Chuck Hagel the right man at the right time
Chuck Hagel has always defied categorization, which is one reason I’ve liked and respected him.
Of course, that also explains why Hagel’s nomination as defense secretary faces opposition from elements of both political parties. Washington likes people who can be “counted on,” meaning that they adhere to the brightly defined lines that are used to distinguish “us” from “them.” People such as Hagel, who pay little attention to such lines, are viewed with suspicion and distrust by some.
In Hagel’s case, he is Republican, but according to conservatives not a “real” Republican. He is a war veteran who earned two Purple Hearts in Vietnam as an enlisted Army infantryman, but his thoughts on foreign policy reveal a sophisticated doubt about the usefulness of war. Although he voted in favor of the invasion of Iraq, he quickly became a harsh critic of the conduct of that war. Most of all, Hagel is a questioner by nature, and he is more willing to follow where the answers lead him than are most in the nation’s Capitol.
I strongly disagree with Hagel on some points, particularly on his willingness to defer to intelligence and law enforcement when constitutional rights supposedly conflict with national security concerns. Back in the late ’90s, Hagel also publicly opposed the nomination of James Hormel as a U.S. ambassador on the grounds that Hormel was “”openly, aggressively gay.”
Those words reflected a depth of homophobia that did not speak well of Hagel. But it is also true that the country as a whole has moved a long way on gay rights in the past two decades, and if Hagel has moved along with it, as he now claims, that should not disqualify him from high service.
On the other hand, the claim by some that Hagel is somehow anti-Israel or even anti-Semitic because he has been willing to question the decisions of Israeli political leadership is and always has been nonsense. Nothing that Hagel has said or done on such issues places him outside the mainstream in this country or even in Israel itself, and certainly do not disqualify him from service as U.S. defense secretary.
Hagel’s nomination comes at an important point in this nation’s military and foreign-policy history. The world has changed; our relative position in the world has changed as well. But those changes are not yet reflected in our defense structure, policy and ideology. By his background, intellect and questioning nature, Hagel is well-suited to that role.
Politically speaking, the Hagel nomination also plays into the meta-narrative that the White House appears to be spinning these days. By nominating a Republican ex-senator to a top Cabinet position, Obama can claim credit for a gesture of bipartisanship. To the degree that Senate Republicans erupt in outrage, attempting to bar their former colleague from service on grounds of being insufficiently conservative, they cement their image as extremists unwilling to compromise. So it will be interesting to watch how they play this.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
January 7th, 2013
8:09 pm
PAUL
Yes. And he had run away from home to go and find his daddy…and he was TARGETED. It wasn’t an accident, he wasn’t collateral damage. He was a teenage boy who was hearing all kinds of bad things about an absent father…
He just had the bad luck to be a Muslim and an Arab…
Paul
January 7th, 2013
8:09 pm
Game time.
Pleasant evening, all –
td
Good luck with the recoil on that .44. It’s a beast. Some guys say they’re just fine, but still -
Recon 0311 2533
January 7th, 2013
8:10 pm
td,
That’s brutal…you must walk to work through Grizzly Bear country.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:12 pm
If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the stranglehold Israel has on the foreign policy of this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is beginning of the end of neo-con control over this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the series of never-ending wars in this country, I say bring it on. If Chuck Hagel is the beginning of breaking the stranglehold of the Defense Department and their obscene spending, I say bring it on.
On a lighter note, if Bama wins tonight, we’ll have to deal with Thelma prancing around here in his Speedos and crowing from dawn ’til dusk. Oh! the horror!
I was really surprised to find out that Redneck Convert and I have the same barber.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
8:12 pm
Paul
Sheldon and Penny singing soft kitty as a round is worth the dvd set
Paul
January 7th, 2013
8:12 pm
josef
The quick read I did said he was not the target – it was a guy named al-Banna.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2097899,00.html
Either way, I still think we oughta be outta there. And we need a serious rethink on whether or not just because we say a person’s a member of AQ it means we should take the time for hunting and killing.
now, it’s game time!
barking frog
January 7th, 2013
8:13 pm
td
good.
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
8:13 pm
I know I am not the best at anything.
Yeah right. Your incessant need to try to correct me on everything I post says otherwise. Look at the end of the El Camino thread for example. I challenged you on a statement you made about billionaires and you disagreed enough to use thousandaires as an example to show how you were right and I was wrong. You are like the typical low knowledge supposed conservative in that you can not even admit when you are wrong because it probably makes you feel less of a man to admit such fallibility.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:15 pm
I know it only has 6 shots but I am sure I only have to hit a person one time anywhere and he will not be getting up.
