Next six months may redefine Washington

But the 113th Congress may be different. Explosive issues that have been put off time and time again — including immigration reform and entitlement spending — can’t be postponed much longer. Partisan and personal resentments that have long simmered seem ready to come to full boil. Confrontation is in the air — between Republicans and Democrats, between the House and Senate, between Congress and the president, between red state and blue state and even within the two political parties.

Well, as long as none of them are armed, it’ll only be a verbal blood bath — maybe a few punches, but I’d take Harry Reid and Pelosi over any of those “rich pretty boys”; any day.

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Confrontation is in the air.

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Jay, I agree with your statement but I fear for the country because of the willingness of the Tea Party to destroy the very fabric of government in this nation. Based on what I’ve seen and read it looks like they think we’re back in an agrarian society and that we can just get by in this 21st century world just fine without all of the things needed to be a 21st century nation.

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Revenue and taxes have been dealt with for now. Let’s focus on spending cuts!!!

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Peadawy – agreed!

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Peadawg – sorry for the typo.

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One thing I am vehemently going to disagree with is listing or calling social security an entitlement, it is not. Every paycheck that I have received for close to the last fifty years has money taken out for fica – entitlement my azz, I’ve paid for it!!!

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You can bet one thing will no change, spending will increase, so will the deficit, so will the debt.

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Peadawg

The Obama administration has passed 1.5 trillion in spending cuts since the BCA.

I think it’s time for the GOP to SPEAK UP as to what they want in additional cuts.

They seem completely unable to be specific.

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“Spending cuts have also been addressed.

You must have some super secret version of the fiscal cliff bill that nobody else has.

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They have made it clear that they would really like to repeal the second amendment…

Ah! Such immature sophistry and baldfaced lies leave that unmistakable neocon aroma doesn’t it?

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“For example, I’d give House Speaker John Boehner a 50/50 chance of still holding that position come July, and that may be optimistic. His departure could come in any number of ways, from an internal caucus rebellion to a voluntary resignation in frustration.”

my money is on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwGDXp24uWo

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Nope Peadawg. You have not been paying attention. Here’s one tip. What did the Republicans talk about when they said, for example, that Obama cut $700+ billion from Medicare? And in 2011, $1.5 trillion in cuts.

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They do not exist in the relationship between House Republicans and the rest of the constitutional structure in Washington, and that explains a lot about the system’s dysfunction. But given the important battles that loom, and the apparently growing hunger for confrontation in some quarters, they may become a lot more clear.

Republicans don’t fight fair. When the Dems were ousted out of power after the rising star of Reagan, they came together and said, “Hey’ we’ve got to change”.

Republicans on the other hand, came together and said,”AMERICA has to change.” And now they’re going about the business of remaking America into Stalin’s image.

They’re trying to suppress voters — Stalinist tactics (as well as a few more dictators).

They’re ignoring the basic tenets of the Constitution where the majority has spoken and they’re appointed leaders must speak for them — Stalinist tactics again.

They’re changing America from a democracy into a Theocracy, not because they’re all that religious, but because they’re using religion as an opiate, an appeasement for the masses. They want to screw them over and then tell them to go and pray for a better tomorrow. They’re saying, “We’re MORAL, we’re doing the will of GOD”; but GOD didn’t vote them into office. They want to recite the Bible at all state/city functions, but won’t allow the Koran or the teachings of Budda. This is also another way they are trying to do a “work around” of the Constitution. They believe in Freedom of Religion, just as long as its’ THEIR religion — no one else’s. —-This tactic is NOT Stalinist!! I’d describe it more of a George V — ish.

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“Nope Peadawg” – Well then do you have a link to the spending cuts in the fiscal cliff deal?

I was under the impression that the cuts were just postponed for another 2 months. That, along with the debt ceiling vote should provide for some good times comes March.

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Well, all I know is if the Boner goes we’ll see the real Trail of Tears. He’s got a bunch of House Republicans just spoiling for a fight and they wouldn’t need more than a minute to put that little rat terrier Cantor in as House Speaker. Then we’d see guvmint shutdowns and all kind of hijinks.

But stupid is as stupid does. The Republicans are just dying to cut Social Security and there’s a bunch of seniors out there stupid enough to support them on it—long as it don’t reduce their checks. There ain’t much you can see about cutting spending that don’t involve Medicare and Social Security. Trouble is, we got a whole bunch of Depression babies that hate debt and till they die off the Republicans are going to have support from them. And the same bunch are dead set against cutting anything for Defense because they’re still living in WW II. Of course younger people don’t care much about what happens because they don’t think they’ll ever grow old. All they see is what’s took out of their paycheck and the more they can take home the better for them.

Anyhow, if it moved a little quicker this fight might be good for popcorn sales. There’s a whole bunch of people that had their hind ends rubbed raw with a corn cob over this last fight and they want revenge.

Have a good Monday everybody.

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DebbieDoRight – Cons can’t win with a base that is at war with math, physics, human biology, economics and common-sense gun laws all at the same time.

January 7th, 2013
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They’re ignoring the basic tenets of the Constitution where the majority has spoken and they’re appointed leaders must speak for them — Stalinist tactics again.
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put a fork in America.
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sheeesh

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ahh the ‘tryannical government’ canard.

Let’s see how your Bushmaster works against the resources of the US Military, let alone the local police.

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As Nobama continues his quest to redistribute income and shape us into Western Europe, I say BITE ME !

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JAY,

The paragraph beginning with “At its most basic, politics is a process by which theories are tested and realities are sifted from illusions” is the most insightful and concise description of all things political you have written.

Too many illusions to satisfy fringe cash, not enough realities to work with…this is why I see nothing changing anytime soon. The deficit will remain and likely mount to $20 tril by end of term. Because the illusion that we can’t find more revenue or find reasonable cuts will remain just that until the big money is neutered in some fashion..

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Thomas Heyward Jr
put a fork in America.
We’re done.
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Guess it’s better to go out as # 1.

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Why is everyone bringing up something from 2/3 years ago?

Obama got his tax increases in this “deal”. Now let’s see if he follows through with the cuts. Plain and simple.

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“put a fork in America.
We’re done.”

Where do you live? I’ll help you pack and drive your ars to the airport.

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It is true that members of both parties lack both courage and guts.

It’s also true there is no reason whatsover to think that will change in the future.

So, just look for more of the same until the 2014 mid-term elections.

If Republicans get trashed in those elections, maybe there will be some change.

If not, then it’s more of the same.

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Folks in places like Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Kansas, Arizona may require a generation twisting recession to stop the insanity of voting against their own economic and social well-being, just because they consider hot-button issues more important.
Single day gun sales records three or four times in the last two months, a “church of what’s happening now” popping up in every vacant strip mall, and wages becoming perpetually stagnant. The evangelical con game will have to be exposed in some fashion. The dialogue is anything but Christian-like. My fear is that their fear may do us in.

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Brosephus™

January 7th, 2013
8:52 am

Money rules so options will remain slim. I’d agree with you but putting the blame on the people, who have little to no legitimate power to change the big money game and change the fact that most incumbents don’t face competition due to big cash, really don’t have options. What are we supposed to do? Find others we like to run?

You blame the people but I blame a system that keeps new options off the table. Who wants to raise 10’s of millions to run and be publicly exposed? Ergo, we are stuck with professional career politicians who are generally already wealthy or will be at some point during tenure..

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rightwingextreme – If you think that by not having guns available to the population at large those same people would not be able to throw off a ‘tyrannical government’ then please tell that to the people who threw off theirs in the Arab Spring.

Most every other major Western democracy has gun laws in place and they regularly, in a peaceful way change their governments via elections or the people take to the streets. Why do some people think that the 2nd amendment is the only thing that protects us from the government we freely elect? Talk about paranoid.

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What’s in the air.

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Stevie Ray

When Charles Darwin can get a significant vote total against a sitting Rep, the people already know how to remove trash from office. I understand and somewhat agree with your statement on money, but until it’s proven that someone is paying for votes, the people are still responsible for the votes they cast.

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Well, as long as none of them are armed, it’ll only be a verbal blood bath — maybe a few punches, but I’d take Harry Reid and Pelosi over any of those “rich pretty boys”; any day.

Debbie, Those two are ” ugly rich boys ” just sayin.

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Peadawg

January 7th, 2013
8:55 am

“put a fork in America.
We’re done.”

