Another painful step in the re-education of House GOP
Given all the drama, hand-wringing and arm-twisting involved, you might think that the legislation approved last night by the House represents an achievement of historic importance.
It does not.
Seldom has so much intrigue been committed to such small effect. The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing. It merely means that two months from now, the same set of players will re-enact this same sad-sack spectacle, as the federal government lurches from crisis to crisis like some banana republic that is incapable of ruling itself.
Yet as painful and as ugly as the process might be, it is also sadly necessary. The mental, emotional and political recalibration required when unrealistic ideology finally runs head on into reality does not happen quickly or easily. It is, as they say, a process rather than an event, and in this case the process will be drawn out, public and politically bloody.
Even after this latest defeat, congressional Republicans continue to tell themselves that in the next confrontation, this time over the debt-limit ceiling, they will finally have “leverage” they need over President Obama and Senate Democrats. They seem to believe that by threatening to push the country into default on its debt — a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation — they will be able to rally the American people to their cause.
I don’t believe things works like that. To the contrary, the strategy reeks of desperation. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.
The last two years, in other words, have proved disastrous for the party’s reputation, particularly among moderates and independents. They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens. In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.
– Jay Bookman
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tm
January 2nd, 2013
12:44 pm
Let see Obama first demanded $1.6 trillion in revenue. The repubs offered $800 billion and Obama settles for $600 billion. Plus 98 percent have there tax rates enacted permently. Sounds like Obama is the one who misplayed this but then again I didn’t get that free Ivy league education.
josef
January 2nd, 2013
12:45 pm
Oh, good…Bill Orvis White and Big Daddy are here…my world is now back in om…
I’ll not comment on the thread since, one, I’m not interested and two, I don’t want to break THAT resolution just yet…
FRED
Is somebody telling on you…?
CFBFan
January 2nd, 2013
12:47 pm
Jay,
Why can’t either party propose a balanced budget?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:48 pm
Doom — “Respect SABAN! Do it!”
Can’t do it.
At least not until he can stop them there tor-naders from tearing up the Bama campus.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
12:49 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:41 pm
Fred — “That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants.”
Nope. I’m a con and not a Republican. Big distinction. And I like to pull the L lever even if the Libertarian guy has little or no chance.
Road Scholar
January 2nd, 2013
12:49 pm
My “lightweight” President just kicked your “always say no” republicans’ a$$! How do you like those cookies!
Now the hard work begins since the repubs forgot there is another party in the House. What should we start with?….Cut the military! Cut Congress’s benefits..retirement, health club, travel budgets, etc. Cut some foreign aid. Raise SS age by 2 years.Since Bush never paid for it…medicare part d. End the wars now.! Lets actually build some infrastructure.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
12:50 pm
And I don’t like Notre Dame either. Just wanted to make that clear in case anyone isn’t convinced by my previous post.
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
12:50 pm
TC, you remind me of the kid who constantly looks for ways to tell on the other kids. Gotta know the rules before you can tattle……
All that hemming and hawing, why didn’t he come out and say Fred was mean to him?
Instead there’s this passive-aggressive whining about “rules are needed” and “surely you must be ashamed of the comments here” before we get to the REAL problem…”Fred was mean to me!”
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:51 pm
you don’t sleep with me. You aren’t my mom.
um, Fred…
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
Just getting warmed up for the game is all.
What game ?
Alabama vs Notre Dame
Snoooze.
Alabama is a minor league sports state. They dont even have any professional teams.
In fact Alabama football is about all they have to be proud of.
Sad really.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
josef: I was just reading an interesting historical email I got and for some reason it reminded me of you……
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
Sounds like Obama is the one who misplayed this but then again I didn’t get that free Ivy league education.
are you saying Obama did?
If that’s so, why were he and Michelle paying off student loans all those years?
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
12:52 pm
“They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens. In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.”
Especially if you can use the mass lame stream media to shift the blame from you to the republicans. Good job of convincing those morons on the east coast, west coast, and northern US that the GOP had the gun.
