With enforcement tightened, time for immigration reform

Same story was on NPR this morning

Good luck on immigration reform. Until the deficit / debt crises go away, there won’t be oxygen available for immigration reform.

So unless Obama wants to solve the deficits, there won’t be immigration reform.

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or not

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As discussed on NPR, the numbers are a little inflated because they didn’t cut out the cost of the other duties that Customs and ICE perform. That said, the general picture is mostly accurate.

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“– Five years ago, 291,000 illegal immigrants were deported, and 35 percent of them had criminal records. In 2012, the number of deportations rose to a record 410,000, more than half of whom had criminal records. In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.”

And during that same time period how many illegals came into the country?

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book. Enforce the laws and close the boarders and we can then talk about reform. BTW: Amnesty is not reform.

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“there is no net new illegal immigration from Mexico for the first time in 40 years.”

Yeah, cause all the jobs are gone. The unemployment rate in Mexico is far lower than the United States.

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Where is the magically impervious border fence? Everyone knows that’s what we need, and until it’s built the screechers will consider this stuff as window dressing.

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I’d rather obama put his capital towards social security and making that entitlement more solvent…

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“Again, we spend considerably more on enforcement of immigration laws than we spend on the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and DEA combined.”

But wait, I thought the Kenyan communist black guy surely wanted to just throw open the gates and let the hordes flood in.

You mean, he was actually a more cruel enforcer of immigration laws than George W. Bush?

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GG

My argument is far more sound than the MPI’s

First, correlation. Second, how often does the threat of capital punishment stop a murder? People committing crimes rarely if ever consider the consequences. They always assume they’ll be one of the ones to get away with it.

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Frankly, I still want to see more enforcement on the EMPLOYERS.

stiffer penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants – jail time and steep fines.

you want to stop the flow of illegal immigration? go to the source.

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Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:44 am

GG

My argument is far more sound than the MPI’s

First, correlation. Second, how often does the threat of capital punishment stop a murder? People committing crimes rarely if ever consider the consequences. They always assume they’ll be one of the ones to get away with it.
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I asked for proof, I got piffle.

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what am I missing?

The obvious fact that the CIA isn’t a domestic law enforcement agency.

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Mick

January 8th, 2013
9:02 am

I say amnesty offered to all who sign up for SS#.

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an historic transformation of immigration enforcement and the emergence of a complex, modernized, cross-governmental immigration enforcement system that projects beyond the nation’s borders and and at the same time reaches into local jails and courtrooms across the United States to generate an unparalleled degree of enforcement activity

Sure sounds like a pinko’s in charge to me.

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The Truth

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book.

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To be accurate you need to add the word SOME to the above.

Then you need to think about how reasonable and sane it is to prioritize.

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I say amnesty offered to all who sign up for SS#.

We already have an amnesty program. It’s called “marry a US citizen who will file the paperwork for me” or for USCIS people, it’s called Form I-130.

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“Obama doesn’t have to lift a finger to enforce the laws on the books when he has people like me to do it for him. I got Obama’s back just as I had Bush’s back when it comes to enforcing immigration laws.”

go get ‘em, Bro!!!! (just be nice to us ex-pats in glasses)

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USinUK — “Frankly, I still want to see more enforcement on the EMPLOYERS.

stiffer penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants – jail time and steep fines.

you want to stop the flow of illegal immigration? go to the source.”

This.

Any sort of stiffer enforcement mechanism has to include heavy penalties for those knowingly — or who should have known that they were — hiring/employing illegals.

Jail time and financial penalties that are a percentage of the previous year’s gross — not flat monetary fines. The only way companies will care about financial penalties is if they’re large enough to make a dent in the bottom line and thereby draw the interest and ire of investors.

e.g. if Hormel gets caught using illegals to can and package Spam, then slam Hormel for 5% of their previous year’s gross and put a director or two in jail. Investors will notice the hell out of THAT.

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Well, I sure hope this immigration reform don’t cause more Mexicans to move here to take the job of God-fearing rednecks. More of us would be employed if all those cheap laborers wasn’t around for employers to scarf up. Anyhow, a good redneck can doing anything a Mexican can do, so there’s no reason not to hire us.

I would write more but it’s time for my 5th break of the morning and I don’t want to miss out. Also, I got to get enough beer stocked so I can call in sick tomorrow and take little Nathan Zell George up to the mountains.

Have a good Tuesday everybody and I guess this immigration push means my idea for us to haul the illegals in our pickups and dump them across the border is deader than 4 a.m. in Ocilla.

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JAY

Got it thanks..Amnesty and even tighter border security…

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” Mexico Stockmarket: Up 33%”

okay. am I the only one who chuckles at the though that Grupo Bimbo is one of the companies on the Mexican stock exchange?

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Jay

Thought occurs that the amount of money spent is a meaningless argument to Republicans. We spend about as much on defense as the next dozen countries combined but that’s met with a blank stare and a ’so what?” Now, if you want to get their attention on a program because of the tremendous sums being invested, you have to turn to NPR or Sesame Street or Planned Parenthood or foreign aid.