Where do you live? I’ll help you pack and drive your ars to the airport.
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No.
No you will not.
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I’ll take my stand in Georgia, where my father did and his father did before him …….against you collectivist propogandized federal-father craving ars-holes.
And I…and liberty………will win.
Eventually.
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(on second thought……please do show up and “help” me pack.)
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lol

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Everyone wants “spending cuts.” But where? The military? GOP says nope. Entitlement? We all paid into those, so why should we cut there and hurt the middle class when the wealthy is the wealthiest they’ve been in decades? So what DO we cut? Do we take away food from poor children? Do we let our infrastructure decay further? Do we let our country slide into 2nd world status as others build high speed trains and better schools? Do we not fix our ridiculous health care system and continue to pay money there?

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“TERM LIMITS for Congress”

Amen! Elections aren’t doing the trick. Enough of these 12-term life long politicians.

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Stevie Ray: ” The last thing the DEMs and President Trillions want is to cut anything. ”

So you think he’s just been bluffing? I’m extremely doubtful of that myself. But even if he is, the thing about is that when you bluff, often you have to make good on it eventually.

Morality? “SOCIALIST social big spending programs far beyond the means to pay for them over a period of decades created the Fed debt crisis…….quit the giveaway of our future.”

Since the diametrical opposite is the truth, this once again proves just how outlandishly successful the ruling elites of this system have been in completely gulling the unsuspecting masses to give away their future to let the elite gamble with. A system that has literally handed over trillions of cash to bank and financier elites to continue paying out lavish bonuses, followed now by central bank money printing that goes right into the coffers of those same institutions so the same casino-like activities can continue unabated, and when the bill comes due for all of it, who do you think is asked to pay? The people, that’s who.

Oh if ONLY a true “socialist” alternative were on the table somewhere.

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Time for a REVOLUTION……… rid Hollywood EAST (D.C.) of the PARTY LOYALISTS in both parties ….. for to long it has been Dem Party or Repub Party comes 1st and as the Ratful Rev Rat said “G.D. America”.. It’s time to put U.S.A. LOYALISTS in office – men and women that put the fiscal future of the U.S.A. first. It’s time for a 3rd PARTY.

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Cherokee

January 7th, 2013
8:52 am

ahh the ‘tryannical government’ canard.

Let’s see how your Bushmaster works against the resources of the US Military, let alone the local police.

Go ask the Syrian rebels we’re sending guns to how it’s working.

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“The tree of liberty must always be watered with the blood of collectivists…”

really?

really??

that’s all you got?

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Jay

January 7th, 2013
8:53 am

“jay
Ok, so I’ve earned it, but why are they now so insistent that it needs to be cut instead of strengthened???

Their ideological predecessors have opposed such programs from the beginning. Back in the early ’60s, Reagan was condemning Medicare as socialism and New Deal opponents said the same about Social Security back in the ’30s.

And they were correct in identifying those programs as socialist.

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You had it right at the beginning – address spending, that is all I really care about. Do what you will with immigration, same sex marriage – frankly I just don’t really care. But let’s not lie to ourselves, Obama doesn’t have any intention of reducing entitlement spending. That would alienate the vast majority of the Dem voter base. Forward.

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Jay, the issue a lot of us have with “entitlements”, myself included, is that many people receive these benefits who have not earned them. Fraud is a major problem particularly with social security disability. As one who has worked in government and has seen its inherit inefficiency, there is very little reason to trust that much will be done to address the problems that exist with entitlements.

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@brain – agreed. Corporate welfare is a huge problem, but hey – let’s point out the few that abuse social welfare and run with that instead…because it’s not racist/bigoted or anything…

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morality – I think your coffee is a bit strong this morning. You might try decaf.

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“Democracy is less a system of government than it is a system to keep government limited, unintrusive; a system of constraints on power to keep politics and government secondary to the important things in life, the true sources of value found only in democracy.”

Seems like the objective your Liberals fear the most. Limiting government power, constraints, keep politics separate from important things in life…if you beleive that one, why did you vote for BO?

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straitroad – how much does “fraud” really cost us? It’s real, yes, but in comparison to bailing out banks, 3 trillion dollar un-necessary failed wars, and corporate welfare, I don’t see it as the first thing to tackle.

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George Will nailed it this past Sunday saying, “The problem in the country is a consensus that is broad…which is that we should have a large, generous welfare state and not pay for it.”

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“Obama doesn’t have any intention of reducing entitlement spending.”

One of Obama’s very first spending cut proposals was to institute a chained CPI for SS. Most of the entitlement spending goes to senior citizens, a big big part of the GOP base.

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Got more “BS” for you Jay!

A distinct set of definitions for the word republic evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster’s dictionary of 1828. It was a novel meaning to the term; representative democracy was not an idea mentioned by Machiavelli and did not exist in the classical republics.[51]

The term republic does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, but does appear in Article IV of the Constitution which “guarantee[s] to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government.” What exactly the writers of the constitution felt this should mean is uncertain. The Supreme Court, in Luther v. Borden (1849), declared that the definition of republic was a “political question” in which it would not intervene. In two later cases, it did establish a basic definition. In United States v. Cruikshank (1875), the court ruled that the “equal rights of citizens” were inherent to the idea of a republic.

However, the term republic is not synonymous with the republican form. The republican form is defined as one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. [52]

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SOCIALISTS denying they are SOCIALIST…… nothing new. Obama’s mentors are SOCIALISTS. Obama’s proposals are SOCIALIST. If you voted OBAMA you voted for a SOCIALIST. When you say the ugly rich are you including HARRY Weed, NANNY PELOSI and OBAMA – members of the evil and dreaded 2%.? These guys aren’t like you – they are all multi millionaires. Let’s start confiscating from the 1%’ers on the left first since you are so much in favor of the socialist idea of redistributing the wealth.

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Bro, While this is mostly true, the average person doesn’t have the money or political machine behind them to get elected.

With the popularity of social media outlets, that can be all the political machine necessary to win an election. I think it is within the plausible to wage an effective campaign to defeat an incumbent. The challenger has to be able to capture the anger that people have with Congress. A true grassroots group could do that. It has already been proven by the Tea Party.

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Jay….more “BS” in today’s government lesson!

Constitutional Republic – a republic form of government where powers are limited by law or a formal constitution, and chosen by a vote amongst at least some sections of the populace.

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 7th, 2013
9:10 am

Absolutely. What does he gain? How does he cut spending in a meaningful way without disrespect for his base who depend on such? So is he gonna increase SS age? Is he really going to cut defense? What about the offset cost he now has to cover for PelosiCare?

No way he nor his constituents cut anything exceeding the 6% of revenue increases he got already..Won’t happen since it will adversely affect 2014 politics. The really don’t give a flip about us…just relection and control…a house full of DEMS will be a further obstacle to cuts of any kind…and we all know taxing ourselves (excepting transaction tax) can’t cover much more..

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straightroad: “Jay, the issue a lot of us have with “entitlements”, myself included, is that many people receive these benefits who have not earned them”

As I said above, you are spouting a lie that shows how completely and totally you have been gulled by the ruling elites into giving them your future to gamble with.

The only group that receives “benefits” it did not “earn” are the bank and financier interests who at this very moment are receiving cash infusions into their sclerotic veins in an attempt to keep their lavish profits going even with the specter of a systemic collapse looming just out in the distance ahead.

What is so painful to you about admitting that the real moochers and freeloaders are the elite bankers and their lobbying armies, not the common workers and people who receive modest benefits to help them avoid ending their life in poverty?

Is that just too dispiriting to face?

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Steve

January 7th, 2013
9:23 am

I agree but Medicare only covers a couple weeks or so of skilled nursing care..medicaid picks up tab for more that 65% of residents…

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 7th, 2013
9:24 am

“unlike you violent statists,progressives, and collectivists”

ohsweetjeebus … violent statists??? where on EARTH did you get that???
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Steve – 9:23 – and I’m sure they hated SS, as well.

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Stevie Ray

You don’t see the power because you’re mesmerized by the money. Look at the people who have become famous just using social media. You take that platform with a Tea Party type organization, and you can easily throw a wrench into the House. It doesn’t take millions of dollars either. The powers that be want you to believe you need that kind of money to avoid challengers.

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Steve,

“@ATL TIger – we are hardly a welfare state unless you include how much we pay into the industrial military complex that Ike warned us about, or corporate welfare – then yes, we do have a problem.”

