Saxby Chambliss, a line-drawing junkyard dog
Based on what he told reporters in a conference call this morning, I guess Saxby Chambliss is taking talk of a primary challenge seriously:
“My message to you, Mister President, is you’d better strap on your chin strap very tight because this junkyard dog is going to address spending cuts and entitlement reform in the debt-ceiling debate, and that’s going to be a line in the sand for us Republicans and conservatives.”
Junkyard dogs wearing helmets and chin straps while drawing lines in the sand?
Look, I understand the political pressures that drive such statements. But I just don’t think that Chambliss and his Republican colleagues have thought this debt-ceiling strategy through very well. They’re picking bad ground on which to fight, and once it’s all over, they’re likely to end up even more embarrassed and politically vulnerable than they are today.
And I’m not alone in that thinking. As columnist Kimberley Strassel puts it in the Wall Street Journal:
“In the non-abstract, failure to raise government borrowing limits means U.S. default — and with it potential credit downgrades, market panic and resulting economic distress. Is the GOP willing to inflict that on the economy?”
The WSJ editorial board also seems quite skeptical of the strategy, advocating instead a much more measured, “small-ball” approach to the next two years:
“We’ll support efforts to cut spending and reform entitlements, but the political result will be far worse if Republicans start this fight only to cave in the end. You can’t take a hostage you aren’t prepared to shoot. Do the two GOP leaders have a better strategy today than they did in 2011, and do they have the backbench support to execute it?”
You can’t take a hostage that you aren’t prepared to shoot. Are you REALLY prepared to shoot, Sen. Chambliss? Are you really ready to do to the U.S. economy what William Tecumseh Sherman did to Atlanta? And if not, what happens when your bluff is called?
Maybe I’m wrong here, but when the WSJ editorial board is warning that maybe, just maybe, you’ve gotten a bit radical and need to dial it back, you might want to reconsider all this junk-yard dog stuff.
Even Newt Gingrich, a man not known for political caution, thinks this confrontational approach is doomed to major failure:
As Gingrich put it:
“They’ve got to find, in the House, a totally new strategy. Everybody’s now talking about, ‘Oh, here comes the debt ceiling.’ I think that’s, frankly, a dead loser. Because in the end, you know, it’s gonna happen. The whole national financial system is going to come in to Washington and on television and say: ‘Oh my God, this will be a gigantic heart attack, the entire economy of the world will collapse. You guys will be held responsible.’ And they’ll cave.”
Again, when some of your most dogmatic, aggressive supporters are already questioning the wisdom of your approach, with crunch time still a couple of months away, maybe just maybe you ought to reconsider.
Because once you shoot your hostage, you know what happens next?
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:08 pm
“You astound me sometimes”
To be fair he astounds quite a few people.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:08 pm
Why is it so difficult for Democrats to do simple math?
Karl Rove says, “What?”
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:08 pm
Kamchak, again you miss my point, deficits do matter, they have alway mattered, especially for me…I will ask you directly, since you like that sort of thing
Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?
How large in terms of budget size should our Federal gov’t be, 2,3,4,5 Trillion, what priorities, should the budget be balanced, or run perpectual deficits every year?
Erwin's cat
January 4th, 2013
4:09 pm
Adam –
You said the Democratic position was if regulations are reasonable the amount of regulation doesn’t matter
I haven’t addressed the absurdity of the comment, just I can’t find those talking points listed as a Democratic position..
DannyX
January 4th, 2013
4:09 pm
“Why is it so difficult for Democrats to do simple math?”
You mean like this,
$1.5 trillion wars + Billions a year for Med D + Massive tax cuts = Balanced budget?
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:11 pm
Thulsa: You’re like a robot or a brainwashed cult member that thinks Obama and the Dems can do no wrong. The responsibility for getting things done is on both parties. Your sophistry argument that seems to indicate that Obama bears no responsibility for any impasse is beyond ludicrous.
