With enforcement tightened, time for immigration reform

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You’ve heard and read the response so many times by now that you can probably recite it yourself. It goes something like this:

“Republicans will consider basic immigration reform only after this administration commits to an ‘enforcement-first’ approach to close the border and enforce our laws.”

But what would this “enforcement-first” approach look like? How would we know that it was being implemented?

Would it look something like this, as described by Roll Call?

“The United States spent nearly $18 billion on immigration enforcement in fiscal 2012, about 24 percent more than it spent collectively on the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Secret Service and all other criminal law enforcement agencies, according to the 182-page report by the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank.

“From the standpoint of resource allocations, case volumes and enforcement actions … immigration enforcement can be seen to rank as the federal government’s highest criminal law enforcement priority,” the study says.

In 1986, by contrast, when Congress passed the last sweeping overhaul of immigration laws, immigration enforcement amounted to less than 20 percent of the budget for criminal law enforcement agencies, said Doris Meissner, a co-author of the report and a former immigration commissioner under President Bill Clinton.

Again, we spend considerably more on enforcement of immigration laws than we spend on the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and DEA combined.

Other numbers in the report (available here) and elsewhere confirm what the raw spending data suggest:

– Five years ago, 291,000 illegal immigrants were deported, and 35 percent of them had criminal records. In 2012, the number of deportations rose to a record 410,000, more than half of whom had criminal records. In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.

– According to the report, “Border Patrol staffing, technology, and infrastructure have reached historic highs, while levels of apprehensions have fallen to historic lows.” The low level of apprehensions is a sign of progress, indicating that fewer and fewer people are even trying to immigrate illegally. In fact, today “there is no net new illegal immigration from Mexico for the first time in 40 years.”

– The rapid decline in illegal border crossings means that “an increasing share of the unauthorized population is likely to be comprised of those who have been admitted properly through ports of entry and overstay their visas. As a result, the relative share of the unauthorized population from countries other than Mexico and Central America will likely increase.”

According to the report, the additional resources, commitment and focus have produced “an historic transformation of immigration enforcement and the emergence of a complex, modernized, cross-governmental immigration enforcement system that projects beyond the nation’s borders and and at the same time reaches into local jails and courtrooms across the United States to generate an unparalleled degree of enforcement activity. The stem’s six pillars have been resourced at unprecedented levels and a panoply of enforcement mandates and programs have been implemented that demonstrate the federal government’s ability and will to enforce the nation’s immigration laws.”

Personally, I think a successful “enforcement-first” policy would look very much like the program outlined above. With that condition having been met — although more progress can and should continue to be made — it’s now time to move forward on other elements of basic immigration reform.

– Jay Bookman

322 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:29 am

Oh this will be fun!

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:30 am

Same story was on NPR this morning

Good luck on immigration reform. Until the deficit / debt crises go away, there won’t be oxygen available for immigration reform.

So unless Obama wants to solve the deficits, there won’t be immigration reform.

Erwin's cat

January 8th, 2013
9:32 am

Erwin's cat

January 8th, 2013
9:32 am

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:34 am

Jm

Nope, there’s plenty of oxygen left to get the business of government done.

Sorry YOU can’t multi-task, but most of us can do a lot more than walk and chew gum at the same time.

(hint: it’s right step forward, lower jaw, left step forward, raise jaw – repeat)

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:34 am

As discussed on NPR, the numbers are a little inflated because they didn’t cut out the cost of the other duties that Customs and ICE perform. That said, the general picture is mostly accurate.

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:36 am

td

January 8th, 2013
9:36 am

“– Five years ago, 291,000 illegal immigrants were deported, and 35 percent of them had criminal records. In 2012, the number of deportations rose to a record 410,000, more than half of whom had criminal records. In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.”

And during that same time period how many illegals came into the country?

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book. Enforce the laws and close the boarders and we can then talk about reform. BTW: Amnesty is not reform.

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:37 am

“The low level of apprehensions is a sign of progress, indicating that fewer and fewer people are even trying to immigrate illegally.”

False logic. The low level of illegal immigration is a direct result of the lackluster job growth and has little or nothing to do with enforcement success.

Soothsayer

January 8th, 2013
9:38 am

“there is no net new illegal immigration from Mexico for the first time in 40 years.”

