2012 shatters heat records for continental U.S.
“Last year was the hottest on record for the continental United States, shattering the previous mark set in 1998 by a wide margin, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Tuesday.
The average temperature was 55.3 degrees, 1 degree above the previous record and 3.2 degrees more than the 20th-century average. Temperatures were above normal in every month between June 2011 and September 2012, a 16-month stretch that hasn’t occurred since the government began keeping such records in 1895.
Federal scientists said that the data were compelling evidence that climate change is affecting weather in the United States and suggest that the nation’s weather is likely to be hotter, drier and potentially more extreme than it would have been without the warmer temperatures.
Last year’s record temperature is “clearly symptomatic of a changing climate,” said Thomas R. Karl, who directs NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. Americans can now see the sustained warmth over the course of their own lifetimes, something we haven’t seen before.”
Of course, if you’ve got your head buried in the sand — or your eyes and ears fixed to Fox News — you probably STILL haven’t noticed what has become so glaringly apparent.
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Christian Conservative
January 8th, 2013
6:24 pm
So what are we to Jay? Force the middle class to suffer more by penalizing electric and gas companies? You loons on the left don’t understand that its simply nature and there absolutely nothing we an do about it….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
6:25 pm
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Perhaps you should look up the word plagiarism in the dictionary.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 8th, 2013
6:25 pm
Well, it sure was good to get out of the terrible heat out there and back into the trailer.
Global warming! What a bunch of morans! Have a good night everybody.
Real Scootter
January 8th, 2013
6:25 pm
I think you just got punked.
Well,it wasn’t the first time and probably will not be the last. lol
It’s tough in my world Kam!
TBS
January 8th, 2013
6:25 pm
A city with over 500B in GDP contribution surely needs to be sent packing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
6:29 pm
cc does crack me up.
Feigning to give a rat’s ___ about the middle class.
http://tinyurl.com/5vycjx4
guy
January 8th, 2013
6:32 pm
Bob, You can’t reason with those who are never wrong.
JamVet, you wrote oh my Lord. I didn’t think liberals acknowledged there is a Lord. I guess you were referring to your lord, bho, YOUR PRESIDENT!!!!
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
6:34 pm
guy, don’t embarrass yourself and ever use the words thinking or reasoning again, OK?
Thanks.
Real Scootter
January 8th, 2013
6:35 pm
its simply nature and there absolutely nothing we an do about it….
Yes there is CC.We can adapt like we always have. Piece of cake as far as I’m concerned!
saywhat?
January 8th, 2013
6:36 pm
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
2:42 pm
I guess our climate is not the only thing setting records:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/planned-parenthood-reports-record-year-for-abortions/article/2517801#.UOx17-TAd2B
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EXACTLY!!!!!!. If conservatives would just get on board with reducing manmade global warming, they could simultaneously cut down on the number of abortions performed by planned parenthood. Win-win!
td
January 8th, 2013
6:37 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
6:25 pm
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
Perhaps you should look up the word plagiarism in the dictionary.
pla·gia·rism
[pley-juh-riz-uh m, -jee-uh-riz-] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author’s work as one’s own, as by not crediting the original author:
Since the original author is unknown then how can it be considered plagiarism? More Kamspam.
guy
January 8th, 2013
6:40 pm
JamVet, I think and I reason whenever I desire. You may not agree with me and I darn sure don’t agree with you but you will never control my thoughts. Understand?
saywhat?
January 8th, 2013
6:41 pm
Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
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We would be better off pullung out of the south.
Real Scootter
January 8th, 2013
6:42 pm
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
6:29 pm
There is such a thing as trickle down! (think food stamps) lol
td
January 8th, 2013
6:43 pm
“John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, and various other critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.” It is, but it’s more than that, it’s criminal.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/2/
Logical Dude
January 8th, 2013
6:47 pm
td quotes a quote: critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.”
So, you’re okay with dripping poison into your family’s drinking water slowly over the course of years without actually wanting to do anything about it?
