Another painful step in the re-education of House GOP

They should have just left well enough alone. Everything could have kicked in like a reset button. The pain would be short term, but maybe a sudden, drastic cut in public sector spending is what is needed to get the private sector back into spending mode. Hoarding profits doesn’t help the economy at all.

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They seem to believe that by threatening to push the country into default on its debt — a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation — they will be able to rally the American people to their cause

They don’t believe any such thing. On the contrary, they understand perfectly well that their ideology is anathema to a large part of the population. But they are committed to ramming it through anyway. They don’t care about bringing the population around to their positions. They believe they are the ones doing the “educating”.

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“In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people. ”

yet, you have your RBs and FSinks of the world, gobbling it up …

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Hey guys guess what? The Bush Tax Cuts expired two days ago. These tax cuts are NEW.

They’re THE OBAMA TAX CUTS now!

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This is what happens when ‘unskewed’ reality meets reality.

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‘it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing’

Au contraire, It will accomplish a full-out crapstorm within the GOP…grab your popcorn.

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I’m guessing Republicans will keep up this irresponsible behavior until the 2014 mid term elections.

If they get trounced again, then maybe things will change.

However, if their mindless supporters keep them in office, we’ll have to wait for the 2016 elections and hope for the best.

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You have to look no further than the people that peddle that far right crap here as though they’re selling the secret to life itself.

It’s why I keep coming back. It’s a safe distance from the right wing media machine, but I still find out what the bubble is thinking because every time some radio host or Fox News personality says something the frat boys find clever (like a fart) multiple accounts will come on here and repeat it almost verbatim. It’s fun because it also shows just how intellectually bankrupt they are to have to resort to repeating the frat boy stuff rather than thinking for themselves.

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Well said, Jay. I am happy to have you back and Happy New Year.

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The mental, emotional and political recalibration required when unrealistic ideology finally runs head on into reality does not happen quickly or easily. It is, as they say, a process rather than an event, and in this case the process will be drawn out, public and politically bloody.

Witnessed on this blog almost daily… and sadly the cons are getting more violent and graphic in their frustration regarding their failures.

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“They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens.”

I would respectively submit that hardly any politician – Democratic or Republican – is “deemed responsible” by “American citizens” (if we are to believe the polls) these days. As a champion of the Democratic “cause”, could you please indicate what (other than frivolous) cuts to federal spending have proposed by president Obama or Democratic leaders? Or do you happen to think we can accumulate debt ad infinitum without serious consequences or that 16T is not a serious amount of debt or do you think we should borrow billions more and inject it into the economy with the expectation it will turn the economy around?

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The GOP has a sad?

Excrement Occurs.

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“holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people. ”
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Obamacare is cool though…………..right?

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Big Pharma/Insurance seems to think so.
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lol

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USinUK, why next you’ll see a con claim he’s part of OccupyNM.

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“Obamacare is cool though…………..right?”

not being dropped because of a pre-existing condition (that you may or may not have been aware of) … yep.

improved access to and coverage of birth control … yep

improved coverage of children … yep.

sorry you don’t like it, but, if we can’t have a single-payer system, I’ll take it.

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Obamacare is cool though…………..right?

Translation: let’s talk about something else, not crazy Republicans. Those guys are embarrassing.

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Adam @ 10:36

I hang out here and a few other blogs to read the thoughts of both sides. Like you, I love to see the “spontaneous” groupthink postings of the same stuff almost verbatim. It gets really funny when you see it on multiple blogs around the same time frame.

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Jay — “As temporary measures due to expire in 10 years or less and thus no permanent impact on the debt, they could be passed in the Senate through reconciliation.”

Doesn’t that also make them the Devil’s Tax Cuts? After all, the GOP made a huge noise about the reconciliation method of passage not so long ago.

FWIW, I do recall hearing that some Congressmen and Senators were persuaded to support the measure with the ‘it’s only temporary’ argument, but I don’t have any links or evidence to support that.

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Why do you and others keep calling them “tax cuts”. It wasn’t “tax cuts”. It was keeping tax rates the same as they’ve been for 10 years.

If it does not alter the rate in a permanent form, why would it not be a tax cut? Regardless to how long it lasts, if it is not permanent, it is still a tax cut as it’s not the permanent rate.

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Liberals all giddy today about kicking the can further down the road.

Keep giving the fat kid a cookie to shut him up.

Hey liberals, YOU are the fat kid. You’ll be back whining in 60 days when you figure out NOTHING was accomplished by this window dressing. We’re headed to Greece at 78MPH instead of 80MPH.

Enjoy your cookie.

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Oh yes, increasing taxes on 77% of the population and increasing the debt by an additional $4 trillion over the next 10 years is the new “re-education” effort Obama and the Dems want the American people to learn.

Add to that Obama stated:

” We can’t simply cut our way to prosperity. Cutting spending has to go hand-in-hand with further reforms to our tax code so that the wealthiest corporations and individuals can’t take advantage of loopholes and deductions that aren’t available to most Americans. And we can’t keep cutting things like basic research and new technology and still expect to succeed in a 21st century economy. So we’re going to have to continue to move forward in deficit reduction, but we have to do it in a balanced way, making sure that we are growing even as we get a handle on our spending . . .

Today’s agreement enshrines, I think, a principle into law that will remain in place as long as I am President: The deficit needs to be reduced in a way that’s balanced. Everyone pays their fair share. Everyone does their part. That’s how our economy works best. That’s how we grow.”

In other words more taxes, more spending and more debt for the next 4 years is the way we will go as a nation. If you do not believe this is the future of this great nation then off to the “re-education” camp for you.

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Unrealistic ideaology?
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Keynesians and others are fond of claiming that free markets amount to a “trickle-down” theory in which it is supposed that as long as government does not intervene into consensual and peaceful exchange, the good results will “trickle down” from the wealthy to the less-wealthy. Yet, if you think of it, the real “trickle-down” theory is Keynesianism.

I say this because Keynesians believe that if the government gives huge amounts of money to politically-favored entities such as companies like Solyndra as well as firms that do road construction or even to state governments for them to give their public unions raises, then the good results will “trickle down” to the rest of us who do not receive these payments directly.
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And republicans are no longer deemed responsible only to the extent that they are emulating democrats.
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The majority of Americans are ignoring The Cesspool of Washington………and Our numbers Grow.

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Towncrier – “be a sport” … been reading a little too much F Scott Fitzgerald, have we?

The best way to address and pay off federal debt it to stimulate the economy – NOT to put a pillow over its face with austerity measures.

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If you do not believe this is the future of this great nation then off to the “re-education” camp for you.

I hope Santa brought you a much-needed fainting couch.

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Speaker Boehner (R-OH) has found things so difficult, relative to this management of House business, the Repubs from NJ/NY are highly upset with his failure to allow a vote on the Hurricane Sandy FEMA legislation passed by the Senate. It is reported that House Majority Leader Cantor (R-VA) had assured everyone the probability of a vote was “99.9%.”
It has been close to 3 months since the event occurred.