I do not think that Obama and Dems can do no wrong. I just think the Republicans are doing far worse and there are very few things that I agree with them on. Of those things, they are mostly things that Republicans claim Democrats don’t want but they actually do. But I digress a little because the point is:
If your impression is that I am “like” an Obama bot, you are way off base, because I do not think as you seem to indicate. Just because I have no specifically said in this thread something I disagree with on the Dem and Obama side doesn’t mean those disagreements don’t exist. They are off topic at the moment.
There is no “sophistry” in what I am saying, because the argument I am making is sound: Republicans want to hold the debt ceiling hostage in a game of chicken. Obama doesn’t want to do that. He would rather just raise or eliminate the debt ceiling. Other Dems are now saying they’ll support him paying our bills if the Republicans aren’t just playing chicken after all. But chances are the Republicans aren’t actually going to blow up the economy, they’re just bluffing. And I think everyone, including Obama, knows this. The only benefit I see from this is they can pretend Obama is at fault for market crashes resulting from the Republicans playing this game right before they finally agree to raise the debt ceiling.
Your argument that it is both parties in some equal fashion that have responsibility here is nonsense, as I have just explained above. One party wants to play chicken and the other does not. Your argument only makes sense if you are thinking that Obama should just do what the Republicans want in order to get the debt ceiling raised. Aside from the obvious “my way or the highway” mentality this exudes, the other problem with this analysis is there is no reason to believe that Republicans won’t continue to play their game of chicken if Obama engages in appeasement with them.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:11 pm
“The Tea Party has been one of the biggest cons of the last 50 years, and of course it was the gullible Republicans that ate it up.”
Danny X has a case of tea party envy. A tablespoon of pepto bismol may help Danny boy.
too little time
January 4th, 2013
4:11 pm
I will ask you directly, since you like that sort of thing
Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?
How large in terms of budget size should our Federal gov’t be, 2,3,4,5 Trillion, what priorities, should the budget be balanced, or run perpectual deficits every year?
Good luck with that. That is one of those questions that Democrats will not ask. They would rather bury their heads in the sand and keep spending until mother China cuts the purse strings.
Williebkind
January 4th, 2013
4:12 pm
“The Tea Party has been one of the biggest cons of the last 50 years, and of course it was the gullible Republicans that ate it up.”
You are a moron and you must love it. The liberals have been beating their breasts since Woodrown Wilson and have not done that much to destroy American with communism until recently. So that makes the liberals the largest con in the last 100yrs.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:13 pm
Kamchak, again you miss my point…
No sport, I understood you quite well.
Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?
A silly question that has been addressed here many times. Now is not the time to worry about deficits.
Should you stop beating your wife?
GT
January 4th, 2013
4:14 pm
You get this picture of a bunch of Republicans getting back to Washington, having a few drinks, celebrating the Dawgs victory a little and then letting out some news releases. That is why Sam Nunn was such a great senator; he was a Tech grad, and even drunk seldom talked football.
Dekalb comments
January 4th, 2013
4:15 pm
@ JM @ 3:37
1. Executive Branch – Democratic
2. Legislative Branch
a. Senate 54% Democratic, 55% if you consider the total caucus
b. House – just under 54% Republican
So of the 3 players needed to make law, 2/3 of them are firmly in the hands of the Democrats by comfortable margins. This is the time for Boehner and his caucus to stop threatening to fold up the game board if they don’t get their way and actually participate in governance.
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:15 pm
Erwin: You said the Democratic position was if regulations are reasonable the amount of regulation doesn’t matter
If that’s what I said, then I apologize. What I meant was this:
The Democratic position is in favor of reasonable regulations.
The amount of regulation doesn’t matter if regulations are reasonable, and I have heard some Democrats make similar arguments on TV. It is not in written form that I can find.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:16 pm
too little time, I’m asking, since I was told that I should do such since I build straw man argument, (don’t want to do such) since I’m told all the time Democrats/liberals are the only ones fiscally responsible, that I wanted to know how big they thought the Federal gov’t should be and how much should it spend. I kinda sorta asked that question yesterday and I didn’t get an answer either.
