Saxby Chambliss, a line-drawing junkyard dog

Newt, the voice of reason…

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We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

If they default, congress should dissolve and we write a new Constitution to get money and religion. out of politics.

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A Republican dog?

To carry forward from the previous thread, what exactly is he licking?

AND is it his or Grover Nordquists?

It’s a puzzlement.

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Jay citing newt as the voice of reason—priceless !

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Eighth!

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Oh no….Jay mentioned Sherman and Atlanta…josef is running for his boa!

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josef,

Burning down Atlanta is not good for the economy.

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14th Amendment to US Constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

By refusing to pay our debt Republicans will be going directly against the US Constitution and committing arguably an act of Treason.

Which if found guilty they could be shot.

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getalife

No? Take a look at Atlanta today…nice little piece of real estate for the Carpetbaggers and Scalawags.

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Since all appropriations must originate in the HOR they are allowing
themselves the authority to spend more money, how silly is that ?
I’m with the President on the debt ceiling, get rid of it.

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josef,

Yes, lets keep it that way.

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getalife

Yeah, but take a good look at how it got this way…maybe Saxby et al are on to something…for our future anyway…

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Burning down Atlanta is not good for the economy.

but it’s shovel ready

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Saxby Chambliss, a junkyard dog, I think not. Saxby’s marbles
are rolling all over the floor……

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josef,

Sure, if the cuts are triggered with full employment and the market at 14,000.

You don’t cut until our economy can withstand the cuts and not bring us back to a recession.

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“Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

It seems to me the 14th Amendment is there to prevent prevent the politicization of our debt payment which is what Republicans are now trying to do, turn our debt into a game of political football.

This is why ignoring past Republican tax cuts and massive unfunded spending is so wrong. Republicans authorized a good portion of our debt. Now they want to play games.

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Only as a Historian.

A MAJOR hysterian

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Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” this week, “we Republicans need to be willing to tolerate a temporary, partial government shutdown” in order to achieve spending cuts and entitlement reforms.

And yet no problem wasting money defending DOMA or voting Obamacare out 33 times….

How about we just shut the House down and go with the Senate and the Pres?

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If Bush were president our “fair and balanced” AJC be running tear jerking stories about the long, long term unemployed, the hardship of the increased payroll tax and the long term physhological damcage caused by our failure to repair the effects of the recession.

And the blacks would be marching in the streets over the unconscousnable unemployment rate for blacks and teenager.

But Bush is not president and nobody seems to care very much.

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I think some of you guys spend too much time here and not enough with current events. Maybe you should watch something beside MSNBC and read other than the hard left pubs.

Obama announced in his last press conference, before the debt deal, that he would not negotiate on the debt. Jay posted a piece to back him up. Media let slide and focused on the cliff negotiations.

Cocky means Obama stands in front of the world and states he will not uphold the law to which he swore. The law reads Congress controls the debt limit, not him. He may not like it, but he is bound by the Constitution to abide by it. He’s a SOB because he will get away with it. How? Because most Americans don’t care or realize what he is doing, and because to stop him it takes the Senate and that’s not gonna happen.

Stop thinking small.

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reb,

Get your failed party out of free commerce.

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If Obama was not such a cocky arrogant S O B the situation would not have escalated to this level this soon.

In modern day terms what he’s saying ^^^ is that Obama is “Uppity”.

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Don’t get me started on that Dog T*rd…

C’mon Josef! You can get another yellow card.

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Wilbur – you are correct, but not deep enough. Think about it. Most media is reporting stories urged by the White House. There is coordination. Colllusion. Truth in journalism is gone. Does the AJC get direction from the WH? No. But look at the stories in the AJC. They are from the NY Times and Associated Press. We live in an age of propaganda my friend. Sad to say, most have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

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It is Georgia. Would you prefer a Junkyard Yellow Jacket, or a Junkyard Rambling ‘Reck?

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Scootter

Well, al Shariff Torquemada DID say that public figures were fair game…is that expletive deleted still a public figure?

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Just throw the fat kids another cookie and it’ll be ok.

Until they start whining for another cookie….

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Looks like Obama will have to deposit the new Ronald Reagan coin.

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treason…BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Don’t miss with that first shot.

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“Just think, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.”

If Kammy had balls he’d tell us if he favors socialism.

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The US Debt Ceiling Explained Like You’re Five

http://hereisthecity.com/2011/08/01/the-us-debt-ceiling-explained-like-youre-five/

(anyone can grasp this brief article)

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Socialism — BOO!

:eek

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Another comment, then back to work.

Why is it Liberals think its OK for armed guards to guard their money at the bank, provide them personal protection, but think putting an armed guard at schools is ridiculous? Seems they value their money and personal well being more than the school children.

If the tactical weapons ban passes, does that mean no more guards at banks and no more armed body guards?

The Liberal mind. Quite a piece of work.

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So Clinton is now lucky because of ‘timing’?? As if George Bush didn’t push us into a war based on non-existant WMDs, or lowered taxes on everyone (via starving government). Nah, that never happened.

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OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

I think they are talking about Monica

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OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

Lucky?

There’s your sign.

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… but think putting an armed guard at schools is ridiculous? Seems they value their money and personal well being more than the school children.

Not intended to be factual statements.

Or rational.

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noneya can’t accept the fact that w blew out our deficit and was a disaster.

Get over it and move on.

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Red card.

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Jay, me either! But then, I don’t recall the last time I’ve been to a junkyard or if I have, actually seen a dog.

But what junk IS Chamblis trying to protect? By his own definition, he’s protecting JUNK.

Otherwise, yes, let’s see any actual real (insert dozens of thesaurus entries here) entitlement cuts come from the Republicans.

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“OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

Lucky?

There’s your sign.”

I guess it is. Other than he received a benefit from something that he had nothing to do with, I guess I’d call that lucky.

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Josef,

Newt is fair game IMO.No yellow card! Fire at will. yeehaw

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IMAM

I guess we don’t have to ask what YOUR New Year’s resolution was, do we?

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

Hmmm… someone is whining about “Obama not following law” when there is no constitutional provision for a debt ceiling. How about Republicans follow the constitution.

Examples of ‘pubs NOT following the Constitution? Just curious.

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getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

noneya,

President Clinton is competent.