Are you serious? Entitlement spending (mandatory spending) represents 62% of all federal spending ($2 trillion), while all defense spending (discretionary spending) makes up 18% ($1.3 trillion, which is way too much). So if nearly 2/3rds of all federal spending goes towards entitlements and we’re not a welfare state (according to you), what % would make us a welfare state?

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pejorative.

pesky consonants.

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another con arguing that the US is not a democracy is like arguing
that a Pontiac is not General Motors.

Republicans should start their own movie industry outside Hollywood.
Nowadays you have to suspend disbelief for 2 hours every time they
say something.

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UK – ONLY you can play out the NAZI card – which is ironically, not far from where the Dem and Socialist fanatics are headed with their idiocy. Obama is one of us? Not hardly. He’s got 4 mansions in four different states with gardeners and house keepers. Obama is a dreaded member of the EVIL 1%!

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A true Tea Party American on Social Security would return their checks for the good of the country.

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“Now those many who have college degrees got their college paid for by the taxpayer!”

Poor Ronald Reagan is really getting a workout today, he’s been spinning in his grave all morning. Ronald Reagan sure knew the value of investing taxpayer dollars in higher education. After promising he wouldn’t raise taxes he did just that in California. He raised taxes so he wouldn’t have to cut the university/college budgets. In California community college under Reagan WAS free.

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Just observe our dutiful masses here eager to eat up a narrative about “entitlements” and how the less fortunate are getting away with something at their expense. They’re like baby birds with their little beaks open for the next feeding. Just give them a label — let’s call it “conservative” — which they can place on their shabby coat. It will give them a place in the world. Something to identify with and direct their simmering rage towards.

You can loot their savings, destroy their jobs and way of life, but just give them a movement that pretends to address their petty grievances, cloak it in traditional morality and principles of upstanding self-reliance, and their good to go.

You can put almost ANYTHING over on them. Try it. It works every time.

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And rightwingextreme ———–
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You’re dealing with Progressives……… the masters of “redefinition”.
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Progs even succeeded into turning Liberalism (the ideaology of Liberty) into a dirty word.
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Next thing you know………….the Federal government will force us to pay insurance companies MORE money for better healthcare……..and the progs will probably defend it………………no wait……………

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Jay:

particularly if President Obama reaches some kind of deal with Republicans on the budget.

The above statement alone almost made me throw up my breakfast. Obama has no clue how to deal. Or lead for that matter. He had to beg Biden to work with Republicans last time. He’s better off just hanging at the golf course while grownups work on the problem.

The thing is dems want to continue spending like drunken sailors while Republicans want to curb it so our children and grandchildren will have a future….

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The other half…

The Tea Party wasn’t a true grassroots organization either. Money fights money, and that’s why the TP got attacked back. A true grassroots organization would not become a subset of either party.

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Brosephus™

January 7th, 2013
9:29 am

Did you look at graph? Do you realize that 94% of elections are won by who spent the most dough? So twitter is going to oust a 20 year incumbent? I hope you are correct but bigger money can compete in that medium as well.

Yes I am blinded by the money…candidates in presidential auction spent a billion each…Sadly, I’m not a blinded by the money remotely like those in DC. The congressional auction costs $4 billion..check out the trend…

Check out which party outspent the other in correlation with total and outcome of years in question..

http://www.opensecrets.org/bigpicture/

That being said, I desperately hope you are correct..

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The Democrats need to bust up this hold the right has on red states. They could run a child molester and win in this state of straight line voting. These guys representing us in Congress think they are bullet proof, they don’t represent the locals they represent special interest in Washington. We need to spend more money down here instead of less; even the last election was a lot closer than I thought it would be. They say they will primary us that work both ways. Democrats need to get in the Republican’s kitchen vote in their primaries our side of the equation will take care of itself. I can live with a moderate Republican or Democrat just not the extremes from either side.

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“ONLY you can play out the NAZI card – ”

aw, diddums. don’t like being called out for your post?? “Patriotism is the last refuge of the soundrel” – Samuel Johnson.

which is ironically, not far from where the Dem and Socialist fanatics are headed with their idiocy.

so, you call me out for comparing your words to another famous “patriot” – and then you do the same. laugh. flippin. riot.

“Obama is one of us? Not hardly. He’s got 4 mansions in four different states with gardeners and house keepers.”

you’re confusing him with Romney, dearest. Obama only owns one property in Chicago.

“Obama is a dreaded member of the EVIL 1%!”

Evil? your words. not ours.

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“A true grassroots organization would not become a subset of either party.”

Are you referring to liberals to democrats or democrats to liberals. Or is that ambiguous?

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willliebkind — “We took care of our parents. Where were you?”

That’s all well and good if both husband and wife don’t have to work, but most couples *these days* do have to run on two — or even three jobs. Add in an elderly grandparent who needs attention and care, and it can rapidly be overwhelming.

My wife and I are caring for my elderly and disabled mother, but if Mom wasn’t able to do a few things for herself, we’d be in a serious bind. If she should happen to develop Alzheimers (she’s in her mid-70s and no signs yet, fortunately), we wouldn’t have any choice but to institutionalize her.

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Steve

January 7th, 2013
9:31 am

Medicare covers the first 100 days but with significant restrictions. I think there is also a copay (medigap covers) after 30 days. After 100 days, resident is one his own.

The restrictions involve diagnosis and are generally folks who need stabilization after some hospital procedure…Once the need changes to more traditional care, they revert to Medicaid but only if financially somewhat destitute.

The Medicare wings were designed to put folks otherwise in hospital at thousands a night into more reasonable costs at less than $500 or so..

Regardless, I’m glad your family got the care needed…

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Bro

Would have to disagree somewhat in regards to the Tea Party.

While certainly somewhat of a “grass roots” beginning, Dick Armey and his folks were behind the scenes with money and messaging.

Of course there are numerous Tea Party factions but I’d venture to say the majority of the larger and influential ones have been financed by Dick Armey and other larger organizations like his as well as provided with well crafted messaging.

While I certainly think there are some well meaning and concerned people in these Tea Party orgs, I see it as much as a way to get Republican Party to move right on certain issues as it a total “grass roots” movement willing to totalally remove themselves from the Republican Party.

Almost a way to stage “coups” within the Party without blowing up the Party.

This may not be what the avg Joe wants from the Tea Party but what most of the money backing it wants.

Just my 10 cents on the overall Tea Party “grass roots” movement

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“For every % you want to cut the military would you be willing to cut EVERY gub’ment giveaway program by the same %?”

why? when there is more corruption, more waste in the DoD than anywhere else???

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Sorry Jay, but, again you are wrong! It is the extreme left that is the problem. We were not formed as a socialist redistribution society, but, the democrats do not seem to care about the Constitution or the limits it places on the central government! And, contrary to the constant rants about reaching a compromise, CONGRESS IS NOT ELECTED AND SENT TO DC TO COMPROMISE, BUT, TO FIGHT FOR THE IDEALS OF THE VOTERS, BUT, IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE LIMITS ALLOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION! Obama has no respect for the Constitution and in fact violates it repeatedly and should be impeached immediately! But that won;t happen because H Reid and the democrat senate will never hold that trial! In fact, Reid and the Senate democrats should be impeached and removed from office for violating the Constitution and not submitting a budget in over 3 years!!

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 7th, 2013
9:39 am

Yup…for more adventureous reading, google BO and the telecoms, BO and the prosecution of fat cats on wall street, and the list of those in both parties who arrived with average net worth who leave worth millions…

Train kept a rollin all night long…with a heave and a ho…

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And who was it that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity? That means the gub’ment is INSANE.

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Bro

Was typing my post and didn’t see your last one regarding the TP.

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Are they referring to every demonstration the progressive liberals have? You know where property gets destroyed and people get hurt.

Dead drunk Breitbart screaming at imaginary rapists laughs at you.

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The ODS is strong in this thread.

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Before I get back on subject:

Williebkind @ 9:44: we DO NOT have the best health care in the world. I believe we rank somewhere in the low 30’s.

rightwingextreme @ 9:22 and before: We are a Democratic Republic! We elect our representatives through a democratic voting process. They then go to DC and act and vote on whoever pays them the most. That the republic – not Republican – part.

On subject: There is not one of the 535 Congresspeople and Senators that REALLY want to cut the budget, especially when it affects the Federal money they bring home. Federal spending in local districts is the way to re-election. So why on earth would they want it cut!

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@willie – ha, we do NOT have the best healthcare in the world. We have higher infant mortality rates than dozens of countries, and only the wealthy can afford this “best” healthcare you speak of. We are ranked something like 30th in healthcare globally.