” In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.”

But you do know that by using selective targeting of resources, Pres Obama is breaking the law and violating his oath of office, don’t you?

Yes, it’s time to move on with basic elements of immigration reform. But I am afraid Republicans will follow the same model they did with debt reduction:

1. Complain about the debt.
2. Accuse the other side of ignoring it.
3. Say only Republicans can fix it.
4. When pressed on details, say “the ball’s in the White House’s court. It’s up to them to say what they’d do.”

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”Mexico Stockmarket: Up 33%”

Greek stock market up 33% in 2012.

We need to be more like Greece and Mexico.

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Jay – 9:55 – huzzah!!! more of that please!!

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“Republicans should try winning a few elections”

Nay, nay! I dont want the republicans to win any elections. That would only lengthen the continued hardships for Americans while the republicans fight to keep American afloat. No, let the democrats have it and after we become another Greece or Mexico, then the morons on the east coast, west coast, and up north will abandoned the plantation and seek relief where it can only be done by the conservatives. Yes, you will have to work to eat. I know its tough but it is a life choice.

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None of this “reform” addresses the question as to how did all the horses get out of the barn in the first place.

If our Government was seriously commited to the people and not to their Parties and corporate sponsors, we’ed have a blue ribbom committee determine how we got so many millions of illegals here in the first place.

Then, this committee would see what US laws were violated, name the guilty and appoint special prosecutors to bring them to trial.

In the meanwhile, all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders to stop any further illegals from entering.

Naturally, the chances of any of this actually happening are about the same as winning the powerball lottery.

Hey, is this a great country or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“In the meanwhile, all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders to stop any further illegals from entering.”

ohgoodgod. yes. armed people at the (Mexican, I’m assuming) border. because no one ever defies tourist visas.

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…then the morons on the east coast, west coast, and up north…

THAT’s what I’m talking about!

And is Georgia 49th or 50th in national rankings for education these days, willie? Keep up the good work, cons.

You are a non-Republican’s dream come true…

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all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders

Why do you think it’s appropriate to use the military in this way? They’re not cheap multipurpose labor with guns. If you want more border security, pay the taxes cheapskate.

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” I dont want the republicans to win any elections. That would only lengthen the continued hardships for Americans while the republicans fight to keep American afloat. No, let the democrats have it ”

just as I thought.

the GOP is nothing but a bunch of takers, not makers.

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I’m finding that Clinton did virtually nothing in order to keep voting base, Bush deported 2 million in 8 years and BO is at 1.4 million at 4 years…all things being equal…the trend is favorable since Clinton…BO will become the champion of deportation in short order…

Lets take money and resources from defense budget and step up our program at the border. Seems to me we have much more risk from border crossings than we do from…say Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, etcetera..

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Aquagirl

January 8th, 2013
10:16 am

all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders

Why do you think it’s appropriate to use the military in this way? They’re not cheap multipurpose labor with guns. If you want more border security, pay the taxes cheapskate.

Yes, we should take the 60 billion a year Obama has increased Food Stamps in four years and use it to put more people on the border.

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America is broken (and has been for a while).

if you ever choose to stop whining and, finally, self-deport, I will be happy to drive you to the airport.

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“Why don’t we make Mexico the 51st state”

I’d be okay with it, but I think the citizens of Mexico should get some say, don’t you? Or are you advocating violent overthrow?

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“Plus, we could shut down the drugs and killing.”

Lol.

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As long as there are 12 million criminals in this country, the job is not done. I understand that we can’t deport all of them, but anyone caught breaking the law, even something as minor ans driving, should be tossed out along with anyone who does not speak English.

Democrats want to create a database of legal gun owners, but do not care who is in this country illegally. Guess in the liberal mind, cherry picking laws to follow is a good thing, but considering Harry has not produced a budget, as required by law, liberals are above the law.

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“I will be happy to drive you to the airport.”

or off the closest pier …

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The “illegals” are sneaking back across the border, They are smart enough to know that the current administration is not going to work

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Nookly23

You didn’t even read Jay’s lead, did you?

Ah well, one soapbox is as good as another.

BTW, can you please point me to the ‘law’ that says the Senate is required to produce a ‘budget’?

You’re not just repeating lalaland talking points without thinking about them, are you?

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Immigration Reform is simple….it’s called the Naturalization Process. All of these folks who say they really want to be citizens need to march down to the immigration office and begin the process. I would welcome any who follow the laws of this great Republic. If you aren’t willing to do that…carry yourself back home.

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That’s a battle we won’t remotely win unless legalization happens..

legalization would help with the cartel boarder violence for a while anyway…until the cartels move on to something else more lucrative

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Well the conservatives and tradionalists could swap Mexico for America. The Mexicans move to America and the conservatives move to Mexico. After a few years Mexico will the land of opportunity and America will become a third world country filled with people having an equal amount of misery. No god, perversion galore, and no guns–what a paradise! Well you liberals will have to make those immigrants plant and gather food for you.

