NRA hasn’t changed its blustering self
I had to smile, and not happily, when I read this from Politico:
“The National Rifle Association stunned Washington observers Friday when the group’s CEO announced a plan to install armed guards at every school in the country — its response to the Connecticut shooting last week that left 20 children dead…
… Close observers had expected the NRA to strike a more cooperative tone at the unusual press conference, as pressure is mounting in Washington for reform.”
I don’t know who these “close observers” might be, but most people who have paid attention to the NRA over the years are not stunned or surprised in the least. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” NRA executive Wayne LaPierre told the press conference, in statements that could have been scripted five years ago.
LaPierre did make valid points in his statement about the need to improve school security and, oddly, about the dangerous Cult of Guns. But he made not the slightest nod toward even addressing the role played by the easy availability of high-powered weaponry. He and other NRA officials also refused to take questions afterward.
Personally, I take that as a good sign. It looked to me as though LaPierre and his friends are a bit worried this time and afraid to engage in the debate, fearful that at moments such as this, their bumper-sticker rhetoric won’t play well in front of a general audience.
Anything to change the subject, right Wayne?
– Jay Bookman
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Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
Adam:
By the way I would beg to differ on japan. They were somewhat communists util we straightened them out in WW!!….
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
“Christian Conservative: Then please explain why Australia, New Zealand, Japan, etc have not been taken over by dictators.”
Australia and New Zealand were colonies of Great Britain which has a KING. Japan now and for a very long time has an Emperor. Not all dictators act like Hitler. Most act like liberals.
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
” Why should the life of the president of the US be more precious than that of anyone else in the country? Is Obama ready to dismiss the Secret Service?”
Very reasonable questions. All men are created equal, right? Or are, as Orwell sarcastically suggests, some animals more equal than others?
“One of the most vocal gun control advocates is Diane Feinstein, and she has a concealed carry permit and uses it. Harry Reid claims he *always carries a gun.*”
Perhaps yet more instances of someone wanting you to do what they say, not what they do. I believe that is called hypocrisy.
josef
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
JHM
Forgoing your “I taught constitutional law” arrogance for a moment…the word in the quote was “Right,” not “duty.”
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
“Give them time.. They are also not very populated countries and still have an inkling of moral values.”
What we’ve learned: CC thinks Japan is not very populated, and that Australia will be taken over by a dictator, because they have no second amendment.
Got it.
T-Town
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
“More than a dozen security officers checked media credentials at various checkpoints and patrolled the hotel ballroom.”
Why would a NRA function need security officers when most, if not all, of the participants would be armed?
too little time
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
As usual the cons will defend their death merchants to the end. This discussion is going nowhere. The cons love the death lobby.
Which might mean something if the “cons” were the only folks with guns in this country. News flash: there are a lot of Democrats with guns as well.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
godless, why would we be living in a “police state” if we were to systematically regulate gun ownership and eventually remove the nastiest hardware through a buyback program?
If that’s a “police state,” then most of the civilized world qualifies as a “police state.” and on that, I call horse hockey.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
Enter your comments here
yuzeyurbrane
December 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
Wayne LaPierre is an enabler of mass murder with blood on his hands. How can he sleep at night?
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
”
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:35 pm
This is the kind of bullsh*t liberals think and write about all the time.
JohnnyReb
December 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
Why is it there is always a Moonbat who tells everyone the Constitution does not mean what it reads?
And some think we should compromise.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:39 pm
Wayne LaPierre is an enabler of mass murder with blood on his hands. How can he sleep at night?
In the words of Piers Morgan, “you are a liar!”
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
2:39 pm
Those tight gun laws really do help……
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48275415/ns/world_news-europe/t/norway-massacre-nation-remembers-victims-one-year-later/#.UNS65OSdMRE
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
Without checking, I can assume that the Hitler quote @ 2.29 is bull puckey?
(I’ve yet to encounter a Hitler quote about personal gun ownership, posted on the intertubes, that *wasn’t.*)
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
“If that’s a “police state,” then most of the civilized world qualifies as a “police state.” and on that, I call horse hockey.”
ALL societies live in a “police state”. The only differences are the relative power of the police and whether they are official or not.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
Happy Christmas (war is over), y’all!
I’ll miss the FNM, but “Father Christmas, Give us some Money” is always appropriate considering!
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
Christian Conservative: Give them time.. They are also not very populated countries and still have an inkling of moral values. We have urban jungles that are crime riddled all over this country. If not for that guns probably wouldn’t be necessary….