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How many lobyists are working to maintain the status quo?

No matter which program or group you want to streamline, there are special interest group resisting change.

Get rid of lobbyists and this country’s problems might be solved.

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Keep up – 9:56 – criminey – ODS or simply wacked-out delusions …

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OBAMA is going to kick some more CON booty in the next 6 months. Get the popcorn ready …

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“tactics of the left ? You avoided and evaded my question. Where did the big gub’ment get the dollars from that built the highways? The private sector – of course. aka tax dollars. Why are you afraid of giving credit to the tax payers for the building of the highways? Gub’ment is DEAD without dollars from the private sector. – that’s a fact.”

Duh. of course tax dollars built highways and bridges and ports and such. THAT’S ITS JOB.

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Jay

January 7th, 2013
8:33 am

“Mick, it’s called an entitlement because you’re entitled to it, because you’ve earned it.”

You earn Food stamps, Medicaid and SSI? Are these not also entitlements? Wow, I can not believe you actually wrote that statement.

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I get my definition of SOCIALIST from Webster’s – you get yours from SOCIALISTS?

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duuuude, just because GM dropped Pontiac doesn’t mean all de
Pontiacs on the road are not GM, they ARE.

Thx for proving my point about the burdgeoning con movie industry, tho

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I’m betting we’ll still see the same dysfunction from Republicans. Texas just sent a freshman senator to Washington – a classic TeaPartier who’s on a religious crusade. There is still a significant portion of the country that revels in thinking of themselves as the righteous underdog who know better than anyone else what’s right and good and is willing to do nearly anything to get what they want.

Of course, a healthy dose of ignorance keeps them on course.

I used to not be much of a fan of Rep Pelosi. I’ve changed my mind, especially compared to the current Speaker. She will hold to her principles but she’s pragmatic. She enforced discipline. She was willing to compromise to keep the country moving. For those reasons, I see Democrats as coming out better after a year than Republicans. Sure, they’ll have their angst and their battles and their zealots crying the end of the country is upon us, but at the end of the day they will pretty do what they have to do to survive.

TP Republicans seem to think ritual suicide is a grand and glorious outcome.

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Steve – like most things you got it back wards. Never said private sector is dead without gub’ment – or were you trying for a little sick humor?

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“I get my definition of SOCIALIST from Webster’s – you get yours from SOCIALISTS?”

Hooray!!! I’ll play. Okay, you got it from Webster’s? then tell me which definition you’re applying?

“1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state ”

we’re all standing by … because this should be good.

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 7th, 2013
10:11 am

All of it.

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Dead drunk Breitbart screaming at imaginary rapists laughs at you.

Heh, heh, heh.

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Godd[sic] morning, looters.

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd, I stopped reading.

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

which is why the Democratic president was reelected. simple. More takers voted than makers…

which is why the Dems gained seats in the House: because of gerrymandering. hardly any gained in red states….

which is why the Dems retained the Senate it was a longshot for Repubs anyway.. look at 2014…

and which is why the economy is getting stronger. What! Perhaps in the land of Oz…

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old goober

“In short, this country’s healthcare policies for the elderly and infirm are shameful. If you find yourself in need of long-term nursing home care, be prepared to sacrifice everything you own. You can work and save all your life and still find yourself impoverished by a cruel national and state system.”

I think the poster meant ‘Medicaid.”

Just as a question, what’s wrong with spending all you’ve saved to take care of yourself our your spouse? Isn’t that a conservative battlecry – self reliance? If a person’s at the point where they require institutional care, why do they need to retain two cars, land, a stock portfolio or any other significant assets before asking other Americans to pay for their care?

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Brosephus – “the people are still responsible for the votes they cast”

And, we can only vote for the people on the ballot. If both parties run less than satisfactory candidates, it’s not our fault.

Your idea of write in candidates is not feasible since, almost always, there are NO candidates asking for write in votes.

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U.K. – All three describe Obama’s administration…… thank you for agreeing with me!

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Mornin’ Paul, you ol’ Texas leftist!!

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Christian Conservative

“and which is why the economy is getting stronger. What! Perhaps in the land of Oz…”

Okay… I’ll bite….

How is the economy today – jobs growth vs decline, growth or decline in personal wealth, home values, foreclosure rate, auto manufacturing and sales, etc – the same or worse than it was in January 2009?

I’m really, really, really interested to read your stats.

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williebkind

how last week you remain!

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“Good morning looters!” Now the truth hurts and the hit dog always hollers! Lot’s of howling dogs on here!

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 7th, 2013
10:11 am

Let us play. Now let us look at the Oxford definition:

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy

Under their definition Obamacare is pure Socialism since the government REGULATES the entire healthcare industry and hence controls 20% of the entire GDP of the nation. Add to it Medicare and Medicaid and total redistribution of another 22% of the economy by taxation then our government is controlling about 45% of all the output of the nation.

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What a waste of my time in here. It’s like debating bullyish 7th graders. The ignorance and hypocrisy is astounding.

Face it Confederates with your 7th grade edumacations – WE WON. Deal with it.

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But you just can not count on the morons…

Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd, I quit reading.

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indigo: Your idea of write in candidates is not feasible since, almost always, there are NO candidates asking for write in votes.

That’s why I’m suggesting that people get together and start using write-in candidates, duh… If you don’t start it, you can’t complain that it doesn’t work.

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“Face it Confederates with your 7th grade edumacations – WE WON. Deal with it.”

Not in Ga.

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“Under their definition Obamacare is pure Socialism since the government REGULATES the entire healthcare industry and hence controls 20% of the entire GDP of the nation.”

if regulation is your definition of socialism, then the economy has been socialist for more than100 years, long before Obama took office.

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td

The Govt. also entirely regulates and runs our Military.

This is also pure Socialism.

Is this ok with you?

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Under their definition Obamacare is pure Socialism since the government REGULATES the entire healthcare industry and hence controls 20% of the entire GDP of the nation. Add to it Medicare and Medicaid and total redistribution of another 22% of the economy by taxation then our government is controlling about 45% of all the output of the nation.

Then that means every industrialized country is socialist. Because every industrialized country offers some form of government subsidized healthcare. Even some third world countries offer this.

You can not have capitalism without some form of socialism. You can not have socialism without some form of capitalism.

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You can call it the Longevity Dividend Payment and Healthcare Provider or whatever you care to. SS and Medicare are simply not sustainable in the current format and either reforms will be made or at some point no one will receive benefits. It is simply math and it is not working in our favor. There are far to few children being born to sustain an elderly population that retires in their mid 60’s and lives for another decade or two. Nothing can change that fact and it is just wishful thinking to think it can be changed. No one wants to face the facts but without serious reforms soon, major fiscal problems will surface and there will be no options left. Austerity is coming whether it is voted upon or simply occurs naturally. Changes now could lessen the impact but we as a whole do not have the strength to make that happen.

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Paul @ 10:23

That’s cold… funny but cold. I’m already prepping the bunker.

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“B.O. has had 4 years of misery as far as the economy goes. Spending your way out of debt just doesn’t work.”

don’t read the news much, do you?

we’ve had 3 years of positive GDP growth and 3 years of positive job growth.

THAT, my friend, is economic growth – and, when you consider that it’s being done with the European headwind, that’s spectacular economic growth.

and, I’ll add one more thing – the UK has demonstrated that you sure as hell can’t CUT your way to economic growth.

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I guess every industrialized country is socialist .

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indigo

January 7th, 2013
10:29 am

That is pure ignorance.

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Obama says, “…we don’t have a spending problem.” Pelosi says, “…no cuts, more taxes.” Yet, the Republicans are extremists and out of touch?

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Roll Tide?

Roll Tide.

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To understand the depth of the Republican dilemma that continues to brew in Washington, you only needed to listen to two voices last week.

One belonged to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. The primal scream he aimed at his fellow Republicans in the 112th Congress, who on their final day refused to take up a $60 billion relief bill for Hurricane Sandy victims, rumbled across the right-left spectrum of cable TV news.

Most outlets focused on Christie’s criticism of John Boehner. The House speaker was to face re-election by his GOP caucus the next day. But the New Jersey governor dropped large hints that his real target was the dominating right wing of the House GOP caucus, peopled primarily by Southern conservatives.

“New Jersey and New Yorkers are tired of being treated as second-class citizens,” Christie said. “New Jersey deserves better than the duplicity we saw displayed last night.”

