NRA hasn’t changed its blustering self
I had to smile, and not happily, when I read this from Politico:
“The National Rifle Association stunned Washington observers Friday when the group’s CEO announced a plan to install armed guards at every school in the country — its response to the Connecticut shooting last week that left 20 children dead…
… Close observers had expected the NRA to strike a more cooperative tone at the unusual press conference, as pressure is mounting in Washington for reform.”
I don’t know who these “close observers” might be, but most people who have paid attention to the NRA over the years are not stunned or surprised in the least. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” NRA executive Wayne LaPierre told the press conference, in statements that could have been scripted five years ago.
LaPierre did make valid points in his statement about the need to improve school security and, oddly, about the dangerous Cult of Guns. But he made not the slightest nod toward even addressing the role played by the easy availability of high-powered weaponry. He and other NRA officials also refused to take questions afterward.
Personally, I take that as a good sign. It looked to me as though LaPierre and his friends are a bit worried this time and afraid to engage in the debate, fearful that at moments such as this, their bumper-sticker rhetoric won’t play well in front of a general audience.
Anything to change the subject, right Wayne?
– Jay Bookman
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Jefferson
December 21st, 2012
1:14 pm
Ban all handguns and automatic rifles. Shotguns and bolt or pump rifles will give you all the rights you need.
Automatic jail for violations.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:15 pm
“Didn’t President Reagan have an armed guard (or 20) nearby?”
He had many more than that ………….. and they were there not to 100% prevent an attack ……… that’s impossible even for the president ………. but to MINIMIZE it if one should start !
getalife
December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
The Mother was the good guy with guns?
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
the NRA leadership looked really dumb and scared
That’s because it is.
I think we’re experiencing one of those “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain” moments with this supposedly baddass, formidable opponent. Just because a bunch of lawmakers have been stupid enough to do their bidding in the past, doesn’t mean they have to do so in perpetuity, and maybe our children is learning.
DebbieDoRight - Enough Is Enough Already; BAN The Assault Rife.
December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
Scout – Progressive people, (and I know that’s a bad word to you), think of the what-ifs FIRST in order to, (here’s another bad word), PREVENT things from happening.
For example:
Brakes on cars — I’m sure while Ford or whomever was designing the car someone had the thought, “Hey! What if the person would want to STOP the car? How can we add that feature into the design?”
You see my point?
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
This is 5 good reasons that’s libs have no place at the table for debate on gun issues. The is blatant infringement on law abiding citizens….
1. A requirement that all gun owners go through a basic training and testing on gun safety every year. Paid for with fees to re-register the gun each year.
2. A requirement that all guns being registered include a gun lock.
3. A requirement that all guns used in a violent crime is also a felony for the owner of the gun if the owner claims they “lost” it.
4. A requirement that all gun magazines contain no more than 10 bullets.
5. A tax on bullets of $2/bullet.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
Jefferson:
Brilliant but Unconstitutional.
By the way: A couple of saw-offed 12 guage pumps can create probably more carnage in the same time frame than a semi-automatic pistol or rifle.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
Real Scooter,
You need a history lesson son. The brownshirts were from Hitler’s crew and they were ‘placed’ in areas around the cities to make sure things ran as Hitler wanted. They used fear and intimidation to push their agenda. Oh, and Hitler wasn’t a leftwinger either.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
“That simply won’t fly and infringes on our 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Why should someone who only has a gun for protection purposes have to go to all the trouble of re-registering yearly and take a safety class???”
Those suggestions all still allow people to bear arms. How do they infringe on the second amendment? The rights are not unlimited.
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:18 pm
Tax???? Don’t was have enough taxes????
5. A tax on bullets of $2/bullet.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
Debbie Do:
You are missing my point.
Brakes are good to prevent a crash but you need a seatbelt DURING a crash !
Now I ask you again, what do you propose for stopping an active shooter DURING an attack.
P.S.
What about my career do you think I am not truthful about?