Every single aspect of what you said there is laughable
Give them time? Oh yes I am sure that dictators will take over if you just wait long enough and it’s all because of gun restrictions…
Your population and “moral values” arguments are merely excuses. Guns don’t make people safer. And you KNOW IT. No killer with a gun gives a sh*t whether you are packing or not. He’s already got the drop on you, and the intent, and even if you manage to “stop” him he still wasn’t scared away because you might have had a gun.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:40 pm
Why is it there is always a Moonbat who tells everyone the Constitution does not mean what it reads?
Aint that the truth!!
larry
December 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
“One of the most vocal gun control advocates is Diane Feinstein, and she has a concealed carry permit and uses it. Harry Reid claims he *always carries a gun.*”
A gun, yes. A military assult rifle , a bazooka or a anti-aircraft gun………….. no.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
By the way I would beg to differ on japan. They were somewhat communists util we straightened them out in WW!!….
What is that, like “Republicans are the party that freed the slaves”?
Get some current historical context dude. Japan banned guns well after WW2, and they haven’t had mass shootings or dictators since.
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
“Why is it there is always a Moonbat who tells everyone the Constitution does not mean what it reads?”
Because there are so many who have been conned into thinking it means what they have been told, and who can’t be bothered to read it to see what it actually SAYS.
indigo
December 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
Scout, josef
Who pays for these “resource officers?
And, why were there none of them at that Conn. school?
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
2:42 pm
And some think we should compromise.
Not me!
I think it is now being proven that the quickest, most effective way to minimize the danger of right wing trash is give them plenty of rope.
Me? I’ll side with the police chiefs in this country. You can work against them all you want…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
Senior Digits fails again with distortion of Heller.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
Because there are so many who have been conned into thinking it means what they have been told, and who can’t be bothered to read it to see what it actually SAYS.
Quoted for truth
Hey gun nuts, what are the first four words of the second amendment? DON’T WAIT FOR THE GOOGLE, ANSWER ME NOW!!!!
too little time
December 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
Being afraid that someone out there is going to shoot you down and several of your friends/colleagues/classmates all the time is NOT FREEDOM
Compared to living in a totalitarian regime…. it most certainly is. You are confusing FREEDOM with SECURITY. By your definition, the people in CHINA are free , the people in the former Soviet Union were free, and the people in the U.S. are not. By your definition, a person in prison is FREE!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
“Gun bans don’t disarm criminals, gun bans attract them.” Walter Mondale
getalife
December 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
“A military assult rifle , a bazooka or a anti-aircraft gun………….. no.”
Make an offer and I will consider selling.
Tired of cleaning weapons.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
“he still wasn’t scared away because you might have had a gun.”
Now that is laughable. Most killers were liberals who did not get their way or their free stuff. The last three were mentally ill and most likely the offspring of liberals.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
Adam @ 2.44:
“yebbut I am, personally, a well regulated militia. So there.”
(actual argument offered by a dear friend of mine, many moons ago.)
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
“I think it is now being proven that the quickest, most effective way to minimize the danger of left wing trash is give them plenty of rope.”
When people can find a job and there is no money to give them for being liberals, then will really get bad.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
When people can not find a job and there is no money to give them for being liberals, then will really get bad.
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
“No, seriously, F*CK all you gun nuts. This is bullsh*t. You all KNOW that guns are the major problem here, either that or you’re just too stupid.”
Come on, Adam. No need to get vulgar. I am not a gun “nut”. But I certainly don’t “know” that “guns are the major problem here” and I am not stupid. Did you see my first post to Jay? Read that and tell me where you think I am wrong.
“There is no evidence to support the idea that more guns equals more safety.”
I think if you examine the murder rates and gun ownership of ALL western countries, you will find there is no necessary correlation between the number of guns and the amount of gun violence.
“You guys need to face facts. It’s time to restrict these weapons of mass murder, just like we restrict entrance into airports, just like we restrict sudafed because of meth addicts, just like we restrict FREE SPEECH because some dumb@ss yelled fire in a crowded theater, just like we restrict people’s rights to liberty in the form of operating their chosen form of motor vehicle.”
Please respond to my first post and tell me how much more you would be willing to restrict free speech.
larry
December 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
Make an offer and I will consider selling.
No thanks, im not qualified to operate such machinery.
