Chuck Hagel the right man at the right time

OO! FIRST!

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Most of all, Hagel is a questioner by nature, and he is more willing to follow where the answers lead him than are most in the nation’s Capitol.

I changed my mind. THOSE are the people we need in office and cabinet positions.

ALL of the people in Washington should think like this. Or, at least most of them should.

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I guess Jay received his marching orders…

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I guess Jay received his marching orders…

drudgey spammers say, “What?”

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I didnt know that questioning a foreign government’s leadership made you anti-Semitic. I think we have every right to question a foreign government’s leadership, especially if you are supplying 3/4 of their defense budget .

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“I guess Jay received his marching orders…”

If you have nothing to say, please don’t say it…

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By nominating a Republican ex-senator to a top Cabinet position, Obama can claim credit for a gesture of bipartisanship. To the degree that Senate Republicans erupt in outrage, attempting to bar their former colleague from service on grounds of being insufficiently conservative, they cement their image as extremists unwilling to compromise.

so we are appointing top cabinet positions to just make the other side look bad?

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I think Hagel is well qualified and would make a good secretary of defense. I much prefer him to John Kerry. Unfortunately, it appears he’ll have a difficult time from both sides of the aisle.

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ADAM

Be careful about identifying as independent. As I have learned, be prepared to get labeled as dirty GOP or DEM even if you consistently take the same positions which cross party lines..

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Most entertaining will be watching Jennifer Rubin–a one-trick pony if ever there was one–absolutely lose her ever-loving mind as Hagel’s confirmation becomes reality.

It’s fascinating that the same folks who become amorously aroused simply by saying the words “national sovereignty” are ready to farm out any aspect of our defense & foreign policies to a small Middle Eastern nation that is perpetually on the brink of war.

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Kam and Reg,

I don’t really care what happens with Hagel. I do find it instructive that Jay conveniently falls in place in his regular spot in the soap opera. Thus, the marching orders…

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Oops

so we are appointing top cabinet positions to just make the other side look bad?

Mitch McConnell says, “What?” “the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.”

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Is it possible to be anti-Zionist and not be labeled anti-semite?

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I do find it instructive that Jay conveniently falls in place in his regular spot in the soap opera.

I do find it instructive that you conveniently ignore the drudgey spammers. Thus, their marching orders…

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Simple Truths

You posted on a open forum, sport.

You wanna address Jay directly, try email.

Town crybaby.

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I still can’t stop laughing at Mc Cains response…..

He has serious issues with Hagel.

The man who gave us the demi-term Governor of Alaska as a VP candidate….Will wonders never cease.

That said, they’ll be some silliness, but both nominations will be approved.

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kept man?

wealthy wife envy!

silly, silly, silly

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This Hagel quote is still awesome: The Bush administration is the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus—almost every area of any presidency in the last forty years.

THAT is why the man deserves to be SecDef.

He is as smart and able as they were incompetent and deadly…

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td

Not what you agree with or do not agree with in regards to your opinion, please cite the actually law(s) Kerry broke to be deemed a traitor then tell us why he wasn’t charged?

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He’s a politician. Reason enough NOT to like him without even knowing the party affiliation.

Let’s see. President “He-Who-Can-Do-No-Wrong is planning on raising taxes again instead of addressing the spending problem.

Boehner wins a second go-round as Speaker. How did that happen? Has there ever, and I do mean ever, been a worse Speaker of the House? Ever? John, please take the marbles out of your mouth and get a clue.

Clayton County elects Victor Hill. Need I say more?

Any wonder we’re in the shape we’re in?

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Any wonder we’re in the shape we’re in?

I blame the middle age spread.

I have new year’s resolved to walk the local rails-to-trails.

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Doesn’t much matter if he’s SecDef or not. At least he no longer can vote squishy in the Senate.

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If anyone was curious about Hagel’s current take on those idiotic comments he’d made about the ambassador to Belgium…

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/hagel-apologizes-about-remarks-against-gay-diplomat/

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I posted earlier the Nebraska community’s response.

Guess I missed it, sorry.

Ever been to Nebraska?

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“Although he voted in favor of the invasion of Iraq, he quickly became a harsh critic of the conduct of that war.”

Nothing wrong with that.

“Most of all, Hagel is a questioner by nature, and he is more willing to follow where the answers lead him than are most in the nation’s Capitol.”

Sounds like the kind of a guy that we need. I may have to applaud Obama on this choice.

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Standing next to Jane Fonda is a capital offense?

Did you learn that at your “let’s all get together and listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio” college jerk club?

Or was it in The Newterator’s KFC KSU class?

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The day he showed up and stood next to Jane Fonda he should have been hanged.

Fortunately you cowards can’t get away with that anymore…

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Because Sarah Palin has yet to weigh in on Hagel, the new interest rate policy, and the platinum coin, America is paralyzed with uncertainty

Heh, heh, heh.

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Josef

Is it possible to be anti-zionist and not be anti-semite?

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At least Kerry had the cojones to go to Vietnam and complete his time as a combat platoon leader. Then he availed himself of the right all of us cherish, the right to free speech. I don’t agree with most of his politics but its a danged sight better than the weasely crap that W pulled with the Alabama National Guard. His Daddy may be a bonafide war hero, but he was a coward, unlike Mr Kerry.

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Did one of the AJC’s IT guys leave his PB&J sandwich in the server?

Geez this site is wonky.

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Kerry is a total traitor to the country and is a kept man. Do we really what that type of weakness highlighted around the world?

Seriously? I mean, weren’t you on here singing the praises of the Original Kept Man, Newt -I -Divorced -My-First -Wife – Who -Put -Me-Through-College -On- Her -Lousy-Teacher’s-Salary-For -Wife#2 -Then-Dumped-Her -For-Some -Chick-With – Money Gingrich?’

Seriously?

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I never did quite get around to figuring out what all the middle eastern leaders meant by the term “Zionist” (when talking about US, Europe, etc). The best I can tell is that it means those that think Israel should be a country.