Because it’s not what you would call “catastrophic” or anything, right?
(apologies for the blatant whack over the head example, but it’s the simplest I could come up with in a short amount of time)
Tealiban Party
January 8th, 2013
6:49 pm
DawgDad
January 8th, 2013
2:32 pm
Let’s say we could all throw all our stuff into the big Government black hole and magically someone COULD control the climate. Who would want that??? Think about it, the ultimate tyranny. Endless wars. No? Constant campaigning to control the next day’s thermostat setting, enslaved to the Government for water, rain, sunlight, darkness, food.
Just when you think you read an all-time low, a post like this pops up. Some people absolutely DO NOT get it. Never have, and never will.
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
6:50 pm
guy, IF you do, you have never demonstrated it here!
To wit, holding Bob’s insane comment about Greenland up as evidence that OTHERS don’t use reason is simply too asinine to do much but laugh at. And the joke is on you.
advice
January 8th, 2013
6:52 pm
Buy property in Greenland or Canada, the future breadbasket of the world (that is, Canada, Russia and other parts of the inhabited world).
Peter
January 8th, 2013
6:56 pm
Jay should be excited about Southern Company’s two new nuclear units at Plant Vogtle. They will help stop global warming.
Yes those plants that are way behind and now over budget, and all the folks in the southeast will be ripped off as the Southern company gets to raise our rates because the Republican’s said it was OK !
Peter
January 8th, 2013
6:57 pm
There is no global warming… Republican’s told us so…. HA HA HA !
td
January 8th, 2013
6:59 pm
Logical Dude
January 8th, 2013
6:47 pm
You think it has to be an either or situation. No it is called common sense environmentalism not this extreme globe radical climate change that require world wide carbon taxes and UN control over the worlds means of production.
Most conservatives want to have other energy sources. Wind power is good and solar power is good the technology is just not there yet or the investment capitalist would be investing to make a profit. Common sense environmental protection that weighs and compromises between the needs of the environment vs the needs of the community as a whole. Killing a few birds to get wind power IS acceptable. If a species of fish have to disappear to have more food for humans then that is acceptable. Burning coal to have cheaper energy is acceptable.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
6:59 pm
One thing is clear to me whenever this topic is posted.
There is a significant portion of the population, not to mention this blog, that is unwaveringly, staunchly, and most assuredly resistant to new information, critical analysis, examination of dearly-held views or just plain thinking.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
6:59 pm
Kam: You got data that shows the current rate of climate change is unprecedented?
DannyX
January 8th, 2013
7:00 pm
“Force the middle class to suffer more by penalizing electric and gas companies? You loons on the left don’t understand that its simply nature and there absolutely nothing we an do about it…”
Hey CC, just where in the hell were the Georgia Republicans when they decided residential customers of Georgia Power would be the only ones prepaying for the new nuclear power plants? Businesses are not prepaying. Residential customers are also responsible for cost overruns (already near a billion dollars.)
Were Republicans looking out for the middle class or Georgia Power investors who made out like bandits?
TBS
January 8th, 2013
7:05 pm
td @ 6:49
Except for the billions in private investment for solar and wind ventures you might have a point somewhere in your post
Don’t be afraid of the facts. Let google, bing, or even yahoo be your friend.
Is there a ways to go? Without a doubt, but your statement about venture capital is let’s say wrong to say the least
getalife
January 8th, 2013
7:07 pm
“That roller coster needed a flag”
http://www.manolith.com/files/2013/01/flag-on-roller-coaster.jpg
Patriotic.
More proof some Americans have a broken compass, AIG might sue us for bailing them out.
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
7:08 pm
But denying climate change won’t help any American family or our fledgling economy. And looking at the world with carbon-colored glasses, or using Solyndra as an excuse to snub renewables and clean-tech, is not only short-sighted, but makes America less competitive on the world stage. According to the World Economic Forum,
America’s global competitiveness fell from 1st to 7th place since 2007. Should we just accept that most breakthrough energy technologies are originating in China and Europe, where there is no more “debate” about climate trends?