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“The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing.”

Agree.

But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight. That doofuss couldn’t lead a one float parade.

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“All that was passed is higher taxes and hardly no cuts in spending. I do not see how anyone can be proud of their party because this is a disaster.”

Exactly.

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Even after this latest defeat, congressional Republicans continue to tell themselves that in the next confrontation, this time over the debt-limit ceiling, they will finally have “leverage” they need over President Obama and Senate Democrats.

“Leverage.”

Really? Am I the only one here who seems to think that Obama does, in fact, have a perfectly legal and reasonable Plan B if Congress plays that stupid game again, in two months?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/07/could-two-platinum-coins-solve-the-debt-ceiling-crisis/

Put another way: Just because Congress passes a stupid law saying “WE have to approve debt limit increases,” doesn’t mean that they actually do, far as I can tell. And I think Obama would be foolish not to start saying as much fairly soon, so that Americans can brace themselves for the wailing, keening, and gnashing of teeth we’re likely to hear from the GOP in response.

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“Crank the Hyperbole Machine up to 11 and tear the knob off!”

why not just make 10 louder?

but this one goes to 11!

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USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)

January 2nd, 2013
10:49 am

“Obamacare is cool though…………..right?”

not being dropped because of a pre-existing condition (that you may or may not have been aware of) … yep.

improved access to and coverage of birth control … yep

improved coverage of children … yep.

sorry you don’t like it, but, if we can’t have a single-payer system, I’ll take it.
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That’s what millions of Russions said………..circa 1950-1987.
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lol

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This legislation did nothing but kick the can down the road a bit further. While it is acceptable have the wealthy to pay more in taxes, it’s not acceptable to ignore runaway defense, social security and Medicare spending. And, since 40% of children born in America today are born to parents on Medicaid, it’s also essential we start a discussion on population control.

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“TD, THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH!”

td is the leader in ‘unskewed’ truth.

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“In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.”
There are 300 mi of us. Pass out the high capacity clips to the GOP.

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“That’s what millions of Russions said………..circa 1950-1987.”

um. RUSSIANS???

dude, are you for real????

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Brocephus – Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman were genius …

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Insignificant bill that means little? 4 Trillion more in debt; to a Dem I guess, that is an insignificant amount.

Need to run the GOP out of control, yeah that is a good idea. No brakes on the spending, just spend until we get exhausted. We could then have more new government programs than you could shake a stick at. Wind mills for America act, taxes on CO2 emissions, aka, the breath tax, Reparations for mistreated illegal aliens, among other silly ideas from the Dems would be enacted.

Spending on steroids is not the medicine for America.

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“Republican are right to be upset that there was not enough spending cuts to go along with the tax increases.”

Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.

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Medicare and Social Security taxes are paid by wage earners with each pay check.
Why would one consider these items entitlements?

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just spend until we get exhausted

another guy who seems to think that America’s wealth is measured by the C-notes we’ve stuffed under the mattress.

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“But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight”

Right, Sinky! That’s why the republicans run over him, totally getting their own way, right?

Seems like THEY must be even lighter than HIM!

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“Maybe you are not aware that our economy has been flat for about 4 years now, mired in a serious economic slump.”

2% growth in a prevailing headwind is nothing to sneeze at. it’s not a slump, it’s solid growth that isn’t so super-charged that it will fuel inflation.

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“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

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don’t believe things works like that. To the contrary, the strategy reeks of desperation. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.

Yep, And 70% were against Obamacare, so who really gives a squat?

Both parties suck, and if you think it’s all one parties fault, then you suck also.

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And really, RB–”fat kid with a cookie?”

who fed you THAT one? Neal? Sean? Or did you come up with it all by yourselfs?

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But that’s what happens when the occupant of the White House is such a lightweight.

But what does that say about the GOP when they get their butts kicked twice in a national election by a lightweight doofus?

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^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

I guess Mitch McConnell doesnt qualify as a Republican.

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“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

rb, you can’t handle the truthiness!

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“Republicans were part of the agreement that postponed any spending cuts.”

^^^^^ Low information voter. ^^^^^^

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RB thinks no republicans voted for the bill!

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. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.

Uh Uh. That is SO not true ’cause this morning on LimpBalls HE said that 65% of the republic is FOR the republican party! that demographic they’re citing is skewered towards democrats.

Why, if you asked more republicans, then LimpBalls would be right. Let me find all the RIGHT demographics on Brietbart.com or RightWing Pundit or ConnedRUs.com and that’ll show you!

You guys, with your numbers and your facts are REALLY getting on my nerves! Facts? We don’t need no stinking facts! We’ve got the 2nd Ammendment! that’s all the facts we need!

Mr. Facts Meet Mr Smith & Wesson

Protect your public schools!! Armed the Janitors and the Lunch Lady!!!

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The additional taxes on the “rich” will be a mere symbolic drop in the bucket. And they’ve once again deferred action on deficit spending for 60 days – which probably means never. It is very discouraging.

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Ok you progressive liberals won again.

I pay more taxes on soc sec.
I pay more taxes on healthcare.
I pay more taxes on income thru loss of deductions.

Yep my pathetic check is really pathetic now and I owe to all you progressive liberals who took my money and gave it to people who want find a job–extending the unemployment benefits.

Yep the American people should just shout with joy of how well you are doing.

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It suggests to me that GWB had a deleterious affect on the fortunes of the GOP – mianly because of the wars and lack of fiscal responsibility (though I still to this day have a hard imagining how Gore or Kerry would have been much better).

Are you suggesting that its Bush’s Fault? What are you? A Marxist Sympathizer!

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“But what does that say about the GOP when they get their butts kicked twice in a national election by a lightweight doofus?”

Hey, I guess when you give fat kids a choice between some exercise and a cookie, they choose the cookie.

Enjoy your cookie.

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“Hey, I guess when you give fat kids a choice between some exercise and a cookie, they choose the cookie.”

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha …

yeah, your guy was SUCH an intellectual heavyweight!!!

ohsweetjeebus, you keep clinging to that thought – I’m sure it’ll keep you warm at night.

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RB- that “somebody else” is in part ME as a taxpayer, and yes I DO care who pays the bill. I also care about rampant, unchecked military spending while we have senior citizens who deserve a decent standard of living and medical care. I care about the fact that I teach kids who can’t get decent medical care or dental care, many of whom need glasses but their parents can’t afford them because the only jobs out there are part-time and don’t have benefits. I care about the fact that hard-working people are putting in 40+ hours a week for little or no benefits and we think they don’t deserve some kind of decent medical care. You should spend some time with those people instead of sitting here judging them.

I don’t want cookies, but I do want, and will work as hard as I can to get, a country that makes sure we all have the same opportunities, and that those with all the “cookies” get to deny even a crumb to the hungry and hardworking.

Keep shoveling the crap rhetoric. Less and less of the population of this country are believing it.