Is the term only meant to mean “Israel should exist” or does it have a different meaning?

You know, just so I can be sure and not assume.

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These blogs have connection issues.

He was against Iraq so the neocons are crying.

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josef

My aircard decided to update software today, so I had my paranoia also.

But other sites are acting normally, so it has to be here.

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wealthy wife envy!

Hey, I am envious of both Kerry AND McCain, that way. I’ll own up to it.

Kerry’s wife did NOT look happy at his SOS announcement. She looked like she’d rather be anywhere but there.

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Geez this site is wonky.

Thanks Kam!! I was about to ask somebody about that .Whew I thought it was my computer.

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td

Is there a reason that you were unable or unwilling to cite the law(s) that Kerry broke and why he was not charged for them?

I specifically asked you to refrain from your opinion and cite the facts in regards to the laws broke that made him a “traitor”.

You made the assertion. Is it as usual too hard for you to back hyperbole and talk points?

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Howdy josef! Happy Monday! Saw the article in AJC on how GREAT Georgia’s teacher’s are — thought about you when i read it.

SIDE: Also saw the article where the Conned said the numbers were “skewered”. Typical.

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LOGICAL

Just pay attention to who’s using the term, in what context, and the rest of the wording in what they say.

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td

Should all veterans of any war that speak out be “run out of the country”? What exact laws can you cite or as usual is this just more of your keyboard commando bravado?

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Nebraska cons are crazy. But they are not even in the same league as these fanatics in Dixie.

I remember Andy going all RINO over Hagel after the highly decorated (Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry, two Purple Hearts, Army Commendation Medal, and the Combat Infantryman Badge) senator made that observation vis a vis the Iraq surge and the greatest foreign policy blunder since Viet Nam.

My one reservation about him is that he joined in with the other 97% of Republicans and allowed that Imbecile in Charge to go in there in the first place.

An error in judgement so egregious, it is hard to overlook…

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Cherokee

I would think the same thing about saving lives…

I celebrate the anti-vietnam war protestors.

The helped to end that mess to be sure.

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Towncrier — “Careful now, JV – some people here do not credit claims of combat veterans being spit upon by Vietnam War protesters and will likely disregard your comparison.”

I can speak for myself, Towncrier.

And if you want to revisit that discussion, you can certainly chase down some of the claims yourself, as I did.

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Horseface may have “loathed” the military like Slick Willie but at least he wore the uni so he gets some points for that. However those points are deducted, and then some, for falsely accusing so many fine Americans of war criminality.

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Lindsey Graham says this is an “in your face” move by the president. Like who cares about his face.
The president gets to nominate the individual whom he believes will best serve the nation in that position. They went after Susan Rice as though the president’s only concern should be who Republicans want. Enough of these whiney people. The republicans have been on a four year temper tantrum and the people are sick of them.

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Reinstate the draft without a college exemption and watch all the young conservative chickenhawks become isolationists

Heh, heh, heh.

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“Oh I forgot, he’s pals with Obama. That also makes him imminently qualified.”

Harriet Miers anyone?

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Nominating someone to spin a narrative is a stupid reason to pick them for an incredibly important job.

Condoleezza Rice says, “What?”

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

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J. Reb — “America . . . the leader of Right”

What do you mean by this, exactly?

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Wow! That was fast! An Attack site is up already about Chuck Hagel!

At least we know one thing the Conned can do quickly, (nothing else though), and that’s smear someone’s name!

Hagel On Israel

Chuck Hagel has sought to distance the United States from Israel, blame Israel for Palestinian terrorism, pressure Israel to surrender territory and retreat to indefensible borders, and has …

http://www.chuckhagel.com/

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Flip flop Barney Frank opposed Hagel 24 hours ago. Today Frank supports the Hagel nomination.

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And if you want to revisit that discussion, you can certainly chase down some of the claims yourself, as I did.

JHM,
Just ask Corbin Sharpe (aka Normal). His word is good enough for me.I never got spit on but could not get a town pass unless 3 of us went together for protection.And this was here at home!!!!!

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Yes, Harry Reid is an idiot

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2013/01/vitter-reids-an-idiot-153518.html?hp=l2

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“working as hard as he can to relegate us to a has-been power”…..that’s just stupid.

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JM

Well, as Big Daddy says, “Why New Yorkers have a rep for being blunt”

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DDR

While it looks like I may be getting through here, if you still have my address, shoot me an e-mail. I can’t find yours in my address book. Got something to talk to ya about…thanks…

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“I can speak for myself, Towncrier.”

And don’t we all know that.

“And if you want to revisit that discussion, you can certainly chase down some of the claims yourself, as I did.”

Let’s establish where we are on this debate. I think this Wiki article summarizes it well enough:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

Last time we discussed this, I suggested you actually contact Lindgren and see if he could not provide you with copies (if he had them of the articles he cites). If you haven’t, perhaps I will.

As I said, I have a hard time imagining how a prominent law professor would publicly cite articles as evidence (with the name of the paper and dates) that did not actually exist – to publicly make things up, in other words – in response to a book written by Lembcke (the above alluded to The Spitting Image):

http://www.volokh.com/posts/1170928927.shtml (be sure to follow all of the links)

But you apparently do not. That has been the main point of contention between us. I am surprised that, if Lindgren was lying, he has not been debunked by now. Perhaps no one cares enough to investigate. Or maybe he wasn’t lying. Ina any case, we cannot both be right, just as Lembcke and Lindgren cannot be right. Since the former is essentially trying to prove a negative, all that is required to invalidate his claims is to validate even some of Lindgren’s.

Let me see if I cannot validate two or three of his sources independently (if I am unable to contact Lindgren). Obviously, it will be hard to do if archived articles are not freely available on the Internet. It will require calling the publishers (if they still exist) and seeing if they will mail me a copy of the article(s) or paying for subscriptions.

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“Oops, Reid not Hagel”

Reid, schmeid, Hagel, schmagel.

