Why the future looks so bleak for the GOP

As I mentioned yesterday, as of mid-December some 53 percent of Americans perceived the Republican Party as too extremist, a record-high number that had jumped 17 percentage points in the two years since the GOP took control of the House in the 2010 mid-terms.

Given what has happened in the three weeks since that CNN poll was released — the GOP House rejected John Boehner’s fiscal-cliff plan as too moderate, and it refused to even vote on an emergency aid package for New York and New Jersey — that number has only risen.

In fact, the party is caught in a long-term downward spiral that will prove difficult if not impossible to escape.

Look at the top issues likely to dominate the 113th Congress: immigration reform, gun control, and the debt ceiling. On each of those high-profile issues, the Republican Party finds itself trapped defending a strongly held but distinctly minority point of view.

In November exit polls, for example, 65 percent of American voters said that illegal immigrants ought to be offered an avenue to legal status. To put it mildly, that is not a position that Republicans can easily reconcile with their base. And in a recent Gallup poll, 58 percent of Americans said they backed stronger gun-control laws; just 6 percent wanted less stringent gun laws, which is the default position of many in the GOP.

The debt-ceiling optics are even worse. The GOP plan is to confront President Obama with two brutal choices: Make serious cuts in Medicare and other entitlements, or Republicans will force the country to default on its debt. Maybe it’s just me, but if you’re trying to shuck a reputation as extremist, that’s not exactly the course I would recommend. As I’ve noted before, even Republican voters oppose Medicare cuts by an overwhelming margin. Yet somehow Republican politicians have convinced themselves that this is a battle that they must fight and can win.

And of course, the group that will continue to define the Republican brand in all these fights will be the House GOP caucus, a group that is considerably more conservative and yes, extremist, than the country at large. It’s not hard to understand why.

Take Georgia’s Republican House members as an example. All eight of them voted against the fiscal-cliff solution that President Obama signed into law yesterday. And all eight are likely to toe the hard-right line on immigration, gun control and the debt ceiling. And the truth is that based on their own narrow self-interest, they’d be fools to do otherwise.

Thanks to gerrymandering, a political evil in which both parties indulge, three of the eight are in such strong GOP districts that no Democrat even bothered to run against them last November. The five who did draw Democratic opposition won re-election by an average margin of 40 percentage points. So none of the eight has anything to gain personally by becoming more moderate.

That brings us to the ultimate question: How can the Republican Party shed its reputation as extremist on the national stage when most of those who create that reputation — the members of the House GOP caucus — have every incentive as individuals to continue on their present course?

I confess I’m stumped by that one.

– Jay Bookman

823 comments Add your comment

F. Sinkwich

January 3rd, 2013
10:23 am

Well, they ain’t gonna “get fixed”by becoming Demo-Lite….

F. Sinkwich

January 3rd, 2013
10:25 am

Demo-Lite = RINO

Lord Help Us

January 3rd, 2013
10:32 am

‘How can the Republican Party shed its reputation as extremist on the national stage when most of those who create that reputation — the members of the House GOP caucus — have every incentive as individuals to continue on their present course?’

I dunno…Country First?

Jay

January 3rd, 2013
10:33 am

“Well, they ain’t gonna “get fixed”by becoming Demo-Lite….”

For the umpteenth time, my point is confirmed within the first five comments.

SBinF

January 3rd, 2013
10:38 am

I agree with F. Sinkwich. What we need is for the GOP to move further to the right, thus hastening their move into irrelevancy!

’cause you know, the whole problem with Republicans is that they AREN’T conservative enough.

:::chortle:::

josef

January 3rd, 2013
10:38 am

They made the mess. They can clean it up. It’s their problem, not mine.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 3rd, 2013
10:38 am

Well, seems to me that wanting to go back to the 1950s ain’t extremist. It’s just old-fashioned. Heck, I’d be in favor of going back to the 1940s if it wasn’t for the war and all that dying. No point in getting killed just to bring back a couple years.

Anyhow, seems to me it would be a good time for some of you young puppies to park your 401ks in some treasury bonds or something. In a couple months the stock market is going to plunge like a space shuttle returning to earth once we default on all that debt. The only good part about that is at least the guvmint will shut down and us Conservatives will finally get what we been wishing for.

Have a good Thursday everybody. And remember what Goldwater said. Extremism in pursuit of virtue is no vice.