Well I am sure that will be very comforting if your child is one of the 124 killed accidently by a gun in the home or the 3164 shot accidently.
td
January 7th, 2013
8:15 pm
Paul and Recon,
I have shot 3 deer with it. The recoil is not bad since it has a 7 1/2 inch barrel. This is my home defense weapon. I carry a Glock 9mm around town.
td
January 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:15 pm
When you start teaching your kids about guns when they are old enough to walk then accidental shootings are very rare if not at all. My son is 16 and now uses the 44 to deer hunt.
indigo
January 7th, 2013
8:18 pm
Republican Tea Party politicians are so anti-Obama and so in hopes of a whiter White House they would reject Jesus Christ if he we nominated for a cabinet position.
josef
January 7th, 2013
8:20 pm
PAUL
That’s the official line, for sure…
BTW
Bibi’s comment? “No comment…” Hmmmm….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:22 pm
Sure td, tell that to the father who shot his son by accident while getting into his car at the gun shop or the ones who shoot their kids because they thought they were breaking in. And that does not include the increase in suicides in homes that have weapons.
But your decision for inside your home, provided you follow reasonable gun safety laws and do not endanger others.
td
January 7th, 2013
8:22 pm
Brosephus™: “Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy”
January 7th, 2013
8:13 pm
I point out your fallacies because you are the pure definition of a progressive narcissist per the article. You have never admitted you were wrong about anything and have a higher regard for your intellectual capability then even anyone on this blog would give you.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:23 pm
You just have to have the right “pitch” man.
josef
January 7th, 2013
8:25 pm
Christian Coalition gives Hagel a 100% rating…
“When it comes to social issues, Hagel’s record is, if anything, even more conservative. A lifelong Roman Catholic, he is strongly anti-abortion and consistently voted to restrict its availability. Based on this history, the abortion rights group NARAL gave him a zero rating, and the National Right to Life Committee gave him a rating of a hundred per cent. He supported teacher-led prayer in schools: the Christian Coalition gave him its top rating of a hundred per cent. He was staunchly in favor of gun rights—he got an “A” rating from the N.R.A.—capital punishment, and the drug war.”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/01/hagels-views-on-israel-arent-the-problem.html
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
8:25 pm
Sooth
F. Sinkwich
January 7th, 2013
8:26 pm
“Republican Tea Party politicians are so anti-Obama and so in hopes of a whiter White House they would reject Jesus Christ if he we nominated for a cabinet position.”
Not intended to be a factual statement. *
* KammieSpam. All rights reserved.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:28 pm
We can all thank our lucky stars that Congress saved us from the fiscal “cliff!”
I thought you’d like that, Kam!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:29 pm
You have never admitted you were wrong about anything
Bull. I recall Brosephus admitting he was wrong. But like many others, he checks his work before he posts or properly qualifies it.
and have a higher regard for your intellectual capability then even anyone on this blog would give you
And you know this because of your great intellect? Do you have a link to the questionnaire that “everyone” answered to let you state this particular piece of blowhardness? I can assure you that I regard his intellect to be much higher than yours, but that is my opinion.
td
January 7th, 2013
8:29 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:22 pm
There are more guns in this country then there are cars and there are a great deal more deaths from cars each year. There are more murders committed by hammers each year then assault weapons. More deaths committed by drunk drivers then all guns. Why are we not doing more to get drunk drivers off the streets and regulating hammers?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
8:32 pm
Not intended to be a factual statement. *
*
KammieRepublican Senator Jon KylSpam. All rights reserved.Fixed your typo, ilk-boy.
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
8:32 pm
I point out your fallacies because you are the pure definition of a progressive narcissist per the article.
My fallacies??? I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong, do you??? Explain this:
td
January 6th, 2013
10:38 pm
[....]
What you do not seem to understand is that the billionaires will continue to have the same amount of money no matter what the government does. The only ones that get hurt is the middle class when they do not get any raises, pay more for insurance, less benefits like employer contributions to 401K and maybe not even a job if it is going to cut into the billionaires money. Such a high regressive tax rate only hurts the middle class and the working poor.
———————-
Brosephus™
January 6th, 2013
10:52 pm
“The only ones that get hurt is the middle class when they do not get any raises, pay more for insurance, less benefits like employer contributions to 401K and maybe not even a job if it is going to cut into the billionaires money.”