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Did anyone see the South Park episode when Cartman worked for border control and all the illegals were running back to Mexico and we were trying to keep them here?

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am
Did your grandmother violate any immigration laws?

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you mean my grandmother who came here from Italy and worked hard all her life should be thrown out because her first language was Italian, which she spoke until the day she died?

so that’s where you got the cooking gene…and the guilt gene….and the passive aggressive gene
ask me how I know

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I like my illegal alien friends. The ones I know pay taxes, but they can’t file a return…….. they create jobs…….. but can’t get a tax break……… the spend lots on the economy……..

I don’t see the problem.

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Nookly23 @10:22…Proof that Fox News is worse than drugs.

“This is your brain,”
“This is Fox News.”
“This is your brain on Fox News.”
“Any questions?”

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Erwin –

Italians are a lot of things … PASSIVE aggressive isn’t one of them.

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Anyone who wants to come to the U.S. should be required to buy a house, housing crisis solved.

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indigo

There ain’t much going on anywhere along the Southern Border that we don’t know about or respond to. You do realize that we have approximately 8000 miles of land border between Mexico and Canada, right?

BP Agents patrol those areas away from the official ports of entry, and they do a damned good job of it. There are about 20,000 BP Agents in total. So, there are approximately 2.5 Border Agents per mile of US land border. If you ran them in 12 hour shifts, that would give you one agent per mile coverage, not giving them a single day off. If you want the border locked down, then pay the necessary taxes to hire more agents. Even then, there is no way to “lock down” open space. That idea is pure fiction.

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They reported that te Ga Dept of Agriculture had not been using E-verify for the past years. Put the Administrator in jail after he/she is fired. If this “anti immigration” regime doesn’t do it, get rid of the laws. People talk about Pres Obama not enforcing the law…practice what you preach!

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The right are big shots with our money. The other big dollar item in the Justice Department is drug enforcement. And even then it doesn’t cover the cost of building prisons and housing a small nation of over sentenced felons which the majority of this country is moving against doing in the first place. Well over 50% of the federal prison population is drug related. The violence in Mexico which cost this country billions each year is directly related to the war on drugs. We love playing Rambo, something to do with the right’s gun fetish.

What happens in these hard winded programs is reality catches up with the snake oil; the medicine gets too expensive and doesn’t cure the problem. So in a quiet retreat the politicians on the right swipe all the red meat under the rug clean the place up and now we are not in the illegal deportation or the illegal drug business they so energetically backed.

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USin UK: Oh yes we can!

Go Bro!

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Stevie Ray

Great that you didn’t get slimed…

I often wonder how many people actually know about that “industry” and all the issues that arise because of it.

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“Anyone who wants to come to the U.S. should be required to buy a house, housing crisis solved.”

considering the monetary requirements to set up residence in the US, you might as well.

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Stevie Ray – mine are from up north in the Piedmont … and, yeah, we’re a pretty loud bunch – not much subtlety in my family.

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Frank Sinkwich: “What is the real reason lib ilks like Jay and his commie cluster here want to make a big move on this now?”

Who’s Jay Bookman’s “commie cluster” exactly? Just curious.

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Road Scholar

You know, this is my area of expertise. I’ve had a front seat for this production for a while now.

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Maybe a phone call to President Nieto and ask with the incredible natural resources that Mexico has coupled with an incredibly smart and hard working work force why do folks risk their lives to escape Mexico?

Second, it would seem to have been rather smart to do comprehensive immigration reform with comprehensive health care reform- ie the walking and chewing gum analogy didn’t apply then I suppose.

Now that we are here and Romney lost (as he should have somewhat on the stupidity of self deportation) our lawmakers should do what they are paid to do- negotiate and pass reform.

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Fred

I’m gonna have to go check them out to see if they have their papers.

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Jay 9:59

you don’t say….

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An entire discussion of illegal immigration on the southern border and not a single mention of the ….

North American Free Trade Agreement?

If you want to understand the ebbs and flows of asylum seekers, better to understand it at its source. For example, the wiped out jobs.

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Kam

Until you mentioned that, I had not even noticed it. They’re slipping big time….

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I like my illegal alien friends. The ones I know dont pay taxes because they claim six dependents on their w4, but they can’t file a return because of their illegal status, they take jobs from the plantation residents…….. but can’t get a tax break because we need immigration reform……… they send lots to their home country economy……..

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“Too late now..but Yes!”

so, she arrived here legally, paid her taxes, raised 3 boys, but because she spoke Italian, she should have been deported.

oh, yeah.

THAT’S priorities.

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“JUST WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!?”

Thanks, Kamchak…I knew SOMETHING was missing…

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The GOP cannot continue to follow the crazies on this issue. GOP has won the popular vote in presidential elections 1 out of the last 6 elections (Bush, the second time).

Demography is destiny and the GOP is slowly starting to realize that there aren’t enough angry old white males to keep them in office.

And as to reaching out to Hispanics, how can they listen to the GOP message when the GOP is trying to deport their father/abuela, cousin, etc.