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Good news for the economy.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/01/02/jobs-unemployment-2013/?hpt=hp_t3

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” And, since 40% of children born in America today are born to parents on Medicaid, it’s also essential we start a discussion on population control.”

So…no restrictions on abortion? How about adding infanticide to the mix? Surely we don’t want to be in the position of telling (or even suggesting to) people what they do in their bedroom (or car, motel room, unsanitized meat truck and so on). Free and casual “love” is cool and funny – just watch shows like Two and a Half Men and How I Met Your Mother; you’ll see.

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rb

Your whole life is consumed by the this debt garbage.
Your an overweight fool from all the cookies you consumed on the gov’t credit card, but now you don’t want to pay the bill!
Too easy to blame obama, that’s your default and it’s a loser.
More people with jobs will be paying taxes, that’s where we need to get.
Your ideology is a big fail, stop drowning in it and save yourself…

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“Free and casual “love” is cool and funny – just watch shows like Two and a Half Men and How I Met Your Mother; you’ll see.”

You can also watch Bristol Palin’s reality show.

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RF, “RB- that “somebody else” is in part ME as a taxpayer, and yes I DO care who pays the bill.”

I call BS on you, dude. You just got through posting how happy you were those evil rich people got hosed and that’s what they deserve.

Pretty damn disgusting, RF.

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So, Jay, is bad blogging behavior here to you like pornography – you know it when you see it? And, if so, do you think all laws or rules aught to be that way (like you know speeding or committing perjury in court when you see it)?

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“it’s also essential we start a discussion on population control.”

Tough to do, when the republicans don’t even want insurance companies to cover it.”

I did not know the insurance companies cover immigration, wow, you progressive liberals are so informed. However ga population is decreasing. As long as the economy is sluggish the liberals will not come to ga–happy happy.

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Hey, I guess when you give fat kids a choice between some exercise and a cookie, they choose the cookie.

Enjoy your cookie.

Well, it seems that the GOP is offering Jazzercize when they should be offering CrossFit or MMA training. Most kids, even the fat ones, have no problem with whoop ass training. The GOP, on the other hand, seems to be stuck in the past.

No thanks on the cookie. I’d much rather eat fruit.

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“So, Jay, is bad blogging behavior here to you like pornography…”

Towncrier, rb may be very angry but that is no reason to ban him.

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“So, Jay, is bad blogging behavior here to you like pornography – you know it when you see it? And, if so, do you think all laws or rules aught to be that way (like you know speeding or committing perjury in court when you see it)?”

TC – if you have a point, you should just come out with it, instead of trying to bait Jay into some kind of semantic trap.

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Adam – 11:28 –

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“Then how would you explain the 2010 midterm elections both on the federal and state level and the 2012 elections where the GOP won more on state levels?”

The Tea Party’s influence upon regional (as is Congressional districts) – rather than national – races. We are still paying out of our pockets for GWB’s fiscal irresponsibility (yes, the economic cost of war should be strongly considered before embarking upon it).

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BTW, your middle class tax cut is permanent so taxes are done.

king attacked the gop for not passing disaster relief so his State.

He said don’t donate to the gop until they pass it.

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Anyone else noticing that Congress has created a situation where the Nation and the World expect so little from them that doing anything, even simply waking up in the morning, stirs the stock markets? Perhaps that’s part of the plan? Make ‘em expect the world to implode, and when it merely cracks a little, celebrate a victory!

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Towncrier — “It suggests to me that GWB had a deleterious affect on the fortunes of the GOP – mianly because of the wars and lack of fiscal responsibility (though I still to this day have a hard imagining how Gore or Kerry would have been much better).”

I seriously doubt that President Gore would have gotten us involved in Iraq.

At all.

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So what are we trying to accomplish now…….?

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I’m a conservative that realizes there must be some tax increases, but also sees that if we don’t curb our spending, all the taxes in the world will not help. For that, you guys label me a “wing-nut”, “extremist”, “radical”.

No, I’m a realist who has to live day to day with a balanced budget. I’m a realist who is mature enough to see that if I don’t control my spending I will put myself and my family in jeapardy. And I am smart enough and honest enough to see that what the liberals are “glowing about” is going to be, in the long term, bad for our country.

But hey, if things go south, the liberal machine will just continue to blame me and other conservatives no matter what and will never meet us in the middle. As Obama has so expertly done and continues to do – he speaks words of “fairness” and “joint sacrifice”, but then his actions and those of the liberals is hardly either.

Unfortunately, time will tell……

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“In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme.”

Yep, that’s where we are.

Who would have ever thought that in America advocating individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism would be considered “extreme?”

We now live in a society thanks to O’bozo, the MSM, and like minded morons, many of whom frequent this blog, the majority of this country now prefers “free” stuff over having to actually expend some effort to attain it.

RIP USA 1776-2012

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Mick

January 2nd, 2013
11:24 am

OK, you got your big wish…taxing the wealthy more…now whats the rest of your grand plan to address the other 90%+ of the problem? Surely doesn’t seem to be telling the country the truth about actual unemployment, the impact on taxpayers of increased healthcare costs that were and are being downplayed as addressed by a flawed law, our ability to truly NOT be impacted by annual deficits nearing 50% of total spending, or the idea given to the public that no amount of debt is relevant?

Whats the rest of the plan? You really believe all is well and the needed sacrifices will be made to right the ship? We should cut spending on defense materially. We need to be realistic (as opposed to igonorant and scaremongering) about entitlement reform. We need realistic assumptions to make meaningful decisions…we get nothing.

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“RB is freaking out. This can only mean one thing:

Good things are happening in America!”

Another poster too stupid to know the cookies are making him fat. Enjoy the cookie!!!

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@Sinkwich

You keep saying the government is “giving away free stuff.” Please give a list of what is free and how would one obtain these items.

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“Those kids have access to Peach Care paid for by my tax dollars.”

ohfercryingoutLOUD … Peach Care isn’t for all working poor – just for people below a certain income. Make $100 more and you’re dropped. With Obamacare, you don’t have to worry about an income threshold.

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“I call BS on you, dude. You just got through posting how happy you were those evil rich people got hosed and that’s what they deserve.”

Quit being a jerk and read what I posted earlier. I didn’t say that and you know it, and I refuse to be baited by your ignorance. How do you guys live being so bitter and angry all the time?

“You’re a lying sack, RF. Those kids have access to Peach Care paid for by my tax dollars.”

Actually, those that do have access find the benefits are limited. Many do not qualify, and I’d urge you to study Peachcare benefits carefully before you spout off. Where does your authority on the program come from, pray tell?

Keep up the namecalling. It’s interesting to watch the neocon meltdown and you never fail to lower yourself to the occasion. I enjoy watching the spittle spewing.

Out for now. Got a doctor’s appointment.

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This is what happens when you become so obsessed with kicking the President in the “jewels”, that you can’t see straight.

“Chess met Checkers”

Boy, this “community organizer” sure knows how to kick some political ass. Been saying it for a while
now.

