With enforcement tightened, time for immigration reform
You’ve heard and read the response so many times by now that you can probably recite it yourself. It goes something like this:
“Republicans will consider basic immigration reform only after this administration commits to an ‘enforcement-first’ approach to close the border and enforce our laws.”
But what would this “enforcement-first” approach look like? How would we know that it was being implemented?
Would it look something like this, as described by Roll Call?
“The United States spent nearly $18 billion on immigration enforcement in fiscal 2012, about 24 percent more than it spent collectively on the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Secret Service and all other criminal law enforcement agencies, according to the 182-page report by the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank.
“From the standpoint of resource allocations, case volumes and enforcement actions … immigration enforcement can be seen to rank as the federal government’s highest criminal law enforcement priority,” the study says.
In 1986, by contrast, when Congress passed the last sweeping overhaul of immigration laws, immigration enforcement amounted to less than 20 percent of the budget for criminal law enforcement agencies, said Doris Meissner, a co-author of the report and a former immigration commissioner under President Bill Clinton.
Again, we spend considerably more on enforcement of immigration laws than we spend on the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and DEA combined.
Other numbers in the report (available here) and elsewhere confirm what the raw spending data suggest:
– Five years ago, 291,000 illegal immigrants were deported, and 35 percent of them had criminal records. In 2012, the number of deportations rose to a record 410,000, more than half of whom had criminal records. In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.
– According to the report, “Border Patrol staffing, technology, and infrastructure have reached historic highs, while levels of apprehensions have fallen to historic lows.” The low level of apprehensions is a sign of progress, indicating that fewer and fewer people are even trying to immigrate illegally. In fact, today “there is no net new illegal immigration from Mexico for the first time in 40 years.”
– The rapid decline in illegal border crossings means that “an increasing share of the unauthorized population is likely to be comprised of those who have been admitted properly through ports of entry and overstay their visas. As a result, the relative share of the unauthorized population from countries other than Mexico and Central America will likely increase.”
According to the report, the additional resources, commitment and focus have produced “an historic transformation of immigration enforcement and the emergence of a complex, modernized, cross-governmental immigration enforcement system that projects beyond the nation’s borders and and at the same time reaches into local jails and courtrooms across the United States to generate an unparalleled degree of enforcement activity. The stem’s six pillars have been resourced at unprecedented levels and a panoply of enforcement mandates and programs have been implemented that demonstrate the federal government’s ability and will to enforce the nation’s immigration laws.”
Personally, I think a successful “enforcement-first” policy would look very much like the program outlined above. With that condition having been met — although more progress can and should continue to be made — it’s now time to move forward on other elements of basic immigration reform.
– Jay Bookman
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Common Sense isn't very Common
January 8th, 2013
11:49 am
Kam
Bitch about it, yes.
Appropriate the $, no.
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Yep, so many people need the lawn crews to count
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
11:50 am
and
evidently want to cherrypick the educated immigrants to
take jobs from our educated natives. So much for the
grandchildren.
Exactly frog.
Bobo
January 8th, 2013
11:51 am
Or maybe we freeze out Mexico with a 100% trade embargo, cut off all foreign aid and start deporting all illegal immigrants to a colony in Northern Alaska where they can live right here in the USA. How ridiculous that American taxpayers should expect the government to spend our tax dollars on US citizens and not immigrants. How outrageous that we should try to enforce our laws. Being nice doesn’t work.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 8th, 2013
11:51 am
“Lucia (my mother) didn’t speak much English and certainly couldn’t read any of it. She insisted we spoke English outside the house.”
sounds just like my grandma – I think it’s far more important what they DO when they’re here – are they law-abiding? are they improving the country by raising good families? then, hell, I don’t care WHAT they speak! should they speak the native language, yes – but making it a deportable offense? oh hells no.
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
11:52 am
GT:
“You are a disgrace, you need to clean yourself up or get out of the way so this country can have an adult conversation with two adult involved.”
I always bring the best out in people.