Rebar

January 3rd, 2013
10:39 am

I think Forrest Gump said it best, “Stupid is as stupid does”!

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1811, etc.

January 3rd, 2013
10:41 am

“Why the future looks so bleak for the GOP” ???

Because the liberal inmates now control the asylum.

Thus ………….. the future looks even more bleak for our nation.

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
10:41 am

Jay, what is your take on the 14th Amendment?

“The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

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indigo

January 3rd, 2013
10:42 am

Their only hope is the continuing dumbing down of America.

This is what’s kept them in power for so long now.

And, if “they have every incentive as individuals”, that is great good news for the Democrats and sorry news for those unfortunate enough to live in their districts.

Looks like the Party has sown the wind and is now reaping the whirlwind.

Unfortunately when this sh*t hits the fan, all Americans will feel the stink.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
10:42 am

On each of those high-profile issues, the Republican Party finds itself trapped defending a strongly held but distinctly minority point of view.

But concealed behind this indisputable fact is another fact, ignored by the political press: that the core of these views — a continued attack on the social programs of the 20th C and an expansion of a political economy with strong and growing oligarchic character guarded by a growing and unregulated police state — is broadly shared by BOTH parties.

The true disease of Washington is not the madness and extremism of the Republican party per se — real though it is — but the fact that there is no opposition to it, for the Democratic party has merely installed itself in the vacuum at the center right of the spectrum left by the wild shift right by the GOP.

THAT is the true source of the political crisis of our day.

A truly functioning journalism would train its eye on that fact and not simply continue to paint the GOP as being the only source of our troubles.

January 20th, 2009 when President Obama took the oath of office for the first time

January 3rd, 2013
10:42 am

Aquagirl

January 3rd, 2013
10:42 am

And remember what Goldwater said. Extremism in pursuit of virtue is no vice.

I bet Redneck has a nice needlepoint of that saying on his trailer wall, right next to velvet Jesus.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 3rd, 2013
10:44 am

It seems clear that the Republican brand has become linked in a death spiral with these extremes and that as our conned posters clearly demonstrate, any effort to break their spiral before it splats on the ground like Wiley E. Coyote off a cliff will NOT be tolerated. They won’t even let them have the benefit of a umbrella. The sign says “Stupidity Rules!”

F. Sinkwich

January 3rd, 2013
10:47 am

“…as of mid-December some 53 percent of Americans perceived the Republican Party as too extremist…”

Who would have ever thought that in America advocating individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism would be considered “too extremist?”

It’s over.

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
10:47 am

RIP Republican Party 1854 – 2013

(I thought I would fix Sinkwich’s rip.)

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
10:48 am

Yea, it’s really extremist to want to reduce the deficit! They may never make a comeback since it appears we may have reached the tipping point of most of the people are getting stuff and don’t want to give anything up so they vote for whoever promises them the most! The president don’t care about the deficit, it’s all about spending and anyone that wants to stop that is painted by the libs like Jay as extremists! The country cannot survive the spending as we have it and it appears the libs don’t give a —————

SBinF

January 3rd, 2013
10:49 am

The GOP is for individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism?

I guess that’s why they too have engaged in deficit spending, love to give all sorts of tax breaks to large companies, and are so concerned with what happens inside of my bedroom and a woman’s vagina.

You’ve been living under a rock the last 30 years. That’s the only reasonable explanation.

hsn

January 3rd, 2013
10:49 am

The current crop of Republican reps in the US House are turds !

Peadawg

January 3rd, 2013
10:50 am

“As I’ve noted before, even Republican voters oppose Medicare cuts by an overwhelming margin.”

The classic “cut spending as long as it doesn’t effect me”. :roll:

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 3rd, 2013
10:50 am

I am offended that Mr. Right is calling the Dems and Obama extremist for wanting to reduce the debt and deficits. :lol:

Seriously, there is no disagreement on the desire to reduce both, the disagreement in on the methods. Perhaps your failure to understand the real issue is part of your lack of comprehension

Peadawg

January 3rd, 2013
10:51 am

“individual liberty”

Unless you’re a woman or a homosexual.

B
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Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
10:51 am

“Thanks to gerrymandering, a political evil in which both parties indulge”

Make no mistake. The Democrats wouldn’t really want full control of all branches for very long were the opportunity open to them (look at how awkwardly they maneuvered in 2009). They benefit mightily by having the “crazies” in the GOP forming their rightward flank. It’s a very comfortable position for them, as that way they can merely propose right-leaning and pro-corporate, pro-security state policies, but just a little more quietly and carefully calibrated, i.e. minus the attacks on social groups (esp women) that emanate from fundamentalist quarters of the GOP and make them look like a band of preacher yokels.

