in love with Angie Carlson. I don’t want no wimpy woman and she sure as heck ain’t a wimpy woman……..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:28 pm

Fred, I think you are buying the beer next time. I’d hate for your wife to have to see that post. ;) :lol: And no, wimpy is not the term that would even cross my mind. ;)

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:31 pm

Jay is ripping off David O’Brien from the sports section.

As for the coin, Taxpayer said that was a great idea. Suddenly, Taxpayer looks even MORE ignorant.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
6:31 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
6:22 pm

“A shot gun can cause a lot more damage than a .22 cal.

At short range, you are right. But, back up 100 feet and it’s a different story. The thing about .22 caliber is, shot into the chest cavity, for example, it tends to not exit the body, instead tends to bounce around, damaging organs as it goes.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:31 pm

“A semi-auto is much more dangerous.

A car is even more dangerous because cars kill more people than guns.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
6:32 pm

What kind of intelligence thinks that the US Military gave up
30 caliber rifles for 22 rifles ?

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:33 pm

Jay, if you think Mitch will lose to a third rate actress you’ve got another thing coming. Minn is a bat $hit crazy state and KY will NOT elect an actress.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:34 pm

The next round of HOF players will include Maddox and Glavine.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:34 pm

A car is even more dangerous because cars kill more people than guns.

Stop the presses….now that is in-depth analysis. :roll: But it is representative of the NRA absurd talking points.

Hammer time in 3….2….1

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:34 pm

Where’s JamVet? Is gonna have more angry old man melt downs like he did last night?

Can’t wait for him to tell me to “get off his lawn.”

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:35 pm

Keep.

NRA membership added 100,000 members in the last week.

Hammer time indeed.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:35 pm

Well, all I can say after reading this is, isn’t anything I’ve read causes more fear and danger than a really mad Mrs. Redneck Convert with a cast iron frying pan. Both are deadly weapons, she can whack you with that frying pan faster than you can empty the clip on a 30-round mag and it’s a shield against anything you might want to hit back with.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:36 pm

…possessing a gun turns a coward into a badass who thinks he can take on the world.

No doubt.

Speaking of cowards, other than the insane, utterly realistic admonition to put armed guns in every school in the nation, what ideas did the Wayne LaPierre come up with?

Bueller?

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:36 pm

Well our resident Blog Buster has shown up. One can only assume that Kyles is now shut down……..

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:38 pm

Fred, I’m still laughing at your “if I wanted a job I’d create one.” Classic.

“put armed guns in every school in the nation”

blah blah blah. Does JamVet ever have ANYTHING relevant to say other than putting other people down? Does the anger of this old man ever end?

Soothsayer

January 10th, 2013
6:38 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm

As for the coin, Taxpayer said that was a great idea. Suddenly, Taxpayer looks even MORE ignorant.

Well, I don’t see nothing ignorant about it. This Bernanke already creates money. He comes up with billions of dollars to buy treasury bonds. Nobody allows him to do it. Congress don’t pass a law to tell him to create the money. And Bernanke don’t even so much as tell Obama to kiss his hind end when he creates the money. If he can come up with 50 billion bucks to buy treasury bonds in a month, why not a trillion? There’s nothing crazy or ignorant about it. He’s doing it all along. Might as well go big.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm

After [today's] meeting [with VP Biden], the N.R.A. issued a blistering statement accusing the White House of having an “agenda to attack the Second Amendment.”

In the statement, the group said it was surprised at how little the meeting addressed keeping children safe.

“While claiming that no policy proposals would be ‘prejudged,’ this task force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners — honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans,” the organization said. “It is unfortunate that this administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen.”

The group also suggested that it was done talking with the administration about proposals and would use its political muscle to block Mr. Obama’s proposals.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm

Fred, I told you last night that I’d be back after work. Unlike you and almost every other blogger on this blog, I work for a living. I can’t spend all day long arguing like a little kid all day.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm

Paul: You mean something like this old clip where the little old lady beats hell out of a guy with a Bible?

(and yes, to anyone who thinks they discovered fire, I know it’s not real…..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-bsCv1RUI

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:40 pm

barking frog

“What kind of intelligence thinks that the US Military gave up
30 caliber rifles for 22 rifles ?”

Isn’t the M16A2’s 5.56mm diameter pretty much a .22 diameter? I think that’s what people may mean.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:40 pm

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:39 pm

Fred, I told you last night that I’d be back after work. Unlike you and almost every other blogger on this blog, I work for a living. I can’t spend all day long arguing like a little kid all day.
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Well if you were qualified to work someplace other than McDonalds for minimum wage and only 39 hours a week, you wouldn’t have to have so many jobs……….

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:41 pm

“We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen.””

EXACTLY! Why left wingers can’t grasp this concept is amazing. Chicago has this problem and their gun crime rate is through the roof.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

Fred, just checked and yep, Mr. Wingfield pulled the plug on those who must be constantly supervised.

And guess who shows up?!

Notre Dame looked like a bunch of Romney Republicans the other night, didn’t they?

One of my buds, who is an Ohio State alum, was wearing his “OSU 2012 Bowl t-shirt”.

It was blank white one…

F. Sinkwich

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

Well, I guess the news today is O’bozo is a gun grabber. Talk about dog bites man.

It’s common knowledge that he pretty much despises America, its Constitution (negative document and all), and its prosperity (he’s done all he can to kill that). He said to the cheers of the MSM and all associated lib ilks he wants to “fundamentally transform” the USA. After all, if he actually loved this country, why would he want to do such a thing?

But all is not well in O’bozo-land. Apparently he hates women and minorities as much as he accuses conservatives of. Don’t believe me? Ask Charlie:

“Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) on Thursday called it “embarrassing as hell” that President Barack Obama is facing charges that his White House lacks diversity. “It’s embarrassing as hell.”

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

The Redneck Convert addendum to the Kamchak corollary;
If you are gonna create money you should create a lot of it.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:42 pm

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:40 pm

barking frog

“What kind of intelligence thinks that the US Military gave up
30 caliber rifles for 22 rifles ?”

Isn’t the M16A2’s 5.56mm diameter pretty much a .22 diameter? I think that’s what people may mean.
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If that’s what they “mean” then they really need to educate themselves before they speak or maybe just shut the heck up……………

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:43 pm

“Well if you were qualified to work someplace other than McDonalds for minimum wage and only 39 hours a week, you wouldn’t have to have so many jobs……

Working any job is better than what you do all day which is sit around on your unemployed butt mocking others.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:43 pm

Fred

That was great! And yup, that’s about how I imagine Mrs. Redneck Convert.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:43 pm

“And guess who shows up?!”

Awe, JamVet, in his old paranoid state, thinks I’ve been hanging out at Kyles blog all day. How cute.

Soothsayer

January 10th, 2013
6:43 pm

Just 91 days until the 2013 Masters! Hurry, Spring!

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

“Notre Dame looked like a bunch of Romney Republicans the other night, didn’t they?”

Actually, ND looked like the Small Ten. What’s that? UGA scored again on lowly ole Nebraska. Poor cornhuskers. They just suck.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

Paul – maybe you should suggest your “iron frying pan as a shield” to Mythbusters! Be interesting to see just what one COULD stop.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

swampy, do you have any verifiable evidence of that increase in membership (and also the numbers of those who may join to, say, get a discounted gun class which may be a permit requirement) but who otherwise could not give a crap about the NRA.

Soothsayer

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

So, Kyle’s shuts down and Andy (Fish Sandwich) and Little Davy Crybaby (Criberius) show up at the same time. Perfect!

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

Fred

I hardly ever post anything on Facebook but I did post that -

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm

Paul,
Yes it is a .223 and there the similarity ends.

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
6:46 pm

Its a scary thing when Doomy agrees with every point in a Bookman column.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:46 pm

Working any job is better than what you do all day which is sit around on your unemployed butt mocking others.

You don’t HAVE to lie although you seem to go straight for it. I’m RETIRED goofy, not unemployed. My company is STILL listed. I STILL pay the Corporate fees every year. I STILL do some business every once in a while when the notion hits me. Unemployed is what YOU would be if McDonalds didn’t have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Whenever I want more money, I go out and make it. Right now I’m having fun sitting at home. I know you envy that, but don’t be so blatant about it. it’s embarrassing. It’s like watching some old person who has dementia crap his pants in public and not be able to say anything about it. Don’t be that guy. Hold your bowels………

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:46 pm

F. Sinkwich

There are over 80 million legal gun owners in this country. There is no way Obama and his do nothing congress will even attempt taking away guns.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:47 pm

Swamp Thang

Who blamed law-abiding gun owners?