It’s one of my charms.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
11:52 am
Common: My lawn crew is American. Two brothers actually. I can even pay them via paypal which works great for both of us. he comes when he thinks it’s time does my stuff and I don’t have to be there.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
11:52 am
Erwin’s cat, I bet your grandmother entered this country legally and did what was legal to gain her citizenship plus she learned the English language. Good for her! That’s the difference!
What about those who enter the county legally and never leave? There’s 50,000 Irish in the Boston area. Georgia/Florida has a sizeable Brazilian population. You do realize that our entire undocumented population did not walk over the southern border, right?
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Personally I think no one wants to really address the issue
Personally, I agree with you. Those jackasses in DC don’t want to do anything. They have more to gain by simply b*tching about things without actually doing anything to make our system work.
barking frog
January 8th, 2013
11:52 am
The only people who cannot enter the US without a passport is a
US Citizen. Problem solved.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 8th, 2013
11:54 am
“You do realize that our entire undocumented population did not walk over the southern border, right?”
that’s what I keep trying to tell them … evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
11:54 am
Or maybe we freeze out Mexico with a 100% trade embargo
Not gonna happen when you have “American” companies, such as Hershey, closing shop here and setting up in Mexico. Think about that the next time you buy some chocolate.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 8th, 2013
11:55 am
“The only people who cannot enter the US without a passport is a US Citizen.”
funny – every time I go through border control, I have to show mine … (I do it for the stamps!)
Jack ®
January 8th, 2013
11:56 am
Legalize all the illegals and adopt an open-door policy. That’d make a lot of people happy: especially the righteous.
guy
January 8th, 2013
11:56 am
Erwin’s cat, Good for your grandmother in that it was her house and you did as she said.In this country, laws no longer matter!
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 8th, 2013
11:58 am
Fred
My crew was also (even in Gwinnett LOL)
When Gwinnett was putting subdivisions everywhere you couldn’t drive past them without noting that the MAJORITY of workers were hispanic.
Many of my daughters friends lost their jobs in the construction industry because the wouldn’t work for below minimum wage (on 1099’s)
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
11:58 am
The only people who cannot enter the US without a passport is a
US Citizen. Problem solved.
You’d hate current law then. As it is now, a US citizen has to have a passport to enter the US. First Nation members only have to show their tribal cards. Permanent Residents can enter with only their green cards.
Aquagirl
January 8th, 2013
11:59 am
evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales
White people aren’t illegals by definition. Duh! ‘Merica was founded by white people who populated the empty continent.
On the other hand Brown = let’s see those papers, boy.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
11:59 am
guy
January 8th, 2013
11:56 am
Erwin’s cat, Good for your grandmother in that it was her house and you did as she said.In this country, laws no longer matter!
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Actually the only laws that matter are the ones the FOXBOTS say matter………
barking frog
January 8th, 2013
12:01 pm
Brosephus, UsinUK
Yes, I was saying that the immigration problem no longer exists
since immigration reform has made it that US citizens must have
a passport to enter the US while others do not.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
12:03 pm
When Gwinnett was putting subdivisions everywhere you couldn’t drive past them without noting that the MAJORITY of workers were hispanic.
Same thing in Cobb, Henry, Cherokee, Hall etc.
The builders and developers were the ones who gained the most on illegal labor. Until we make the property owner responsible as well as the subs that hire them, there will be no meaningful reforms in the construction biz.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:03 pm
Common: Your daughters friends must have worked for seriously low end ‘companies.” In construction, “aliens” earn much more than Americans because they usually work twice as hard and for longer hours. I was never ’smart’ enough to figure out how to NOT give someone a 1099. If I didn’t, then I got to pay the taxes on that money……….
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:04 pm
KAM; How big of a rotor tiller do you have? I want to turn my back yard into a big garden this year and mine is about 12-18 inches wide with t three horse motor…….
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:05 pm
“With that condition having been met — although more progress can and should continue to be made — it’s now time to move forward on other elements of basic immigration reform.”