Unlike some on here, i dont have to arm myself to the teeth to feel safe.
josef
December 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
SFD
@ 2:35
Yep. That’s pretty much the case. And, well, maybe it is gallows humor, but, believe me, I can relate
“As for my girls, they understood. They still feel safe…because they have no idea that I’m considering flinging them from a third story window in the event of an emergency.
Hope springs eternal in my classroom.”
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:48 pm
“Gun bans don’t disarm criminals, gun bans attract them.” Walter Mondale
“I know what I’ll do. I’ll tell everyone I’ll raise their taxes. The people will appreciate my honesty and I will stomp that senile old coot in November.”
–Walter Mondale
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:50 pm
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:47 pm
What comes after separation of church and state? Dont bother with the coma.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
2:50 pm
C. Conservative — “By the way I would beg to differ on japan. They were somewhat communists util we straightened them out in WW!!….”
You were home-schooled, weren’t you?
getalife
December 21st, 2012
2:50 pm
“Unlike some on here, i dont have to arm myself to the teeth to feel safe.”
I bought after the collapse and got a little carried away.
My bad.
larry
December 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
think if you examine the murder rates and gun ownership of ALL western countries, you will find there is no necessary correlation between the number of guns and the amount of gun violence.
Yep, the less amount of guns , the less amound of gun violence.
See, its simple.
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
“You were home-schooled, weren’t you?”
In reality, probably not an insult with much bite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_homeschooled_people
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
“Yep, the less amount of guns , the less amound of gun violence.”
That doesn’t neccessarily correlate. One person who shoot 10 bullets is causing more “gun violence” than 9 people who shoot 1 bullet each.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
2:53 pm
So since you liberals want to show everyone how intelligent you are, who makes law? Where does it begin–dont say Obama please.
Recon 0311 2533
December 21st, 2012
2:54 pm
The left isn’t interested in solving societal issues they’re only interested in their ideological causes. This is evidenced by their refusal to consider reasonable solutions to protecting our children and improving our mental health treatment programs along with censorship of videos with violent content. All I’ve seen on this forum from left wing posters is anti-gun nut rhetoric about banning guns while they ignore objective proposed solutions to protecting our children. Shameful
td
December 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
Jay,
Can I start using the same type language and attacks as:
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
Please let me know so that I can be as effect an advocate and will not get punished?
josef
December 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
indigo
As for your first question, they are either a) funded within the annual budgeting process, in which case the taxpayer pays, or b) are assigned by the local law enforcement agencies, in which case the taxpayer pays. As for the second question, I am not sure about Newtown and why or why not. Going out on a limb and making an assumption, but if they did not have such a resource officer it might well be that a) this was an elementary school where inhouse security does not have to confront inter-student conflict resolution with quite the same intensity as middle and high schools, and b) it was a largely white, middle and upper middle class suburban district where such concerns are less “at issue.”
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
2:56 pm
What comes after separation of church and state?
Fornication and general merriment. Duh!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
2:57 pm
Josef — “Forgoing your “I taught constitutional law” arrogance for a moment…the word in the quote was “Right,” not “duty.”
Claiming or asserting that a government’s constitution grants a right to *overthrow* that selfsame government is a specious legal argument, which is what the preceding poster had claimed before you spoke up. There are many places, including the Declaration of Independence, where the *duty* to throw off oppressive government is mentioned, and in some places, it is even referred to as a right — but *never* as a right *under the Constitution.*
It’s not *enumerated.* S’all I’m saying. You’ll find much more discussion of it as a *duty* than as a right in the Founders’ writings.
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
2:57 pm
Why do liberals always bring their bushmaster to a paintball fight?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
J. Reb — “Why is it there is always a Moonbat who tells everyone the Constitution does not mean what it reads?”
Because I taught Con Law, you didn’t and I’m right, that’s why.
You let me know when you want to see those five thousand pages of law that the Constitution says Congress isn’t allowed to make. I’ll hook you right up.
larry
December 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
All I’ve seen on this forum from left wing posters is anti-gun nut rhetoric about banning guns while they ignore objective proposed solutions to protecting our children. Shameful
And then you turn around and vote for politicians who defund critical mental health programs. And who then turn around and vote to fund tax cuts to people who dont need it.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:58 pm
too little time: You are confusing FREEDOM with SECURITY.
No I am not, you are, by advocating that we all have to be armed as a response to crazy people with guns. That’s nonsense, and isn’t a free society.
getalife
December 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
“Why do liberals always bring their bushmaster to a paintball fight?”
Because we can.
