Another painful step in the re-education of House GOP
Given all the drama, hand-wringing and arm-twisting involved, you might think that the legislation approved last night by the House represents an achievement of historic importance.
It does not.
Seldom has so much intrigue been committed to such small effect. The bill sidesteps the so-called “fiscal cliff,” but it does so by accomplishing little and resolving nothing. It merely means that two months from now, the same set of players will re-enact this same sad-sack spectacle, as the federal government lurches from crisis to crisis like some banana republic that is incapable of ruling itself.
Yet as painful and as ugly as the process might be, it is also sadly necessary. The mental, emotional and political recalibration required when unrealistic ideology finally runs head on into reality does not happen quickly or easily. It is, as they say, a process rather than an event, and in this case the process will be drawn out, public and politically bloody.
Even after this latest defeat, congressional Republicans continue to tell themselves that in the next confrontation, this time over the debt-limit ceiling, they will finally have “leverage” they need over President Obama and Senate Democrats. They seem to believe that by threatening to push the country into default on its debt — a step with economy-wrecking consequences likely to last a generation — they will be able to rally the American people to their cause.
I don’t believe things works like that. To the contrary, the strategy reeks of desperation. In a poll taken last month by CNN, 53 percent of Americans already said that they consider the policies of the GOP to be too extreme. That’s an extraordinarily high number — just 37 percent said the same about Democrats, for example. It’s also telling that in 2010, before Republicans won control of the House, just 36 percent of Americans considered the party’s policies too extreme.
The last two years, in other words, have proved disastrous for the party’s reputation, particularly among moderates and independents. They are no longer deemed responsible by a growing number of American citizens. In such a political setting, holding a pistol to the temple of the U.S. economy and threatening to pull the trigger unless you get your way would seem a less-than-sterling means of winning friends and influencing people.
– Jay Bookman
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Ben The Independent
January 2nd, 2013
11:50 am
Regarding the “GOP too extreme” poll; I wonder what a poll about the President’s “spending and climbing debt” would reveal. Oh, also have Fox News do the polling.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
USinUK – not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
11:47 am
“Are you really THAT stupid RB? ”
yes.
this has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions.
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USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
“not to be mistaken for falafal, or loofah.”
or a balaklava …
or balalaika (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHD5nd3QLTg)
Adam
January 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
But after all the conservative complaints about the 47 percent not paying their fair share, they suddenly become champions of that 47 percent?
After all the talk about entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security being unsustainable, they want to make those programs even LESS sustainable by cutting the taxes that support them?
These were my thoughts as well, Jay
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
“I seriously doubt that President Gore would have gotten us involved in Iraq. At all.”
You may be right. But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan. And I don’t know how much he would have wanted to invest in anti-global warming strategies (even though, hypocritically the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions upon millions in the “green energy” area). He is a bit loony in some points, if you ask me. And I think he, like so many politicians, is an out and out hypocrite.
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
11:51 am
That tax reduction was always supposed to be temporary, and personally, I’m happy that it was ended.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say “happy,” but I was always queasy about using that particular revenue stream as a stimulus.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 2nd, 2013
11:52 am
If we become Greek Cookie Monsters, can we still eat girl scout cookies? Perhaps we can get some government girl scout cookies? I just hope they don’t have olives in everything.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
11:52 am
“Yeah that was kinda of a stupid question wasn’t it?”
well … naive, anyway …
joe
January 2nd, 2013
11:52 am
The GOP will have the last laugh, once obama and his loony lib cronies ruin the economy by spending us to oblivion. This “deal” isn’t a deal at all…it raised taxes by $41 for every $1 in spending cuts. Yeah, that’ll get us back on track…not. Over the next few years, middle class will pay $1,000 more in taxes, unemployment will be upwards of 10%, small businesses will close due to obozocare and the GOP will say, told you so.
F. Sinkwich
January 2nd, 2013
11:53 am
“Please give a list of what is free and how would one obtain these items.”
To suffer ignorant fools is not a burden I wish to shoulder.