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
12:53 pm
All of this will be moot in several years when the shale oil boom of this decade bumps up the economy, which creates more tax revenue and helps to pay down debt.
We need spending cuts, but where? You cons want a bloated expensive military and want to cut the safety net programs that middle class Americans paid into and depend on in their later years. If you want to take food away from poor babies, you have to also tax the very wealthy more. Common sense, people. common sense.
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
And I don’t like Notre Dame either.
Well, now I know who to root for in that game.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
Did you see how the ref’s cheated S.Carolina on that Michigan “first down?”- Fred
That was enough to jaw drop anyone lib or con.
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
Cons, when you trash Obama and the Democrats for trying to be adult and sensible, this image of you comes to mind:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Most+Funny+Pictures+Ever&FORM=RESTAB#view=detail&id=EBA3BFB5C1C59183319C96298660C23E53B24AFC&selectedIndex=101
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
U.S. markets surge after Congress approves ‘cliff’ deal
more fat kids giddy about getting their Greek cookies, looks like.
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
12:54 pm
“Nope. I’m a con and not a Republican. Big distinction.”
I am too, and yes there is a big distinction.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:55 pm
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:51 pm
you don’t sleep with me. You aren’t my mom.
um, Fred…
+++++++++++++++++++
Dude. Only you would make that connection…………
But then she WAS from West Virginia where the family trees have no branches.
BTW I saw your punny remark downstairs. Classic. But you were right, it’s time to moooove on……….
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
12:56 pm
“Especially if you can use the mass lame stream media to shift the blame from you to the republicans. Good job of convincing those morons on the east coast, west coast, and northern US that the GOP had the gun.”
Wow. Everybody’s stoopit but willie…
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
12:57 pm
I got a feeling the referee’s about to go into the replay booth…
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
12:58 pm
Jays article should have the background music to “Skip a rope”.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
12:58 pm
“Alabama is a minor league sports state. They dont even have any professional teams.
In fact Alabama football is about all they have to be proud of.
Sad really.”
Naw. What’s really said is someone so shallow that they base their opinion of a state on whether or not it has pro sports franchises. I guess that means Hawaii really sucks. As well as about half the other states out there just because they don’t have a big population center to support a pro stick and ball team.
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
12:58 pm
Fred – 12:25 “act like a person with brains and wit”
Where did you cut and paste that from?
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
12:59 pm
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
12:56 pm
Now, not everybody!
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:59 pm
Wow. Everybody’s stoopit but willie…
Not everybody, but over half the US population lives within 50 miles of the coast, apparently. Whole lotta “morons,” however you slice it, according to willie.
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
1:00 pm
“the reality of conservatives in government beginning with the Reagan Revolution of 1980: Republicans are for tax cuts because they are popular and win elections, so they created a nonsensical supply side economic model that has never done anything but consolidate wealth in a small minority while leading to massive stock market crashes (1987, 2008), economic crises (savings and loans, home mortgages) and calamitous recessions (1992, 2009).
And to sell their idea of fiscal responsibility, they promise huge cuts in spending…except when in power they have consistently kept spending on the same level of their Democratic counterparts, focusing more on their ideological pet projects (defense) while giving lip service to “cutting waste” when everybody knows the budget is dominated by defense, social security, and medicare, which would have to be touched for any serious spending cuts.
The problem with these new Tea Party conservatives in Congress is they were raised on the Reagan propaganda and actually believe it to be an ideology, rather that the campaign sales pitch it really is.”
anonymous
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
1:01 pm
Hey Fred,
Saw talk of Scotch Bonnets earlier.
If you like hot wings, I did some on Monday basted with a Caribbean Scotch Bonnet hot sauce on the egg that were really good.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:01 pm
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
12:58 pm
Fred – 12:25 “act like a person with brains and wit”
Where did you cut and paste that from?
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Look at that. Who else here has stalkers from both the far right AND the far left? Baptists AND Atheists. I’m a Uniter. I unit the weirdo’s in their hatred of me. An equal opportunity offender.
Just goes to show that stupid isn’t limited to either the left OR the right. It’s universal.