There clearly appears to have been a considerable improvement in enforcement overall (discounting the exceptions the Obama administration has made in that effort the past several years). I see you did not make mention of a possibly telling criticism of the report cited in the article:
“One prominent conservative voice on immigration, Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies, on Monday criticized the report’s methodology, saying that it lumped money spent on customs enforcement together with money spent on immigration enforcement without distinguishing between the two.
The nearly $18 billion cited by the report includes funding for “things such as screening cargo, checking the duty-free purchases you made abroad, and so on,” Krikorian wrote in a blog post. “It’s not so much for law enforcement in the G-man sense as it is management of the daily business of government, like the Post Office or highway maintenance.”
In any case, I guess it will be interesting to see what are the “other elements of basic immigration reform”. I don’t think many people want a repeat of 1986 – near blanket amnesty for millions who entered our country illegally and in spite of those who did so legally.
Aquagirl
January 8th, 2013
12:06 pm
KAM; How big of a rotor tiller do you have?
How forward…. sheesh, get a room already.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:07 pm
LOL AG. How big is YOUR rotor tiller?
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 8th, 2013
12:08 pm
Fred
In the construction industry (hiring undocumented aliens) you can issue a 1099 with an incorrect SS# and say you had no clue as to the identity or address of the worker.
His SS# checked out, he had matching ID etc.
The business is off the hook according to existing rules.
And no they did work for FORMERLY good companies that decided they wanted to cash in on the building boom.
barking frog
January 8th, 2013
12:09 pm
Fred ™
I was never ’smart’ enough to figure out how to NOT give someone a 1099. If I didn’t, then I got to pay the taxes on that money……….
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I have been in business for 50 years and 1099’s have always been required,
though often ignored to vendors, but when Obamacare reiterated this requirement
Republicans went squirrely about it.
indigo
January 8th, 2013
12:10 pm
Brosephus, USinUK, Aquagirl
I’m getting a strong feeling that you really don’t mind large numbers of illegals comming here.
If so, rather than insult my intelligence and the competence of our Military, just say it’s ok for all these illegals to be here.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:11 pm
Common: If I ever issued a SS number to someone and that number was bogus, the Department of Labor would contact me. I had it happen. When I confronted one guy he “went home” to go get his card and I never saw him again. Other’s brought me real numbers.
guy
January 8th, 2013
12:12 pm
Fred, just don’t let the FOXBOTS take my free scooter,healthcare,and monthly welfare check. To heck with everyone else, just let me get my freebies. I am a true Patriot!!!!!
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:13 pm
barking frog: I have been in business for 50 years and 1099’s have always been required
I didn’t know you were that old. No WONDER you are so smart and post such wisdom as you do……… experience.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 8th, 2013
12:13 pm
Fred
The numbers aren’t actually bogus. They can be bought off the internet. That’s why I think the numbers should be checked to see if they are in use elsewhere
Simple Truths
January 8th, 2013
12:13 pm
Paul @ 11:30: Yes. I think the military budget has to be on the table when cutting is discussed. You can’t protect anything, especially the big line items.
FarTrain
January 8th, 2013
12:14 pm
Just heard good news. Illinois is close to giving illegal immigrants driver’s license. Made me mad at first then realized there is a positive side to this. Maybe they will ALL go to Illinois, or at least most of them, so they can get the DL’s. That would serve BO’s home state well as they deserve this influx. Then let them see what is happening in CA. Let them all end up there then we can just build a fence all the way around Illinois. (Here’s hoping most of them end up in Chicago, wouldn’t that be true justice?)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
12:14 pm
Fred
18″ and a 6hp engine.
Obamatron
January 8th, 2013
12:15 pm
“White people aren’t illegals by definition.”
Correct. They are only racist, homophobic neo-nazis who should be deported themselves.
Cherokee
January 8th, 2013
12:16 pm
Hey Brocephus, just want to thank you for your comments – nice to have someone who can actually share relevant information on a topic. I’ve learned some things from you today.
GT
January 8th, 2013
12:16 pm
In reality we make our own hell. Michael Douglas played the drug czar in the movie Traffic. In the movie his daughter is hooked on drugs and falls into the illegal world of the war on drugs. In his own life Douglas’s son Dylan is serving time for drug related crimes.