But thanks for asking.
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
January 2nd, 2013
11:53 am
FRED,
I wasn’t limiting my 80% comment to top 2%…IMO the top tax payers are those above 75K or so in income. This group pays 70% of taxes and that number is trending up the past 30 years…
Also, the top 1% pay as much as bottom 95%…if you want to refer to assets held, we should tax assets as well.
My point is your side is all out of real ideas to be honest or work toward getting us headed toward and solution to improve our financial condition…you got your paltry increases from rich (which I support)what is the next grand plan?
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/top-1-of-american-taxpayers-pay-almost-as-much-in-taxes-as-bottom-95-and-half-of-that-group-paid-nothing-in-2010/
Adam
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
Fred: I just spent my time elsewhere for a while. The holidays and post election stuff, you know. Making sure I didn’t completely abdicate other responsibilities in my life just to remind people here of how stupid they were to be in the bubble. The election results were painful enough and I took pity.
But I just couldn’t resist getting on here to tout the new OBAMA TAX CUTS.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
“I can tell you that Jay has a very low tolerance for any kind of slight directed at people’s family members, even when clearly posted in jest. (I’m fine with that, even thought it’s meant some of my stuff has been yanked as a result.)”
Well, why do that after the fact, instead of laying out a few clear guidelines before hand so everyone knows what the rules of the game are?
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
What dem damn DEMS did to the Republicans in 2012…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENuZHnQlqX0
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
Most important, Washington Republicans wanted the payroll tax cut to end. They fought the cut in the first place, and have been fighting to end it ever since it passed.
Exactly right. Those taxes affect everybody especially the poor.
Thats why they were all for them ending.
But they will fight taxes on millionaires to the death.
Very telling where their priorities are.
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
or a balaklava …
Confession time:
1) I’ve got a couple of those. and
2) I’ve deliberately referred to it as a “baklava” when donning in the cold, just to irritate Mrs. sfd.
(we both love the honey-yummy goodness of that Greek treat.)
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
“That is my point. I was trying to bait a clear response from Jay, not catch him (as you suppose) in some kind of “semantic trap”.”
TC – Thanks for explaining. I appreciate your clear and well-articulated position, and agree.
“Your taste in music is excellent. It exactly coincides with my own!” – King Henry VIII, A Man for All Seasons
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
Ben, Independent — “Regarding the “GOP too extreme” poll; I wonder what a poll about the President’s “spending and climbing debt” would reveal. Oh, also have Fox News do the polling.”
Why not just have them make up their “unskewed” figures?
Oh, wait, that was probably what you had in mind already.
Peadawg
January 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
DebbieDoRight – Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
11:54 am
No joke, when you said “What dem damn DEMS did to the Republicans in 2012…..” that video was the FIRST thing I thought of.
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
To suffer ignorant fools is not a burden I wish to shoulder.
But thanks for asking.
Sinkwich is keeping his cookie stash hidden.
Doggone/GA
January 2nd, 2013
11:55 am
“The GOP will have the last laugh”
Filed in the same trashcan as the Romney-will-win-in-a-landslide predictions.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
11:56 am
Town Crier: He is a bit loony in some points, if you ask me.
In SOME points? LOL I think he’s nuttier than a fruit cake. Even a Calvados Fruitcake……….
http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/calvados-fruitcake/
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
11:56 am
“To suffer ignorant fools is not a burden I wish to shoulder.”
in other words … you got nuttin.
as usual.
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
11:56 am
Off subject :
Does anyone know WHEN teenagers actually get up? It’s almost noon and my stepsons are STILL sleeping. At first i thought something was wrong so i went in and checked on them, but there’s nothing wrong, they’re just STILL sleeping!
Do teenagers have some sort of sleeping sickness when they’re that age or something?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
11:57 am
The rich had their taxes raised and Capital gains taxes went up ( that means you Mitt Romney).
While taxes on middle class and poor stayed the same.
Obama whipped the GOP again and pretty much got everything he wanted.