Time to get the issue solved in 2013.

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“willieb – ” Did your grandmother violate any immigration laws?”

nope. came through Ellis Island and everything.”

welcome to America!!

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NEVER” is a bit strong, but commie cluster describes the majority of the voters in America?

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F. Sinkwich

Lefty Priority?

http://americasvoiceonline.org/research/republican-conservative-movement-leaders-support-immigration-reform/

Lookee Lookee Lookee at all the righties with left wing priorities.

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“Junkies always blame their pusher, the US is no exception”

So you are saying that Mexicans are not competent enough to know “right from wrong”?

I personally hold them in higher regard.

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Too late now..but Yes!”

so, she arrived here legally, paid her taxes, raised 3 boys, but because she spoke Italian, she should have been deported.

oh, yeah.
THAT’S priorities.

I was only kiddin’

(Hey, I was forced to learn english to attend 1st grade. Had 2 months to practice)

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Here’s a reform idea. Kick their invading arses out and no amnesty.

And exactly how much are you willing to spend — on a per head basis — to round ‘em up and kick ‘em out?

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Hell Jay copied the facts right on the blog, you can read can’t you.

As for the left worrying about getting the cons to do anything, those days are at rest for a while. The last nominations by Obama is kind of the, “ in your face” reality the losing side, which still doesn’t get is, will be eating for at least four year and forever if they stay in the cave they live in now.

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“NEVER” is a bit strong, but commie cluster describes the majority of the voters in America?”

Please re-read my entire sentence. ESL is tough, but practice makes perfect.

But thanks for asking.

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“I suggest you take another look at the GOP demographics and tell me again how sustainable it is.”

How many votes did Obama win by? There’s your sign!

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“commie cluster describes the majority of the voters in America”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceHa5E46fQg

oh, yeah … I have a feeling this clip is going to get a lot of play over the next four years …

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Yepper I cant wait for the middle class to receive their paychecks this month. It is going to be smaller. The dollar cant buy as much. Oh and the cost of healthcare will close business and there will be layoffs and less job opportunities. The commie cluster is for America! hahahaha

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Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
11:12 am

“Lookee Lookee Lookee at all the righties with left wing priorities.”

We have another with reading comprehension deficits. The “righties” always wanted comprehensive immigration reform to protect our borders and citizens not just to have more people to deceive in voting for them like the progressive liberals.
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they were? really? and what did they do?

did they legislate?

did they investigate?

did they procrastinate?

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Shouldn’t all of the 410k deported have a criminal record if they’re here illegally and are thus breaking our laws?

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“Yepper I cant wait for the middle class to receive their paychecks this month. It is going to be smaller. The dollar cant buy as much. Oh and the cost of healthcare will close business and there will be layoffs and less job opportunities… hahahaha”

Yepper, willieb do take joy in the misery of others…

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“they were? really? and what did they do?

did they legislate?

did they investigate?

did they procrastinate?

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You are talking about Obama and democrats are you not? He is starting his fifth year doncha know?

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“Obama carried the state of Florida, for one thing, because he pointed out the right are blood thirsty for anything that is not white, male, and younger than 40″

and he did it in Florida with a significant headwind, considering the governor did everything in his power to make it harder to vote

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/03/election-florida-early-voting-scrutiny

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Shouldn’t all of the 410k deported have a criminal record if they’re here illegally and are thus breaking our laws?

Illegal presence is not a criminal offense, and they will not have a criminal record unless they commit a criminal offense.

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Simple Truths

“I call BS on this “study” and Jay’s blog post. I didn’t see a dollars break down that indicated how much money at ICE and CBP went to customs activity. Nor how much of the growth was on the immigration side. There is a big difference between a customs agent checking cargo containers in Savannah versus an agent on the border.”

Are you also going to ‘call BS” on Republicans who say the Defense budget can’t be touched when there’s no breakdown of how much goes for actual defense and how much is spent on, say, parade floats or interior decorating for generals’ houses?

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“Sure, most of them do. And since there’s more consumers here than sellers there, our con lectures about respecting the law sound pretty stupid and hypocritical.”

Nonsensical- don’t follow what a “con lecture” means.

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Steve – UsinUK
True. My ancestors are from Calabria where all the criminals resided in the early 20th century…we are in-your-face sort of lot.

Palermo 1st gen here…were passive aggressive as in “make you an offer you can’t refuse”

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Erwin – I think a better illustration would be “you’ve got a lovely horse … shame if anything should happen to it”

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Erwin’s cat, I bet your grandmother entered this country legally and did what was legal to gain her citizenship plus she learned the English language. Good for her! That’s the difference!

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Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
11:33 am

“Obama carried the state of Florida, for one thing, because he pointed out the right are blood thirsty for anything that is not white, male, and younger than 40″

Why do you hate white people? Is that not racist?
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We don’t hate ALL white people. Just the ones like you.

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USinUK

guy – Lucia (my mother) didn’t speak much English and certainly couldn’t read any of it. She insisted we spoke English outside the house.

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Greener pastures elsewhere? Except for those needing medical care.