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“Another poster too stupid to know the cookies are making him fat. Enjoy the cookie!!!”

aw, bless … RB seems to be in the midst of some kind of cookie-induced “episode”

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Hey Fred, Greece didn’t become the joke they’ve become on purpose either, dude. They got there one silly spending bill their people refused to pay for at a time, too.

Keep laughing over your cookie, Fred. I realize it’s the same path Greece went down, but It’ll probably take us somewhere different, right!!

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I noticed Obama’s language on this has changed. He is now saying the Congress is responsible for paying the bills, already, voted on by the Congress, making it the obligation and order of the land. He says this is their mess they need to clean it up. I think O is setting his argument for executive authority to pay these bills by executive unilateral authority to protect the nation and its good name and he has this authority by the Congress voting on these expenses and that the Congress has no constitutional right to now not pay them. I think it will hold up in court and will put this debate on a more sane ground, won’t that be boring for the networks.

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Those kids have access to Peach Care paid for by my tax dollars.

And paid for by those kids’ parents through the monthly premiums that they pay, IF those parents qualify.

(Funny you left that part out.)

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Cut the damned defense budget. It eats up 60 cents of every tax dollar.

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Regnad Kcin, The whole Congress and obama are responsible for this. People can call out others on each side of the fence on their responses but that won’t change a thing. Use that sarcasm and anger toward those who are supposed to be our competent elected officials.

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“Another poster too stupid to know the cookies are making him fat. Enjoy the cookie!!!”

Cookies probably used high fructose corn syrup as sweetener in the recipe.

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We’re all going to become Greek cookies, I hear.

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RB — “Another poster too stupid to know the cookies are making him fat. Enjoy the cookie!!!”

Given that we’ve been ‘eating the cookies’ for at least the last 30+ years due to the massive deficit spending and borrowing we’ve been engaging in (by BOTH Republicans and Democrats), I can only assume that your Alarm Clock of Indignance was set for 1981 and you mistakenly didn’t turn the alarm button to ON.

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F. Sinkwich: Who would have ever thought that in America advocating individual liberty, fiscal responsibility, and free market capitalism would be considered “extreme?”

It isn’t. But the GOP doesn’t ACTUALLY support any of that, which is part of why they are considered extreme.

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The big spending cuts they are fighting about is only 100 billion.

Markets are happy today.

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Are cookies covered under PeachCare? Is that what RB is screaming about?

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RB: Another poster too stupid to know the cookies are making him fat. Enjoy the cookie!!!

I forgot to mention earlier that your analogy was bullsh*t.

Keep trying though. Might be tough to catch up since you still live in the bubble.

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“Are you really THAT stupid RB? ”

yes.

this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.

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or baklava …

not to be mistaken for falafal, or loofah.

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Is that ADAM? I heard he died……….

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moonbat,

To the victor goes the spoils.

Don’t let your ODS get the better of you moonbat.

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Speech on a blog like this is not Constitutionally protected, so there ought to be some clear guidelines regarding some behavior

I can tell you that Jay has a very low tolerance for any kind of slight directed at people’s family members, even when clearly posted in jest. (I’m fine with that, even thought it’s meant some of my stuff has been yanked as a result.)

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Regarding the “GOP too extreme” poll; I wonder what a poll about the President’s “spending and climbing debt” would reveal. Oh, also have Fox News do the polling.

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“not to be mistaken for falafal, or loofah.”

or a balaklava …

or balalaika (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg)

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“I seriously doubt that President Gore would have gotten us involved in Iraq. At all.”

You may be right. But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan. And I don’t know how much he would have wanted to invest in anti-global warming strategies (even though, hypocritically the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions upon millions in the “green energy” area). He is a bit loony in some points, if you ask me. And I think he, like so many politicians, is an out and out hypocrite.

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If we become Greek Cookie Monsters, can we still eat girl scout cookies? Perhaps we can get some government girl scout cookies? I just hope they don’t have olives in everything.

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The GOP will have the last laugh, once obama and his loony lib cronies ruin the economy by spending us to oblivion. This “deal” isn’t a deal at all…it raised taxes by $41 for every $1 in spending cuts. Yeah, that’ll get us back on track…not. Over the next few years, middle class will pay $1,000 more in taxes, unemployment will be upwards of 10%, small businesses will close due to obozocare and the GOP will say, told you so.

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FRED,

I wasn’t limiting my 80% comment to top 2%…IMO the top tax payers are those above 75K or so in income. This group pays 70% of taxes and that number is trending up the past 30 years…

Also, the top 1% pay as much as bottom 95%…if you want to refer to assets held, we should tax assets as well.

My point is your side is all out of real ideas to be honest or work toward getting us headed toward and solution to improve our financial condition…you got your paltry increases from rich (which I support)what is the next grand plan?

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/top-1-of-american-taxpayers-pay-almost-as-much-in-taxes-as-bottom-95-and-half-of-that-group-paid-nothing-in-2010/

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“I can tell you that Jay has a very low tolerance for any kind of slight directed at people’s family members, even when clearly posted in jest. (I’m fine with that, even thought it’s meant some of my stuff has been yanked as a result.)”

Well, why do that after the fact, instead of laying out a few clear guidelines before hand so everyone knows what the rules of the game are?

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Most important, Washington Republicans wanted the payroll tax cut to end. They fought the cut in the first place, and have been fighting to end it ever since it passed.

Exactly right. Those taxes affect everybody especially the poor.

Thats why they were all for them ending.

But they will fight taxes on millionaires to the death.

Very telling where their priorities are.

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“That is my point. I was trying to bait a clear response from Jay, not catch him (as you suppose) in some kind of “semantic trap”.”

TC – Thanks for explaining. I appreciate your clear and well-articulated position, and agree.

“Your taste in music is excellent. It exactly coincides with my own!” – King Henry VIII, A Man for All Seasons

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DebbieDoRight – Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am

No joke, when you said “What dem damn DEMS did to the Republicans in 2012…..” that video was the FIRST thing I thought of.

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“The GOP will have the last laugh”

Filed in the same trashcan as the Romney-will-win-in-a-landslide predictions.

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“To suffer ignorant fools is not a burden I wish to shoulder.”

in other words … you got nuttin.

as usual.

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The rich had their taxes raised and Capital gains taxes went up ( that means you Mitt Romney).

While taxes on middle class and poor stayed the same.

Obama whipped the GOP again and pretty much got everything he wanted.

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But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan.

Agreed. I’d like to think that a President Al Gore would’ve turned this into a years-long occupation, but who knows. It’s never easy for a Commander-in-Chief to tell his generals it’s time to declare victory and leave.

[...] the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions [...]

and now you’re just deflecturbating.

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“Please give a list of what is free and how would one obtain these items.”

Notice he didn’t give you a list. Because he doesn’t have one.

He is just one of these types that really doesn’t know whats going on. He just repeats what he hears others say if it fits his point of view.

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Towncrier — “You may be right. But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan.”

For the record, I have never objected to President Bush sending our troops into Afghanistan. FWIW, I think he should have been *more* aggressive in getting troops in there ASAP, particularly due to the fact that OBL was *there* in the first place.