“[The bill] just could not overcome the toxic internal politics of the House majority,” the governor said. Christie was asked to identify the culprits. “They know who they are,” he said.

Anyone else hear that death toll for the once great Party Of Lincoln?

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2013/01/05/a-north-south-split-surfaces-among-republicans-in-congress/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway

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The military and related defense industries are a huge factor in our economy.

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“That is pure liberal math.”

oh.

my.

dog.

just when I think the righties can’t get any more delusional than they already are …

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EC

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indigo

I have used write-ins for almost as long as I have been voting. I didn’t think many other people did until Mr. Darwin did so well here in GA. If the opportunity allows, you’re damn right I will put out a list of viable write-ins.

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Where is that unskewed data when the cons need it.

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DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

January 7th, 2013
10:37 am

You really have a reading disorder or just read what fits that little liberal mind of yours. Oh by the way Debbie will everyone get to help with the rebuilding in NY NJ or must they have a union card to get taxpayer money.

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That is pure liberal math.

Proof please.

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“What does the military have to do with the economy?”

For starters, how about calling the Chamber of Commerce in Columbus, Hinesville and Warner Robbins for starters..

You can then sit outside Lockheed and ask the workers as they leave….

Maybe give Boeing, GE, Pratt a call

If you don’t have any answers by that time, I will see if I can assist you with that blind spot you seem to be having

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“What does the military have to do with the economy?”

HAHAHOHOHEEHEEEEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

td, you slay me.

What’s the military have to do with the economy?

Lessee,,, ever heard of California? Texas? Virginia? Florida? How many other states can you name, hmmmmm?

’scuse me while I catch my breath…

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jobs growth vs decline:
The average monthly job creation in 2012 was 150,000. That is the best one year performance during Obama’s first term. That is barely good enough to keep pace with the number of workers entering the job market every month for the first time, meaning that we have a long way to go to replace the 7-8 million jobs lost during the recession. This is without mentioning that if the number of workers that have dropped out of the workforce was the same as when Bush left unemployment would be over 10%.

personal wealth: The median family’s net worth dropped 38.8 percent during Obama’s first term.

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“Oh by the way Debbie will everyone get to help with the rebuilding in NY NJ or must they have a union card to get taxpayer money.”

Ask the Governors if you really want the answer.

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Stay the course cons.

You are doing a heck of a job but when facts don’t matter, you need a doctor to help you get a grip on reality.

Good luck with that.

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Towncrier

“Please explain how many of the individuals receiving benefits have actually “earned” them. ”

That’s irrelevant, if you mean “paid money for.” Eligibility is established (earned) by meeting criteria established by law.

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“Given that cons don’t do math (or science), “pure liberal math” appears to be the only option.”

you know, I never really thought about it until now, but maybe the right really HAS been blinded by science!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k

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td

You can also call Delta and ask them how much money they have made via chartered flights paid for by the military during both the Irag and Afganistan wars

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Just as a question, what’s wrong with spending all you’ve saved to take care of yourself our your spouse? Isn’t that a conservative battlecry – self reliance? If a person’s at the point where they require institutional care, why do they need to retain two cars, land, a stock portfolio or any other significant assets before asking other Americans to pay for their care?

Spoken like a good little Republican with Democratic pretensions. Your statement is true only if one subscribes to the view that we have the best possible healthcare system. I’m not a subscriber. I don’t think that people should be forced to bankrupt themselves merely because they get old or sick. That’s why I favor a single-payer system. Healthcare ought to be off the table when it comes to private financing.

As one who wrote out those $4,800 monthly checks when my wife was confined to a nursing home, I think I know a little about what I speak.

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Matherbation.

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Christian Conservative

That’s the best you got? That’s how you assess the overall health of the economy to make the case the economy is the same or worse now than it was when Pres Obama was sworn in?

Really? Really?

You offer average job creation? O-kaaay…… What was the private sector job creation in the eight years before Obama? How ’bout the last three or four months?

You DO know the main driver of the decline in personal wealth, don’t you? You didn’t just do a googly and pull out something that sounded good, did you?

(HInt: it has to do with these buildings people buy to live it. Once you get that answer, then you can figure out when the values declined and why. THEN you can tell us how that answer from when Obama took office compares to now).

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A few suggestions:

1) If we caped dividends at 400k of income at capital gains rate, yet lowered cap gains to 15 percent we would increase revenue via investment incentives……….verse a straight tax increase. Also save on welfare via jobs……
2) If we replace payroll taxes with a VAT we would lower taxes on workers and tax black market money…….
3) If we stop the war on drugs we would not only save money we would increase tax revenue and help fight lifetime handcuffs for the poor and lower middle class via a record…………….
4) If we ended NCLB and tracked kids via aptitude over one size fit all college prep or out we could fill the 3 million job openings ie create more tax revenue and save money on education …….
5) If we let seniors, family of VETS and government workers buy drugs from the VA we could save tax payers 60 percent on drugs
6) If we ended the policemen of the world foreign policy we could save 50 percent of the cost of military spending reactive to GDP
7) If we pushed dial a doc, drug store care…..for non emergencies especially for non insured and government workers tax payers would save a lot of money……
If we let people buy drugs from non third world countries it would save the average tax payers a lot of money
9) If we change the immigration policy toward best and brightest we would be magnet for future. Investment ie let hard science grads from Georgia Tech, MIT……….fast track for citizenship.
10) If we increased percentage of pay for elective Medicare procedures we would help keep the program alive
11) We could base SS on average life expectancy

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Matherbation.

Though I doubt that Cotton Mather is amused.

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Paul

You’re right about that, but I think there were many who looked past TA&M. That said, Bama has proven that we rarely make the same mistake twice. Think last January, for example.

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” I don’t think that people should be forced to bankrupt themselves merely because they get old or sick. ”

What are you going to do with your wealth? Leave it to your kids who did not help out or to that beloved cat.

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td: “What does the military have to do with the economy? When you talk about economic systems (socialism, capitalism) then you talk about the difference in the amount of control and types of control the government has on capital. The military has nothing to do with this discussion.”

The military has EVERYTHING to do with the discussion. EVERYTHING.

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TC: Please explain how many of the individuals receiving benefits have actually “earned” them. I don’t know how you (or anyone) can possibly say such a thing in earnest.

TC — why don’t you just look it up for yourself? Oh wait, maybe because you’re lazy?

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Kam – well, Jerry Mather WAS The Beaver.

(sorry … too much?)

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Old Goober

‘Spoken like a good little Republican with Democratic pretensions.’

See, you don’t do a lot for your position when you attempt to categorize, demonize and dismiss. It’s about the argument and the facts, man -

” Your statement is true only if one subscribes to the view that we have the best possible healthcare system.”

Ummm… not, it’s not. Doesn’t even enter into the discussion. It’s about what we have NOW and the requirement that people use their assets for long-term care before asking others to contribute.

” I don’t think that people should be forced to bankrupt themselves merely because they get old or sick.”

So I’ll ask the question I’ve been asked: why should people be able to keep a second home, several cars, land, a stock portfolio, etc and not use any of it and expect others to pay for long-term care?

“That’s why I favor a single-payer system.”

So do I. So much for your earlier assumptions.

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Bro

Last Jan you played the same team. Not the same as this year.

I still say Bama but not sure if they cover the spread.

ND is a great team.

Bama has a few more weapons and that will probably be the difference imo.

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Ward, you were too hard on the beaver last night.

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USinUK
Jerry Mather was plying the beaver……

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USinUK

Favorite line from that TV series:

June Cleaver: Ward, I’m worried about The Beaver.

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Nope. I simply understand mathematics better than you do.

Well, I guess my public education is a route.

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getalfe 10:59
you win.

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“That’s irrelevant, if you mean “paid money for.” Eligibility is established (earned) by meeting criteria established by law.”

It is irrelevant in your mind. I understand that people are given benefits for which they have not worked or paid, but to say they have “earned” them is I think an interesting misuse of the English Language.

From Merriam Webster:

1
a : to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered
b : to bring in by way of return
2
a : to come to be duly worthy of or entitled or suited to
b : to make worthy of or obtain for

I guess to your way of thinking, being born in America is tantamount to “earning” benefits (rather than just saying being eligible to receive them). Saying someone earned something clearly implies they did something to get it. And that is simply not true in many case where benefits are extended today. I think it is misleading to say such a thing.

