Another painful step in the re-education of House GOP

Given all the drama, hand-wringing and arm-twisting involved, you might think that the legislation approved last night by the House represents an achievement of historic importance.

It does not.

Seldom has so much intrigue been committed to such small effect. The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing. It merely means that two months from now, the same set of players will re-enact this same sad-sack spectacle, as the federal government lurches from crisis to crisis like some banana republic that is incapable of ruling itself.

Yet as painful and as ugly as the process might be, it is also sadly necessary. The mental, emotional and political recalibration required when unrealistic ideology finally runs head on into reality does not happen quickly or easily. It is, as they say, a process rather than an event, and in this case the process will be drawn out, public and politically bloody.

Even after this latest defeat, congressional Republicans continue to tell themselves that in the next confrontation, this time over the debt-limit ceiling, they will finally have “leverage” they need over President Obama and Senate Democrats. They seem to believe that by threatening to push the country into default on its debt — a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation — they will be able to rally the American people to their cause.

I don’t believe things works like that. To the contrary, the strategy reeks of desperation. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.

The last two years, in other words, have proved disastrous for the party’s reputation, particularly among moderates and independents. They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens. In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.

– Jay Bookman

431 comments Add your comment

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
10:28 am

They should have just left well enough alone. Everything could have kicked in like a reset button. The pain would be short term, but maybe a sudden, drastic cut in public sector spending is what is needed to get the private sector back into spending mode. Hoarding profits doesn’t help the economy at all.

Steve

January 2nd, 2013
10:28 am

According to Politico, several sources claimed to have overheard a verbal altercation between the two men in the White House lobby.

With no bipartisan agreement about the debt ceiling, spending cuts and tax increases in sight, Boehner reportedly pointed at Reid and said, “Go f**k yourself.”

“What are you talking about?” Reid asked.

And Boehner again said, “Go f**k yourself.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fiscal-cliff-negotiations-john-boehner-harry-reid_n_2394725.html

Welcome to the Occupation

January 2nd, 2013
10:30 am

They seem to believe that by threatening to push the country into default on its debt — a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation — they will be able to rally the American people to their cause

They don’t believe any such thing. On the contrary, they understand perfectly well that their ideology is anathema to a large part of the population. But they are committed to ramming it through anyway. They don’t care about bringing the population around to their positions. They believe they are the ones doing the “educating”.

Lord Help Us

January 2nd, 2013
10:30 am

Until the GOP rids itself of the Obama is a…socialist, Un-American, Marxist, wants to destroy the country, radical, Muslim, etc., it will only continue its self inflicted marginalization…

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:31 am

“In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people. ”

yet, you have your RBs and FSinks of the world, gobbling it up …

fair and balanced

January 2nd, 2013
10:31 am

Old Joe B. will steal your wallet and then make you smile and say thank you. No Malarkey!

Adam

January 2nd, 2013
10:32 am

Hey guys guess what? The Bush Tax Cuts expired two days ago. These tax cuts are NEW.

They’re THE OBAMA TAX CUTS now!

Peadawg

January 2nd, 2013
10:32 am

“The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing. It merely means that two months from now, the same set of players will re-enact this same sad-sack spectacle, as the federal government lurches from crisis to crisis like some banana republic that is incapable of ruling itself.”

Couldn’t have said it better my self. **polite golf clap**

DannyX

January 2nd, 2013
10:33 am

This is what happens when ‘unskewed’ reality meets reality.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
10:34 am

They don’t care about bringing the population around to their positions. They believe they are the ones doing the “educating”.

As scary as that sounds, I can find that quite believable. You have to look no further than the people that peddle that far right crap here as though they’re selling the secret to life itself.

Lord Help Us

January 2nd, 2013
10:34 am

‘it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing’

Au contraire, It will accomplish a full-out crapstorm within the GOP…grab your popcorn.

