Some travelin’ music to get us all home safely
We just spent a magical New England Christmas with my sister Lee Ann and her family, along with a gathering of the extended Bookman/Halunen clan. It was a perfect week, complete with a snowy Christmas Day, but life and home beckon. We’re now headed back to the ATL to kick off the new year.
My brother-in-law and host, Reino, is among other things an avid amateur guitar player. In fact, one of the highlights of the holiday came when Reino presented a miniature electric guitar, complete with miniature amp, to his 5-year-old grandson, Nathan, with promises of guitar lessons to come.
Reino’s favorite blues guitar player is the late Gary Moore of Northern Ireland, best known in this country for his stint with Thin Lizzy. So in tribute to Reino and Lee Ann, and in thanks for their great hospitality, here’s Mr. Moore, performing one of his solo hits:
– Jay Bookman
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josef
December 29th, 2012
5:33 pm
FROG
Acting white? Oh, I could give you plenty examples of what I would apply that term to here on the blog, but all that would come off as would be a personal attack on the individuals. Let’s just say that it’s far less evidenced in our melanin enhanced than our Pale Skins.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
5:34 pm
frog
More acting white.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
5:37 pm
“I see your point, and I still say it’s not a population wide issue. That’s the problem I had with that statement. There is no limitations placed on it when I came from a community that stressed achievement to escape the surroundings.”
Look. I grew up, as I said, without any racial bias or prejudice. Neither of my parents were that way and I really didn’t have any friends who were that way. Indeed, the most “racism” I encountered were from white ethnic minorities (like my Italian friends) who acquainted me with ethnic jokes about THEIR race (not other races). I had no idea how racist some whites had been in American history. I sort of got an idea over time but my eyes were really opened when I watched “Mississippi Burning”. That made me really mad. I do not pretend that many whites were very racist and that some now are. All I am asking is that we not pretend people of others races cannot be guilty of the same thing. Racism is not, in other words, a white problem. It is a human problem.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
5:39 pm
td
Under M.A.D., both parties have the capability to completely destroy each other. That would not apply in a citizen vs military battle. Citizens do not have the firepower necessary to seriously threaten our own military. Once again I’ll state that citizen office holders are more of a deterrent than privately owned weapons.
________________
Towncrier
I know enough about English to know that “in black circles” is not congruent with “in some…”, “in many…”, “in most…”, or “in a few…” which is the point I was trying to make. But what do I know about English. My degree is in Mathematics.
josef
December 29th, 2012
5:40 pm
DOGGONE
“..don’t leave out that the “inferiors” cooperate in that holding above”
Much truth to that, it’s a two-way street.
JamVet
December 29th, 2012
5:40 pm
…and especially Catholic sports…
Apparently South Bend was one of THE hotbeds for steroid use in the 80’s and early 90s. But Lou Holtz knew nothing about it. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean, guvnuh?) And from what I’ve read, most programs (even minor ones) were guilty to some large or small extent.
And now that they cracked down on that, it’s back to good old fashion, paying players under the table and taking their tests for them, SEC style football!
Did anyone see any of the Va. Tech/Rutgers game? In what I termed the Suck Bowl? The only question the whole game long was who would suck worse at the end. (Rutgers.)
Gotta feeling, 13 is gonna be a good year…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoW_0NuaPj4
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
5:40 pm
josef
as pure speculation if a black person is acting white what do they do?
do black people not acting white act differently than white people?
can white people act black? how is the difference determined ? dress?
speech? music?
josef
December 29th, 2012
5:44 pm
TC
“Look. I grew up, as I said, without any racial bias or prejudice.”
Oh, horsesh*t. If you grew up in America (or just about any other human society) you grew up with it. What your own experience with and relationship to it were and are, is another matter entirely.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
5:44 pm
I can’t imagine why he would say such a thing if he didn’t have some black friends or family that thought the same way.