Jackie
January 2nd, 2013
11:57 am
@Sinkwich
You are very adept at using pejoratives and rhetoric.
When asked to support your specious hypothesis, you suddenly become brain-dead.
Is that “list of free stuff” not available to you?
It appears that ignorance and fools are terms that can best be ascribed to someone like yourself.
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
11:57 am
But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan.
Agreed. I’d like to think that a President Al Gore would’ve turned this into a years-long occupation, but who knows. It’s never easy for a Commander-in-Chief to tell his generals it’s time to declare victory and leave.
[...] the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions [...]
and now you’re just deflecturbating.
paulo977
January 2nd, 2013
11:57 am
RF
re ;11.21 am post …..Very well articulated ! …
Are we socialists ? If we are I am darn proud to be one!!!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
“Please give a list of what is free and how would one obtain these items.”
Notice he didn’t give you a list. Because he doesn’t have one.
He is just one of these types that really doesn’t know whats going on. He just repeats what he hears others say if it fits his point of view.
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
Peadawg did you see that game?!
That game and the Georgia game were the best two games of yesterday! Hell probably all year!
I should’ve taped it…..hopefully ESPN will replay the game sometime in March when we’re all suffering from football withdrawal!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
Towncrier — “You may be right. But I think we still would have gone into Afghanistan.”
For the record, I have never objected to President Bush sending our troops into Afghanistan. FWIW, I think he should have been *more* aggressive in getting troops in there ASAP, particularly due to the fact that OBL was *there* in the first place.
“And I don’t know how much he would have wanted to invest in anti-global warming strategies (even though, hypocritically the thermal “footprint” of his house huge mansion is astounding and he has made millions upon millions in the “green energy” area). He is a bit loony in some points, if you ask me. And I think he, like so many politicians, is an out and out hypocrite.”
I don’t see how you can call him a “hypocrite” when he’s never argued against energy consumption. He’s strongly argued to reduce your *carbon footprint,* and to that end, he’s purchased offsetting carbon credits from his power company for several years.
I think you’re mistaken on what his position is, was and has always been — and that’s reducing *carbon emissions,* not reducing power consumption.
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
11:58 am
Do teenagers have some sort of sleeping sickness when they’re that age or something?
I seem to recall being able to find absurd reasons to stay up past 3, 4am at that age, and so it was easy-peasy to sleep past noon. Might have something to do with avoiding grownups during grownups’ waking hours?
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
11:59 am
Fred
Ok, I figured somebody had put that one over the airwaves with the frequency that it’s being battered around here.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
11:59 am
Fred – 11:56 – and that fruitcake is … indeed … nutty!!
btw – posted an OUTSTANDING pasta dish this morning !
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
11:59 am
My point is your side is all out of real ideas to be honest or work toward getting us headed toward and solution to improve our financial condition…you got your paltry increases from rich (which I support)what is the next grand plan?
My side? Which side pray tell is that? I’m a damn independent. I think we need to cut the hell out of spending INCLUDING entitlements AND the military AND raise the taxes.
Once again you revealed yourself to truly be a Republican posing as an “independent.” You have the mantra. Anyone who doesn’t walk lockstep with the FOXBOTS and talk show hosts is “librul” or “your side.”
Thanks for playing though.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:00 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “To suffer ignorant fools is not a burden I wish to shoulder.”
Yes, but we put up with you being here, so the least you can do is return the favor.
Please, regale us with your list.
Matti
January 2nd, 2013
12:00 pm
Happy New Year!
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
12:00 pm
Do teenagers have some sort of sleeping sickness when they’re that age or something?
Yes. Did you just notice this phenomenon?
paulo977
January 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
DDR ……My grandson is 20 and STILL does what they are doing ..Hang on , it is a bumpy ride !!!
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
Well, why do that after the fact, instead of laying out a few clear guidelines before hand so everyone knows what the rules of the game are?
A fine upstanding pillar of the church such as yourself needs guidelines so you know what you can and can not post? How odd………..