Our men Newt like Cheney and so many mean spirited people have siblings and children who declare they are gay, in the echo of their brother and father’s red meated, fire breathing speeches of them against us. That mob you run with may some day hang your family, and in the meanwhile will make your life their life, their sins, your sins.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 8th, 2013
12:16 pm
Kam
18″ and a 6hp engine
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No wonder why you get such interesting visitors
Obamatron
January 8th, 2013
12:17 pm
“Just heard good news. Illinois is close to giving illegal immigrants driver’s license.”
That is good news. Now we just need to make it legal for them to vote as well. America is now part of a global village and we should adjust accordingly.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:18 pm
Common: I’ve been saying for years that “illegal immigrants” is one of the biggest Gov’t scams for EXACTLY the thing you state. If the Dept. of Labor can tell me within 2 weeks that I have an employee with a bogus SS number, they can sure as hell tell that “Pedro Martinez” is working in 200 different cities across 46 States EVERY DAY. But why would they want to stop that?
Look at what it funds. They are taking payroll taxes from folks who can NEVER collect Social Security. They are taking income taxes from folks who can NEVER filer a return to “get some back.” they are paying and paying and paying and getting nothing for it.
That’s why I laugh at all the right wing idiots talking about “them dam messikin” getting all them benefits. It’s a crock of crap propagated by talk radio idiots and FOXBOTS and believed by idiots. Very few “messikins” make less than minimum wage.
Cherokee
January 8th, 2013
12:19 pm
If they’re going to be out there driving anyway, FarTrain, isn’t it better that they have at least some screening by the state to make sure they’re qualified to drive?
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:20 pm
guy
January 8th, 2013
12:12 pm
Fred, just don’t let the FOXBOTS take my free scooter,healthcare,and monthly welfare check. To heck with everyone else, just let me get my freebies. I am a true Patriot!!!!!
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Don’t forget your Obamaphone and prom dress bought with your food stamps. Or your Caddy payments made with your foodstamps……..
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:22 pm
Towncrier — “I have just sent an e-mail off to Lindgren and suspect that he will (given a response) just tell me to search the microfilm at a major university. I have looked at what is available at Woodruff Library and, if permitted, I should be able to validate some or most of his citations there. I am not promising to do this today, but I plan to do it and will get back to you.”
Thank you. I sincerely appreciate your efforts in this regard.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:22 pm
FarTrain
January 8th, 2013
12:14 pm
Just heard good news. Illinois is close to giving illegal immigrants driver’s license. Made me mad at first then realized there is a positive side to this.
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Yeah, there IS a positive side to this all though you lack the basic intelligence to see what it is. With a drivers license they can buy INSURANCE so that when they hit your car they can now have it fixed instead of running away leaving you holding the bag.
But Rush never told you that did he?
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:23 pm
frog
It still exists. In many countries, it’s not very hard to get a visa to travel to the US. Some countries don’t even require visas to come here. Once here, what enforcement is there to ensure a timely departure?
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:24 pm
GT
January 8th, 2013
12:16 pm
In reality we make our own hell. Michael Douglas played the drug czar in the movie Traffic. In the movie his daughter is hooked on drugs and falls into the illegal world of the war on drugs. In his own life Douglas’s son Dylan is serving time for drug related crimes.
Our men Newt like Cheney and so many mean spirited people have siblings and children who declare they are gay, in the echo of their brother and father’s red meated, fire breathing speeches of them against us. That mob you run with may some day hang your family, and in the meanwhile will make your life their life, their sins, your sins.
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If what you say is true I better drown my daughter before she grows up and marrys a damn New York City, Southern Baptist, Frenchman and then goes to law school……………
Obamatron
January 8th, 2013
12:25 pm
“If they’re going to be out there driving anyway, FarTrain, isn’t it better that they have at least some screening by the state to make sure they’re qualified to drive?”