Peadawg

January 2nd, 2013
10:34 am

Adam
January 2nd, 2013
10:32 am

Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.

indigo

January 2nd, 2013
10:36 am

I’m guessing Republicans will keep up this irresponsible behavior until the 2014 mid term elections.

If they get trounced again, then maybe things will change.

However, if their mindless supporters keep them in office, we’ll have to wait for the 2016 elections and hope for the best.

Regnad Kcin

January 2nd, 2013
10:36 am

“Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.”

They went up on Dec 31 midnight. The bill cut them. Is this incorrect?

Adam

January 2nd, 2013
10:36 am

You have to look no further than the people that peddle that far right crap here as though they’re selling the secret to life itself.

It’s why I keep coming back. It’s a safe distance from the right wing media machine, but I still find out what the bubble is thinking because every time some radio host or Fox News personality says something the frat boys find clever (like a fart) multiple accounts will come on here and repeat it almost verbatim. It’s fun because it also shows just how intellectually bankrupt they are to have to resort to repeating the frat boy stuff rather than thinking for themselves.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:37 am

“You have to look no further than the people that peddle that far right crap here as though they’re selling the secret to life itself.”

and, if only you’d spend $19.99, you, too, could know and understand – becoming a happier person! just listen to this unsolicited testimonial:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/88/88tknowme.phtml

Gale

January 2nd, 2013
10:37 am

Well said, Jay. I am happy to have you back and Happy New Year.

Adam

January 2nd, 2013
10:38 am

Peadawg: Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.

Oh please. The answer to your questions is obvious. But I will not state it until I can confirm or disprove my thesis on why I am posting that.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 2nd, 2013
10:39 am

The mental, emotional and political recalibration required when unrealistic ideology finally runs head on into reality does not happen quickly or easily. It is, as they say, a process rather than an event, and in this case the process will be drawn out, public and politically bloody.

Witnessed on this blog almost daily… and sadly the cons are getting more violent and graphic in their frustration regarding their failures.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:41 am

Keep up –

wait! did you say that the cons are getting more violent and graphic in their frustration???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/gary-smith-new-mexico_n_2389607.html

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
10:42 am

“They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens.”

I would respectively submit that hardly any politician – Democratic or Republican – is “deemed responsible” by “American citizens” (if we are to believe the polls) these days. As a champion of the Democratic “cause”, could you please indicate what (other than frivolous) cuts to federal spending have proposed by president Obama or Democratic leaders? Or do you happen to think we can accumulate debt ad infinitum without serious consequences or that 16T is not a serious amount of debt or do you think we should borrow billions more and inject it into the economy with the expectation it will turn the economy around?

Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
10:44 am

Peadawg — “Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.”

They were originally sold to Congress and the American people as *temporary* tax cuts, necessary to boost the American economy. Even further, the fact that they were explicitly passed as *temporary* tax cuts — to help win over some recalcitrant Senate and Congressional votes — makes it quite clear that they were never passed to be permanent.

Even though they’ve kinda-sorta turned out that way.

Granny Godzilla

January 2nd, 2013
10:45 am

The GOP has a sad?

Excrement Occurs.

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
10:45 am

BTW, Jay, welcome back. I hope you had a memorable holiday vacation.

I have seen and read the visitor agreement rules of usage, but I was wondering if you could point me to the particular rules you have for blogging here (I know Kyle has his as well). I can’t seem to find where they are published. Thanks.

Thomas heyward Jr

January 2nd, 2013
10:46 am

“holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people. ”
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Obamacare is cool though…………..right?