Well as you CAN attest, lies are allowed………..
stands for decibels
January 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
oy.
“I’d like to think that a President Al Gore would’n’t have turned this into a years-long occupation”, I meant to post.
GT
January 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
The left kept trying to tell the cons, with no real help from the neutral press, that they were losing the polling, but the cons kept telling the country the information was wrong. Never has there ever been a more defining moment of schooling this country on who speaks the truth and understands the nation than this election, yet no one in the south is impressed. They still tune into Rush like old Nazis in Germany still thinking they are in the game. The very definition of the conservative moment in this fast moving generation should lead us to realize they are not conditioned to lead. It is like a leather helmet on a football field and a 180 lb tackle talking about kicking some rear end, it is almost to foolish to watch.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
12:01 pm
“In SOME points? LOL I think he’s nuttier than a fruit cake.”
I am not convinced one can be VP and a thorough-going nutcase. And I really like a few things he said in his campaign for the presidency – like making finding a true alternate energy resource as important as going to the moon was and establishing a rainy day fund for emergencies.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
January 2nd, 2013
12:02 pm
Happy NEW YEAR! Grover / Con Losers… LOL
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
But after all the conservative complaints about the 47 percent not paying their fair share, they suddenly become champions of that 47 percent?
The GOP had the perfect opportunity to do something about that 47% if they were really so effin’ angry about people not paying federal income taxes. They simply had to do nothing, let the tax rates reset to their last permanent level, and the 47% would have dropped down as more people would have a net tax liability at the end of the year.
Just like anything else, politicians screw up everything they get their hands on.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
January 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
“Please give a list of what is free and how would one obtain these items.”
For starters, you can get a free tax payer funded stadium. To obtain one, simply purchase the professional sports franchise of your desires. For more details see Marlins, Miami.
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
12:03 pm
“Do teenagers have some sort of sleeping sickness when they’re that age or something?”
Yes – and it lasts into grad school…
Bill Orvis White
January 2nd, 2013
12:04 pm
First off, that poll is bogus. Those folks usually ask way too many Socialist-Democrat party members what they’re thinking. Now, this deal is bogus. The few rightful Republicans who stood up to these Marxists and yelled, “Nyet!” need to stay in Congress. Anyone from either party who went along with this rotten egg deal NEEDS TO BE IMMEDIATELY FIRED! The plan NEEDS TO BE simple. Simply slice taxe$ on all income achievers, end entitlements including the illegal ObamaCare “program,” Social Insecurity, Mediscare, Mediraid and kill off the Dept. of Miseducation, and the Environmental Pansy-Ass agency. Fire all unneeded government workers and force them to learn how to do real work for private road contractors to build up King Hussein Obama’s crumbling national infrastructure. Finally, this once-free nation needs a real man in the Oval Office. Impeach and quickly remove King Hussein Obama and place a Tea Party Republican and His administration in our top offices along with a Tea Party Republican Congress. This is possible, if you McFlys out there get your heads out of the sand and start working for REAL CHANGE! Amen, Bill
Matti
January 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
DDR @ 11:56,
Teen sleeping is normal. They’re still growing and that only happens while the body is asleep. Also, the shift in circadian rhythm is completely normal. They’re wired to stay up later at night and sleep later. It’s fine. If you have chores for them, just wait ’till they get up, fill their bellies, and then give them the list as a pre-condition to going anywhere or doing anything fun. They should be rested, capable, and more efficient. No worries!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
I also find it astonishing that our debt is now such a big deal to Republicans.
Most of our debt has been run up during Republican administrations and I can almost guarantee you if they were in power right now we would be told that its not a big deal.
Our debt and deficits only matter when Democrats are in power.
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
Why not just have them make up their “unskewed” figures? Oh, wait, that was probably what you had in mind already
Well duh!
Adam
January 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
“The GOP will have the last laugh”
Filed in the same trashcan as the Romney-will-win-in-a-landslide predictions.