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
1:03 pm
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
1:00 pm
Horse pucky! That is liberal masturbation.
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
1:04 pm
“Cons, when you trash Obama and the Democrats for trying to be adult and sensible, this image of you comes to mind:”
Indiglo,
The fact that you chose that picture reflects the same about you.
Gale
January 2nd, 2013
1:04 pm
A pullout on CNN states that a paycheck reduction due to the tax change is going to be tough to explain to workers. Really? Where have those workers been for several months? I guess it explains why so many idiots keep getting re-elected. People do not pay attention to anything those elected officials actually do.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:05 pm
Doom — “Naw. What’s really said is someone so shallow that they base their opinion of a state on whether or not it has pro sports franchises. I guess that means Hawaii really sucks.”
No pro teams, but plenty of sports and outdoor activities to watch and take part in.
All kinds of ball gets played at UH, both men’s and women’s sports, and tickets are cheap.
Plenty of pickup leagues all over Oahu. There’s also league rugby, if that’s your thing.
Kite aerobatics down at Kapiolani Park most days.
Hiking, ranging from smooth and easy to INTENSE.
No sumo, but you can catch the Japanese tournament highlights six times a year on local TV channels.
And I don’t need to tell you about the swimming, diving, surfing, sailboarding and fishing out there.
Yeah, they don’t have any pro sports in Hawaii, but they’re not hurting.
F. Sinkwich
January 2nd, 2013
1:06 pm
Alas, to suffer fools is a burden I must reluctantly bear. I response to popular demand, I offer the following as a partial list of the “free stuff” Obamatrons voted to recieved last November:
Healthcare
College
Food
Retirement
Cell phones
Gas
Welfare
Housing
Rubbers
Pills
Etc.
All funded by “someone else,” of course.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:06 pm
Betty: My “spice” tongue cooled down a little after my wife got preggers. She went from loving fiery to mild. We have never really recovered. I eat stuff hotter than most (I love Korean food and it’s hot), but scotch bonnets may be a bit too much for me lol.
I finally did some wings on the egg a couple of months ago. I was surprised it took so long, but DAMN were they good. Naked and sauced.
If you are ever up this way, stop off at the Egg store (corporate HQ), it’s worth the visit. The manager of the store, Terry, is awesome and their corporate chef is also in there quite often. Plus if you go near lunch time they are almost always cooking something and they love to share.
Steve
January 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
Williebkind? Horsepucky? Is that what you learned in hillbilly debate class? Nice comeback, you really got me.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
F. Sinkwich
January 2nd, 2013
1:06 pm
Alas, to suffer fools is a burden I must reluctantly bear. I response to popular demand, I offer the following as a partial list of the “free stuff” Obamatrons voted to recieved last November:
Healthcare
College
Food
Retirement
Cell phones
Gas
Welfare
Housing
Rubbers
Pills
Etc.
All funded by “someone else,” of course.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Your mom would wash your mouth out with soap for telling such lies if she were still alive. Shame on you.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
willie — “Horse pucky! That is liberal masturbation.”
Sorry, Willie.
Reagan did the same thing that Obama’s doing now — massive deficit spending in order to jump-start the economy. It’s a matter of historical record.
In fact, some of Reagan’s economic advisers have been speaking out lately, pointing out that Obama’s doing JUST what they told Reagan he should do 30 years ago.
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
1:07 pm
Anyone that hates on the state of Alabama about sports is either jealous or naïve.
and I’m a UGA fan.
josef
January 2nd, 2013
1:08 pm
FRED
Do tell!
So, now you’re EOO? Equal Opportunity Offender? Like EOI, it’s an elite clique…
saywhat?
January 2nd, 2013
1:08 pm
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/01/washington-celebrates-solving-totally-unnecessary-crisis-they-created.html
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:09 pm
“It’s not the expression to which I point your attention. It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.”
Ah. Well, I didn’t mean to appear to care only about the abuses of liberals. I have admitted my own and have pointed out some of “cons” to Jay from time to time. I think it is fair to say that there are not a great number of posters (on the right or left) here that are either willing or able to engage in intelligent and reasonable debate. So most of these wind up simply posting gross generalizations, denunciations, ridicule, personal attacks and so on. This blog is sometimes little more than a cesspool.