Sounds like another LaPierre strawman to me.

Ah well, gotta keep people riled up and the subscriptions coming in to make sure that million-dollar salary doesn’t dry up -

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
6:47 pm

“Notre Dame looked like a bunch of Romney Republicans the other night, didn’t they?”

They shouldn’t have brought a leprechaun to an elephant fight.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:48 pm

“do you have any verifiable evidence of that increase in membership

Why yes, yes I do.

NRA Membership Surges By 100,000 In Wake Of Sandy Hook Shooting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/nra-membership_n_2449236.html

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:49 pm

“It’s common knowledge that he pretty much despises America”

Sinkwich, we keep telling ya’…. don’t drink and post!

Or inhale and post, either!

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:49 pm

” I’m RETIRED goofy”

Goofy, yes you are. Retired, doubt it.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
6:50 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:36 pm

Apparently, 2 out of 3 Virginians disagree with you!

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:51 pm

Fred 6:42

In all fairness to them, if people wrote “5.56mm’s about the same as a .30 cal” there’d be plenty of savvy gun people telling them they were way off, too -

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:51 pm

Alabama, UNLIKE Florida did not embarrass the SEC. I’ll give them that much………….

LOL I watched every second of that game and was only sad that they didn’t score more and shut out those undeserving little dwarfs……. I mean leprechauns……

I wonder how Oregon would have faired? I doubt they would have done much better, but I would have liked to have seen that game.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:51 pm

“Unemployed is what YOU would be if McDonalds didn’t have to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

What’s ironic about your lame put down is the fact that I posted an application for you for Mcdonalds last night. Pathetic you is.

Living With Open Eyes

January 10th, 2013
6:52 pm

Minting a trillion dollar coin is no more ludicrous than paying compounding interest-if everybody believes in it than it is reality.The people who need a reality check are the financiers of the world with their money lending schemes that enslave common people.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:52 pm

“I wonder how Oregon would have faired?”

About the same. Oregon can not beat a top ten SEC team.

See: Auburn and LSU.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:53 pm

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:49 pm

” I’m RETIRED goofy”

Goofy, yes you are. Retired, doubt it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

No one really cares what you doubt or don’t doubt. you have zero credibility here and a huge reputation for your lies, trolling, and all around jackassery.

Your stamp of approval is taken as a bad thing.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
6:53 pm

Doggone/GA

Well, one thing it couldn’t stop is a really mad Mrs. Redneck Convert!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:54 pm

Swampy, I said verifiable. You do comprehend the word right? NRA claims about itself are about as reliable as their claims that Obama is going to take away all their guns.

So the bottom line, you have nothing but their own self-serving non-verifiable claims in their effort to try to claim relevancy. :roll:

Silly poster.

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
6:55 pm

Oregon at least showed up and competed against Auburn 2 years ago. Otherwise I don’t think any of the other conferences have played SEC teams to the wire. Personally I would have liked to watch my Crimson Tide take on Oregon. That would have been much more interesting than the Notre Dame game.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:55 pm

Nah, Doomy, we all know you are a closet lib!

Albany, what are you talking about?

Auburn??????????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

They should move them into the Big East.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

That is a team that really does suck!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

The suck so bad you can feel the breeze here in Atlanta!

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:55 pm

“No one really cares what you doubt or don’t doubt’

You do, unemployed man.

“you have zero credibility here and a huge reputation for your lies, trolling, and all around jackassery.”

HAHAHA!!!!!!! As if I care what you think about me!!!!!!! Dude, you are STRUGGLING worse than Nebraska against ANY team in football!

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:55 pm

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:52 pm

“I wonder how Oregon would have faired?”

About the same. Oregon can not beat a top ten SEC team.

See: Auburn and LSU.
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Auburn was 3-9 0ver all and 0-8 in the SEC. LSU lost to Clemson.

Did you have a point there? I didn’t think so. You apparently know as little about college football as you do everything else.

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
6:56 pm

“Well, one thing it couldn’t stop is a really mad Mrs. Redneck Convert!”

I could believe that!

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:57 pm

“Auburn??????????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

They should move them into the Big East.

Yeah, lets move a team that has a recent title to the Big East. Nebraska belongs in C-USA because they SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK@!!!!!!

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:57 pm

LOL Swamp Thang. You WISH you were “unemployed” like me.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
6:59 pm

“Auburn was 3-9 0ver all and 0-8 in the SEC. LSU lost to Clemson.

And Fred misses the point once again.

Auburn claims SEC’s fifth straight national title by dropping Oregon on late field goal

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=310102483

LSU Beats Oregon, 40-27, In Battle Of Top College Football Teams

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/04/lsu-beats-oregon-40-27-college-football_n_948208.html

See Fred, do you get it now? Should I color a picture for you?

Jefferson

January 10th, 2013
6:59 pm

OR would beat UGA easy, don’t fool yourself.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:59 pm

Well I’ll let the Kyle reject do their nightly attempt at closing down Jay’s board without me. They aren’t worth it.

F. Sinkwich

January 10th, 2013
7:00 pm

““It’s common knowledge that he pretty much despises America”

Sinkwich, we keep telling ya’…. don’t drink and post!”

I offered proof of my assertion.

You, Paulie, no so much…

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
7:00 pm

“You apparently know as little about college football as you do everything else.

Fred, I know you’re not smart but you really do crack me up with your sheer ignorance.

Oregon hasn’t defeated a top ten SEC team in recent history.

See AUBURN, LSU.

Make sense, unemployed man?

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
7:01 pm

That was years ago Swamp Thang. I know it’s hard for you to understand but we are talking THIS year.

Silly little man. That poop is running down your leg and piling up on top off your shoe you poor little thing.

Keep up with the insults. Jay will let you insult and attack me as much as you want so have a ball with it.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
7:01 pm

“You WISH you were “unemployed” like me.”

Yeah, that’s it. I wish I was unemployed like you sitting on a blog all day arguing with people you’ll never meet. Yep, that’s it.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
7:03 pm

“That was years ago Swamp Thang”

Auburn and LSU beat Oregon in 2011. Not that long ago, Fred.

“That poop is running down your leg”

Fred eats poop.

“Keep up with the insults.”

What insults, Fred? You mean where you called me names?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
7:03 pm

LSU crushed Oregon.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
7:03 pm

Yeah, that’s it. I wish I was unemployed like you sitting on a blog all day arguing with people you’ll never meet. Yep, that’s it.

It beats sitting home all day because the Forsyth voters REJECTED you for re-election…………… come on now, ‘fess up. Oh and clean out your drawers. It’s starting to stink.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
7:03 pm

“you have zero credibility here and a huge reputation for your lies, trolling, and all around jackassery.’

Fred, you mean like those insults? You have a very short term memory don’t you.

Swamp Thang

January 10th, 2013
7:04 pm

“LSU crushed Oregon.”

Yes they did but Fred said they did not.

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
7:04 pm

“Keep up with the insults.”

What insults, Fred?

Fred eats poop.

He’ll never understand. Especially because Kyle enables him.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
7:05 pm

Scam Newton? And his sickening daddy?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

The NCAA will probably end up taking that one away from the cheating slimetigers too!

What did they have? Three wins this year?.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

And all were against true football dynasties!

Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State and Alabama A & M!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

And ZERO conference wins?

Oh my Lord!

I was wrong. Saying they suck is an insult to suck!

That level of suck must have turned half of those lil tiggers into Tide fans!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

TM

January 10th, 2013
7:06 pm

Can an undocumented worker purchase a gun in the States, if not why, we want to give them a free education and driver’s license but refuse them the right to bear arms?

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
7:06 pm

Fred – word to the wise…don’t let Swamp Thang drag you down to his level. It’s like the old saw about arguing with an indiot…he’ll drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience

Living With Open Eyes

January 10th, 2013
7:06 pm

Why do a lot of people think college educated people deserve five times what manual laborers make? Have you ever eat a production schedule or slept inside a blue print?

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
7:08 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
6:14 pm
TBG: Jay, I don’t think *that* particular gunman would have caused more damage if he had a Bushmaster. A shot gun can cause a lot more damage than a .22 cal.