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The right inflates the value of the word criminal. At some point there were about 3 laws you could be locked up in a federal prison, around the 1960s. Then the Nixon minded right found prison a wonderful place to gain votes, put their enemies and pork barrel the crime fighting right with jobs that they could carry real guns with bullets. Strom Thurmond replaced the failed textile business with federal prisons in South Carolina; even build one in Edgefield on his family property. Now you have to have criminals to fill a prison, so those who once were citizens are now criminals easy enough. A little like slavery if you think about it. What the economy needs the economy gets, we worry about morality when we die.

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“F. Sinkwich

Lefty Priority?”

Munro jumbo to placate the lefties in a feeble attempt to get them “to like us.”

Nothing about priorities in that link, Granny.

Sorry.

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whatchyoutalkinbout willie?
some of my best friends are white
it is only a coincidence that they all have big Bayliner boats

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and
evidently want to cherrypick the educated immigrants to
take jobs from our educated natives. So much for the
grandchildren.

Exactly frog.

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“Lucia (my mother) didn’t speak much English and certainly couldn’t read any of it. She insisted we spoke English outside the house.”

sounds just like my grandma – I think it’s far more important what they DO when they’re here – are they law-abiding? are they improving the country by raising good families? then, hell, I don’t care WHAT they speak! should they speak the native language, yes – but making it a deportable offense? oh hells no.

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Common: My lawn crew is American. Two brothers actually. I can even pay them via paypal which works great for both of us. he comes when he thinks it’s time does my stuff and I don’t have to be there.

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The only people who cannot enter the US without a passport is a
US Citizen. Problem solved.

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Or maybe we freeze out Mexico with a 100% trade embargo

Not gonna happen when you have “American” companies, such as Hershey, closing shop here and setting up in Mexico. Think about that the next time you buy some chocolate.

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Legalize all the illegals and adopt an open-door policy. That’d make a lot of people happy: especially the righteous.

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Fred

My crew was also (even in Gwinnett LOL)

When Gwinnett was putting subdivisions everywhere you couldn’t drive past them without noting that the MAJORITY of workers were hispanic.

Many of my daughters friends lost their jobs in the construction industry because the wouldn’t work for below minimum wage (on 1099’s)

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evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales

White people aren’t illegals by definition. Duh! ‘Merica was founded by white people who populated the empty continent.

On the other hand Brown = let’s see those papers, boy.

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Brosephus, UsinUK
Yes, I was saying that the immigration problem no longer exists
since immigration reform has made it that US citizens must have
a passport to enter the US while others do not.

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Common: Your daughters friends must have worked for seriously low end ‘companies.” In construction, “aliens” earn much more than Americans because they usually work twice as hard and for longer hours. I was never ’smart’ enough to figure out how to NOT give someone a 1099. If I didn’t, then I got to pay the taxes on that money……….

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“With that condition having been met — although more progress can and should continue to be made — it’s now time to move forward on other elements of basic immigration reform.”

There clearly appears to have been a considerable improvement in enforcement overall (discounting the exceptions the Obama administration has made in that effort the past several years). I see you did not make mention of a possibly telling criticism of the report cited in the article:

“One prominent conservative voice on immigration, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, on Monday criticized the report’s methodology, saying that it lumped money spent on customs enforcement together with money spent on immigration enforcement without distinguishing between the two.

The nearly $18 billion cited by the report includes funding for “things such as screening cargo, checking the duty-free purchases you made abroad, and so on,” Krikorian wrote in a blog post. “It’s not so much for law enforcement in the G-man sense as it is management of the daily business of government, like the Post Office or highway maintenance.”

In any case, I guess it will be interesting to see what are the “other elements of basic immigration reform”. I don’t think many people want a repeat of 1986 – near blanket amnesty for millions who entered our country illegally and in spite of those who did so legally.

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LOL AG. How big is YOUR rotor tiller?

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Fred ™

I was never ’smart’ enough to figure out how to NOT give someone a 1099. If I didn’t, then I got to pay the taxes on that money……….
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I have been in business for 50 years and 1099’s have always been required,
though often ignored to vendors, but when Obamacare reiterated this requirement
Republicans went squirrely about it.

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Common: If I ever issued a SS number to someone and that number was bogus, the Department of Labor would contact me. I had it happen. When I confronted one guy he “went home” to go get his card and I never saw him again. Other’s brought me real numbers.

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barking frog: I have been in business for 50 years and 1099’s have always been required

I didn’t know you were that old. No WONDER you are so smart and post such wisdom as you do……… experience.

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Paul @ 11:30: Yes. I think the military budget has to be on the table when cutting is discussed. You can’t protect anything, especially the big line items.

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Fred

18″ and a 6hp engine.

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Hey Brocephus, just want to thank you for your comments – nice to have someone who can actually share relevant information on a topic. I’ve learned some things from you today.