Williebkind
January 4th, 2013
4:16 pm
“Should you stop beating your wife?”
yep I had too they made it illegal. Then she became a homosexual. Married a Jehova Witness and moved to California. Now that is about as stupid as I can sound if I were a liberal.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
4:17 pm
The conned sure do lose it when evidence of their being conned is posted.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:18 pm
Adam,
Sorry man but you’re just a lost cause. I think you simply lack the ability to have an ounce of objective thinking on anything political. You’re just willfully blind to anything but a far left perspective and you’re unable to see that. And its unfortunate.
DannyX
January 4th, 2013
4:18 pm
“The conned sure do lose it when evidence of their being conned is posted.”
That’s for sure!
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:19 pm
Should we continue running deficits, should we continue running up National Debt?
We should run up deficits if those deficits pay for stimulus that will lead to higher revenue later, a better economy, and a greater chance to scale back on necessary spending (because it will be less necessary).
How large in terms of budget size should our Federal gov’t be, 2,3,4,5 Trillion,
The budget should not be looked at as having a hard cap like that.
what priorities, should the budget be balanced, or run perpectual deficits every year?
When times are good, the budget should work toward taking in more revenue than the amount spent, by virtue of the above. Assuming we don’t do this too quickly through austerity measures, times should remain good.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:19 pm
So when is the time to address such things kamchak? I haven’t seen any sort of real answer from anyone about the topic I brought up? oh, have you stopped molesting 12 year old girls yet? since you want to ask silly questions
TBS
January 4th, 2013
4:19 pm
“Now that is about as stupid as I can sound if I were a liberal.”
Nope. You have sounded much worse than that just being you
But have a great weekend
Williebkind
January 4th, 2013
4:19 pm
“The conned sure do lose it when evidence of their being conned is posted.”
I missed it! What post was that? The only people that got conned are those morons on the east coast, west coast, and up north that voted for Obama..
Erwin's cat
January 4th, 2013
4:20 pm
too little – until mother China cuts the purse strings.
do you have any idea just how much or how little of our debt “mother” China owns?
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:20 pm
Thulsa @ 4:18p: What we have here is a failure to communicate…. clearly, since you obviously read my post and took in none of it, to come to that ridiculous conclusion.
Nunna Yobinnes
January 4th, 2013
4:20 pm
Think of the economic stimulus if there were no taxes at all. The government would just print up new money as needed (since they essentially do that anyway). No need to go in debt, just buy paper (with more paper). Problem solved.
barking frog
January 4th, 2013
4:20 pm
liberal hack
too little time, I’m asking, since I was told that I should do such since I build straw man argument, (don’t want to do such) since I’m told all the time Democrats/liberals are the only ones fiscally responsible, that I wanted to know how big they thought the Federal gov’t should be and how much should it spend. I kinda sorta asked that question yesterday and I didn’t get an answer either.
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as big as is necessary and spend as much as is necessary to protect
the peace and prosperity of the American people.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:21 pm
“Should you stop beating your wife?”
Williebkind,
Good luck. You’re going to have a hard time trumping that kind of stupidity.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:22 pm
sorry kamchak, I’ll take that one back, I just reread your question, it was a hypothetical, it wasn’t pointed personally. I’m sorry.
Williebkind
January 4th, 2013
4:22 pm
Have a great weekend Doom!
Nunna Yobinnes
January 4th, 2013
4:23 pm
“Should you stop beating your wife?”
Should you stop wetting your bed?
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:23 pm
erwin’s cat, I think China holds about 2 trillion of it, actually the US citizen holds most of the US debt in the form of Savings bond and other securities I believe…
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:24 pm
Thulsa I have to admit I’m surprised. You aren’t even trying to have any discussion today, just making remarks about people being stupid, lost causes, and such. Usually you have something more than that to go on.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 4th, 2013
4:24 pm
liberal hack
oh, have you stopped molesting 12 year old girls yet
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He never started since Morgan Fairchild visits him regularly
Erwin's cat
January 4th, 2013
4:24 pm
Adam@4:20 (dude!)