You are entitled to your opinion but “cause a lot more damage” may be relative. Sure a shotgun can blast in one direction with shot but with the Bushmaster you can fire multiple .223/5.56 mm in different directions and at multiple targets. So your statement has validity in limited scenarios and not the most likely ones in a mass attack situation.
___________________________
point taken and agreed with

TM

January 10th, 2013
7:10 pm

“” Why do a lot of people think college educated people deserve five times what manual laborers make?
Because the college educated people set the rules—unless the laborers join a union.

Steve-USA

January 10th, 2013
7:10 pm

Kamchak – “The real irony is that you “getter” the concept of irony.”

:) Just saw that from yesterday. I must say you have made some funny jokes from my terrible grammer. In all seriousness you make me laugh and I love to laugh so stay happy and healthy Mr. Kam

Disclaimer: No sarcasm in this post. You have a good sense of humor. :)

Paul

January 10th, 2013
7:10 pm

“Sinkwich, we keep telling ya’…. don’t drink and post!”

I offered proof of my assertion.

You, Paulie, no so much…”

Sinkwich, Sinkwich, Sinkwich

At least you explained the mystery to us of how your mind works. Evidently, saying “He said to the cheers of the MSM and all associated lib ilks he wants to “fundamentally transform” the USA. After all, if he actually loved this country, why would he want to do such a thing?”

constitutes ‘proof’ that Pres Obama hates America.

Riiiiggghhhhhhtt…

(inhale again, you’ll feel better)

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
7:11 pm

Your point?

They suck with a capital S and you’re an imbecile with a capital I.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

And they damn near lost to Louisiana-Monroe, twink!

Forget the Big East, they need to move down to the Southland Conference where they can beat someone!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
7:11 pm

“You find a job yet?”

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:11 pm

I’m willing to compromise on the gun control stuff and let the cons have 100-round magazines for both musket balls and claw hammers.

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
7:12 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:55 pm
Nah, Doomy, we all know you are a closet lib!

JamVet,

I’m still a far right con. But at times I do find myself agreeing with Jay here and there. Just unusual for me to see a column of his that touches on so many different points where I agree with him on all points. I’m sure I’ll be disagreeing with him soon enough though.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
7:13 pm

Why do a lot of people think college educated people deserve five times what manual laborers make?

because they took the time, effort and money to invest in their education so they could make that much coin….do you think an hourly should make the same as a eng that can design a bridge that won’t fall down…or better would you get into an airplane designed by a ditch digger?

The other half of your brain.

January 10th, 2013
7:15 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 10th, 2013
5:08 pm

2012 Gun Homicides

Australia 18
Canada 173
England 41
France 35
Ireland 21
Japan 11
Spain 90
United States 9,146

Its the guns stupid.

Which one of those countries has the mixture of people or population that we have? None of the above countries has the melting pot that we have, and guess what! they don’t want it that way either.
They have seen what it did for us and said,… no thanks!

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
7:16 pm

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:17 pm
That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
6:13 pm

Bro, not going to dye it.

The lady I’m seeing right now likes it. Says it’s sexy.
+++++++++++++++++

And this is the same lady that wouldn’t give you your ballsack to go watch football on the final football Saturday of the season?

Hope that works out for you……….
_______________________________
Yup, the very same one.

Let’s see:

Beer and watching football on a 13″ tv with Fred’s old azz :lol: or dinner and stimulating conversation with a smart, beautiful woman?

Decisions, decisions… :roll:

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
7:16 pm

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
…………………………………………………
Yes I have. She bought a gun.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
7:17 pm

Doomy, I know.

I just like razzin’ ya.

stands for decibels

January 10th, 2013
7:18 pm

Lest this truth from way upthread be lost in the shuffle:

The entire debt/deficit thing is silly.

Indeed it is. And I happened to read something at Atrios I’m going to quote just to back this up, because it really needs to be repeated often.

“it’s good to regularly point out that the deficit scolds don’t care about the deficit. They care about tax cuts for rich people, stealing from Social Security, and kicking the poors and the olds, all while taxing poor and middle class people enough to keep the defense industry rich.”

That’s all you really need to know.

Harry Reed

January 10th, 2013
7:19 pm

Obama is starting to show his real radical extremist self! The country may not survive this pompus clown!

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:19 pm

I wouldn’t get in an airplane designed by Mitt Romney. :grin:

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
7:19 pm

“United States 9,146

Its the guns stupid.”

Rwanda- 1996- Up to 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus slaughtered mostly with machetes and hoes.

Its the machetes and hoes stupid.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
7:20 pm

Albany, what are you talking about?

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
6:36 pm

…possessing a gun turns a coward into a badass who thinks he can take on the world.

No doubt.

Speaking of cowards, other than the insane, utterly realistic admonition to put armed guns in every school in the nation, what ideas did the Wayne LaPierre come up with?

A poll published today says that 2 of 3 Virginians are in favor of armed police officers in schools.

That’s what I was talking about.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
7:21 pm

Erwin’s cat 7:13

Even recognizing that, I have good memories of the valedictorian in the HS class ahead of mine – her father was a janitor at the high school yet he could still buy his own house (this was in southern Cal). I dated a girl whose dad was a meatcutter at the grocery store – he also bought his own house – and I can remember when he bought a nice, full-size new car.

I agree – people who work at fast-food places shouldn’t expect a whole lot, but still, I think some who do the non-college jobs deserve better than what they’re getting now. Seems we may be taking a generation of hard-working people and creating a system where they are several rungs lower than what comparable people in a previous generation experienced, relative to other workers.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
7:22 pm

Fred ™

January 10th, 2013
6:24 pm
But dismissing the Bushmaster as a “.22″ is more than a little misleading

Understatement of the Century. And anyone who would try to do so is either the dumbest person on the face of the earth or the biggest liar. Either way, they should be shunned.
________________________________
Please don’t shun me Fred, what ever will I do?

J/K :lol:

I sort of mis represented what I meant when I called it a “.22″.

mea culpa

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
7:22 pm

JamVet,

At least you can’t razz me on football. Hee hee. At least not right now anyway. Nyuk nyuk nyuk!

Doggone/GA

January 10th, 2013
7:23 pm

“do you think an hourly should make the same as a eng that can design a bridge that won’t fall down”

There’s this though…how long will that bridge last without the lower wage maintenance crews that keep it from rusting into scrap metal? You can bet your last dollar the engineer who designed it isn’t out there slapping paint on it.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
7:23 pm

Thulsa Doom
Its the machetes and hoes stupid
……………………………………………….
Not much for machetes but a good hoe is useful

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
7:24 pm

DIA… well actually if you want to be complete about the VA poll in a purple state: In the wake of the Newtown, Conn., elementary school shootings, a poll of Virginia voters finds strong support for armed police officers in schools, but also indicates overwhelming backing for conducting background checks on buys at gun shows and a desire to limit weapons purchases to one a month.
The Quinnipiac University poll indicates support of 66 percent to 29 percent for an armed officer in every school, while 60-36 percent believe gun purchases should be limited to one per month. Last year, the GOP-controlled General Assembly voted to repeal the state’s longstanding ban on purchasing more than one handgun a month.

The greatest disconnect between legislative action and public opinion, however, is on the issue of background checks. According to the poll, Virginians overwhelmingly favor, 92-7, conducting background checks on people who buy guns at gun shows.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/va-poll-finds-support-for-armed-school-officers-gun-show/article_9c70f024-5b17-11e2-b812-001a4bcf6878.html

The other half of your brain.

January 10th, 2013
7:26 pm

Jay

January 10th, 2013
5:43 pm

“Are you saying that airbags, anti-lock brakes, crumple zones, and other automobile safety advances have ZERO affect in the decline of traffic deaths?

I doubt that’s what he’s saying. All those advances — advances mandated by government regulation over the complaints of manufacturers, by the way — have of course had an effect.

As might mandatory gun locks, palm-print readers and bans on large-capacity magazines, among other steps.

Jay, As I have stated here a few times, they will just carry 6 five round magazines. It’s not rocket scientist dude.

That Black Guy

January 10th, 2013
7:28 pm

Soothsayer

January 10th, 2013
6:45 pm
So, Kyle’s shuts down and Andy (Fish Sandwich) and Little Davy Crybaby (Criberius) show up at the same time. Perfect!
__________________________
“Dave’s not here, man!”