They can push right wing policies yet still not take a hit for it, with plenty of cover from the majority of their “liberal” base.

It’s what you might call: win-win.

Aquagirl

January 3rd, 2013
10:51 am

Who would have ever thought that in America advocating individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism would be considered “too extremist?”

Where is this party? I thought we were talking about Republicans. You know, the party of the Patriot Act, unfunded wars, socialized medicine (also unfunded) and corporate favoritism.

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
10:52 am

It’s kind of funny how if 53% of Americans think something that makes it gospel but when Obamacare was ramed down our throats it didn’t matter what they thought!

alittlecommonsense

January 3rd, 2013
10:53 am

If party A wants to make difficult choices for the long term good of the country and party B says don’t worry about it – someone else will pay the bill, then party B will be the more popular party. No big surprise there.

Lord Help Us

January 3rd, 2013
10:53 am

I disagree with the CW here…

Republicans from Tea Party to leadership have shown a remarkable elasticity.

For instance, during the W debacle, there was hardly a peep about deficits. The party went Mooslim crazy, but was oddly quiet on the flip from surplus to deficits.

They went crazy about morals during the Clenis administration, but were oddly silent when their own were unable to keep the trouser trout contained…

Their fealty to budget, spending cuts and taxes is yet another temporary fad that will change if the GOP returns to power.

In summary, they are unprincipled in every way…

bookman parrot

January 3rd, 2013
10:53 am

the GOP future looks bleak because there are too many “gimme gimme gimme” folks in the lib fold and not enough producers and makers;

Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
10:53 am

F. Sinkwich: “Who would have ever thought that in America advocating individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism would be considered “too extremist?””

Yep, that’s the Dem party alright. Why are you always aligning yourself with the Democratic party?

You and Bookman. I swear.

Vinny

January 3rd, 2013
10:54 am

The current POTUS is an ass-wipe!

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
10:54 am

“Yea, it’s really extremist to want to reduce the deficit!”

The way Republicans want to reduce the debt is extremist. Republicans want to pay for their massive tax cuts, Medicare Part D, Dept of Homeland Security and the daddy of them all, the 2 expensive unfunded wars by cutting Medicare and Social Security.

alittlecommonsense

January 3rd, 2013
10:56 am

“Where is this party? I thought we were talking about Republicans. You know, the party of the Patriot Act, unfunded wars, socialized medicine (also unfunded) and corporate favoritism.”

Patriot act – extended by Obama
Unfunded wars – Funded by debt just like everything else we spend money on. Not unfunded.
Socailized medicine – really, the Republican party is the party of socialized medicine?
Corporate favoritism – equally prevalant and repugnant in both parties.

Native Atlantan

January 3rd, 2013
10:56 am

Jeezz….I think I read these same con responses on yesterday’s blog…new material needed.

Erwin's cat

January 3rd, 2013
10:56 am

Immigration
Gun Control
Debt Ceiling

What happened to JOBS?

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
10:57 am

Seriously, there is no disagreement on the desire to reduce both, the disagreement in on the methods. Perhaps your failure to understand the real issue is part of your lack of comprehension

Yea, I’m not the smartest guy around so please enlighten me on the REAL issue!

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
10:57 am

Reagan and Cheney said it best…”Republican deficits don’t matter.”

UNCLE SAMANTHA

January 3rd, 2013
10:57 am

RB from Gwinnett

January 3rd, 2013
10:58 am

Hey Jay, when is this sack’o in the white house going to start caring about the deficit with an actual plan? A budget? Anything?

The Republicans are in trouble for 1 reason… they will not start fighting the media battle with emotional pleas vs. intellectial ones. Liberals and those like them don’t care about facts (like $16T debt with $4T more in the wings), they’re only intersted in the emotional side of things and how they feel. The debt means nothing to them because it’s not a topic on The View and until the R’s figure out how to play the “starve poor children, push old people down the stairs, close all the schools” game the D’s are lying to people about, they’re screwed.

Keep giving the fat kid a cookie to shut him up, libs. It’s all you’ve got!

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
10:59 am

What happened to JOBS?