Peadawg
January 2nd, 2013
12:05 pm
“Peadawg did you see that game?!”
I was watching the Ga game and was flipping to the SC game during the commercials. I missed the hit but I’ve seen a dozen replays.
I’m already looking forward to UGA at Clemson to start the season.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:06 pm
USinUK: I get email notifications lol. I tried to post a comment but for some reason my wordpress ID isn’t working. It’s like I never had one. I know I did though because I used to post on Mary Elizabeth’s blog.
I have some suggestions for you about veggie meals. I’ll send them on when I get a chance. My wife and I did a semi vegetarian diet 15 years ago and I got a bunch of recipes. Even a couple of vegan recipes that are good.
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
12:06 pm
Thanks Matti! I really thought something was wrong with them! I was about to call a doctor.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 2nd, 2013
12:07 pm
First off, that poll is bogus.
Just like the ones that showed Obama winning.
You guys never learn.
Brosephus™
January 2nd, 2013
12:07 pm
My side? Which side pray tell is that? I’m a damn independent.
More like damn stubborn….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
January 2nd, 2013
12:08 pm
Fred – awesome! thanks – I look forward to receiving them!
tonight is mushroom, leek and barley risotto.
and, with that, I’m powering down!
night all!!!!
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
I’m already looking forward to UGA at Clemson to start the season.
Me too. I want revenge against Clemson. I hope DemDawgs make puppy chow outta those kittens.
Revenge for LSU!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
C. Grits — “You guys never learn.”
Mr. White is a well-known parody troll. Don’t let him get your blood up.
Regnad Kcin
January 2nd, 2013
12:09 pm
Gods, I love Orvis!
Aquagirl
January 2nd, 2013
12:10 pm
just wait ’till they get up, fill their bellies
If the sleeping thing is news, wait ’til she notices their rate of food consumption.
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
12:10 pm
“A fine upstanding pillar of the church such as yourself needs guidelines so you know what you can and can not post? How odd…”
So all of us know, Fred. In particular, you. I wasn’t going to name names, my friend, but I guess you couldn’t help but to implicate yourself.
I would recommend, Jay, that you look at some of Fred’s posts the past week or so. I find him to be mean-spirited and obnoxious a fair amount of the time and he seems to care little what I or you or anyone else thinks about his verbal diarrhea: he will insult and denigrate people as he sees fit, no one is going to stop him and he is always ready to justify his behavior on whatever grounds he can imagine (such as he is the voice of truth and will suffer the fires of hell rather than tell a lie – like that you or I are not stupid as “dog squeeze”). I mean, is this really the kind of public commentary you want associated with your column?
indigo
January 2nd, 2013
12:11 pm
F. Sinkwich – 11:53
In other words, when you talk about all the “free stuff”, you’re just making something up.
Did you not think you’d be called out on this?
what a country
January 2nd, 2013
12:13 pm
according to the congressional budget office this bill adds $4 trillion to the debt
DannyX
January 2nd, 2013
12:13 pm
Bill Orvis White- 2016
RB from Gwinnett
January 2nd, 2013
12:16 pm
RF, “and I’d urge you to study Peachcare benefits carefully before you spout off. Where does your authority on the program come from, pray tell?”
http://dch.georgia.gov/eligibility-criteria
It ain’t all that hard to do a simple google search RF. Maybe you can copy that link and send it to all those families you pretend to care about.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:17 pm
Towncrier — “I mean, is this really the kind of public commentary you want associated with your column?
B
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Reality
January 2nd, 2013
12:19 pm
If Georgia voters are frustrated with the federal government…. if Georgia voters are frustrated with the bickering in Congress…. if Georgia voters are frustrated with the House of Representatives unable to come up with a real solution…
You only have yourselves to blame. After all, Georgia voters continue to blindly vote for these idiot conservative “just say no” republicans that only look out for the most wealthy. It is YOUR fault. You voted for these idiots.