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
7:29 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
7:24 pm

DIA… well actually if you want to be complete about the VA poll in a purple state:

No argument here. The comment I was responding to was about police officers. And, just for the record, I think that background checks should be mandatory. I’ve gone through several before…being a foster parent (many years ago), purchasing fire arms and getting my carry permit.

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
7:30 pm

barking frog,

I used to sharpen my machete and trim the hedges in the yard with it. Took a lot longer but it was fun and a sharp machete can hack its way through anything. When we would hike through the jungle to get to the base of a volcano to climb in it Central America your most trusty fried was a well sharpened machete.

Hoes I don’t care for. Hos are a different story.

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
7:30 pm

“I’m willing to compromise on the gun control stuff and let the cons have 100-round magazines for both musket balls and claw hammers.”

Well, those 28 oz. framing hammers should be banned….

Keep them under 8 oz. since there ain’t no building going on anyway.

td

January 10th, 2013
7:32 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
4:56 pm

cnn is running the trillion dollar story.

It is not as crazy as a debt debacle II by the gop to get another downgrade and market drop they said.

The crediting agencies have not said that the downgrade of our rating would be from a debt ceiling not being raised or a government shutdown, they said it would be raised due to not cutting spending.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
7:33 pm

Thulsa Doom
Hoes I don’t care for. Hos are a different story.
…………………………………………………………….
so are HoHo’s but they may be history…

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
7:36 pm

“Hoes I don’t care for. Hos are a different story.”

Bros before Hoes!

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
7:36 pm

as for the DUI argument…Jay and Cheesy grits
Total population of traffic fatalities
MADD founded 1980 22.4 deaths per 100k people
2010 10.65 deaths per 100k people

dropped in half…. DUI deaths trend just like the broader population…could it be tha MADD and DUI laws have done essentially NOTHING to improve safety…ZERO ZIP NADA…but it has made a lot of money for a lot of people……

Using the DUI argument for gun control is just an emotional argument…certainly not a factual one

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
7:36 pm

td

January 10th, 2013
7:38 pm

One Democrat after another from Red states are coming out and are already backing down on half of Biden’s gun control measures. The new Democratic Senator from ND basically says she will not back banning semi automatic weapons.

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
7:39 pm

“Using the DUI argument for gun control is just an emotional argument…certainly not a factual one”

Apples to Oranges. To be polite about it…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
7:43 pm

Taft High School does have a uniform deputy sheriff monitoring campus “before, during and after school but he was not there Thursday because he had been snowed in.

Well that did a lot of good at stopping it. The con plan failed. Maybe we need to give the teachers knives. :roll:

td

January 10th, 2013
7:45 pm

““I think you need to put everything on the table, but what I hear from the administration — and if the Washington Post is to be believed — that’s way, way in extreme of what I think is necessary or even should be talked about. And it’s not going to pass,” Heitkamp said on ABC News’s “This Week With George Stephanopoulos.” Senator Heidi Heitkamp (D) of North Dakota

““Let’s start addressing the problem. And to me, one of the issues that I think comes — screams out of this is the issue of mental health and the care for the mentally ill in our country, especially the dangerously mentally ill. And so we need to have a broad discussion before we start talking about gun control,” Heitkamp said.”

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
7:47 pm

Well that did a lot of good at stopping it.

defeating our own arguments are we :D
he wasn’t there….there wasn’t a gun there to stop him

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
7:47 pm

barking frog,

Last I heard Flowers bakery was considering buying Hostess. Flowers is an unusual company. Their HQ is a building that looked like a giant old house down in the middle of nowhere in Thomasville, GA. It doesn’t feel like a typical corporate campus. Going down there is a pain in the ass. The CEO I dealt with liked to meet his vendors early, way early as in 6:30 or 7 am. And so you had to drive down their the night before and hotel it for a night. Maybe things have changed since I’ve been down there but there wasn’t much at all in that town. Bo-Ring.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:48 pm

We should just equip our soldiers with cars and hammers instead of guns given the way the cons describe the effectiveness of each of these “weapons”.

Paul

January 10th, 2013
7:49 pm

TaxPayer

I’m gonna steal that. It’s good.

Pleasant evening, all -

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:52 pm

I see Erwin’s gettin all emotional with his nonskewed arguments. Too bad he doesn’t include some nonskewed data that has been proven to be more than a correlation or even just a correlation… certainly not causation, using his own words, that is.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
7:55 pm

Taxpayer
The troops have hammers and hummers and some have swimming pools
but I think you will have to take their guns from their cold dead hands.

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:55 pm

there wasn’t a gun there to stop him

But they surely have a woodworking shop with hammers and parking lots with cars. Those weapons trump a little old gun any day. Just make sure you get a drunk to operate either one and point him or her toward the lone gunmen (you know those drunks never see just one of anything).

TaxPayer

January 10th, 2013
7:58 pm

Oh well. I may as well go watch some Jon Stewart on Hulu since swamp thang isn’t around to provide some more of that delightful early evenin’ entertainment.

Living With Open Eyes

January 10th, 2013
7:59 pm

Erwin’s cat
I do reaize college requires drive and effort and that graduates should make a higher salary-just not five times what manual skilled crafts make. Twice at the most.If engineers had to perform the labor for the projects they design they would be just drawings and figures on the computer because most of them believe that they are too good to get dirty or sweaty except in an air conditioned gym.Also much skilled labor requires years of experience-you can’t teach experience in school.Why do you think smart people deserve to be exponentially better off than average people?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
7:59 pm

Sure EC, so under the NRA plan, we need more than 1 principle at a school trained or more than one guard…. we need several so that there is always a “gun” present. :roll:

Then you have to be sure they are in the right place. Better add a few more. The training and humans are free, don’t you know. :roll:

Don’t forget that the madman may have a bullet proof vest and body armor…be sure the gun protectors do to. Those are free., right? :roll:

But take action to just reduce the opportunity to get these weapons, Can’t be done because well cars and other implements could be used. :roll:

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
7:59 pm

Paul – I think some who do the non-college jobs deserve better than what they’re getting now

I couldn’t agree more….but i think a butcher, plumber, and other skilled trades are doing okay, but could be better…it’s a buyers market unfortunately

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:01 pm

Keep…I didn’t say I agreed with it, but the irony in your statement was irresistible

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:02 pm

TaxPayer, well there may have been phalanx of cars in the parking lot. How did that kid get by them without getting killed.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:03 pm

Eyes wide open – it’s not 5x

USC-69

January 10th, 2013
8:03 pm

Mitch McConnell is the most inept and boring senator currently in congress. Ashley Judd may be a successful movie star but she is also bright, alert, able to speak in complete sentences, and understands the plight of other people. I say go for it Ashley – the people of Kentucky deserve some glamour in their representatives and Mitch Mcconnell is a mumbling embarrassment. Bookman’s distain suggests an underlying bias against the entertainment industry and (?) attractive, smart women. Come on Jay, it’s the 21st century. Things are going to be different – no more Senator FogHorn.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:04 pm

Well EC, I disagree. I think it proves how silly the gun in every school plan is…. it fails because of weather, bathroom breaks, illness……. :roll:

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:05 pm

Keep Up
How safe will the schools be if the assault weapons ban is passed again ?

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:09 pm

Obama, Biden, the left wing Democrats in Congress along with their sheep are absolute jackasses who put protecting the public and most importantly our children behind their asinine anti-gun political agenda. The NRA is right to walk away from Biden’s phony commission.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:10 pm

“Gov. Jerry Brown commits to major Medi-Cal expansion

In order to help implement Obama’s healthcare overhaul in California, Brown earmarks $350 million in his state spending plan to help enroll more Californians in Medi-Cal.” LA Times.

This man knows how to govern and balance the budget.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:11 pm

frog, safer than they are if assault style weapons continue to be sold and, in conjunction with other actions, increasingly safer.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:13 pm

speaking of grumpy old Ftroopers :lol:

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:13 pm

This man knows how to govern and balance the budget.

Yeah sure…are you the least bit familiar with California’s economic condition?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:13 pm

TaxPayer – using his own words, that is

no worries…we’re not used to you using your own words anyway

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:16 pm

Well. Now that that’s settled….

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:17 pm

del,

You might to google that.

F. Sinkwich

January 10th, 2013
8:18 pm

“This man knows how to govern and balance the budget.”

Yep, spend, then tax, then spend, then tax some more.

Genius.

No wonder so many businesses are moving out of CA.

