‘Now the time has come; there is no place to run’
As we all know, the Mayan long-count calendar comes to an end today, at the winter solstice of the 13th b’ak’tun. And there are three basic interpretations of what happens next:
A.) Nothing.
B.) A new era begins, dramatically different from that which came before.
C.) It all ends. Everything. Kaput. Finito. Put a period on that sucker.
"I swear, these fools will believe almost ANYTHING!"
Option A, while most likely, is also the least amount of fun. Totally boring.
Option B, on the other hand, offers far more opportunities for exploration. Might we really be at the dawning of a new age? There are some who say we might very well be.
Consider, for example, the fact that the last time the Mayan long-count calender flipped over was some 5,129 years ago. And what was happening around that time frame?
A lot, as it turns out. Roughly 5,000 years ago, the Stone Age ends. Early agriculture begins in North Africa. Troy is founded. Betty White is born. Stonehenge is built. Cities emerge. The Bronze Age begins, and with it recorded human history. It was indeed a time of total transformation of human consciousness.
Are we now perched at the edge of another such transformation? The evidence. some say, is compelling. Consider, for example, this portion of the Dresden Codex, a Mayan book and the oldest known book written in the Americas. It is reported to deal with the end of time. Note the prominent figure carrying a bucket spilling water — a water carrier. As in Aquarius, the water carrier.
As in Age of Aquarius, dawning of? I report, you decide.
For those of a more pessimistic frame of mind, we offer Option C. The problem with Option C is that many, many prophecies of the end of time have been issued by charlatans over the centuries, and so far none has come true.
And how do we know they’ve never come true? Because you’re still sitting there reading this, you dummy.
But you see, that’s the easy answer to the easy question. The deceptively easy question. Here’s a tougher question: What if we’re NOT really here? What if the world as we knew it really HAS ended, and we are now someplace else but just don’t realize it?
Sure, everything may look the same. It may even feel the same. It’s Friday. Friday Night Travelin’ Music is on Bookman’s blog, just as it always is. It’s all exactly the same.
But … isn’t it all just a little TOO exactly the same? What if this world is SUPPOSED to look the same and feel the same as THAT world?
In the words of that great seer, Rod Serling:
“We know that a dream can be real, but who ever thought that reality could be a dream? We exist, of course, but how, in what way? As we believe, as flesh-and blood human beings? Or are we simply parts of someone’s feverish, complicated nightmare? Think about it, and then ask yourself, do you live here, in this country, in this world, or do you live instead… in the Twilight Zone.”
I suspect that is a question that John Boehner has no doubt asked himself often.
Now the time has come (Time)
There’s no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I’ve been loved and put aside (Time)
I’ve been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
EXCELLENT COWBELL!
– Jay Bookman
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Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
“I’ve read stories where wolves will get into a pen of sheep and kill every animal, but that really isn’t natural, because humans confined the sheep so they were all vulnerable, not just the weakest and slowest”
Exactly. The sheep can’t use their escape and defense mechanisms effectively and the wolves react as if they are ALL weak and easy prey.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:00 pm
Kamchak
Each animal has it’s place in the natural order.
………………………………………………………
but the natural order has been interrupted by humans who
breed out the natural instincts not to mention training…
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
Kamchak
I’ve read stories where wolves will get into a pen of sheep and kill every animal, but that really isn’t natural, because humans confined the sheep so they were all vulnerable, not just the weakest and slowest
……………………………………………………………………………………………………….
and just what the hell is the Irish wolfhound doing while this is going on ?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:05 pm
“but the natural order has been interrupted by humans who
breed out the natural instincts not to mention training”
but humans are a part of nature…so what we do is natural
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:06 pm
“breed out the natural instincts”?
You really don’t know much about breeding.
Our ancestors recognized traits in certain breeds of an animal, an reinforced that trait by breeding similar animals with the same trait.
Are you somehow saying that the “trait” recognized by our ancestors isn’t natural?