I came to that same ridiculous conclusion after reading and “taking in” your post….
That Black Guy
January 4th, 2013
4:25 pm
Towncrier
January 4th, 2013
4:00 pm
TBG:
“TC, do you like Scrabble?”
A curious question (is it honest?). I mean, why do you ask?
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Because at some point, you will be pulled into a “word game”.
Watch.
Erwin’s Cat is almost there.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:25 pm
So when is the time to address such things kamchak?
When we have a budget surplus
I haven’t seen any sort of real answer from anyone about the topic I brought up?
You haven’t? ‘Cause Jay specifically addressed this earlier today.
Maybe if you would read through the comments before running off at the mouth you could discover that your silly questions had already been answered and now your face wouldn’t be so tight.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:25 pm
Adam,
I read your post. Twice. It was just a dissertation of you trying to justify your mindset.
That Black Guy
January 4th, 2013
4:26 pm
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:00 pm
Adam,
I’m just messin with you. Seriously though dude. You really should put down the koolaide for once in your life. You’re like a robot or a brainwashed cult member that thinks Obama and the Dems can do no wrong. The responsibility for getting things done is on both parties. Your sophistry argument that seems to indicate that Obama bears no responsibility for any impasse is beyond ludicrous.
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Don’t forget, he is a registered Republician.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:29 pm
I just got on 30 minutes ago, I read the opinion at the top of the page, if he commented later in the posting, I didn’t see it. I don’t think my questions are any sillier than the ones you pose…..
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:30 pm
“When we have a budget surplus”
Translation- In liberal kook fantasyland we don’t have to do anything and we don’t have to make any hard choices. A magical budget surplus will just up and appear one day in the not to distant future. The magic budget surplus fairy will make it appear- along with chocolately unicorns that poop skittles.
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:30 pm
Thulsa and Erwin: Obviously you didn’t get it, so here’s the short version:
I do not believe in everything Obama and Democrats do.
OK?? Got it? Understand? Simple enough for ya?
Now, let’s move on to the next thing, the new debt ceiling fight.
Short version:
Obama’s position is to raise the debt ceiling and not to hold it as a hostage.
House GOP position is to take the debt ceiling hostage.
OK?? Got it? Understand? Simple enough for ya?
Now if you want to tell me where I am wrong on the debt ceiling fight, please explain yourselves. Otherwise I have to conclude it is nonsense that both parties being equally at fault for an economic terrorism analogy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:30 pm
I just got on 30 minutes ago, I read the opinion at the top of the page, if he commented later in the posting, I didn’t see it.
And there’s your sign.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:31 pm
Adam and barking frog, you answered my question but vaguely, there has to be a size, and It can be a hard cap, I agree on having a surplus though, but we aren’t running any type of surplus, in fact we are running huge deficits, at some point, and I believe soon, that has to stop…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqjJ8xR1Me4
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:32 pm
TBG: Don’t forget, he is a registered Republician.
That’s correct.
Now show me how the majority of Republicans think both parties are at fault for the debt ceiling fight. I have a bunch of articles from fellow registered Republicans about how stupid they are being on this, and how it really IS just them, aside from the above linked ones in Jay’s article.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:32 pm
that black guy,
Were you referring to me or Adam? I’m Libertarian.
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:34 pm
liberal hack: and It can be a hard cap,
Not really. That artificially creates a ceiling on the governmental budget when our population is growing, inflation happens, and our capabilities increase as a result of continued technological innovation.
I am not meaning that as snark. I really mean that having a hard cap can’t work. You can say maybe what it should or can be in the next 10 years maybe. But you can’t insist on there being a truly hard cap.
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:34 pm
BBL
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:35 pm
kamchak, I’m asking YOU, especially since you said I make straw man arguments and have never asked what YOU thought or wanted. If you don’t want to tell me, tell me so….I’m saying philosophically, our federal gov’t should be no more than about 10-12 percent of GDP in terms of budget and size and that we shouldn’t within reason spend more than we take in.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:35 pm
“House GOP position is to take the debt ceiling hostage.”