Wilbur

January 10th, 2013
8:18 pm

Mr. Obama voted against raising the debt limit when he was a US Senator. So much for the argument that opposing the debt ceiling raise is somehow beyond the pale.
It’s quite simple. The Congress wants to limit the size of the government and the democrats hate that idea. They are for endless government, endless taxes and endless deficits.
I pray that the republicans are sucessful and we can actually limit the size the government and the deficits.
However, I doubt they will. The republic is lost.

zeke

January 10th, 2013
8:20 pm

Franken,credible? You are definitely smoking some strong stuff!!! And Ashley Judd is a democrat liberal! That is why she could/would not be credible!!!!

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:20 pm

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:21 pm

Eyes wide – Why do you think smart people deserve to be exponentially better off than average people?

ummm 5x is not exponential….and it’s not 5x for the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker…
some people get paid for what they do….some for what they know, and some get paid for both….why does a guy who can run a 4.4-40 get paid like a CEO?

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:21 pm

You stay off this blog a little bit and come back to the same old stupidity. You wonder if these sorry assed losers will ever grow up but then you’re sadly reminded that they have grown up but only with arrested mental development.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:22 pm

“The republic is lost.”

Only in the crazy mind of a self defeatist con.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:23 pm

del,

You got owned.

Take it like a man.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
8:25 pm

You wonder if these sorry assed losers will ever grow up

No we really don’t wonder about you while your gone, but we realize you’ll never grow up.

F. Sinkwich

January 10th, 2013
8:28 pm

“Gotcha”

Please re-read my post, this time focusing on comprehension.

Oh well, lost cause.

Never mind…

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:33 pm

filky,

California has a competent Governor like our President.

You lose again.

Jm

January 10th, 2013
8:34 pm

“Look, the entire debt-ceiling debate is inherently silly. I get that. Congress has voted to spend trillions and borrow trillions, and it’s totally ridiculous to pretend that it can now refuse to pay that money back, which is what it would do by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.”

False

If we were just raising the ceiling to pay the interest alone, that would be a couple hundred billion, not over a trillion.

Current revenues cover interest, so we can pay our debts without a debt ceiling increase

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:35 pm

reminded that they have grown up but only with arrested mental development

arrested development…that’s it…..i’ve been trying to remember the name of that series for weeks now…really!

Jm

January 10th, 2013
8:37 pm

CA taxes about to go up

More rich people will leave

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
8:38 pm

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:39 pm

fwiw…as far as Armstrong goes…i’m not gonna pile on…he out cheated the other cheaters…i’ve never seen a sport try so hard to discredit and destroy itself like this before

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:39 pm

jm,

I count on you for being dead wrong like romney would win so keep up the great work con.

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
8:39 pm

California?

Really.

And how did the Terminator get that job anyway?

lol

Corey

January 10th, 2013
8:39 pm

@JamVet
January 10th, 2013
12:37 pm

And don’t forget while POTUS, arms to Iran for hostages(Iran-Contra) and funneled money to the Contras a clear violation of US law; our embassy bombed in Lebanon and no retaliation; over 200 dead Marines in Beruit and nothing done about it other than cutting and running; invaded a tiny Caribbean Island called Grenada, and barred the media from covering it directly by keeping the media at bay, to erase the shame of Viet Nam; involvement in a secret war in Central America; denied selling arms to Iran, later admitting it, but saying he couldn’t remember.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:41 pm

“And how did the Terminator get that job anyway?”

The guy before him got recalled.

ahnold went back to acting because he can’t govern.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:43 pm

No scandals with President Obama.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:46 pm

betty – i actually have that CD…or at least one of theirs…the first sorta mainstream one

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
8:47 pm

“No scandals with President Obama.”

they need to have “smoking gate”

You know he had a couple too many sips of fine russian vodka at some point and slipped a cig.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:47 pm

“Current revenues cover interest, so we can pay our debts without a debt ceiling increase”

Jm, the dumbos don’t understand that because they’re programmed to make utterances like “default” or we refuse to pay bills we’ve incurred from the past. Basic economics is beyond their comprehension.

Jm

January 10th, 2013
8:48 pm

getalife
January 10th, 2013
8:43 pm

No scandals with President Obama.

LinkReport this comment

Other than his whole presidency being an embarrassment

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:48 pm

Internet went out. I hope engineers can be convinced that it is
silly to make a reset button that you use a toothpick to operate.

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
8:50 pm

lol

“Other than his whole presidency being an embarrassment”

Well, and that too.

But who’s counting?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:50 pm

“Other than his whole presidency being an embarrassment”

Only to self defeatist cons like you .

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:50 pm

“No scandals with President Obama”

Good grief, he’s been a scandal for the last four years and it will get even worse in the next four years. Fasten your seat belt.

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:51 pm

“Current revenues cover interest, so we can pay our debts without a debt ceiling increase”

Sure.

So what?

Someone isn’t going to get paid. Legal obligations aren’t going to be met. My dad may not get his social security check. Soldiers may not get their medical care or their paycheck.

Surely Republicans aren’t stupid enough to think that shutting down the government – yet again – will be good for them or the country.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:52 pm

Make no mistake, you cons are being marginalized and your party is divided and conquered.

It is time for you cons to bow down but not to slobber all over the wealthy.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:52 pm

Keep Up 8:11
I agree that without assault weapons the kids would be safer but
what other actions would you want ?

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
8:52 pm

Internet went out. I hope engineers can be convinced that it is
silly to make a reset button that you use a toothpick to operate.

marketing once wanted me to make a product where an LED lit up when the power was out

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
8:53 pm

Corey,

Reagan was a pathetic old liar who taught the fake cons how to play stupid to perfection.

The republic is lost.

And rather than witness the bitter end, you cons should probably all do the republic a huge favor and do yourselves in…

I would suggest AK-47s…

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
8:53 pm

“2012 [wasn't] necessarily warmer than it was back in the 1930s … NOAA has made so many adjustments to the data it’s ridiculous,” Roy Spencer, a climatologist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, told FoxNews.com.

A brutal combination of a widespread drought and a mostly absent winter pushed the average annual U.S. temperatures up last year, to 55.32 degrees Fahrenheit according to the government. That’s a full degree warmer than the old record set in 1998 — and breaking such records by a full degree is unprecedented, scientists say.

But NOAA has adjusted the historical climate data many times, skeptics point out, most recently last October. The result, says popular climate blogger Steve Goddard: The U.S. now appears to have warmed slightly more than it did before the adjustment.

“The adjusted data is meaningless garbage. It bears no resemblance to the thermometer data it starts out as,” Goddard told FoxNews.com. He’s not the only one to question NOAA’s efforts.

“Every time NOAA makes adjustments, they make recent years [relatively] warmer. I am very suspicious, especially for how warm they have made 2012,” Spencer said.

The newly adjusted data set is known as “version 2.5,” while the less adjusted data is called “version 2.0.”

NOAA defended its adjustments to FoxNews.com.

Government climate scientist Peter Thorne, speaking in his personal capacity, said that there was consensus for the adjustments.

“These have been shown through at least three papers that have appeared in the past 12 months to be an improvement,” he said.

NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen agreed.

“These kinds of improvements get us even closer to the true climate signal, and help our nation even more accurately understand its climate history,” he said.

One problem in weather monitoring occurs when there is a “break point” — an instance where a thermometer is moved, or something producing heat is built near the thermometer, making temperature readings before and after the move no longer comparable.

“Version 2.5 improved the efficiency of the algorithm…. more of the previously undetected break points are now accounted for,” Smullen explained.

He added that the report also recalculated “the baseline temperatures [that] were first computed nearly 20 years ago in an era with less available data and less computer power.”

Spencer says that the data do need to be adjusted — but not the way NOAA did it. For instance, Spencer says that urban weather stations have reported higher temperatures partly because, as a city grows, it becomes a bit hotter. But instead of adjusting directly for that, he says that to make the urban and rural weather readings match, NOAA “warmed the rural stations’ [temperature readings] to match the urban stations” — which would make it seem as if all areas were getting a bit warmer.

Aaron Huertas, a spokesman for the Union of Concerned Scientists, argued that the debate over the adjustments misses the bigger picture.

“Since we broke the [temperature] record by a full degree Fahrenheit this year, the adjustments are relatively minor in comparison,”

“I think climate contrarians are doing what Johnny Cochran did for O.J. Simpson — finding anything to object to, even if it obscures the big picture. It’s like they keep finding new ways to say the ‘glove doesn’t fit’ while ignoring the DNA evidence.”