Have you considered the idea that he’s sitting in an echo chamber and assumes there are others who think as he does?
josef
December 29th, 2012
5:45 pm
FROG
In one word, uppity.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2012
5:46 pm
“Much truth to that, it’s a two-way street”
Thanks! I lost a LOT of my awe of the “educated” when I had to work closely with computer programmers. When they had to ask ME what they had done wrong…I got to wondering just how many of them were what my Father called “educated above their intelligence”
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
5:46 pm
Kamchak
the Yorkshiremen are more about class than color. My ancestors
left there to come here and not too many tuxes on my bunch.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
5:47 pm
Oh, horsesh*t.
Don’t sugar coat it, tell us what you really think.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
5:47 pm
“Oh, horsesh*t. If you grew up in America (or just about any other human society) you grew up with it. What your own experience with and relationship to it were and are, is another matter entirely.”
I don’t appreciate that, bud. I grew up in rural New England in a town with a population of around 5,000. Have you something else to say, smarty-pants?
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
5:48 pm
josef
white people are uppity ?
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
5:50 pm
Towncrier @ 5:37
What does calling a statement broad brushed have to do with your racial insecurities or hang ups?
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
5:53 pm
“What does calling a statement broad brushed have to do with your racial insecurities or hang ups?”
Huh? You’re smarter than that, Brospehus – to ask dumb loaded questions.
The GOV
December 29th, 2012
5:55 pm
“I don’t appreciate that, bud. I grew up in rural New England in a town with a population of around 5,000. Have you something else to say, smarty-pants?”
You sound like an uptight white dude.
josef
December 29th, 2012
5:55 pm
Frog
No, uppity is viewed as “white.” The elite echelons are and have always in our society been white. Those who are trying to make it there or act like they have are acting uppity, i.e. white.
TC
Okay, New England. The Indians? The Quebecois….I’ve been there and I’ve seen it…
and to the best of my knowledge New England is still a part of the United States…
indigo
December 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
td, or anyone else
If Obama and the far left actually did manage to ban all private gun ownership, what would their next move be?
The GOV
December 29th, 2012
5:57 pm
Did the rural New England town even have a black dude? If so, what did he do? Scare white people?
The GOV
December 29th, 2012
5:59 pm
“If Obama and the far left actually did manage to ban all private gun ownership, what would their next move be?”
I dunno,
Burn books, shut down the press, martial law, suspend happy hour?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
6:00 pm
I grew up in rural New England in a town with a population of around 5,000.
You had a town?
You were lucky.
We used to dream of a town.
We grew up in a swamp, and had to walk 50 miles, one way, barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways just to get to a hamlet with a population of 25.
23 of which were rodents.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
6:01 pm
Towncrier
I asked that because I fail to see the connection. I am not trying to ask a loaded question. I’m asking for clarification, if that’s not too much to ask for.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
FROG
Let’s take K’chak’s Yorkshiremen. That’s very much what it is we’re talking about. It’s an attitude. We view things from our own social milieu.
Going back to what Unmentionable said about the Rez. His daily reality is light years away from there. Is he any less “Indian?” Again, it depends on the perspective. For the child on the Rez whose world view is bound by the conditions there, conditions s/he sees, eats, sleeps and breathes as “Indian” are his/her reality of what being Indian is. What they experience as “out there” is a vicarious experience filtered through the media, the tourists and what have you who are, at the top, “white.”
So, here comes an Indian who has made it, whose look, language, dress, car, house, entertainment, interests, and what have you mirror HIS environment. He tells them there is a way out, education. That they don’t have to cease being an Indian to do it. Do they understand that? No, he’s telling them that if they “act white” they can make it, too.
I wish I could find it now to link it, but there was an excellent episode of “House” in which he was fighting with a young Roma who was an exceptionally bright fellow with an interest in medicine. What House simply could not understand was how this young man could possibly turn down the “chance to escape.” Escape what? House had no answer.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
“It is unwise to deify our founding fathers.”
Okay, but what about those brass idols in your bedroom – you know, the ones that look like munchkins from the wizard of Oz?
