‘Now the time has come; there is no place to run’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d78K4rCEfAo

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Big Daddy

Excellent choice and one of your finer commentaries…

MEANWHILE

Have an errand to run before it gets too late…so, Armageddon outta here for a few…can’t hardly wait to get back and catch up…

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Joan Baez says it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiyXfYcqDZM

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aahhh mellow mushroom pizza n cold beer

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what a country: I love that “everything but the kitchen sink” pizza of theirs. Don’t have one any where near me. I wish.

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In your world, Jay, Betty White may be Eve but not in mine. I’m here enjoying my own reality.

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Awesome.

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Have a happy & prosperous 14th b’ak’tun.

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Loved the Chambers Bros., but the Ramones’ version, though decidedly less psychedelic, is still unmitigated joy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RtcpMpqw_U

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What if I had spent money like there was no tomorrow yesterday, and the World ended today? Would I be a genius or what?

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Woo Hoo!

Everyone can stop running now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckuc1j63AIU

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Confess to your sins infidels!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVERH404pA

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Sappy, but I like the words…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLfFOCfAlIc

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There might have been things I missed
But don’t be unkind
It don’t mean I’m blind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKI0d6TMlhM

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Well, if it’s the end of the world, I can’t think of nobody to sing it better than this one. Have a good weekend everybody.

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moonbat – TURN IT UP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA

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Moonbat,

Change:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPpDyIJdasg

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…that it is the Repubs fault?

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Tax the rich 100%. Won’t do any good at this point.

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The university of Bonn is going to run an experiment and tell us if we’re all really just brains in a vat, in the matrix, whatever

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-10/how-do-we-know-were-not-living-inside-massive-computer-simulation

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Are Mayans Dems or Repubs? Hmmm.

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We went looking the wrong place for the words of the prophets…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6cR5furQac

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Fiscal Cliff nightmare Alert: Oh, man! CNBC’s “Options Action” has a Asian female host who has been asking guests now for a half hour, “What happens to the market if A happens? What happens to the market if B happens? What happens to the market if they kick the can down the road? What happens if it’s like a little A and little B? What happens if the Mayan Calendar is right? What happens…..SHUTUP!!!!!!!

Obama about to address the nation on the Fiscal Cliff.

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time time time, see what’s become of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfjoxkhp-vE

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(forgot to mention–the Speaker can carry a cup in his hand.)

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“Think about it, and then ask yourself, do you live here, in this country, in this world, or do you live instead… in the Twilight Zone.”

Well. In my dreams, I live in Singapore.

Or on a boat. In my dreams. I must not be dreaming then…. Which means if I’m dreaming now then god is mean turkey.

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I nothing else, Boehner enjoyed a good learning experience yesterday.

And his prayer was very apropos.

Toodles!

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OK, screw the Mayans, I’m off to yet another holiday party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjcPS4ekOA

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THe Asian host of “Options Action” just asked, “what happens to the market with Plan C”. What a dope, honestly.

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Georgia
4:06 pm

Just saw Jack Reacher. Ends like 90% of movies: shoot out at the ok corral. Don’t bother. two hours long, and there’s maybe one hour of movie that doesn’t stink.
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The Jack Reacher character was created by Lee Child.

In the books the character is 6′5 and 250 LOL

Tom Cruise doesn’t quite fit that image

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSH9ryRzHQ4

I’m sure posting will be sparse over the next several days. If I miss you, I want to say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the Bookmanites. Enjoy your time celebrating your friends and family. Be safe and have a great time.

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Well, Jay, here’s one for ya: What if the earth’s coming into exact alignment with the center of the Milky Way – our galaxy – and the sun (which is what’s supposed to be happening today) would be like putting a strong magnet (the center plus the sun) against a weak magnet (the earth) with a subsequent revitalization of our magnetic field and possible polar shift. Earthquakes? Tidal Waves? Floods? Betty White dancing in spite of herself (or better yet, having the best sex since her 20s)?

And what if all that moving around wouldn’t happen in an instant (like today) but over a period of weeks, months, and possibly years, as pressure builds up from the metal in the crust trying to realign until, of course, it does?

Hey, just trying to keep the fun going for all those enjoying this Mayan stuff. And as for the Chambers Brothers, here’s the long version of “Time” for those really, really into this thing. Oh, and isn’t Atlantis supposed to be rising up as well? “Cuckoo!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpcZrQQM-4

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Common sense

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Jack Reacher. Tom is very good, and it’s interesting to see how he handles his craft with his heart obviously broken by you know who. Compare his performance to Clark Gable, after he lost his amazing wife in that horrible accident during WW2. What a loss. Carole Lombard. OMG. There’s a noticeable difference in the King of Hollywood. Nobody’s dethroned him, don’t worry…..but get a load of Clark Gable in “the misfits”. Compare that to Tom’s “Jack Reacher”. There’s a depth. There’s a tone that wasn’t there in the Mission Impossible movies. Nobody can touch the King, that will stand forever, but Tom has a new dimension in his acting, even though Jack Reacher stinks……..(disclaimer: it’s an hour and a half past miller time.)

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Thanks for that movie critic Georgia.

Kyle shut down so here come the cons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dHBjXnbtk

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Jay might be interested in this criticism of journalism. ABC news just reported that one of the those guys who climbed out of a prison window only inches wide in Chicago 17 stories high got arrested. But the report doesn’t say how those two got through the busted window only inches wide. I mean, they captured one of them, and the mystery should be solved simply by offering the captured one a carton of cigarettes or a woman if he spills, hello…….(disclaimer: I’m posting this from the pot-legal state of Colorado)…….

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getalife
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“Kyle shut down so here come the cons”

Film at 7…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSri8ruSLKE

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GEORGIA
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All right…disclaimer noted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxJCaZh9obc

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Chris Salzmann
6:48 pm

Maybe it’s like the Rapture and all the Tea Party idiots and “Conservative” Christians disappear? That would be like Christmas in……..December??? No wait………..
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You left out the song to go with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSqYh1qcAHs

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COMMON SENSE

“Mean Queens are the worst eh”

But only when they’re….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnTFNsmToHg

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I strongly suspect that the world will end sometime before midnight. We chose to ignore the NRA. I suspect we might of saved ourselves if we’d only had five or six more guns.

As to the the small chance I survive the night, remind me to get serious about my Christmas shopping,

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Kurt Cobain said everyone is gay in a song that will live forever for sho. I think he was right, but I wouldn’t have blown my head clean off after realizing it. If homosexuality is a sin against God, then we by definition of a sin are all gay, because how can you condemn one soul for an act that cant possibly be performed by a non-gay soul? We are all subject to the all knowing, all seeing, all encompassing judgement of the Lord, and it wouldn’t be a Lord any of us would want to worship if he favored one persuasion over another. No, either we’re all gay or nobody’s gay. (disclaimer: I just saw a Judy Garland marathon on TMC and it’s two hours past miller time and I’m posting from the pot-legal state of Colorado).

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(Heh. On that Bowie tv special I linked to @ 7.13, the tv censors leave in the line: “Time, prances like a whore, falls wanking to the floor.”… but bleeped when David sings “Christ, you’re looking old.”)

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georgia Maybe the start of NO GUNS in this world.

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GEORGIA

If you’re NOT gay after a Judy Garland marathon,,,,

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“Might we really be at the dawning of a new age? There are some who say we might very well be.”