Ha! The President is laser focused on that!

Aquagirl

January 3rd, 2013
11:00 am

RB is losing his cookies again. Poor fella.

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
11:00 am

Yahoo Uncle Sam??? Really??? You need to stop depending on all those liberal companies.

JamVet

January 3rd, 2013
11:00 am

The GOP has become a weapon of mass destruction.

And I suspect that it will take at least another couple of November massacres before these globally cooled, intelligently designed but low brow, right wing fanatics even begin to acknowledge that they have a HUGE and growing problem on their hands.

They are still in complete denial. They still think that George W.Bush and Dick Cheney were the greatest things since sliced bread.

To the point that the average American is pretty much completely disgusted by them and their All White Party’s quasi-fascism. Ban labor unions. Ban homosexuality. Ban abortions. And kill the women who have them.

These trickled on fools are truly beyond explanation…

Native Atlantan

January 3rd, 2013
11:01 am

And…the cookie commentary returns…..sad

Jay

January 3rd, 2013
11:03 am

“What happened to JOBS?”

OK, Erwin: What should the federal government do to create jobs?

Road Scholar

January 3rd, 2013
11:04 am

Vinny: You are so classy! Your momma must be proud….that is…if you have a momma!

indigo

January 3rd, 2013
11:04 am

Uncle Samantha

So, if these two women were conservative Republicans, this would not have happened?

Or, if the man was a conservative Republican, this would not have happened?

Or, if the public officials involved in this were conservative Republicans, this would not be happening?

In fact, you don’t know the Party affiliation of any of these people, do you?

josef

January 3rd, 2013
11:04 am

IMAM

“OK, Erwin: What should the federal government do to create jobs?”

A New Deal?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 3rd, 2013
11:05 am

Mr. Right: Yea, I’m not the smartest guy around …

We can agree on that! :lol: as for the remainder, do you comprend tax cuts vs raising revenues? Do you comprehend spending cuts already made? What do you comprehend?

indigo

January 3rd, 2013
11:05 am

Jay – 11:03

Don’t you listen to the cons here?

It’s OBAMA’S duty to create jobs!!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:05 am

“I agree with F. Sinkwich. What we need is for the GOP to move further to the right, thus hastening their move into irrelevancy!”

they keep moving to the right, they’re going to come up on the left …

barking frog

January 3rd, 2013
11:06 am

Jay
Thanks to gerrymandering, a political evil in which both parties indulge, three of the eight are in such strong GOP districts that no Democrat even bothered to run against them last November
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This is the problem. No Republican should stand for office unopposed, and vice versa.
This is why we have National, State and local party organizations. Abandoning the
the battlefield may save the parties a little money but it costs the country in the long run.

Road Scholar

January 3rd, 2013
11:06 am

Wait a minute Jay. Conserves feel that the federal government should/can not create jobs! I mean , like a transportation infrastructure bill doesn’t do that!

Granny Godzilla

January 3rd, 2013
11:06 am

We care about 16T debt….and I say even more than you RB.

We just don’t think the poorest amongst us who got a few food stamps should pay for the excesses
and errors made by those who caused the finanical meltdown and were given bonuses for it!

Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
11:07 am

Individual liberty – you can marry anybody you like (you just might not have a job

Fiscal responsibility – always standing up for making tough fiscal choices. Militarism and security state with fiscal prudence. E.g. More drones, less costly land occupations.

Free market capitalism – pass a health care law that was the baby of a conservative think tank, was implemented by a Republican governor, and is the wet dream of every billionaire private insurance provider CEO, while quietly killing the public option of course.

Yep. That’s the Democratic Party for you!

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
11:08 am

$16,000,000,000,000.00 debt, the new deal adds $4,000,000,000,000.00 which makes it $20,000,000,000,000.00 and the Republicans that want to stop this madnes are extremist!

Jay

January 3rd, 2013
11:08 am

“The true disease of Washington is not the madness and extremism of the Republican party per se — real though it is — but the fact that there is no opposition to it, for the Democratic party has merely installed itself in the vacuum at the center right of the spectrum left by the wild shift right by the GOP.

THAT is the true source of the political crisis of our day.

A truly functioning journalism would train its eye on that fact and not simply continue to paint the GOP as being the only source of our troubles.”

I think there’s some truth to that argument. But until the GOP is convinced to compete once again for the middle, that dynamic will be impossible to change.

rightwingextreme

January 3rd, 2013
11:08 am

Gun Issue – Covered by the Second Amendment. If you don’t like it, amend it or repeal it.