Yeah, cause all the jobs are gone. The unemployment rate in Mexico is far lower than the United States.

arnold

January 8th, 2013
9:38 am

Maybe the Republican Party can donate enough cash so the immigrants can self deport.

Aquagirl

January 8th, 2013
9:39 am

Where is the magically impervious border fence? Everyone knows that’s what we need, and until it’s built the screechers will consider this stuff as window dressing.

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:39 am

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:37 am

“The low level of apprehensions is a sign of progress, indicating that fewer and fewer people are even trying to immigrate illegally.”

False logic. The low level of illegal immigration is a direct result of the lackluster job growth and has little or nothing to do with enforcement success.
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And you can prove that how?

Mick

January 8th, 2013
9:40 am

I’d rather obama put his capital towards social security and making that entitlement more solvent…

Soothsayer

January 8th, 2013
9:41 am

I think the Republican/George Bush immigration plan is working flawlessly. Crash the economy and those danged illegals won’t be coming here! Not to mention shipping all of our jobs to Mexico.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 8th, 2013
9:43 am

“Again, we spend considerably more on enforcement of immigration laws than we spend on the FBI, ATF, Secret Service and DEA combined.”

But wait, I thought the Kenyan communist black guy surely wanted to just throw open the gates and let the hordes flood in.

You mean, he was actually a more cruel enforcer of immigration laws than George W. Bush?

Jay

January 8th, 2013
9:44 am

There’s no question that the economy has played a role in discouraging immigration.

There is also no question that there’s still a lot more opportunity here than there, meaning Mexico.

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:44 am

GG

My argument is far more sound than the MPI’s

First, correlation. Second, how often does the threat of capital punishment stop a murder? People committing crimes rarely if ever consider the consequences. They always assume they’ll be one of the ones to get away with it.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
9:45 am

JAY

I’m finding that the total budget for CIA, FBI et al was over 80 billion…what am I missing?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
9:45 am

Frankly, I still want to see more enforcement on the EMPLOYERS.

stiffer penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants – jail time and steep fines.

you want to stop the flow of illegal immigration? go to the source.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 8th, 2013
9:46 am

In fact, today “there is no net new illegal immigration from Mexico for the first time in 40 years.”

JUMP for JOY it’s a beautiful day!!!!

/a-hem

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:47 am

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:44 am

GG

My argument is far more sound than the MPI’s

First, correlation. Second, how often does the threat of capital punishment stop a murder? People committing crimes rarely if ever consider the consequences. They always assume they’ll be one of the ones to get away with it.
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I asked for proof, I got piffle.

retiredds

January 8th, 2013
9:47 am

But, Jay, you forget. If immigration reform really happens it will be one less item that the R’s will have to gin up their base. They don’t want anything to happen on this issue until after the 2016 election.

Aquagirl

January 8th, 2013
9:48 am

what am I missing?

The obvious fact that the CIA isn’t a domestic law enforcement agency.

The Truth

January 8th, 2013
9:48 am

td

January 8th, 2013
9:36 am
“– Five years ago, 291,000 illegal immigrants were deported, and 35 percent of them had criminal records. In 2012, the number of deportations rose to a record 410,000, more than half of whom had criminal records. In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.”

And during that same time period how many illegals came into the country?

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book. Enforce the laws and close the boarders and we can then talk about reform. BTW: Amnesty is not reform.

With all the criticizm of Obama regarding immigration and deportation of illegals, he has done BY FAR a better job of deporting illegal aliens than the joke of a President George Bush.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
9:49 am

Mick

January 8th, 2013
9:02 am

I say amnesty offered to all who sign up for SS#.

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
9:49 am

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book. Enforce the laws and close the boarders and we can then talk about reform.

Obama doesn’t have to lift a finger to enforce the laws on the books when he has people like me to do it for him. I got Obama’s back just as I had Bush’s back when it comes to enforcing immigration laws. If you think more needs to be done, then suit up yourself and head on down to the Southern Border and not boarder. We’re not housing people…

Welcome to the Occupation

January 8th, 2013
9:50 am

an historic transformation of immigration enforcement and the emergence of a complex, modernized, cross-governmental immigration enforcement system that projects beyond the nation’s borders and and at the same time reaches into local jails and courtrooms across the United States to generate an unparalleled degree of enforcement activity

Sure sounds like a pinko’s in charge to me.