This is the Christmas season ……… as He came those many years ago.

When “Messiah” comes again ………… ALL will change !

Wonderful short story and music as you have probably never considered it before :

http://www.ignitermedia.com/mini-movies/2667/The-Christmas-Scale

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“When “Messiah” comes again ………… ALL will change !”

No, you will call him liberal and crucify him again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgtN5lLLBw

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Okay, time to address what’s happened to Kyle Wingfield. Read his snowman, snow, man blog. Go head. Read it. The man cant write. He cant. He is a talking head, and he’s good. His internet debates with Jay were incredible. I couldn’t believe it was him. What a delivery. He’s a young George Wills, or he has the potential to be, but come on, readers, he can’t write. It’s torture to try to wade through any of his articles, isn’t it? Even if he makes a really good point, it’s poorly expressed. I don’t like criticizing anybody, really, I don’t, especially at my advanced age of ninety seven dog years, (please don’t do the math, this is a bit), BUT, this guy can’t write and it’s a total insult to those of us who can write, and theres lots of us unemployed losers who can write, and I think Kyle needs to join ABC’s “This Week” and follow in Cynthia Tucker’s footsteps. Sorry Kyle, but you stink as a writer, but soar as a talking head. You do. Fact, pal. Move on, and please stop trying to write like you understand the power of the printed word vs the power of the spoken word. I’m so sorry that you really really stink. OMG. do you stink. Maybe it’s not too late for you to delete your last five hundred articles……..jklol. (disclaimer: I wandered into a group sex orgy and it is three hours past miller time and I am posting from a communist country where they make you smoke pot).

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“They loved us when nobody else did…”

What did Garland say to show her love?

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getalife

She frequented the underground gay clubs and “spoke to” something, well, gay in that time and that place…a fantasy world “over the rainbow…” And Liza…”Cabaret,” what more can you say…?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Garland_as_gay_icon

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georgia Maybe the start of NO GUNS in this world.

And flying monkeys might come out of my butt.

http://youtu.be/ZGrHEUvgt30

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moonbat

oh, good…so how’s my eighties friend? Don’t know why, but this one has been stuck in my head all week…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z92bmlcmyq0

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moonbat

maybe not at woodstock, but I think that may be him on the right @ :57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw6T8tWODsI

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Good song by Beatles and Siouxsie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_x8uBUbkc

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jo,

It’s just those damn yankees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE

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Y’all temme sumpin…did Wal-Mart have a sale on t*rds today? Buy one, get two free?

Maybe. Can’t even get any holiday feeling going. Maybe this will help.

http://youtu.be/P37xPiRz1sg

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godless, loved your santa/iron man song!

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moonbat: At a company Christmas party a few years ago, I did a Bad Santa appearance. That was my entry song.

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“At a company Christmas party a few years ago, I did a Bad Santa appearance”

You da man, heathen.

Merry Christmas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYfXlMR9QA

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Thanks moonbat: Even us heathens like Christmas time. Great to see family and friends. And you get to goof off at work a lot.

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Soltice, Hannuka. Whatever.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9BZDpni56Y

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Unfortunately Jay I am sadly afraid that we will all wake up tomorrow and the world, as we know it, will still be here and we all will have to try to cope with that!
I am not sure the human race would not be better off if the Mayans were correct! A giant undiscovered comet perhaps?
p.s. (and this is true!) my older daughter and her significant other are going to be greeting the dawn tomorrow on Easter Island in the middle of the Pacific. How is that for comittment !
Merry Christmas to all, (even to you libs). yes I said it, wash my mouth out with soap!

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Shaking off the ennui

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYqIvnPvqQ

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Both sides created this disaster and both sides now have no where to hide. NO way is the gub’ment going to solve this …. ’cause the gub’ment ain’t God. Pray for a miracle.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKjFb9eB6k

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It can’t be said any better…
To all the guys who didn’t make it back from Nam and all the wars since…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQTr8ZYdhg.

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Thanks josef.

Moonbat,

pf would have attacked me ruthlessly.

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merry crimble posters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxGnP536AU

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RIP Lee Dorman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

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American Express Publishing and The Harrison Group found that 67 percent of the top one percent of American earners support higher income taxes. Their support has grown since the election. This summer, 62 percent of them supported higher taxes.

So the Republican party is not the party representing the rich but the party representing the rich scum–Adelson, the Koch boys, et al.

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Happy 22nd all y’all…no end of the world. All you survivalists can put away your Bushmasters now, yuk, yuk.

Stevie Ray,
I know you’re better than that. President Obama has been doing all he can. It isn’t his party that is in civil war. A war, I might add, that will hurt us all if they don’t come to terms soon. As to the President “bolting to Hawaii”. It is, after all, his home State. There’s no place like home for the holidays, right?
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And you said, “Another fine example of leadership…” What would you have him do, capitulate to the ideologically moronic minority that seems to be bringing down the Republican Party? If he did that, he would deserve to be Impeached.

No, we will slide over the edge and there will continue to be the bickering among the GOP, until the stark reality of what has happened hit home…then the GOP will deal in good faith with the President. But it will be too late, recession will be with us, businesses will have cut jobs to cut costs and it will be remembered in 2014 that it was the fault of a small group of ideologically insane Republicans who caused this mess…and the GOP will pay at the ballot box, giving the Democratic party a majority in each house.

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Stevie Ray – “he bolts to Hawaii”

And all the rest of Congress bolts for their home districts where the cons will trash Obama to their electorate.

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What people seem to be forgetting is that the DOORS WERE LOCKED.

Lanza shot his way into the school. Has anyone suggested bullet resistant glass near and on all doors leading into the schools.

Both that and a police presance near all schools at ALL times.

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The Feinstein Renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban which
probably won’t make it through the House. That’s all, folks.

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Peppy Wayne LePew has shown us that he still stinks as much as ever.

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The fact is that we can secure our schools and prevent tragic killings such as what occurred at Columbine and at Sandy Hook. Armed security personnel inside each school and advanced access and monitoring systems would secure the schools. Even the deranged knowing that schools are adequately secured and the chances for successfully carrying out their murder fantasy would be minimal at best would prevent them from targeting schools. We should begin there with protecting our children within their school learning environment as the highest priority. Re-instituting firearm bans on so called assault weapons and accessories won’t serve to adequately protect our children.

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Stevie Ray: Don’t you know that all spending bills are suppose to begin in the House? At least you could remember your nervous breakdown concerning the charges made from the right about the Healthcare law…that was passed! So if you want to complain, call or email the House members and tell them to get their behinds back to Washington to do their job. Who deserves a vacation when there is urgent work to be done? It begins in the House.

And by the way for the right, President Obama stays in contact with all even though he is in Hawaii, his home state! Ya’ know with phones and computers and etc.

As for the NRA response, I wonder if the new security will include machine gun nests, scud missiles and drones? Let’s have a show of force to make our children feel safe……and paranoid to boot!

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http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Frenzy-Rushes-Hulen-Mall-for-New-Air-Jordans-184433261.html

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“How many armed security guards? How many entrances? How many buildings are at the school?”

Obviously that would depend on school size and remember I included advanced access and monitoring systems.

“AND since no one on the right seem to want to raise taxes, what gets cut out of the school budget?”

It shouldn’t effect school budgets. This approach would be a lot less expensive than trying to enforce additional gun control legislation. Much of the legislation we have already on the books isn’t being enforced.