As a voter, YOU need to become truely informed about issues (and not by getting brain washed by FOX News). YOU need to consider what is best for our Country and our citizens (not just the most wealthy). YOU need to objectively cast your vote for the best candidate (and not just vote for an idiot because they are republican).
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
12:19 pm
“B
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LOL. Is that a yes?
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
Mick@10:54 am
With republican ideology, common sense is definitely not common
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Quit taking my name in vain
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:20 pm
Towncrier — “LOL. Is that a yes?”
Absolutely not.
Try turning your sarcasm detector all the way up and I think it should become more clear to you.
Matti
January 2nd, 2013
12:21 pm
“If the sleeping thing is news, wait ’til she notices their rate of food consumption.”
Just keep your hands and feet away from their mouths!
Don Abernethy
January 2nd, 2013
12:21 pm
Jay, the painful step will be when the spending of the liberals bankrupts our government. We will see how happy Obamanites are when the check is not in the mail.
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
12:23 pm
Thanks everyone — a little experience from the pros helps a lot!
Stands: I seem to recall being able to find absurd reasons to stay up past 3, 4am at that age, and so it was easy-peasy to sleep past noon. Might have something to do with avoiding grownups during grownups’ waking hours?
HA! Very funny stands!
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AqGirl: Yes. Did you just notice this phenomenon?
First time I’ve spent any REAL time with just them and me. Usually when they come visit it’s mostly when their dad is here and I’m usually at work. Since I’m working from home today, I noticed it; but I’ve never noticed it before. I can’t recall my mother allowing us to sleep past 8 a.m. — even on school holidays!
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Paulo: DDR ……My grandson is 20 and STILL does what they are doing ..Hang on , it is a bumpy ride !!!
YOU have a grandson Paulo!!
You don’t “type” like you’re over 40! 
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Reginald: Yes – and it lasts into grad school…
Mick
January 2nd, 2013
12:23 pm
orvis
Way to go bill, and a happy new year to you…keep hallucinating your thoughts for us, just remember that all the ills you imagine did not begin on january of 2009…forward!!!
Towncrier
January 2nd, 2013
12:24 pm
“Try turning your sarcasm detector all the way up and I think it should become more clear to you.”
I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.
DannyX
January 2nd, 2013
12:24 pm
“according to the congressional budget office this bill adds $4 trillion to the debt”
what a country, did you want the tax cuts to expire for everyone? Previous CBO projections didn’t include the Bush tax cuts because they were all due to expire.
If anything it just shows how crazy the Bush tax cuts were from the beginning.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:25 pm
I would recommend, Jay, that you look at some of Fred’s posts the past week or so. I find him to be mean-spirited and obnoxious a fair amount of the time and he seems to care little what I or you or anyone else thinks about his verbal diarrhea: he will insult and denigrate people as he sees fit, no one is going to stop him and he is always ready to justify his behavior on whatever grounds he can imagine (such as he is the voice of truth and will suffer the fires of hell rather than tell a lie – like that you or I are not stupid as “dog squeeze”). I mean, is this really the kind of public commentary you want associated with your column?
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In other words you are a control freak who wants the freedom to preach and tell lies but others aren’t allowed that freedom.
I find that syndrome often in Baptists. You really should try Kyles place. He allows the folks like you to post whatever crap they want and then protects them from the results.
You have freedom of choice. You can CHOSE to skip right over my posts big boy. Try that if you cant’ put on a pair of big boy pants and receive what you dish out.
Last I saw you don’t pay my bills, my salary and you don’t sleep with me. You aren’t my mom. When you get out ogf line trying to tell me like I’m your little boy or something what to do or how to post I certainly WILL tell you to bite my ass. I did it yesterday and I’ll do it again today. Bite my ass. I will NOT be controlled by you.
When you make inflammatory posts and you make posts of dubious validity, sanity, or intellect, you will hear about it at this place.
Grow a set of balls. I don’t tell YOU how to post, and personally, I find the body of foxbot lies you spam us with disgusting. I find it shows a limited intelligence. I find it exhibits an unwillingness to learn, to bask in your ignorance as it were. I am not one who suffers fools.