Jay is a pretty good columnist (as, I think, is Kyle). I have accused him of being a propagandist more than one (because I really believe he plays that role as a “liberal” blogger), but at least – once one gets past the “rah, rah” stuff, one can debate with his arguments (or better, the assumptions underlying his arguments). He has reasons and evidence for what he believes. Good enough. That is what we should all bring to the table, including me.
For the record, I will admit that the presidential polls did not prove to be a distortion of reality. I am still not convinced that polling can really be all that accurate given the serious challenges it faces with a rapidly evolving telephone technology. And I am sure there are alternate explanations for why they appeared to be accurate this time. If the number of respondents to polls was more like 40% than less than 9%, I would feel much better in relying upon them.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:09 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “I offer the following as a partial list of the “free stuff” Obamatrons voted to recieved last November:
Healthcare
College
Food
Retirement
Cell phones
Gas
Welfare
Housing
Rubbers
Pills
Etc.”
Huh.
I didn’t see one bit of that on the ballot I marked.
I think you’re making this all up, Fishy.
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
1:09 pm
Speaking of Scotch Bonnets, has Kamchak been on at all today?
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:10 pm
I’m flattered that libs love the B O O M.
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
1:12 pm
“All kinds of ball gets played at UH, both men’s and women’s sports, and tickets are cheap”
Put the “rainbow” back in “rainbow warriors”!
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:13 pm
LOL Brocephus, you think his stomach or “colon” exploded after his triple scotch bonnet chicken?
http://tinyurl.com/b622zbh
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 2nd, 2013
1:13 pm
SoCo/Bro
I’m here, just don’t have much to say on this topic. The chicken turned out just fine and I’m still in one piece. I probably shoulda cut out that third scotch bonnet, though….
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm
“Alas, to suffer fools is a burden I must reluctantly bear.”
Well one does have to look in the mirror in order to shave, comb hair, etc.
Madmax
January 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm
“53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme.”
That’s just about the same # who voted for Obama and slightly more than the number of people that don’t pay federal income taxes. Hmmmm – I wonder if there is a correlation?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:15 pm
Towncrier — “Ah. Well, I didn’t mean to appear to care only about the abuses of liberals.”
FWIW, when you appear to be trying to get someone thrown off the blog for assorted ‘abuses,’ then yes, you do give the appearance of only being concerned about the ‘abuses’ of that poster’s apparent side.
Calling someone out’s one thing, but when you seem to be trying to engineer their suspension, that’s another thing entirely.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm
Doom — “I’m flattered that libs love the B O O M.”
Trainwrecks do draw crowds, you know.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm
“All that hemming and hawing, why didn’t he come out and say Fred was mean to him? Instead there’s this passive-aggressive whining about “rules are needed” and “surely you must be ashamed of the comments here” before we get to the REAL problem…”Fred was mean to me!”
Because Fred wasn’t the only one I was talking about. I focused in on him since he interjected himself into a dialogue I am wanting to have with Jay. You complained to the high heavens about what TD said to you and even implied he would get banned for it. So what, exactly, is your point? It seems – correct me if I am wrong – to be simply to belittle my call for guidance on what Jay terms “civil” exchange here.
Erwin's cat
January 2nd, 2013
1:18 pm
it is my understanding, that with the R’s unwillingness to compromise…taxes were raised and spending was held steady