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Was Jay doing hallucinogens yesterday when he wrote his column?

That Rod Serling part was waaayyyyy out there — even for Jay.

Serling: Picture it. A Man. An every day man. A man not unlike you or me. A man caught in the throes of some strong sh##t. A man we’ll him Jay. Jay caught in the throes of some strong sh##t while waiting…………..In The Twilight Zone……

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“there is a sizeable segment of our population that is intent on avoiding any increases in taxes under most any circumstance”

I heard a report last night that to put 1 armed officer in everry school in the country would cost in the neighborhood of 6.5 billion dollars a year.

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Road Scholar: Stevie Ray: Don’t you know that all spending bills are suppose to begin in the House?

There are a LOT of people on here who need to retake (or take) Civics 101.

And to top it off, the way they pretend to know what they’re talking about regarding the Constitution and the 2nd ammendment is laughable, to say the least.

They parrot things they hear on talk radio via LimpBalls, a high school DROPOUT, and Hannity; a man who can barely SPELL constitution let alone explain it.

It’s so sad how much our nation is warped by hate, distrust, and idiocy.

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There is no good reason to arm the general public with weapons designed for the efficient killing of people. The fantasy role for these weapons seems to be the perceived need to overthrow a tyrannical evil government. Why is our government Tyrannical. Well it first of all it allows black people to use public rest rooms. It allows Muslims to build mosques, Damn it’s even allowing Gays to join the army, and hippie types to smoke pot. Tyranny I’m telling ya. It’s tyranny.

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Here’s someone else parroting what they’ve heard, probably verbatim, from the talk radio show circuit:

Recon: This issue has only occurred within our current generation, firearms have been around since the founding of our country. The question being avoided is what changes in our modern society have caused these tragic acts of violence.

Actually Recon, you’re dead wrong about that — way back in 1933 THIS was said about guns, their violence, AND the need to address out country’s “white elephant”:

Regarding the Giuseppe Zangara Trial – Superior Court Judge Uly Thompson sentanced Zangara to death, but as part of his judicial opinion, stated that unless society found a way to regulate the ownership of handguns, more senseless death will occur.

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“If it’s a teacher who volunteers to do so it would cost nothing”

And if the “teacher” is patrolling the school, they aren’t teaching. So that’s one less teacher in the school. If the teacher is teaching, they aren’t patrolling…so there’s no protection until AFTER an event begins.

“Many of our inner-city schools already have them (and have for years).”

Ok, so make it 6 billion a year. We’ll take off half-a-billion for the existing officers.

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Think that we should ban tobacco, doctors, booze, cars, drugs etc.?

No.

Think The Stupids will continue to deflect with this dumbass non-argument until we’ve been distracted by some other event?

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Brosephus – 8:46

Do you understand the difference between two armed police officers at a school door BEFORE shooters arrive and a single Deputy driving up AFTER the shooters are in the school?

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the GOV – 8:55

Would you want the child to be scared or dead?

And, from time to time the officers would come into the classrooms and talk to the kids and explain why they’re there.

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I heard a report last night that to put 1 armed officer in everry school in the country would cost in the neighborhood of 6.5 billion dollars a year.

Bigger-issue time:

I can’t believe you people are giving Wayne LaPierre’s lunatic droolings from yesterday discussion time in here. F-ck that guy. His take on this, and the small (what is it, three, four million members?) group of dead-ender a-holes who support him, should be irrelevant.

He had a chance to sound sane and he’s failed.

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Recon: Debbie, can you provide detail as to the history of recorded mass murder incidents within our nations schools. The where and when along with the names of shooters recorded in these infamous acts?

Recon – I know I shouldn’t but, hey what the heck! Let me google that for you!

Duh!

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The gun lobby likes to tell its loyal customer base that simply by owning guns, they are ready to live Hollywood fantasies where their unerring aim and the angels at their back would mean the swift putdown of a criminal who shows up ready to kill people. The reality is that it leads to shootouts that may or may not lead to the bad guy getting killed before the good guy does. The NRA’s notion that the best way to end violence is to escalate it owes way more to Westerns than reality. Gunfire exchange can and often does eventually lead to an end of a shooter going on a rampage. But it would be better if there wasn’t anything for the shooter to rampage with in the first place.

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Debbie Do:

It’s always a matter of degree.

You either to “something” to help MINIMIZE the carnage or you do “nothing”.

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No one else seems to give a damn.

I do. You don’t either, unless some fat, rich sh-thead like Limbaugh tells you it’s ok.

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stands: He had a chance to sound sane and he’s failed.

Sad, but true.

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You either to “something” to help MINIMIZE the carnage or you do “nothing”.

Then let’s start here:

Pastors Against Gun Violence

And let’s remember why:

Photos Of the Connecticut Victims

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If the principal had time to lunge at the shooter, she had time to fire off a round with a shotgun.
I think her chances of sucess would have been much greater by firing a shotgun then by lunging unarmed.

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Despite emotions, little happens legislatively after mass shootings:

The list is endless, but a good precursor of what was to become of America was the 1966 University Of Texas Bell Tower Shooting:

August 1, 1966 – Austin, Texas
Dead: 19, including the shooter
Wounded: at least 30

The University of Texas bell tower shooter, 25-year-old Charles Joseph Whitman, kills 16 people and wounds at least 30 from his perch above the university grounds. Whitman was heavily fortified with a variety of weapons when he started picking off his victims. He also shot and killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

Legislative reaction: Rather than addressing gun violence, the discussions after the crime surrounded a brain tumor that Whitman was found to have.

The governor of Texas at the time, John Connally — who had been wounded during the Kennedy assassination in Dallas in 1963 — asked for legislation requiring someone to be committed for life if they were found insane in murder and in kidnapping cases, Time Magazine reported following the shooting.

Sen. Robert Kennedy, who was later assassinated in Los Angeles while campaigning for president, asked for the same legislation at the federal level.

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This end of the world heaven sure seems a lot like the regular old world I was living in before. Not only that, but I slept through the whole world ending thing. Must’ve happened real quiet like, huh?

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Indigo:

“No, they should not be removed. However, if we all pay for them, why aren’t they in ALL schools?”

They are not in all schools for a variety of reasons including some people are just philosophically opposed to that.

There are entire school districts in Texas that have armed guards (including selected teachers) and there are other school district that would not think of having an armed guard in their schools including off-duty officers.

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In chess , white wins 52% of the time. On the surface it may appear that God’s a racist, but the real reason for whites success rate lies in the fact that it’s allowed the first move. NRA fantasies always assume that a well armed do-gooder can react faster than a better armed evil doer can act. Lots of luck with that one.

In the old west, cattle towns found that drunken cowboys were generally good for the economy, but armed drunken cowboys posed an unacceptable risk to public safety. To deal with the problem, men like Wild Bill Hitchcock took their guns away while the enjoyed the local attractions. They could have them back when they got the hell outta Dodge. You could debate the second amendment with the man if you cared to, but be advised that Old Bill lacked both patience and a fundamental understanding of the finer points of Constitutional law.

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“Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?”

He was in the other end of the building.

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Oscar: If the principal had time to lunge at the shooter, she had time to fire off a round with a shotgun.
I think her chances of sucess would have been much greater by firing a shotgun then by lunging unarmed.