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
Rick C:
It forces people that only use a gun fro protection to pay money yearly just for the right to have a gun… How hard is that to understand? The gubmint already hinders us enough….
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
skip, one answer,
Posse Comitatus Act.
Scootter, ask the police chiefs all around this country who continue to fight AGAINST the NRA and their policies “that have undermined enforcement of our gun laws and helped criminals and gun traffickers obtain illegal firearms and fueled the recent surge in gun violence.”
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
Christian Conservative,
With that answer I don’t believe you are either. The constitution says that you can own a weapon but it doesn’t say that reasonable rules can’t be put in place to make sure you know how to use said weapon. Just as the Supremes found that the 1st Amendment isn’t absolute the 2nd Amendment isn’t either.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
P.S.S.
I’m not just asking Debbie:
What should be done to stop an active shooter in a school BEFORE police arrive ??
Escaped from Email Purgatory
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
““The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”
That’s true, but you can back it up a step and ask yourself how you keep a bad guy from getting a gun in the first place?
And oh, yeah, how do we know who all the bad guys are – particularly bad guys in training? They’re not all conveniently certified as criminal or insane – or criminally insane – until they commit mass murder, usually with themselves as their final victim.
A truly motivated bad guy can get a gun – probably any kind of gun he covets – regardless to the gun laws.
But does that mean a ferret-faced miscreant like Lanza would have stopped masturbating long enough to focus his considerable intellect on a means of procuring the Bushmaster if he’d had to exert more effort than just fetching it from his mother’s closet?
Seems we’ve got a better chance of limiting access to mass killing machines than we do identifying and eliminating / confining tomorrow’s mass killers.
The U S of A will still be a better place if every civilian-owned assault rifle is purchased/confiscated and melted down – and future sales prohibited.
Should Americans have a right to such weapons? Perhaps. A woman should be able to jog alone in Central Park at midnight too. But practical experience indicates an inherent risk rife with disastrous consequences.
It’s time to let go of assault weapons. They won’t be missed that much.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
cc, Air Iran’s gubmint is ready when you are…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
NRA Proposal (with pix):
http://www.startrek.com/database_article/piece-of-the-action-a
Khalid
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
Eliminating 200-300 million individually owned firearms is a fantasy, plus there’s that messy little detail called the Second Amendment.
Actually the NRA idea of having an armed guard in every school makes eminent good sense.
If you reject the idea of fortifying school campuses and you embrace a pie in the sky chimera like “gun control” then you’re just saying we will do nothing.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
A high tax on bullets (or guns) discriminates against the poor.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:21 pm
“It forces people that only use a gun fro protection to pay money yearly just for the right to have a gun… How hard is that to understand? The gubmint already hinders us enough….”
Just because you disagree with that, it doesn’t infringe on the second amendment.
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
I honestly think libs are afraid to tackle the mental health aspect of this tragedy. If you think about it though if we make it mandatory for people who act crazy to be evaluated there wouldn’t be any shows for them to watch on MessNBC….
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
Rick C:
It does to me and millions of other Americans…..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
Khalid:
THANK YOU.
Just about every liberal on here rejects that but they seem to be fine with magnetometers and ARMED GUARDS in inner city schools.
Are they discriminating against suburban/country schools ?
curious
December 21st, 2012
1:23 pm
Probably been posted earlier.
Now that the NRA has put forth a plan to secure the school, will they next suggest armed guards at Churches, Movie houses, fast food joints, shopping malls, etc.?
At colleges and universities such as VA Tech we’ll need an armed guard at every classroom, since the armed campus police weren’t johnny on the spot.
The gun lobby must be loving this.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
Well now, there you go….so now we have screenings at the bus stops (cause you have to protect the kids at the bus stops) and then in the schools (cause not everyone rides the bus) and then you have armed guards to hope that they are in the right area at the right time (and they are not shot first) and if in the process a few innocents get shot or wounded by police, volunteers or other guards, that’s acceptable collateral damage…. but hey remember that if that military assault rifle will be available to protect against some crazy claim of tyranny… that school shooting is okay.