Why is America still questioning the science? For political entertainment? Something tells me Mother Nature may get the last laugh.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/09/12/839821/republican-meterologist-to-romney-top-10-reasons-the-gop-needs-to-accept-the-climate-reality/
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
7:12 pm
There is a significant portion of the population, not to mention this blog, that is unwaveringly, staunchly, and most assuredly resistant to new information, critical analysis, examination of dearly-held views or just plain thinking..
Paul: I hope you don’t put me in that category. The world is definitely getting warmer, but the snapshot of data that we look at is small. Yes, I’ve seen ice core data, but they can’t narrow it down to the rate of change over a 100-200 year period.
There was a Nat Geo special on early man that documented (I can look it up if I have to) a 400 year period of extreme drought and heat during mankind’s early development. This was several thousands of years ago. They inferred that the climatic extreme prompted the early hominids to grow bigger brains and become more adaptive. Probably saved the species, IMO.
Homo sapien has survived by being adaptive. We live in every climate on earth, from the Himalayas to the Sahara desert. We’ll adapt to a changing climate. I have no doubt that fossil fuels will be fossils within 200 years. No need going all nuts at this point.
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
7:15 pm
“America’s global competitiveness fell from 1st to 7th place since 2007. ”
Thanks for pointing out what a loser O’bozo is, Jammie, but I already knew that.
The other half of your brain.
January 8th, 2013
7:19 pm
Yahoo! Another great year of boating on Lanier.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
7:20 pm
You got data that shows the current rate of climate change is unprecedented?
You got data that show there have been other industrial revolutions?
Peace
January 8th, 2013
7:21 pm
Jim, are you serious or what this a typo?
“I am in favor of taxing things that are bad to provide revenue for government, that we need.”
Heaven (or government) help you.
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
7:22 pm
RIP Sink…
Logical Dude
January 8th, 2013
7:24 pm
godless heathen: Homo sapien has survived by being adaptive. We live in every climate on earth, from the Himalayas to the Sahara desert. We’ll adapt to a changing climate.
While true, other species are not so fortunate to survive the changes. There are many other species on the earth that work together to provide the “circle of life” that supports our existence. If we take out too many of those supporting species, then THAT is when it will be too late to do anything.
So common sense says to ACT NOW to reduce the waste humans are putting back on the planet.
Sure, I don’t know all the answers, and hobbling economies won’t help either. But seeing how much denial is going on, it’s hard to have a discussion on HOW TO ACT when a side says “who cares?”
Paul
January 8th, 2013
7:24 pm
godless
It was a general observation. Some, more introspective, will do what you did. Many will blow on by while thinking ‘doesn’t apply to me ’cause I’m right!!!”
I think you may have a bit of difficulty convincing some of our fundamentalist bloggers that the key to man’s survival is evolution!
Sinkwich
Obama was President in 2007?!!? Who knew????!!!!
Paul
January 8th, 2013
7:29 pm
godless
’sides which, for our fundamentalist/evangelical/Christian persuasion friends, isn’t there some little injunction somewhere by this Supreme Being Creator about taking care of the earth He made for mankind?
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
7:30 pm
My bad. I meant to write RIP Sink’s brain…
USA Patriot
January 8th, 2013
7:32 pm
Bookman, you crack me up! The WaPo – as someone would post here “there’s your sign”.
Might want to look at some other sources, oh, never mind. Don’t want opposing points of view on this blog.
Just in case….http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
7:36 pm
Peter Ferrara.
There’s your sign.