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The MRI exam of Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III’s right knee suggests that he suffered partial tears of his anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments, according to several people with knowledge of the test results.

Ruh, roh.

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Reid, schmeid, Hagel, schmagel.

Sock-puppet, schmock-puppet.

Go on over next door to Kyle’s and share your wit.

Oh, that’s right, he doesn’t allow sock-puppeteers there any more.

:lol;

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“On the other hand, the claim by some that Hagel is somehow anti-Israel or even anti-Semitic because he has been willing to question … ”

Strictly speaking though this is not really “on the other hand” at all, as the attempts to smear Hagel as anti-gay and those attempting to paint him as anti-semitic areot simply opposite sides of the same coin, and in some cases appear to have been originated from the same place: abject deference to the pro-Israel lobby.

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Danny

That’s the hard way. Nobody does things the hard way anymore.

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Damn, I shoulda bought stock in that whitewash company…

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“But td just said another highly decorated United States combat veteran – one who volunteered for Viet Nam – should be hung.”

I don’t think being a highly decorated veteran exempts anyone from criticism or blame for things done later in life as a civilian – just as I don’t think OJ’s Heisman trophy and illustrious professional career exempts him from being prosecuted for crimes he committed (an extreme example, but I use it intentionally to make my point). That said, I can find no reason to want to “hang” Hagel and think all such talk is misguided.

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Upchuck

January 7th, 2013
6:08 pm

Dang, that’s witty…it made me…uuuhhh….[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…
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You may want to get that checked out.

Frequent urination and difficulty starting and maintaining a stream may be early signs of prostate issues.

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I think it’s pretty much reflexive for Republicans.

Heck, if Reagan were reincarnated and nominated today’s Republicans would vote for him.

Maybe if Hagel said ‘wouldn’t it be swell if we went to war against Iran and made Israel a state?” Republicans would say “well, in that case, maybe he’d make an okay SecDef” -

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bookman parrot

January 7th, 2013
6:19 pm

jay, it is “amazing” how often you agree with the messiah Barack. Must be coincidence.
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No coincidence. It’s called propaganda eminating from the Obama White House and spread by the NY Times, Associated Press, MSNBC, et al, and major blogs spots that is picked up by smaller organizations like Jay and the AJC. In fact, it would not be surprising that the Jayster receive emails from the White House or their stooges giving the talking points.

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Reinstate the draft without a college exemption and watch all the young conservative chickenhawks become isolationists

Well, Saturday I went and got a haircut and my barber Buddy Loamster told me he thought if there was still a draft that Conn. killer wouldn’t of shot those kids because he’d be in the army getting straightened out. I thought to myself, Just what we need. A crazy getting taught how to shoot automatic weapons and kill people.

Anyhow, I see where this appeals court refused to hear a case where a lower court decided it was illegal to bring guns into church. Now I know alot of people you need to protect yourself from, but Christians are the most dangerous of the bunch. If you don’t beleive me, just be on the road near a church around 11 on Sunday morning when a bunch of hungry, bored Christians go dashing out to find something to eat. They’ll turn you into a pancake in nothing flat.

Besides, you got to know Sin to do anything about it, and Christians know it real good. It’s sorta the same reason I would never go to any dating site but ChristianMingle.com if I was young and looking for a wild woman.

Have a good night everybody. I thought for awhile Bookman had done Wingfield one better. He’d figured out a way to shut down a whole server to keep people from posting.

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“Yes, Harry Reid is an idiot.”

He is not an idiot (very, very few people are mentally handicapped in that way). He just unthinkingly and unwisely says things that 1) he shouldn’t 2) aren’t true and 3) are attempts to manipulate others – just as we all have. The big difference is he does it on the national stage, in full public view. He obviously shouldn’t be the majority leader of the Senate as he is often shamelessly embarrassing. I guess the more important question is: why is he the elected leader?

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“You may want to get that checked out. Frequent urination and difficulty starting and maintaining a stream may be early signs of prostate issues.”

Thanks for the tip. How long have you had “prostrate issues”?

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“Hey Republicans. If you want to pick the cabinet try winning an election!”

Dang! I could have had a V-8!

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Vitter: Both Hurricanes had lots of water, destruction, rebuilding etc. Temp in La= 70-90Deg Temp in NJ 30-40 deg Jersey a winner by 30 -6o degrees. Try camping out with temps in the 30’s and wet ground!

I had relatives on the coast in Mississippi and they got by just fine…one was a fireman who aw encountered it all. He would have froze to death!.

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Adam
The President should be able to have the Cabinet he wants.

I like you, barking frog, and this is not a dig at you specifically, but…

I would like to point out this is one of those rare times I have seen a left-wing talking point get so much play. This one is repeated almost verbatim and I do not like that.
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I do not read nor repeat taking points either liberal or conservative. Cabinet
appointments should be the purview of the President only unless some
matter so egregious that the nominee would be unable to serve capably
the appointment should be confirmed. Appointments outside the cabinet
such as the Supreme Court should be considered in a different manner.
Too bad you evidently don’t have the experience of team cohesion to
understand this.

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JamVet 6:47
Some people wake up in a brand new world every single day, and it is
filled with cookies.

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I see Republicans have come a long way. Before the invention of religion, they would have called President Obama a warlock instead of their Messiah.

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If the Senate votes in favor of the new rule that has been proposed by Sen. Harking (D-IA) that merely states if a senator wants to filibuster, he can do so for 3 days; if longer, a vote is taken and with 55 votes the filibuster is ended; if not, the senator has 3 additional days with 51 votes needed to end the filibuster. Along with this action, the senator that chooses to filibuster a bill has to stand in the well and speak for the time that has been allocated.

For all of you that do not understand, current Senate rules allow one to threaten a filibuster which requires 61 votes to override and they are not required to speak.

Here is a partial record of the maleficence by the Repubs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/republicans-filibuster-ev_b_2018663.html

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“Well, Saturday I went and got a haircut and my barber Buddy Loamster told me he thought if there was still a draft that Conn. killer wouldn’t of shot those kids because he’d be in the army getting straightened out. I thought to myself, Just what we need. A crazy getting taught how to shoot automatic weapons and kill people.”