Government invested in the Internet and it paid off.

” Yes, GetaClue, Al Whore invented it. “

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noneya,

You can’t change history so stop trying.

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Republicans had their hey day with the recent Fiscal Cliff talks and agreement. It is a different matter when we start talking about not paying China’s interest on $2 trillion dollars worth of Treasury notes.

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competent…

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-bill-clinton-lost-nuclear-codes-office-book/story?id=11930878

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getalife – stop living in denial.

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JohnnyReb — “Joe Mama – I don’t have to ask.”

Of course you do.

Instead, what you do is make crap up and attribute it to others. Just FYI, that’s called a “straw man,” and it doesn’t do a thing for your argument.

“I read it here and elsewhere and see it on TV.”

Apologetics and excuse-manufacturing. Man up and ask us what we think rather than cowering behind your straw men, son.

“Anytime I get to thinking everything will be OK, I come here for a dose of reality.”

And instead of actually *getting* that dose of reality, you engage in fabulism and fantasy by making up thoughts for us and then claiming we actually thought them.

What are you, five years old?

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frog – The debt ceiling is a politically manufactured ‘crisis’ to draw
attention to congressmen wanting to convince their constituents
that their reelection is necessary.

true dat

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Lol. At least Ben’s comment was humorous unlike some of the just plain mean spirited vitriol some of the keyboard warriors on here spit out.

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competent.

Market at 18,000 and they were giving away cars to come to work.

A balanced budget with a surplus that w blew.

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The other half — “Where is UsucK, is it past her quitting time? or did someone catch her posting on her employers time?”

She heard you were coming, so she went to freshen up.

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“He was VP at the time and the buck stop with the President so …”

Hate to break it to you, but the internet was already up and running before Gore became VP. Duh.

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Also, nothing like a little Kamspam to start the weekend!!

Anyone seen this montage of GOPers mocking Hillary?

http://aattp.org/watch-this-montage-of-fox-mocking-hillary-clintons-serious-brain-blood-clot-un-freaking-real/

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BOTH

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The other half — “Joe, Actually she got her Tush slapped by Jay twice earlier and now she’s pouting.”

She was still posting after that.

Besides, some ladies enjoy the tush-slappin’, so you never know.

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giving away cars…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

14th Amendment to US Constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

By refusing to pay our debt Republicans will be going directly against the US Constitution and committing arguably an act of Treason.

When is the last time we actually made a payment on the actual debt? We pay the interest on the debt but our debt keeps increasing each and every day. I guess this means all of our politicians are actually breaking the law by refusing to pay the debt.

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Jay, I will also.

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noneya,

Duh, the defense department built the network and the Internet caught on under Clinton.

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Gosh, Clinton sat on his chance to invade Iraq! W sure was lucky.

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J. Reb — “Joe Mama – as much as you want it to be; this is not your classroom.”

Sorry, son, but that’s another bad guess and straw man on your part. The simple fact is that no matter how much *you* want to believe that you know what we think and want, you simply *don’t* know. You could *ask,* but it appears that for whatever reason, you simply don’t want to.

That said, you could certainly use some education on what liberals think and believe. But whether you get it done in a classroom, on an internet message board or by reading some different newspapers and magazines from what you’re used to makes no nevermind to me.

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Hmmmm Does JR have A.D.D. or something?

The subject is about the Debt Ceiling and Saxby Chambliss………….

What does armed guards in banks have to do with it?

does he think that Saxby should be armed while at the bank?

I don’t get it…………..

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Joe Mama – for the last time. I don’t have to ask. You vomit it out here on a regular basis.

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the other half of your brain
wrong. thus the premise of your nom de blog is false
and if you have to lie to make a point you have no point…

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nonya,

You used the old 57k modem dial up with Aol?

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“DannyX – Clinton also sat on his chance to go after Bin Laden too.”

So did W, before and after 9-11!

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Jay @ 1:46

Yes sir, but in my defense, there was nothing personal about it.

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nonya,

Socialism because DoD invented the network for researchers to share data.

The Web did not catch on until Clinton .

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And the vast majority of posts on this blog have nothing to do with Chambliss, because, quite frankly, he is irrelevant.

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And Clinton was responsible for it?

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“They’ll tell you it was all the result of Clinton (really Al Gore, the inventor).”

Actually the internet was is a result of a Republican, a vast series of tubes.

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Towncrier

FYI

Including the recent deal since the budget control act

Increased Revenue 617B

Spending cuts 1.5T

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Jay
January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm
“What “entitlement reform” do the Republicans have in mind? If you take a hostage, you issue a ransom demand explaining what you want in return. That’s how these things work, right?
Yet they don’t. And they won’t.”

I think Lamar Alexander explained it rather succinctly on CNBC this morning:

http://www.nooga.com/159321/sen-lamar-alexander-calls-for-entitlement-reform-expects-committee-assignments/

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“quite frankly, he is irrelevant.”

Your Senator is irrelevant?

Tell us why.

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“When is the last time we actually made a payment on the actual debt? We pay the interest on the debt but our debt keeps increasing each and every day.”

Doh.

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bad bad Leroy Brown.

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I’m glad at least the media is recognizing and allowing the message that U.S. debt ceiling not being raised means U.S. default and that would be bad.

The alternative is what we saw last time, where most of the media simply let the Sunday morning conservatives push the idea that it meant we would curb “Obama’s spending.” Conveniently ignoring the above and ignoring the fact that the President doesn’t appropriate money, Congress does that.

Right now the message is clear: Congress controls the credit card, and they don’t want to pay their tab.

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“posturing and diatribe is irrelevant.”

So, he has no credibility like rw media.

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Compuserve. (I think that was what it was called.)

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Getalife,
Yep, first one. I think Jay and Kyle must have melded…

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I triple dog dare anyone to step of THIS line:

__________________________________________________________________________

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N. Yobinnes — “Compuserve. (I think that was what it was called.)”

Ah, those were the days.

When you got irritated at someone in chat, you could just flood them right out of their connection by sending them a private message with nothing but the text of the Constitution in it. Boom, out they’d go.

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getalife – new, old, retreads, it doesn’t matter. Never been a politician that wasn’t enamored primarily with hearing their own voice spouting off empty rhetoric.