“When we declared our independence, we were still 86 years away from Pasteur’s ground breaking work in germ theory.”
Are you a vampire or something? Creepy, dude.
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:06 pm
josef
so when you call yourself uppity you are acting white?
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:09 pm
josef
Escape what?
……………………..
one word. poverty.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
6:09 pm
“I asked that because I fail to see the connection. I am not trying to ask a loaded question. I’m asking for clarification, if that’s not too much to ask for.”
Really? Review you question. Then read this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
If you can tell me why I see your question as loaded and rephrase it, I will answer it.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:13 pm
K’Chak
@ 6:00
GOV
“Did the rural New England town even have a black dude? If so, what did he do? Scare white people?”
It was his job, mon…somebody had to do it and the hours were good…
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:15 pm
josef
Let’s take K’chak’s Yorkshiremen. That’s very much what it is we’re talking about. It’s an attitude. We view things from our own social milieu.
………………………………………………………
that social environment is largely determined by how much money we have or had.
without government interference it will always be about money not race.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:16 pm
FROG
Yes.
and Poverty…
Interesting you should bring that up…his background was not that poor in material terms, but very rich in cultural and spiritual terms…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
6:16 pm
…you know, the ones that look like munchkins from the wizard of Oz?
You’ve seen The Wizard of Oz ?
You were lucky.
We could only dream of seeing a film.
We had to walk 100 miles one way, barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways just to get to a place that had one watercolor print.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
6:17 pm
Towncrier
What did your post have to do with my statement that you quoted?
Is that simple enough of a clarification request?
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:18 pm
Kamchak 6:16
well it is evident you did not wear boots.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
6:20 pm
well it is evident you did not wear boots.
You know about boots?
You were lucky….
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:20 pm
DOGGONE
“Father called “educated above their intelligence””
And your father hit the nail on the head.
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:22 pm
Kamchak
You know about boots?
You were lucky….
……………………………………………
I know about them.
even wore some, but they were strapless…
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
6:24 pm
“You’ve seen The Wizard of Oz?”
I told you once.
“You were lucky.”
No, I wasn’t.
“We could only dream of seeing a film.”
You could not.
“We had to walk 100 miles one way, barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways just to get to a place that had one watercolor print.”
You’re not bipedal.
td
December 29th, 2012
6:24 pm
ndigo
December 29th, 2012
5:56 pm
td, or anyone else
If Obama and the far left actually did manage to ban all private gun ownership, what would their next move be?
Who knows and who cares because it is not going to get to that point. Like I said earlier, Obama is to smart to actually try to ban all private ownership because he knows he would not be in office long enough to carry it out.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:25 pm
FROG
“I know about them.
even wore some, but they were strapless…”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
6:27 pm
I know about them.
even wore some…
I’ll bet frogs wear jump boots.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:28 pm
Frogs wear flippers….
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
Based on “history”, one would think that blacks would vote Republican if for NO other reason than a president wound up giving his life to free them from slavery. In short, I don’t believe intelligent people should be the slaves of tradition
You wanna talk history? Then let’s talk history – here’s a lesson for you:
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Lesson #1: The end of Reconstruction also marked the end of the limited national political courtship of African-American voters. African Americans were either stripped of their political rights, as in the South, or, as in the North, their numbers were not large enough to affect the outcome of any election. IOW the republican party left blacks long before blacks left the republican party.
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Lesson #2: Franklin Roosevelt, despite the fact that the Democratic Party had traditionally denied them basic civil rights. Using primary sources and a variety of voices from the period, students can discover how the Depression affected African-American workers, and why black voters switched their allegiance during the period. Democrats and Republicans of the time responded to the call for civil rights differently. Republicans talked much but did nothing and Roosevelt’s problem was that in order to retain his position of leadership, he had to keep the Southern Democrats – who time and again denied African Americans the vote in their states – within the party.