And that would be your opinion Adam.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:36 pm
But you can’t insist on there being a truly hard cap.
Of course not, unforeseen disasters aren’t budgeted.
Jm
January 4th, 2013
4:38 pm
Economist headline:
America turns European
And yes, the photo portrays Obama as French
Finally the world has woken up
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:41 pm
I’m saying philosophically…
I’m saying philosophically that I should have a threesome with Douetzen Kroes and Suelyn Medeiros, but that just ain’t gonna happen no matter how “philosophical” I get.
…and that we shouldn’t within reason spend more than we take in.
“within reason”
There’s your sign.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:42 pm
I can see where it can’t be a hard cap but there has to be a ball park figure, a goal if you will or range that has be be set, yea increase it for inflation. I’m arguing the US Federal gov’t is too large and needs to be trimmed down, significantly. All aspects of it.
liberal hack
January 4th, 2013
4:43 pm
I know it’s irresponsible to keep spending more than we take in. ARE YOU saying it is not?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
4:43 pm
Wow Adam, congrats! I see your “opinions” are becoming the opinions of members of the GOP about shutting down government and taking the country hostage.
On Friday morning, meanwhile, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told members that he was prepared to use the debt ceiling fight as leverage to get spending cuts.
Its too bad the GOP was not listening when you said this was stupid.
That Black Guy
January 4th, 2013
4:45 pm
Adam
January 4th, 2013
4:32 pm
TBG: Don’t forget, he is a registered Republician.
That’s correct.
Now show me how the majority of Republicans think both parties are at fault for the debt ceiling fight. – Why do I have to prove something *I* never stated?
I have a bunch of articles from fellow registered Republicans about how stupid they are being on this, – Good for them to realize that. Did you encourage them to stop?
Doomy, Adam said he was a registered repub.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:46 pm
ARE YOU saying it is not?
AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, IT IS NOT.
That Black Guy
January 4th, 2013
4:48 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:41 pm
I’m saying philosophically…
I’m saying philosophically that I should have a threesome with Douetzen Kroes and Suelyn Medeiros, but that just ain’t gonna happen no matter how “philosophical” I get.
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The question is; Could your old azz heart take it?
alex
January 4th, 2013
4:49 pm
@JHM, that’s T-h-u…….
@ Jam, ..I keep HOPING you’ll say something intelligent, it’s foolish-I agree, more rants and it’s Friday night when the REAL garbage comes out,
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:50 pm
TBG
I’d die trying and go out a happy man.
Thulsa Doom
January 4th, 2013
4:53 pm
that black guy,
So Adam is a registered Republican. Well I guess its been so obvious that he is of that Republican ilk that somehow or another I musta missed it.
And what’s more he has “a bunch of articles from fellow Republicans on how stupid they are being on this”. A whole bunch of em. A plethora of em I’m sure. Oodles and oodles of em for certain. So many of em they cannot be easily counted.
That Black Guy
January 4th, 2013
4:54 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:50 pm
TBG
I’d die trying and go out a happy man.
____________________________
Like Robin Harris said “When you gotta go, You gotta go…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TFv2YmowJg
td
January 4th, 2013
4:56 pm
ANN COULTER: Why, as that man just said, why aren’t we getting names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits, by definition, do not criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that. Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. They’re tax subsidies. I think, you know, mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.
Just have to love it when the hypocrisy of the left is brought into full view.
Jay
January 4th, 2013
4:56 pm
“I’m saying philosophically that I should have a threesome with Douetzen Kroes and Suelyn Medeiros, but that just ain’t gonna happen no matter how “philosophical” I get.”
Why’s that, Kam? Do they not like each other?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
4:58 pm
Ann Coulter?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
4:59 pm
Why’s that, Kam? Do they not like each other?
I really didn’t ask.