Absolutely. And if they are going to drink and drive, we should also provide free taxi services. And if they are going to perpetrate gun violence, we should get them to trade their weapons down to .22 revolvers. And if they are going to steal, we should provide them with free goods. All great suggestions.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:26 pm
USinUK — “that’s what I keep trying to tell them … evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales”
Time to trot this out again.
My wife is Hispanic. Born here, raised here, brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin, speaks English without an accent (okay, a California accent, dude).
Co-worker’s wife is blonde and blue-eyed. Moved here in her early 20s and has a lovely English accent. Pip pip, cheerio and all that with a cup of tea, mate.
Guess which one gets ‘randomly selected’ for extra screening at the airport?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:26 pm
USinUK — “that’s what I keep trying to tell them … evidently the only illegals are brown and like tamales”
Time to trot this out again.
My wife is Hispanic. Born here, raised here, brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin, speaks English without an accent (okay, a California accent, dude).
Co-worker’s wife is blonde and blue-eyed. Moved here in her early 20s and has a lovely English accent. Pip pip, cheerio and all that with a cup of tea, mate.
Guess which one gets ‘randomly selected’ for extra screening at the airport?
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:26 pm
Brocephus: I know several Canadians who have over stayed their visas…….. for decades……
Immigration Enforcement Budget Dwarfs Other Federal Law Agencies – Atlanta Black Star
January 8th, 2013
12:26 pm
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Thomas Heyward Jr
January 8th, 2013
12:28 pm
“When Ye shall no longer be able to walk upon the earth without being impeded by uni-brow sub-intellect auto-maton government workers dressed within tact-less costumes ………..then Ye shall surely know………as long as the west-wind blows the honeysuckle rose before the killing frost………..that your society is doomed.”
Cheif Jumping Turtle, Seminole Tribe, Displaced 1972
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 8th, 2013
12:28 pm
“I’m getting a strong feeling that you really don’t mind large numbers of illegals comming here.
If so, rather than insult my intelligence and the competence of our Military, just say it’s ok for all these illegals to be here.”
yay!
another member of the binary brigade!!!
Aquagirl
January 8th, 2013
12:30 pm
If so, rather than insult my intelligence and the competence of our Military, just say it’s ok for all these illegals to be here.
Saying we shouldn’t use the military for border control is completely separate from other issues. I don’t think the military is incompetent, I served in the military myself. (Although there were individuals who couldn’t find their butts with both hand and a flashlight.)
Military training does not equate to border patrol training, just because both groups usually carry weapons does not mean you can exchange the two. And while your confidence in the Armed Forces is flattering, it’s still a misuse of those people who sign up. If they wanted to be guarding the border they would get a job with the appropriate agency.
They don’t enlist so they can be separated from their family and shipped to the Mexican or Canadian border because we don’t feel like hiring border patrol agents.
Our military isn’t trained for this job any more than the Border Patrol is trained to go fight in Afghanistan. I notice no one suggests that scenario, why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
12:32 pm
” With a drivers license they can buy INSURANCE… ”
Bwaahahahahahahaha
Stop it, Freddie, you’re killin’ me!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:35 pm
Aquagirl — “why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”
This right here is why I love me some Aquagirl.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:35 pm
indigo: I’m getting a strong feeling that you really don’t mind large numbers of illegals comming here.
If you don’t know what I do for a living, then forgive me for stating this. However, if you do know what I do for a living, don’t ever, ever insult me in such a manner again if you want me to address anything you say.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:35 pm
Aquagirl — “why they think a 19 year old tank crewmember should be checking passports is not clear. Besides “he’s got a uniform and a gun, and I think the military can do anything kind of like Batman or Superman.”
This right here is why I love me some Aquagirl.
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:35 pm
“And while your confidence in the Armed Forces is flattering, it’s still a misuse of those people who sign up. If they wanted to be guarding the border they would get a job with the appropriate agency.”
That’s right. They really want to go to Iraq or some other war zone and get “blowed up real good” (as Candy used to say) by an IED. It is SO much more exciting and rewarding.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:35 pm
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
12:32 pm
” With a drivers license they can buy INSURANCE… ”
Bwaahahahahahahaha
Stop it, Freddie, you’re killin’ me!