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:47 am

“As a champion of the Democratic “cause”, could you please indicate what (other than frivolous) cuts to federal spending have proposed by president Obama or Democratic leaders?”

if you want to see the result of anything more than “frivolous” tax cuts, I’d like to refer you to the UK economy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/recession/

Thomas heyward Jr

January 2nd, 2013
10:47 am

Big Pharma/Insurance seems to think so.
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lol

barking frog

January 2nd, 2013
10:47 am

That failed ideology will run head on into the American voter
in 2014 and I don’t think the Democratic voter will stay home
then

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 2nd, 2013
10:47 am

USinUK, why next you’ll see a con claim he’s part of OccupyNM. :lol:

Jay

January 2nd, 2013
10:47 am

Actually, JHM, the tax cuts were described as temporary only as a parliamentary manuever. As temporary measures due to expire in 10 years or less and thus no permanent impact on the debt, they could be passed in the Senate through reconciliation. It meant that Democrats couldn’t stop them with a filibuster.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

“Obamacare is cool though…………..right?”

not being dropped because of a pre-existing condition (that you may or may not have been aware of) … yep.

improved access to and coverage of birth control … yep

improved coverage of children … yep.

sorry you don’t like it, but, if we can’t have a single-payer system, I’ll take it.

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

“if you want to see the result of anything more than “frivolous” tax cuts, I’d like to refer you to the UK economy:”

Since you took it upon yourself to address my first point, how about being a sport and answering one of the questions that follow it? Thanks.

Aquagirl

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

Obamacare is cool though…………..right?

Translation: let’s talk about something else, not crazy Republicans. Those guys are embarrassing.

stands for decibels

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

they could be passed in the Senate through reconciliation.

aka “rammed down our throats.”

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

Adam @ 10:36

I hang out here and a few other blogs to read the thoughts of both sides. Like you, I love to see the “spontaneous” groupthink postings of the same stuff almost verbatim. It gets really funny when you see it on multiple blogs around the same time frame.

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USinner @ 10:37

:lol: :lol: :lol:

guy

January 2nd, 2013
10:50 am

All that was passed is higher taxes and hardly no cuts in spending. I do not see how anyone can be proud of their party because this is a disaster. Keep taking from the “makers” to give to the “takers” and soon the well will run dry. We have no one in Washington with the will to address the TOUGH issues.On top of that,obama proposed a small pay raise for himself and Congress that wasn’t implemented. Can you believe those in Washington’s mindset? AWFUL!!!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
10:51 am

Jay — “As temporary measures due to expire in 10 years or less and thus no permanent impact on the debt, they could be passed in the Senate through reconciliation.”

Doesn’t that also make them the Devil’s Tax Cuts? After all, the GOP made a huge noise about the reconciliation method of passage not so long ago. :D

FWIW, I do recall hearing that some Congressmen and Senators were persuaded to support the measure with the ‘it’s only temporary’ argument, but I don’t have any links or evidence to support that.

Mike

January 2nd, 2013
10:51 am

wait till us working stiffs see our next paycheck is less than our last one because SS rates were allowed to go back up. Most of the lower and middle class have no idea that their take home pay is about to drop. Oops, the politicians didn’t really explain that to their simple minded followers, did they?
There were only a few at my office that realized this when I asked them about it today. Most of them will be getting $30-$60 less in their checks every two weeks because of this little known fact.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
10:51 am

Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.

If it does not alter the rate in a permanent form, why would it not be a tax cut? Regardless to how long it lasts, if it is not permanent, it is still a tax cut as it’s not the permanent rate.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:51 am

Keep Up – “USinUK, why next you’ll see a con claim he’s part of OccupyNM”

hahaha … at least he didn’t carve a B in his cheek ;-)

Jay

January 2nd, 2013
10:51 am

Towncrier, I haven’t published formalized rules for civil blog behavior. If you remember the lessons that your mom and dad taught you, you’ll do just fine here.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
10:52 am

Mike — “wait till us working stiffs see our next paycheck is less than our last one because SS rates were allowed to go back up.”

AKA who the hell is FICA and why is he taking so much money out of my paycheck? :D

RB from Gwinnett

January 2nd, 2013
10:53 am

Liberals all giddy today about kicking the can further down the road.

Keep giving the fat kid a cookie to shut him up.

Hey liberals, YOU are the fat kid. You’ll be back whining in 60 days when you figure out NOTHING was accomplished by this window dressing. We’re headed to Greece at 78MPH instead of 80MPH.