Climate change skeptics such as blogger and meteorologist Anthony Watts are unconvinced.

“Is history malleable? Can temperature data of the past be molded to fit a purpose? It certainly seems to be the case here, where the temperature for July 1936 reported … changes with the moment,” Watts told FoxNews.com.

“In the business and trading world, people go to jail for such manipulations of data.”

What do you think, given Jay’s blog earlier this week? Interesting, to say the least.

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:55 pm

Oh well, now that Fox has spoken I guess it’s settled….

td

January 10th, 2013
8:55 pm

“MSNBC host and commentator Melissa Harris Perry surprisingly defended the lack of diversity in President Obama’s second term cabinet in an appearance on the network this morning. Harris Perry says just because someone is of one gender and not the other or has a certain skin color doesn’t mean they are representative of that specific group. Harris Perry cites Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as an example, who she says doesn’t represent “the vast majority” of African-Americans.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/10/melissa_harris_perry_on_cabinet_diversity_clarence_thomas_doesnt_represent_blacks.html

So if are not a progressive black, white or woman then you do not count. And you libs say conservatives are the ones not tolerant. LMFAO

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:56 pm

fox is a joke.

Try reading proof not critics con.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
8:57 pm

“Surely Republicans aren’t stupid enough to think that shutting down the government – yet again – will be good for them or the country.”

Bat crap…it will mean that programs get cut, federal government workers get cut and the federal government gets cut to the size our revenues will support. That day of reckoning will soon be forced upon us anyway, so best to bite the bullet and do it now.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:57 pm

thomas is corporate owned con.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
8:58 pm

Erwin’s cat
This modem has a battery backup so reset won’t work by
unplugging but battery lights do work when unplugged. the
reset is in a tiny hole by the power cord inset about 1/2 inch.

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
8:58 pm

Yeah ’cause it worked so well for you last time, recon….

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:59 pm

Shutting down government is surrendering our war..

Raising the white flag.

Not men enough to pay their bills.

Welchers, pure and simple.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
9:02 pm

I would suggest AK-47s

Jam….did ya see my post where a guy made and AK out of a shovel?…i think the receiver from the blade…impressive cobbler nonetheless

Cherokee

January 10th, 2013
9:02 pm

“Welchers, pure and simple”

Amazing isn’t it, that such manly men, always trumpeting their choice to make it on their own, without any help from anyone else, are so in favor of welching on their obligations to their fellow Americans.

You would almost think they were – gasp – welfare queens…

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:03 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
8:52 pm

Make no mistake, you cons are being marginalized and your party is divided and conquered.

Yeah, and the libs are totally united, huh?

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) on Thursday called it “embarrassing as hell” that President Barack Obama is facing charges that his White House lacks diversity.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:05 pm

So, just because it’s reported on Fox, it’s totally discredited? Regardless of who they quote? I see

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 10th, 2013
9:06 pm

Well, it’s about time to turn in. Got a bunch of hauling and lugging to do tomorrow and unless some nut cuts loose on a bunch of innocent souls we’ll have FNM later. And I’ll leave you by getting a head start on FNM. Turn it up and enjoy it, and good night everybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LIpuMbLX-Q

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:06 pm

“President Barack Obama is facing charges that his White House lacks diversity.”

Yes, the women are leaving.

So?

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:07 pm

The greatest danger to our country is not climate change, lack of diversity, guns, wealthy Americans or even radical Islam. It’s the national debt and it amazes me that this incompetent administration along with the bone headed left ignores this fact.

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
9:07 pm

scout — get real, if the repubs wanted programs cut, then they just should’ve went over the cliff. There would’ve been mandatory cuts then. Your made up synopsis is …….i don’t know……crazy?
================

So if are not a progressive black, white or woman then you do not count. And you libs say conservatives are the ones not tolerant. LMFAO

td — You forgot your meds again! Please take them, you’re scaring the other crazies patients.

Erwin's cat

January 10th, 2013
9:07 pm

frog…i get it, but blame sales and marketing not the eng’s…we make what they tell us to

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:07 pm

albany,

Look up the definition of credibility

fox has none..

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:09 pm

What else you got cons?

Nothing.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:11 pm

DDR,
Blogging after Miller time can be hazardous……..

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:12 pm

“fox has none..”

and he know that’s so because his political cell leader told him so.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:15 pm

del,

Like I said, you got nothing.

Just zip it con.

Jm

January 10th, 2013
9:17 pm

Obama is beyond ineffective

He’s an impediment to progress

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:17 pm

Oh well the left will always be the left until it’s left. That will occur when the fiscal mountain that can’t be avoided stares this country in the face. Not far off in our future, so enjoy the short ride left wingers.

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
9:18 pm

“Just zip it con.”

getalife,

You got nothing, lib.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:18 pm

jm,

Sore loser.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:20 pm

“Just zip it con.”

Much better men than you have tried that but failed.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:20 pm

The biggest threat to our nation just took another hit on November 6th!

More to come!

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:20 pm

You better run…..

td

January 10th, 2013
9:23 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:20 pm

The biggest threat to our nation just took another hit on November 6th!

More to come!

When Santa can not hand out any more goodies and takes some of the goodies back then where does that leave the progressives?

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:23 pm

get, the sore loser is going to get a lot more practice.

(As if getting smoke three out of the last four elections should mean anything to the ostriches!)

Bush killed them and now they get to deal with the GOP carcass…

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:25 pm

td, the great joke is that you and your pals are the biggest mooches of them all…

Look at your heroes on Wall Street.

They are so f&cked up they can’t even run their businesses without endless government assistance…

td

January 10th, 2013
9:25 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:23 pm

get, the sore loser is going to get a lot more practice.

(As if getting smoke three out of the last four elections should mean anything to the ostriches!)

Bush killed them and now they get to deal with the GOP carcass…

Carter killed the libs and how long did that last?

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:25 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:07 pm

albany,

Look up the definition of credibility

fox has none..

And, yet the cons are the ones with closed minds? OK. Why not debate the issue rather than shoot the messenger? My thoughts are, because you have no argument to the contrary and will not admit when you’ve been brainwashed. I’ve posted a couple of things today…Biden contradicting himself on gun control, for example. Not one single response. Not one.

When a lot of the libs on here get exposed, they run like roaches when the lights come on.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:28 pm

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:25 pm

td, the great joke is that you and your pals are the biggest mooches of them all…

Look at your heroes on Wall Street.

If you really believe that conservatives run Wall Street then you are lost for sure my friend. Tell us again where all these people running the economy for the dems in the White House is from?

Brian McNamee

January 10th, 2013
9:29 pm

Hey Bookman-I do not who the “Clemons” is you refer to in your article but the baseball guy that I shot up with steriods is named Clemens. I thought you professionals had this spell check or something. Guess your not a baseball fan.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:29 pm

albany,

Don’t quote rw media and post something credible con.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:30 pm

When a lot of the libs on here get exposed, they run like roaches when the lights come

They live in the dark and the light of truth hurts their eyes. The zombie left rules this blog.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:30 pm

Carter killed the libs…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I just pray you nutjobs stay the course…

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:33 pm

The zombie left rules this blog and the zombie right bows to our rules.

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
9:34 pm

td,

Clarence Thomas is black. He’s just not “the right kind” of black for the libs.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:34 pm

Jam,

They will stay the course.

And they will continue to lose.

This is great for our country.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:35 pm

“One of the worst flu seasons in a decade is putting further strains on an already sluggish U.S. economy as companies get slammed with increased health care costs and lower productivity from widespread worker absences”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100369848

Now the coming Obama recession is going to be blamed on the flu. The libs will believe anything.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

Thulsa Doom

January 10th, 2013
9:34 pm

td,

Clarence Thomas is black. He’s just not “the right kind” of black for the libs.

He is one of those “house blacks” like Herman Cain and Walter Williams.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

Cuts will cause a recession con.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

td, don’t you ever get dizzy? My Lord, anyone who spins around topics like you do must have had ballerina training.

You rube-a-cons (LOL!) love the taste of bankster bootpolish. You can’t get enough.

Occupy that…

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

“The zombie left rules this blog and the zombie right bows to our rules”

Only in your dreams and the right will become your nightmare.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:29 pm

albany,

Don’t quote rw media and post something credible con.