One is Dutch, the other is Brazilian.
bucket
January 4th, 2013
4:59 pm
How did the current POTUS vote on raising the debt ceiling when he was a Senator?
catlady
January 4th, 2013
5:01 pm
Shouldn’t cuss a junkyard dog like that! They aren’t lazy; they actually do some work. They don’t play games; they are straightforward. They are not cowards; they serve their masters. And their masters do not depand on who has the most money to pay them.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 4th, 2013
5:03 pm
Jay
They were fighting over Kams affections LOL
Welcome to the Occupation
January 4th, 2013
5:07 pm
Jm:
What do you know about France?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
5:07 pm
Philosophy is one thing…. but under the rules they must wrestle first! And you know that someone is just going to be upset.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
5:14 pm
They were fighting over Kams affections LOL
I’m sure they would, if they knew of my existence. The trouble came when I broached the idea with Claudia Romani and she wasn’t thrilled with that idea.
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Philosophy is one thing…. but under the rules they must wrestle first! And you know that someone is just going to be upset.
It’s all just fun and games until someone loses
an eyea thong.guy
January 4th, 2013
5:26 pm
Dekalb comments,Read some of the parts of the new bill that was passed and tell me they were neeed. Tax breaks to movie producers,breaks to nascar speedways and tax breaks for Puerto Rico rum producers.What kind of insane crap is this? That’s why we will never cut the deficit! No common sense at all!
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:27 pm
“I’m sure they would, if they knew of my existence.”
I guess they don’t fancy circus clowns.
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:28 pm
“There’s your sign.”
[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…..
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (aka "Knuckle-Dragger")
January 4th, 2013
5:29 pm
This is all so surreal/absurd. The lunatic Democrats and their equally crazy enablers in the state-controlled media (that’s you, Jay) know they have arrived at the point where approximately 50% of the populace has a hard time with 2 + 2 = 4, much less debt ceilings and the ramifications of the epic financial mismanagement the Democrats have laid on us over the last four years.
So it becomes quite easy, in our new Orwellian world, to describe Republican attempts at “general fiscal prudence” as mean-spirited attempts to crush those the supreme leader has already crushed, and have it stick! Astounding!
The new bill will add, according to the CBO, approximately $4 trillion to our national debt or deficit, I can not remember which, and at this point, what difference does it make which it is, since we can not pay it off anyway, even at these low interest rates. God help us, although I do not think we deserve much help from anybody.
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:30 pm
“No sport, I understood you quite well.”
As evidenced by…eh…excuse me [Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…..
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
5:32 pm
He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack, and with a new sock-puppet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXnFHoNQkg
Cosby
January 4th, 2013
5:36 pm
do not worry..Saxby does not have a backbone and will cave. but for all you republican hating, conservative hating big government loving morons try this:
USA – $16.5 Trillion dollar debt – 32.5% of the entire worlds debt
USA – 5% of the Global population
USA – 20% of the worlds annual gross priduction
USA – $238 Trillion in unfunded liabilities
The next four years under Barry – The annoited one:
USA – $21.5 Trillion debt or 40% of the projected worlds debt
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Go Jay, love all over Obama, Harry and Nancy and see what you get – but I guess that tingly feeling running down your leg si..oh well
Jay
January 4th, 2013
5:37 pm
“The new bill will add, according to the CBO, approximately $4 trillion to our national debt or deficit, I can not remember which, and at this point, what difference does it make which it is, since we can not pay it off anyway, even at these low interest rates. God help us.”
Vast, given that your knowledge of such matters is so superior, you of course already know that the $4 trillion you reference means that as a result of the deal, the debt will be $4 trillion higher than it would have been if ALL the tax cuts had been allowed to expire and taxes jumped for everybody.
That’s the base line the CBO was using: They compared the debt to what it would have been if all taxes on everybody had been allowed to go up. Is that what you wish had happened? It sure seems to be, given your complaint.
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:37 pm
“He’s baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack, and with a new sock-puppet.”
Why am I feeling so…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…..?
Jay
January 4th, 2013
5:40 pm
And just for the record, in a previous alter ego “Upchuck” was pleading for more civility, politeness and straightforward debate on issues.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
5:42 pm
Hmmm, them fiscally watch dog GOPpers.