Although Roosevelt made no move to reverse the legal segregation at the time, he did invite several African-American leaders to serve as advisors to the administration. He also ensured that African Americans had access to relief during the worst days of the Depression. Because of Roosevelt’s willingness to engage African Americans as Americans, he won their votes for the Democratic Party for decades to come.
Lesson #3: Truman desegregrates the Armed Forces and the Federal Government.
Lesson#4: Civil Rights Legislation
Lesson #5: Lee At Water and the Southern Strategy:
Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee At Water, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee At Water discussed politics in the South:
Questioner: But the fact is, isn’t it, that Reagan does get to the Wallace voter and to the racist side of the Wallace voter by doing away with legal services, by cutting down on food stamps?
At Water: You start out in 1954 by saying, “N###@er, n###@r, n###@er.” By 1968 you can’t say “n###@er” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N###@r, n###@r.”[4]
Herbert wrote in the same column, “The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.’s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.”[1]
Lesson #6: Blacks are well aware of their political and economic interests, and on the balance, they feel that Democrats are the ones who best benefit them. If that were to change—if, tomorrow, the Democratic Party were to return to its segregationist past—African Americans would act accordingly. Blacks were reliable Republicans up until it became clear that Democrats were more interested in winning their votes, supporting their leaders, and offering concrete policies to serve their interests. This courtship has lasted decades, and it’s responsible for the huge margins Democrats win among African Americans.
Class Dismissed
indigo
December 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
td
You might want to re-read your 2:15.
Short-term memory loss?
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:30 pm
If Obama and the far left actually did manage to ban all private gun ownership, what would their next move be?
……………………………………………………………………………………
give conservative women free birth control
JamVet
December 29th, 2012
6:31 pm
For the misbehaved who hijacked the place last night…
It’s Not Me, It’s You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZyCuYikI0Q
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:32 pm
josef
frogs have flippers, they wear Prada…at least the uppity ones do.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:36 pm
DDR
Excellent lesson. One revision, however, between lessons 1 and 2 you need to bring in the Flood of ‘27, a watershed metaphorically and in reality.
Then a comparison between the ‘27 Republican response and the Democrat response to the Flood of ‘37…
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:37 pm
FROG
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
6:38 pm
“What did your post have to do with my statement that you quoted? Is that simple enough of a clarification request?”
You asked a loaded question, my friend. And you still won’t acknowledge it. Be that as it may, if you read the last few sentences of the aforementioned post (taken along with all of my other posts on this matter), you might glimpse my meaning in even bringing up the Parker incident: this is a liberal blog; many liberals (here and in the media) paint conservatives as white racists; while there is undoubtedly some whites who are bigoted and racist in America, virtually NO attention is paid to the fact that there as as well blacks (and Hispanics and Asians) who are likewise bigoted and racist (just like we all have – thanks to the media – the impression that there are only white serial killers, when, as I pointed out the other day, there have been proportionately just as many black serial killers). I do it, in short, to counter false pictures or impressions in liberal minds. It has nothing to do with “racial insecurities” as you assume but a strong distaste for falsehoods pushed as propaganda.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2012
6:40 pm
“And your father hit the nail on the head”
Yeah, no kidding. He wasn’t stupid…but he never graduated from High School. He joined the Army during WW2 instead. Got his GED late in life and retired from a civilian career with the Air Force with the equivilent job level to a full Colonel. Not too bad for someone who never graduated from High School.
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
6:41 pm
the propa ganda is just uppity to the common goose…..
td
December 29th, 2012
6:42 pm
indigo
December 29th, 2012
6:29 pm
td
You might want to re-read your 2:15.
Short-term memory loss?
Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits is it? Where did I say Obama in my 2:15? If you read further and read the link then you would find out that this is a LONG term plan from the writer. Now some of the steps the writer talked about is in the Feinstein legislation and it is the first steps in the article to totally take guns away.
You are so defensive about your messiah that you see attacks on him everywhere (even when they are not there).