First — I am appalled at your belittling of that teacher’s life. SHE WAS A HERO. Let me repeat this, SHE WAS A HERO. She gave her life, trying to save others. Could you have done the same? Probably not.

Second – By her very nature, she would not have been the type of person to shoot, kill, or harm anyone. You speak so cavalierly about her being armed, yet you didn’t even bother to research the type of person she was in life — how do i know this? Because you wouldn’t have made that asinine comment if you would have.

DAWN HOCHSPRUNG, 47, principal

On Saturday, officials in Newtown, Conn., lauded the heroism of Hochsprung, a relatively new principal, noting she had lunged toward the shooter in an attempt to overtake him before being fatally shot. A fourth-grade teacher at the school credits Hochsprung with flipping on the intercom switch, which broadcast “screaming and crying,” through the school, in order to warn teachers.

Hochsprung’s close friends aren’t surprised by the heroic actions of a woman they remember as putting her students first.

“I don’t think you could find a more positive place to bring students to every day,” Hochsprung told a local paper in 2010 when she first started at the elementary school. As news of the tragedy emerged Friday and Saturday, parents at Sandy Hook raved about a principal who truly cared about their kids—a woman who made “going to the principal’s office” a reason for excitement, not dread. “I never saw her without a smile,” Aimee Seaver, the mother of a first grader, told CNN. “I believe she had the children’s best intentions [in mind] all the time. She was always looking out for them.”

Hochsprung was a highly motivated educator, and being the principal of Sandy Hook wasn’t accomplishment enough to slow her down. Last summer, she was accepted into the doctorate program of the Esteves School of Education at the Sage Colleges in New York. The year before, she won a school grant called Sharing the Dream from the National Association of Elementary School Principals. She had also recently volunteered to co-chair the strategic planning commission for the school district.

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Brosephus – 10:17

Two police officers at that Conn. school would have saved 26 lives.

Teachers could be given a beeper device which would allow them to signal the police at the door if they heard gunfire.

As for the student with a gun in the backpack, none of the school massacers occured in this manner. It’s hard to put an assault rifle in a backpack.

You are looking at this in an “all or nothing” way. Either it is 100% effective or there is a 100% chance it won’t work.

I’m saying there is a good chance that two police officers, with police rifles, at the front doors and teachers, with devices to alert the cops if they hear gunfire, would at best kill the shooter before he ever gets into the school and, at worst, reduce the carnage from what it would have been.

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Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?

Prior to that incident, most officers were not trained to deal with active shooter situations. The training, at that time, was to set a perimeter and wait for SWAT to handle things.

Most police training is always reactive to things already encountered vs proactive training. It’s hard to imagine scenarios to train for when there is no idea of what a person is capable of doing. Until the Hollywood shootout, police weren’t accustomed to dealing with shooters covered in kevlar using automatic weapons.

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Fox News Scoops Obama’s Hawaii Roots: Big Afro, African Father, Lazy People, Pot and Prostitution

But hey, its not stereotyping.

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“Until the Hollywood shootout, police weren’t accustomed to dealing with shooters covered in kevlar using automatic weapons.”

Nor did they usually carry long-range weapons. The police in the incident were severly handicapped by having to get closer to the criminals to use the weapons they had. I’ve seen the video several times. It’s an eye-opener.

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indigo, who is arguing about banning guns? That is a clownish answer and you know it. The call is for sensible gun control and gun safety laws…well except for the idiots at NRA. But if that is the side you want to be on, have at it.

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indigo: Two police officers at that Conn. school would have saved 26 lives.

You are looking at this in an “all or nothing” way. Either it is 100% effective or there is a 100% chance it won’t work.

Ummmmm, I think you’re the one looking at this as an all or nothing situation. I have not stated such a thing. Why you insist on putting words in my mouth is beyond me, but I guess that’s your way of validating your “rebuttals”.

My view is that armed officers are no guarantee against anything. An armed officer is target #1 in an active shooter situation. Considering that this shooting happened in December in Connecticut, it’s not unbelievable that a long winter coat could hide a rifle long enough to get close enough to an officer to get the drop on him and take him out. I don’t think armed officers are a good thing, and I don’t think they are a bad thing. This idea is simply emotional knee jerk where we don’t need it.

If I walk up on you wearing a coat with this backpack here, I could likely drop you in your tracks before you realize what hit you. If you’re one of two armed officers, I have just removed half the threat with one fell swoop.

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stands: The gun lobby likes to tell its loyal customer base that simply by owning guns, they are ready to live Hollywood fantasies…..

Here’s a good article I found on line that highlights your salient points:

Do Armed Citizens Stop Mass Shootings? The consensus of the article was: Not all interventions are successful: Other armed civilians who have attempted to stop shootings have been left severely injured or have been killed.
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Scout: Do all you can BEFORE an incident but also be prepared to do all you can DURING an incident.

Please read above ^^ link. Thanks.
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Joe: Name an organization that depends of fear and terror to further their cause….

Al Queda, the Syrian government, Hamas, the NRA……

Never thought of it like that before, but that’s a really accurate statement.
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marko: To deal with the problem, men like Wild Bill Hitchcock took their guns away while the enjoyed the local attractions. They could have them back when they got the hell outta Dodge.

Another good point and an answer to a question i’ve posed on this blog several times before. Thanks!

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Keep

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by your logic, unless you undergo extensive training you should not own a gun and keep one in your house for protection because it would be effectively useless.
Now that is silly.

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The argument suggesting that it is either guards are every school or guards at no school (pulling out guards from inner city schools) is another silly oversimplistic binary “either/or” rabbithole. Gun violence and inner city issues have a great deal of overlap. Solving gun violence and safety issues are complicated matters not the simplified dumbed down stupidity that the NRA tries to feed its masses because it believes them to be idiots. The NRA members are smarter than that but when you are trying to please your corporate funders, like Walmart, the biggest seller of guns in this country, even your members don’t matter.

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Oscar, ridiculous attempt to put words in my mouth. You should be ashamed. If you want a gun for your home for self protection once you pass basic training, its your issue and that of your family if you are not smart enough to keep it up. Put someone around kids and the public with guns and yes, you should have extensive training and required recertification. That is why we train police forces despite the clownish GOP effort to cut their pay.

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Your assumptions that she would not belittle her more than my belief that she would. You are saying she didn’t have the courage to fire a weapon. I think she did.

No disrespect, but what a Jackazz you are. Did you even READ the type of person she was? Did you even BOTHER to see HER and not your idealized NRA talking point?

By her very nature she was a giver, a caretaker, a lover not a fighter.

Not everyone is as bloodthirsty as you are. There are still people in the world who, despite all that the NRA has been trying to do, don’t like guns, would never own a gun, and would not ever willingly TOUCH a gun.

That has nothing to do with COURAGE — her very selfless act, trying to save her school, was COURAGEOUS.

Duh!

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“But alas, I haven’t done dick for Xmas shopping yet.”

Fox News alert! An act of war on Christmas at 11:00! Someone call Fox and Friends.

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“Hawaii!”

Just in case you aren’t aware…Hawaii is on the phone and satellite systems. It’s actually possible to call people there. Isn’t that just AMAZING?

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Debbie

Now your have become diorientated and are merely babbling without any rational thought process.
But, that’s what I expected.

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oscar: by your logic, unless you undergo extensive training you should not own a gun and keep one in your house for protection because it would be effectively useless.