Seems the Red Dawn Wolverines sure do go the long absurd route to failure every day without any evidence that somehow they can stop anything DURING these attacks which are increasing in frequency.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
CC, the second amendment says nothing about taxing or regulation. Only that people have the right to bear arms. That would still be very much in tact.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:24 pm
O.K. …………. next question:
Should armed guards in our inner-city crime ridden area schools be withdrawn? After all, in an attempt to stop an armed gang member, street thug or active shooter they could accidentally shoot an innocent student !
curious
December 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
All of you thinking the NRA is on top of this are the same ones that knew Romney had it locked up.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:25 pm
” Oh, and Hitler wasn’t a leftwinger either.”
Yes, he was! He turned the means of production over to theworkers!!!
Oh…wait…
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:26 pm
Christian Conservative,
The libs have never been more willing to tackle the mental health aspect of this issue. But the NRA made sure that the law of the land would allow someone who is already declared to be mentally ill to still buy a gun.
So who is really afraid to tackle this issue? We ‘libs’ having trying for decades and the NRA takes it to a whole new level of crazy each time.
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 21st, 2012
1:26 pm
Breaking news…
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069042-four-killed-including-gunman-in-shooting-incident-in-pennsylvania-three-troopers-injured?lite
I think I know the answer. We need to teach these idiots to reverse the order of their shooting victims. Start with themselves.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
Kcin,
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
INDIANA (not Texas):
“Every superintendent I talked to told me that their district is at least exploring the possibility of armed guards in schools. ”
http://www.1160wccs.com/news/Channels/Story.aspx?ID=1847682
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall:
Forcing people to pay the gubmint more money and hindering them by forcing them to take a yearly safety class won’t pass the smell test even with the current Supreme Court…. The gubmint is already way ti involved in our live as is…
With that answer I don’t believe you are either. The constitution says that you can own a weapon but it doesn’t say that reasonable rules can’t be put in place to make sure you know how to use said weapon. Just as the Supremes found that the 1st Amendment isn’t absolute the 2nd Amendment isn’t either.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
C. Conservative — “I honestly think libs are afraid to tackle the mental health aspect of this tragedy.”
Actually, it’s historically been hidebound religious ideologues such as yourself who are afraid to admit that such a thing as mental health even *exists.* Remember, exorcisms weren’t a therapeutic method found in the DSM — they were a means to casting out them old make-ya-act-crazy demons, right?
“If you think about it though if we make it mandatory for people who act crazy”
Define “crazy.” Then define “deviant.”
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:27 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:17 pm
I’m not a historian but I do realize that.But weren’t they also making sure that noone was armed unless authorized to be? May be you need the history lesson son.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
East Cobb Rhino:
“I think I know the answer. We need to teach these idiots to reverse the order of their shooting victims. Start with themselves.”
You make an excellent point. The sooner we can get the active shooters to commit suicide (usually they do) the better !
Many times that occurs when they hear police sirens, see that first officer ……….. what about when they see that first gun pointed at them ?
bookman parrot
December 21st, 2012
1:29 pm
to pointless Brosephus™
December 21st, 2012
1:02 pm
schools already have resource officers in them. so i’m not seeing this increased liability you speak of .
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:29 pm
“Eliminating 200-300 million individually owned firearms is a fantasy, plus there’s that messy little detail called the Second Amendment.”
That’s why no one on this blog has proposed it, so WTF are you talking about?
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:30 pm
“What new law would have prevented this the horrific tragedy that happened Jay? Its a simple question…”
Several:
1. A requirement that all gun owners go through a basic training and testing on gun safety every year. Paid for with fees to re-register the gun each year.
ans: Do the mentally ill have to have all this training? So I pay for the mentally ill to learn gun safety…haha
2. A requirement that all guns being registered include a gun lock.
ans: What a stupid idea?