#1: When the middle class gets screwed out of pay raises and such, it is not the responsibility of the government to provide those things. That is purely a private sector matter. Any government involvement is mostly due to the wealthy lobbying Congress to pass laws that benefit them and not necessarily the middle class.
#2: The love of money is the root of all evil. If some billionaire thinks it’s better for him to earn $10 billion while screwing his employees instead of making $9 billion and rewarding his employees with that other billion, then he might want to practicing how to squeeze through the eye of a needle.
———————–
td
January 6th, 2013
11:11 pm
Brosephus™
January 6th, 2013
10:52 pm
I agree with you on your first statement. #2 When the government raises their taxes $1 billion then they are not going to actually take the billion dollar cut. They will get their money other ways. (historical fact).
Another example: If I company that has a gross income of $500,000 per year (I file my taxes via individual income taxes) with a profit margin of 20% and now I have to pay 4 1/2 more taxes now then my profits go down from $100,000 per year to $85,000. I have two employees that I pay $30,000 each. Do you expect me to continue to run my business making $15,000 less, do I layoff one of my employees to make the around the same amount of money, do I raise my prices to cover the tax increase or do make one of my workers part time and raise my prices?
How does your example of someone, with a gross income of $500,000 fit anywhere within the confines of your original statement OR my response to that original statement?
As I said, you can’t stand to be proven wrong and you will say anything you think is necessary to prove yourself right. You need to look in the mirror before you try assessing me, bro.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:33 pm
Oh, well! Off to watch the game. If Bama wins, you won’t see me anywhere’s near this place tomorrow. It’ll be the Thelma show all day long!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
8:33 pm
Perhaps you need to back up your claims td.
In fact, we do work to keep drunk drivers off the roads and have had some success.
While there may be more guns, the percentage of households owning guns is diminishing.
Do you have anything that is not a stupid NRA talking point?
getalife
January 7th, 2013
8:36 pm
Roll Tide.
This is funny:
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ht_hillary_clinton_football_helmet_lpl_130107_wblog.jpg
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:40 pm
Appointing Hagel to head DD is a step short of appointing Ghandi
Obama has just given Iran the green light for a nuke
Go Bama!
td
January 7th, 2013
8:40 pm
Brosephus™: “Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy”
January 7th, 2013
8:32 pm
Proven wrong about what? I had already said billionaires were not going to give up their money. Someone would have to make up the tax difference so that they keep their money. That is a fact and has been so from the beginning of history in any semi democratic nation. My other remark was to break it down to where people understand what the small business man is thinking about right now and how tax increases hurt the people that work for others for wages.
So again what are you proving me wrong about?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
8:41 pm
Alabama with 7 point within 3 minutes?
Stick a fork in this one — it’s done.
josef
January 7th, 2013
8:44 pm
I heard a rumour he was going to nominate Ralph Reed for Secretary of State…
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:44 pm
Get
Hillary should get one of those for her husband
STD’s are quite bad for you
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
8:44 pm
td
As for me acknowledging when I’m wrong, ask Jay about my response to the last post of mine that he pulled. It was only a few days ago.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:47 pm
kam 8:41
I am rarely even remotely inclined to agree with you, but I’m tempted on that one
still its way early
josef
January 7th, 2013
8:48 pm
td
Brosephus admitting he was wrong? He has done it out-and-out, and he frequently says “I may be…” “I could be…” wrong.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:48 pm
josef
that would be consistent with Obama’s picks: wholly unqualified
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:51 pm
I wonder if Hagel has the balls to tell Obama he should stop using drones without a declaration of war
probably not
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
8:52 pm
still its way early
I’m late for the door. I’ll check back in later on the game.
Gonna be a loooooong night for ND.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:54 pm
bama.
crushing
kam may be right
TBS
January 7th, 2013
8:55 pm
WOW
Still early but I thought Notre Dame was going to show up.
It is looking like Notre Dame is Romney and Bama is OBAMA
td
January 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
It is plain to see that once again the National Championship game was played and won on the first weekend of Dec in the SEC title game. The SEC is by far the dominate conference in college football. ND would have been the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC this year.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
“Gonna be a loooooong night for ND.”
yesiree bob
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
josef
You know I’m the most arrogant prick here. Stone Brewery even named a beer after me called “Arrogant B@stard”.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:56 pm
Who-e-e-e-e-e-e! This is going to be a blow-out royale! Them big ol’ corn-fed Bama boys are rolling all over those itty-bitty Notre Dame players. Just shows the difference in the two conferences.