Oscar, here’s an idea and a comment:

YOU, oscar, should never have any training in weapons safety. and YOU, oscar, should have a million guns in your home.

Now the comment:

Then maybe while cleaning them you can shoot your foot off because you forgot to check and see if there was a round in the chamber, you know since you never learned how to properly handle a weapon and all. A win/win situation — a teachable lesson and consequences for being stupid all in one fell swoop.

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. In China school children are attacked with knives.

Yes, but those children LIVED. Ours, who were shot down, did not.
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DG: Isn’t that just AMAZING?

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Keep: Did you engage your brain before that post?

Was that one of those “gotcha” rhetorical questions that I’ve heard about?

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Keep

You are the one being childish. Not me. You know you are wrong and won’t admit it.

Saying prinicpals and teachers should not be allowed acces to weapons in school without extensive training is just not a reasonable statement.

Debbie,

Your resorts to person insults does not deserve a reply.

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“Your resorts to person insults does not deserve a reply”

Yeah, next time use animal insults!

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keep

You are suggesting that guns don’t work for safety.

That’s why I said, if that’s true, why is it so hard to ban them.

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I want to get rid of your guns but I want to keep mine.

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The fact is, weapons should be kept in the principal’s office or other secured places in schools, and the principal and selected teacher’s should have access to them for use in times of emergency.
Not all people require extensive training in order to be allowed access to those weapons.

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Not all people require extensive training in order to be allowed access to those weapons.

Yeah, they really do.

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Mandatory mental and psychological evaluations could leave us
without a government.

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Mandatory mental and psychological evaluations could leave us
without a government.

Or teachers.

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Keep up
DDR, yep…rhetorical and answered before asked!
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two lawyers agree? money will change hands….

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barking frog:

“If armed officers are ineffective, should we not save money
by banning police ?”

Please resend that to “Keep Up the Poor Fight”.

He is for protecting inner-city school kids but not suburban/country school kids.

Out for the afternoon …………….. everyone be nice.

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frog – that’s two out of three.

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Awww…poor Senior Digits knows he lost so he has to resort to name calling.

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He is for protecting inner-city school kids but not suburban/country school kids.

Typical of the buffoonery, idiotic lies and false commentary we’ve grown to expect from Ftroopers.

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Brosephus – 11:39

The shooter in Conn. walked up to the school door. He had an assualt rifle in his hands. If there had been two police officers there, under those circumstances, I think it’s safe to say they WOULD HAVE stoped him.

The tone of your 10:56 indicates you think armed officers would be of little or no use. My commenting on that tone is not “putting words in your mouth”.

I’m still waiting for an answer to my 10:41.

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frog: If armed officers are ineffective, should we not save money
by banning police ?

two lawyers agree? money will change hands….

Hiya Frog! I see the force, (your wiseazzery), is strong this morning…..

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Only if Oscar is carrying his super soaker water gun…………

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She read from a police report on the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado, detailing the unsuccessful attempts of two armed officers to derail one of the shooters, Eric Harris:

FEINSTEIN: Jefferson Country Sheriffs Deputy Neil Gardner, the school’s Community Resource Officer, seeing Harris walking with his gun, kneeled over the top of his car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the Deputy. After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and call for assistance from another Sheriffs unit. ‘Shots in the building, I need someone in the south lot with me.’ Later, another officer shot back at Harris as the student shot out a window. Again, according to the Sheriffs transcript. Harris, leaning out of a broken window, on the set of double doors into the school began shooting a rifle. Jefferson County Deputy Paul Smoker fires three rounds at him and the gunman disappears from the window. Smoker continues to hear gunfire from inside the building as more students flee from the school.

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Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:13 am

“Did you engage your brain before that post?”

I guess, I didn’t! I was grabbing my a$$ since based on the income I make, I will get greased!

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Keep, I believe I said well vetted, experienced law enforcement or former military in my 11:32

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The shooter in Conn. walked up to the school door. He had an assualt rifle in his hands. If there had been two police officers there, under those circumstances, I think it’s safe to say they WOULD HAVE stoped him.

What’s to say that, if there were two officers there, that the kid didn’t walk up with a heavy winter coat on, rifle underneath? As I tried telling you, and you simply refuse to comprehend, there are too many variables to play the what if game. For every what if with a positive outcome, there is one with an equally negative outcome.

As to your 10:41, did you not comprehend where I said they were both good and bad? Where have I stated that we need to undo anything? My view is that we need to remove the emotion, which you apparently can not do, and look at things from a logical point of view. If a school works well with metal detectors and armed officers, then do that to keep the kids safe. If you have to do something like key-card access doors and such, then do that.

I’m simply not going to get into the knee jerk what if’s and such. Trying to figure out what plan works is not going to be a “one size fits all” idea. I think I’ve said that more than once as well.

I guess, though, a simple answer to your 10:41 would be N-O!

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indigo: The tone of your 10:56 indicates you think armed officers would be of little or no use.

Consider the fact that tone doesn’t translate very well through written word. Otherwise, you’d be tone deaf. I’m simply trying to relay the idea that police are h-u-m-a-n and are falliable. If police were such a guarantee, as you seem to think judging the tone of your posts, we would not have an “Officer Down Memorial Page” website that shows over 40 officers killed in the line of duty to gunfire.

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DG @ 12:03 — Sort of like the “bar owner” laws that some states have on the books now? I like the idea, but I think that should be like step one in a multi-lateral stepped approach.

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WIL: I was grabbing my a$$

Yep — that sounds about right……….

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Recon, and your evidence that there are available waiting applicants for these jobs at 2/3’s of our schools across the country? Let’s be clear: well vetted, experienced law enforcement or former military does not mean that they are suited to be around schools or kids so give us the real numbers and the actual qualifications

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that should be SCHiZO! not shizo! sorry.

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Front Page of Huffington Post:

TO LIVE AND DIE IN AMERICA. U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Gun violence is everywhere.

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Just be honest and admit you are okay with child massacres for your freedom to own guns.

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U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100

The issue is not schools only….its malls, its the street, its homes, its road rage, gun violence is everywhere. Only the foolish address the issue by focusing on schools only.

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Who cares what “debbiedoesdallas sez!

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Keep Up

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Kamchak 11:46
josef will not like that….

Oh well — we inhabit a less than ideal world.

btw, spell check does not like your name or josef’s..

How sad.

Spell check has always been a friend of mine.

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Guns win so move on.

Dang getalife,quit stirring the pot dude! lol
Emotions are already running rampant.

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Debbie – 12:26

I am PRO gun control.

I am also realistic to know gun control isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.

So, let’s have police offices in ALL our schools.

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“Guns win so move on”

No, they won’t. Their owner’s might…or might not…but the guns won’t give a damn.

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“Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom? — President Barack Obama at a vigil in Newtown, Connecticut.”

The answer is it is the price of our freedom to own guns.

Freedom is never free.

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Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm

FWIW,I think you may be on to something in your earlier post about gun sales between indviduals.Not sure we could ever get the legislation on it though.

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Debbie D R ..”By her very nature she was a giver, a caretaker, a lover not a fighter.

Not everyone is as bloodthirsty as you are. There are still people in the world who, despite all that the NRA has been trying to do, don’t like guns, would never own a gun, and would not ever willingly TOUCH a gun.

That has nothing to do with COURAGE — her very selfless act, trying to save her school, was COURAGEOUS.”
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Debbie , you have exposed us..WE LOVE GUNS and KILLING!! The Money made by the sale of guns is astronomical . We are at a point where we are almost totally dehumanized.

