Saxby Chambliss, a line-drawing junkyard dog

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Based on what he told reporters in a conference call this morning, I guess Saxby Chambliss is taking talk of a primary challenge seriously:

“My message to you, Mister President, is you’d better strap on your chin strap very tight because this junkyard dog is going to address spending cuts and entitlement reform in the debt-ceiling debate, and that’s going to be a line in the sand for us Republicans and conservatives.”

Junkyard dogs wearing helmets and chin straps while drawing lines in the sand?

Look, I understand the political pressures that drive such statements. But I just don’t think that Chambliss and his Republican colleagues have thought this debt-ceiling strategy through very well. They’re picking bad ground on which to fight, and once it’s all over, they’re likely to end up even more embarrassed and politically vulnerable than they are today.

And I’m not alone in that thinking. As columnist Kimberley Strassel puts it in the Wall Street Journal:

“In the non-abstract, failure to raise government borrowing limits means U.S. default — and with it potential credit downgrades, market panic and resulting economic distress. Is the GOP willing to inflict that on the economy?”

The WSJ editorial board also seems quite skeptical of the strategy, advocating instead a much more measured, “small-ball” approach to the next two years:

“We’ll support efforts to cut spending and reform entitlements, but the political result will be far worse if Republicans start this fight only to cave in the end. You can’t take a hostage you aren’t prepared to shoot. Do the two GOP leaders have a better strategy today than they did in 2011, and do they have the backbench support to execute it?”

You can’t take a hostage that you aren’t prepared to shoot. Are you REALLY prepared to shoot, Sen. Chambliss? Are you really ready to do to the U.S. economy what William Tecumseh Sherman did to Atlanta? And if not, what happens when your bluff is called?

Maybe I’m wrong here, but when the WSJ editorial board is warning that maybe, just maybe, you’ve gotten a bit radical and need to dial it back, you might want to reconsider all this junk-yard dog stuff.

Even Newt Gingrich, a man not known for political caution, thinks this confrontational approach is doomed to major failure:

As Gingrich put it:

“They’ve got to find, in the House, a totally new strategy. Everybody’s now talking about, ‘Oh, here comes the debt ceiling.’ I think that’s, frankly, a dead loser. Because in the end, you know, it’s gonna happen. The whole national financial system is going to come in to Washington and on television and say: ‘Oh my God, this will be a gigantic heart attack, the entire economy of the world will collapse. You guys will be held responsible.’ And they’ll cave.”

Again, when some of your most dogmatic, aggressive supporters are already questioning the wisdom of your approach, with crunch time still a couple of months away, maybe just maybe you ought to reconsider.

Because once you shoot your hostage, you know what happens next?

– Jay Bookman

519 comments Add your comment

Lord Help Us

January 4th, 2013
12:48 pm

Newt, the voice of reason…

Lord Help Us

January 4th, 2013
12:49 pm

Firsties again…off to play lotto…

getalife

January 4th, 2013
12:51 pm

We don’t negotiate with terrorists.

If they default, congress should dissolve and we write a new Constitution to get money and religion. out of politics.

josef

January 4th, 2013
12:52 pm

BIG DADDY

“Are you really ready to do to the U.S. economy what William Tecumseh Sherman did to Atlanta?”

Okay, I’ll bite…what DID he do? :-)

Granny Godzilla

January 4th, 2013
12:53 pm

A Republican dog?

To carry forward from the previous thread, what exactly is he licking?

AND is it his or Grover Nordquists?

It’s a puzzlement.

JohnnyReb

January 4th, 2013
12:53 pm

If Obama was not such a cocky arrogant S O B the situation would not have escalated to this level this soon.

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
12:54 pm

Jay citing newt as the voice of reason—priceless !

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

January 4th, 2013
12:54 pm

Read in HuffPost where Prez O won’t even deign to negotiate with these clowns.

So, if he’s NOT going to negotiate, and they’re going to “rev up for a fight”, then who will they be fighting with? Themselves?

Sweet!

Debbie LOVES to see a Conned and Confused politician implode!