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:50 am

Mexico Unemployment: 5.1%
US Unemployment: 7.8%

Last 12 Months
Mexico Stockmarket: Up 33%
US S&P 500: Up 14%

GDP Growth
Mexico: 3.5% to 4.5%
US: 1-2%

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-17/mexico-gdp-growth-accelerates-as-u-s-recovery-gathers-pace-1-.html

Why leave Mexico? (other than the drug wars)

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:52 am

The Truth

You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book.

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To be accurate you need to add the word SOME to the above.

Then you need to think about how reasonable and sane it is to prioritize.

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:52 am

“Sure sounds like a pinko’s in charge to me.”

Me too.

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
9:53 am

I say amnesty offered to all who sign up for SS#.

We already have an amnesty program. It’s called “marry a US citizen who will file the paperwork for me” or for USCIS people, it’s called Form I-130.

Granny Godzilla

January 8th, 2013
9:53 am

Jm

Nice stats. They make your hips look smaller.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
9:54 am

“Obama doesn’t have to lift a finger to enforce the laws on the books when he has people like me to do it for him. I got Obama’s back just as I had Bush’s back when it comes to enforcing immigration laws.”

go get ‘em, Bro!!!! (just be nice to us ex-pats in glasses)

Jm

January 8th, 2013
9:54 am

“You can not claim enforcement when by Obama’s own admission he is not enforcing the laws currently on the book.”

It’s good to be the king. You get to pick and choose what laws you care about. Makes me sick.

America is broken (and has been for a while).

Jay

January 8th, 2013
9:55 am

“Frankly, I still want to see more enforcement on the EMPLOYERS.”

OK.

From the report:

“In FY 2008, ICE conducted 503 I-9 audits and debarred one employer from participating in federal contracts. In contrast, since January 2009, ICE has audited more than 8,079 employers and debarred 726 companies and individuals. ICE has announced sanctions against several high-profile targets, including a $1 million settlement with Abercrombie & Fitch and the termination of hundreds of workers from Chipotle restaurants….

According to (Congressional Research Service), the number of final orders assessing civil monetary penalties through worksite enforcement operations increased significantly from 18 in FY 2008 to 237 in FY 2010, as did the total amounts of administrative fines collected and criminal fines imposed. Thus, the policy shift has shown concrete results in targeting employers rather than unauthorized workers, for their hiring practices, which was the goal of the sanctions provisions of IRCA.”

weetamoe

January 8th, 2013
9:55 am

I agree. The US should immediately increase opportunities for legal immigration, encouraging and welcoming bright, industrious, well educated people to become citizens, should offer citizenship to families of those whose expertise is needed and will benefit the country, and should offer citizenship to those international students who excel in our universities.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 8th, 2013
9:56 am

USinUK — “Frankly, I still want to see more enforcement on the EMPLOYERS.

stiffer penalties for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants – jail time and steep fines.

you want to stop the flow of illegal immigration? go to the source.”

This.

Any sort of stiffer enforcement mechanism has to include heavy penalties for those knowingly — or who should have known that they were — hiring/employing illegals.

Jail time and financial penalties that are a percentage of the previous year’s gross — not flat monetary fines. The only way companies will care about financial penalties is if they’re large enough to make a dent in the bottom line and thereby draw the interest and ire of investors.

e.g. if Hormel gets caught using illegals to can and package Spam, then slam Hormel for 5% of their previous year’s gross and put a director or two in jail. Investors will notice the hell out of THAT.

alex

January 8th, 2013
9:56 am

@JM, exactly…

kudos to Jay and the non- use of republican “extremist” or anything starting with “meta”
@US in UK, I want YOU to pave your own highway…..

Jay

January 8th, 2013
9:56 am

Stevie Ray, CIA is an intelligence agency, not a law enforcement agency.

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
9:57 am

It’s good to be the king. You get to pick and choose what laws you care about. Makes me sick.