Ken
January 8th, 2013
7:36 pm
Countries throughout Europe and Asia are experiencing an unusually cold winter. In Russia, the coldest temperatures on record since 1938 have left at least 88 dead. Temperatures in Ulan Bator, capital of Mongolia, have dipped to minus 50 degrees Celsius in recent weeks. Additionally, temperatures of -20 degrees Celsius or below have hit China: the Chinese province of Inner Mongolia witnessed the mercury falling to -40 degrees Celsius last weekend. Another cold spell is expected to hit China in the next several days, which will bring strong winds, potentially heavy snowfall as well as sharp temperature drops
From China.org
advice
January 8th, 2013
7:37 pm
Before the UN can use global warning to take over the world, they’ve got to get control of to makeover of Dunwoody Village Parkway. That’s what I hear, anyway. It’s the first step to world domination.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
7:38 pm
JamVet
There’s always hope.
Otherwise know as “The Reagan Model”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3u3PwCZfM4#t=00m24s
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
January 8th, 2013
7:39 pm
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
I refer you to an August 13, 2012 article in the Wall Street Journal entitled “‘Climate Consensus’ Data Need a More Careful Look”, authored by professors at Princeton and MIT, and a Fellow from the American Physical Society.
A couple of quotes –
“Despite shrill claims of new record highs, when we look at record highs for temperature measurement stations that have existed long enough to have a meaningful history, there is no trend in the number of extreme high temperatures, neither regionally or continentally.”
“Let us debate and deal with serious, real problems facing our society, not elaborately orchestrated, phony ones, like the trumped-up need to drastically curtail CO2 emissions.”
In the second quote, I assume they are referring to emperor nero, although they did not elaborate. Hopefully these folks have not been executed for their heresy.
Jay, are you a willing stooge for these folks, or have they bamboozled you too? Your core readership will believe the moon is made out of green cheese if you tell them it is so – try not to worry them so. Would the Eminent Algore have sold his TV station to those that promulgate carbon-based fossil fuels if global warming actually existed?
I heard Georgia Power is shutting down fifteen coal based power plants because of the supreme leader’s new regulations. How many jobs will we lose there? How will folks charge their Leafs and Volts?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
7:41 pm
I heard Georgia Power is…
I heard that I will be the starting quarterback in the Super Bowl.
Dharma Bum
January 8th, 2013
7:43 pm
My only concern with these sorts of “heat records” is that they account for only a small portion of time since the NOAA began these observations (as opposed to the entire lifespan of the earth)… these climate records are effectively a very small drop in the bucket upon which we extrapolate enormous conclusions. I’m not totally opposed to the idea that global warming/climate change is occurring, but lets not create another sky-is-falling talking point.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
7:45 pm
(as opposed to the entire lifespan of the earth)
How many industrial revolutions has “the entire lifespan of the earth” experienced?
TaxPayer
January 8th, 2013
7:49 pm
The con’s unskewed data also show that Mitt won.
F. Sinkwich
January 8th, 2013
7:52 pm
Paul has reading comprehension probs.
Poor Paul…
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
7:54 pm
How many industrial revolutions has “the entire lifespan of the earth” experienced?
Only one is the answer, but why is this inane question relevant? There has been a lot of climate change in the past 7.5 billion years, with only one industrial revolution.
advice
January 8th, 2013
7:54 pm
@vast right wing – learn the difference between an article and an opinion piece – especially when reading the WSJ.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
7:57 pm
Well, Sinkwich, you know what they say about people unable to laugh at themselves -
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
7:57 pm
Only one is the answer, but why is this inane question relevant?
Because you want to compare the past 150 years with any other 150 year period.
Show me another 150 year period with an industrial revolution and you will have a valid comparison.
Inane question?
There’s your sign.
TaxPayer
January 8th, 2013
8:00 pm
I hear Georgia Power, like many other power producers, is switching over to burning more natural gas since it is cheaper than coal. Natural gas also happens to be less polluting. I know that really bums out some cons given their affinity for sucking up to major polluters.
td
January 8th, 2013
8:03 pm
TBS
January 8th, 2013
7:05 pm
td @ 6:49
Except for the billions in private investment for solar and wind ventures you might have a point somewhere in your post
Don’t be afraid of the facts. Let google, bing, or even yahoo be your friend.