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Jay

“And with that line, Ben exits the blog showing all the class that he demonstrated throughout his time here.”

Yeah!

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Nero – Here’s your sign

I was poor in college and could only afford a used 33k dial up modem.

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And, now, for some of that “balance” the AJC advertises:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336878/winning-ugly-obama-and-fiscal-cliff-jonah-goldberg

I liked, in particular, this passage:

“Will Obama act on the second part of his mandate? It doesn’t look good. He’s now claiming he already cut $1 trillion in 2011, largely by “cutting” spending no one ever planned to spend. If I plan to build an orbital Death Star for $10 trillion and then think better of it, I’ve cut $10 trillion, according to Obama’s math. His own White House Office of Management and Budget says spending went up $147 billion last year.”

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noneya,

We have some new women in the Senate that you might want to give them a chance.

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Sooth

The money shot from your linkee:

What would things look like if the Fed wasn’t engaged in Monetary Malpractice?

The economy would recover and become healthy.

But it would render extinct the highly profitable boom/bust cycle that our phlogiston economists have become dependent upon.

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Say it ain’t so:

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/01/new-study-suggests-u-s-fiscal-stimulus-generates-less-than-1-in-gdp-growth-for-every-1-spent/

No way! It can’t be!!!

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WHY CAN’T SPENDING BE CUT SO WE ACTUALLY WON’T NEED A HIGHER DEBT CEILING.IS THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? CUT CUT CUT

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s

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Mystery meat may have “what the hell is he talking about itis”.

Its an inflammatory condition of the bowels.

causes crap to come out of one’s mouth……………and spill onto their keyboard.

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DEATH STAR JOBS ARE UNION JOBS

we can’t cut those

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With these two, you can see why the AJC is on the ropes.

The AJC is doing just fine.

Print circulation is down but it is everywhere.

There is a little thing called the internet these days.

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With these two, you can see why the AJC is on the ropes.

There is a little thing called the internet these days.

BTW This is a lie Bill Orielly uses all the time on his dim audience.

He will point to circulation of some “liberal” paper and exclaim .. See See the “folks” are rejecting them blah blah blah.

What he wont tell you is people just dont get the paper anymore. Heck you cant even get a Sunday Atlanta paper south of Newnan Georgia.

Who cares. Its all on the net anyway.

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ajc profits are down…………………..
will be bought by Al Jazerra Corp very soon………..
Cox Media makes more money from AUTOTRADER

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Obama said he will not play this game of chicken with Republicans threatening to blow the place up again. He’s got to take that stand and not negotiate with those economic terrorists. He can use the 14th Amendment to justify raising the debt ceiling by himself since the whole faith and credit of the US is on the line. He should do that. It’ll be a case that’ll make it to SCOTUS, and if the “justices” know anything about the 14th amendment, they will have to go along. That’ll take the explosive vest off the GOP once and for all.

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Robert Lee,

Hell I remember the old 300 baud modem adventures with my Commodore 64.

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It’s apparent the AJC has a specific strategy of keeping some of their original content off the internet in order to sell more print.

I dont know what in the world that would be.

The point still stands however. Circulation is down not because everyone is rejecting the “liberal” AJC.

Its because of the internet.

There can be no dispute on that.

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“Hell I remember the old 300 baud modem adventures with my Commodore 64″

Yup – I have fond memories of the old Prodigy bulletin board @ 1200 baud…

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The Senate is doing judt fine for us. Remember when Obama started this dance he wanted 1.6 trillion in revenue. The repub in the house offered 800 million and the final Senate bill only gave the dems 600 million. I am not complaining job well done by the party in the minority same the tax payers 1 tillion dollars.

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“local newspapers will be swallowed up or sold to larger media companies who will use the local site to segway into their NATIONAL SITE”

cool – I LOVE segways!

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Nero, I got a late start, had to run around central american for a few years for Reagan. I didn’t get into them until I was in school after.

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I’m a lib and I can’t remember the last time I watched MSNBC. But I suppose you conservatives think we are like you and only get our news from one source…

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Speaking of Junkyard Dog, I fondly remember watching him wrestle back in the early 80s. His feud with Michael P.S. Hayes of the Fabulous Freebirds was always a favorite. R.I.P.

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Robert Lee,

Better late than never .

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Actually it was the rich investing their Regan tax cuts that led to the prosperity and balanced budget of the Clinton era. Just like we’re now beginning to see the economy rebound thanks to the Bush tax cuts that even the enlighthed one was smart enough to leave in place for four years.

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…Regan tax cuts…

Debunked here countless times.

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Grits – there was an internet before packet switching
ARPANET was decommissioned in 1990

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“The regulatory tsunami was held off until after the election. But here it comes….”

Might even be like all those foreclosures they held back……. Is that tsunami hitting yet?

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TBS doesn’t believe in the NY Times. Until they say something he supports.

meh, no surprise

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Kam – debunked here several times. Yes, you have been. 1) Reagan changes only result in a net tax increase when you count SS as a tax. 2) Even including SS tax the rich paid less and the middle class paid more. So there was a net tax increase but the rich got a huge tax decrease and they’re the ones whose investments led to the dot.com bubble. Clinton got credit for the glory days of the bubble and Bush had to deal with the bubble bursting and the resulting recession.

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Jm

It was your assertion about foreclosures. Were you lying, did you get bad information or what? You have never backed it up with anything more than your mouth

“meh, no surprise”

If the info is out there great. Post it.

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Kamchak-intelligent conversation-debunked here everyday….

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JM
Headlines JM wants to see??

“FDA gives up…..eat all the contaminated hamburger, peanuts, spinach, raspberries, etc you want.”

“FDA supports botulism toppings on ice cream”

“FDA calls for more lead in your food”

“FDA promotes National Explosive Diarrhea day”

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GRITS – from your wiki link…and as I stated above

The first message on the ARPANET was sent by UCLA student programmer Charley Kline, at 10:30 pm on 29 October 1969, from Boelter Hall 3420.[16] Kline transmitted from the university’s SDS Sigma 7 Host computer to the Stanford Research Institute’s SDS 940 Host computer. The message text was the word login; the l and the o letters were transmitted, but the system then crashed. Hence, the literal first message over the ARPANET was lo. About an hour later, having recovered from the crash, the SDS Sigma 7 computer effected a full login. The first permanent ARPANET link was established on 21 November 1969, between the IMP at UCLA and the IMP at the Stanford Research Institute. By 5 December 1969, the entire four-node network was established.

yeah it was Gore alright

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Jam

Supply Side Singapore: What do you expect?