First of all, I thought neo-nazi, racist and homophobic troglodytes (otherwise known as conservatives) would all “know” that a draft makes men out of boys (even psychotic ones), so I am having considerable difficulty crediting your story. It sounds made up to me. The only thing that makes sense is you revealing the name of your barber – because cons don’t care one bit about the universal right of privacy explicitly guaranteed by implied by inferred from the Constitution. Just who else are you planning to “out” Mister???

“Anyhow, I see where this appeals court refused to hear a case where a lower court decided it was illegal to bring guns into church.”

Guns should be completely outlawed, genius. The 2nd Amendment was actually meant only to apply to men in a state militia in 1787. That’s it. Anyone who think otherwise is just being willfully ignorant and stupid. I mean, how can anyone NOT see THAT???

“Now I know alot of people you need to protect yourself from, but Christians are the most dangerous of the bunch.”

Finally, you are making some sense. They are nothing but a bunch of backward-thinking homophobes. Muslims are no where near as fanatical as people in the 700 Club. I know we are supposed to be for tolerance, but in this case we need to make an exception. I say let’s not only censor all of those insane right wing talk show hosts, but all of the Christians as well. We need to have reasonable restrictions upon free speech.

“Besides, you got to know Sin to do anything about it, and Christians know it real good.”

You are only justifying my previous point, RC. What in the world is “sin”? What an incredibly stupid concept. People, like dogs, are just animals. They weren’t created. The evolved somehow (don’t ask me to explain speciation – you have to have a PhD to comprehend or even critique the concept) from single cell organisms. That should be evident to all. Only a moron would not see how much like monkeys we humans are. So, there really can’t be any right or wrong in an absolute sense. We are born and then we die and become dirt. I am SO sick of all of the nutty religious myths.

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That perpetually warmongering and neocon-CIA infested Washington Post thinks he’s too dovish…..
he might be a good choice for the rest of us….

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Well, it’s almost game time. Goodnight all.

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JohnnyReb you have to win the election before you have the leverage to get your agenda accomplished. You also need to make damn sure half of the biggest voting block you have doesn’t die before the next election.

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PAUL

“Why the assumption Hagel’s opposed to strikes on people like Awlaki? ”

Or his 16 year old son, for that matter…he looked kinda sissy to me…

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It’d be nice if people who reposted stuff demonstrate an ability to think and analyze what their reposting, especially when the pieces are so…. mindless.

Well Paul, it might help if you recall that young Thomas posted this as a plausible story.

http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/11/11/cia-admits-drone-strike-killed-six-in-wisconsin-wedding-party/

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Now for some sad news for the progressives on the blog: The everything to do with money guru of the left has decided he does not want to be the next Treasury Secretary.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/krugman-passes-treasury-secretary-job-wasnt-offered-it-anyway_694067.html

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You should quit embarressing[sic] yourself.

Oh, the irony.

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josef

it’s kinda risky to hang with guys who drones are looking for -

Kamchak

But isn’t ‘Wisconsin’ kinda like “Waziristan’?

Heyward

“Just because you claim that the CIA is somehow isolated from the presidency and/or the defense department doesn’t mean that everyone else is as mentally retarded.”

What I AM suggesting is not that, but people who suggest that is what I suggested have a bit of mental difficulty.

You may want to familiarize yourself with how the process for CIA and Defense work, who provides oversight, how the different systems develop and how overall policy is set (HINT: it is NOT initiated by the SecDef…)

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Kamchak @ 7:18

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Y’all used to jump Hagel pretty good when he was just another Republican senator. Now that he has been anointed by president kardashian, he has been moved to the A list, much like Petraeus (formerly General “Betray Us” to the democrats). Must have something on Hagel to make him usable in this position.

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td

What is your ASSumption it’s ‘progressives’ based upon?

Simple question.

See, I live in Texas. Not exactly a progressive bastion. Just elected Ted Cruz as a senator and we have people who want science textbooks to have pictures of the Garden of Eden and Adam petting a brontosaurus. And…. these schools hand out all kinds of participation medals. So do the city-sponsored youth leagues.

So… why’d you say it’s ‘progressives’ doing it?

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Well, there’s that and the fact predators attack weddings there.

I stand sit, corrected.

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In Texas, Flintstones reruns are considered documentaries?

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Recon 0311 2533

January 7th, 2013
7:42 pm

She was indeed brave but before I make her SOD I would make her learn about having the correct firepower to make sure a scumbag is not able to get up and make it to his car after being shot 5 times.

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Brosephus™: “Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy”

January 7th, 2013
7:48 pm

td talking about narcissism….

Wrong again my friend. I know I am not the best at anything. Just an average man working hard to make a living that is very lucky to have a beautiful wife and great kids that are going to smarter then I am.

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Hey Brosephus!

Was just about to sign off. Just kinda flipping between this and work and not doing much with either. Anyhow, good game to you and yours. I am looking forward to it, mo chara -

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td

“and great kids that are going to smarter then I am.”

Regardless of the political differences of those on this board, there are things like that that transcend (and unite) us all.

Kamchak

Bazinga? Another Big Bang fan, eh?

Keep

depends on where the horsey sounds came from….

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td,

She was only armed with .38 caliber wheel gun but she did well with it. I prefer .45 cal. ACP’s in my Springfield Armory XD. My wife has a .40 cal. XD.

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Kamchak

Just got the five season DVD set.

Kaley in her Wonder Woman costume was worth the whole thing.

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and as far as that woman and her gun, just another reason why we need at least 30-round clips. 50 would be better. Especially for sissy calibers or for people who’re lousy shots. If a guy can still get way after taking five, then dang, gotta get more rounds on target.

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With 5 38 caliber bullets in his face the only reason he is
alive is that he is lucky. She can guard my house anytime.