I’d be glad to if I could depend on the msm to report anything credible. Of course, with the likes of Chris Matthews and the Rev Al, what do you expect?

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
9:39 pm

get, they need some new Purity Tests…

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:40 pm

Jam,

I think they ran out.

It is a tiny tent.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:41 pm

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:37 pm

Cuts will cause a recession con.

Obama already knows that the effects of Obamacare being implemented and the tax increases he just pushed is going to dump us back into a recession and is trying to find someone to blame before the uninformed wakes up.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
9:42 pm

Ftroop buffoonery continues. Carry on with the rants. Check your depends regularly Ftroopers.

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:43 pm

td,

Keep wishing for bad things for your country.

Stay the course con.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:43 pm

getalife
at the republican convention they debated an empty chair
and nominated an empty suit….

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:45 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:43 pm

getalife
at the republican convention they debated an empty chair
and nominated an empty suit….

Empty suit…as in Obama…the one that sends Uncle Joe to do his biden?

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:47 pm

frog,

They ran a man that claimed facts don’t matter and they vote for him.

Talk about la la land.

They need to get a grip on the real world.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
9:48 pm

These lib left wingers are such panty waists. They have to get surrogates to f..k for them.

Jay

January 10th, 2013
9:48 pm

Thanks, Brian. You are right, of course, and as a lifelong Red Sox fan, I hang my head in shame at that mistake. I knew it didn’t look right … I’ll fix it.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:48 pm

Down in Albany
Empty suit as in Mitt Romney who couldn’t quit talking or
say the same thing twice.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:49 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:43 pm

As to compared to the Democratic convention where they put in their plank the legalization of sodomy, the killing of the innocent anytime for any reason and denied God 3 times.

DownInAlbany

January 10th, 2013
9:51 pm

td

January 10th, 2013
9:49 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:43 pm

As to compared to the Democratic convention where they put in their plank the legalization of sodomy, the killing of the innocent anytime for any reason and denied God 3 times

Oooooo, they are going to come after you for that one! Not with any substance, just personal slander, of course.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
9:52 pm

Jm

January 10th, 2013
9:17 pm

Obama is beyond ineffective

And yet, Romney still couldn’t defeat him.

What does that say for Romney?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
9:52 pm

td forgot to mention the unicorns and the free prom dresses at Whole Foods for life. :lol:

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:53 pm

td 9:49
and they shall roast in hell for that but their nominee did win….

getalife

January 10th, 2013
9:54 pm

You cons are hilarious.

td

January 10th, 2013
9:59 pm

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
9:53 pm

td 9:49
and they shall roast in hell for that but their nominee did win…

He sure did. Well thank God that the people of this country decided to return the Republicans to control the House of Reps, the governorships of 30 states and total control of 24 states.

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
10:00 pm

td
maybe God dislikes Mormons more than reprobates……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 10th, 2013
10:01 pm

… where they put in their plank the legalization of sodomy…

“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
– Thomas “Billy Shakespeare” Jefferson.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
10:02 pm

The way you Republicans have perverted god it is little wonder there is so much blow back…

td

January 10th, 2013
10:04 pm

More signs of the coming recession.

“Along with adjusted net income of $1.2 billion, American Express delivered a surprise in its fourth quarter earnings report today: the elimination of 5,400 jobs as part of a global reorganization of its business units.”

http://www.brandchannel.com/home/post/2013/01/10/American-Express-Layoffs-011013.aspx

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
10:04 pm

“return the Republicans to control the House of Reps, the governorships of 30 states and total control of 24 states”

Good point now we know why the goober brains want to confiscate guns.

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
10:09 pm

Mormonism is a false denomination, in the non-religion called Christianity. ~Scout Chapter 5, verse12

Sixty two degrees at 10 PM on January 10th.

Man, I’m loving this global cooling! Thank you Rick Perry!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
10:12 pm

And yet, the GOP quivers and fears voters and must suppress the vote to keep control. :lol:

moonbat betty

January 10th, 2013
10:14 pm

Libs gone wild.

Show us your t!ts!

barking frog

January 10th, 2013
10:21 pm

moonbat betty
only on fat Tuesday….

td

January 10th, 2013
10:23 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
10:12 pm

And yet, the GOP quivers and fears voters and must suppress the vote to keep control. :lol:

You know it is funny you should mention voters. I read something a few weeks ago that Obama did not win one state that had true photo id laws.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
10:25 pm

sure you did td :roll: you haven’t demonstrated those kind of comprehension skills.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 10th, 2013
10:30 pm

gas prices to fall in 2013…..

but but but…. $6 a gallon was the conned pronouncement. :roll:

JamVet

January 10th, 2013
10:31 pm

I read something a few weeks ago that Obama did not win one state that had true photo id laws.

Wow! That is so unimpressive!

Money Boo Boo was a pathetic nominee.

I wrote that he’d be lucky to win 200 Electoral College votes.

I was way off. He won 202…

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
10:36 pm

Show us your t!ts!
moonbat betty, it’s t!!ts up in their pathetic show.

Recon 0311 2533

January 10th, 2013
10:39 pm

Good night all even to you goobers. Taps

Old Physics Teacher

January 10th, 2013
11:07 pm

Brosephus™

Just checked back in before calling it a night and saw you were still here. You may have a point. I met the “Quick Guard” for the 1965 Alabama National Champs a number of years ago. He said his playing size was 5′11″ 175lb. Alabama’s women trainers are bigger than that now. I worked with one of the ‘75 Wake Forest tailbacks. He was a little taller and about the same weight. Maybe if they added asterisks (with the comment “juiced”) by their names?

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 10th, 2013
11:44 pm

DDR,
Blogging after Miller time can be hazardous……..

Thats why I switched to Jim Beam! :wink:

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 11th, 2013
12:00 am

Well, I’m not sleepy yet, sooo………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TWS0Y9ihyA

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 11th, 2013
12:04 am

DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman

January 11th, 2013
12:13 am

ODD OWL

January 11th, 2013
2:22 am

President Barack Obama and the Democrats must draw a line in the sand and not tolerate any more of this Republican recalcitrant obstructionism and economic terrorism… Every Republican in the House and Senate who are against raising the debt ceiling should be charged with incompetence and dereliction of duty… The Republicans are violating Constitutional law and their oath of Office… The Republicans attempts to overthrow the Government of the United States of America today is analogous with Southern Democrats attempts to overthrow the Government in 1860… President Barack Obama must respond to this threat with the same energetic vigor and determination that President Abraham Lincoln did…

USC

January 11th, 2013
6:04 am

Not only did Ashley gradulate from Kentucky with Honors, she has a Masters in Public Administration from Harvard. I think Senator Foghorn would enjoy droning on to his wife (if he has one) about spending cuts and leave the rest of us with a thoughtful, intelligent, attractive, U.S. Senator named Judd.

Jack ®

January 11th, 2013
6:09 am

A “mark of our decline”? Just when things were looking up with the GOP being in disarray, the gun problem being handled by Biden, Hillary’s promise to testify, the cabinet positions all settled, the debt crisis solved by the taxing the rich and here’s Bookman talking about decline. I’ll never understand these moody liberals.

marko

January 11th, 2013
7:03 am

I like Morning Joe. It’s informative and entertaining. Listening this morning, I learned that 75% of all NRA members favor mandatory background checks for all gun purchases. It makes you wonder what kind of organization ignores the wishes of the vast majority of it’s membership.

Why Don’t we see if we can play Republican word games. A strange place where massive assaults on civil liberties are called Patriot Acts. Let’s quit calling it gun control , and call it by it’s proper name. Nut control.

Regarding Lance, when he was on top of his game, he was raking in about 16 million a year. Put aside your moral outrage a moment , and ask yourself if you’d cheat a bit for 16 million. Bicycle racing is a lot more like NASCAR than most people realize. They cover themselves in corporate logos, and if they aint cheating they aint trying.

Wilbur

January 11th, 2013
7:16 am

Jay feels all noble and adult for admitting that the trillion dollar coin is a stupid and silly idea but has no problem with yet another trillion dollar Obama IOU. It’s the endless Obama IOU’s that are what are stupid and dangerous.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
7:17 am

Good Morning Campers!

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
7:20 am

Wilbur

AS you don’t like the coin idea, would you prefer the 14th amendment remedy or the issuance of scrip to stop the stupid and dangerous behavior of those attempting to block the raising the debt ceiling?