So, why are deportation numbers up under Obama if he’s not enforcing the laws on the books?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 8th, 2013
9:58 am

Well, I sure hope this immigration reform don’t cause more Mexicans to move here to take the job of God-fearing rednecks. More of us would be employed if all those cheap laborers wasn’t around for employers to scarf up. Anyhow, a good redneck can doing anything a Mexican can do, so there’s no reason not to hire us.

I would write more but it’s time for my 5th break of the morning and I don’t want to miss out. Also, I got to get enough beer stocked so I can call in sick tomorrow and take little Nathan Zell George up to the mountains.

Have a good Tuesday everybody and I guess this immigration push means my idea for us to haul the illegals in our pickups and dump them across the border is deader than 4 a.m. in Ocilla.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 8th, 2013
9:59 am

weetamoe — “I agree. The US should immediately increase opportunities for legal immigration, encouraging and welcoming bright, industrious, well educated people to become citizens, should offer citizenship to families of those whose expertise is needed and will benefit the country, and should offer citizenship to those international students who excel in our universities.”

From what I understand, that’s pretty much how Canada handles immigration. If you’re educated, healthy, skilled and don’t have a criminal history, it’s not hard to get in and get residency and/or citizenship.

Jay

January 8th, 2013
9:59 am

Apparently Mexico has become the new Singapore.

Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
10:00 am

Immigration will rise if the government will increase those free checks so the recipients can afford to hire the illegals to clean their house, yards, and whatever lowly jobs that needs to be done. Those checks needs to be increased and continued by golly.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:00 am

JAY

Got it thanks..Amnesty and even tighter border security…

DannyX

January 8th, 2013
10:01 am

“It’s good to be the king.”

It really is, Republicans should try winning a few elections. As Bush used to say…”I’m the deciderer.”

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:02 am

” Mexico Stockmarket: Up 33%”

okay. am I the only one who chuckles at the though that Grupo Bimbo is one of the companies on the Mexican stock exchange?

Erwin's cat

January 8th, 2013
10:03 am

he has done BY FAR a better job of deporting illegal aliens than the joke of a President George Bush.

speaking of expected rhetoric…accordingly Obama has done everything better than W…even his failures are better than W’s failure…When will be able to judge Obama on his own merit w/o W comparisons?

Paul

January 8th, 2013
10:04 am

Jay

Thought occurs that the amount of money spent is a meaningless argument to Republicans. We spend about as much on defense as the next dozen countries combined but that’s met with a blank stare and a ’so what?” Now, if you want to get their attention on a program because of the tremendous sums being invested, you have to turn to NPR or Sesame Street or Planned Parenthood or foreign aid.

” In other words, enforcement dollars are being used more aggressively and with a tighter focus on those actually causing problems.”

But you do know that by using selective targeting of resources, Pres Obama is breaking the law and violating his oath of office, don’t you?

Yes, it’s time to move on with basic elements of immigration reform. But I am afraid Republicans will follow the same model they did with debt reduction:

1. Complain about the debt.
2. Accuse the other side of ignoring it.
3. Say only Republicans can fix it.
4. When pressed on details, say “the ball’s in the White House’s court. It’s up to them to say what they’d do.”

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
10:04 am

weetamoe

We have the H-Class visas for everything from agriculture workers to healthcare workers. There’s E-Class visas for business starters/investors. You have L-Class visas for people who transfer from overseas offices to US offices within the same country. There are visa classes for victims of traffficking. Iraqi and Afghani translators who helped during those two conflicts have a special visa class. If the proper paperwork is done, a person can enter the US as a tourist and become a resident. What you’re suggesting is already available. People simply don’t read or research to see for themselves.

DannyX

January 8th, 2013
10:04 am

”Mexico Stockmarket: Up 33%”

Greek stock market up 33% in 2012.

We need to be more like Greece and Mexico.

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
10:07 am

There’s two other visa classes that goes towards what weetamoe suggested. P-Class visas are for people in all types of sports, performing arts, and other endeavors. When you’re in the top 10% of your field, then you can qualify for an O-Class visa. At one time, Disney workers had their own visa class because of the people working at Epcot.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:07 am

Jay – 9:55 – huzzah!!! more of that please!! :-)

DannyX

January 8th, 2013
10:07 am

“liberal song – open the borders kum-by-ya; let everyone in, cause they’ll vote for Dems kum-by-ya; please let anyone in kum-by-ya; might have some terrorist and criminals, libs don’t care kum-by-ya;
open the borders kum-by-ya”

That was a song written by Presidente Ronaldo Reagan, the Padre of our country.