“And I don’t know how much he would have wanted to invest in anti-global warming strategies (even though, hypocritically the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions upon millions in the “green energy” area). He is a bit loony in some points, if you ask me. And I think he, like so many politicians, is an out and out hypocrite.”

I don’t see how you can call him a “hypocrite” when he’s never argued against energy consumption. He’s strongly argued to reduce your *carbon footprint,* and to that end, he’s purchased offsetting carbon credits from his power company for several years.

I think you’re mistaken on what his position is, was and has always been — and that’s reducing *carbon emissions,* not reducing power consumption.

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Fred

Ok, I figured somebody had put that one over the airwaves with the frequency that it’s being battered around here.

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My point is your side is all out of real ideas to be honest or work toward getting us headed toward and solution to improve our financial condition…you got your paltry increases from rich (which I support)what is the next grand plan?

My side? Which side pray tell is that? I’m a damn independent. I think we need to cut the hell out of spending INCLUDING entitlements AND the military AND raise the taxes.

Once again you revealed yourself to truly be a Republican posing as an “independent.” You have the mantra. Anyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with the FOXBOTS and talk show hosts is “librul” or “your side.”

Thanks for playing though.

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Happy New Year!

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DDR ……My grandson is 20 and STILL does what they are doing ..Hang on , it is a bumpy ride !!!

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oy.

“I’d like to think that a President Al Gore would’n’t have turned this into a years-long occupation”, I meant to post.

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“In SOME points? LOL I think he’s nuttier than a fruit cake.”

I am not convinced one can be VP and a thorough-going nutcase. And I really like a few things he said in his campaign for the presidency – like making finding a true alternate energy resource as important as going to the moon was and establishing a rainy day fund for emergencies.

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But after all the conservative complaints about the 47 percent not paying their fair share, they suddenly become champions of that 47 percent?

The GOP had the perfect opportunity to do something about that 47% if they were really so effin’ angry about people not paying federal income taxes. They simply had to do nothing, let the tax rates reset to their last permanent level, and the 47% would have dropped down as more people would have a net tax liability at the end of the year.

Just like anything else, politicians screw up everything they get their hands on.

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“Do teenagers have some sort of sleeping sickness when they’re that age or something?”

Yes – and it lasts into grad school…

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DDR @ 11:56,

Teen sleeping is normal. They’re still growing and that only happens while the body is asleep. Also, the shift in circadian rhythm is completely normal. They’re wired to stay up later at night and sleep later. It’s fine. If you have chores for them, just wait ’till they get up, fill their bellies, and then give them the list as a pre-condition to going anywhere or doing anything fun. They should be rested, capable, and more efficient. No worries!

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Why not just have them make up their “unskewed” figures? Oh, wait, that was probably what you had in mind already

Well duh!

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“Peadawg did you see that game?!”

I was watching the Ga game and was flipping to the SC game during the commercials. I missed the hit but I’ve seen a dozen replays.

I’m already looking forward to UGA at Clemson to start the season.

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Thanks Matti! I really thought something was wrong with them! I was about to call a doctor.

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My side? Which side pray tell is that? I’m a damn independent.

More like damn stubborn….

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I’m already looking forward to UGA at Clemson to start the season.

Me too. I want revenge against Clemson. I hope DemDawgs make puppy chow outta those kittens.

Revenge for LSU!!!

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Gods, I love Orvis!

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“A fine upstanding pillar of the church such as yourself needs guidelines so you know what you can and can not post? How odd…”

So all of us know, Fred. In particular, you. I wasn’t going to name names, my friend, but I guess you couldn’t help but to implicate yourself.

I would recommend, Jay, that you look at some of Fred’s posts the past week or so. I find him to be mean-spirited and obnoxious a fair amount of the time and he seems to care little what I or you or anyone else thinks about his verbal diarrhea: he will insult and denigrate people as he sees fit, no one is going to stop him and he is always ready to justify his behavior on whatever grounds he can imagine (such as he is the voice of truth and will suffer the fires of hell rather than tell a lie – like that you or I are not stupid as “dog squeeze”). I mean, is this really the kind of public commentary you want associated with your column?

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according to the congressional budget office this bill adds $4 trillion to the debt

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RF, “and I’d urge you to study Peachcare benefits carefully before you spout off. Where does your authority on the program come from, pray tell?”

http://dch.georgia.gov/eligibility-criteria

It ain’t all that hard to do a simple google search RF. Maybe you can copy that link and send it to all those families you pretend to care about.

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If Georgia voters are frustrated with the federal government…. if Georgia voters are frustrated with the bickering in Congress…. if Georgia voters are frustrated with the House of Representatives unable to come up with a real solution…

You only have yourselves to blame. After all, Georgia voters continue to blindly vote for these idiot conservative “just say no” republicans that only look out for the most wealthy. It is YOUR fault. You voted for these idiots.

As a voter, YOU need to become truely informed about issues (and not by getting brain washed by FOX News). YOU need to consider what is best for our Country and our citizens (not just the most wealthy). YOU need to objectively cast your vote for the best candidate (and not just vote for an idiot because they are republican).

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Mick@10:54 am

With republican ideology, common sense is definitely not common
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Quit taking my name in vain

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“If the sleeping thing is news, wait ’til she notices their rate of food consumption.”

Just keep your hands and feet away from their mouths!

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Thanks everyone — a little experience from the pros helps a lot!

Stands: I seem to recall being able to find absurd reasons to stay up past 3, 4am at that age, and so it was easy-peasy to sleep past noon. Might have something to do with avoiding grownups during grownups’ waking hours?

HA! Very funny stands!
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AqGirl: Yes. Did you just notice this phenomenon?

First time I’ve spent any REAL time with just them and me. Usually when they come visit it’s mostly when their dad is here and I’m usually at work. Since I’m working from home today, I noticed it; but I’ve never noticed it before. I can’t recall my mother allowing us to sleep past 8 a.m. — even on school holidays!
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Paulo: DDR ……My grandson is 20 and STILL does what they are doing ..Hang on , it is a bumpy ride !!!

YOU have a grandson Paulo!! You don’t “type” like you’re over 40!
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Reginald: Yes – and it lasts into grad school…

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“Try turning your sarcasm detector all the way up and I think it should become more clear to you.”

I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.

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I would recommend, Jay, that you look at some of Fred’s posts the past week or so. I find him to be mean-spirited and obnoxious a fair amount of the time and he seems to care little what I or you or anyone else thinks about his verbal diarrhea: he will insult and denigrate people as he sees fit, no one is going to stop him and he is always ready to justify his behavior on whatever grounds he can imagine (such as he is the voice of truth and will suffer the fires of hell rather than tell a lie – like that you or I are not stupid as “dog squeeze”). I mean, is this really the kind of public commentary you want associated with your column?
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In other words you are a control freak who wants the freedom to preach and tell lies but others aren’t allowed that freedom.