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Kam

18″ and a 6hp engine
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No wonder why you get such interesting visitors

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Common: I’ve been saying for years that “illegal immigrants” is one of the biggest Gov’t scams for EXACTLY the thing you state. If the Dept. of Labor can tell me within 2 weeks that I have an employee with a bogus SS number, they can sure as hell tell that “Pedro Martinez” is working in 200 different cities across 46 States EVERY DAY. But why would they want to stop that?

Look at what it funds. They are taking payroll taxes from folks who can NEVER collect Social Security. They are taking income taxes from folks who can NEVER filer a return to “get some back.” they are paying and paying and paying and getting nothing for it.

That’s why I laugh at all the right wing idiots talking about “them dam messikin” getting all them benefits. It’s a crock of crap propagated by talk radio idiots and FOXBOTS and believed by idiots. Very few “messikins” make less than minimum wage.

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guy

January 8th, 2013
12:12 pm

Fred, just don’t let the FOXBOTS take my free scooter,healthcare,and monthly welfare check. To heck with everyone else, just let me get my freebies. I am a true Patriot!!!!!
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Don’t forget your Obamaphone and prom dress bought with your food stamps. Or your Caddy payments made with your foodstamps……..

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FarTrain

January 8th, 2013
12:14 pm

Just heard good news. Illinois is close to giving illegal immigrants driver’s license. Made me mad at first then realized there is a positive side to this.
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Yeah, there IS a positive side to this all though you lack the basic intelligence to see what it is. With a drivers license they can buy INSURANCE so that when they hit your car they can now have it fixed instead of running away leaving you holding the bag.

But Rush never told you that did he?

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GT

January 8th, 2013
12:16 pm

In reality we make our own hell. Michael Douglas played the drug czar in the movie Traffic. In the movie his daughter is hooked on drugs and falls into the illegal world of the war on drugs. In his own life Douglas’s son Dylan is serving time for drug related crimes.

Our men Newt like Cheney and so many mean spirited people have siblings and children who declare they are gay, in the echo of their brother and father’s red meated, fire breathing speeches of them against us. That mob you run with may some day hang your family, and in the meanwhile will make your life their life, their sins, your sins.
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If what you say is true I better drown my daughter before she grows up and marrys a damn New York City, Southern Baptist, Frenchman and then goes to law school……………

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USinUK — “that’s what I keep trying to tell them … evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales”

Time to trot this out again.

My wife is Hispanic. Born here, raised here, brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin, speaks English without an accent (okay, a California accent, dude).

Co-worker’s wife is blonde and blue-eyed. Moved here in her early 20s and has a lovely English accent. Pip pip, cheerio and all that with a cup of tea, mate.

Guess which one gets ‘randomly selected’ for extra screening at the airport?

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Brocephus: I know several Canadians who have over stayed their visas…….. for decades……

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“When Ye shall no longer be able to walk upon the earth without being impeded by uni-brow sub-intellect auto-maton government workers dressed within tact-less costumes ………..then Ye shall surely know………as long as the west-wind blows the honeysuckle rose before the killing frost………..that your society is doomed.”
Cheif Jumping Turtle, Seminole Tribe, Displaced 1972

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If so, rather than insult my intelligence and the competence of our Military, just say it’s ok for all these illegals to be here.

Saying we shouldn’t use the military for border control is completely separate from other issues. I don’t think the military is incompetent, I served in the military myself. (Although there were individuals who couldn’t find their butts with both hand and a flashlight.)

Military training does not equate to border patrol training, just because both groups usually carry weapons does not mean you can exchange the two. And while your confidence in the Armed Forces is flattering, it’s still a misuse of those people who sign up. If they wanted to be guarding the border they would get a job with the appropriate agency.

They don’t enlist so they can be separated from their family and shipped to the Mexican or Canadian border because we don’t feel like hiring border patrol agents.

Our military isn’t trained for this job any more than the Border Patrol is trained to go fight in Afghanistan. I notice no one suggests that scenario, why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”

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Aquagirl — “why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”

This right here is why I love me some Aquagirl.

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Aquagirl — “why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”

This right here is why I love me some Aquagirl.

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F. Sinkwich

January 8th, 2013
12:32 pm

” With a drivers license they can buy INSURANCE… ”

Bwaahahahahahahaha

Stop it, Freddie, you’re killin’ me!
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Yeah I know. When Americans like YOU won’t buy insurance why would they……..

BTW: ESPN has a nice write up on your “namesake.” If you click answer me a question: Is that his tongue hanging out of is his chin deformed?

http://espn.go.com/ncf/features/heisman/_/year/1942/set/2

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The double-posting gremlin does vex me.

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Aquagirl – “our Military isn’t trained for this job”

Do you know what a U2 is?

Do you know how sensitive spy satellites are?

Do you know what “spookies” are?

Apparently not.

So, FYI, these are just some of our military platforms that see just about everything. I assure you they could guard our borders and instantly inform ground forces if they were being breached.

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indigo — “So, FYI, these are just some of our military platforms that see just about everything. I assure you they could guard our borders and instantly inform ground forces if they were being breached.”