Note to self — Buy lots of popcorn.

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

January 4th, 2013
12:55 pm

Real Scootter

January 4th, 2013
12:55 pm

Because once you shoot your hostage, you know what happens next?

You have to shoot yourself?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
12:56 pm

Oh no….Jay mentioned Sherman and Atlanta…josef is running for his boa!

HDB

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

JohnnyReb
January 4th, 2013
12:53 pm

“If Republicans were not such cocky arrogant S O B’s and voted for the sequester, the situation would not have escalated to this level this soon.”

There….fixed it………

getalife

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

josef,

Burning down Atlanta is not good for the economy.

Granny Godzilla

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

Johnny Reb

cocky SOB?

examples?

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

14th Amendment to US Constitution

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

By refusing to pay our debt Republicans will be going directly against the US Constitution and committing arguably an act of Treason.

Which if found guilty they could be shot.

josef

January 4th, 2013
12:57 pm

GOOD FIGHT

Already got it! :-)

josef

January 4th, 2013
12:59 pm

getalife

No? Take a look at Atlanta today…nice little piece of real estate for the Carpetbaggers and Scalawags. :-)

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm

I think it is economic terrorism and treason.

Our President should not negotiate with terrorists like he said.

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm

Since all appropriations must originate in the HOR they are allowing
themselves the authority to spend more money, how silly is that ?
I’m with the President on the debt ceiling, get rid of it.

Erwin's cat

January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm

Saxby is all bark ,playing to his base for re-election….now all of a sudden we’re supposed to think he’ll do what he says he’ll do?….that dog won’t hunt

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:00 pm

josef,

Yes, lets keep it that way.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 4th, 2013
1:02 pm

J. Reb — “If Obama was not such a cocky arrogant S O B the situation would not have escalated to this level this soon.”

:roll:

Can the adjective “uppity” be far behind?

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:02 pm

getalife

Yeah, but take a good look at how it got this way…maybe Saxby et al are on to something…for our future anyway… :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:03 pm

The Newterator is a voice of reason?

There’s your sign.

Erwin's cat

January 4th, 2013
1:03 pm

Burning down Atlanta is not good for the economy.

but it’s shovel ready

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:03 pm

Unhinged: Debt debacle II.

Another downgrade?

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
1:04 pm

Saxby Chambliss, a junkyard dog, I think not. Saxby’s marbles
are rolling all over the floor……

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:04 pm

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:06 pm

josef,

Sure, if the cuts are triggered with full employment and the market at 14,000.

You don’t cut until our economy can withstand the cuts and not bring us back to a recession.

Real Scootter

January 4th, 2013
1:07 pm

The Newterator is a voice of reason?

Only as a Historian. Ask Joesf! :lol:

DannyX

January 4th, 2013
1:09 pm

“Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

It seems to me the 14th Amendment is there to prevent prevent the politicization of our debt payment which is what Republicans are now trying to do, turn our debt into a game of political football.

This is why ignoring past Republican tax cuts and massive unfunded spending is so wrong. Republicans authorized a good portion of our debt. Now they want to play games.

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:09 pm

getalife

Still and all, though, Sherminization do seem to have a long-range gain, if we’re going to use that as the analogy…

SCOOTTER

Don’t get me started on that Dog T*rd… :-)

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:11 pm

Only as a Historian.

A MAJOR hysterian

alittlecommonsense

January 4th, 2013
1:11 pm

You are right Jay, it’s ugly politics using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to get Obama to come to the table for entitlement and spending reforms. But it’s also ugly that Obama doesn’t come willingly to the table. If he did, there wouldn’t be a need for this maneuver.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
1:11 pm

Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” this week, “we Republicans need to be willing to tolerate a temporary, partial government shutdown” in order to achieve spending cuts and entitlement reforms.

And yet no problem wasting money defending DOMA or voting Obamacare out 33 times….

How about we just shut the House down and go with the Senate and the Pres? ;)

Wilbur

January 4th, 2013
1:12 pm

If Bush were president our “fair and balanced” AJC be running tear jerking stories about the long, long term unemployed, the hardship of the increased payroll tax and the long term physhological damcage caused by our failure to repair the effects of the recession.