I find that syndrome often in Baptists. You really should try Kyles place. He allows the folks like you to post whatever crap they want and then protects them from the results.

You have freedom of choice. You can CHOSE to skip right over my posts big boy. Try that if you cant’ put on a pair of big boy pants and receive what you dish out.

Last I saw you don’t pay my bills, my salary and you don’t sleep with me. You aren’t my mom. When you get out ogf line trying to tell me like I’m your little boy or something what to do or how to post I certainly WILL tell you to bite my ass. I did it yesterday and I’ll do it again today. Bite my ass. I will NOT be controlled by you.

When you make inflammatory posts and you make posts of dubious validity, sanity, or intellect, you will hear about it at this place.

Grow a set of balls. I don’t tell YOU how to post, and personally, I find the body of foxbot lies you spam us with disgusting. I find it shows a limited intelligence. I find it exhibits an unwillingness to learn, to bask in your ignorance as it were. I am not one who suffers fools.

There is an easy cure. Post the truth. Post original thoughts. Open your mind. Be willing to listen to new ideas. Admit when you are wrong. In short, act like a person with brains and wit. It’s not hard to do.

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Towncrier — “I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.”

It’s not the expression to which I point your attention.

It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.

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It appears to me that a majority of House Republicans have simply turned into anarchists with no realistic program. This is even worse than the rule or ruin program that many have accused them of. For even if they did rule, there is no indication that they have any agreement on any program for governing other than to destroy the government elected by us all.

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“If anything it just shows how crazy the Bush tax cuts were from the beginning.”

Why not let them expire? You liberals have been telling your idiotic sheep for years they were only for the rich anyway, so who cares if they expire, right?

Unless you’ve been lying to the sheep….

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Don Abernethy: Jay, the painful step will be when the spending of the liberals bankrupts our government.

As opposed to the spending of the “conservatives” and war profiteers that bankrupted our government? If I had to weigh the pain of liberal spending vs. conservative spending, I’m thinking the liberal spending on stuff like education, health care, infrastructure, first responders and such hurts less than the spending on occupying foreign countries, buying combat planes we never use in combat, and enabling huge profits for the industrial war machine owners and their buddies. Cheney and his pals might disagree on what constitutes “pain,” though. Fewer cases consumed per year of Macallan 25 could be considered “pain” for guys like that.

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RB — “Why not let them expire? You liberals have been telling your idiotic sheep for years they were only for the rich anyway, so who cares if they expire, right? Unless you’ve been lying to the sheep….”

You cons have been claiming that they help everybody, but when the chips are down, you’re only willing to go to the mat for the benefit of the most wealthy among us.

So if there’s lying going on, maybe you should look in your own political neighborhood.

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
12:25 pm

Towncrier — “I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.”

It’s not the expression to which I point your attention.

It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.
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That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants. TC doesn’t mind all that crap that Twinkie posted the other day either. It’s only me. More specifically it was me telling him to bite my ass when he tried to tell me how I’m supposed to practice my Christianity the other day.

I have a way about me, it really grates on those who have closed their mind. I keep rubbing their nose in it and it makes them mad. It makes them furious. Furious that they lack the ammunition to “prove” their false positions, they start campaigns to get me banned. Dave R did it……. Del did it……. among others. TC is merely the latest in a long list of intolerant closed minded blowhards who lack the ability to think for themselves or the intellectual integrity to admit when they are wrong and get mad when told so.

If TC were to be HONEST he would say that at least two times I was in error in something I posted towards him and both times I APOLOGISED for it. See an apology or admission of error isn’t something he would do (lol you either I seem to recall ).

So we’ll see. If Jay flips his two sided Fred coin and it lands on Fred I could be gone lol. But sometimes it lands on the edge and I’m safe for a few hours…………

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Excellent respoinse at 12:25 Fred!

TC, you remind me of the kid who constantly looks for ways to tell on the other kids. Gotta know the rules before you can tattle…….

If you’re unwilling to expose yourself to the comments being posted here, then Kyle’s blog is waiting ……

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Do we now have the Obama tax rates and the Clinton tax rates with
the Bush tax rates gone by the wayside ?

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Fred — “That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants.”

It’s not immaterial to me. I’ve been your target before and I’ve never called for you (or anyone else) to be silenced or banned. And while TC may think that there’s some favoritism going on here in how the ‘rules’ are enforced, I’d say that he’s pretty selective in his outrage; he’s certainly overlooked some beyond-the-pale recent comments from some of his ideological fellow travelers if he’s bent on conducting a ban fatwa.

“If TC were to be HONEST he would say that at least two times I was in error in something I posted towards him and both times I APOLOGISED for it. See an apology or admission of error isn’t something he would do (lol you either I seem to recall ).”

I don’t do it *often,* but I have done both here in the past. FWIW, it doesn’t surprise me that you’ve never actually seen me do it.

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I like the “re-education” of the GOP that Jay uses in his title.

HaHa – I can see it now…A big Obama, Che style billboard at the entrance of all the re-education camps.

Hilarious.

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Let see Obama first demanded $1.6 trillion in revenue. The repubs offered $800 billion and Obama settles for $600 billion. Plus 98 percent have there tax rates enacted permently. Sounds like Obama is the one who misplayed this but then again I didn’t get that free Ivy league education.

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Jay,

Why can’t either party propose a balanced budget?

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 2nd, 2013
12:41 pm
Fred — “That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants.”

Nope. I’m a con and not a Republican. Big distinction. And I like to pull the L lever even if the Libertarian guy has little or no chance.

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And I don’t like Notre Dame either. Just wanted to make that clear in case anyone isn’t convinced by my previous post.

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you don’t sleep with me. You aren’t my mom.

um, Fred…

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josef: I was just reading an interesting historical email I got and for some reason it reminded me of you……

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“They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens. In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.”

Especially if you can use the mass lame stream media to shift the blame from you to the republicans. Good job of convincing those morons on the east coast, west coast, and northern US that the GOP had the gun.

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And I don’t like Notre Dame either.

Well, now I know who to root for in that game.

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Cons, when you trash Obama and the Democrats for trying to be adult and sensible, this image of you comes to mind:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Most+Funny+Pictures+Ever&FORM=RESTAB#view=detail&id=EBA3BFB5C1C59183319C96298660C23E53B24AFC&selectedIndex=101

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“Nope. I’m a con and not a Republican. Big distinction.”

I am too, and yes there is a big distinction.

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“Especially if you can use the mass lame stream media to shift the blame from you to the republicans. Good job of convincing those morons on the east coast, west coast, and northern US that the GOP had the gun.”

Wow. Everybody’s stoopit but willie…

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Jays article should have the background music to “Skip a rope”.

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Fred – 12:25 “act like a person with brains and wit”

Where did you cut and paste that from?

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Wow. Everybody’s stoopit but willie…

Not everybody, but over half the US population lives within 50 miles of the coast, apparently. Whole lotta “morons,” however you slice it, according to willie.

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Hey Fred,

Saw talk of Scotch Bonnets earlier.