And now we advocate for MORE guns in school for security?

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I don’t think a small gun law change will pass the gop house.

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I wonder if our SC would rule guns are people like corporations.

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The cons going to let a gay guy with a gun guard the school?

Or, a guy with a gay gun?

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The cons going to let a gay guy with a gun guard the school?

No,they are going to pass a law that bans gays from having guns!

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And I’m not being entirely heh-heh when I say this, but am I the kind of person you want to be armed?

Probably, but I don’t see that teachers are immune to the statistics of mental illness. They are probably more or less in line with the population as a whole.

Their stress level, however….

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Speaking of stress — three more presents to buy, damnit!

Off to join the madding crowd.

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Falcons VS Detroit: 8:30 EST. Any of you knuckleheads want to drink beer and watch the game?

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gay Swamp Rat-Hillbilly Jew from Mississippi with a boa and an attitude…vet, that! -)

You left Hell Raising Rebel out of that description!

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SCOOTTER

Yeah, that, too…not to mention delusional lickspittal, plantation liberal, a’hat!

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Yeah, that, too…not to mention delusional lickspittal, plantation liberal, a’hat!

I think we have all the bases covered now! Whew I feel better.

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I beg to diffa suh,Jews ain’t white! Or are they?

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Scootter

Depends on which ones we’re talking about…don’t get no whiter than the ones with roots down ’round these parts! Them from Up Nawth? They’re trying real hard, bless their hearts.

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josef

December 22nd, 2012
2:19 pm

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

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I thought we settled on anal derby.

Anyhoo, stop watching football, drinking beer and go feed our economy.

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I think teachers have enough on their plate and security is law enforcement’s jobs.

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Real Scootter – 2:32

I did not think about that. It is a good point and may very well be true.

However, since we don’t know which schools insane outside shooters will target, I still say we need armed guards at all schools.

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Cobb gun show attracts scores looking for assault-style rifles

Many hoped to walk away with assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines they fear may soon be outlawed.

Lining up to get guns.

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Why don’t we just ban deranged white video game playing boys?

Fewer of those than guns in this country.

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Five myths about gun control

That statistic is cold comfort to the families of the children slain in Connecticut and elsewhere. But schools continue to be safe places, and since the 1999 Columbine High School shooting, many have implemented security procedures to foil those contemplating crimes in the classroom. These measures include lockdown drills, metal detectors and security cameras, extra training for faculty and staff, and the presence of police officers — sometimes called “resource officers” — assigned to regular school duty.

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And so Dear leader, who cannot decide if he wants to be Barkley, Woods or a Harlem Globetrotter has begun chapter two of his entitlement travel tour. As taxes go up 20% and payments for military services go down 20%, Obama and the Tax o Crats now have MORE money to spend than under the new Pelosi plan, which the Crats are now voting against. How Typical. As more and more people work for the Government, which produces NO revenue, only takes in, the private sector shrinks and taxes will go up every year until the government has all the money and people have none. Welcome to N. Korea and every Islamic state, which is what Obama wants any way. Who else BOWS to the Saudi king? No one-only a Muslim. So as the Harlem Globetrotter goes to Hawaii to celebrate RAM a Dan, all men named Dan are protecting their butts from the radical Islamists. oh yes, the peace loving Islamists. They love peace when the entire world is Islamic. Oh you can practice another religion, but only inside your own house where no one else can see it. Had the islamists tried to do this during the Reagan years, we would have no islamists on the planet. KABOOM! And you notice, no other Arab country is willing to give up land for the paleterrorists. They know they are trouble makers. They were kicked out of Jordan and Syria for being too radical. Too radical for Syria? yup- they make the current riots in Syria look like a kindergarten fight. Democrats are TOO CHICKEN too fight and just want to tax tax tax and spend spend spend with out saving for a rainy day. Just like the KC/sunshine band song: tax tax tax, spend spend spend, shake your piggy, shake your piggy!

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mistake,

ODS much?

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indigo: I wonder how you’d react if I, or anyone here, posted something to you and said “your Black schools” and “you Black folks”?

Secondly, why am I getting such a lecture on metal detectors? I’ve been talking mostly here about armed guards, not metal detectors.

Dude, do you even pay attention to what you type here? Do you ever re-read your posts??? Your last part of your 2:20 post read: “So, it’s ok for black inner city schools to have guards and metal detectors but for other, mostly white ones, who cares.”

Guards, also known as resource officers, are at many schools in both urban and suburban areas. Therefore, I see no need to debate them as that point is moot. The difference in the schools are metal detectors.

When you specified Black (with a capital b) inner city schools, you brought race into the debate. Prior to that post I responded with, I have not mentioned race as race has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children. This debate has already been “Black this” and “Black that”. I’ve seen Chicago, inner city schools, and urban mentioned so many times, you all are becoming pathetic and predictable. So, if you’re wondering how I’ll respond if somebody posts what you suggested, take a look at my posts over the past week and you’ll see my response.

This is not about race. This is not about what ifs. This is about formulating plausible and achievable means to protect our kids. Short of keeping kids in the house and schooling them over the internet, there is no sure fire way to protect them. That’s just a fact of life.

We don’t agree on much, and that’s partly because I find your zeal to argue ad nauseum over the same points as meaningful as watching grass grow. It has nothing to do with you personally, but when I see that somebody chooses to hear what they want to hear as opposed to what’s said, I generally don’t look for agreement with that person. I have an adverse distaste for closed-minded people.

Republicans won’t raise taxes to cover the cost of police. Democrats can’t possibly pass enough gun restrictions to keep kids safe. One simply has to learn that there is no way to make anything 100% safe, and we just have to learn to live our lives in that aspect. Violence is part of our culture. You’re not going to remove it or contain it.

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Recon @ 12:19

“It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation with most on the left. They have tunnel vision and can only focus firearms as the cause, which most objective thinkers know that it isn’t . I have too many things to do this afternoon, so good luck in your attempts to reason with them.”

It all boils down to this:

Sheep
Wolves
Sheepdogs

NONE of the three understand the other ……….. it’s an impossibility.

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“It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation”

We know your solution is more guns.

christie said no.

What else you got?

Nothing.

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Funny thing about Vietnam vets is they think they know everything but are clowns like Si on Duck Dynasty. Heh, Jack, that is what I am talking about. Booya.

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Some historical perspective to keep in mind when considering school violence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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Brosephus – 4:49

“do you pay attention to what you type here”

Once again, during the day, I’ve mostly talked about police at schools, not metal detectors. The key word in MOSTLY.

“you all are becoming pathetic and predictable”

In all the time I’ve been posting, not once have I ever mentioned Chicago or urban schools.

“your zeal to argue ad nauseum over the same points”

You might want to look in the mirror on that.

“this is not about race”

Unless it turns out that almost all inner city schools have armed guards and almost all the rest don’t. Then, if this continues, many people will ask why these inner city school kids are being protected and why their kids aren’t.

And, as you know, schools not in the inner city have plenty of black students. So, in that very important sense, this certainly isn’t about race.

All parents want their kids to be safe. Nobody wants to see another 20 school kids going down in a hail of assault weapon gunfire.