Path to Immigration – It’s called the naturaliztion process and has served this country well for 200 years. If you want to be a citizen, get your butt in line like everyone else has and go through the process. Why do dimocrats want to abandon that process?? Oh yeah….they need lots of voters…and soon.

Medicare/other entitlements – They are all in the red and can’t pay the promised benefits in the future. These programs have unfunded liabilities of over 100 trillion dollars. It is estimated that by 2054 the payroll tax would have to be increased to 37% to pay for this. So why wouldn’t we want to fix this now?

If the AJC were bleeding money and losing subscribers wouldn’t they make changes?

Now, who are the extremists again??

Oscar

January 3rd, 2013
11:09 am

What we have here is a mess,
Captain – Strother Martin

Lord Help Us

January 3rd, 2013
11:10 am

‘and the Republicans that want to stop this madnes are extremist!

Mr Right…how much would the Ryan plan (as passed by the House) reduce the deficit over the next ten years?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:11 am

“Covered by the Second Amendment”

you’re right … it says “Well regulated militia” … and we should legislate accordingly.

JamVet

January 3rd, 2013
11:11 am

The Republicans are in trouble for 1 reason…

People like RB, parrot, Vinny, the corporal and Frank?

Just kidding! You guys are my new heroes. Seriously.

After this past electoral humiliation of yours, I have finally realized that, along with your mentors on Fox and EIB, you are the greatest allies possible in the anti-GOP movement in this country.

Thank you for your support and keep up the good work!

OK, duty calls and I’m off to partake of some of this Obama recovery (LOL!)

Oscar

January 3rd, 2013
11:12 am

Extreme = Everyone agees that cuts hhave to be made. Qestion is where and how.

Lynnie Gal

January 3rd, 2013
11:13 am

Democrats don’t really have to do anything to defeat Republicans. Republicans are defeating their own prospects of winning national elections by behaving in such bizarre, self-emolating ways, threatening our economy and recovery like economic terrorists. If outside terrorists threatened our economy like this, we’d be in another war. Instead it’s lamebrained Republicans doing this to us. If they take us into default by not raising the debt ceiling and we get downgraded again, that’ll be the final bomb they’ll set off. Even the elderly, pro-Republican, medicare and social security recipients and corporate business/wall street supporters of the GOP will get blown up in that explosion. That’ll be the end of them. Obama and the Dems should let them walk their own plank into shark-infested waters. No one will support their election campaigns anymore, including Republicans from New York and New Jersey.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
11:13 am

OK, Erwin: What should the federal government do to create jobs?

Well, it could start by creating them. You know, actually drawing up the job descriptions,hiring the people to do them, and giving them money. Oh, wait, government jobs have plummeted under the Kenyan Socialist president! Now how did THAT happen?!!

Yes, Virginia, government once upon a time set out to put people directly to to work. Paying them actual cash money!

But you see, fat chance if you expect our “liberals” of today to advance actual government jobs as they have decided they agree with the right wing that only the private sector is the true creator of jobs. It’s true. Your “socialist” president said so just last year in a speech in Kansas.

barking frog

January 3rd, 2013
11:14 am

rightwingextreme
Medicare/other entitlements – They are all in the red and can’t pay the promised benefits in the future. These programs have unfunded liabilities of over 100 trillion dollars. It is estimated that by 2054 the payroll tax would have to be increased to 37% to pay for this. So why wouldn’t we want to fix this now?
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I have it on good faith that Jesus will return before then so it won’t matter.

Mr Right

January 3rd, 2013
11:14 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 3rd, 2013
11:05 am

Mr. Right: Yea, I’m not the smartest guy around …

We can agree on that! as for the remainder, do you comprend tax cuts vs raising revenues? Do you comprehend spending cuts already made? What do you comprehend?

I do comprehend that increasing spending by more than you cut is not deficit reduction!

Redcoat

January 3rd, 2013
11:14 am

It’s over……the haters of self proclaimed morals have won….all there is left to do is watch the decline of freedom and the rise of government power.

Oscar

January 3rd, 2013
11:14 am

The second amendment was passed for one reason, tomake sure the state militas had rifles to use in needed. No hunting, no collectors, nothing but arms for the milita.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 3rd, 2013
11:15 am

Gun Issue – Covered by the Second Amendment.