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
6:45 pm
Josef: DDR – Whew! Thank G-d you’re here. glad that wasn’t you in Barcelona…
Very funny josef!!
Crier (Regarding RGIII): That is your opinion. But a number of people think otherwise.
Any of them black?
And the evidence does NOT support your view. Parker was questioning RGIII’s blackness for these reasons: 1) he has a white fiance 2) he might be a Republican 3) he seems to be acting like Tiger Woods.
You realize that two of those reasons have NOTHING to do with being a republican compared to only ONE reason don’t you?
Read the transcript.
Already did.
Provide evidence for your opinion.
Again, already did.
And please don’t pretend there is not considerable peer pressure in black circles to conform because I know better.
AND there’s NO peer pressure in white circles?
I know one sister in church who forfeited a scholarship at NYU becuase of the pressure to not “be white” (in getting an education).
Then she probably wasn’t smart enough to go to NYU and the scholarship – hopefully it went to someone else who was.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
6:48 pm
josef: DDR – Excellent lesson.
Thank u!
One revision,
Dang!
between lessons 1 and 2 you need to bring in the Flood of ‘27, a watershed metaphorically and in reality.
Then a comparison between the ‘27 Republican response and the Democrat response to the Flood of ‘37…
Check out the big brains on josef! I know you’re a teacher, but you keep proving that you’re a SMART teacher too! you go boy!
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:51 pm
DOGGONE
Yep. And you know what? He put the work ethic into you by example. And schooling, i.e. time in the classroom? Deliver me…the most widely read, most intelligent, most articulate, deepest thinking, and most gracious person who ever came calling on Big Daddy’s verandah (his own modesty prevents me from calling him by name but I think you know who I’m talking about), was probably one of the least “schooled” to come this way.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
6:52 pm
“You wanna talk history? Then let’s talk history – here’s a lesson for you…”
Yeah, I have heard all of that before. But since I believe one should vote on principle rather than what’s in it for us personally (you know – “if you vote for me, I’ll give you this” rather than “this is the best thing to do for our country”), it all reads like more of a justification than anything else.
That said, I am on record here as saying (many times) that there is nary a noble, honest, wise politician interested in the good of others. And that elections are mostly about choosing the lesser of two evils. It is a very sad state of affairs. I mean how in the world does someone like Harry Reid become the majority leader of the Senate? How did Cantor get to the position he holds (as inflexible as he is)? How are Obama and Romney even presidential candidates to begin with?
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
6:53 pm
Towncrier
When I intend to ask a loaded question, I will acknowledge asking one. Just because you take something as meaning one thing does not require me to acknowledge your perception as my intent. Therefore, you will not see me acknowledge asking something that I didn’t ask.
Honestly, I still fail to see the connection. Nowhere have I stated that racism doesn’t exist in the Black community. My point is still that your original statement of “in black circles” without any other description is broad brushing the entire Black community. Simply saying what you said is too ambiguous to claim otherwise. That has absolutely nothing to do with when or where you first perceived racism.
Trying to use Parker’s statement as some kind of proof of Black racism is no different than me trying to paint “white circles” because of something said by some random White person.
josef
December 29th, 2012
6:58 pm
BROSEPHUS
Your @ 8:53…word! Much the same point I was trying to make earlier about that “Jewish liberal” one…
Oscar
December 29th, 2012
6:59 pm
The flood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgBWGR0E83Y
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
7:00 pm
Crier: Yeah, I have heard all of that before. But since I believe one should vote on principle rather than what’s in it for us personally (you know – “if you vote for me, I’ll give you this” rather than “this is the best thing to do for our country”), it all reads like more of a justification than anything else.