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Is America shrugged a parody or a parrot? Its getting harder and harder to tell.

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Frog: All government checks are entitlements if entitlement means a
benefit prescribed by law

SSI shouldn’t be. Millions of us below 50, have been paying into a system since we’ve had our first job at 15 working part time at McDonald’s.

We’ve paid money in and now they’re saying they want to CUT benefits? Are they going to cut our monetary input INTO the system.

We’ve funded everyone else’s retirement, it’s OUR turn now. SSI should not be touched. Defund these gas companies — take away their subsidies. They unlike a vast majority of Americans,don’t need them.
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JM: Predictable. The regulatory tsunami was held off until after the election. But here it comes….

Sometimes, JM, I think you’re boderline insane. You don’t regulations? Then you don’t have to live with them. No one is MAKING YOU buy food from the grocery stores or go to a resterant — you can stay home, catch, grow, raise, slaughter, your own food. And then you can just Damn those pesky “rules” on cleanliness.

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Reagan caused the dot com bubble 10 years after his 2 terms????? CRAY-CRAY~~!~!

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rule to protect the southwestern willow flycatcher

Ok, FS, I will bite.

What is it about this particular species that makes you feel it is expendable?

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democrats can REDUCE gun ownership by TAXING guns, ammo, licensing, etc………. and if you make the taxes high enough you reduce them

Sam, It may slow them down but will not reduce them. Only turning them in will reduce them.

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Reagan caused the dot com bubble 10 years after his 2 terms?????

Yep, the mere mentioning of his name can cure eczema, seborrhea and the heartbreak of psoriasis.

Can also be used as a floorwax.

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RIP F SINKWICHS PATRIOTISM ????-2012

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““F.D.A. Offers Sweeping Rules to Stop Food Contamination”

Predictable. The regulatory tsunami was held off until after the election. But here it comes….”

Horrible. “Cause being able to eat without dying of food poisoning is obviously a socialist plot….

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We’ve paid money in and now they’re saying they want to CUT benefits?

Actually Jay is saying this too. I disagree with him. I consider any cuts to SS (including how inflation is indexed) or Medicare benefits (including any chicken-manure means-testing) completely unacceptable.

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Jhunt: Um, if we run a trillion dollar deficit, isn’t there a trillion dollar stimulus? Which btw, should also be subtracted from GDP growth to determine real growth.

What are you talking about? Just because we have a deficit doesn’t mean it’s all stimulus. That’s a pretty deliberately warped view from what I assume must be a dig at Keynes, from not understanding what he was talking about.

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Jm: Where did I say I object to regulations? I don’t. We need some.

Jm endorses the Democratic position.

Seriously, Jm, Democrats are for reasonable regulation, not piling on a number as though they have a quota. Nor are Democrats going to accept that you must set the bar at a certain number of regulations and not cross it. If the regulations are reasonable, the amount of them doesn’t matter.

If you agree with this, you have endorsed the Democratic position.

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Elizabeth Cook and the incomparable Todd Snider at the Variety Playhouse

Don’t go smokin’ that wacky tobacky while you’re there, y’hear?

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I gave up this country the day after the election. It is peopled now by people to stupid to live.

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Chambliss will “address spending cuts and entitlement reform” on orders of his Big Business sponsors, who are furious at the increase of taxes on the rich.

For Chambliss and other Republican pols, it’s a hair-raising balancing act between keeping his sponsors and electorate happy.

This is getting harder and harder as greed obsessed Big Business sternly ORDERS “no more compromise”, while increasingly savvy Repubican voters(who would have ever thought that) are demanding accomodation with the Democrats, or else.

You get what you pay for and election crazy Republicans, who decided to do anything to get elected, are finding the tab is now due.

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Steve – Going over the fiscal cliff was presumed to be disastrous for the economy because the higher taxes and lower government spending would slow down the economy. Higher taxes would slow down the economy.
If you take $700B and immediately create or keep jobs with the money, like Obama’s stimulus, you get a very quick impact. But when you’re talking capital investment and R&D stuff the impact takes a lot longer to materialize.

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Towncrier: Wait…I thought Republicans were racists and nazis, but now you’re saying they’re terrorists? Which is it? Oh…I get it…you’re making stuff up.

Technically he’s making an analogy, which should not be easily dismissed in ridicule as an attempt to make it seem as though said analogy is invalid. If you think the analogy of “suicide bomber” is not accurate, state your reasoning. Are they NOT threatening to blow up an economy upon which they and their constituents depend?

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Adam – If the regulations are reasonable, the amount of them doesn’t matter.

If you agree with this you have endorsed the Democratic position

cite? I’ve looked and can’t find this as a Democratic position

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Harvey
I gave up this country the day after the election. It is peopled now by people to stupid to live.
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please. call 911 there is help available for those contemplating suicide
unless it is blog suicide..

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“It is peopled now by people to stupid to live.”

harvey: don’t do anything drastic. Living is a great option.

Seek medical and or psychological help if needed

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“Seriously, Jm, Democrats are for reasonable regulation, not piling on a number as though they have a quota. Nor are Democrats going to accept that you must set the bar at a certain number of regulations and not cross it. If the regulations are reasonable, the amount of them doesn’t matter. If you agree with this, you have endorsed the Democratic position.”

There is little doubt that Democrats are for regulation, but there is more than a little doubt that they are for “reasonable regulation” – and therein lies the rub (and, in fairness, I think the same charge may be fairly leveled at some Republicans as well). Here’s one article to counter you (can I say?) almost glib statement:

http://www.economist.com/node/21547789

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Seriously Folk
Many European nations subsidize also but as you point out
so do we. But generally I agree.

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Kamchak you beat me “too” it.

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@ guy at 2:12

As long as we continue to run deficits there will be a need to raise the debt ceiling. No reasonably sane person thinks we will have a balanced budget or be in surplus anytime soon. There may be some that fantasize about this but they aren’t being practical or realistic.