If you like hot wings, I did some on Monday basted with a Caribbean Scotch Bonnet hot sauce on the egg that were really good.

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Steve

January 2nd, 2013
1:00 pm
Horse pucky! That is liberal masturbation.

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A pullout on CNN states that a paycheck reduction due to the tax change is going to be tough to explain to workers. Really? Where have those workers been for several months? I guess it explains why so many idiots keep getting re-elected. People do not pay attention to anything those elected officials actually do.

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Alas, to suffer fools is a burden I must reluctantly bear. I response to popular demand, I offer the following as a partial list of the “free stuff” Obamatrons voted to recieved last November:

Healthcare
College
Food
Retirement
Cell phones
Gas
Welfare
Housing
Rubbers
Pills
Etc.

All funded by “someone else,” of course.

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Williebkind? Horsepucky? Is that what you learned in hillbilly debate class? Nice comeback, you really got me.

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willie — “Horse pucky! That is liberal masturbation.”

Sorry, Willie.

Reagan did the same thing that Obama’s doing now — massive deficit spending in order to jump-start the economy. It’s a matter of historical record.

In fact, some of Reagan’s economic advisers have been speaking out lately, pointing out that Obama’s doing JUST what they told Reagan he should do 30 years ago.

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FRED

Do tell!

So, now you’re EOO? Equal Opportunity Offender? Like EOI, it’s an elite clique…

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“It’s not the expression to which I point your attention. It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.”

Ah. Well, I didn’t mean to appear to care only about the abuses of liberals. I have admitted my own and have pointed out some of “cons” to Jay from time to time. I think it is fair to say that there are not a great number of posters (on the right or left) here that are either willing or able to engage in intelligent and reasonable debate. So most of these wind up simply posting gross generalizations, denunciations, ridicule, personal attacks and so on. This blog is sometimes little more than a cesspool.

Jay is a pretty good columnist (as, I think, is Kyle). I have accused him of being a propagandist more than one (because I really believe he plays that role as a “liberal” blogger), but at least – once one gets past the “rah, rah” stuff, one can debate with his arguments (or better, the assumptions underlying his arguments). He has reasons and evidence for what he believes. Good enough. That is what we should all bring to the table, including me.

For the record, I will admit that the presidential polls did not prove to be a distortion of reality. I am still not convinced that polling can really be all that accurate given the serious challenges it faces with a rapidly evolving telephone technology. And I am sure there are alternate explanations for why they appeared to be accurate this time. If the number of respondents to polls was more like 40% than less than 9%, I would feel much better in relying upon them.

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Speaking of Scotch Bonnets, has Kamchak been on at all today?

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“All kinds of ball gets played at UH, both men’s and women’s sports, and tickets are cheap”

Put the “rainbow” back in “rainbow warriors”!

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SoCo/Bro

I’m here, just don’t have much to say on this topic. The chicken turned out just fine and I’m still in one piece. I probably shoulda cut out that third scotch bonnet, though….

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“53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme.”

That’s just about the same # who voted for Obama and slightly more than the number of people that don’t pay federal income taxes. Hmmmm – I wonder if there is a correlation?

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Doom — “I’m flattered that libs love the B O O M.”

Trainwrecks do draw crowds, you know.

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it is my understanding, that with the R’s unwillingness to compromise…taxes were raised and spending was held steady

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“It ain’t all that hard to do a simple google search RF. Maybe you can copy that link and send it to all those families you pretend to care about”

Dude, I’ve read all about it, many times. IF the families can afford the premiums, it’s not bad. Problem is, and you can’t refute this no matter how hard you try, is that the working poor in this country often can’t afford the premiums even if they qualify. I also have kids on Medicare, which has limited coverage when you can find a doctor that accepts it at the current rate it pays. My two sons were on it when I had temporary custody, so I know how that works from personal experience. It’s hard as hell to get, and coverages change often, so it and Peach Care are not panaceas. They also don’t cover the adults who are working and make too much to qualify. It’s a shame that in a country as great as our own that millions of hard working citizens, born and raised here, can’t get any kind of medical coverage. And it’s an even greater shame that so many like you sit in judgment of them and look down on them as if somehow you are more American than they are while they continue to work as hard or harder than you do for what little they have. God will judge us for our arrogance in thinking that only the elect few deserve the benefits of living in this country. Don’t forget- those folks vote too, and handed your kind a well-deserved election butt kicking. Get the message or get out.

How sad and lonely it is becoming to be so selfish and narrow minded. Must be scary for you to realize you are now in the minority and the country is still standing.

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Kam

I was worried about you. I figured that third one would be kinda dangerous. Glad to know you’re ok.

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Fred

Had that happened, Kam would have ended up burning down half the East Coast.

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Towncrier — “call for guidance on what Jay terms “civil” exchange here.”

Seems to me like Jay gives folks a warning (in most cases) if they stray outside his boundaries. Is that not working for you for some reason?

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So what, exactly, is your point?

That your call for more guidance was really about your personal irritation with other posters. There’s nothing wrong with that, just say so straight up instead of kicking the can around like you’re a member of Congress.

Okay, I apologize for that last bit of name-calling, comparing someone to a member of Congress should be an automatic ban.

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“it is my understanding, that with the R’s unwillingness to compromise”

What do you call raising tax on people making over $400k? I’ll call that a compromise on the GOP’s part.

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Big Daddy…

You might want to be judicious in picking on Freddie, just a friendly piece of advice…

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“Trainwrecks do draw crowds, you know.”

Not really. They draw onlookers who got nothing better to do. Try again.

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“And I am sure there are alternate explanations for why they appeared to be accurate this time.”

Yeah, Karl just KNEW he had it right…but then he didn’t and got spanked on live TV for it. Yeah, those polls just couldn’t have really reflected what the majority of Americans thought. Come on, when are you guys going to accept that a lot of folks just aren’t buying what you’re selling and see how wrong it is?

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JHM, I think TC is asking because it is clear that while Jay was on vacation, lines were crossed by some.

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Sandy Boehner SHEETZ!

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What do you call raising tax on people making over $400k?

sarcasm

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Towncrier

January 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm

“All that hemming and hawing, why didn’t he come out and say Fred was mean to him? Instead there’s this passive-aggressive whining about “rules are needed” and “surely you must be ashamed of the comments here” before we get to the REAL problem…”Fred was mean to me!”

Because Fred wasn’t the only one I was talking about. I focused in on him since he interjected himself into a dialogue I am wanting to have with Jay. You complained to the high heavens about what TD said to you and even implied he would get banned for it. So what, exactly, is your point? It seems – correct me if I am wrong – to be simply to belittle my call for guidance on what Jay terms “civil” exchange here.
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Had you wanted it to remain PRIVATE you could have emailed Jay. You do know about email yes? I thought so.

Nope, you WANTED it to be public. A good fainting couch, martyr scene NEEDS an audience. What;’s the point of being a drama queen if no one gets to see it?