And the blacks would be marching in the streets over the unconscousnable unemployment rate for blacks and teenager.

But Bush is not president and nobody seems to care very much.

Wilbur

January 4th, 2013
1:12 pm

If Bush were president our “fair and balanced” AJC be running tear jerking stories about the long, long term unemployed, the hardship of the increased payroll tax and the long term physhological damcage caused by our failure to repair the effects of the recession.

And the blacks would be marching in the streets over the unconscousnable unemployment rate for blacks and teenager.

But Bush is not president and nobody seems to care very much.

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:12 pm

JohnnyReb

January 4th, 2013
1:12 pm

I think some of you guys spend too much time here and not enough with current events. Maybe you should watch something beside MSNBC and read other than the hard left pubs.

Obama announced in his last press conference, before the debt deal, that he would not negotiate on the debt. Jay posted a piece to back him up. Media let slide and focused on the cliff negotiations.

Cocky means Obama stands in front of the world and states he will not uphold the law to which he swore. The law reads Congress controls the debt limit, not him. He may not like it, but he is bound by the Constitution to abide by it. He’s a SOB because he will get away with it. How? Because most Americans don’t care or realize what he is doing, and because to stop him it takes the Senate and that’s not gonna happen.

Stop thinking small.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:14 pm

Shorter JohnnyReb: Obama sux and drudgey RULZ!

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:14 pm

reb,

Get your failed party out of free commerce.

Real Scootter

January 4th, 2013
1:14 pm

A MAJOR hysterian

Dang,I should have known I mispelled it! :grin:

DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused

January 4th, 2013
1:15 pm

If Obama was not such a cocky arrogant S O B the situation would not have escalated to this level this soon.

In modern day terms what he’s saying ^^^ is that Obama is “Uppity”.

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:15 pm

Just think, if GW Bush had been elected in 1992, and Clinton had been elected in 2000, Bush would be everyone’s darling, and Clinton would be the object of scorn. Timing is everything.

Of course, Clinton would be blaming Bush for the downturn after 2000. Oh well.

Real Scootter

January 4th, 2013
1:17 pm

Don’t get me started on that Dog T*rd…

C’mon Josef! You can get another yellow card. :smile:

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:17 pm

noneya,

w was incompetent and a disaster that we survived.

Never again.

JohnnyReb

January 4th, 2013
1:18 pm

Wilbur – you are correct, but not deep enough. Think about it. Most media is reporting stories urged by the White House. There is coordination. Colllusion. Truth in journalism is gone. Does the AJC get direction from the WH? No. But look at the stories in the AJC. They are from the NY Times and Associated Press. We live in an age of propaganda my friend. Sad to say, most have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
1:18 pm

Johnny Reb
http://confederateveteran.blogspot.com/
a good source for current events…..

Simple Truths

January 4th, 2013
1:18 pm

It is Georgia. Would you prefer a Junkyard Yellow Jacket, or a Junkyard Rambling ‘Reck?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:18 pm

Just think, if GW Bush had been elected in 1992…

Just think, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

Jay

January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm

OK, Common, let’s play along:

What “entitlement reform” do the Republicans have in mind? If you take a hostage, you issue a ransom demand explaining what you want in return. That’s how these things work, right?

Yet they don’t. And they won’t.

Ask Chambliss what “entitlement reform” he has in mind. Ask Boehner. You know what you get in return? Silence. They refuse to answer.

Why is that, do you think?

Logical Dude

January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm

Sheesh, everyone is misquoting him!

It’s Junkyard DAWWWWG.

You know, that’s how the helmets and chinstraps relate, because, you know. . . football.

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm

Scootter

Well, al Shariff Torquemada DID say that public figures were fair game…is that expletive deleted still a public figure? :-)

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm

getalife – Clinton was only successful because of the technology boom he was fortunate enough to ride for 8 years (when not riding Monica…oops.)

RB from Gwinnett

January 4th, 2013
1:19 pm

Just throw the fat kids another cookie and it’ll be ok.