Well then you should not support ANY of these organizations:
NRA
AARP
League Of Women Voters
Council of Conservative Citizens
Tea Party
Accountable America
The Agenda Project: America the Beautiful
Allegheny Foundation
Alliance Defending Freedom
Alliance for Security
American Center for Law & Justice
American Committee for Cultural Freedom
American Conservative Union
American Dream Movement
American Family Association
American Freedom Agenda
American Liberty League
American Majority Action
American Public Relations Forum
American Vision
American Majority
Americans for Conservative Training
Americans for Limited Government
Arlington Group
Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs
Asian American Action Fund
Association Against the Prohibition Amendment
Congress for Cultural Freedom
Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
B
Brecht Forum
British-American Project
Bruin Alumni Association
Byrd Organization
josef
December 29th, 2012
7:04 pm
BROSEPHUS
Can I be a Random White Person? Hunh? Can I? Can I? Please, purty please.
indigo
December 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
td – 6:42
Who do you think you’re fooling?
To you and all gun nut cons, Obama and the far left are pretty much the same.
I have never called him my “messiah”. In fact, the only time that term is ever used here is by you cons.
Do you have a “messiah complex”?
Now, answer the question.
If the “far left” succeeds in banning all guns, what comes next?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
7:08 pm
Can I be a Random White Person? Hunh? Can I? Can I? Please, purty please.
Yes, but only if you promise to shop at Whole Foods and report everything you observe in the grocery cart of every huge __________ lady that you stand behind.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
7:10 pm
josef
You have too many labels to qualify as random.
josef
December 29th, 2012
7:11 pm
K’CHAK
Okay, I think I can do that…
josef
December 29th, 2012
7:12 pm
BROSEPHUS
Yeah, but not when you just LOOK at me…
TBS
December 29th, 2012
7:15 pm
Uh oh
Someone mentioned Whole Foods. How long will it be before we get the post that will state that “just last week I was behind a lady in the check out line at Walmart who was using an EBT card……”?
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
7:16 pm
josef
You think that because you can’t see that cartoon balloon over your head that puts them all on display.
1811, etc.
December 29th, 2012
7:19 pm
Headline (Sacromento Bee): “California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall”
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/27/5079151/california-gun-sales-increase.html#storylink=cpy
josef
December 29th, 2012
7:23 pm
TBS
Well, you’ll have to count me out…I don’t go to Wal-Mart. I’m too uppity!
BROSEPHUS
Well, jus’ d*mn! So that’s how they know…!
TBS
December 29th, 2012
7:26 pm
josef
I said that because almost every time one certain blogger is on and EBT cards or welfare is mentioned, he always as a story about “just last week I was behind a lady………….yada, yada, yada”
It is like clockwork.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
7:27 pm
Crier: Here’s an ad, aired before the elections, that was run by one of those Koch bros. Politcal organizations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQQBrDbbZsk
This ad is soo funny! Why?
Well ’cause IMO the Koch brothers HATE black folks!
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
7:28 pm
“When I intend to ask a loaded question, I will acknowledge asking one. Just because you take something as meaning one thing does not require me to acknowledge your perception as my intent. Therefore, you will not see me acknowledge asking something that I didn’t ask.”
Geez. From the Wiki: “A loaded question is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).” You asked me: “What does calling a statement broad brushed have to do with your racial insecurities or hang ups?” Your question assumes that I have “racial insecurities” or “hang ups” (whatever that may mean).
“Honestly, I still fail to see the connection.”
I guess that is now clear.
“Nowhere have I stated that racism doesn’t exist in the Black community.”
I am not aware that you ever have.
“My point is still that your original statement of “in black circles” without any other description is broad brushing the entire Black community. Simply saying what you said is too ambiguous to claim otherwise.”
And I have already addressed this point. You took it that way. But circles are defined as a group of persons having a common interest or view. It is a subset of a population. The very fact that I used a plural noun in reference to a singular population should demonstrate what I am saying. I have no doubt but that I know English better than you – and that’s not to demean you or anything else. You are reading into what I wrote something I did not say.
“That has absolutely nothing to do with when or where you first perceived racism.”