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:18 pm
R. Kcin — “Put the “rainbow” back in “rainbow warriors”!
They run hot and cold about that out there. Did they change it *again?*
RF
January 2nd, 2013
1:18 pm
“It ain’t all that hard to do a simple google search RF. Maybe you can copy that link and send it to all those families you pretend to care about”
Dude, I’ve read all about it, many times. IF the families can afford the premiums, it’s not bad. Problem is, and you can’t refute this no matter how hard you try, is that the working poor in this country often can’t afford the premiums even if they qualify. I also have kids on Medicare, which has limited coverage when you can find a doctor that accepts it at the current rate it pays. My two sons were on it when I had temporary custody, so I know how that works from personal experience. It’s hard as hell to get, and coverages change often, so it and Peach Care are not panaceas. They also don’t cover the adults who are working and make too much to qualify. It’s a shame that in a country as great as our own that millions of hard working citizens, born and raised here, can’t get any kind of medical coverage. And it’s an even greater shame that so many like you sit in judgment of them and look down on them as if somehow you are more American than they are while they continue to work as hard or harder than you do for what little they have. God will judge us for our arrogance in thinking that only the elect few deserve the benefits of living in this country. Don’t forget- those folks vote too, and handed your kind a well-deserved election butt kicking. Get the message or get out.
How sad and lonely it is becoming to be so selfish and narrow minded. Must be scary for you to realize you are now in the minority and the country is still standing.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:19 pm
“Reagan did the same thing that Obama’s doing now — massive deficit spending in order to jump-start the economy. It’s a matter of historical record.”
Exactly! Which is why we see the same 7% economic growth under Obama as we had under Reagan- KD And which is why we also experienced 16.1 million net new jobs under Reagan where as we are net how many jobs under Obama??? Is the net jobs number even positive yet?
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
1:19 pm
Kam
I was worried about you. I figured that third one would be kinda dangerous. Glad to know you’re ok.
Jay
January 2nd, 2013
1:19 pm
“Look at that. Who else here has stalkers from both the far right AND the far left? Baptists AND Atheists. I’m a Uniter. I unit the weirdo’s in their hatred of me. An equal opportunity offender.
Just goes to show that stupid isn’t limited to either the left OR the right. It’s universal.”
So Fred, your definition of “stupid” is anyone who disagrees with you?
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm
Fred
Had that happened, Kam would have ended up burning down half the East Coast.
josef
January 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm
THULSA
Have you been able to recall the name of that Argentine film with the overheard conversation you were mentioning? I really would like to see it…
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:20 pm
Towncrier — “call for guidance on what Jay terms “civil” exchange here.”
Seems to me like Jay gives folks a warning (in most cases) if they stray outside his boundaries. Is that not working for you for some reason?
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
And…. The Ref has came from the review booth!!!
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
So what, exactly, is your point?
That your call for more guidance was really about your personal irritation with other posters. There’s nothing wrong with that, just say so straight up instead of kicking the can around like you’re a member of Congress.
Okay, I apologize for that last bit of name-calling, comparing someone to a member of Congress should be an automatic ban.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
Doom — “Exactly!”
Appreciate your agreement on that point, Doom.
Peadawg
January 2nd, 2013
1:21 pm
“it is my understanding, that with the R’s unwillingness to compromise”
What do you call raising tax on people making over $400k? I’ll call that a compromise on the GOP’s part.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:22 pm
“Calling someone out’s one thing, but when you seem to be trying to engineer their suspension, that’s another thing entirely.”
I cannot “engineer” anyone’s “suspension” if there are no clear guidelines, is that not so? Wouldn’t that be a kind of superstitious behavior – trying this thing then that to see if you can get the desired result? I don’t wish for anyone to be banned. I want to see if I can’t help change the environment here. And is doesn’t seem as though you would be opposed to that. Correct me if wrong on that point.
josef
January 2nd, 2013
1:22 pm
Big Daddy…
You might want to be judicious in picking on Freddie, just a friendly piece of advice…
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
1:22 pm
“They run hot and cold about that out there. Did they change it *again?*”
I was jarred a bit when I watched a “Warriors” game a few weeks ago – I can guess the reason they lost the “rainbow,” but “Warriors” should be above that.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:22 pm
“Trainwrecks do draw crowds, you know.”
Not really. They draw onlookers who got nothing better to do. Try again.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:22 pm
Jay
January 2nd, 2013
1:19 pm
“Look at that. Who else here has stalkers from both the far right AND the far left? Baptists AND Atheists. I’m a Uniter. I unit the weirdo’s in their hatred of me. An equal opportunity offender.