Buzz Belle
December 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
Oh dear Lord….I didn’t just hear the NRA say we need more guns. If we must keep our children safe at school by having armed guards at every school, then we need them at every resturant, every theatre, every nursing home, every gun range (welcome to the Wild Wild West), every church, every temple, everywhere. STOP this madness people. We cannot stop every crazy person from going crazy, we can try to stop them from having access to guns. That is a FIRST step, and not the last.
td
December 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
arry
December 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
“One of the most vocal gun control advocates is Diane Feinstein, and she has a concealed carry permit and uses it. Harry Reid claims he *always carries a gun.*”
A gun, yes. A military assult rifle , a bazooka or a anti-aircraft gun………….. no.
Military assault rifles are already not legal for most citizens to own.
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
Unlike some on here, i dont have to arm myself to the teeth to feel safe.
Me either larry! I do have a small gun collection though.Some are old relics that were handed down and the ones I bought are for recreational purposes only.Not one of them was bought for self protection.
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
3:00 pm
getalife, don’t be a bully.
Rockerbabe
December 21st, 2012
3:00 pm
Then let the NRA pay for the increased security that might not work. As I recall, Columbine had an armed guard in their school and it wasn’t so effective. We need limits on guns and who can purchase them and everyone who buys a gun from anyone needs to have a background check. And, if a person buys a gun and then lets someone else use it to committ a crime, that gun owner needs to be prosecuted for negliance and reckless indifference.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
Towncrier: I’ll get to your original post later and withhold comment until I read it.
“There is no evidence to support the idea that more guns equals more safety.”
I think if you examine the murder rates and gun ownership of ALL western countries, you will find there is no necessary correlation between the number of guns and the amount of gun violence.
Whereas you may use that information to say this is as far as we need to examine, and therefore we should change nothing, I would beg to differ and insist you are not looking at the big picture.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
T. Crier — “In reality, probably not an insult with much bite”
I’m friends with several of the big wheels in a statewide Alabama homeschooling association (whatever they’re calling themselves these days), and our perceptions clearly differ. Let’s leave it at that.
Tom Middleton
December 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
And the only good CEO of the NRA is a bad CEO of the NRA, especially the first time one of his thugs kills an innocent at a neighborhood school.
Now that’s getting the Christmas spirit, Wayne, and a Merry Insanity to you, too!
Recon 0311 2533
December 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
And then you turn around and vote for politicians who defund critical mental health programs. And who then turn around and vote to fund tax cuts to people who dont need it.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Obama cut those proposals out of his budget.
tm
December 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
Can anyone tell me what gun is not an assault weapon?? It would appear to me if I being shot at any type of gun would be an assualt weapon regardless of its size or type.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
td: He can take it down if he likes, and you can continue to believe that somehow this proves everything you ever said about the left. You can ignore the idea that I rarely, if ever, get like that. I am NOT sorry, though, and if necessary will state my position in a different way, but that will make no difference as it matters not what language I use – your mind is made up. I know it and you know it. So why should I care to moderate my language about it?
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
“The left isn’t interested in solving societal issues they’re only interested in their ideological causes. This is evidenced by their refusal to consider reasonable solutions to protecting our children and improving our mental health treatment programs along with censorship of videos with violent content. All I’ve seen on this forum from left wing posters is anti-gun nut rhetoric about banning guns while they ignore objective proposed solutions to protecting our children. Shameful”
I guess I can see now why in the past I resorted to baiting responses from the liberals here by interjecting aspersions upon liberalism because it seems whenever ( today) I have simply made a point or argument on its own merits, it is simply ignored. No one wishes to debate the points or arguments I made. They just go on as you say, in an ironically Hannity-esque fashion, of beating that ideological drum. So it appears that civil debate in nearly impossible here. Most of the posters here – on the left and right – are “ankle-biters”. I do not respect them. But I do respect those with whom I have had even some nasty exchanges (JHM, Brosephus, TBS, Adam and the like) when there is nonetheless a sincere level of real debate going on at least some of the time.
Cloudodust
December 21st, 2012
3:04 pm
History lesson on gun control : Country/Enacted/results dead from their goverment’s actions : Soviet Union/1929/20 million… Turkey/1911/1.5 Armenians… Germany/1938/13 million Jews and others… China/1935/20 million… Guatemala/1964/100,000… Uganda/1970/300,000… Cambodia/1956/1,000,000…Yep, it works wonderfully, huh..? There is a reason our Forefathers thought this thing thru and so should you that want to nickel and dime our way into chaos.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
“The left isn’t interested in solving societal issues they’re only interested in their ideological causes.”