3. A requirement that all guns used in a violent crime is also a felony for the owner of the gun if the owner claims they “lost” it.
ans: Another stupid idea, it would turn into a useless law like tax loopholes. Also, your punishing me for the crime of another. yep that is stupid.
4. A requirement that all gun magazines contain no more than 10 bullets.
ans: Yeah it sure is better to kill just 10 kids instead of 20. another stupid idea.
5. A tax on bullets of $2/bullet.
ans: Just like a liberal to tax someone so they are deprived of their constitutional rights.
Pick 3 to start.
They are all stupid ideas.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:31 pm
CC, your argument is boiling down to “I disagree with these measures so they are unconstitutional.”
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
1:31 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall:
That’s simply not true. The NRA is all for passing common sense rules that prohibit crazy people from owning guns. Its up to law enforcement to enforce the laws we have on the books now. One point that is being missed is that the current law worked with Lanza. He tried to buy a gun a few weeks ago and was turned down… Where’s that story…. But still one question still hasn’t been answered. What law would prevent this crime form happening???
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:31 pm
Unreal Scooter,
Sorry dude, thanks for playing and you can put your pencil down. Uh..you’re wrong on every item. Give it up.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
“He argued that if banks and members of Congress can have protection, schools across America should be afforded the same security.”
He left out the President, Vice President, former presidents, Heads of all Cabinet level agencies, foreign heads of state visiting the U.S., governors, mayors, inner-city schools courthouses, airports …………. the list is endless.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/21/nra-chief-urges-armed-guards-in-every-school-dismisses-calls-for-gun-control/#ixzz2FiF6jRUi
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
All of you thinking the NRA is on top of this are the same ones that knew Romney had it locked up.
Totaly wrong curious! I knew all along Obama would be re-elected and I didn’t vote for Romney.
Try again!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:33 pm
bookman parrot:
THANK YOU !
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
1:33 pm
Since when did it become a binary question…..
Senior Digits is looking sillier than usual trying to force simplistic “either/or” questions to complex issues that take a multilayer answer. Might as well ask “Do you walk to school or carry your lunch? Yes or no.”
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:33 pm
“Those suggestions all still allow people to bear arms. How do they infringe on the second amendment? The rights are not unlimited.”
Neither is the first amendment so stop repeating what others tell you.
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:33 pm
CC,
Look it up – Google is your friend. Just like the NRA made sure that someone on the terror watch list can still buy a gun.
But to your earlier statement regarding the cost of training and licensing. We do that now with cars and professional certificates. You’ve got to renew them and prove you still have the skills to use them or perform the necessary actions with it. Why are guns any different?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:34 pm
I’m still waiting:
1) Should armed security be withdrawn from inner-city crime ridden area schools ?
2) What should be done to minimize a school shooting (or mall, church or whatever) from the time the shooter starts until the police arrive ?
Note: Not BEFORE or AFTER but ……….. DURING the shooting !
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:34 pm
“C. Conservative — “I honestly think libs are afraid to tackle the mental health aspect of this tragedy.”
Involuntary incarceration for everyone who doesn’t act like me! If he’s crazy, he doesn’t HAVE any rights!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:35 pm
“Why are guns any different?”
Because unlike cars, guns are part of the “Bill of Rights”.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:36 pm
“helped criminals and gun traffickers obtain illegal firearms and fueled the recent surge in gun violence.”
Like Fast and Furious? The gubmint can do it as long as liberals are in charge.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:37 pm
Good Fight:
Please see my 1:34.
What would you do if you were in that school when it started ??
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
“Totaly wrong curious! I knew all along Obama would be re-elected and I didn’t vote for Romney.”
that means you probably voted for Obama–another moron.
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:31 pm
Please prove me wrong Fly.I’m always willing to learn.
DannyX
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
What a week it has been for the GOP!
Grover Norquist, NRA, and the Fox and Friends ‘War on Christmas’ interview with Santa Clause.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
“Yeah it sure is better to kill just 10 kids instead of 20. another stupid idea”
Willieb is another one – if it doesn’t reduce the body count (or deficit) to zero, he’s not interested. If he can’t have perfection, he wants it just like it is.