I never do the drama queen thing in private, what a waste that would be………. it’s like cussing out the boos in the privacy of your car on the way home AFTER being fired. You don’t get your money’s worth.

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“Come on, when are you guys going to accept that a lot of folks just aren’t buying what you’re selling and see how wrong it is?”

I am not selling anything at this point. But I have linked to many articles in the past about the increasing problems there are with polling. Look into it and what pollsters are saying about that difficulty.

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Doom — “Not really.”

Denied.

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KUTGF — “JHM, I think TC is asking because it is clear that while Jay was on vacation, lines were crossed by some.”

On both sides.

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Towncrier
This blog is sometimes little more than a cesspool.
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If you find yourself floating here you might want to check your smell
but I will say you contribute to the effluvium as you can say less with
more words than almost anyone else on the blog if you don’t count
cut and paste. As a conservative you can always use the Romney
philosophy of self deportation and take Erwin’s cat with you.

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F. Sinkwich – 1:06

Oh, you mean THAT “free stuff”.

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“A lack of clear guidelines doesn’t stop you from *trying* to do anything. It simply means that you lack clear guidelines to accomplish it, if that’s what you’re trying to do.”

Engineering is based upon known rules. I am one; I know. Perhaps you should have used a different word then. In any case, my plan was to see what guidelines Jay would lay down (so we all know) and THEN call people on them in the FUTURE. I wasn’t planning on saying a thing about the past week. But Jay was virtually unresponsive so, not wanting to abandon a reasonably good local blog for a national one, I thought I might try to get him to think about it. Any guidelines (as with laws) he might come up with would not be retroactive. In that case, I would probably get a suspension.

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Towncrier — “Engineering is based upon known rules. I am one; I know. Perhaps you should have used a different word then.”

A fair point. Mea culpa on that.

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“Don’t take it personally…I’m still mad at Doom and felt I had to passive-aggressively one-up his 12:44.”

Aquagirl,

You have my sincerest apology for being an assclown to you.

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Both parties are to blame here, not just the GOP. This is where my problem with Mr. Bookman is, he refuses to aknowledge that the Demorcats are just as bad. Raiding the wealthy will not bring ecomnomic prosperity. Taxes leveraged on a business will be passed on to consumers which makes our bread and butter more expensive. When there is not enough money coming in from the wealthy, then the middle class will pay more to support the looting class.

The way to fix our economy is modest, across the board tax increases, draconian goverment spending cuts (federal & state level), revisiting all entitlements, cutting the looter class and cutting regulations. Not one party will do anything because they are all afraid of the next election and loosing power. As a superpower nation, we are doomed, maybe as a whole nation as well.

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I dont need no stinking blog rules.

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doom

Sorry, coming out of catholic retirement to pull for the fightin irish to disband, dismantle, and defame the nick satan mythology! The resident evil ends next week!!!

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Ah. I just asked Kyle the same question and he linked me to his set of rules:

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2009/11/11/some-rules-for-this-blog/

That was good of him. I wouldn’t expect Jay to have the same kind of guidelines as Kyle or as many (what kind of liberal would that make him, after all?). But it sure would be nice to have a few to prevent the really mean-spirited and hateful posts that we see here from the right and left.

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BIG DADDY

Thanks…I’ll be getting it…

THULSA

Another one I forgot to mention the other day…” La noche de los lápices”

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Obama promises to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. We get to the end of his first term, deficits have gone up, not down, and Bookman and his kook-lib parrots portray Republicans as loony for asking where are the spending cuts to go along with the tax hike on the rich.

Said tax hike garners about $80 billion per year by the most generous estimates, reducing budget deficits from $1.10 trillion to $1.02 trillion.

You really can’t make this stuff up.

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Ben Shockley:

Liberals have a reading comprehension deficit! If “is” is “is”, then spending is the same as cutting the budget.

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“Jay Bookman and his kook-lib buddies chastising House Republicans for threatening to return us to the Clinton tax rates and Clinton spending levels”

Au contraire, we’re evidently “kook lib” for suggesting a return to those tax rates, or haven’t you been listening to the Grover Norquist crowd lately? They don’t want anything to do with those tax rates, regardless of how good the economic news was then. That’s been the whole argument from the TP “kooks” of late that those were just TERRIBLE times and a threat to capitalism and the Constitution and everything good about America.

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“Engineering is based upon known rules. I am one; I know.”

What kind of train do you drive?

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“Someday, you will finish your homeschooling(maybe) and no longer live with mommie and daddie.”

“I guess it makes you feel powerful to insult my parents who have been dead for more than 20 years. Glad I could help you feel empowered. If you want to travel to Oklahoma you REALLY feel like a big man and urinate on their graves…”

What was that line of Tom Cruse’s in A Few Goo Men? “And the hits keep on coming”.

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“Kyle is a passive aggressive liar and he does not enforce his rules with any attempt at parity. If Jay was like Kyle, this blog would be shut down at night.”

“And the hits keep on coming”.

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“Bookman and his kook-lib parrots portray Republicans as loony for asking where are the spending cuts to go along with the tax hike on the rich”

Nah, what we’re actually asking is why the nutjobs on the right didn’t accept the spending cuts offered earlier and why the Senate had to pen such a watered-down bill to get through the Senate 89-8. A lot more cuts were offered while the right-wing nuts just sat with their arms folded and yelled NO!! Now they’re complaining because they didn’t get what the originally were offered. Sheesh- all they do is whine and complain, no matter what.

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What hits? It’s the truth.

Go over there right now and see how many names you see called. How many “libt@rds” and such. Then look at little kylies rules.

The AJC has clearly defined rules for posting, they shouldn’t be arbitrary to each blog like lil Kylie and Schultz have made them. The AJC has an auto snagger. If they don’t want the word ass to get through they can put it on the auto snagger. They don’t want damn, put it on the auto snagger.

The problem is as I said earlier, you are a control freak and want freedom to post what YOU want but want to limit that for others.

You are like the guy driving in the left lane doing 65 in a 55 who won’t move over for faster traffic. You say, “I’m going fast enpough for anyone to go.” Yes, you are breaking the law just as someone who wants to go 75, but YOU are the one (in your mind) who gets to decide how much the law gets broken.

I know the truth is hard for you to handle, but it IS the truth.

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FRED

Oklahoma? See Chapter 12

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When you think about it, House Republicans have basically rendered themselves worthless at best, and an enemy of the people at worst:

1. Debt ceiling – Don’t fight over it, let them default it and face re-election in 2014.
2. Budget – Ditto. Let them “shut ‘er down” the way Newt did…NOT A PRETTY SITE…
3. Budget cuts – Just go with the sequester…….BOOM…DONE….

We really don’t need the House at all for the 113th Congress…!!!!!!!!

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I’m ready to take back my country and if that means retirement for me so that I can throw my hat into the political ring, I’ll do it to save this soil that I love so much. Amen, Bill

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I just read Jay’s comment policy — they are pretty easy going.

Mine are far harsher and more restrictive: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/comment-policy/

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