F*Y*I, U2s, spysats and “spookies” are overkill for a surveillance job that could easily be handled with aerostats and loitering drones/light aircraft. And with military-grade ground-surveillance radar, which I’m sure is already used on the border.

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Fred: I know several Canadians who have over stayed their visas…….. for decades……

Canadians are tricky to deal with and catch. They’re mostly exempt from the US-VISIT program, so they avoid the primary “overstay” indicator when they come to the country. They’re treated almost like US citizens, so they can sometimes fall through the cracks that others get caught in. I’ve caught a few, but it took a great deal of research to get the information necessary to catch them in their deceit.

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We have over 12 million illegal aliens still living in the United States. Until all illegal aliens have been deported and our border secured we will continue to have Enforcement problems. We need to make E-Verify both Mandatory and Retro-Active so that all the companies that currently have illegal aliens employed will fire them and hire American citizens. We could create millions of jobs and encourage millions of illegal aliens to back back home.

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Why not obey the laws that we have now!

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Not hanging out — inside of mouth, Freddie…

Good write-up.

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indigo

January 8th, 2013
12:44 pm

USinUK – “anothe member of the binary brigade”

I know you think that’s a hip adult insult.

Actually, it’s what I’d expect from a Christian Academy 10th grader.
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And when all logic and thought fails, go for the Christian bashing. Sweet. I doubt USinUK will mind too much as she’s a heathen like you lol.

But it makes you feel really powerful and important. hey I know, go write Jesus on some paper and then go pee on it. THAT will show him……

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Back for a second.

JHM. I got a four paragraph response from Lindgren (along with his phone number) just now. I did NOT expect that. I think it would be improper for me to publish it here, but he apologized for not having any copies of the cited articles and suggested exactly what resources I could use to validate them. He said some other interesting things which I might share with you personally on the promise it remain confidential. I am not sure he would mind me publishing his e-mail response, but I don’t want to presume he wouldn’t (I am sure you understand).

Cool!

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“Being a veteran myself, I don’t think most servicemen/servicewomen *want* to go to war at all.”

I know. I was just exaggerating (in a satirical way) in the way she often does. I don’t know how many people enlist with the thought of being “lifers”, but I would guess it is not the majority. Military service for many, I suspect, is merely a pathway to better things (vocational training, college education, job experience and so on). In that respect, I don’t have a problem with, say, the National Guard, being trained to watch the border – as it sure beats digging holes and then filling them in.

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Fred @ 12:45

Remember that the next time we get together…

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FYI……AND as a public announcement.
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When dealing with your local Federale……….because of the “no inflation” we are experiencing………..it will now be TWO bottles of Hennesy ..or Grey goose…….to facilitate your immigration and/or contraband process.
Your coorperation is appreciated.
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Forward Chicago/Detroit…………and
Carry on/

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In that respect, I don’t have a problem with, say, the National Guard, being trained to watch the border – as it sure beats digging holes and then filling them in.

If they’re trained to watch the border, why not call them “Border Patrol?” Are they going to do this one weekend a month? What about the other 28 days of the month? Or do you think we should call them up indefinitely away from their families, jobs, and businesses?

As a bonus we could avoid using the military to enforce civilian law. As someone else pointed out, that’s not a good thing. It’s also illegal, and WHUT PART OF EYE-LEGAL DON’T U UNNERSTAND?

There is a real danger if you don’t train to do your actual military job. That takes time and money, and we need to decide if they will be trained for military jobs or border patrol jobs. Again, despite all the admiration for the military, they aren’t like swiss army knives that can pull out the border patrol attachment on demand.

Let’s leave such demands to the ignorant who don’t understand the military. They’re just silly noisemakers.

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Cherokee

No problem. If you have an immigration related question, feel free to ask me at any time. I have no problem with passing on information that I’m allowed to give out.

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Geez. More stupidity from the mouth breathers on the right.

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Whoops, busted.

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JHM

Leave the puppetry arts to the professionals.

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Did Jay pick up the tab yet?

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Did Jay pick up the tab yet?

he’s waiting for you to pay your fair share

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Did Jay pick up the tab yet?

he’s waiting for you to pay your fair share

He shoots… He scores… and the crowd goes wild!!!!!!

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There is no fair share except where we all put every penny we have together and divide it equally among every citizen. Everyone then shares In the wealth! YES!

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There is no fair share except where we all put every penny…

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd, I stopped reading.

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“Income inequality gaps lead to revolution.”

highly debatable

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Regnad – Interesting. Jm, what, in your opinion, ARE the major causes of revolution

centripetal force

I’m on a roll (no pun intended)

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I once had a very bright young Vietnamese student who said *for some of us, the US is not the promised land,* which I understood completely. He did go home, eventually. My daughter-in-law spent part of her sabbatical in Southeast Asia. My son joined her for a few months. They were the guests for a week in the large Hanoi home of a well-to-do physician and family. My son remarked that in some ways capitalism is thriving there. One of my daughters works in a bio-lab in Houston with a number of Indian and Chinese who have HB-1 visas. My point again being that Immigration is not Mexico.