The debt ceiling MUST be raised to fund expenditures the U.S. Congress and President have jointly already approved The debt ceiling date is triggered by the speed with which approved spending actually occurs, i.e. when we need to have authorization to borrow more money to pay for the expenditures we have just incurred or will incur. You don’t want to be raising the debt ceiling every month so there is some debt planning that is a factor in what is requested during a debt ceiling approval.

As we bring down the debt there will be less need for increasing the debt ceiling. But until then it is essential to prevent the U.S. from defaulting on its EXISTING debt. A default would dramatically increase the cost of the borrowing we would still have to do and take the economy into a dangerous downward spiral. We are seeing growth in the economy, albeit slow. A default would almost assuredly reverse that and hurl us back into recession.

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All predictions of the GOP caving in on the debt ceiling after their credibility rappelled down the cliff are based on Obama not negotiating on entitlement spending. If that’s so, then we’ll be spending the money reserved for the two bush wars on ourselves. Is that okay with everyone? Can we actually spend money on America? And F the Iraqis? Can we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure? But what about the Iraqi infrastructure? Provide healthcare to our sick? But what about the sick in Iraq? and wont Bush complain if we stop pouring billions into that hole he made in the sand in the desert in Iraq? What about the honor of the bush family? Aw, come on, when something sounds too good to be true, it usually means there’s a catch. What could the catch be if America spends money on America?

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deegee
If they had to sit through one hour of a macroeconomics discussion their eyes would glaze over.
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their eyes would probably glaze over in one hour of home economics discussion

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Towncrier: Here’s one article to counter you (can I say?) almost glib statement:

Actually that article doesn’t counter my statement about the Democratic position. It merely attempts to make complexity and numbers arguments (too many regulations, too many pages, complex is bad, etc). It only attempts to address what is reasonable but doesn’t quite get there, preferring to do this:

America has a lot of regulations
Some of these regulations have many pages
Many pages means necessarily complex
Many regulations have many pages
Many regulations is too many
Therefore, America is over-regulated

It’s a piece of logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

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Nothing succeeds like persistence – unless you’re Orly Taitz.

She failed. Again.

Birthers.

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“Technically he’s making an analogy, which should not be easily dismissed in ridicule as an attempt to make it seem as though said analogy is invalid. If you think the analogy of “suicide bomber” is not accurate, state your reasoning. Are they NOT threatening to blow up an economy upon which they and their constituents depend?”

It (like the other two I cited) is an emotionally laden analogy – something I see plenty of evidence liberals have no problem employing. And yet, people like you seem to sniff your nose at any questioning of such language, assured that its use is not only accurate but fully justified. I don’t know what to say to you in response, except that I can only assume YOU don’t mind being called a racist, nazi or terrorist when someone else feels you behavior warrants it. Otherwise, of course, you’d be holding to a double standard.

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oily is competing for the worst American award.

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Towncrier

This is astounding: “Next year the number of federally mandated categories of illness and injury for which hospitals may claim reimbursement will rise from 18,000 to 140,000.”

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Towncrier: It (like the other two I cited) is an emotionally laden analogy

Only if you CHOOSE to react emotionally to such an argument. Otherwise, how can you know for sure in text that the person was emotional? And does that invalidate the underlying point, or does it just mean you can focus on discussion that doesn’t involve the emotional stuff?

If I am race baiting, I’d expect to be called a racist. If I am threatening to blow up the entire economy to get my way, I’d expect to at least be called a hostage taker, as Jay himself did above. Terrorist is not that far off as an analogy to this type of behavior.

But, back to the real point, which you ignored:

Are they NOT threatening to blow up the economy upon which they and their constituents depend?

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Keep

I wonder if our good buddy David Farrar was there.

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Jm: And the Democrats haven’t shown the slightest interest in getting rid of them.

Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement. And I have already presented some evidence indicating so.

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Well, I think we should just do what Donald Trump does when he gets in over his head. Instead of raising the debt ceiling we ought to just declare bankruptcy. Oh, we might decide it’s OK to pay off the treasury bonds held by all the grannies and alot of the old White coots, but we ought to tell the Chinese to stuff it and if they don’t like not getting paid they can have a H-bomb sandwich.

This will give us a fresh start. And it will strike a blow against Communism too. We’ll just tell the Chinese Commies they were crazy for loaning us money they knew we can’t repay. Sort of like them two GA legislaters.

The two legislaters and The Donald done charted the course for us. If it’s good enough for them it ought to be plenty good enough for us.

Have a good weekend everybody.

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not a surprise: “America’s share of initial public offerings fell from 67% in 2002 (when Sarbox passed) to 16% last year, despite some benign tweaks to the law. A study for the Small Business Administration, a government body, found that regulations in general add $10,585 in costs per employee. It’s a wonder the jobless rate isn’t even higher than it is.”

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Jm: If you’re really going to argue that SOX is a bad thing I’m going to have to just say you’re wrong and you have no idea what you’re talking about until you, as I do, have to deal with the consequences in daily work life and have read up on the history and reasons for the act.

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I’ll huff and I’ll puff and… I’ll huff and I’ll puff and… I’ll climb in the tanning bed and I’ll huff and I’ll puff, exclaimed Sax.

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Now fire back with “But you said _______ which is not the same as ______” so that you can show that you know what I actually meant, but you’re just trying to argue semantics.

one of us is anyway

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I want to know which radio host or Fox News personality was the first to perpetuate this false idea that if government spends at all, that Obama and Democrats think that means stimulus, etc etc, in the last 24 hours.

I mean, this HAS to be the reason this nonsense got started.

You people who thought Hillary was avoiding testifying for Benghazi by “faking” a blood clot, you know who I’m talking about!

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The gop turned the debt limit into a giant regulation.

Get out of our economy gop.

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Adam – Are they NOT threatening to blow up the economy upon which they and their constituents depend?

Aren’t both sides doing that? I mean President Obama himself said that he will not negotiate the on the debt ceiling…How is that not “my way or we’ll blow it up”?

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Frog

I’m not discussing Bush. I’m talking about our current president. But I agree, Bush was a disaster of his own sort.

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Frog: The Republicans who want to protect their grandchildren
plan to do it by reducing the benefits their grandchildren will receive.
Thanks Grandpa.