There is an easy cure. Post the truth. Post original thoughts. Open your mind. Be willing to listen to new ideas. Admit when you are wrong. In short, act like a person with brains and wit. It’s not hard to do.
Vinny
January 2nd, 2013
12:25 pm
Jay – for once I agree with you. Obama has turned America into a banana republic.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:25 pm
Towncrier — “I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.”
It’s not the expression to which I point your attention.
It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.
Mick
January 2nd, 2013
12:26 pm
common sense
My apologies but then, the truth does hurt some…
yuzeyurbrane
January 2nd, 2013
12:29 pm
It appears to me that a majority of House Republicans have simply turned into anarchists with no realistic program. This is even worse than the rule or ruin program that many have accused them of. For even if they did rule, there is no indication that they have any agreement on any program for governing other than to destroy the government elected by us all.
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:29 pm
I can’t recall my mother allowing us to sleep past 8 a.m. — even on school holidays!
Is this the same mom who STILL runs you around like a drill Sergeant runs a new recruit
BTW did you see my comment yesterday on YOUR comment about the scotch bonnet peppers?
RB from Gwinnett
January 2nd, 2013
12:30 pm
“If anything it just shows how crazy the Bush tax cuts were from the beginning.”
Why not let them expire? You liberals have been telling your idiotic sheep for years they were only for the rich anyway, so who cares if they expire, right?
Unless you’ve been lying to the sheep….
DebbieDoRight - Conned And Confused
January 2nd, 2013
12:31 pm
Luch!
Matti
January 2nd, 2013
12:32 pm
Don Abernethy: Jay, the painful step will be when the spending of the liberals bankrupts our government.
As opposed to the spending of the “conservatives” and war profiteers that bankrupted our government? If I had to weigh the pain of liberal spending vs. conservative spending, I’m thinking the liberal spending on stuff like education, health care, infrastructure, first responders and such hurts less than the spending on occupying foreign countries, buying combat planes we never use in combat, and enabling huge profits for the industrial war machine owners and their buddies. Cheney and his pals might disagree on what constitutes “pain,” though. Fewer cases consumed per year of Macallan 25 could be considered “pain” for guys like that.
Real Scootter
January 2nd, 2013
12:34 pm
In short, act like a person with brains and wit. It’s not hard to do.
The heck it ain’t!!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:35 pm
RB — “Why not let them expire? You liberals have been telling your idiotic sheep for years they were only for the rich anyway, so who cares if they expire, right? Unless you’ve been lying to the sheep….”
You cons have been claiming that they help everybody, but when the chips are down, you’re only willing to go to the mat for the benefit of the most wealthy among us.
So if there’s lying going on, maybe you should look in your own political neighborhood.
barking frog
January 2nd, 2013
12:35 pm
DDR
Luch to you too!
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:36 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:25 pm
Towncrier — “I am only semi-hip to colloquial expressions of the time and “boom” isn’t one of them.”
It’s not the expression to which I point your attention.
It’s the poster who frequently uses that style in his comments.
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That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants. TC doesn’t mind all that crap that Twinkie posted the other day either. It’s only me. More specifically it was me telling him to bite my ass when he tried to tell me how I’m supposed to practice my Christianity the other day.
I have a way about me, it really grates on those who have closed their mind. I keep rubbing their nose in it and it makes them mad. It makes them furious. Furious that they lack the ammunition to “prove” their false positions, they start campaigns to get me banned. Dave R did it……. Del did it……. among others. TC is merely the latest in a long list of intolerant closed minded blowhards who lack the ability to think for themselves or the intellectual integrity to admit when they are wrong and get mad when told so.
If TC were to be HONEST he would say that at least two times I was in error in something I posted towards him and both times I APOLOGISED for it. See an apology or admission of error isn’t something he would do (lol you either I seem to recall
).