Soothsayer
January 7th, 2013
8:58 pm
I forgot about the fried chicken!
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:58 pm
um
UGA is #2
I have no idea what ND is, but it ain’t #2
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 7th, 2013
8:58 pm
Well, it ain’t right and I told old Ace here that. Alabama ought to spot those nice Catholic boys 21 points or so. Heck, I’ve seen horses smaller than that RB Lacy. This is a butt-whompin’. Bama is up 14 in the 1st qtr. I just hope Thelma Doom don’t come on here with a picture of him in a Speedo.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
8:59 pm
td 8:56 jinx
ND fumble?
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:00 pm
oh
my
lord
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
No fumble jm. ND should keep the ball.
idependent thinker
January 7th, 2013
9:01 pm
1.8 trillion dollars for the three wars Obama was handed by W. is what the Congressional budget office estimates the cost through 2015 and more like 2.5 million with veterans benefits and long term costs of Homeland Security and the War on Terror over the next ten years (No o0ther President faced three active wars when elected)
.And the cons are complainig about a veteran and a Republican who dares question the costs of war and the costs of the Defense budget with over 800 bases worldwide all paid for on a Chinese credit card. Are these people insane or what?
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:03 pm
“ND should keep the ball”
And walk off the field?
I wonder if they’re checking into earlier departures from MIA.
td
January 7th, 2013
9:04 pm
A state lawmaker wants to allow schools to arm an administrator in an effort to prevent school shootings.
“Rep. Paul Battles, R-Cartersville, has prepared legislation lawmakers could consider when they return to session beginning next week. The bill would empower school boards to allow one or more administrators to carry a weapon at school, at a school function or on a bus. Anyone chosen to carry a weapon would have to complete a state peace officer training course and qualify each year.”
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/lawmaker-wants-schools-to-be-able-to-arm-administr/nTprj/
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:04 pm
is there a mercy rule?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 7th, 2013
9:05 pm
Jm: “I wonder if Hagel has the balls to tell Obama he should stop using drones without a declaration of war”
Not a chance.
It’s not that he doesn’t “have the balls” so much as it’s that Obama wouldn’t have nominated him without having made damn sure he was on board with the centerpiece of the Obama war strategy in the middle east.
You’ll note that, true to Obama fashion, it was a renegade Republican he chose, not Democrat. This way, again in true Obama fashion, Obama gets the best of both worlds as it were. Liberals are happy to play along — ever in love with the infinite cleverness of the master chess-player — while right-wingers are left fuming.
Such is our political moment.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
9:05 pm
Are these people insane or what?
or whatJm
January 7th, 2013
9:05 pm
arming people at schools, is generally a bad IMO
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 7th, 2013
9:07 pm
Yes arm the teachers…. because we know that Jesus would be alive today if only he had had a gun.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:07 pm
welcome
I think Hagel is an all around weak choice
I’m not saying there aren’t some redeeming qualities he has
It’s just that he has many more unredeeming qualities
TBS
January 7th, 2013
9:08 pm
Is Jesus available? ND might need him.
I thought they were going to show up…………….
Josef
January 7th, 2013
9:09 pm
Brosephus
Arrogant? Well, you know what I’m thinking…!!!!!
getalife
January 7th, 2013
9:10 pm
SEC domination.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:10 pm
There are TV’s going off all over Indiana at the moment
Good call
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
TV ratings. declining already
TBS
January 7th, 2013
9:13 pm
It isn’t just in Indiana. ND doesn’t have a tv contract to be televised nation wide each week for nothing………..
There are tvs going off all over the US.
td
January 7th, 2013
9:13 pm
m
January 7th, 2013
9:11 pm
TV ratings. declining already
All those delusional ND fans and other SEC haters that actually thought ND had a chance to end the SEC dominance.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:14 pm
SEC domination?
No. The Securities and Exchange Commission doesn’t dominate much at all.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:14 pm
td, TBS
yawp
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
9:14 pm
josef
getalife
January 7th, 2013
9:16 pm
jm,
LSU-Alabama would be a better game.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:16 pm
will the bama running backs’ legs get tired eventually?
and maybe if the Bama DL decides to take a nap, ND could actually avoid getting skunked.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:17 pm
get 9:16
yes. UGA Bama certainly was
TBS
January 7th, 2013
9:17 pm
Appears the National Championship game was once again held in Atlanta last month…….