Oxymoron thy name is Republican.

stands: . I consider any cuts to SS (including how inflation is indexed) or Medicare benefits (including any chicken-manure means-testing) completely unacceptable.

Word – anything that I “pay into” is NOT an entitlement. I have funded other people’s retirement with my payroll deductions, and now they’re saying, “Tough Sh##t!”? Not acceptable to me. I should be able to enjoy the same benefits that my Grand had.

The only thing I don’t mind seeing cut is Medicare — and that’s ONLY because Obamacare will soon cut the need for that service. Other than that, since I’m paying into it, I would be hopping mad about Medicare cuts too.

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jm,

romney lost.

Big time.

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I’m sure the Republicans are willing to raise the debt ceiling for the interest portion of future debt.

It’s the other 90% of the bill that gives them heartburn. And me too.

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jm,

A default is the ultimate regulation and a threat to the global economy.

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Thank you for conceding that I was correct

only in your mind Adam

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I mean President Obama himself said that he will not negotiate the on the debt ceiling…How is that not “my way or we’ll blow it up”?

Oh bullcrap. Obama is willing to negotiate and compromise on budget, spending, deficits and more. You don’t destroy the country to “negotiate”.

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Jm
The wars that began in the Bush term and continued in the
Obama term will be the cause of both disasters but I cannot
blame Obama for not cutting and running. We have little
dignity left now, but kids need to quit dying in futile wars.

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“Broken government standing in the way of our economy” cnn.

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Jm

January 4th, 2013
3:37 pm

“romney lost.”

House is Republican. Big time
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Not as big as before

and it’s what? 1/2 republican and 1/2 teaparty???

Good luck with that.

Really.

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Jay, here is a new year resolution for you, think of some new stuff for your syncophants instead of maintaining the same old exremist rants and preoccupation with the most right wing or left wing parts of the political process. THINK outside your box, Kam Jam, Deb and the granny are getting boring.. Use your pulpit to educate your biased followers, say discuss the history of the peloponnesian war and the concepts of strategy as discussed by Thucydides and how this relates to political strategy, too much?.. perhaps the Happy Valley lawsuit is more the STYLE of you and “Jamvet”….

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Kamchak

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I simply stated that both sides are threatening to blow up the economy

Well you may have stated that but Obama is not threatening any such thing. So you seem to be suffering from confusion.

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Adam – You have failed to point out how I am wrong

you have failed to prove how you’re right….semantics i know

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“House is Republican. Big time”.

You lost seats.

14 you will lose more.

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I see that sophistry Adam is hard at work today.

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Erwin: you have failed to prove how you’re right….semantics i know

Actually I did show myself to be correct in the very post in which I responded to you asking for citation. I gave you two citations. You have not argued on substance with them.

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Why does the house only work 3 days a week ?

The president don’t pay the bills, that’s congress’s job. To not blame congess would be wrong…. but

Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican. Learn it, live it, love it.

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Jm

This is astounding: “Next year the number of federally mandated categories of illness and injury for which hospitals may claim reimbursement will rise from 18,000 to 140,000

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If you are referring to ICD-10 codes
Work on ICD-10 began in 1983 and was completed in 1992 implementation in 2014.

over 20 years to work on it and it’s a NEW regulation.

BTW have you apologized for your John Lewis BS yesterday?

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Jay, it was Obama who drew the first line in the sand (”I will not negotiate”).

Democrats think Obama has more clout than he does. Previously, he could say, “the Republicans are holding the debt ceiling hostage in order to protect those millionaires and billionaires”. But that no longer holds water, as he just got his tax hike. He lost the populist attack point by winning on the fiscal cliff. Now is the time for spending cuts. The American people will see that Republicans compromised on the fiscal cliff… now it is time for Democrats to make some sacrifices. No one will hold the Republicans responsible when… thus far… they are the ONLY party to have compromised.

“In the non-abstract, failure to raise government borrowing limits means U.S. default — and with it potential credit downgrades, market panic and resulting economic distress. Is the GOP willing to inflict that on the economy?”

This might be true… if the Republicans had not just compromised on the fiscal cliff. Now this argument has no meaning, and it will the the President “I will not negotiate” who will be viewed as delivering ultimatums.

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Oh boy I’ve been waiting for someone to post something like this for a while now!:

Want to know why companies are moving their R&D facilities overseas? Because the governments of India and China INVEST and underwrite R&D.

Want to know what will happen if they move the majority of their facilities overseas,(which would save the LOTS of money)?

Bolivia expropriates Spanish energy subsidiaries -

Morales said he had “been forced to take this step” to ensure that electric service rates remain “equitable” in the regions of La Paz and Oruro.

Thanks for the opening!!

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Whining alex can’t quit us. He’d like to, but he hasn’t the willpower.

These nuts would put George Walker Bush right back in the White House tomorrow, if they could.

And many Americans know it. Thus, the staggering lack of trust in the cons now.

I said that when the banksters committed their Crimes of the Century, it would take ten years for us to recover. I still stand by that prediction.

The ONLY tiny silver lining is that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove/Rice toxicity will last even longer.

If the GOP recovers in ten years, I’ll be shocked…

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TC, do you like Scrabble?

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” Is the GOP willing to inflict that on the economy?”

It is a good way to make enemies in the global economy.

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This is what I mean about semantics. I’m not playing that game. You’ve been reading my posts and you know what I meant

I look for my clairvoyant hat next time

Actually I did show myself to be correct in the very post in which I responded to you asking for citation. I gave you two citations. You have not argued on substance with them.

Adam…your statement can not be quantified nor do your links help in definition…so it is impossible to argue your vague statement to any conclusion…I can’t find that dang hat

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We have little
dignity left now, but kids need to quit dying in futile wars.

Amen.

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Word – anything that I “pay into” is NOT an entitlement.

Wrong. Anything that you receive more than you pay into IS and entitlement. If you pay $10k and receive $100k in benefits… that is an entitlement. You didn’t earn that other $90k. For nearly ALL people, Medicare is an entitlement. For MOST people, SS is an entitlement.