Enjoy your cookie.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
10:54 am

RB — “You’ll be back whining”

Said the master of the art.

td

January 2nd, 2013
10:54 am

Oh yes, increasing taxes on 77% of the population and increasing the debt by an additional $4 trillion over the next 10 years is the new “re-education” effort Obama and the Dems want the American people to learn.

Add to that Obama stated:

” We can’t simply cut our way to prosperity. Cutting spending has to go hand-in-hand with further reforms to our tax code so that the wealthiest corporations and individuals can’t take advantage of loopholes and deductions that aren’t available to most Americans. And we can’t keep cutting things like basic research and new technology and still expect to succeed in a 21st century economy. So we’re going to have to continue to move forward in deficit reduction, but we have to do it in a balanced way, making sure that we are growing even as we get a handle on our spending . . .

Today’s agreement enshrines, I think, a principle into law that will remain in place as long as I am President: The deficit needs to be reduced in a way that’s balanced. Everyone pays their fair share. Everyone does their part. That’s how our economy works best. That’s how we grow.”

In other words more taxes, more spending and more debt for the next 4 years is the way we will go as a nation. If you do not believe this is the future of this great nation then off to the “re-education” camp for you.

Mick

January 2nd, 2013
10:54 am

rb from down under

Need I remind you that we are all part of the same hypocrisy? Your side seemed fit to run up the tab under the previous guy and now that the bill is due, it’s obstruct obama every step of the way. It’s not necessary, stop screwing with the debt limit, the numbers don’t matter at this point in time, what does is strengthening this world economy, then start hacking away.
With republican ideology, common sense is definitely not common!!!

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 2nd, 2013
10:55 am

Unrealistic ideaology?
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Keynesians and others are fond of claiming that free markets amount to a “trickle-down” theory in which it is supposed that as long as government does not intervene into consensual and peaceful exchange, the good results will “trickle down” from the wealthy to the less-wealthy. Yet, if you think of it, the real “trickle-down” theory is Keynesianism.

I say this because Keynesians believe that if the government gives huge amounts of money to politically-favored entities such as companies like Solyndra as well as firms that do road construction or even to state governments for them to give their public unions raises, then the good results will “trickle down” to the rest of us who do not receive these payments directly.
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And republicans are no longer deemed responsible only to the extent that they are emulating democrats.
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The majority of Americans are ignoring The Cesspool of Washington………and Our numbers Grow.

BlahBlahBlah

January 2nd, 2013
10:56 am

“a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation”

Crank the Hyperbole Machine up to 11 and tear the knob off!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:56 am

Towncrier – “be a sport” … been reading a little too much F Scott Fitzgerald, have we?

The best way to address and pay off federal debt it to stimulate the economy – NOT to put a pillow over its face with austerity measures.

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
10:57 am

“Towncrier, I haven’t published formalized rules for civil blog behavior. If you remember the lessons that your mom and dad taught you, you’ll do just fine here.”

Let’s go at it a different way: have you banned anyone (as Kyle apparently has) and, if so, for what reason(s)? I mean, it has been said that you don’t condone personal attacks for one thing. The kind of stuff that is said here regularly (I think) greatly transgresses the “lessons…mom and dad” taught us (unless…well, we needn’t go there).

Aquagirl

January 2nd, 2013
10:57 am

If you do not believe this is the future of this great nation then off to the “re-education” camp for you.

I hope Santa brought you a much-needed fainting couch.