Someone needs to tell ND that the game has started.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:18 pm
painful locker-room conversation coming for the ND players in 15 minutes
I’m not sure they’ll even get yelled at
what do you say?
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:19 pm
TBS 9:17
JamVet
January 7th, 2013
9:26 pm
…ever in love with the infinite cleverness of the master chess-player — while right-wingers are left fuming.
Word.
How many times has he punked the GOP screw ups in the past four years?
And ANYBODY who could sit by, watch and say nothing regarding the blithering incompetency of Ronald Dumsfeld SOULD have no say on this matter.
LOL!
td
January 7th, 2013
9:27 pm
It takes Alabama to stop themselves. That mighty Defense of ND still has not been able to stop them.
RB from Gwinnett
January 7th, 2013
9:33 pm
“I have no idea what ND is, but it ain’t #2″
They’re this year’s chew toy for the SEC champion.
At least Bama’s practice squad will get some game time before the night is out!!
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:35 pm
i may not make to the end of the 4th quarter….
I think I’ll throw in the towel at 40-0
Jm
January 7th, 2013
9:40 pm
since the Miami game is over, back to the DC game:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/gop-sees-political-payback-in-hagel-pick-85867.html
as many as 10 democrats may not vote for Hagel
the guy may go down, though I’m not suggesting that will be the ultimate outcome
Mr Right
January 7th, 2013
9:41 pm
If Jay thinks Hagel is a good pick, how can it be ?
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
9:42 pm
JamVet
I’ve got a Hoegaarden with your name on it whenever we get a chance to get together. I figured that, with the citrus notes in that choice, it would go well with this game.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
9:47 pm
O/U is 40½
Alabama and the over = Vegas bookie’s nightmare.
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
9:51 pm
That leg looks bad
Wilbur
January 7th, 2013
9:51 pm
Chuck has had an undistinguished career.
His military service was a long, long time ago.
If Military service were a qualification, there are six million men at least as qualified as Chuck.
He hates Israel.
He is only Obama’s Secretary of Defense because he opposed the war.
He is there to preside over a dismantling of our armed forces.
As usual, Obama wants weakness for defense.
JamVet
January 7th, 2013
9:53 pm
citrus notes…
Clever, Bro.
And I’d love to have a cold one with you!
Looks like the Ohio State University will be the only undefeated team this year…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
9:54 pm
His military service was a long, long time ago.
If Military service were a qualification, there are six million men at least as qualified as Chuck.
He hates Israel.
He is only Obama’s Secretary of Defense because he opposed the war.
He is there to preside over a dismantling of our armed forces….
…He loves Nickelback.
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
9:57 pm
JamVet
I filled up my liter mug from Oktoberfest tonight, and it’s about done already.
getalife
January 7th, 2013
9:59 pm
wilbur,
chuck voted with the gop all the time.
Don’t eat your own.
Cut him some slack.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
10:00 pm
Hagel is just a poor choice
Our President is a nincompoop
TBS
January 7th, 2013
10:00 pm
Rumor has it that Ken Stabler might come out and QB for Bama in the 4th qtr………….
Joe Namath in the 3rd
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
10:00 pm
SoCo/ Bro
Growlers.
Jm
January 7th, 2013
10:01 pm
get
Hagel will get very very few republican votes IMO
we’ll see what happens
oh yeah, bama scored. what else is new?
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
10:01 pm
TBS
Jm
January 7th, 2013
10:02 pm
ok.
game
over.
zzzz time.
kam was right. for once
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 7th, 2013
10:02 pm
Our President is a nincompoop
Romney couldn’t defeat him.
Romney < nincompoop.
Singapore awaits you.
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
10:03 pm
Kamchak
Groupon had a deal the other day, but I forgot to put my name on one. I think the kegerator may end up on the shopping list soon.
getalife
January 7th, 2013
10:03 pm
jm,
“In your face.”
JamVet
January 7th, 2013
10:05 pm
Drink up, buddy!
These are the glory days in Tuscaloosa.
because he opposed the war.
And wasn’t that a beautiful thing, Twink?!!
Can you imagine a Republican with guts and smarts to tell the (W)orst administration ever just how f&cked up and deadly incompetent they really were?!
Awesome. And as rare as a snowball in hell…
Brosephus™: "Team Gump will prevail over Team Rudy"
January 7th, 2013
10:10 pm
Kam @ 10:02
If I had spit up good beer for that one, you would have owed me big time.