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TBS

I was referring to overlooking an opponent when I said that we rarely make the same mistake twice. My partisanship aside, the knock on comparing Texas A&M to ND is that, prior to the A&M game, we faced MS State and LSU. Bama is not running the SEC West gauntlet this time.

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We can’t even agree on the semantics about which we will base legislative compromise? I’m from the government and I’m here to help. It’s about the right to choose. The war powers act is inviolable. Democratic Republic vs Democracy vs Constitutional Republic vs……

The only thing Americans agree on is that everyone else’s opinion is worthless, while their opinion is gold, etched in stone, and forever beneficial to all of humankind. What? You’re talking? Shut up! I wanna talk.

And what did Jay actually say today? Alliances are made to be broken? I can’t find any point that isn’t already expressed, obvious, and completely absorbed by everyone during the accumulation of 100 trillion dollars in unfunded liablitilies our children will be taxed on. It’s in the zeitgeist now, and as every new baby is born, the debt hanging over them like the Sword of Damocles will be the instrument of fiscal briss that will cut short their future and oh, it’s gonna hurt. I think we should outlaw circumcision and avoid the penile cliff! and furthermore…….

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DDR – “read it for yourself(Gasp!!!)”

readin’??? he don’t need no stupid READIN’!!! he goes on faith!!!

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Stevie

Again, I think Bama will win, but SEC is down a little this year and Bama didn’t exactly play a monster schedule.

3 tough games…

2 of which they won: GA and LSU

I’m an SEC man, but will be surprised if Bama just beats up ND…

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Paul

Understood. I think Saban is on a mission to avenge The Bear on this one. Bryant was 0-4 against ND.

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readin’??? he don’t need no stupid READIN’!!! he goes on faith!!!

Hiya UsinUK!! Well, if he’s going on faith alone, it would explain his aversion to facts, science, and Math. Also his BroLove for Faux News and Breibart.com…..

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USinUk,
Just got your Parsnip soup recipe …Looks yummy and I’m going to try it out this weekend. Since I have to play the three legged man for another week, I’ve been doing soup pot meals…This one will do nicely!

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Hi there, DDR!

Oh crap, not a crap game with crappy calls? Crap.

I’m just hoping for a good, clean, hard-fought, close game, worthy of a championship matchup.

With lots and lots of play reviews.

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getalfe

January 7th, 2013
11:14 am

Hillary is back.

The speaker said defense cuts are good and he needs the speaker job like he needs a hole in his head.

Hagel and Brennen will be confirmed.

Life is good.

” GetaClue, It’s nice to see that you like Homophobes & bigots, go figure. “

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td – 10:33

You are complaining because “the Government regulates the entire healthcare industry”.

I’m simply pointing out that the Govt. also regulates and runs our Military.

If it’s ok for the Military, why is it not ok for healthcare?

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Williebkind: ” You know the communists always uses the word democracy when it acutally means dictatorship–or oligarchy”

Just communists?

http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/speeches/12.12.05.html

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Corbin – …Since I have to play the three legged man for another week…

too many possible comments to pick just one …That said, I don’t think chicks are digging you for your soup

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” GetaClue, It’s nice to see that you like Homophobes & bigots, go figure.”

I do like you cons but you are being too hard on yourself.

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Corbin – sort that knee OUT, man!!! Hope you’re feeling better, even if you are hobbling a bit. And, yes, the soup is totally yummy!! I made it for the mister on Saturday and he was all about it!

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JHM – “Don’t believe I suggested that they were.”

you didn’t … willieb did. in fact, he said HIS math was better than theirs … so I’m just askin

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DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

January 7th, 2013
11:21 am

” And where did that little tidbit come from? ” Michael Moore?

More like these….:

GAO
Military Commanders
Math
and the biggie — Wait for it…….
The Pentagon

Wait for it! Try showing actual facts, NAME DROPPER.

How about these names,
Granny,
Jay,
Kammy,
Carlos,
Stands,
GetaClue,
and a whole lot Moore, pun intended.

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Paul – for every bad call, I hope BAMMA gets mad and comes back with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlizzRM3ERg

That’ll stop bad calls in their tracks!

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and a little more about it here:

https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/27748/mccaskill_armed_services

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“GetaClue”

Who?

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USinUK — “you didn’t … willieb did. in fact, he said HIS math was better than theirs … so I’m just askin”

I don’t believe willie will ever show us his math. Assuming it actually exists and wasn’t just pulled out of his hindquarters.

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Brosephus

We’ve been having a “bad and worse” choice in American politics for many years now. One of the main problems is that politics has gotten so dirty and Big Money owned that good, principled people simply decline to run.

We’ve had the option for write-in candidates also for many years now but it’s made little or no difference.

The only solution I see is a third party that is manifestly NOT beholding to Big Business or Big Unions or any other special interests and honestly wants to serve the people.

Unfortunately, I don’t have the slightest idea how such a party could be formed.

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but, you know, $385B here … $385B there … soon you’re talking REAL WASTE.

but, yeah, let’s take it out of the hide of the poor and unemployed.

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TBS

Team members have said how they lacked intensity when prepping for A&M. I think there is a significant difference in prepping for three tough teams in three weeks vs preparing for one tough team over a month. ND will not be a cakewalk by any means. The O-line for Bama will be the key to their success or failure.

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Let’s do what Ronald Reagan did……. make make illegal aliens citizens eligible, and raise the tax revenue base !

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“Wait for it! Try showing actual facts, NAME DROPPER.”

see above links, aptly named half-a-brain.

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I we did as Reagan did and allowed illegals to become citizens..then they would increase the Social Security funding.

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“but, you know, $385B here … $385B there … soon you’re talking REAL WASTE Solyndra !”

$535M vs. $385B

right. no difference there at all.

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DebbieDoRight – A Do Right Woman

January 7th, 2013
11:32 am

How any sane human can suggest that our security would be compromised if we cut 20-25% out of defense budget is nuts.

Why do we need to spend more than the rest of the universe combined? Do we have that many threats? Are our shores at risk?

Cut the military 20% and all else 10% in the case of the latter, it only involves sqeezing out inefficiencies…we can do that without anyone getting hurt..

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man, what stage of con grief is this?

They’re STILL in Stage 1! You know they’re slow and pedantic — it could take MONTHS for them to reach Stage 2.

And then we’ll have to suggest that they get “help” from a licensed psychologist in order to cope.

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Peter

January 7th, 2013
11:35 am

Agree. Amnesty is only practical action. Arguably, since we haven’t enforced the immigration laws to any real extent, we should be estopped for doing so…Amnesty combined with real and serious closing of the borders is the only solution that can work..

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“Cut the military 20% and all else 10% in the case of the latter, it only involves sqeezing out inefficiencies…we can do that without anyone getting hurt..”

well, except for the lobbyists …

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Just another day of whiny fat kids begging for another cookie.

It’s amazing to me the complete avoidance of the debt issue by the left. You got your symbolic tax increase on the rich, now what? What are you going to do to address the huge budget deficit and the debt now that you’ve “won” but what you won is mere window dressing?

Begging for more cookies isn’t going to fix the problem, libs. Grow up, look in the mirror, and then tell us what the plan is.

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“Amnesty combined with real and serious closing of the borders is the only solution that can work.”

What did Yogi say? “It’s déjà vu all over again”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

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‘“Earned” is commonly used synonymously with ‘qualified for.”

You can “earn” a master’s degree or a merit badge – this does not connote paying for anything…

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getalfe
I am not in your blog name.

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We already have a legalized and practical immigration amnesty policy in the U.S., and it’s called “marriage”. One only has to marry a citizen who will file the necessary petition for you, and you will get your green card.

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erwin – 11:47 – when I was a college student, I was a summertime bank teller, handling thousands of dollars everyday (a huge deal when you’re 19). After a while, though, transactions totalling a hundred thousand dollars in a day didn’t phase me. I’m thinking that’s the way the DoD operates, as well – when your total budget is > $38B, millions here and there are sofa change.

http://comptroller.defense.gov/defbudget/fy2012/FY12_Green_Book.pdf

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“Looks like Kyle installed a selective moderation policy next door. Sorta like he is choosing who can post there. Multiple identities seems to be verboten there. Interesting to note the absences and finding them a JG’s today.”

I saw that Kamchak. I think he probably wasn’t too happy with my personae, either. I don’t think I will post there again until he loosens up. He should re-read Gulliver’s Travels as an adult with the understanding it is probably the greatest piece of satire ever written. I hope he doesn’t think “A Modest Proposal” should never have been written.