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barking frog

January 7th, 2013
8:06 pm

With 5 38 caliber bullets in his face the only reason he is
alive is that he is lucky. She can guard my house anytime.

She hit him in the liver, stomach and lung with 3 of the shots and there was at least on head shot according to WSB news.

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Game time.

Pleasant evening, all –

td

Good luck with the recoil on that .44. It’s a beast. Some guys say they’re just fine, but still -

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If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the stranglehold Israel has on the foreign policy of this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is beginning of the end of neo-con control over this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the series of never-ending wars in this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the stranglehold of the Defense Department and their obscene spending, I say bring it on.

On a lighter note, if Bama wins tonight, we’ll have to deal with Thelma prancing around here in his Speedos and crowing from dawn ’til dusk. Oh! the horror!

I was really surprised to find out that Redneck Convert and I have the same barber.

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josef

The quick read I did said he was not the target – it was a guy named al-Banna.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2097899,00.html

Either way, I still think we oughta be outta there. And we need a serious rethink on whether or not just because we say a person’s a member of AQ it means we should take the time for hunting and killing.

now, it’s game time!

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I know I am not the best at anything.

Yeah right. Your incessant need to try to correct me on everything I post says otherwise. Look at the end of the El Camino thread for example. I challenged you on a statement you made about billionaires and you disagreed enough to use thousandaires as an example to show how you were right and I was wrong. You are like the typical low knowledge supposed conservative in that you can not even admit when you are wrong because it probably makes you feel less of a man to admit such fallibility.

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Paul and Recon,

I have shot 3 deer with it. The recoil is not bad since it has a 7 1/2 inch barrel. This is my home defense weapon. I carry a Glock 9mm around town.

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Republican Tea Party politicians are so anti-Obama and so in hopes of a whiter White House they would reject Jesus Christ if he we nominated for a cabinet position.

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Sure td, tell that to the father who shot his son by accident while getting into his car at the gun shop or the ones who shoot their kids because they thought they were breaking in. And that does not include the increase in suicides in homes that have weapons.

But your decision for inside your home, provided you follow reasonable gun safety laws and do not endanger others.

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You just have to have the right “pitch” man.

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Sooth

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We can all thank our lucky stars that Congress saved us from the fiscal “cliff!”

I thought you’d like that, Kam!

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 7th, 2013
8:22 pm

There are more guns in this country then there are cars and there are a great deal more deaths from cars each year. There are more murders committed by hammers each year then assault weapons. More deaths committed by drunk drivers then all guns. Why are we not doing more to get drunk drivers off the streets and regulating hammers?

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I point out your fallacies because you are the pure definition of a progressive narcissist per the article.

My fallacies??? I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, do you??? Explain this:

td
January 6th, 2013
10:38 pm

Another example: If I company that has a gross income of $500,000 per year (I file my taxes via individual income taxes) with a profit margin of 20% and now I have to pay 4 1/2 more taxes now then my profits go down from $100,000 per year to $85,000. I have two employees that I pay $30,000 each. Do you expect me to continue to run my business making $15,000 less, do I layoff one of my employees to make the around the same amount of money, do I raise my prices to cover the tax increase or do make one of my workers part time and raise my prices?

How does your example of someone, with a gross income of $500,000 fit anywhere within the confines of your original statement OR my response to that original statement?

As I said, you can’t stand to be proven wrong and you will say anything you think is necessary to prove yourself right. You need to look in the mirror before you try assessing me, bro.

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Perhaps you need to back up your claims td.

In fact, we do work to keep drunk drivers off the roads and have had some success.

While there may be more guns, the percentage of households owning guns is diminishing.

Do you have anything that is not a stupid NRA talking point?

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Appointing Hagel to head DD is a step short of appointing Ghandi

Obama has just given Iran the green light for a nuke

Go Bama!

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Alabama with 7 point within 3 minutes?

Stick a fork in this one — it’s done.

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Get

Hillary should get one of those for her husband

STD’s are quite bad for you

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kam 8:41

I am rarely even remotely inclined to agree with you, but I’m tempted on that one

still its way early

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josef

that would be consistent with Obama’s picks: wholly unqualified

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still its way early

I’m late for the door. I’ll check back in later on the game.

Gonna be a loooooong night for ND.

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WOW

Still early but I thought Notre Dame was going to show up.

It is looking like Notre Dame is Romney and Bama is OBAMA

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“Gonna be a loooooong night for ND.”

yesiree bob

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Who-e-e-e-e-e-e! This is going to be a blow-out royale! Them big ol’ corn-fed Bama boys are rolling all over those itty-bitty Notre Dame players. Just shows the difference in the two conferences.

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um

UGA is #2

I have no idea what ND is, but it ain’t #2

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td 8:56 jinx

ND fumble?

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No fumble jm. ND should keep the ball.

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“ND should keep the ball”

And walk off the field?

I wonder if they’re checking into earlier departures from MIA.

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is there a mercy rule?

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Are these people insane or what?

or what

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Yes arm the teachers…. because we know that Jesus would be alive today if only he had had a gun.

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Is Jesus available? ND might need him.

I thought they were going to show up…………….

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SEC domination.

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TV ratings. declining already

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m

January 7th, 2013
9:11 pm

TV ratings. declining already

All those delusional ND fans and other SEC haters that actually thought ND had a chance to end the SEC dominance.

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td, TBS

yawp

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jm,

LSU-Alabama would be a better game.

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get 9:16

yes. UGA Bama certainly was

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painful locker-room conversation coming for the ND players in 15 minutes

I’m not sure they’ll even get yelled at

what do you say?

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…ever in love with the infinite cleverness of the master chess-player — while right-wingers are left fuming.

Word.

How many times has he punked the GOP screw ups in the past four years?

And ANYBODY who could sit by, watch and say nothing regarding the blithering incompetency of Ronald Dumsfeld SOULD have no say on this matter.

LOL!

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“I have no idea what ND is, but it ain’t #2″

They’re this year’s chew toy for the SEC champion.