No. Except that, given your interpretation of what I said, I wanted you to feel sure that I wasn’t trying to be racist. I was, as I said, trying to counter a false impression that conservatives are white racists by showing that (whatever white conservatives may be racist) racism is not
a white but rather a human problem. In case you haven’t noticed, more than a few liberals have parroted that white conservative racist bologna here and I aim to shoot it down as the ideological propaganda it is. One clear way to do that, I think, is to highlight stories that show racism is not a unilateral white sickness.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 29th, 2012
7:30 pm
Whole Foods….that’s where I should have gone. I experimented and went to the Super H Mart. I believe I was shopping with that Redneck guy in the next aisle cause all I heard was “Everything is in Japanese or Korean, that’s just not American.”
I see were TC claimed to be from a small New England town. I have to believe it’s true. I mean I always wondered were Larry, Darryl and Darryl relocated but after that post and the posts from last night, its much clearer now.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2012
7:32 pm
Joseph…thanks so much! I’m a BIG believer in self taught education. I think you learn better when it’s something YOU are interested in learning, as opposed to what others think you should learn.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
7:38 pm
“Crier: Here’s an ad, aired before the elections, that was run by one of those Koch bros. Politcal organizations. This ad is soo funny! Why? Well ’cause IMO the Koch brothers HATE black folks!”
I guess it had little effect upon you
I hope you really don’t think ALL Republicans or conservatives are “against” blacks and that you would never vote for a Republican. I don’t consider myself a Republican even though I usually vote that way. I would vote for a Zell Miller any time. I am a social conservative and there are few Democrats who I would vote for because of that. I am not a military hawk and am not beholden to any particular economic school of thought, but am against a large “socialist” like government and am generally distrustful of government (for obvious reasons).
I don’t know much of anything about the Koch brothers. Can you provide evidence of their racism?
josef
December 29th, 2012
7:41 pm
DOGGONE
Me, too.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
7:42 pm
“Well then you should not support ANY of these organizations…”
Wow…you conclude that before really knowing what principles I believe in. Thanks for thinking for me
But, FYI, I do not belong to or support ANY political organization – only non-profits that are working to help the less fortunate.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
7:47 pm
“I see were TC claimed to be from a small New England town.”
LOL. That was a great show. Newhart is a funny guy. I saw him on Carson one time and Johnny asked him about his ethnic background. He replied: “Well, I’m half German and half Irish. I guess that makes me a meticulous drunk”. Great ad lib line.
Brosephus™
December 29th, 2012
7:47 pm
Towncrier
I didn’t perceive your original statement as either bigoted or racist. Your statement above gives the appearance that you harbor some type of hang up as I never accused you of being racist or bigoted. Just as I stated that you have your perceptions, so do I. Perception is not always truth, hence my question of clarification. If you have no hang ups, then that is fine by me. Just beware of pulling the race card when it’s not warranted. You claim to counter allegations and such from the left, however you risk painting yourself with the same brush when you swipe it when it’s not necessary.
Towncrier
December 29th, 2012
7:57 pm
Okay guys…I’m out. Goodnight all.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
8:05 pm
TC FYI I HAVE voted for republicans! I voted for Paul Coverdell and a few others.
Also, i’m not thinking for you or anyone else. YOU are the one who said, “I believe one should vote on principle rather than what’s in it for us personally (you know – “if you vote for me, I’ll give you this” rather than “this is the best thing to do for our country”), it all reads like more of a justification than anything else”.
I was just giving you a heads up that the most effective way in this country to get your views heard is to form some sort of political organization. A single person’s voice, mostly won’t get heard by their local Congressman; but if that one person find other people who think like he does and bans together with them, and becomes a major voting block…….
……THEN your congressman will hear them. Loudly and clearly.