That said, trying to moderate a political blog is probably like trying to herd cats. The AJC likely needs a custom coded solution to all of the “evils” done by posters. It should be done programmatically by software.

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Kam – business needs a lift … think if it as thrift!

Republican cookies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnVd3wgTX0

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Let’s see how your Bushmaster works against the resources of the US Military, let alone the local police.

Got something planned?

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If there were a republican president the AJC would be full of stories about the poor long term unemployed who have not been able to get a job in the recession. There would be heartbreaking stories about the destruction of families and lives. Blacks would be marching in the streets outraged at the level of black unemployment. College campuses would be screaming about the lack of opportunity. Civil libertarians would be apoplectic about endless drone war.

But there is not a republican in office.

So the media is quiet like good little puppies. Well done, Jay.

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Speaking of ingredients, what the hell is a celeriac?

I hate it when a recipe calls for something you can’t easily get locally or without a listed alternative…Batali does it all the time

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Kamchak
celeriac is usually called celery root in the grocery story even though
that is an incorrect name…

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Wilbur

If there were a republican president the AJC would be full of stories about the poor long term unemployed who have not been able to get a job in the recession.

You mean a guy like Bush Jr who’s office said deficits don’t matter, and the reason we were in the recession, almost depression in the first place ?

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Cut too fast and we gets a ression. Cut too slow and we don’t make enough progress toward soling the budget deficit.
We nee a balanced approach. Where did I hear that lately . . . hmmmmm

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Cut too fast and we gets a ression. Cut too slow and we don’t make enough progress toward soling the budget deficit.
We nee a balanced approach. Where did I hear that lately . . . hmmmmm

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Hi Sinkwich! How are things in rubesville today?

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“Guerrilla and terror tactics would likely be used. Perhaps like what happened in Ireland.”

yeah. and hasn’t THAT worked out well.

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yeah. and hasn’t THAT worked out well.

WOLVERINES!

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Kam – 12:13 – seriously.

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USinUK, “we ARE talking about cuts”

Yea, right! We’ve been “talking” about alot of stuff, but until I see a real cut in a real bill, we’re just “talking”. You obviously haven’t notice the enormous disconnect between Obama flapping his gums on camera about cuts and there actually being any. Maybe you should stop listening to what Obama is telling you (basically what you want to hear), and start paying attention to what is actually being done.

Beg for another cookie, USinUK. Obama promises it won’t make you fatter.

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14 % real unemployment, 20 million looking for a job,47 million on food stamps,taxes being raised,spending increased,and no sign Obama wants to compromise on any of these.
Jay’s solution is to give Obama additional power ,he says that will will allow him to be more compromising with the Republicans.
Jay and anyone who agrees with that dribble are truly mindless dupes and are without one clue of how the economic pie is increased.
Her’s a clue Jay,it can’t be done by increasing the power of government, taking more money out of the system,or buying votes Europe tried it and we all know how that turned out.Someone said,
“The trouble with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money” we have and that’s the problem.

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Towncrier – 11:36

We do not know who the writers of The New Testament were.

The originals are long since lost. All we have is copies of copies.

Therefore, why does it matter what The New Testament says about anything since we don’t have the slightest idea who the authors are?

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I said this two weeks ago- prescription drugs and the correlation to violent crime. Hey why not- let’s ignore it, focus 100% on guns, that will cure it.

simple minds simple answers

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/the-giant-gaping-hole-in-sandy-hook-reporting/

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Looks like Kyle installed a selective moderation policy next door. Sorta like he is choosing who can post there. Multiple identities seems to be verboten there. Interesting to note the absences and finding them a JG’s today.

Well, good for him. I think people ought to be made to post under their real names, like I do. Except Redneck is a nickname. I don’t want people to know my first name is Elbert.

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Whirled Nut Daily is for simple minds.

Birther central.

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tom gambeski

You’ve swallowed the con, tom, hook, line, and wanker.

With the latest round of bipartisan austerity, Barack Obama the Democratic president will have presided over a contraction in the size of government to the smallest it has been since the Eisenhower era.

What say you to that, tom? Don’t have an answer, do you? Perhaps that’s because you have other psychological needs to construe the problem as one of “government” growing apace, of moochers among minorities, etc., and to ignore the real problem which is a vicious predatory oligarchic elite with tentacles that reach throughout the entire political system.

So, tell me, tom, why are you bothered by “government” growing too large and not by the trillions of our money handed to the banks to continue lavish profitability?

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“So, tell me, tom, why are you bothered by “government” growing too large and not by the trillions of our money handed to the banks to continue lavish profitability?”

and you are not allowed to use the words “makers” and “takers” in your answer.

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JamVet @ 8:33 a.m.:

It smells of napalm in the morning… They love it.

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Nothin seems to be working in Greece, Italy and Spain, and has not for a long time. Going to be a longroad ahead.

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LetEnter your comments here

Let the spending cuts kick in. We can afford to since taxes have been raised some.

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I was alive and working when Reagan granted amnesty to the illegals-and I know for a fact that the direct results were more illegal immigrants came and took our jobs and kept manual labor and skilled jobs at 1986 wages.

Yep, I saw it too.

It happened because the 1986 amnesty had no teeth in the law to back it up. If we start making business owners and property owners start doing the perp walk to prisons like The Atl. Penitentiary or Reidsville, and not minimum security facilities, then maybe people will stop hiring illegals and they will make sure that illegals are not working on their property.

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I suppose this is another “victory’ for the budget crisis, but come on folks…these are our kids.

Veterans Vow Continued Fight to Fix VA

Supreme Court Denies Hearing on Suicidal Veterans Turned Away from VA

For Immediate Release
January 7, 2013
Contact: 202-558-4553

Washington, DC – On Friday, January 4, 2013, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the landmark case brought by Veterans for Common Sense (VCS) and Veterans United for Truth VUFT on behalf of Veterans delayed and denied medical care and benefits by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA).

Originally filed in July 2007, the VCS – VUFT lawsuit highlighted the chronic delays and denials for specific conditions associated with the tidal wave of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and traumatic brain injury (TBI) casualties resulting from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. In response to the Court’s decision, VCS issued the following statement.

VA remains mired in crisis, and Veterans will continue fighting to reform VA so that no veteran waits for VA healthcare or benefits. We are deeply disappointed the Court did not hear the urgent plea of suicidal Veterans who face delays of months, and often years, seeking VA assistance. Although significant improvements were made in some areas within VA, such as a suicide hotline set up after our lawsuit that rescued 23,000 distraught Veterans, the nation’s second largest department remains in deep crisis due to decades of underfunding and a lack of significant Congressional oversight of VA’s $140 billion per year budget.

Although Veterans lost on a technicality, no one disputes the number of preventable Veteran deaths associated with VA’s negligence. Last year, the families of nearly 20,000 Veterans were paid disability benefits after the Veterans died. A shocking 18 Veterans commit suicide every day. More than 12,000 veterans call VA for suicide prevention each month. During our nation’s worst economic disaster in 80 years, more than 1.1 million Veterans still await VA disability claim decisions. Of those, 900,000 cases wait an average of nine months for a new or re-opened claim decision, plus an additional 250,000 cases wait four more years for an appealed claim decision. VA’s Inspector General reported in 2012 that VA makes errors in approximately 30 percent of VA’s claim decisions. While our Veterans wait, they remain unable to pay their mortgage or rent, and face great challenges feeding their families.

Let us hope VA Secretary Eric Shinseki and Congressional leaders make sure VA has the funding, staffing, laws, regulations, training, and oversight urgently needed so no more Veterans die while waiting.

Originally filed in July 2007, Veterans for Common Sense v. Shinseki went to trial in April 2008 before Senior Federal District Court Judge Samuel Conti. Despite finding that “the VA may not be meeting all of the needs of the nation’s Veterans,” Judge Conti concluded that the power to remedy the crisis facing Veterans lies with the other branches of government, including Congress and the Secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs. In May 2011, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the District Court’s decision, and berated VA for the staggering 18 Veteran suicides each day. However, in May 2012, an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of VA.

On September 5, 2012, Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans United for Truth, represented pro bono by Morrison & Foerster LLP and Disability Rights Advocates, submitted a petition for writ of certiorari requesting the Supreme Court to review the Ninth Circuit’s en banc decision. The issue presented to the Supreme Court was whether the Veterans Judicial Review Act allows Veterans to challenge in federal court the systemic delays in the VA’s provision of mental health care and death and disability compensation. On January 7, the Supreme Court announced that it denied the petition for writ of certiorari, thereby bringing an end to this landmark case.