At least Bama’s practice squad will get some game time before the night is out!!

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since the Miami game is over, back to the DC game:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/gop-sees-political-payback-in-hagel-pick-85867.html

as many as 10 democrats may not vote for Hagel

the guy may go down, though I’m not suggesting that will be the ultimate outcome

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JamVet

I’ve got a Hoegaarden with your name on it whenever we get a chance to get together. I figured that, with the citrus notes in that choice, it would go well with this game.

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That leg looks bad

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citrus notes…

Clever, Bro.

And I’d love to have a cold one with you!

Looks like the Ohio State University will be the only undefeated team this year…

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JamVet

I filled up my liter mug from Oktoberfest tonight, and it’s about done already.

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Hagel is just a poor choice

Our President is a nincompoop

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SoCo/ Bro

Growlers.

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TBS

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Our President is a nincompoop

Romney couldn’t defeat him.

Romney < nincompoop.

Singapore awaits you.

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jm,

“In your face.”

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Kam @ 10:02

If I had spit up good beer for that one, you would have owed me big time.

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SoCo/Bro

I’ll still pay up.

You gotta cover the parking.

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Kam

It’s cheaper to foot the bill….

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SoCo/Bro

I can top that.

Jay pick’s up the tab.

At Manuel’s Tavern.

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Lets be honest on two points please. The republicans seem a bit while out of touch opposing a former senator who gained his reputation as a hard line conservative while sitting as an active member of the senate and armed service comm. I suppost his nomination as a conservative and as a fair minded senate rep who did his job.

now for the other bit of honesty, those of you who wish to jump on republicans for opposing him should look at half of your own party first and ask why. Saying that republicans will opposes anyone who gets nominated is to ignore the fact that you will support anyone he nominates.

by the way so far nobody is opposing John Kerry as Sec of State, that should be a real surprise to you

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SoCo/Bro

It’s been thirty years or more since I’ve been to the one off E.Ponce. It was the first time I tasted Amstel. Used to be a Manuel’s not too far away from me in the ‘burbs @ Memorial Dr. and S. Indian Cr. that I frequented quite a bit.

It’s just a standard B flat neighborhood bar.

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SoCo/Bro

Manuel Maloof, the DeKalb politico used to hold sway there.

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Holy crap, ND scored.

O/U is toast.

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Alex Jones rimmed Piers Morgan another one.

The FCC actually allowed that to be shown on CNN??? There’s gonna be some serious fines on that one.

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The Bear has to be smiling now.

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The National Championship game is just another example as to how bad the national media is. Manti Te’o is not even close to holding Jarvis Jones jock strap after all the talk about how great he is.

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The demise of the SEC has been greatly exaggerated!

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td – No kidding! Musburger’s (and ESPN’s) infatuation w/ Te’o has been ridiculous! Heisman? Really?

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Kam

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Saban for governor…

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Manny’s is a great place, spent many a fun night their in my 20s and 30s….clearly it has been a while. Glad to know it is still rockin…

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Bro – Bush approved the sale, DoD deferred, based on other concerns w/ the Chinese, then approved in ‘09 when Obama was in office. Just sayin’

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/24/140773755/u-s-sells-bunker-busters-to-israel

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“If Obama were so anti-Israel, they still wouldn’t have them.” – No doubt. Never made mention of Obama being “anti-Isreal”. I, too, know the details. Bush never held back.

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The Republicans in the Senate will most likely whine and moan and then eventually cement the appointment of Hagel. I do hope that he is able to get into that office and see about cutting Defense spending. Why are we in over 100-countries overseas? What purpose does it serve to alienate all of the world from us by our occupation of so many countries? If our presence is truly needed, so be it. Yet, if our presence is needed in countries such as Germany, South Korea and Japan, let them help foot the bill for our presence. At least Hagel may see clear to investigate such expenses. That is more than Panetta has done in his term of the position.

I also hope that the Secretary of Defense looks hard at our role in the UN forces. It, too, is an expense that needs investigation. So, let’s see what Hagel can do…….

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USA Patriot

Didn’t say you specifically made that claim, but the general meme from the right is that Obama doesn’t back Israel. The truth is almost 180 degrees different.

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Bro – Okay, we can agree to disagree on politics. We’ll leave that for another time. Enjoyed Gump shutting down Rudy – think we can agree on that? Good evening/morning to you! Till next time….GO SEC!

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Bro,

I know.

I watched the all star high school school game, and he gets the cream of the crop.

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So a lowly specialist will be in a position to fire generals. Sounds about right. Bottom rail on top now. Y’know, I could be running the warehouse one day.

The Tide made ND look like a average team. I doubt half the pro teams could beat Alabama right now. It won’t be long till they start looking into Saban’s recruiting. There’s something wrong when two Alabama RBs can each rack up more than 100 yards against the top defense in the country. Just sayin’. Have a good night everybody.

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Brosephus™: “Team Gump shut down Team Rudy” – Fair enough. Appreciated the exchange(s) in a civil manner. Again, good evening / morning to you.

Roll Tide!!

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Once agaibn we see, that despite all the vitriol and other conference ref’s attempts to cheat…….. (S. Carolina/Michigan and the first down lol) that the SEC Championship is STILL the most meaningful game of the season…………..

Well unless you are ESPN and support the rape of little boys in which case any game by Penn State is more meaningful…….

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Do we really need to have a Sec. of Defense? I guess someone has to explain the apologies.

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Bama SEC blog post from jay?

Not likely, but would be fun

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He strikes me as a person who goes whichever way the wind blows, Jay. Basically; a Republican Joe Biden or John I-voted-for-it-before-I-voted-against-it Kerry.
From the AJC.
“Some human rights advocates worry that Hagel will be a voice for a limited military role and likely to oppose intervention in humanitarian crises”
Chuck Hagel: “I will do everything I can to avoid needless, senseless war.”
Pretty words from Hagel. If he’s got the resolve to actually back it up when the next crisis of the week comes up or if he’ll continue the endless American intervention, we’ll see.