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
8:16 pm
Debbie do 8:05
You may become a politician yet.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 29th, 2012
8:20 pm
Frog — EGADS! I hope that was a joke!
pogo
December 29th, 2012
8:23 pm
The French court threw out the Socialist French President Hollandes new tax policy of taxing the rich at 75%. Imagine that. The French actually having better economical sense that the Americans. Obama pretty much built his whole presidency and his last campaign on increasing taxes on the rich in this country and he is depending upon his blinded (and quite frankly economically ignorant) followers to not know or care about the real impact or motive of his actions. He only wants to dazzle them with political smoke and mirrors. Why not? Up till now it has worked on his entitlement minded minions. He knows his “tax the rich” tax policy will not make a dent in our deficit nor will it improve employment numbers. But it looks good to his “give me” followers as they long ago resolved themselves to believing anything he tells him just as long as the “checks” keep coming . If Obama got everything he wanted in tax increases on the rich the revenue generated would only fund our government’s expenditures for 7 days. The rest of the year would be just more borrowing and spending. I think his real motive is to be able to tell his entitlement babies that when the really tough cuts in government spending occur, which they will soon, he will be able to say “I taxed the rich just like I told you I would but it just wasn’t enough. Now it is your turn”. He knew all along that it would not be enough but for purely political reasons he would not tell his blinded followers. He is betting that he will be either be leaving office or already be gone from office when the real pain begins. He is either an idiot or a complete liar and deceiver. The latter two are probably the case.
getalife
December 29th, 2012
8:28 pm
Our President is doing exactly what he said he was going to do pogo.
He might cave to get more of what he wants so your precious wealthy might still get their tax cut again.
They don’t need it and some don’t want it.
It proves you cons are not serious about our deficit.
Soothsayer
December 29th, 2012
8:29 pm
All I want to know is where can I get a job like Bookman’s or Wingnut’s. Shoot! The boss would have my jewels on a stick if’n took off as much as they do! At least with Bookman I can understand what with him bein’ a Socialist and everything. Wingnut I don’t know. Wouldn’t surprise me none if the both of ‘em took off ’til Wednesday. Disgraceful!
getalife
December 29th, 2012
8:30 pm
Imagona is telling Illinois to pass gay marriage.
td
December 29th, 2012
8:37 pm
indigo
December 29th, 2012
7:07 pm
td – 6:42
Who do you think you’re fooling?
To you and all gun nut cons, Obama and the far left are pretty much the same.
Now, answer the question.
If the “far left” succeeds in banning all guns, what comes next?
It is not going to happen. You can dream all you want too but that would take a Constitutional Amendment to ban all guns. 2/3 votes by both houses and then 3/4 of all states approving. Will never happen.
Now if some politician comes along and attempts to confiscate all guns by some type of executive order or something then I am afraid there would be a great deal of blood in the streets.
bman.
December 29th, 2012
8:37 pm
Super H-Mart = Heaven
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
8:39 pm
WAY TO GO, DEPARDIEU!
FRENCH COURT REJECTS HIGH TAX
drudgey spam.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
8:41 pm
Oh and deficit?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 29th, 2012
8:42 pm
Oops:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/245esggv.asp
getalife
December 29th, 2012
8:44 pm
Since the cons don’t care about the deficit lets end their bs on the deficit.
Lets all agree with cheney.
Deficits don’t matter.
Bipartisanship.
barking frog
December 29th, 2012
8:47 pm
Debbie Do 8:20
Not at all. You are at the best age where you are still passionate about
life. Nothing gets done without politics. Involve yourself with a party. Pick
a specialty like veterans, children, abused women and go with it. Obama
was actually a community organizer and look where he is now.
getalife
December 29th, 2012
8:57 pm
“Woman Accused of Hate-Crime Murder in Subway Push…
‘I’ve hated Hindus and Muslims since 2001′…” drudgey spam.
Sounds like the cons have a new motto and hero.
JamVet
December 29th, 2012
9:04 pm
froggie! All upbeat on a Saturday night!
I remember blasting this LOUD in my Mini Cooper cruising down the A12 into London to get with a pretty lil bird in the West End. (My sister-in-law’s pen pal!) Wild times in the UK…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iWFeQHZeJI
JamVet
December 29th, 2012
9:27 pm
People seem so uptight.
It’s the holidays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14hskyBXkPo