Some of us think a reduced body count (or deficit) would be a GOOD thing. *shrug*
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
williebkind, real shocking that you couldn’t answer my question.
amx
December 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
0311 – a person is tied to the train tracks and in the path of an oncoming train. You can’t get to them in time to untie them, but you can throw a switch that routes the train down another track. Unfortunately, that will cause the train to crash into another train, killing dozens of people. What do you do? See – anybody can ask a stupid question that’s hard to answer, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s way to easy for nuts to get their hands on firearms.
curious
December 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:32 pm
All of you thinking the NRA is on top of this are the same ones that knew Romney had it locked up.
“Totaly wrong curious! I knew all along Obama would be re-elected and I didn’t vote for Romney.
Try again!”
Sorry Scooter. You might be the one exception.
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
1:39 pm
“You’ve got to renew them and prove you still have the skills to use them or perform the necessary actions with it”
Someone said something like this the other day. When I got my first drivers license I was 16 and I had to take a driving test first. I’m now 61 and have NEVER had to “reprove” my driving skills. Just pay the fee on time and get a new license.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
I honestly think libs are afraid to tackle the mental health aspect of this tragedy.
And YOU aren’t???
Please do share your tackling this aspect…
massachusetts refugee
December 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
by this time next year there’ll be nearly 70K troops home from afghanistan looking for something to do. deploy them. at least they know how to use a weapon.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
“but it doesn’t say that reasonable rules can’t be put in place to make sure you know how to use said weapon.”
It does not say it can either so it should not. Why are you liberals want to disarm Americans? You do not have the 2nd Am. for protection of criminals only but from a gov. that becomes so horrible and overbearing that the gov. must be put down. Do you think the gov. is going to use musket loaders?
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:42 pm
0311 – zero,
Ok, I’ll bite,
1. No, it’s the environment silly, not someone walking up armed to the teeth.
2. Too late, nothing can be done at that point. Even your armed volunteer is now dead but I’m sure you felt safe for a while.
The answer is to work on this issue from a number of different points. Take away the guns? Heck no that’s not what most of us want. We just want to be able to have a bit more control at the common sense level. No one needs an AR-15 or similar weapon. 72% of NRA members support the idea of a background check on all gun purchases. The issue is with the NRA leadership and the gun manufacturers (the death lobby as I’m now going to start calling them). They just want more money so they gin up the discussions by using fear. How sick are these death merchants who constantly push their agenda of fear to the point that people are afraid of their own FREELY ELECTED government?
tm
December 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
!.. A requirement that all parents go through a basic training and testing on how to recognize your child is crazy and a threat to the public. Paid for with fees to re-register the child each year.
2. A requirement that all Children being registered include a mental exam.
3. A requirement that all Children convicted of a violent crime is also a felony for the parent.
4. A requirement that all video game guns can shoot no more than 10 bullets.
5. A tax on Children of $2OO to set up a victim fund for those killed by under 25 years of age.
Pick 3 to start.
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
As I was saying downstairs, I was in the doctor’s office waiting room during the statement. It was surreal. I don’t know what I was expecting, but I was hoping it wouldn’t be what I was hearing. When Jay and I were exchanging views the other day on when is the proper time to be bringing up such things as the availability of such weapons, he said, and sadly I had to agree, that the only time it would be possible was during the heat of the emotional moment, that once it was off page 1 24/7 it would be right back to the same old same old. La Pierre’s comments today pretty much show that what Jay was making a point of is the case. Sadly.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
Senior Digits, you are a silly boy. First, you start with keeping military assault style rifles off the street to begin with. You have failed to answer the questions about WHY you need these assault weapons to begin with. They are NOT for home protection, they are NOT for hunting. Your sole reason for these weapons is to kill government officials at some point that you believe you determine is “tyrannical”. That’s just crazy and if that is your stated argument, YOU are too crazy to have a gun at all. And I do mean, you personally.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
Hey I know of a mentally ill person voted for Obama. We should void the election.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
1:43 pm
“helped criminals and gun traffickers obtain illegal firearms and fueled the recent surge in gun violence”.