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“John I-voted-for-it-before-I-voted-against-it Kerry.”

really?

this old red herring?

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This pretty much covers the real reason for the nomination. Well said Jay…

Politically speaking, the Hagel nomination also plays into the meta-narrative that the White House appears to be spinning these days. By nominating a Republican ex-senator to a top Cabinet position, Obama can claim credit for a gesture of bipartisanship. To the degree that Senate Republicans erupt in outrage, attempting to bar their former colleague from service on grounds of being insufficiently conservative, they cement their image as extremists unwilling to compromise. So it will be interesting to watch how they play this

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“By nominating a Republican ex-senator to a top Cabinet position, Obama can claim credit for a gesture of bipartisanship. To the degree that Senate Republicans erupt in outrage, attempting to bar their former colleague from service on grounds of being insufficiently conservative, they cement their image as extremists unwilling to compromise.”

chess. master.

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Joel – 7:08 – thanks for the link – it proves that the majority of things he has supposedly “flip-flopped” on, weren’t. Patriot Act? yes, the first bill that was shoved through Congress (and the right complained about Obamacare???!!!) should have been replaced with something that better balanced privacy and security

death penalty – he’s not going to interfere with state executions – isn’t that what the right always says it wants?

etc etc etc …

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Congrats Bama Fans!

My Irish were well and truly rolled.

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last night’s game did one thing: it’s the first time I’ve ever seen GA fans cheer for Bama.

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If he’s got the resolve to actually back it up when the next crisis of the week comes up or if he’ll continue the endless American intervention, we’ll see.

Agreed.

That there are virtually no Republicans besides him out there with the moral courage to stand up to the Death Party’s proven contemptuous incompetency and swiftboating spinelessness is the backstory.

Right now the neocons look a LOT like Notre Dame did last night…

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Final College Football Top 5
unkewedpolls.com

#1- Northwestern
#2- Vanderbilt
#3- Oregon
#4- San Jose St
#5- Alabama

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“So why do all the cons think we need to bow down to israel?”

because … because … because … MOOOSLEMS!!!

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usunuk

You’re so cute with your responses! I got kicked out of the boy scouts because I terrorized my den mother…

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“Right now the neocons look a LOT like Notre Dame did last night”

Ouch…

But oh so true…

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BRO,

In my experience, the best hangover reliever on the market is called Underburg…it’s aromatic bitters found in mixer aisle at Kroger et al

I truly enjoyed that butt whipping. Big question is how ND even remained in top 5…they were more exposed than the idiocy in the GOP…

Congratulations..

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” I got kicked out of the boy scouts because I terrorized my den mother…”

I left Girl Scouts because of macrame.

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If Hagel was a Republican nominee, not a single democrat would vote for him

What with his previous statements about gays and jews. Even granting he has apologized for his comments about gays.

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“If Hagel was a Republican nominee,…”

Republican nominee! Lol.

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honestly … if it was anyone else, I’d be cheering for an Alex Jones beat-down … but, since we’re talking about the most odious, smarmy men on television, it’s a bit of a toss-up

To be further honestly, I couldn’t pick either Jones or Morgen out in a line-up. I only know about Alex Jones because some survivalist/prepper types seem to think he’s their go-to guy, and whenever I’ve been to his website it’s all “spooky black helicopters are watching you” stuff.

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Be nice to RB. He was traumatized by a YouTube video, apparently.

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Joel Edge – “he strikes me as a person who goes whichever way the wind blows”

You have described the majority of American politicians.

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off topic, but it was news to me: Bowie is back (after 10 years).

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/01/08/david_bowie_where_are_we_now_new_song_from_bowie_surprises_fans_video.html

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dB – 8:46 – then you’ll love this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEmGQYCuc6M

classic!!!

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“He was traumatized by a YouTube video, apparently”

having seen Youtube clips of Honey BooBoo, I can relate.

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“And yet, a little more than halfway through the first quarter of this wildly hyped, endlessly discussed, over-dramatized game, we knew. Alabama was up 14-0 and Notre Dame had barely collected a yard. The Crimson Tide were barreling downfield with little resistance, and that vaunted Irish defense looked gassed. Sporting events (and Professor Berra) condition us to say it’s never really over, but this was over. Notre Dame was toast. Alabama added another 14 points in the second quarter and that 28-0 hole resembled K2. What would Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly even say in the locker room? What possible in-game adjustment existed? Run to the bus? ”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324391104578228691690242574.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth

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UnU @ 8.48, nice find, thanks. (Jean Genie is kind of a throwaway tune, to me, but it’s off my favorite DB lp, Alladin Sane…)

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“Obama is the President of Tunisia???”

No, and apparently his diplomatic standing there ain’t worth a crap either.

I wonder if ignoring stuff like this is what he meant by a “new tone” in our relations in the region. “new tone” must be code for “bury your head in the sand and do nothing”

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“This is becoming so customary—seven SEC teams crowned national champions in a row. All of that conference braggadocio doesn’t sound like braggadocio anymore. It sounds like common sense.”

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alex

January 8th, 2013
8:43 am

I think you will get your fill during senate confirmation process. I like his positions on prior involvement in middle east and his seemingly contrarian pespective. We will know more in short order..

I think the Brennan nomination will be more contentious..

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RB

Wanna bomb Tunisia?

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Mick

January 8th, 2013
8:58 am

Bush is a low bar and you BO supporters should bear this in mind…last thing you want is to have BO’s legacy become (continue perhaps)a comparision to BUSH. Why not compare your guy to Clinton?

Despite BO’s carrying on about how Clintons economic policies are the template for growth, the contrast suggests he has already forgotten those particular tactics..

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stevie

I was just reminicing about the bad old days under bush, it just always seemed that everything wrong was always his fault. Kind of nice to have that punching bag. Of course, he did leave the country bankrupt and in disgrace. Obama is no where close to that. I do apologize for one thing that I always thought bush had power over and that’s gas prices – I was wrong! Big oil is more powerful than any president of the united states. When it comes to oil prices, they and speculators have a free hand…

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“And what is a “meta-narrative”

I never meta-narrative I didn’t like?