Peadawg

January 2nd, 2013
10:57 am

Also, the middle class will still see a small dip in their paycheck b/c of the payroll tax going back to 6%.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/payroll-tax-rise-article-1.1231335

Jackie

January 2nd, 2013
10:57 am

Speaker Boehner (R-OH) has found things so difficult, relative to this management of House business, the Repubs from NJ/NY are highly upset with his failure to allow a vote on the Hurricane Sandy FEMA legislation passed by the Senate. It is reported that House Majority Leader Cantor (R-VA) had assured everyone the probability of a vote was “99.9%.”
It has been close to 3 months since the event occurred.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:57 am

Brocephus – ” USinner @ 10:37″ – frickin’ HULU wouldn’t let me access the video on this side of the pond … you can see the skit (before I met him, I was nothing … a nobody … but then I GOT TO KNOW HIM) …

F. Sinkwich

January 2nd, 2013
10:58 am

“The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing.”

Agree.

But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight. That doofuss couldn’t lead a one float parade.

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
10:58 am

“The best way to address and pay off federal debt it to stimulate the economy – NOT to put a pillow over its face with austerity measures.”

Thank you. I agree that stimulating the economy is probably the best way to help our economy. My next question is this: just how do you propose to do that?

Peadawg

January 2nd, 2013
10:58 am

“All that was passed is higher taxes and hardly no cuts in spending. I do not see how anyone can be proud of their party because this is a disaster.”

Exactly.

guy

January 2nd, 2013
10:58 am

TD, THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH! It’s hard for most people to face because someone may not hear what they want to hear and it could make someone mad. Boo Hoo!!!

stands for decibels

January 2nd, 2013
10:59 am

Even after this latest defeat, congressional Republicans continue to tell themselves that in the next confrontation, this time over the debt-limit ceiling, they will finally have “leverage” they need over President Obama and Senate Democrats.

“Leverage.”

Really? Am I the only one here who seems to think that Obama does, in fact, have a perfectly legal and reasonable Plan B if Congress plays that stupid game again, in two months?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/07/could-two-platinum-coins-solve-the-debt-ceiling-crisis/

Put another way: Just because Congress passes a stupid law saying “WE have to approve debt limit increases,” doesn’t mean that they actually do, far as I can tell. And I think Obama would be foolish not to start saying as much fairly soon, so that Americans can brace themselves for the wailing, keening, and gnashing of teeth we’re likely to hear from the GOP in response.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
10:59 am

who the hell is FICA and why is he taking so much money out of my paycheck?

SHE was my upstairs neighbor back when I got my first apartment after college. I tried to lobby the state of Alabama to let me just give the money straight to her instead of having it taken out of my paycheck, but the guys I knew in the legislature just laughed at me. :)

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:59 am

“Crank the Hyperbole Machine up to 11 and tear the knob off!”

why not just make 10 louder?

but this one goes to 11!

RF

January 2nd, 2013
11:00 am

“Liberals all giddy today about kicking the can further down the road.”

Ahhhhm, NOPE, not giddy at all, but glad to see that something, anything, could get through both houses of Congress that doesn’t immediately screw the middle class or wreck the entire economy to protect the super rich.

Perhaps the real “fat kid” whining about the cookie is the guys who basically own all the cookies anyway. They’ll just have to stash a few more of them offshore somewhere, and they will. Why you cons are so defensive of those who have gained more and more while the rest of us are living on less and less is beyond me.

But keep whining. It’s entertaining to read and helps remind me why I’m NOT one of you any longer.

Thomas Heyward Jr

January 2nd, 2013
11:00 am

USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

“Obamacare is cool though…………..right?”

not being dropped because of a pre-existing condition (that you may or may not have been aware of) … yep.

improved access to and coverage of birth control … yep

improved coverage of children … yep.

sorry you don’t like it, but, if we can’t have a single-payer system, I’ll take it.
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That’s what millions of Russions said………..circa 1950-1987.
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lol

Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
11:00 am

If anyone here is still looking for a decent New Year’s Resolution that doesn’t hurt, doesn’t cost a lot and doesn’t taste like cardboard, I’ve got one for you to consider.

Read some Barry Ritholtz every day. Specifically, read his Big Picture economics blog.