Is there a ways to go? Without a doubt, but your statement about venture capital is let’s say wrong to say the least
And if it was viable technology that would cost less then carbon based products then there would be 100’s of billions pumped into the R&D.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:03 pm
Paul, I understand your point about the thumpers. I just say, let’s not lose perspective.
We can reduce carbon emissions in developed countries and there is no downside to doing that sensibly. But if we want to really affect the sum of carbon emissions from the human races, we are going to have to keep the people in the third world countries living in mud huts and eating cold monkey meat and the advance of technology won’t allow that. In the coming years, for every Prius sold in the US, 300 Toyotas with IC engines will be sold in Korea (ok, I made that stat up).
Petroleum products are the energy source of choice in the world not because we hate the planet, but because of their energy density. Going to take a long time to change that.
A Simple Man
January 8th, 2013
8:04 pm
Ok. Let’s say there is a problem. What is the “right” temperature for the planet? What is the correct temperature for every plant and animal? What is the earth’s optimal number? Let’s get that number and get started reaching it. Anyone got that number? Also, what’s the proof that the number being used is correct?
TaxPayer
January 8th, 2013
8:06 pm
“Only one is the answer, but why is this inane question relevant? There has been a lot of climate change in the past 7.5 billion years, with only one industrial revolution.”
Because that’s how we got man made global warming. Feel free to present your alternate reality though.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:07 pm
Because you want to compare the past 150 years with any other 150 year period.
Show me another 150 year period with an industrial revolution and you will have a valid comparison.
Inane question?
There’s your sign.
Well if another 150 year period demonstrates a greater rate of change than the rate of change during the industrial revolution, then the industrial revolution can’t be blamed for an accelerated rate of change.
And that sir, is your sign. Sadly.
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:09 pm
“And if it was viable technology that would cost less then carbon based products then there would be 100’s of billions pumped into the R&D.”
Seeing that is not what you originally stated, is this new post supposed to mean something? Maybe give you some sort of self confidence or mental boost after being debunked, yet again
Move along, nothing to see here (just part of the 47%)
January 8th, 2013
8:09 pm
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JamVet
January 8th, 2013
8:11 pm
What is the “right” temperature for the planet? What is the correct temperature for every plant and animal? What is the earth’s optimal number?
Of all the asinine and unimportant questions to be asked, those have got to be near the top of the list…
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
8:13 pm
“There is a significant portion of the population, not to mention this blog, that is unwaveringly, staunchly, and most assuredly resistant to new information, critical analysis, examination of dearly-held views or just plain thinking.”
And then there are those that are “unwaveringly, staunchly, and most assuredly” willing to spend or forfeit trillions of dollars to fix what may not in fact be broken.
Speaking of clear thinking, I am still waiting on your rational for believing that 1) the apostle Paul had “sexual hangups” (based on evidence) 2) gay marriage is permitted by the Scriptures despite there being no explicit discussion of anything but heterosexual marriage and 3) plain prohibitions of homosexuality by Paul in the NT should be ignored or dismissed because of belief # 1.
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:13 pm
td
You almost come across like some blogger who was touting a Romney victory then came up with excuse after excuse when it didn’t occur
oh snap……. that was you
nevermind
getalife
January 8th, 2013
8:14 pm
Lets see, if we are to judge on which side has a better percentage of turning out to be right, I will have to go with the sane Americans.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
8:14 pm
Well if another 150 year period demonstrates a greater rate of change than the rate of change during the industrial revolution, then the industrial revolution can’t be blamed for an accelerated rate of change.
Making too much stew from only one oyster.
There’s your sign.
td
January 8th, 2013
8:14 pm
“nfluential scientist James Lovelock admits that he’s been a bit of an alarmist (read: fear-monger) when it comes to matters of global warming and climate change. Though he wouldn’t call himself a “denier” by any stretch of the imagination, he concedes that the earth really hasn’t changed as much as he apocalyptically predicted it would, and throws other environmental activists under the bus as well, including Al Gore.
“Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable,” he said back in 2006. Now, 6 years later, he told MSNBC that he had been “extrapolating too far,” in recent years.
A favorite of the environmental movement, Lovelock is probably best-known for his “Gaia” model of the earth as a single organism. The 92-year-old scientist is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still a very real issue, but that it’s just not happening as fast as he once thought.
Even though the world isn’t much warmer that it was 12 years ago, according to Lovelock’s old theories, “we were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” which seems hardly the world we live in. He admitted, “The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.”
“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added. Though he has not changed his mind about climate change, he has changed his extremist doomsday-laden positions, and calls Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.”
Sounds like some of the posters on here read his first book and took it as gospel.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/224934/global-warming-scientist-james-lovelock-admits-to-being-an-alarmist/#gotHxccJl0Q1jCXS.99
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:15 pm
Because that’s how we got man made global warming. Feel free to present your alternate reality though.
My alternative reality says that I would like to see a detailed temperature record for the past 10,000 years that demonstrates that the current rate of change is unprecedented, when taken in 150 year snippets. That would require a continuous record from a few thousand measuring stations, operating over the past 10,000 years. You got that in your alternate reality?
liberal hack
January 8th, 2013
8:15 pm
here we go again about global warming, of course the only solution liberals have come up with is to tax carbon usage, the middle class and lower be damned by higher rates to power their home, fuel their cars, ect, rates will go up regardless of usage even if you are able to consume less energy. Consume less energy, restrict movement and life styles, the liberal way….liberals hate the fact that cheap energy helps those in all classes and encourages freedom. Liberals hate people to have economic freedom. that is all this carbon tax, carbon credit crap is all about. it’s to fuel more gov’t spending and more confiscation of individual wealth!
Speaking of heat and contributions to global warming
January 8th, 2013
8:16 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/01/katherine-webb-enjoys-web-fame-after-espn-spotlight/
Paul
January 8th, 2013
8:16 pm
godless
I don’t think it’s quite that dire as far as the third world. One of the documented phenomenons in industrialization is the further along the timeline one goes, the less time it takes for a nation to go from preindustrial to industrial. Look how long it took us and western Europe. It was a developmental process. Now look at China. Yes, they emit a bunch of stuff. But the projections that say ‘they emit this much now so in 30 years they’ll emit this much” have it wrong. They don’t keep using the same technologies. They use the cheaper, easier ones to get going and then begin playing leapfrog.
But on to the other point – not just you, but those open enough to keep on thinking about this – much of this discussion is about ‘what’s the temp now compared to xyz’ or ‘we have readings for n years compared to 1000n years’ and such.
Have you considered those are the effects – the results? When what can be measured, has been measured, is the accelerated rate and amount of greenhouse gasses we’ve trapped in the atmosphere and the effects that has caused?
td
January 8th, 2013
8:16 pm
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:13 pm
td
You almost come across like some blogger who was touting a Romney victory then came up with excuse after excuse when it didn’t occur
oh snap……. that was you
nevermind
Kind of like your prediction that Barnes was going to win Georgia and the Dems would retain control of the house in 2010?
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:18 pm
Of all the asinine and unimportant questions to be asked, those have got to be near the top of the list…
It’s a good question. The climate has been changing since the beginning of the earth. It has changed dramatically since homo sapiens first walked the earth. Is today’s climate worse than the climate of 5,000 years ago?
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
8:19 pm
“We can reduce carbon emissions in developed countries and there is no downside to doing that sensibly. But if we want to really affect the sum of carbon emissions from the human races, we are going to have to keep the people in the third world countries living in mud huts and eating cold monkey meat and the advance of technology won’t allow that. In the coming years, for every Prius sold in the US, 300 Toyotas with IC engines will be sold in Korea (ok, I made that stat up).”