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Towncrier — “And don’t we all know that.”

Pretty clearly *you* don’t, since you sought to do it yet again.

“Let’s establish where we are on this debate. I think this Wiki article summarizes it well enough:”

Where we are on this debate is that you asserted that I was taking Lembcke’s position. You were wrong, since I either don’t care about Lembcke’s position or outright disagree with it on three of four counts, PLUS I didn’t even bring him up. You did.

You then cited an extensive postby a gentleman named Lindgren on Eugene Volokh’s blog as being evidence that Vietnam vets *had* been spit on, so I followed up on the first three claims in his post.

Not a single one panned out; in fact, at least one of them may possibly have been fabricated.

You then became conciliatory and suggested that I contact Volokh (or the author of the post) directly. I attempted to do just that; neither man responded (assuming I even have their correct e-mail addresses).

Long story short, you *still* haven’t presented any substantive, documentary evidence, and despite your apparent emotional investment in the topic, you clearly can’t be bothered to follow up on any of Volokh’s evidence *yourself,* as I’ve suggested you do on more than one occasion. I’m not the only one here who can perform web searches or pick up a telephone, and I think it’s high time you did just that rather than continuing to demand that others dance to your tune.

“Last time we discussed this, I suggested you actually contact Lindgren and see if he could not provide you with copies (if he had them of the articles he cites). If you haven’t, perhaps I will.”

I’ve made the attempt, and I recommend you do the same. While you’re at it, why don’t you also try substantiating some of the claims he made in that post, as I’ve asked you to do more than once?

“As I said, I have a hard time imagining how a prominent law professor would publicly cite articles as evidence (with the name of the paper and dates) that did not actually exist – to publicly make things up, in other words”

So do I, which is why I haven’t accused him of making anything up in the first place.

I’ve questioned his evidence and I’ve suggested that you try to follow up on some of his claims as well.

“But you apparently do not.”

You are a liar, sir. I have never once suggested that any of Lindgren’s ‘evidence’ was made up.

“That has been the main point of contention between us. I am surprised that, if Lindgren was lying, he has not been debunked by now. Perhaps no one cares enough to investigate. Or maybe he wasn’t lying. Ina any case, we cannot both be right, just as Lembcke and Lindgren cannot be right. Since the former is essentially trying to prove a negative, all that is required to invalidate his claims is to validate even some of Lindgren’s.”

Which I’ve challenged you to do more than once.

“Let me see if I cannot validate two or three of his sources independently (if I am unable to contact Lindgren). Obviously, it will be hard to do if archived articles are not freely available on the Internet. It will require calling the publishers (if they still exist) and seeing if they will mail me a copy of the article(s) or paying for subscriptions.”

I wish you good luck in your search. Had you been as forthcoming and collegial in conducting your own search several months ago, I’d probably have a much better opinion of you today.

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Thomas heyward Jr., wrote:
Hagel’s peace/anti-empire backers will be silenced when Hagel does as he is told (as he must) and continues, possibly expands, the disastrous policies of this administration.

Exactly. As one former White House operative (whose name escapes me) put it: “Foreign Policy is always passed seamlessly from one administration to the next”.
Imo, if the truth were known, neither the prez nor the Sec of Defense are the real Deciders.

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J. Reb — “If you, Jay and other Moonbats are OK with that, then that’s your choice. I am not.”

Dude, I simply asked you what you meant.

Grow a thicker skin if you’re going to hang around on the Internet.

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Obama is once again brilliant in his selections. He puts into the debate elements of the Republican mantra that they themselves have to either defend or object to. Hagel nomination is a good one in that he is very capable, but the right has to object to his gay comments. His CIA candidate has supported water boarding another awkward position for the right to object to. O is almost comical he is so brilliant.

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Tundra Dude: “Foreign Policy is always passed seamlessly from one administration to the next”

As does almost every other major area of policy, the only exception any more being certain matterws of identity politics (DMA, DODT, etc.).

In general, the Democrats and the Republicans are just two sides of the same hand doing the same work for the US ruling government elite and their cohorts in the financial sphere.

I’m with USin and FOR a meta-narrative-free zone here at the Bookman blog.

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half

Yeah, those checks helped put us deeper in debt for sure…where was the iced tea party then? Oh, right, we didn’t have an african american president then…

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“Fast & Furious and Benghazi”

both added together are nowhere NEAR the mendacity of the Iraq war.

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 8th, 2013
9:34 am

“Fast & Furious and Benghazi”

both added together are nowhere NEAR the mendacity of the Iraq war.

Usin, Absolutely true, but Obama still has us in Afghanistan and he promised to bring our troops home, I guess he just didn’t say when, until a year ago. I have stated on here that the war was wrong.

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“” Mick, would you rather the checks go to Wall Street & the Bankers?”

I love people who live in a binary world.

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USinUK — “I left Girl Scouts because of macrame.”

There’s an ointment for that now.

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Well at least you love somebody.

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other half

“and your wrong about who you think I am, I wish I had your crystal ball.”

Never said the moniker you normally post under.

Just described the characteristic: ” who just knows he’s saying something stunningly stupid but just can’t help himself”

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(other half – but your penchant for adding a ‘y’ to the end of other monikers and your obsession with anything anal does give a clue)

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““” Mick, would you rather the checks go to Wall Street & the Bankers?”’

I’d rather they go to charity, or research, or building roads. But why do you ask? It seems like such a silly question…

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Welcome-Occupation:
For that matter, Tundra, very little of government is actually about solving problems, but is rather more about preserving a status quo by making gestures and nice sounds to the people sort of in the manner of a snake charmer,

Say it ain’t so….
(just hush…..ya might be accused of being a domestic terrorist)

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“I guess Jay received his marching orders…”

Well, they certainly weren’t from AIPAC.

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