Even if you’re not a finance-minded sort of person, you can find lots of things of interest there. Ritholtz breaks down complicated business practices and concepts for the amateur reader, and he features a generous sprinkling of chart porn for those who just like to look at pictures. Plus, he’s a snarky guy, so you’ll probably get some grins for your trouble, too.

I’m not affiliated with Ritholtz or Big Picture in any way — I’m just a long-time reader who thinks others might find some value in it, too.

Check it out here:

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

breckenridge

January 2nd, 2013
11:01 am

This legislation did nothing but kick the can down the road a bit further. While it is acceptable have the wealthy to pay more in taxes, it’s not acceptable to ignore runaway defense, social security and Medicare spending. And, since 40% of children born in America today are born to parents on Medicaid, it’s also essential we start a discussion on population control.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:01 am

Towncrier – you’re soaking in it – ensuring that the people who are unemployed are able to get assistance, helping stimulate small businesses, etc.

DannyX

January 2nd, 2013
11:01 am

“TD, THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH!”

td is the leader in ‘unskewed’ truth.

Sean

January 2nd, 2013
11:01 am

We do need to look at spending cuts too. There was not a lot of cuts in this fiscal cliff deal. We do need to look at SS and Medicare coverages. Republican are right to be upset that there was not enough spending cuts to go along with the tax increases.

fedup

January 2nd, 2013
11:02 am

“In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.”
There are 300 mi of us. Pass out the high capacity clips to the GOP.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
11:02 am

USinner

Those were some of the best years of SNL!!!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:02 am

“That’s what millions of Russions said………..circa 1950-1987.”

um. RUSSIANS???

dude, are you for real????

RF

January 2nd, 2013
11:02 am

“In other words more taxes, more spending and more debt for the next 4 years is the way we will go as a nation”

Versus what, the Bush era when we cut taxes while ballooning spending, including two wars that weren’t even part of the budget? Yeah, that’s ever so much better. The only president in recent memory who actually cut spending was Clinton.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:04 am

Brocephus – Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman were genius …

TaxPayer

January 2nd, 2013
11:04 am

Unfortunately, the Republican extremists have decided that the pistol to the temple is insufficient and have opted for the AR-15. Losers.

Rafe Hollister

January 2nd, 2013
11:05 am

Insignificant bill that means little? 4 Trillion more in debt; to a Dem I guess, that is an insignificant amount.

Need to run the GOP out of control, yeah that is a good idea. No brakes on the spending, just spend until we get exhausted. We could then have more new government programs than you could shake a stick at. Wind mills for America act, taxes on CO2 emissions, aka, the breath tax, Reparations for mistreated illegal aliens, among other silly ideas from the Dems would be enacted.

Spending on steroids is not the medicine for America.

RF

January 2nd, 2013
11:05 am

“It’s hard for most people to face because someone may not hear what they want to hear and it could make someone mad. Boo Hoo!!!”

Sadly, the only ones crying and whining are the far-right wingnuts. They’re the only ones not hearing what they want to hear at this point, just FYI…

DannyX

January 2nd, 2013
11:05 am

“Republican are right to be upset that there was not enough spending cuts to go along with the tax increases.”

Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
11:05 am

“Towncrier – you’re soaking in it – ensuring that the people who are unemployed are able to get assistance, helping stimulate small businesses, etc.”

Maybe you are not aware that our economy has been flat for about 4 years now, mired in a serious economic slump. What specifically and differently would you suggest we do now to change things?

Jackie

January 2nd, 2013
11:08 am

Medicare and Social Security taxes are paid by wage earners with each pay check.
Why would one consider these items entitlements?

RB from Gwinnett

January 2nd, 2013
11:08 am

“But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight. That doofuss couldn’t lead a one float parade.”

Sinkwich, I agree, but just look how giddy all these fat kids are with the cookie Obama fed them. They’re too stupid to see the obvious right in front of their faces.