The issue of prompt PTSD care is vital for recently returning veterans. Up to 30 percent of returning Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans may return home with PTSD, according to a recent Stanford University Study, or as many as 750,000 of the 2.5 million deployed to war in the past 11 years. A new 2008 law, advocated by VCS, provides up to five years of free VA care after deployment to a war zone. A new 2010 VA regulation, prompted by a VCS petition to VA, provides streamlined PTSD claims processing based on scientific research.

Suicidal Veterans and Veterans who don’t know where to get help for PTSD can call VA’s Crisis Line at 800-273-TALK.

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Please visit our website for the latest news and developments: http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org

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USinner

Maybe this one will help out a bit…

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/zero-10-year-us-job-creation/

“For the first time since the Depression, the American economy has added virtually no jobs in the private sector over a 10-year period. The total number of jobs has grown a bit, but that is only because of government hiring.

The accompanying charts show the job performance from July 1999, when the economy was booming and companies were complaining about how hard it was to find workers, through July of this year, when the economy was mired in the deepest and longest recession since World War II. For the decade, there was a net gain of 121,000 private sector jobs, according to the survey of employers conducted each month by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In an economy with 109 million such jobs, that indicated an annual growth rate for the 10 years of 0.01 percent.”

That was published on Aug 8, 2009.

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“I think he probably wasn’t too happy with my personae, either.”

Confirmed. I just tried to post on Kyle’s blog and my comment is “awaiting moderation.” Wow. That’s nuts. I didn’t use any profanity (never do) in my posts, I didn’t call anyone a name, I didn’t jack anyone’s name and I probably strove to engage in debate as much as anyone online. I did, however, use a few personae for satiric purposes. And that, apparently, is verboten. Well, if I’m going to post on a local blog, it’s Jay or the highway. Man, that is amazing. Kyle is driving off people who probably agree with much he has to say. Perhaps I’ll send an email off to Mr. Riley.

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Not sure where Christian Conservative got his job creation numbers, but here’s a 2010 piece from the National Review, and even they don’t give Bush as much credit as CC does.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy#

Let’s look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

Under Bush, private employment shrank by 673,000 jobs, federal employment grew by 50,000 jobs, and government employment grew by 1,753,000 jobs.

Seems as though even the National Review states that private sector jobs shrank under Bush over his 8 years.

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“That’s because they are cooking the books.”

The BLS is using the same method of counting unemployment they’ve used for 30 years.

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No jobs are being created they can’t sell.t because there is little demand. Consumers have to have money to buy. No one is going to make things they can not sell.
The things that are bought, come from China. Cozts to much to hire loals.

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“We do not know who the writers of The New Testament were.”

We do, in fact, know who wrote many of not most of the NT. The authorship of some “books” (or letters) is not known with certainty.

“The originals are long since lost. All we have is copies of copies.”

As with all ancient manuscripts. We have many, many more copies of the NT (in bits and pieces) and much closer to the date of their assumed composition than any other ancient literature by far.

“Therefore, why does it matter what The New Testament says about anything since we don’t have the slightest idea who the authors are?”

If that is what you think, then throw it in the garbage and do as Paul recommends to nonbelievers: “eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.”

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“And Ayn Rand was a drug addled methamphetamine addict.”

bless her heart.

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Brosephus™: “Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy”:

You act as though the National Review showed Oblama in a good light. Did you read it… It points out how pathetic he has been just like most sane economists have.. Plus its two years old

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“Term Limits”…

Whoooo hoooo… Democracy for the lazy. Nothing but the best for the Honey Boo Boo society.

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And another thing. Don’t forget.

Respect Saban!

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If the government shuts down a lot of people will miss their SS checks,and a lot of retired and disabled veterans will suffer. And people who depend on medicare and medicaid.
Not tomention the farmers who wanr their checks for not growing things.

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Thulsa – 1:01 – before you start peeing on the tree, you might want to actually check out the link. This was for ALL unemployed – including those who had “dropped off”

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

doomstrike?

more like dump that needs to be flushed.

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Christian Conservative

You act as though I claimed the National Review showed Obama in a good light. Do you care to show where I ever claimed as such, or is that yet another fact nugget from pulledoutofmyass.com?

I simply posted that to show the PRIVATE SECTOR job creation under Bush. You claimed a much better number than that GOP cheerleading site claimed.

Christian Conservative
January 7th, 2013
12:35 pm

Bush 43 administration: 1.95 million
Oblama administration: 28,000

You were asked about private sector job creation, and you posted that Bush created 1.95 million. The National Review took information from the BLS and stated he lost over 673,000 jobs.

I thought that based on the previous thread that td was the only person who got the Capt. Picard goalposts with enhanced warp drive, but your goalposts move just as fast.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand with that … I’m outtie …

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“Not to mention the farmers who want their checks for not growing things.”

Catch-22 is, I think, the antidote for the kind of liberalism that places undue faith in government. I wonder how many people here have even read it?

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Would be fun for Obama to nominate Mitt Romney to replace Geithner at Treasury just to watch the GOP oppose him.

Heh, heh, heh.

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Kamchak

Check out the last page of the previous thread. I commented on something td said about billionaires. He responded to my comment about billionaires with an example using thousandaires. Epic hyperdrive on the goalposts.

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“Catch-22 is, I think, the antidote for the kind of liberalism that places undue faith in government.”

This American classic is an indictment of the military hierarchy, not government. I’m not saying some of the issues don’t “cross over.” But to claim the book is about government is just wrong.

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Look at the the work force participation rate under Oblama. Yes the economy is booming…

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

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Look how the work force participation rate has fallen under Oblama… Yes the economy is booming.. LOL…

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

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Christian Conservative

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The work force ration under Oblama… This is sad.. really sad.. but the media tells us the economy is booming…..

65.7 to 63.6

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Just going to throw this out there: Maybe if Repubicans wanted to pick the SecofDef, they should have picked a better presidential candidate

Heh, heh, heh.

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To quote Dan Patrick….

“He gets… da whiff!”

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The work force ration under Oblama…

We’re already rationing people??? OMG!!!! I’m going to unplug myself from the Matrix right now!!!

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“Just as soon as you work on your honesty skills”

There goes Joe being all ironical again.

“Relying on any one statistic — such as you have long done with the unemployment rate — is pretty much proof of dishonesty”

Couldn’t agree with you more Joe. Reminds me of all the livlibs who proudly talk about the unemployment rate falling while all the time dishonestly or ignorantly(pick your choice) ignoring the reason why it is falling- because so many people gave up looking and no longer count in the unemployment numbers. Talk about dishonesty. Jeez.

And while you may not like it because you have no real counter argument against it the cold, hard fact remains- the labor force participation rate is the lowest in 30 years. Those are the facts. And they are not in dispute.

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BBL

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The gop will pass the immigration reform to try to get the Latino vote.

The cuts are triggered for when our economy can take them and not fall back to a recession.

Our country is on the right track but the job reports sux and we can do better if the gop stop the obstruction.

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I said years ago this would be the next big push ……… when you can’t draw the line somewhere (and you normalize perversion) you can’t draw it anywhere.

Just a matter of time ……………….. this is the battle our kids and grandkids will fight.

http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/337010/normalizing-pedophilia

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Doom — “There goes Joe being all ironical again.”

Maybe it will inspire some honesty in you. Then again, I’m not holding my breath.

“Couldn’t agree with you more Joe. Reminds me of all the livlibs who proudly talk about the unemployment rate falling while all the time dishonestly or ignorantly(pick your choice) ignoring the reason why it is falling- because so many people gave up looking and no longer count in the unemployment numbers. Talk about dishonesty. Jeez.”

You can blame them all you like, because *I’ve* never said that, your dishonest attempt to misrepresent my position (yet again) notwithstanding.

I’ve been quite clear with you over the last year-plus; the employment records of both Bush and Obama are crap. Neither one can be cogently argued to be better than the other, your repeated attempts notwithstanding.

“And while you may not like it because you have no real counter argument against it the cold, hard fact remains- the labor force participation rate is the lowest in 30 years.”

Don’t need a counter-argument since — as you repeatedly fail to understand — I’m not arguing against it. However, the use of a single data point = dishonesty on your part, which you just agreed with above. Remember?

Couldn’t agree with you more Joe.

“Those are the facts. And they are not in dispute.”

Neither is the fact that use of a single data point = dishonesty.

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