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guy

January 8th, 2013
1:14 pm

Fred, Everyone should listen to you because everyone else is dumb,stupid,or wrong. You seem to be the smartest one on these blogs and you are always right. The rest of us are in awe of you and are fortunate to have you to teach us what we need to know. Don’t know what we’d do without your expertise! WOW!!!
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No everybody is stupid, maybe just you. But thanks for the hero worship. it moves me. Bowing in my presence is not necessary. A simple genuflection will suffice.

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Bro, “Illegal presence is not a criminal offense, and they will not have a criminal record unless they commit a criminal offense.”

Nice try, doofus. Illegal presence is a person who has overstayed their visa and should no longer be here. Illegal ENTRY is a criminal offense.

Now, dazzle us with your knowledge of how many of our illegal Mexican guests are actually here on a visa vs. just illegally entering by wandering over the border in the dark of night.

Is there any issue you liberals won’t lie about? Seriously….

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Mr. Bookman conveniently ignores that while 20 million of his fellow citizens are unable to find full-time work, 7 million illegals are being permitted to keep their jobs in construction, manufacturing, transportation and service and hospitality.

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[...] With enforcement tightened, time for immigration reform [...]

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THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DON’T SPEAK UP NOW, THE MAJORITY OF US TAXPAYERS WILL BE FOREVER SORRY?

It don’t matter which group of politicians you vote for, as the cost for another Path to Citizenship is prohibitive for all Americans. Speaking for myself, as an Independent and probably a good half of America just surfing the web and not hand tied by the Liberal press and their leftists editorial staff, I believe that in heavily Liberal strongholds that unknown numbers of non-citizens voted in the presidential election. With Obama pushing even more taxes, he wants another Amnesty and hundreds of billions of people throughout the world is avidly listening? The encouraging word is going out and all these uncountable numbers of foreign nationals are going to sweep down on the poorly guarded borders of Mexico and Canada. Then with this well publicized scenario that entries as a tourist is not tracked, a good course of action will bring unfettered numbers of visitors to our door, that are of no mind to return home.

All we going to gain from Obama’s immigration venture is more poverty, more illiterate and uneducated who we the taxpayer will eventually have to cover their bills. Another multi-trillion dollar amnesty is a catastrophe waiting to happen, so says the Heritage Foundation. Have you noticed that you already paying for every smuggled child of illegal aliens, who have reached sovereign America? The “Anchor Baby” is the real thing, as once settled here under a fabricated misuse law, they get automatic citizenship and YOU PAY, and YOU KEEP PAYING from delivery to grave. UNLESS WE ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THE 14th AMENDMENT, CHANGE WILL NEVER COME AND FOREVER WE WILL BE PAYING FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS CHILDREN WHO CLAIM CITIZENSHIP, WHICH WAS STRINGENTLY APPLIED TO ONLY SLAVES? Their parents have that foothold and are able to collect every citizen benefit, without even spending one penny. No wonder Medicade is out the window in entitlements that should be going to citizens, real citizens.

Obama is showing his true Socialist true self, especially when he declares we must pay our bills? Can anybody tell me that his spending isn’t extravagant, when every prior and post administration we are paying for every foreign child; overloading our schools with non English speaking illegal children and the consequences to Americans who taxes are riding sky high. The newspapers and Lib-Democrats always broadcast about entitlements for low income families, when millions of these families are here illegally? One member slips across the borders, fly here and the rest relatives follow, and collect ample amounts of cash payments and citizen benefits for every infant.

Two laws could send illegal aliens packing and you can read about the Legal Workforce Bill, which detects illegal aliens stealing jobs from Americans Mandatory E-Verify is the way to go and it enforces strict regulations on unconcerned business owners. Amnesty is a senseless, diabolical plan for illegal aliens, when an estimated 24 million Americans are jobless? The Birthright Citizenship Bill will stop children of millions of illegal aliens from legal theft of citizenship, thus discouraging the never ending stream of illegal aliens arriving here. These people disrespect our laws and come here to pilfer citizen’s rights. It can be guaranteed that if you read about passing these two laws, our government could save hundreds of billions of dollars each year, which would certainly help to relieve the pressure on the amount of money being spent on entitlements on foreign nationals. Don’t listen to the ravings of the open border zealots, who have infiltrated the Obama Administration. In addition ignore what you read in the national press, as they are tainted with the Liberal Progressives, who think America should have an open door policy with no borders. Investigate your States costs and the federal government and then contact your Congressman and those in Congress and stop this invasion for good?

I really could care less who comes here legally, as they have not broken the law and waited patiently for a visa. I just don’t want to financially support them with my taxes, specifically illegal aliens and their extended families. Foreign nationals are so pampered by Congress, not judging illegal entry as bad behavior and even disrespect for our policies once here, deserve punishment for this lawless Turpitude as a class 1 felony. We have our own mess of “freeloaders” who prefer to leech of the rest of us taxpayers, but the U.S government seems to think we should offer even more taxes to support the corrupt United Nations and all the parasites that arrive here with their smuggled children.

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