Yes, exactly as you want it, willie.
Otherwise you would have written otherwise. And you didn’t.
YOU are the problem. At least according to those police chiefs around this country…
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
lol willie!!! I didn’t vote for Obama either!! And I will not be rude and call you a moron.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
The NRA is all for passing common sense rules that prohibit crazy people from owning guns
The NRA is all for passing legislation that prevents us from using ATF information for statistical analysis.
The NRA is all for passing legislation that prevents the country’s most skilled epidemiologists, the CDC, from studying the effectiveness of gun control.
So spare me your garbage about “common sense rules.”
curious
December 21st, 2012
1:44 pm
Any suggestions how guns can be kept out of the hands of irresponsible people?
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:45 pm
“it would be possible was during the heat of the emotional moment,”
That is a SYMPATHY LAW.
Pizzaman
December 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
So typical of the national ridiculous association to seek to add more guns to the equation.
Mr. “La Pee In The Air” have you ever been shot at? How many of your nra brethren have been shot at by a real bad guy? My guess is No to question one and extremely few to question two.
NO training, no matter how comprehensive, will ever train someone how to react when the target is alive and shooting back. The answer is no assault weapons, more, more more training and a license for every gun sold (no “gun show” loophole). It may not stop or prevent anything but it couldn’t hurt. And remember: It’s a whole different game when it’s human with a gun.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:46 pm
A SYMPATHY LAW does nothing but take away rights.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:47 pm
“It does not say it can either so it should not. Why are you liberals want to disarm Americans? You do not have the 2nd Am. for protection of criminals only but from a gov. that becomes so horrible and overbearing that the gov. must be put down. Do you think the gov. is going to use musket loaders?”
The SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that the rights granted in the constitution are not unlimited. You may disagree with that, but they are the ones who have been given the power to interpret the laws. And their interpretation makes sense. Otherwise, we would have the freedom to do anything under the guise of freedom of religion.
Rick C
December 21st, 2012
1:47 pm
tm, all you cons bring to the argument are ridiculous false equivalencies.
resno2
December 21st, 2012
1:48 pm
Would someone please explain how banning guns will, or would have helped?
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:49 pm
“Do you think the gov. is going to use musket loaders?”
Willieb – do you think the gubmint is gonna use semi-autos? *sheesh*
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December 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
amx @ 1:39
“0311 – a person is tied to the train tracks and in the path of an oncoming train. You can’t get to them in time to untie them, but you can throw a switch that routes the train down another track. Unfortunately, that will cause the train to crash into another train, killing dozens of people. What do you do?”
I ask you this:
A a passenger car full of children is on the train tracks and in the path of an oncoming train. You can’t get to them in time to unload them, but you can throw a switch that routes the train down another track. Unfortunately, that will cause the train to crash into someone working on that track. What do you do?”
And then I will ask this:
From the time a shooting starts (and there will be more) until the police arrive ………. what do you do?
fedup
December 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
Well ill informed cons are happy that the gov will have a hard time getting their semi automatics. Did not have the heart to tell them if they take up arms against the government the CIA has unmanned drones. With a few punch of keys their address can be locked in. Just ask the Talibans.
curious
December 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
Continue defending the undefendable and soon you won’t have any guns.
This whole discussion is similar to the fiscal cliff discussion.
My way or no way.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:50 pm
“NO training, no matter how comprehensive, will ever train someone how to react when the target is alive and shooting back”
Now I see you have been the pizza parlor all your life. Many of neighbors and friends have dealt with that in our community and especially in the military. What another moron.
too little time
December 21st, 2012
1:51 pm
1. A requirement that all gun owners go through a basic training and testing on gun safety every year. Paid for with fees to re-register the gun each year.