Kumbaya!

Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
10:08 am

“Republicans should try winning a few elections”

Nay, nay! I dont want the republicans to win any elections. That would only lengthen the continued hardships for Americans while the republicans fight to keep American afloat. No, let the democrats have it and after we become another Greece or Mexico, then the morons on the east coast, west coast, and up north will abandoned the plantation and seek relief where it can only be done by the conservatives. Yes, you will have to work to eat. I know its tough but it is a life choice.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:08 am

alex – ” @US in UK, I want YOU to pave your own highway…..”

considering that highways are either a state or federal function, I would be HIGHLY put out if they were employing illegal immigrants.

Jay

January 8th, 2013
10:09 am

You cannot post on my blog pretending to be me. Find yourself another nom de blogue or be banned.

bookman parrot

January 8th, 2013
10:11 am

sorry jay, i accidently typed your name; the two posts that are totally reverse of Jay are from bookman parrot.

indigo

January 8th, 2013
10:11 am

None of this “reform” addresses the question as to how did all the horses get out of the barn in the first place.

If our Government was seriously commited to the people and not to their Parties and corporate sponsors, we’ed have a blue ribbom committee determine how we got so many millions of illegals here in the first place.

Then, this committee would see what US laws were violated, name the guilty and appoint special prosecutors to bring them to trial.

In the meanwhile, all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders to stop any further illegals from entering.

Naturally, the chances of any of this actually happening are about the same as winning the powerball lottery.

Hey, is this a great country or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT

January 8th, 2013
10:13 am

Deport the GOP …PENDEJOS!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:13 am

“In the meanwhile, all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders to stop any further illegals from entering.”

ohgoodgod. yes. armed people at the (Mexican, I’m assuming) border. because no one ever defies tourist visas.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 8th, 2013
10:14 am

I guess it might go beyond your scope a bit here, but why no mention here of the very problematic blurring post-9/11 categorizations such as asylum seekers, illegal aliens, criminal aliens, etc.? And how about the shifting rationales related to immigration enforcement as part of a larger strategy of counterterrorism?

You seem to view the immigration issue as an entirely discrete problem, entirely detached from any wider context of security and law enforcement and other governmental efforts like the so-called “war on terror”.

JamVet

January 8th, 2013
10:14 am

…then the morons on the east coast, west coast, and up north…

THAT’s what I’m talking about!

And is Georgia 49th or 50th in national rankings for education these days, willie? Keep up the good work, cons.

You are a non-Republican’s dream come true…

td

January 8th, 2013
10:16 am

We all Obama is doing in his “enforcement” efforts is the same thing Castro did in Cuba with his boat lifts. He is getting rid of the hard core criminals to save money for jailing them and because he knows they will never become democratic voters.

As far as Bush and immigration. he sucked at it and had a huge problem on this issue within his own party.

Aquagirl

January 8th, 2013
10:16 am

all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders

Why do you think it’s appropriate to use the military in this way? They’re not cheap multipurpose labor with guns. If you want more border security, pay the taxes cheapskate.

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
10:17 am

If our Government was seriously commited to the people and not to their Parties and corporate sponsors, we’ed have a blue ribbom committee determine how we got so many millions of illegals here in the first place.

Already been done and recommendations were made. Read the 9/11 Commission Report.

In the meanwhile, all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders to stop any further illegals from entering.

Our borders will never be “sealed”. With our skimpy manufacturing base and the “just-in-time” shipping mode replacing warehousing goods, an open border is essential to the survival of our businesses and commerce altogether. Americans get offended having to show a passport now at the border, and their inspections generally take about 2 minutes. Can you imagine us making a citizen prove themselves each and every time they cross the border? Some people cross the border daily to go to work.