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Yeah I know. When Americans like YOU won’t buy insurance why would they……..
BTW: ESPN has a nice write up on your “namesake.” If you click answer me a question: Is that his tongue hanging out of is his chin deformed?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/features/heisman/_/year/1942/set/2
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:36 pm
BBL
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:37 pm
The double-posting gremlin does vex me.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:37 pm
Cherokee @ 12:16
I’m an immigration officer. This stuff is what I deal with on a daily basis.
indigo
January 8th, 2013
12:38 pm
Aquagirl – “our Military isn’t trained for this job”
Do you know what a U2 is?
Do you know how sensitive spy satellites are?
Do you know what “spookies” are?
Apparently not.
So, FYI, these are just some of our military platforms that see just about everything. I assure you they could guard our borders and instantly inform ground forces if they were being breached.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:39 pm
Towncrier — “That’s right. They really want to go to Iraq or some other war zone and get “blowed up real good” (as Candy used to say) by an IED. It is SO much more exciting and rewarding.”
Being a veteran myself, I don’t think most servicemen/servicewomen *want* to go to war at all.
And to Aquagirl’s point, most military servicemembers — even among groundpounders like soldiers and Marines — aren’t trained for the job of border surveillance and the capture and detention of border-jumpers.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
12:42 pm
indigo — “So, FYI, these are just some of our military platforms that see just about everything. I assure you they could guard our borders and instantly inform ground forces if they were being breached.”
F*Y*I, U2s, spysats and “spookies” are overkill for a surveillance job that could easily be handled with aerostats and loitering drones/light aircraft. And with military-grade ground-surveillance radar, which I’m sure is already used on the border.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
12:43 pm
Do you know what a U2 is?
A rock and roll band from Ireland.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:43 pm
Fred: I know several Canadians who have over stayed their visas…….. for decades……
Canadians are tricky to deal with and catch. They’re mostly exempt from the US-VISIT program, so they avoid the primary “overstay” indicator when they come to the country. They’re treated almost like US citizens, so they can sometimes fall through the cracks that others get caught in. I’ve caught a few, but it took a great deal of research to get the information necessary to catch them in their deceit.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:43 pm
Unless martial law is declared, the military is not to be used in the duties that indigo thinks they should be. but rather than read teh constitution and figure that out he will continue to spew nonsense.
But for the rest of you who are willing to open your minds and learn……….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Galactus93
January 8th, 2013
12:44 pm
We have over 12 million illegal aliens still living in the United States. Until all illegal aliens have been deported and our border secured we will continue to have Enforcement problems. We need to make E-Verify both Mandatory and Retro-Active so that all the companies that currently have illegal aliens employed will fire them and hire American citizens. We could create millions of jobs and encourage millions of illegal aliens to back back home.
indigo
January 8th, 2013
12:44 pm
USinUK – “anothe member of the binary brigade”
I know you think that’s a hip adult insult.
Actually, it’s what I’d expect from a Christian Academy 10th grader.
Al Galore
January 8th, 2013
12:44 pm
Why not obey the laws that we have now!
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:45 pm
Hey Brocephus; I was borned in Japan and brought over when I was 18 month’s. They haven’t “cotched” me yet.
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
12:45 pm
Not hanging out — inside of mouth, Freddie…
Good write-up.
indigo
January 8th, 2013
12:46 pm
Brosephus – 12:35
I can only go by what you post here.
And, it certainly seems you have an agenda when it comes to illegal immigration that is different from what many of the rest of us have.
Fred ™
January 8th, 2013
12:47 pm
indigo
January 8th, 2013
12:44 pm
USinUK – “anothe member of the binary brigade”
I know you think that’s a hip adult insult.
Actually, it’s what I’d expect from a Christian Academy 10th grader.
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And when all logic and thought fails, go for the Christian bashing. Sweet. I doubt USinUK will mind too much as she’s a heathen like you lol.