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I know Jay monitors this so I hope he’s listening. First of all, Jamie Dupree, a fellow co-worker of his said recently if you cut every piece of discretionary spending and all you had left was SS and Medicare spending, what we take in 2012 will not cover those two entities. In saying that, WE have to raise the debt limit! And unfortunately, we have to raise some revenue too. But, we don’t have the revenue to maintain the level of spending we are doing today. I find it irresponsible to do so. And don’t give me this Dick Cheney crap about deficits don’t matter, he’s some crusty ole dude retired in Wyoming somewhere. Unless the American people are comfortable with the Federal gov’t taking in about 4 Trillion in tax revenue, we can’t sustain this! Within reason, the Federal gov’t shouldn’t spend anymore than what it takes in, I get emergencies, stuff happens unfortunately. We can’t go on like this. You can’t ask one segment of the tax base to pay for all of this stuff either! That is unfair and unresponsible! You can’t tell me those who make that much will not change their behavior. Last time I checked, they “the rich” are human too. I’m on the lowest tax bracket and I can tell you when gas is cheap, under $2.00 and groceries were cheap, I spent a lot more money, when those commodities rose in price, I adjusted my behavior and spending. And I’m telling you, at some point, those who some consider rich will change their behavior when they see less in their paycheck, wallet, bank accts, or whatever. When they do that en mass, those who earn less or provide services for those who are “rich,” we are going to feel it.

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get

re the 2014 elections

I’m not sure that the Repubs will lose that many seats, the TeaParty on the other hand I think will be toast.

A more moderate congress is called for in these trying times IMO (both left and right)

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Wait…page refreshed and I’ll say a few more things in going:

TBG:

“TC, do you like Scrabble?”

A curious question (is it honest?). I mean, why do you ask?

Adam:

“First debt ceiling deal, Fiscal cliff deal, need more?”

Respectively, not from you. You astound me sometimes. It appears that you imagine these two “deals” represent the sort of substantive cuts needed to at least not spend much more than we are taking in until we can (hopefully – there is NO guarantee) get our economy humming again and start paying off our debt. Thanks for the convo, however.

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DDR….there’s more to what Morales did in Bolivia,,,,,,

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323635504578211503835638308.html

What if the same steps were done here…particularly with the BANKS??

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joe,

The sky is not falling.

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Towncrier
A curious question (is it honest?). I mean, why do you ask?
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paranoia will destroya

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And don’t give me this Dick Cheney crap about deficits don’t matter…

Head in the sand.

There’s your sign.

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“So much for “grass roots” Tea Party.”

The Tea Party has been one of the biggest cons of the last 50 years, and of course it was the gullible Republicans that ate it up.

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Liberals agree. Deficits really don’t matter.

Right now, deficits don’t matter — a point borne out by all the evidence.- Paul Krugman

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/deficits-and-the-printing-press-somewhat-wonkish/

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“You astound me sometimes”

To be fair he astounds quite a few people.

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Kamchak, again you miss my point, deficits do matter, they have alway mattered, especially for me…I will ask you directly, since you like that sort of thing

Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?
How large in terms of budget size should our Federal gov’t be, 2,3,4,5 Trillion, what priorities, should the budget be balanced, or run perpectual deficits every year?

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“Why is it so difficult for Democrats to do simple math?”

You mean like this,

$1.5 trillion wars + Billions a year for Med D + Massive tax cuts = Balanced budget?

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“The Tea Party has been one of the biggest cons of the last 50 years, and of course it was the gullible Republicans that ate it up.”

Danny X has a case of tea party envy. A tablespoon of pepto bismol may help Danny boy.

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“The Tea Party has been one of the biggest cons of the last 50 years, and of course it was the gullible Republicans that ate it up.”

You are a moron and you must love it. The liberals have been beating their breasts since Woodrown Wilson and have not done that much to destroy American with communism until recently. So that makes the liberals the largest con in the last 100yrs.

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You get this picture of a bunch of Republicans getting back to Washington, having a few drinks, celebrating the Dawgs victory a little and then letting out some news releases. That is why Sam Nunn was such a great senator; he was a Tech grad, and even drunk seldom talked football.

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Erwin: You said the Democratic position was if regulations are reasonable the amount of regulation doesn’t matter

If that’s what I said, then I apologize. What I meant was this:

The Democratic position is in favor of reasonable regulations.

The amount of regulation doesn’t matter if regulations are reasonable, and I have heard some Democrats make similar arguments on TV. It is not in written form that I can find.

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“Should you stop beating your wife?”

yep I had too they made it illegal. Then she became a homosexual. Married a Jehova Witness and moved to California. Now that is about as stupid as I can sound if I were a liberal.

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Adam,

Sorry man but you’re just a lost cause. I think you simply lack the ability to have an ounce of objective thinking on anything political. You’re just willfully blind to anything but a far left perspective and you’re unable to see that. And its unfortunate.

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Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?

We should run up deficits if those deficits pay for stimulus that will lead to higher revenue later, a better economy, and a greater chance to scale back on necessary spending (because it will be less necessary).

How large in terms of budget size should our Federal gov’t be, 2,3,4,5 Trillion,

The budget should not be looked at as having a hard cap like that.

what priorities, should the budget be balanced, or run perpectual deficits every year?

When times are good, the budget should work toward taking in more revenue than the amount spent, by virtue of the above. Assuming we don’t do this too quickly through austerity measures, times should remain good.

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“Now that is about as stupid as I can sound if I were a liberal.”

Nope. You have sounded much worse than that just being you

But have a great weekend

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too little – until mother China cuts the purse strings.

do you have any idea just how much or how little of our debt “mother” China owns?

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Think of the economic stimulus if there were no taxes at all. The government would just print up new money as needed (since they essentially do that anyway). No need to go in debt, just buy paper (with more paper). Problem solved.

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“Should you stop beating your wife?”

Williebkind,

Good luck. You’re going to have a hard time trumping that kind of stupidity.

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Have a great weekend Doom!

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erwin’s cat, I think China holds about 2 trillion of it, actually the US citizen holds most of the US debt in the form of Savings bond and other securities I believe…

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liberal hack

oh, have you stopped molesting 12 year old girls yet
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He never started since Morgan Fairchild visits him regularly

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Towncrier

January 4th, 2013
4:00 pm

TBG:

“TC, do you like Scrabble?”

A curious question (is it honest?). I mean, why do you ask?
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Because at some point, you will be pulled into a “word game”.

Watch.

Erwin’s Cat is almost there.