The 2nd amendment has never been the issue. It’s the NRA that wants you to think that. The issue is high capacity magazines and rapid firing rifles.

If you need that kind of firepower to kill a deer you should give up hunting altogether.

F. Sinkwich

January 3rd, 2013
11:15 am

” What should the federal government do to create jobs?”

How about, “First, do no harm?”

If O’bozo and his Marxist minions had done NOTHING for the last four years, and pledged to do NOTHING for the next four, this economy would be booming by now.

But nope, gotta do Stimulus, gotta do Obamacare, gotta do Dodd-Frank, gotta start a war on fossil fuels, gotta unleash the NLRB, gotta tell the EPA to take some steroids and crucify business, gotta raise taxes on achievers, etc.

O’bozo is a job killer. Any improvement in this economy is in spite of that euro-socialist doofuss.

Government is an essential component of a thriving society. But too much kills it.

Stevie Ray

January 3rd, 2013
11:15 am

JAY

Can’t you think of a meaningful topic that doesn’t include the obvious?

The GOP is in disarray period. Your party offers no solutions beyond throwing 6% or so increased taxes which have already been spent. What can your party do differently to get us out of the hole besides idealogical gimmicks? Perhaps the courage to do what’s right with spending and the like? No the LIB ideaology won’t permit that.. Perhaps setting a debt level at $25 trillion or something to that fashion?

How much of a debt is acceptable to you? $30 trillion or more? Just curious..

rightwingextreme

January 3rd, 2013
11:16 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:11 am
“Covered by the Second Amendment”

you’re right … it says “Well regulated militia” … and we should legislate accordingly.

I just love how libs like to select only part of the Second Amendment……

The militia back in the day were the people. You were expected to have a rifle, ammo and know how to use them. That is the well regulated part….nothing to do with legislation.

mbtc

January 3rd, 2013
11:16 am

“It’s kind of funny how if 53% of Americans think something that makes it gospel but when Obamacare was ramed down our throats it didn’t matter what they thought!”

Was that before or after the smearing propaganda machine led by Fox and dark money had scared the bejeebus out of everyone over “death panels”. Seems I recall Americans being in favor of reform before that.

teacher

January 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

In a separate report, the private sector created 215,000 new jobs in December, a much stronger than expected number boosted by gains in construction hiring. cnbc

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

“the haters of self proclaimed morals have won ”

what exactly does that even mean???

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

The rejection of Ron Paul was the death knell for the Grand Ole Progressive Party.
As was the embrace of Barry (Barack) Sotereo( Obama) the same toll for the Democrat Donkey Ass Party.
.
Decent Americans are rejecting Washington………….wholesale.
And for good positive causes.
.
Do not ask for which butt-cheek of the District of Crooks that the Bell tolls for……………it tolls for thee, Obama/Romney-bots.

Oscar

January 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

Time now to close the deductions-loopholes. Mortgage interst deduction should be the first to go.

TaxPayer

January 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

What happened to JOBS?

As I recall, the Republicans campaigned on that very issue back in 2010. How’s it working out. Any jobs created by the GOP yet.

John Ellison

January 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

It’s time for all Americans (Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians) to stop fighting with each other and throw all the bums (U.S. Senators and Congressmen) out of office. They are nothing but corrupt charlatans who serve as paid representatives of special interests.

Lord Help Us

January 3rd, 2013
11:18 am

‘gotta tell the EPA to take some steroids and crucify business,’

Yet, businesses are making record profits…go figure…

Stevie Ray

January 3rd, 2013
11:19 am

Welcome to the Occupation

January 3rd, 2013
11:13 am

IMO, aside from government jobs (as inefficient as they are) the government can do very little to create private sector jobs that stand up to meaningful measures. The means first you have to be honest about unemployment. Second, to count saved jobs is a crock….no evidence excepting BS formulas bias by economists turned pundits…

If they really wanted to create jobs, we could become a fully isolationist country and keep techology develops under lock and key..

barking frog

January 3rd, 2013
11:20 am

Oscar
The second amendment was passed for one reason, tomake sure the state militas had rifles to use in needed. No hunting, no collectors, nothing but arms for the milita.
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And I thought it was included to keep the Congress from passing any
laws infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, silly me.

mbtc

January 3rd, 2013
11:20 am

“Perhaps the courage to do what’s right with spending and the like?”