So we’ll see. If Jay flips his two sided Fred coin and it lands on Fred I could be gone lol. But sometimes it lands on the edge and I’m safe for a few hours…………
DannyX
January 2nd, 2013
12:38 pm
“Why not let them expire?”
I for one am all for it, although I don’t think it should happen right away. The CBO also said that not extending the tax cuts on incomes under $400,000 would harm the recovery from the Bush Great Recession that we are now experiencing. The CBO also said the end to the tax cuts on those making $400,000+ will not harm the economy. I would like to see the rest of the tax cuts phased out over the next few years.
Robert Lee - Cogito ergo zoom
January 2nd, 2013
12:39 pm
Excellent respoinse at 12:25 Fred!
TC, you remind me of the kid who constantly looks for ways to tell on the other kids. Gotta know the rules before you can tattle…….
If you’re unwilling to expose yourself to the comments being posted here, then Kyle’s blog is waiting ……
Fred ™
January 2nd, 2013
12:40 pm
DDR: Did you notice that in EVERY game yesterday the announcer were actively cheering for the SEC team to lose? Did you see Sports Center today? The Rectal derby “reporting” on the Florida Louisville game was practically crapping himself trying to put down the SEC. According to HIM it is Florida, not Louisville who shouldn’t be in that game………
Did you see how the ref’s cheated S.Carolina on that Michigan “first down?” We all saw how well THAT worked lol. The next play very well may have been the play of the day, it certainly was the highlight of the day………… I’m surprised that poor boys head didn’t go flying along with his helmet and the ball………
barking frog
January 2nd, 2013
12:40 pm
Do we now have the Obama tax rates and the Clinton tax rates with
the Bush tax rates gone by the wayside ?
guy
January 2nd, 2013
12:41 pm
Where,everybody,are the matching spending cuts?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 2nd, 2013
12:41 pm
Fred — “That’s immaterial JHM, Doomy is a Republican so he can post what he wants.”
It’s not immaterial to me. I’ve been your target before and I’ve never called for you (or anyone else) to be silenced or banned. And while TC may think that there’s some favoritism going on here in how the ‘rules’ are enforced, I’d say that he’s pretty selective in his outrage; he’s certainly overlooked some beyond-the-pale recent comments from some of his ideological fellow travelers if he’s bent on conducting a ban fatwa.
“If TC were to be HONEST he would say that at least two times I was in error in something I posted towards him and both times I APOLOGISED for it. See an apology or admission of error isn’t something he would do (lol you either I seem to recall ).”
I don’t do it *often,* but I have done both here in the past. FWIW, it doesn’t surprise me that you’ve never actually seen me do it.
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
12:44 pm
I like the “re-education” of the GOP that Jay uses in his title.
HaHa – I can see it now…A big Obama, Che style billboard at the entrance of all the re-education camps.
Hilarious.
moonbat betty
January 2nd, 2013
12:44 pm
I like the “re-education” of the GOP that Jay uses in his title.
HaHa – I can see it now…A big Obama, Che style billboard at the entrance of all the re-education camps.
Hilarious.
Thulsa Doom
January 2nd, 2013
12:44 pm
Respect SABAN!
Do it!
Do it now you Godless, soulless, anti Bama (God’s football team) unspeakably evil, socially frowned up derelict snaggly toothed smelly fish funk fart knocker giraffes ass ape faced symian shyte for brains crooked faced curmudgeonly crumpcake peanut headed ensemble of nature’s carelessness bovine brained colossus of failure lilliputian lumps of lard brain troglodyte howler monkey ass dog eared derelict dung beetle rotting mackeral head greasy rat bastud pineapple and pimply faced pernicious piles of yak dung snivel snailed snout of a bad breath boar pig headed non virtuous Mr. Ed horse headed poopsquat stinking Notre Dame fans.
I coulda gone on but for the sake of brevity I’m keeping it short.
Plus I wanted to get this in before Jay reintroduces the bible of polite political discourse though this has nothing to do with politics.
BTW Jay this is not directed at anyone in particular on the friendly little confines of our blog. Just getting warmed up for the game is all.