You should also research the “illegals” to see exactly how they enter the US. If you think 11 million people walked across the border from Mexico, you’re extremely way of the mark.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:17 am

” I dont want the republicans to win any elections. That would only lengthen the continued hardships for Americans while the republicans fight to keep American afloat. No, let the democrats have it ”

just as I thought.

the GOP is nothing but a bunch of takers, not makers.

weetamoe

January 8th, 2013
10:17 am

I realize that there is an alphabet list of visas. My point is that the US should prioritize and fast-track visas for those whose intellect and expertise will benefit us. I also think we need a solid, humane, guest-worker program for farming needs, but I know less about the bureaucracy and politics in that area.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:17 am

I’m finding that Clinton did virtually nothing in order to keep voting base, Bush deported 2 million in 8 years and BO is at 1.4 million at 4 years…all things being equal…the trend is favorable since Clinton…BO will become the champion of deportation in short order…

Lets take money and resources from defense budget and step up our program at the border. Seems to me we have much more risk from border crossings than we do from…say Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, etcetera..

Paul

January 8th, 2013
10:18 am

I’m also thinking that for people who will oppose granting a path to citizenship for those who are kids of people who came here illegally:

Let’s get behind that. But let’s start with indepth interviews with, and records examinations of, all families with the following surnames to make sure they have proof their ancestors came here legally: Ryan, Boehner, O’Sullivan, McConnell, Hannity, Sinkwich….

td

January 8th, 2013
10:18 am

Aquagirl

January 8th, 2013
10:16 am

all possible efforts would be made to seal our borders, including bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, at once, and deploying the necessary number of them at the borders

Why do you think it’s appropriate to use the military in this way? They’re not cheap multipurpose labor with guns. If you want more border security, pay the taxes cheapskate.

Yes, we should take the 60 billion a year Obama has increased Food Stamps in four years and use it to put more people on the border.

Regnad Kcin

January 8th, 2013
10:18 am

“We all Obama is doing in his “enforcement” efforts is the same thing Castro did in Cuba with his boat lifts. He is getting rid of the hard core criminals to save money for jailing them and because he knows they will never become democratic voters.”

td – are you asserting that all criminals vote republican? :)

stands for decibels

January 8th, 2013
10:18 am

America is broken (and has been for a while).

if you ever choose to stop whining and, finally, self-deport, I will be happy to drive you to the airport.

JohnnyReb

January 8th, 2013
10:19 am

Why don’t we make Mexico the 51st state, give the place an enema and move on. That’s the only way this issue will ever permanently go away as forgiving those illegal now only invites more. Plus, we could shut down the drugs and killing.

Regnad Kcin

January 8th, 2013
10:20 am

“Why don’t we make Mexico the 51st state”

I’d be okay with it, but I think the citizens of Mexico should get some say, don’t you? Or are you advocating violent overthrow?

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:21 am

Regnad Kcin

January 8th, 2013
10:18 am

If we are truly emptying our prisons and sending those folks back vis a vis Cuba, we need to do a lot more. Dump 100% incarcerated illegals into Mexico or country of origin.

Castro’s tactic was brilliant.

DannyX

January 8th, 2013
10:21 am

“Plus, we could shut down the drugs and killing.”

Lol.

Dtruth

January 8th, 2013
10:21 am

USinUK, You must be highly put out. Are you so naive that you think the state or feds check the status of the employees of the contractors and sub-contractors?

Nookly23

January 8th, 2013
10:22 am

As long as there are 12 million criminals in this country, the job is not done. I understand that we can’t deport all of them, but anyone caught breaking the law, even something as minor ans driving, should be tossed out along with anyone who does not speak English.

Democrats want to create a database of legal gun owners, but do not care who is in this country illegally. Guess in the liberal mind, cherry picking laws to follow is a good thing, but considering Harry has not produced a budget, as required by law, liberals are above the law.

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:23 am

“Shut down drugs and killings..”

Wow. Too bad it is likely that billions are spent in efforts to smuggle drugs from Mexico…That’s a battle we won’t remotely win unless legalization happens..

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:24 am

“I will be happy to drive you to the airport.”

or off the closest pier …

Tundra Dude

January 8th, 2013
10:24 am

Aqua wrote:
Where is the magically impervious border fence? Everyone knows that’s what we need, and until it’s built the screechers will consider this stuff as window dressing.

Last I heard, the Great Wall of Bush is still progressing, slowly. There’s at least 2 planned gaps, the Hunt Bros. Sharyland Plantation, and another Bush crony has the
River Bend Resort, right on the border.
This article was from 2008, don’t know if it’s still valid.