That speaks volumes.
josef
December 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
CRIER
I get tickled every time somebody comes in with that “home schooled” one, as if all home schooled fit a certain mold and all are so schooled for the same reason. The first convention-fair that I ever went to, I was bowled over by the range of individuals shopping for curricula and the range of curricula offered, everything from the most fundamentalist Christian/Muslim/Jewish conservative to the unabashed and unapologetic Marxist. I do some curriculum development for home schooling parents, and, again, the range of what they are after can be amazing…also, good money!
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
3:06 pm
“Whereas you may use that information to say this is as far as we need to examine, and therefore we should change nothing, I would beg to differ and insist you are not looking at the big picture.”
Read my initial post and we can pick up the discussion.
larry
December 21st, 2012
3:06 pm
As I recall, Columbine had an armed guard in their school and it wasn’t so effective.
You mean, the NRA would propose something thats not effective?
Of course, you point that out to them, they’ll say two armed guards and when that doesnt work, they’ll say three, and so on …………
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
To Rockerbabe’s point this might just be another BIG Tobacco kind of fight.
Surely you intellectually honest Republicans (and plenty of southern Democrats too) remember that battle?
You manipulated idiots fought for years to fund them and their message that cigarettes don’t kill people.
Yes, perhaps it is time to force the gun makers and the NRA to pay some of their ill-gotten, cop-killing profits back to society just like BIG Tobacco does now…
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
“So it appears that civil debate in nearly impossible here”
What civil debate. Liberals crying to take away my rights is not a civil debate that is war.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
Towncrier: Disclaimer: I appreciate the respect and its mutual. I am saying that as I am being kicked out of my office early because they are fumigating LOL
I’ll be back to read your first post.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
Towncrier — “I guess I can see now why in the past I resorted to baiting responses from the liberals here by interjecting aspersions upon liberalism because it seems whenever ( today) I have simply made a point or argument on its own merits, it is simply ignored. No one wishes to debate the points or arguments I made. They just go on as you say, in an ironically Hannity-esque fashion, of beating that ideological drum. So it appears that civil debate in nearly impossible here. Most of the posters here – on the left and right – are “ankle-biters”. I do not respect them.”
I think you’ll find that you’re not particularly respected by many of the liberal posters here, at least in part due to your own history of often making ideological, ‘ankle-biting’ posts and not responding to some of *our* arguments made in good faith.
If you don’t like others posting that way at you, then perhaps you should refrain from doing it yourself.
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
Once the liberals get their way, the muzzle loader may be the only legal gun.
josef
December 21st, 2012
3:09 pm
JHM
I didn’t quote from the Constitution. I quoted from the Declaration of Independence, written by those “founding fathers” you said did not mention armed insurrection as a “right.”
larry
December 21st, 2012
3:09 pm
Military assault rifles are already not legal for most citizens to own.
So i cant go to a gun show and buy an assult rifle here in the state of Ga?
Towncrier
December 21st, 2012
3:10 pm
“I get tickled every time somebody comes in with that “home schooled” one, as if all home schooled fit a certain mold and all are so schooled for the same reason.”
Agreed. Almost as if public education (where does ours now rank in the world?) was the gold standard and anyone seeking a different path is stupid or foolish. Did you happen to click on the provided link to see how many accomplished people were mainly “home schooled”?
How are you doing, by the way? I wish you well.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
3:11 pm
“You manipulated idiots fought for years to fund them and their message that cigarettes don’t kill people.”
I dont remember that exactly as you put it but liberal reading comprehension is suspect. I do remember reading that the public was informed and thus it became a personal responsibility to use a legal product. The case was tried in California and that should tell you plenty.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
3:11 pm
josef — “I do some curriculum development for home schooling parents, and, again, the range of what they are after can be amazing…also, good money!”
FWIW, I think that’s *exactly* the reason the folks I know are involved with it. And they seem much more motivated by the money than by any sort of altruism or love of knowledge.
Not saying that’s universal, by any means, but caveat emptor applies as much to home schooling as it does to public schooling.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
3:11 pm
inidgo:
Who pays for them?
We all do. I say add teachers and staff (if they volunteer) and that is no extra cost.
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
3:11 pm
Tom Middleton
December 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
The shooter was a NRA Member?
getalife
December 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
getalife, don’t be a bully.
I am bullish on America.