Enjoy your cookie, Mick. You begged for it, so enjoy it while you still think it’s “low fat”.

stands for decibels

January 2nd, 2013
11:08 am

just spend until we get exhausted

another guy who seems to think that America’s wealth is measured by the C-notes we’ve stuffed under the mattress.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman were genius …

Yeah…. that’s the ticket!

Regnad Kcin

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

“But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight”

Right, Sinky! That’s why the republicans run over him, totally getting their own way, right?

Seems like THEY must be even lighter than HIM! :)

RF

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

“dude, are you for real????”

They think they’re as real as can be. It’s easy for the circus clown to think he’s normal when all that’s around him is the circus. Theirs is a carefully crafted thought process that, while ridiculous to the sane among us, has been meticulously built over the last three decades and is well-funded, carefully orchestrated, and consistently pushed by some very powerful folks. You say it loud enough long enough and people start to believe it like the gospel.

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

“Maybe you are not aware that our economy has been flat for about 4 years now, mired in a serious economic slump.”

2% growth in a prevailing headwind is nothing to sneeze at. it’s not a slump, it’s solid growth that isn’t so super-charged that it will fuel inflation.

stands for decibels

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

Why would one consider these items entitlements?

Because the smelly commoners get them, dahling.

RB from Gwinnett

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

larry

January 2nd, 2013
11:09 am

NOT to put a pillow over its face with austerity measures.

But its working so well in the UK and here in the great state of Jawja!!

oy.

The other half of your brain.

January 2nd, 2013
11:10 am

don’t believe things works like that. To the contrary, the strategy reeks of desperation. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.

Yep, And 70% were against Obamacare, so who really gives a squat?

Both parties suck, and if you think it’s all one parties fault, then you suck also.

Regnad Kcin

January 2nd, 2013
11:10 am

” And, since 40% of children born in America today are born to parents on Medicaid, it’s also essential we start a discussion on population control.”

Tough to do, when the republicans don’t even want insurance companies to cover it.

stands for decibels

January 2nd, 2013
11:11 am

And really, RB–”fat kid with a cookie?”

who fed you THAT one? Neal? Sean? Or did you come up with it all by yourselfs?

DannyX

January 2nd, 2013
11:11 am

“Spending on steroids is not the medicine for America.”

Spending on steroids? That would be the Bush years. Unfunded Medicare Part D, a couple of unfunded wars, Bridge to Nowhere earmarks, unfunded new Dept of Homeland security, topped with massive tax cuts.

What are the Republican plans to deal with the deficit mess they created? More tax cuts? Repeal Med Part D?

The “Republican deficits don’t matter” mantra is getting old.

Brosephus™

January 2nd, 2013
11:11 am

But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight.

But what does that say about the GOP when they get their butts kicked twice in a national election by a lightweight doofus?

Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
11:11 am

“2% growth in a prevailing headwind is nothing to sneeze at. it’s not a slump, it’s solid growth that isn’t so super-charged that it will fuel inflation.”

I feel like I am pulling teeth, here. Que sera, sera eh? Never mind. I withdraw the question.

larry

January 2nd, 2013
11:11 am

^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

I guess Mitch McConnell doesnt qualify as a Republican.

RB from Gwinnett

January 2nd, 2013
11:13 am

RF, “Ahhhhm, NOPE, not giddy at all, but glad to see that something, anything, could get through both houses of Congress that doesn’t immediately screw the middle class…”

Hey, as long as somebody else is paying the bill, that’s all you really care about, right RF? Keep RF’s cookies coming!!!

DannyX

January 2nd, 2013
11:14 am

“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

rb, you can’t handle the truthiness!

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:14 am

” I guess Mitch McConnell doesnt qualify as a Republican.”

or the other 85 House GOPpers that voted for it

Regnad Kcin

January 2nd, 2013
11:16 am

“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

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RB thinks no republicans voted for the bill! :D

USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
11:16 am

“I feel like I am pulling teeth, here. Que sera, sera eh? Never mind. I withdraw the question.”

I disagree w/ your premise, what’s to pull teeth about?