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Adam,

I read your post. Twice. It was just a dissertation of you trying to justify your mindset.

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I just got on 30 minutes ago, I read the opinion at the top of the page, if he commented later in the posting, I didn’t see it. I don’t think my questions are any sillier than the ones you pose…..

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Thulsa and Erwin: Obviously you didn’t get it, so here’s the short version:

I do not believe in everything Obama and Democrats do.

OK?? Got it? Understand? Simple enough for ya?

Now, let’s move on to the next thing, the new debt ceiling fight.

Short version:

Obama’s position is to raise the debt ceiling and not to hold it as a hostage.
House GOP position is to take the debt ceiling hostage.

OK?? Got it? Understand? Simple enough for ya?

Now if you want to tell me where I am wrong on the debt ceiling fight, please explain yourselves. Otherwise I have to conclude it is nonsense that both parties being equally at fault for an economic terrorism analogy.

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Adam and barking frog, you answered my question but vaguely, there has to be a size, and It can be a hard cap, I agree on having a surplus though, but we aren’t running any type of surplus, in fact we are running huge deficits, at some point, and I believe soon, that has to stop…..

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TBG: Don’t forget, he is a registered Republician.

That’s correct.

Now show me how the majority of Republicans think both parties are at fault for the debt ceiling fight. I have a bunch of articles from fellow registered Republicans about how stupid they are being on this, and how it really IS just them, aside from the above linked ones in Jay’s article.

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liberal hack: and It can be a hard cap,

Not really. That artificially creates a ceiling on the governmental budget when our population is growing, inflation happens, and our capabilities increase as a result of continued technological innovation.

I am not meaning that as snark. I really mean that having a hard cap can’t work. You can say maybe what it should or can be in the next 10 years maybe. But you can’t insist on there being a truly hard cap.

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kamchak, I’m asking YOU, especially since you said I make straw man arguments and have never asked what YOU thought or wanted. If you don’t want to tell me, tell me so….I’m saying philosophically, our federal gov’t should be no more than about 10-12 percent of GDP in terms of budget and size and that we shouldn’t within reason spend more than we take in.

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But you can’t insist on there being a truly hard cap.

Of course not, unforeseen disasters aren’t budgeted.

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I’m saying philosophically…

I’m saying philosophically that I should have a threesome with Douetzen Kroes and Suelyn Medeiros, but that just ain’t gonna happen no matter how “philosophical” I get.

…and that we shouldn’t within reason spend more than we take in.

“within reason”

There’s your sign.

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I know it’s irresponsible to keep spending more than we take in. ARE YOU saying it is not?

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Adam

January 4th, 2013
4:32 pm
TBG: Don’t forget, he is a registered Republician.

That’s correct.

Now show me how the majority of Republicans think both parties are at fault for the debt ceiling fight. – Why do I have to prove something *I* never stated?

I have a bunch of articles from fellow registered Republicans about how stupid they are being on this, – Good for them to realize that. Did you encourage them to stop?

Doomy, Adam said he was a registered repub.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
4:41 pm
I’m saying philosophically…

I’m saying philosophically that I should have a threesome with Douetzen Kroes and Suelyn Medeiros, but that just ain’t gonna happen no matter how “philosophical” I get.
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The question is; Could your old azz heart take it?

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TBG

I’d die trying and go out a happy man.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
4:50 pm
TBG

I’d die trying and go out a happy man.
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Like Robin Harris said “When you gotta go, You gotta go…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFv2YmowJg

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Why’s that, Kam? Do they not like each other?

I really didn’t ask.

One is Dutch, the other is Brazilian.

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Shouldn’t cuss a junkyard dog like that! They aren’t lazy; they actually do some work. They don’t play games; they are straightforward. They are not cowards; they serve their masters. And their masters do not depand on who has the most money to pay them.

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Jm:

What do you know about France?

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They were fighting over Kams affections LOL

I’m sure they would, if they knew of my existence. The trouble came when I broached the idea with Claudia Romani and she wasn’t thrilled with that idea.

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Philosophy is one thing…. but under the rules they must wrestle first! And you know that someone is just going to be upset.

It’s all just fun and games until someone loses an eye a thong.

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“I’m sure they would, if they knew of my existence.”

I guess they don’t fancy circus clowns.

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This is all so surreal/absurd. The lunatic Democrats and their equally crazy enablers in the state-controlled media (that’s you, Jay) know they have arrived at the point where approximately 50% of the populace has a hard time with 2 + 2 = 4, much less debt ceilings and the ramifications of the epic financial mismanagement the Democrats have laid on us over the last four years.

So it becomes quite easy, in our new Orwellian world, to describe Republican attempts at “general fiscal prudence” as mean-spirited attempts to crush those the supreme leader has already crushed, and have it stick! Astounding!

The new bill will add, according to the CBO, approximately $4 trillion to our national debt or deficit, I can not remember which, and at this point, what difference does it make which it is, since we can not pay it off anyway, even at these low interest rates. God help us, although I do not think we deserve much help from anybody.

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He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack, and with a new sock-puppet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXnFHoNQkg

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And just for the record, in a previous alter ego “Upchuck” was pleading for more civility, politeness and straightforward debate on issues.

So busted.

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Yes Thulsa, I have them. And by have them I mean I have bookmarked them. I found them by Google search on “debt ceiling debate” while limiting the search to the last week so as to avoid getting articles from the previous debate.

It CANNOT have escaped your notice by now that some Republicans are audibly freaking out that the House GOP wants to fight via the debt ceiling again. Can it?

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“So busted.”

So satirized. Of course, if one had anything of substance to say then one might not be…excuse me…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…

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Ann Skank Coulter????

Quoting that slimy bigot takes real chutzpah…

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“I know it’s irresponsible to keep spending more than we take in. ARE YOU saying it is not?”

Yes. That is exactly what we are saying. Deficits, schmeficits. And for the goyim among you, that means “there ain’t no such thing when you got a printing press”.

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“Is it that they want to have more spending cuts before they will raise the debt ceiling? AKA “holding the debt ceiling hostage”?”

I dont’ get it. I’ve never “gotten” it. If they want spending cuts why not pass bills to change the spending bills they’ve ALREADY PASSED and that are the source of the debt and the need for a debt ceiling “crisis” They caused it, they have the power to fix it.

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