Homeland Security Won’t Explain Why the Mexican Border Wall Bypasses the Rich and Connected
By Melissa del Bosque , Texas Observer

http://bit.ly/MMHFy5

Ronald Reagan

January 8th, 2013
10:25 am

The “illegals” are sneaking back across the border, They are smart enough to know that the current administration is not going to work

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
10:25 am

weetamoe

Guest workers come in under H2A visas for agriculture and such. That particular visa has a cap, but if they’ve been here once under that visa, then they qualify for an H2R visa which does not have a cap. The students, who choose to work here, usually get employment-based visas and stay without much of a hassle.

The process works, and it’s fairly efficient. As soon as somebody files that petition, they begin the process to change status. While they’re going through the process, they have temp status that has no effect on their legal standing.

As for fast tracking visas, I’ve seen someone get turned at the border and return 2 days later with a new visa. Depending on the situation, we fast track everything, deportations included.

Paul

January 8th, 2013
10:25 am

Nookly23

You didn’t even read Jay’s lead, did you?

Ah well, one soapbox is as good as another.

BTW, can you please point me to the ‘law’ that says the Senate is required to produce a ‘budget’?

You’re not just repeating lalaland talking points without thinking about them, are you?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am

“should be tossed out along with anyone who does not speak English.”

oh, FFS … seriously??

you mean my grandmother who came here from Italy and worked hard all her life should be thrown out because her first language was Italian, which she spoke until the day she died?

rightwingextreme

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am

Immigration Reform is simple….it’s called the Naturalization Process. All of these folks who say they really want to be citizens need to march down to the immigration office and begin the process. I would welcome any who follow the laws of this great Republic. If you aren’t willing to do that…carry yourself back home.

stands for decibels

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am

Why don’t we make Mexico the 51st state, give the place an enema and move on.

This is the kind of big thinking we coulda had if we’d only elected Mittens.

Erwin's cat

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am

That’s a battle we won’t remotely win unless legalization happens..

legalization would help with the cartel boarder violence for a while anyway…until the cartels move on to something else more lucrative

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:27 am

California alone pays $1 billion annually to incarcerate over 16,000 illegals…

Too bad the private prison industry will fight tooth and nail to keep them…cost on average $45,000 spent to incarcerate a single inmate for a year…

Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
10:27 am

Well the conservatives and tradionalists could swap Mexico for America. The Mexicans move to America and the conservatives move to Mexico. After a few years Mexico will the land of opportunity and America will become a third world country filled with people having an equal amount of misery. No god, perversion galore, and no guns–what a paradise! Well you liberals will have to make those immigrants plant and gather food for you.

Mr Right

January 8th, 2013
10:27 am

For the life I don’t know why anyone would pretend to be Jay! Ha!

Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...

January 8th, 2013
10:28 am

Did anyone see the South Park episode when Cartman worked for border control and all the illegals were running back to Mexico and we were trying to keep them here?

Peadawg

January 8th, 2013
10:28 am

Deport the criminals. Keep the law abiding citizens. Pretty simple :) .

Oh yeah…Roll Tide!!! #menamongstboys

Williebkind

January 8th, 2013
10:28 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
10:26 am
Did your grandmother violate any immigration laws?

indigo

January 8th, 2013
10:28 am

USinUK, Brosephus

I’m talking about the places along the Mexican-American border where the illegals walk thru, NOT the offical border crossing. But, then, I think you knew that already.

Aquagirl

I would rather have our Military guarding the ENTIRE US-Mexican border than fighting and dying is a completely useless war in Afghanistan.

Erwin's cat

January 8th, 2013
10:29 am

you mean my grandmother who came here from Italy and worked hard all her life should be thrown out because her first language was Italian, which she spoke until the day she died?

so that’s where you got the cooking gene…and the guilt gene….and the passive aggressive gene
ask me how I know :D

Brosephus™

January 8th, 2013
10:29 am

Fred ™

January 8th, 2013
10:29 am

I like my illegal alien friends. The ones I know pay taxes, but they can’t file a return…….. they create jobs…….. but can’t get a tax break……… the spend lots on the economy……..

I don’t see the problem.