But it makes you feel really powerful and important. hey I know, go write Jesus on some paper and then go pee on it. THAT will show him……
Bob & Doug McKenzie
January 8th, 2013
12:49 pm
I’ve caught a few, but it took a great deal of research to get the information necessary to catch them in their deceit.
Take off, eh?
Hoser.
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:49 pm
Back for a second.
JHM. I got a four paragraph response from Lindgren (along with his phone number) just now. I did NOT expect that. I think it would be improper for me to publish it here, but he apologized for not having any copies of the cited articles and suggested exactly what resources I could use to validate them. He said some other interesting things which I might share with you personally on the promise it remain confidential. I am not sure he would mind me publishing his e-mail response, but I don’t want to presume he wouldn’t (I am sure you understand).
Cool!
getalife
January 8th, 2013
12:50 pm
This is another issue that will divide and conquer.
cons will lose again.
Erwin's cat
January 8th, 2013
12:53 pm
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Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:54 pm
And, it certainly seems you have an agenda when it comes to illegal immigration that is different from what many of the rest of us have.
From your posting here, you don’t seem to have the ability to grasp basic logic. What you “seem” or “think” doesn’t appear to have any attachment to reality. However, you are free to imagine whatever it is you choose to do so. Just leave me out of your little fantasy world.
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:55 pm
“Being a veteran myself, I don’t think most servicemen/servicewomen *want* to go to war at all.”
I know. I was just exaggerating (in a satirical way) in the way she often does. I don’t know how many people enlist with the thought of being “lifers”, but I would guess it is not the majority. Military service for many, I suspect, is merely a pathway to better things (vocational training, college education, job experience and so on). In that respect, I don’t have a problem with, say, the National Guard, being trained to watch the border – as it sure beats digging holes and then filling them in.
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
12:56 pm
Okay. Out again.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
12:58 pm
Fred @ 12:45
Remember that the next time we get together…
Cherokee
January 8th, 2013
12:59 pm
Brocephus – thanks – like I say, so much of what pops up here is nonsense – it’s nice to have someone who knows what they’re talking about.
Obamatron, at the risk of encouraging you – who said anything about ‘free’?
Me and my wife and two daughters are out there driving – I’d feel much better knowing that more of the other drivers have been approved for a license, and as Fred says, have insurance.
Thomas Heyward Jr
January 8th, 2013
12:59 pm
FYI……AND as a public announcement.
.
When dealing with your local Federale……….because of the “no inflation” we are experiencing………..it will now be TWO bottles of Hennesy ..or Grey goose…….to facilitate your immigration and/or contraband process.
Your coorperation is appreciated.
..
Forward Chicago/Detroit…………and
Carry on/
Mick
January 8th, 2013
1:01 pm
fred
Thanks for the info on sinkwich, love stuff like that…
Aquagirl
January 8th, 2013
1:05 pm
In that respect, I don’t have a problem with, say, the National Guard, being trained to watch the border – as it sure beats digging holes and then filling them in.
If they’re trained to watch the border, why not call them “Border Patrol?” Are they going to do this one weekend a month? What about the other 28 days of the month? Or do you think we should call them up indefinitely away from their families, jobs, and businesses?
As a bonus we could avoid using the military to enforce civilian law. As someone else pointed out, that’s not a good thing. It’s also illegal, and WHUT PART OF EYE-LEGAL DON’T U UNNERSTAND?
There is a real danger if you don’t train to do your actual military job. That takes time and money, and we need to decide if they will be trained for military jobs or border patrol jobs. Again, despite all the admiration for the military, they aren’t like swiss army knives that can pull out the border patrol attachment on demand.
Let’s leave such demands to the ignorant who don’t understand the military. They’re just silly noisemakers.
Bob & Doug McKenzie
January 8th, 2013
1:10 pm
Towncrier — “he apologized for not having any copies of the cited articles and suggested exactly what resources I could use to validate them.”
I’m rather troubled that he didn’t even retain copies of his supporting evidence (I’ve got copies of papers and notes from the time I earned my first degree back in the early 80s), especially for something as contentious a topic as this. That said, if he recalls *how* he found those items and can point you in the right directions, that’s certainly a point in his favor and I sincerely hope you will follow up on them.