Until they start whining for another cookie….

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

January 4th, 2013
1:20 pm

I still don’t get this debt ceiling thing, so maybe someone can explain it to me. It’s the debt ceiling about money we have already spent/allocated for past loans? If that is so, then would any of these Congress critters not pay on their personal loan debt for their home or autos? How can they seriously expect us to believe that they would not pay for our countries loans, given in good faith? I can’t see that happening…

But if it does, I would say that those Congress critter who advocate for a national default would be guilty of, if not treason, then sedition, as defined…

“disloyalty or treachery to one’s country or its government. T reason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one’s government. S edition is any act, writing, speech, etc., directed unlawfully against state authority, the government, or constitution, or calculated to bring it into contempt or to incite others to hostility, ill will or disaffection; it does not amount to treason and therefore is not a capital offense.”

…and punished accordingly.

DannyX

January 4th, 2013
1:20 pm

Looks like Obama will have to deposit the new Ronald Reagan coin.

Erwin's cat

January 4th, 2013
1:20 pm

DDR – In modern day terms what he’s saying ^^^ is that Obama is “Uppity”.

modern day terms? try 1880 terms

Jay

January 4th, 2013
1:20 pm

I’ve never seen a bulldog guarding a junkyard, Dude.

Ben Shockley

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

Nero

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

treason…BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Don’t miss with that first shot. :)

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

noneya,

President Clinton is competent.

Government invested in the Internet and it paid off.

Ben Shockley

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

“Just think, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.”

If Kammy had balls he’d tell us if he favors socialism.

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:23 pm

IMAM
@ 1:20

Funny thing, there, but I have…

Steve

January 4th, 2013
1:23 pm

The US Debt Ceiling Explained Like You’re Five

http://hereisthecity.com/2011/08/01/the-us-debt-ceiling-explained-like-youre-five/

(anyone can grasp this brief article)

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:23 pm

“Just think, if GW Bush had been elected in 1992…

Just think, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.”

OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

January 4th, 2013
1:24 pm

Socialism — BOO!

:lol: :razz: :eek: :lol: :razz: :eek

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:24 pm

BEN

“If Kammy had balls he’d tell us if he favors socialism.”

Are you saying if he had cajones, he’d be telling lies?

JohnnyReb

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

Another comment, then back to work.

Why is it Liberals think its OK for armed guards to guard their money at the bank, provide them personal protection, but think putting an armed guard at schools is ridiculous? Seems they value their money and personal well being more than the school children.

If the tactical weapons ban passes, does that mean no more guards at banks and no more armed body guards?

The Liberal mind. Quite a piece of work.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

Hmmm… someone is whining about “Obama not following law” when there is no constitutional provision for a debt ceiling. How about Republicans follow the constitution. :lol:

Steve

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

So Clinton is now lucky because of ‘timing’?? As if George Bush didn’t push us into a war based on non-existant WMDs, or lowered taxes on everyone (via starving government). Nah, that never happened.

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

You could say the gop wants to welch on the bills they piled up.

No personal responsibility, if you will.

I think their unlimited corporate donors should stand up and tell the failed gop to stand down.

Erwin's cat

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

I think they are talking about Monica :D

Steve

January 4th, 2013
1:26 pm

Johnny Reb – when was the last time you walked past an armed guard at your local Wells Fargo?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:26 pm

OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

Lucky?

There’s your sign.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 4th, 2013
1:27 pm

JohnnyReb — “Why is it Liberals think its OK . . .”

Why is it you think you know what we think, when you never bother to ask and you don’t listen when we tell you?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:28 pm

… but think putting an armed guard at schools is ridiculous? Seems they value their money and personal well being more than the school children.

Not intended to be factual statements.

Or rational.

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:28 pm

“noneya,

President Clinton is competent.

Government invested in the Internet and it paid off.”

Rather than the technology companies? But you all say government investing in private industry is a bad thing.