And then there is that too. While we are at it, why don’t we unilaterally disarm and all go live in communes (with NO gas or diesel powered generators – just windmills and solar panels)? [birds chirping in background and the sun breaking through the clouds in a radiant beam]
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:20 pm
Have you considered those are the effects – the results? When what can be measured, has been measured, is the accelerated rate and amount of greenhouse gasses we’ve trapped in the atmosphere and the effects that has caused?
Sorry Paul, but I don’t get the question.
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:20 pm
“kind of like your prediction that Barnes was going to win Georgia and the Dems would retain control of the house in 2010?”
$1000.00 to you if you can show this
I can show posts from td (Isn’t that you) touting wrong polls, Romney wins, Senate goes Republican, etc. etc
You want to play that game and lose again
Why are you such a liar when you are shown to be incorrect?
Your Jesus doesn’t like you lying, son
Shantel
January 8th, 2013
8:21 pm
I’m no scientist, don’t even play one on TV, so I don’t have a dog in the global warming fight.
Assuming you’re right Jay you only state the problem, but no answers. I believe most reasonable people will consider sensible solutions, but they have to be realistic and do-able, not the usual fruitcake stuff like powering our cars with windmills.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:21 pm
There’s your sign.
Translated: I got nothing and I don’t understand the scientific method.
JamVet
January 8th, 2013
8:21 pm
I’m surprised that some of these ignoramuses are even smart enough to take their meds.
After all they were prescribed by, no doubt, liberals who don’t have tens of thousands of years of evidence that these medicines or treatments are even valid.
In fact, I encourage them to take a stand against this junk science being promoted by the overwhelming consensus of medical doctors in the world!
Don’t take your meds cons!
It is a giant left wing hoax!!!
2012 shatters lib voting base 'free stuff' records for continental U.S.
January 8th, 2013
8:23 pm
During fiscal year 2012, the U.S. government spent a record $80.4 billion on food stamps, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), a $2.7 billion increase from FY 2011.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:24 pm
And then there is that too. While we are at it, why don’t we unilaterally disarm and all go live in communes (with NO gas or diesel powered generators – just windmills and solar panels)? [birds chirping in background and the sun breaking through the clouds in a radiant beam]
http://youtu.be/ZqsW_noBIjQ
td
January 8th, 2013
8:24 pm
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:20 pm
Just because you are here under a different screen name now does not mean you did not post it two years ago.
As far as my Jesus, it does not matter what you think he may or may not approve of since you are an unbeliever and therefore your opinion of religion has no bearing on my belief system.
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:25 pm
td
Don’t get upset with me because you made a statement, which was wrong then changed your own premise and was called out for it.
Read your 6:59 then your 8:03………. that’s what you do.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
8:25 pm
godless
In light of your 8:15, I’d like to refer you to what’s become my ‘go-to’ address on this topic. It can be a bit to get thru, but I think you’ll find it well worth the investment. I had one rather large sceptic on this blog say it didn’t address his questions. Reading his remarks, I noted he never listened to it. He then cited a couple parts, but did so in a way that indicated he merely fast forwarded and paused a few times. He never saw how the speaker presented his conclusions based upon the data. He also missed that the presenter did not begin with climate change in mind. His work was in quite different areas but as he began examining the patterns he began to question what it meant.
It’s worth taking a break from these back and forths to listen to, godless. I found it worthwhile to make it thru once, then to go back thru the last half a couple of times to get the full import.
Good luck
“Microwaves, Icebergs and Global Warming”
http://byutv.org/watch/a83c1385-eaf6-4f20-9c5a-b7460700a0da
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
8:25 pm
““Before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable,” he said back in 2006. Now, 6 years later, he told MSNBC that he had been “extrapolating too far,” in recent years.”
BWAHAHAHAHA. Extrapolating too far? DO YOU THINK???
And, of course, on a serious note, that only shows that “scientists” VERY LIKELY (a pet phrase of theirs) don’t really know enough to say much definitively.