“He said some other interesting things which I might share with you personally on the promise it remain confidential. I am not sure he would mind me publishing his e-mail response, but I don’t want to presume he wouldn’t (I am sure you understand).”
I do understand. I believe that e-mail conversations are not for public consumption or for sharing unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
1:14 pm
Cherokee
No problem. If you have an immigration related question, feel free to ask me at any time. I have no problem with passing on information that I’m allowed to give out.
guy
January 8th, 2013
1:14 pm
Fred, Everyone should listen to you because everyone else is dumb,stupid,or wrong. You seem to be the smartest one on these blogs and you are always right. The rest of us are in awe of you and are fortunate to have you to teach us what we need to know. Don’t know what we’d do without your expertise! WOW!!!
mm
January 8th, 2013
1:17 pm
Geez. More stupidity from the mouth breathers on the right.
Bob & Doug McKenzie
January 8th, 2013
1:21 pm
Towncrier — “I don’t know how many people enlist with the thought of being “lifers”, but I would guess it is not the majority.”
That’d be my guess, too. Out of all the people I served with, I’d be surprised if more than ten percent *intended* to do 20+ years, and that includes officers and enlisted. Among junior enlisted, I’d be surprised if more than two percent signed up with that intention.
“Military service for many, I suspect, is merely a pathway to better things (vocational training, college education, job experience and so on).”
I used my military service as a springboard to further higher education; I saved quite a bit of money while in uniform and combined that with jobs and GI Bill benefits for grad school. The GI Bill bennies lasted for another two degrees before petering out.
“In that respect, I don’t have a problem with, say, the National Guard, being trained to watch the border – as it sure beats digging holes and then filling them in.”
Guardsmen and Reservists have the same sorts of MOSs as active-duty servicemembers, though they get called on a lot for disaster relief-type missions. When I left active duty, I transferred to a Reserve unit in Georgia, and they actually called me up at home before my reporting date, trying to talk me into volunteering to go to Miami to assist with Hurrican Andrew relief efforts. I got the distinct impression that they were trying to fob off a really undesirable duty assignment on the new guy, so since it was a volunteer thing, I declined. I ended up spending only a year in that unit; they turned out to be pretty worthless, so I transferred to the Inactive Reserve for the remainder of my service obligation.
Still, there’s not a lot of border specialization or the like in any of the military components. If you have a disaster recovery situation, you send the people/units that can directly relieve the problems. If communications are an issue, send signal units. If clean water is a problem, there are specialized quartermaster detachments that can produce clean water. If food is scarce, transport and supply units can cover that, There are engineer units that can provide power and power distribution, MPs that can augment local law enforcement, medics who can provide basic first aid and emergency care, and plenty of other military occupations as well.
That said, I’m not sure who you’d put on the Mexican border, if it came to that. I’m guessing a combination of infantry, military intel and aviation assets.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 8th, 2013
1:22 pm
Whoops, busted.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
1:23 pm
Fred, Everyone should listen to you because everyone else is dumb,stupid,or wrong.
No, just you.
You seem to be the smartest one on these blogs and you are always right.
Also a good guy to sit and have a beer or three with, too.
The rest of us are in awe of you and are fortunate to have you to teach us what we need to know.
Fred’s a pretty good guy, but awe inspiring? That’s over the top.
Don’t know what we’d do without your expertise! WOW!!!
He’s given me some pretty good advice about a roof leak I was having.
Brosephus™
January 8th, 2013
1:28 pm
JHM
Leave the puppetry arts to the professionals.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
1:34 pm
What kind of immigration reform do THE SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS! favor?
getalife
January 8th, 2013
1:35 pm
Did Jay pick up the tab yet?
guy
January 8th, 2013
1:42 pm
Kamchak’s the man!!!
Erwin's cat
January 8th, 2013
1:45 pm
Did Jay pick up the tab yet?
he’s waiting for you to pay your fair share