Wilbur

January 11th, 2013
7:27 am

Always great to scroll back a little and read the left wing stalinists out in force on Bookman’s blog. Law? Freedom? Democracy? Rights? They don’t care. All that matters is their political win for the moment. This seems increasingly to be the face of the modern democratic party.

Aquagirl

January 11th, 2013
7:36 am

Hey alex—remember, coffee first, THEN post. :)

alex

January 11th, 2013
7:38 am

14 th amendment gets you exactly how many days-granny ? Stupid.
Kareem wants a stadium, no matter what the people say, what says you JAY? Stupid “leaders”

alex

January 11th, 2013
7:42 am

Thanks, Aqua, Friday, YEA! Got the post holiday Blues…..

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
7:45 am

alex

i don’t know, please tell us.

JamVet

January 11th, 2013
7:46 am

Hi Granny G! Just cranking DDR’s Low Rider link from her late night insomnia. What a great way to start a new day!

Like virtually all Republican infested organizations, the NRA will NEVER compromise.

No need wasting time and energy hoping that they will.

There is only one solution to dealing with them. Just as with the general GOP, they have to have their heavily monied asses kicked up and down the street for awhile until they very slowly begin see the writing on the wall and bend to common sense and ethical behavior…

Aquagirl

January 11th, 2013
7:46 am

Got the post holiday Blues…..

I make stupid pre-coffee posts all year long, lol.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
7:49 am

JamVet

I could not agree more…..

It appears we have broken the back of the Tea PArty, the NRA is next.

America no longer has the patience for “gun nuts”.

Jefferson

January 11th, 2013
7:54 am

Mac nearly lost last time, have the folks in KY wised up yet?

Georgia

January 11th, 2013
7:55 am

The Seahawk Cheerleaders are in Atlanta already! I saw em at the dome. You know, I think they’re dumb. Yeah, they thought they were playing Denver so I got them all to join the mile high stadium club beneath the bleachers. Yeah, I ended up having to throw a flag for too many cheerleaders in the cuddle. Yeah, don’t expect any cheerin’ out of any of them on Sunday. We got the cheer advantage in the bag. Go Falcons..

Hmmmmmmm

January 11th, 2013
8:01 am

Hope everyone is enjoying the NEW Obama Tax c/o of Obama care…. Yes, even the middle class… You voted we got it… SUCKERS!

Cherokee

January 11th, 2013
8:03 am

I suppose it would be a waste of time to explain to Wilbur that the Congress appropriates the money and directs the executive branch how to spend it?

I have to pay my bills Wilbur – why should Republicans in Congress be any different?

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:04 am

The new Obama tax, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Don’t you mean the end of a temporary tax holiday?

Please tell us all that you DO understand the difference?

JamVet

January 11th, 2013
8:04 am

GG, yep, the tea party is as relevant as their darlings Sarah Palin, Christine McDonald, Scott Brown, Sharron Angle and Alan West.

For Andy Sinkwink, RIP Tea Party 2009 – 2012.

Occupy that, sell outs.

Cherokee

January 11th, 2013
8:04 am

Which NEW Obama tax would that be, Hm?

Mick

January 11th, 2013
8:07 am

It’s the FICA tax of 2% that congress let expire, rates are back to 6.2% as they were two years ago…

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:10 am

mornin’.

As to compared to the Democratic convention where they put in their plank the legalization of sodomy, the killing of the innocent anytime for any reason and denied God 3 times.

ha ha ha. Our td was boozin’ it up somethin fierce last night, I see.

DannyX

January 11th, 2013
8:11 am

“Hope everyone is enjoying the NEW Obama Tax c/o of Obama care…. ”

Oh dear God, has this replaced Benghazi in the Fox News crazy rotation?

Cherokee

January 11th, 2013
8:11 am

Yeah I know Mick – it’s the low info folks like Hmmmm who don’t quite get it…

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:11 am

Wilbur doesn’t understand how money works.

I will make it real simple for Wilbur, and for everyone else. Money is worth what we, collectively, decide it is worth.

The end.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:12 am

Anyone else remember all those stalwart Republican Congrefscritters who were prepared to die on that 4.2% FICA rate hill?

Neither do I.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:13 am

Hmmmm makes me go…..aaaawwwwww

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:14 am

Hmmmm makes me go…..aaaawwwwww

I dig the dude’s screen handle though. I assume it’s an homage to his momma’s nickname.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:16 am

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:19 am

Hey, about this “deny God three times” business?

During the DNC, last year, I happened to be in God’s country, the passenger in a cow orker’s rental car, and said cow orker decided to tune in to some syndicated morning-redneck show (forget the hosts’ names, but y’all probably have heard of ‘em–”Jeb ‘n Cornhole”, or somesuch…)

It was a short drive to the client site, but I got to hear fifteeen solid minutes of crying and complaining about that last minute addition of “we think belief in God is swell if that’s what you’re into” to the Democratic platform. This was, apparently, the Most Important News Story in The World in Redneckville.

Which is why our td is still crying about it today, apparently.

Just in case anyone wondered WTF he was on about, up there.

saywhat?

January 11th, 2013
8:20 am

I say mint a few of the trillion dollar coins, and piss of the republicans further by either putting Obama’s face on it, or better yet, Reagan’s.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:20 am

stands!

in the place where you live.
Now face North
Think about direction.
Wonder why you haven’t

saywhat?

January 11th, 2013
8:23 am

correction- “piss off”, not “piss of”

addendum- but whatever they do, I hope they don’t put McConnells face on the coin.

Mick

January 11th, 2013
8:23 am

cherokee

Wasn’t addressing you…just one of the soldiers in the knucklehead brigade…

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:23 am

If you are confused, check with the sun
Carry a compass to help you along
Your feet are going to be on the ground
Your head is there to move you around, so

Good Words.

barking frog

January 11th, 2013
8:24 am

darn cow orkers will force music on you every time….

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:26 am

and piss of[f] the republicans further by either putting Obama’s face on it, or better yet, Reagan’s.

no, no, no. I’ve provided the answer to this before. The series of coinage should pay homage to the My Little Pony merchandising line/cartoon. por ejemplo…

http://libertarianlonghorns.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/The-Hub-presents-My-Little-Pony-Friendship-is-Magic.jpg

It’d be an appropriate homage to the stupidity of having to mint the bloody things in the first place.

(Either that, or “Poop Of the Animal Kingdom”, perhaps.)

Jay

January 11th, 2013
8:27 am

What’s a cow orker? And who knew cows needed orking in the first place?

Sheets.

stands for decibels

January 11th, 2013
8:29 am

Good Words.

reminds me. (I know it’s early for a Friday Night Music story, but bear with me.)

I’d been something of a fan of REM from the fairly early days. I was pretty happy for them as their records began to sell and they were starting to “make it.”

but I knew they’d really “made it” when, c. 1990, I was randomly tuning into some TV-movie that included a scene of some little kids at a playground, who were jumping around and twisting in the air, and singing THAT^^ song, just a few lines, as a throwaway.

Peadawg

January 11th, 2013
8:29 am

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:30 am

Practice safe orking.

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:32 am

Peadawg

Maybe all we need to do is make sure nobody under 21 ever touches a gun.

If society thinks they are too young for martinis, perhaps they are too young for shotguns.

TiredOfIt

January 11th, 2013
8:34 am

Some say that every time a con makes a negative or untrue comment, their party crumbles just a little more.

Hmmmmmmm

January 11th, 2013
8:38 am

I can only bring you to the water Granny… Yes, I know the difference.. It’s unfortunate that you don’t.

Anyway, some humor for the uninformed masses, that seem to congregate on this blog…

http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan13/trillion-coin01-13.html

Cheers.

alex

January 11th, 2013
9:10 am

Granny, new tax vs ending tax holiday, where do you come up with your “bias confirmation”, same old garbage perhaps you need another vacation at the beach…..Health care costs are up-ask your husband-but wait for it–a preoccupation with the good old “tea party” move on and get relevant…and jam-man is already angry, perhaps you could have him over to your beach house for a nice vacation..

dbm

January 13th, 2013
9:22 pm

Granny Godzilla

January 11th, 2013
8:32 am

People under 21 do touch, and drink, martinis and other alcohol. Sometimes they, and older people as well, cause horrific accidents by doing so. The law may cut down on this but can’t stop it. But horrific accidents are commonplace enough that they don’t have the journalistic or emotional impact that horrific shootings do, except for emotional impact on those most closely affected.