2. A requirement that all guns being registered include a gun lock.
3. A requirement that all guns used in a violent crime is also a felony for the owner of the gun if the owner claims they “lost” it.
4. A requirement that all gun magazines contain no more than 10 bullets.
5. A tax on bullets of $2/bullet.
Definition of “infringe”:
v. in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es. v.tr. 1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent. 2. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate.
You cannot constitutionally obsolete, defeat, or invalidate the right to keep and bear firearms. Options 1, 3, 5 are blatantly unconstitutional. #2 might not pass muster as well. #4 is possible.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
1:51 pm
by this time next year there’ll be nearly 70K troops home from afghanistan looking for something to do. deploy them. at least they know how to use a weapon.
Hello?
Has anyone heard of the United States federal law called the Posse Comitatus Act?
Krystal'sBalls
December 21st, 2012
1:51 pm
A couple of thoughts..
1) Placing a ridiculous “tax” or cost on ammunition will only seek to create an underground market for ammo, and create new business opportunities for reloaders and stockpilers.Plus I”m sure China would be more than happy to oblige in supplying all the ammo black market requires. Oh and another thing….consider the increase in federal spending due to the cost of the MILITARY ammo.
2) I believe in having the right to own and carry if you are mentally sound and law abiding. I would have been totally happy with just having a handgun or even shotgun in my residence for protection. However, a few years ago when things really started to get crazy with MULTIPLE PERSON ROBBERY CREWS brazenly kicking in people’s doors which they sit at the dinner table or around the TV, tie them up, rob them, pistol whip or even SHOOT them I had to re-evaluate. If you value you and your family’s LIFE the way that I do, you might be compelled to not chance the “compassion” of your captor. I could care less about any flat screen, ring or bracelet, or dollar in my home. I DO however care abut our lives; we have so much to live for and do. I like my chances a lot better with a 30 round capacity rifle in hand against 3 armed perps in my home than a six shooter.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
amx:
Should armed guards be withdrawn from dangerous crime ridden inner-city schools ?
Should armed guards be provided to potentially dangerous suburban schools ?
Fly-On-The-Wall
December 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
Scooter,
Here ya go – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
Notice this one little gem from the entry: its original purpose: the acquisition of political power and the suppression of the enemies of the Party.
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
Any suggestions how guns can be kept out of the hands of irresponsible people?
If anyone knew that curious we probably wouldn’t be having this arguement.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
The argument of the Red Dawn Crazies: You do not have the 2nd Am. for protection of criminals only but from a gov. that becomes so horrible and overbearing that the gov. must be put down. Do you think the gov. is going to use musket loaders?”
So who determines when government is so horrible and overbearing, cause most of you GOP clowns have been ranting this for 4 years?
YOU have no RIGHT to ARMED INSURRECTION against our government under US CONSTITUTION. The 2d Amendment is NOT a right to revolution.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
1:53 pm
“Hey I know of a mentally ill person voted for Obama. We should void the election.”
Now, willieb wants to “diagnose” who should be allowed to vote…
too little time
December 21st, 2012
1:53 pm
Continue defending the undefendable and soon you won’t have any guns.
Except for this little amendment in our Constitution. Guns are NOT going away.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
1:53 pm
williebkind, real shocking that you couldn’t answer my question”
What question?
larry
December 21st, 2012
1:53 pm
Well, if you dont have the same firepower as the shooter you are facing, then its a moot point about what anyone would do DURING the shooting.
This guy had full body armor from head to toe with an AR-15 that could fire 100 bullets in 1 minute. I doubt anyone with a handgun could have taken him out.
massachusetts refugee
December 21st, 2012
1:54 pm
jam: geez no need gettin’ all legal and technical on my a$$….
tm
December 21st, 2012
1:54 pm
While were at it we need to also out law pit bulls and other dogs that are known to harm children
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
1:54 pm
A new shooting with 3 dead and the gunman in PA