Like breaking the contract people have worked under and paid into their whole lives with the expectation that they might not be kicked to the ditch when they couldn’t work any more?

Towncrier

January 3rd, 2013
11:22 am

“I confess I’m stumped by that one.”

Good morning, Jay. One thing I am stumped by is, in a nation that most purportedly believe in God, how many of those people are apparently fine with using abortion as a form of birth control. From the recent Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decision that confirmed Roe v. Wade:

“…in some critical respects abortion is of the same character as the decision to use contraception . . . . for two decades of economic and social developments, people have organized intimate relationships and made choices that define their views of themselves and their places in society, in reliance on the availability of abortion in the event that contraception should fail.”

Now, I understand that 9 individuals not elected by the people themselves, serving lifetime appointments and without any real accountability (since the Congress seems to have little interest in impeaching any of them) can interpret the Constitution any way they see fit. But that doesn’t mean “the people” have to put up with it, if a sufficient majority doesn’t wish to. I am not sure many would begrudge a woman the choice to have an abortion in cases where she did not choose to engage in sex (as in rape and molestation). But seeing that contraceptive methods – especially when used together – can be almost 100% effective, then allowing women (and men, who certainly are responsible for pregnancies) to have abortions as a form of contraception is allowing them to have a “take back” (which people really don’t get in life in most other things).

My question to you is this: do you believe abortion should be allowed as a form of contraception?

BTW – your batting average is still 1000 I see.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:22 am

“What happened to JOBS?

As I recall, the Republicans campaigned on that very issue back in 2010. ”

then, they got interested in my uterus and all its goings-on …

DannyX

January 3rd, 2013
11:23 am

“As I recall, the Republicans campaigned on that very issue back in 2010. How’s it working out.”

Not very well. Jobs, jobs, jobs, turned into ABORTION, ABORTION, ABORTION.

Stevie Ray

January 3rd, 2013
11:23 am

F. Sinkwich

January 3rd, 2013
11:15 am

Now you stop that nonesense right this minute. Are you suggesting that the stimulus didn’t create 3 million jobs? Are you suggesting that ObamaCare (I prefer PelosiCare) is going to cost us any more than what was originally projected (we were gonna make money I recall)? Are you suggesting the Dodd Frank, by keeping the too-big-to-fail institutions isn’t a great improvement?

Good god man! :-)

Georgia

January 3rd, 2013
11:23 am

Postcards from the Cliff: The Deal In Name Only is the best America could do. A good country has to know it’s own limitations. The fossils in the GOP are rightfully fearful of their own caucus. They have to dance with the party what brung ‘em, even if the Elephant Walk is so two generations ago. The pendulum will swing the other way. It always has and always will. Especially if the excavation of our debt rating continues to yield the bare bones of extinct banking regulations, latent inflation, and new-normal eight percent unemployment.

iggy

January 3rd, 2013
11:24 am

Lets rephrase…”Why the future looks so bleak for the USA”.

Oscar

January 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

Time for big cuts in medicare and defense. But not raising the debt sealing is sheer insanity. We have to pay bills already icurred.

Stevie Ray

January 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

How many ways can you say that the GOP sucks and DEMS are our savior? I would submit that for every 100 posts, 90 are concerned about making the most of the dysfunction of idiot GOP’s or praising President Trillions every move..

joe

January 3rd, 2013
11:25 am

Why the future looks so bleak for the USA

Fixed your headline…

Out of control spending
no entitlement reforms
no across the board spending cuts
no leadership for the white house
heck bent on forcing socialism on us
etc.

barking frog

January 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

USinUK
then, they got interested in my uterus and all its goings-on
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and they really get hot about it…….

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

“And I thought it was included to keep the Congress from passing any
laws infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, silly me”

you’re thinking of the first amendment – that’s the only one that says “Congress shall make no law infringing on the right to free speech”

2nd amendment … not so much.

Redcoat

January 3rd, 2013
11:27 am

Question any spending?……….never!

indigo

January 3rd, 2013
11:27 am

rightwingextreme – 11:16 “the milita back in the day were the people”

That’s right. They were the farmers, merchants, clerks, etc.

There was no standing professional army.

That was then. This is now.

Today’s milita is our professional Military and the 2nd ammendment guarantees THEM, NOT CIVILIANS, the “right to keep and bear arms”.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 3rd, 2013
11:27 am

barking – I’d say that they got all up in my grill … but, the mental image would be a bit much …