Oh, so when everyone realized it was not a real boom, and the bottom dropped out, who had invested in it then? I know, I know…Al Gore invented the internet. (laughter subsiding now)

Jay

January 4th, 2013
1:28 pm

“Kammy doesn’t need balls. He spends his days swinging from Bookman’s.”

And with that line, Ben exits the blog showing all the class that he demonstrated throughout his time here.

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
1:29 pm

Steve
the debt ceiling as explained to a five year missed one important
point. Congress does not have to call anyone. they can raise
their credit limit by themselves.

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:29 pm

noneya can’t accept the fact that w blew out our deficit and was a disaster.

Get over it and move on.

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:29 pm

But you all say government investing in private industry is a bad thing.

:roll:

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:29 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
1:30 pm

Kam, looks like your fan club is gathering again. They love to track every word you say. I would anticipate the appearance of your club president

Logical Dude

January 4th, 2013
1:30 pm

Jay, me either! But then, I don’t recall the last time I’ve been to a junkyard or if I have, actually seen a dog.

But what junk IS Chamblis trying to protect? By his own definition, he’s protecting JUNK.

Otherwise, yes, let’s see any actual real (insert dozens of thesaurus entries here) entitlement cuts come from the Republicans.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 4th, 2013
1:30 pm

Bye, Ben. Have a good time trolling for bites elsewhere.

Good luck finding that $100K/year MARTA driver, too.

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:31 pm

“OK, so why does Clinton get praised for being lucky timing-wise?

Lucky?

There’s your sign.”

I guess it is. Other than he received a benefit from something that he had nothing to do with, I guess I’d call that lucky.

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:31 pm

RED CARD!

D*ng, al Shariff do be on a roll…

I better go over to the corner and shut up…

Real Scootter

January 4th, 2013
1:31 pm

Josef,

Newt is fair game IMO.No yellow card! Fire at will. yeehaw

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 4th, 2013
1:32 pm

I would anticipate the appearance of your club president

He’s downstairs — late to the party.

As usual.

:lol:

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:32 pm

IMAM

I guess we don’t have to ask what YOUR New Year’s resolution was, do we? :-)

Nunna Yobinnes

January 4th, 2013
1:32 pm

You can’t accept the fact that without the false economic technology boom, Clinton wouldn’t have a surplus.

DownInAlbany

January 4th, 2013
1:32 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 4th, 2013
1:25 pm

Hmmm… someone is whining about “Obama not following law” when there is no constitutional provision for a debt ceiling. How about Republicans follow the constitution.

Examples of ‘pubs NOT following the Constitution? Just curious.

JohnnyReb

January 4th, 2013
1:32 pm

Joe Mama – I don’t have to ask. I read it here and elsewhere and see it on TV. Anytime I get to thinking everything will be OK, I come here for a dose of reality.

Steve – its true every bank does not have armed guards. It’s also true some do, and in every case when the money is being transported the guards are armed. What I posted is not an original thought of mine, but its true. The current hysteria over banning a souped up 22 caliber rifle is total BS and won’t change a thing when it comes to nuts in public. Only the Liberal mind thinks so.

The other half of your brain.

January 4th, 2013
1:34 pm

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:22 pm

noneya,

President Clinton is competent.

Government invested in the Internet and it paid off.

” Yes, GetaClue, Al Whore invented it. “

josef

January 4th, 2013
1:34 pm

SCOOTTER

Not while Big Daddy’s here on the verandah…discretion is the greater part of valor… :-)

getalife

January 4th, 2013
1:34 pm

noneya,

You can’t change history so stop trying.

ktylvr

January 4th, 2013
1:34 pm

Calling Saxby Chambliss a junkyard dog is an insult to junkyard dogs …

RAMZAD

January 4th, 2013
1:35 pm

Republicans had their hey day with the recent Fiscal Cliff talks and agreement. It is a different matter when we start talking about not paying China’s interest on $2 trillion dollars worth of Treasury notes.

barking frog

January 4th, 2013
1:35 pm

The debt ceiling is a politically manufactured ‘crisis’ to draw
attention to congressmen wanting to convince their constituents
that their reelection is necessary. it has never not been raised.