In the end, after all is said and done, I, like you

call ‘um like I see ‘um

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Foolish to concern ourselves with schools. No it’s foolish not to concern ourselves first with what should be the highest priority and that’s securing schools and protecting innocent children. Anyone who believes otherwise is hopelessly beyond foolish.

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getalife, please don’t lump all VietNam vets, you never know who the rest of us are.

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Fred ™

December 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm

Damn I just missed Kam. And he only has THREE to buy? I haven’t bought a single present yet.,…….

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Doggone/GA
no training, they just naturally respond to sheepherder whistles ?

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Well, will this one be a “bookie loss” like Carolina? I wouldn’t bet on Atlanta in this game for all the tea in China. I sure hope you don’t have Atlanta and anything less than 35! Good luck!

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Doggone/GA
They are not trained to not kill, catch and eat. I already SAID “The training they get channels that natural instinct to being done on command and not on will”
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so, they naturally chase, catch, kill, and eat..but through selective breeding
the dogs that chase and stop have been trained to chase and stop on command
and have no natural instinct to catch kill and eat, correct?

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Doggone/GA
my original post:
I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally trained to go against
it’s nature.
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Had I said:
I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?

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“it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally bred to go against it’s nature, would that have been correct?”

Closer. Domesticated dogs virtually ALL go against the nature of wild canines. But…they are NOT wild canines, and they have been bred in ways that channel natural instincts into usefulness for man. So in that sense, it is their “nature” to behave as they have beed bred to behave.

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breitbart

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it is the sheepdog that has been bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?

No.

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Kamchak
had I said:
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to chase sheep
would that be correct?

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You don’t understand dogs, wolves or sheep and how they interact.

Nor how our ancestors chose canines based on what characteristics they wanted and bred them with canines with similar characteristics.

Thus we have working dogs like shepards and we have small dogs bred to go after rodents.

And then there’s the Irish wolfhound that was bred to hunt wolves.

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it is the sheepdog that has been bred to chase sheep
would that be correct?

No, the sheep dog has been bred to herd sheep.

The difference is, once the solitary animal is back with the herd, the “chase” is over.

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Doggone/GA
No. Because the sheep “understand” and reacto to both wolves and herding dogs the same. They are reacting to the actions, not whether or not the dogs have been trained or are wolves. Their instincts to flock together and to move away from the presssure put on them is the same for both dogs and wolves.
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so when wolves chase sheep they react as if sheepdogs are chasing
them and under the same pressure

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barking frog:

I hear you but I don’t think “human” sheepdogs can be trained. They are born that way and all training does is enhance their skills.

Now that said ………. there’s nothing wrong with being a sheep. That’s just normal and probably applies to 95+% of the general population.

However, “human” sheepdogs grow up to become police officers, firemen, Marines, soldiers, Navy SEALS, etc., etc. It’s just in their nature to want to do those things.

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Kamchak, Doggone/GA, 0311
Now I understand the misunderstanding among sheep, wolves and
sheepdogs but Irish wolfhounds are clearly the answer to the problem….

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Doggone/GA
herding not chasing? another integer in the equation..

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..but Irish wolfhounds are clearly the answer to the problem….

There really is no problem.

Each animal has it’s place in the natural order.

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0311
I understand the herding instinct in humans and it may be born
and bred because we have sheepherders and not sheepchasers
but I have heard that some sheepherders are sheepcatchers and
they do catch and eat or catch and release like fishermen

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Kamchak
Each animal has it’s place in the natural order.
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but the natural order has been interrupted by humans who
breed out the natural instincts not to mention training…

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“but the natural order has been interrupted by humans who
breed out the natural instincts not to mention training”

but humans are a part of nature…so what we do is natural

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Not to change the subject, but I thought the gun show in Cobb today was…well, disturbing. From the AJC:

“Early attendees left the show wheeling cases of ammunition, while individual gun owners worked the long line arranging private sales of assault-style weapons.”

Just what we need, more cases of ammo out there on the loose and more private sales nobody can track. I tell you, I’m getting more and more worried about the law-abiding gun owners. There’s a sense of desperation at the mere mention of assault weapons bans that just make them get all kinds of nutty. Perhpaps this is the new era the Mayans were warning about, and it scares the mess out of me.

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Doggone/GA
but humans are a part of nature…so what we do is natural
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this has always been my argument for atomic power and
and against anthropogenic climate change

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“this has always been my argument for atomic power and
and against anthropogenic climate change”

Natural is not equal to advantageous. Elephants for instance, having few natural predators, can and have eaten their way to starvation by devouring everything in their territory.

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Kamchak
You really don’t know much about breeding.
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How did you know that? That is what my wife says but so
did my mother in law and they were talking about two entirely
different things..but about animals, they started with the same traits
and ended with the same traits but the weaker traits become almost
nonexistent and can be considered bred out.

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“ended with the same traits but the weaker traits become almost
nonexistent and can be considered bred out”

Nope. Those instincts have not been lost. The dogs have been bred to have stronger controls over parts of them. Wolves are perfectly capable of stopping their herding instinct if it doesn’t produce a weak enough animal to trigger the next steps in the hunting train. And even herding dogs, if left on their own and desperate enough, will hunt, kill and eat prey animals.

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After the “Plan B” vote debacle some in the Republican Party are smelling blood in the water. According to Republican sources that spoke to Reuters, Speaker Boehner was down 40 to 50 votes for his “Plan B” proposal despite intense lobbying from both himself and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. Do the terms “leader” even still apply here?

According to the strategy memo, in what can only be called sweet irony, the conspirators plan to use Speaker Boehner’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act or “card check” as the grounds for a secret ballot vote for Speaker. If the opponents to Boehner can change the rules for a secret ballot vote, his survival as Speaker would be in serious jeopardy. Now that’s something worth crying about.

Heh, heh, heh.

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“sheep too?”

In the absence of predators, yes. That’s one reason we still have deer hunting seasons. Because we have to take the place of the wild predators we have eliminated…and to keep the deer from a population explosion that would lead to habitat degradation.

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Kam: I still say Cantor wants a shot at it…really bad.

He’s probably not the only one.

Be interesting to watch them cull the herd. (to extend the metaphor.)

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“but it wouldn’t suprise me one bit to see him get the job”

Me either, but not anytime soon. He’s not going to want to be in that position if “this sucker goes down”

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“Is this why hunters need the Bushmaster with the large magazines ?”

The new media is wrong. There ARE stupid questions.

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HEADLINE (Athens Banner Herald): “Georgia schools chief endorses NRA proposal for guards”

http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2012-12-22/ga-schools-chief-endorses-nra-proposal-guards#.UNZnmnwKz0Q.email

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0311: Barge had to do something to try to make up for his break with the guvnah on the charter school amendment.

Ironically, Columbine HS had an armed security guard who exchanged fire with one of the two murderers. Neither was hit. While armed, trained officers in every school isn’t necessarily a bad idea, chances are it would do little to stop a heavily armed intruder who has planned the attack for some time and is likely more than ready to meet that armed officer with far more firepower and perhaps just as much skill at using it.

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“Your speaker is polling lower the Pelosi.”

LOL- not surprising, though. She may be a little flaky, but she does know how to deal with her caucus. She doesn’t have the number on the far-left to deal with that Boehner does on the far-right either.

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ROFLMAO

During eulogy for war hero senator, Obama refers to himself 63 times…

drudgey spam.

;lol:

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RF
She may be a little flaky, but she does know how to deal with her caucus
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Well I hope she does it in private as it sounds a little inappropriate.