FIRST bill introduced in House. 34th attempt to repeal Obamacare despite CBO saying it will add to deficit and debt. 
Thanks Bachmann!
Jay
January 4th, 2013
5:44 pm
So Cosby, I take it that you’re cool with tax hikes as PART of the solution to our fiscal problems?
Jesse Ventura
January 4th, 2013
5:44 pm
“Philosophy is one thing…. but under the rules they must wrestle first! And you know that someone is just going to be upset.”
That’s why things went my way so often when I was the governor. Just body slam some of those wussies on the floor a few times and you;d be amazed at the cooperation you get.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 4th, 2013
5:47 pm
And just for the record, in a previous alter ego “Upchuck” was pleading for more civility, politeness and straightforward debate on issues.
So busted.
Mr Right
January 4th, 2013
5:47 pm
Was the bill H R 347 a good or bad bill ?
Adam
January 4th, 2013
5:48 pm
Yes Thulsa, I have them. And by have them I mean I have bookmarked them. I found them by Google search on “debt ceiling debate” while limiting the search to the last week so as to avoid getting articles from the previous debate.
It CANNOT have escaped your notice by now that some Republicans are audibly freaking out that the House GOP wants to fight via the debt ceiling again. Can it?
Jay Narko
January 4th, 2013
5:49 pm
“And just for the record, in a previous alter ego “Upchuck” was pleading for more civility, politeness and straightforward debate on issues.”
Oh..oh…somebody – how do they say it here? – got their “fee fees” hurt by some satire. Who are you “outing” next there, big guy?
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:51 pm
“So busted.”
So satirized. Of course, if one had anything of substance to say then one might not be…excuse me…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…
Adam
January 4th, 2013
5:53 pm
if one had anything of substance to say then one might not be
Agreed. So where is your substance?
JamVet
January 4th, 2013
5:54 pm
Ann Skank Coulter????
Quoting that slimy bigot takes real chutzpah…
Adam
January 4th, 2013
5:56 pm
So Thulsa, if the House GOP position is NOT to hold the debt ceiling hostage in the debt ceiling debate, what IS their position?
Is it that they want to have more spending cuts before they will raise the debt ceiling? AKA “holding the debt ceiling hostage”?
Obamatron
January 4th, 2013
5:57 pm
“I know it’s irresponsible to keep spending more than we take in. ARE YOU saying it is not?”
Yes. That is exactly what we are saying. Deficits, schmeficits. And for the goyim among you, that means “there ain’t no such thing when you got a printing press”.
Adam
January 4th, 2013
5:57 pm
BTW can’t help but notice that you didn’t argue against Obama’s position being that he wants to raise the debt ceiling and not to hold it as a hostage.
Doggone/GA
January 4th, 2013
5:58 pm
“Is it that they want to have more spending cuts before they will raise the debt ceiling? AKA “holding the debt ceiling hostage”?”
I dont’ get it. I’ve never “gotten” it. If they want spending cuts why not pass bills to change the spending bills they’ve ALREADY PASSED and that are the source of the debt and the need for a debt ceiling “crisis” They caused it, they have the power to fix it.
Upchuck
January 4th, 2013
5:58 pm
“Agreed. So where is your substance?”
Well, I recently lost a lot of it in the…excuse me…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…
Adam
January 4th, 2013
5:58 pm
I know it’s irresponsible to keep spending more than we take in. ARE YOU saying it is not?
If I may, I would like to point out that you are correct that we cannot KEEP doing it. But we will have to do it for a while before we are able to bring the revenue line back up (since revenues are hard fought) and to bring the spending line down (because honestly both sides spend).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 4th, 2013
6:03 pm
Doggone, for all their whining, whenever there is mention of cutting corporate subsidies, they say “how will that help”
If they were serious, the response would be “yes…and what else”.
The debt was not incurred overnight, nor was in incurred only in the past 4 years. It was intentionally and systematically created by Republicans with the Bush Tax Cuts. It’s going to take time to pay it down.