Just goes to show that stupid isn’t limited to either the left OR the right. It’s universal.”
So Fred, your definition of “stupid” is anyone who disagrees with you?
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Nope.
And thus ends another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
RF
January 2nd, 2013
1:23 pm
“And I am sure there are alternate explanations for why they appeared to be accurate this time.”
Yeah, Karl just KNEW he had it right…but then he didn’t and got spanked on live TV for it. Yeah, those polls just couldn’t have really reflected what the majority of Americans thought. Come on, when are you guys going to accept that a lot of folks just aren’t buying what you’re selling and see how wrong it is?
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
1:23 pm
“I’m flattered that libs love the B O O M.”
Doom,
I think they like the DOOMSTRIKE a lot as well!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 2nd, 2013
1:23 pm
JHM, I think TC is asking because it is clear that while Jay was on vacation, lines were crossed by some.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:23 pm
“Okay, I apologize for that last bit of name-calling, comparing someone to a member of Congress should be an automatic ban.”
That was DEEPLY insulting, AG. You do know how to hurt a guy.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 2nd, 2013
1:25 pm
Sandy Boehner SHEETZ!
getalife
January 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
We are entering the sane zone in American politics so say goodbye to the twilight zone.
Cue the creepy music.
Erwin's cat
January 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
What do you call raising tax on people making over $400k?
sarcasm
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
josef,
The one about the woman who gets a dose of revenge on her “dirty war” rapist/torturer I think is called the salton sea or something like that. The other one about the author was a better movie but dang if I can’t remember the name of it. If I go on netflix I can find it for you later tonight. I’ll look for it later. That one had several plots/subplots that all came together at the end of the flick.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
1:26 pm
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:16 pm
“All that hemming and hawing, why didn’t he come out and say Fred was mean to him? Instead there’s this passive-aggressive whining about “rules are needed” and “surely you must be ashamed of the comments here” before we get to the REAL problem…”Fred was mean to me!”
Because Fred wasn’t the only one I was talking about. I focused in on him since he interjected himself into a dialogue I am wanting to have with Jay. You complained to the high heavens about what TD said to you and even implied he would get banned for it. So what, exactly, is your point? It seems – correct me if I am wrong – to be simply to belittle my call for guidance on what Jay terms “civil” exchange here.
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Had you wanted it to remain PRIVATE you could have emailed Jay. You do know about email yes? I thought so.
Nope, you WANTED it to be public. A good fainting couch, martyr scene NEEDS an audience. What;’s the point of being a drama queen if no one gets to see it?
I never do the drama queen thing in private, what a waste that would be………. it’s like cussing out the boos in the privacy of your car on the way home AFTER being fired. You don’t get your money’s worth.
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
1:27 pm
That was DEEPLY insulting, AG. You do know how to hurt a guy.
Don’t take it personally…I’m still mad at Doom and felt I had to passive-aggressively one-up his 12:44.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:27 pm
“Come on, when are you guys going to accept that a lot of folks just aren’t buying what you’re selling and see how wrong it is?”
I am not selling anything at this point. But I have linked to many articles in the past about the increasing problems there are with polling. Look into it and what pollsters are saying about that difficulty.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:28 pm
Towncrier — “I cannot “engineer” anyone’s “suspension” if there are no clear guidelines, is that not so?”
A lack of clear guidelines doesn’t stop you from *trying* to do anything. It simply means that you lack clear guidelines to accomplish it, if that’s what you’re trying to do.
“Wouldn’t that be a kind of superstitious behavior – trying this thing then that to see if you can get the desired result?”
Again, a lack of guidelines doesn’t prevent anything.
“I don’t wish for anyone to be banned. I want to see if I can’t help change the environment here. And is doesn’t seem as though you would be opposed to that.”
If I believed that’s what you were *actually* trying to do. Right now, I’m not convinced.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:29 pm
Doom — “Not really.”
Denied.