Jefferson
December 21st, 2012
3:12 pm
The idea that the writers of the constitution are all that wise on everything is not the case, times change.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
3:13 pm
larry:
For your personal edification if you are “truly” looking for studies done on the issue:
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/12/18/invincible-ignorance-n1468784/page/full/
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-12-19.html#read_more
O.K. ……….. I’m out for the afternoon.
Everyone be nice.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
3:14 pm
josef — “I didn’t quote from the Constitution. I quoted from the Declaration of Independence, written by those “founding fathers” you said did not mention armed insurrection as a “right.”
Not as a right under the Constitution, no. The poster I was speaking to earlier said (IIRC) that he had a Constitutional right to overthrow a tyrannical government.
FWIW, I hope he was speaking of the US and not some other country (!!!), but even if he was talking about the US, the Founders didn’t make it out to be a *constitutional* right, as he said.
Jay
December 21st, 2012
3:14 pm
Thanks for the heads up, TD.
Adam, that was over the top, and I suspect you know that. It has been pulled down. Please don’t repeat that kind of thing.
Folks, I understand that this kind of discussion gets passionate, but let’s remain respectful of each other. The lack of that basic respect is part of our larger problem.
josef
December 21st, 2012
3:14 pm
williebkind
“What civil debate. Liberals crying to take away my rights is not a civil debate that is war.”
And, once again, I will draw your attention to the fact that among the most vociferous of the gun rights advocates right here on the blog are some of the most vociferous liberals, and vice-versa some of the most strident in calling for a ban have been some of the most strident conservatives.
That, to me anyway, says a lot about how this debate defies easy left-right/conservative-liberal boxing, showing just how complex and how multi-layered the discussion is…
getalife
December 21st, 2012
3:14 pm
Great to see the right’s hero’s NRA, grover and the tea party getting marginalized.
Change.
indigo
December 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
josef – 2:56
So, poor, disadvantaged black kids get armed security while upper middle-class mostly white kids in Newport get to go down in a hail of murderous gunfire.
Looks like the racial double-standard in America is even larger than I thought.
And, I’ll bet most whites in the Atlanta area, like me, have never heard of “resource officers).
josef
December 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
JAY
“The lack of that basic respect is part of our larger problem.”
Your mouth to G-d’s ears.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
3:16 pm
I, too am out for the day; my rheumatologist awaits.
Hopefully I won’t be going back on the injectable biologics (fingers crossed).
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
3:16 pm
…public education (where does ours now rank in the world?)…
Are you referring to Paul Broun who sits on the US House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and who told the people at Liberty Baptist Church a couple of months ago that “evolution, embryology, and the Big Bang are lies straight from the pit of Hell”?
To that point, when a huge percentage of Republicans have no basic respect for science, yes we do have a HUGE, globally cooled education problem in this country…
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
3:16 pm
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
3:08 pm
How are the NRA’s profits “ill gotten” Jam?
Jay
December 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
Right, Indigo. Those inner-city kids from poor neighborhoods get ALL the breaks!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
Missed this earlier:
Let’s say that if you’ve got a valid seasonal hunting license or a business license as a guide/hunter/trapper (maybe you take well-heeled bidnessmen on big-game hunting trips), you’re permitted to purchase more ammo than Andy Suburbia would be allowed to. Fair?
Oh, hell yeah. It shouldn’t be terribly difficult to show a requirement for more ammo, I wouldn’t think.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
“To that point, when a huge percentage of Republicans have no basic respect for science”
So science is right if it is a theory….gotcha
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
3:19 pm
As far as gun restrictions, I don’t have a problem with semi-auto guns and rifles as long as they are kept inside the home or on your own property.
However, I don’t think large capacity semi-autos are necessary outside of the home or property.
That doesn’t sound unreasonable to me and I support gun rights.
Just my 2 cents.
LOL
December 21st, 2012
3:20 pm
I realize that most of you liberals cannot comprehend what I am about to say but I’ll try anyway. When you ban guns then only the criminals will have them. None of these shootings have been committed by a law abiding gun owner; not all of these shootings have been done by an “Assault Gun”. Columbine happened during the last “Assault Gun” ban. Everyone of these disturbed individuals ceased their attack when confronted by Law Enforcement, or in the Portland case; a civilian with a concealed carry permit. I can understand wanting to limit the size of the magazines, I can even support Registration for these so called “Assault Weapons”. But banning these guns is futile, all of the studies I have seen prove that. Hell slap a large fee for registration and use it to put a Police Officer or an Armed and Trained guard in every school. Not even these measures will stop every determined lunatic but they will think twice before they enter another school.