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“It’s there to for the “people” to ensure a FREE STATE !”

Tired talking point, IMO. Have you had to fend off any commies, radical muslims, or A-rabs lately? Just how many threats to the state have individual citizens had to fight against the way the early citizens did the British? Now those aggravatin’ Jehovah’s witness folks show up on Saturday morning are a bit irritating, but I don’t think I’ll be needing the big guns to get them off the porch.

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http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf

Page 24

b. SECURITY OF A FREE STATE

“The phrase “security of a free state” meant “security of a free polity” not security of each of the several states.”

“There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary for the security of a free state” ……….. Third, when the
able bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”

Page 25

3. RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREFATORY CLAUSE AND OPERATIVE CLAUSE

“That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by
banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress
political opponents.”

Page 26

“It was understood across the political spectrum that the right helped to secure the ideal of a citizen militia, which might
be necessary to oppose an oppressive military force if the constitutional order broke down.”

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RF @ 9:51

Your opinion but the “Bill of Rights” is not to be trifled with. It is what it is.

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Red states cut education to get the uneducated voters so good luck getting money from the state.

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“But to do NOTHING while people are being killed and before police arrive is just plain wrong.”

As a teacher for over twenty years, it saddens me that we’ve come to this. And it isn’t the stereotypical glock-toting “thugs” whe are the problem. It’s the seemingly “normal” white kids that are becoming the threat. Like I said, I’m not against the idea, but at a time when I’ve been furloughed over twenty days in the last three years alone, I have to wonder how in the world the state will come up with the money. My local district doesn’t have it, that’s for sure. Most communities can’t afford a full compliment of police officers in the community, so they aren’t going to have much to invest.

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“As a teacher for over twenty years, it saddens me that we’ve come to this.”

You don’t have to be a teacher to be saddened and very concerned about the “state of the union” these days. Just out of curiosity, would you consider carrying a concealed weapon to protect kids (with appropriate SWAT training)?

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“Just out of curiosity, would you consider carrying a concealed weapon to protect kids (with appropriate SWAT training)?”

In a building full of hormonal teenagers, HELL no!! No matter how much SWAT training you give (which frankly I’m getting to edge of being too old to endure), I’d consider the potential of one of my kids getting nutty and fighting for the gun to be more of a threat than the outside intruder. If you’ve ever seen a couple of them get angry and start throwing punches and had to intervene, you’d know that teachers carrying weapons might not be a good idea at all. They tend to respect the uniform as much as the gun as it symbolizes the training and skill far better than I could in my Dockers and a tie.

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“And what exact “tyranny” are we afraid of?”

That would be the government itself – the same fear behind free speech arguments. It is certainly clear from the historical evidence that a number of the “founding fathers” and their generation felt this way:

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson

“None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important.” –Thomas Jefferson

“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference.” — George Washington

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” – Noah Webster

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See how the AJC blogs work? The libs go to the Conservative AJC blogs and vomit out their hate and rage and get them shut down or put into moderation.

But at the lib AJC blogs, where vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences, the blog remains open for business.

Can you say censorship?

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“Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf*&king snakes on this motherf*&king plane!”
–Thomas Jefferson.

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“vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences,”

Generally, it’s pretty civil here. Intelligent and open to a diversity of viewpoints, and often contentious. But hardly hate and rage. Go on back over the Kyle to spew such nonsense.

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Go on back over the Kyle to spew such nonsense.

Kyle’s is shut down.

He can’t trust his regulars, so he shuts it down while he’s away.

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The last time arms were used to stop tyranny in government in the
US it turned out to be an exercise in futility and destroyed much
of the country. Did we learn nothing ?

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The cons shut down their own blog son.

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“That would be the government itself”

Towncrier: honestly, that’s just a bunch of baloney. Before “tyranny” could take over in our government, a number of very obvious things would have to take place, like constitutional amendments, and then there’s the SCOTUS who’d have to field legal challenges. It’s a bulky process, which is part of what protects us from the whole notion of tyranny. The closest we came to any kind of tyrannical government, ironically, would have been when we elected FDR so many times. And that led to the two-term limit, which again further decreases the likelihood of any sort of tyranny.

While I know many in our country see electing a non-white Democrat as some sort of leap into a quagmire of tyranny and socialism or muslim extremism, that hardly makes the argument for protections against government tyranny any more worthwhile. We need to be able to rationally consider what type of weapons we’re allowing in the hands of fools along with the law abiding when we shout about freedom from tyranny.

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I vomit on your blog I get banned.

You vomit on my blog the whole thing gets shut down.

The AJC/ Politburo has formed a bubble around it’s haters.

So go ahead and censor me.

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Pro Government Stooge

December 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm

Kyle Wing nut is a coward even more than mike puckovich is.
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What do you expect? He’s a David Slagle type of coward. He’s not even a good writer. I think the AJC wanted a cowardly poor writer for their conservative blog. He fits rigth in with the cowards who cower at his site and sling poo, afraid to come off the range where they will ahve to deal with what they sling.

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Pro Government Stooge

December 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm

See how the AJC blogs work? The libs go to the Conservative AJC blogs and vomit out their hate and rage and get them shut down or put into moderation.

But at the lib AJC blogs, where vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences, the blog remains open for business.

Can you say censorship?
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No, but I can say STUPID and you are proof that there is no cure for it.

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barking frog:

Actually one government invaded another ………….. ) Just sayin’

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“Towncrier: honestly, that’s just a bunch of baloney. Before “tyranny” could take over in our government, a number of very obvious things would have to take place, like constitutional amendments, and then there’s the SCOTUS who’d have to field legal challenges.”

So says you. I am surprised that an educated school teacher would not realize that there are potential situations in which a form of tyranny may be imposed. Just ask the Japanese in this country around WWII. Sorry, my friend, my I am not as naively trusting as you seem to be; I minored in history as an undergraduate.

“While I know many in our country see electing a non-white Democrat as some sort of leap into a quagmire of tyranny and socialism or muslim extremism, that hardly makes the argument for protections against government tyranny any more worthwhile.”

Now you are becoming offensive, mindlessly parroting aspersions of racism. And, in case you didn’t know, Obama is half white (which makes the racist charges all the more absurd).

“We need to be able to rationally consider what type of weapons we’re allowing in the hands of fools along with the law abiding when we shout about freedom from tyranny.”

We need to rationally consider a whole lot of things, I’d say. Are you willing to do that or do you simply think guns are the sole or even main cause of mass killings?

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RF @ 10:25

The 2nd Amendment is for our country 100 years from now as well as today.

Today, although we have major disagreements, we are still a functioning Republic.

Who is to say what will happen way down the road.

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Kam; I’ll take the under. no one is allowed to post over there unless they suck Dave are they?

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Pro Government Stooge

December 22nd, 2012
10:39 pm

Fred – The AJC pays people to disrupt their Conservative blogs and uses this as a reason to shut them down. Kyle Wing nut knows this but cowardly goes along with it. Bookman busts rids his self of dissent, no questions asked. Wing nut shuts it all down.

Notice a pattern?
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A pattern to your stupidity? Why yes, yes I do. Do you have a point? You have yet to say anything lucid, truthful, or logical.

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barking frog:

Doesn’t matter what Lincoln “thought” it’s what happened that counts.

One government invaded another that just wanted to peacefully leave.

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