Jay
January 2nd, 2013
1:29 pm
Thulsa, that was “Death and the Maiden,” with Sigourney Weaver and Ben Kingsley.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:30 pm
KUTGF — “JHM, I think TC is asking because it is clear that while Jay was on vacation, lines were crossed by some.”
On both sides.
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
1:31 pm
” Whole lotta “morons,” however you slice it, according to willie.”
Yep that is right! A whole lot of morons!
barking frog
January 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm
Towncrier
This blog is sometimes little more than a cesspool.
……………………………………………………………………….
If you find yourself floating here you might want to check your smell
but I will say you contribute to the effluvium as you can say less with
more words than almost anyone else on the blog if you don’t count
cut and paste. As a conservative you can always use the Romney
philosophy of self deportation and take Erwin’s cat with you.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm
Moonbat betty,
I think they dread using Doom in Doomstrike. But they’re going to have to get used to it since that will be my new calling card.
BTW congrats on the dawg victory.
SEC!!!
SEC!!!
SEC!!!
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
1:32 pm
F. Sinkwich – 1:06
Oh, you mean THAT “free stuff”.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:36 pm
“Thulsa, that was “Death and the Maiden,” with Sigourney Weaver and Ben Kingsley.”
Yep. That was it. I thought it might have been Ben Kingsley or a guy that reminded me of him. But hell I didn’t remember the woman as being Sigourney Weaver. Either she’s getting old or I am. Or both.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
1:36 pm
“A lack of clear guidelines doesn’t stop you from *trying* to do anything. It simply means that you lack clear guidelines to accomplish it, if that’s what you’re trying to do.”
Engineering is based upon known rules. I am one; I know. Perhaps you should have used a different word then. In any case, my plan was to see what guidelines Jay would lay down (so we all know) and THEN call people on them in the FUTURE. I wasn’t planning on saying a thing about the past week. But Jay was virtually unresponsive so, not wanting to abandon a reasonably good local blog for a national one, I thought I might try to get him to think about it. Any guidelines (as with laws) he might come up with would not be retroactive. In that case, I would probably get a suspension.
williebkind
January 2nd, 2013
1:38 pm
“BTW congrats on the dawg victory.
SEC!!!”
Now Doom, you know college is about edumacation. But I do loves me some Dawgs and SEC.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
Towncrier — “Engineering is based upon known rules. I am one; I know. Perhaps you should have used a different word then.”
A fair point. Mea culpa on that.
redneckbluedog
January 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
I woke up this morning and it is just like Groundhog Day, 1994….Slow economy, fairer tax policy, and a recalcitrant Congress. Then it was Newt, now it’s Grover and John.
I am very bullish, regardless of the sequester or even the likely debt default. And maybe this President will keep it in his drawers…
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
“Don’t take it personally…I’m still mad at Doom and felt I had to passive-aggressively one-up his 12:44.”
Aquagirl,
You have my sincerest apology for being an assclown to you.
Ben Shockley
January 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
Jay Bookman and his kook-lib buddies chastising House Republicans for threatening to return us to the Clinton tax rates and Clinton spending levels, which, according to the same small liberal minds, gave us the best economy of our lifetime back in 1992-2000.
You really can’t make this stuff up.
Chris Weed
January 2nd, 2013
1:39 pm
Both parties are to blame here, not just the GOP. This is where my problem with Mr. Bookman is, he refuses to aknowledge that the Demorcats are just as bad. Raiding the wealthy will not bring ecomnomic prosperity. Taxes leveraged on a business will be passed on to consumers which makes our bread and butter more expensive. When there is not enough money coming in from the wealthy, then the middle class will pay more to support the looting class.
The way to fix our economy is modest, across the board tax increases, draconian goverment spending cuts (federal & state level), revisiting all entitlements, cutting the looter class and cutting regulations. Not one party will do anything because they are all afraid of the next election and loosing power. As a superpower nation, we are doomed, maybe as a whole nation as well.
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
1:40 pm
Fred – 1:01
Someday, you will finish your homeschooling(maybe) and no longer live with mommie and daddie.
Then it will be clear(maybe) that you’re the LAST person I or anyone else here would stalk.
For now, dream on, child.