USA Patriot
January 8th, 2013
8:25 pm
Wow! Just started a fire in my fireplace -Oh my god, the temp’s just went up! Where’s Al Gore? D’oh re-investing his $100M in lobbying for higher carbon taxes! PUUUUHHLEEEZE! What a bunch of BS!
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:26 pm
td
Thanks for admitting that you are a liar and are not able to back up the usual running of your mouth
That is the 1st step. 2nd step: stop doing it
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:27 pm
Don’t take your meds cons!
Imagine a fight in which one of the combatants sets up a man of straw, attacks it, then proclaims victory. All the while, the real opponent stands by untouched.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
8:28 pm
godless 8:20
the changes in climate is the result – rather like the weight one carries after the holidays. People can debate all day long as to how much weight is okay. But the real issue is, how did the weight get put on in the first place (what led to the temp changes)?
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:28 pm
godless @ 8:27
td does that on this blog daily
47% and growing...
January 8th, 2013
8:29 pm
A woman who is eight-months pregnant with her sixteenth child is claiming police brutality after she says Tampa officers used a stun gun on her.
Tampa police arrested Angel Adams, 39, this week and charged her with battery on a law enforcement officer after a scuffle when police came to her home to talk to one of her sons. She says the stun gun endangered her life — and the life of her unborn child.
Adams, 39, first made headlines two years ago when she was evicted from her apartment, then moved into a small motel room with 12 of her 15 children. Her story angered many when she angrily demanded, “Somebody needs to pay for all of this.”
After legal struggles and with the help of the Department of Children and Families, Adams was able to move into a home large enough for her entire family.
godless heathen
January 8th, 2013
8:31 pm
Thank you Paul. I will bookmark it, read it and consider it when I have a fresh mind. Right now the dog needs walking and the sheets beckon shortly thereafter.
TaxPayer
January 8th, 2013
8:32 pm
Godless,
climate science is a field that you should take the time to study given that your questions have been asked and answered numerous times.
Do your homework, dude.
Towncrier
January 8th, 2013
8:32 pm
“Only one is the answer, but why is this inane question relevant? There has been a lot of climate change in the past 7.5 billion years, with only one industrial revolution.”
It is relevant because it is presupposed (in the absence of a far better understanding of how our climate system works) that the industrial revolution is the principle cause of the recent global warming. It’s called begging the question.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
8:33 pm
Shantel
“Assuming you’re right Jay you only state the problem, but no answers.”
Jay’s noted that the first order of business is to acknowledge a problem exists. Many of the readers here will not agree there is a problem. Then and only then can solutions be presented.
It’s like talking to a person weighing 375 pounds who says “obese? How dare you! I’m not even overweight!” Until one gets an acceptance, it’s useless to talk about diet and exercise.
Personally, I accept modern man, thru the pollutants he releases, has a measurable and significant impact on the climate. I am not, however, in favor of many of the cap and trade schemes that have been proposed, which seem to me designed to benefit the money houses that crashed our financial system rather than benefiting the environment.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 8th, 2013
8:34 pm
Sorry Paul, but I don’t get the question.
And there’s your sign.
moonbat betty
January 8th, 2013
8:35 pm
OH GOOD LORD!
not this again.
getalife
January 8th, 2013
8:35 pm
Like cons understand science.
Yeah right.
We need them to take their meds.
Paul
January 8th, 2013
8:36 pm
godless
You’re welcome. Tere’s also a ‘read’ version here: http://www.mers.byu.edu/long/KGM/KGM.html
Enjoy the dog time. They keep things in perspective.
td
January 8th, 2013
8:37 pm
TBS
January 8th, 2013
8:26 pm
td
Thanks for admitting that you are a liar and are not able to back up the usual running of your mouth
That is the 1st step. 2nd step: stop doing it
Thanks for admitting that you are a total Azzhat and am only brave as long as you sit behind a protected hidden screen name. But keep up the good cowardly work.