If that trait isn’t “natural”, how was it unnaturally introduced to those specific animals?
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:08 pm
Not to change the subject, but I thought the gun show in Cobb today was…well, disturbing. From the AJC:
“Early attendees left the show wheeling cases of ammunition, while individual gun owners worked the long line arranging private sales of assault-style weapons.”
Just what we need, more cases of ammo out there on the loose and more private sales nobody can track. I tell you, I’m getting more and more worried about the law-abiding gun owners. There’s a sense of desperation at the mere mention of assault weapons bans that just make them get all kinds of nutty. Perhpaps this is the new era the Mayans were warning about, and it scares the mess out of me.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:08 pm
barking frog:
If you are talking “humans”, then a “sheepherder” who catches and “eats” is a WOLF !
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:09 pm
Doggone/GA
but humans are a part of nature…so what we do is natural
………………………………………………………………………..
this has always been my argument for atomic power and
and against anthropogenic climate change
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:10 pm
OK, this is wrong:
Our ancestors recognized traits in certain breeds of an animal, an reinforced that trait by breeding similar animals with the same trait.
What I should have posted:
Our ancestors recognized traits in certain animals and bred them with other animals that possessed the same trait.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:12 pm
“this has always been my argument for atomic power and
and against anthropogenic climate change”
Natural is not equal to advantageous. Elephants for instance, having few natural predators, can and have eaten their way to starvation by devouring everything in their territory.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:14 pm
Elephants for instance, having few natural predators, can and have eaten their way to starvation by devouring everything in their territory.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown at the top of the food chain.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:16 pm
Kamchak
You really don’t know much about breeding.
……………………………………………..
How did you know that? That is what my wife says but so
did my mother in law and they were talking about two entirely
different things..but about animals, they started with the same traits
and ended with the same traits but the weaker traits become almost
nonexistent and can be considered bred out.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
0311
a sheep eating sheep herder by any other name would eat
just as many sheep
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
“ended with the same traits but the weaker traits become almost
nonexistent and can be considered bred out”
Nope. Those instincts have not been lost. The dogs have been bred to have stronger controls over parts of them. Wolves are perfectly capable of stopping their herding instinct if it doesn’t produce a weak enough animal to trigger the next steps in the hunting train. And even herding dogs, if left on their own and desperate enough, will hunt, kill and eat prey animals.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
Doggone/GA
Natural is not equal to advantageous. Elephants for instance, having few natural predators, can and have eaten their way to starvation by devouring everything in their territory.
…………………………………………………………….
sheep too?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
After the “Plan B” vote debacle some in the Republican Party are smelling blood in the water. According to Republican sources that spoke to Reuters, Speaker Boehner was down 40 to 50 votes for his “Plan B” proposal despite intense lobbying from both himself and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor. Do the terms “leader” even still apply here?
[...]
At the moment there does not seem to be a clear rival to Boehner, just an agreement Boehner has to go. The first goal of the conspirators is to change the rules for a secret ballot rather than a roll call vote for Speaker, with the second goal being finding a new Speaker. In essence, Anybody But Boehner.
According to the strategy memo, in what can only be called sweet irony, the conspirators plan to use Speaker Boehner’s opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act or “card check” as the grounds for a secret ballot vote for Speaker. If the opponents to Boehner can change the rules for a secret ballot vote, his survival as Speaker would be in serious jeopardy. Now that’s something worth crying about.
Heh, heh, heh.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:24 pm
Kamchak
Heavy is the head that wears the crown at the top of the food chain
…………………………………………………
You can throw away the crown if you want….
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:24 pm
“sheep too?”
In the absence of predators, yes. That’s one reason we still have deer hunting seasons. Because we have to take the place of the wild predators we have eliminated…and to keep the deer from a population explosion that would lead to habitat degradation.
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:25 pm
Kam: I still say Cantor wants a shot at it…really bad. He’d be the Tea Party poster child and probably no more effective at bringing the splintered factions together, but it wouldn’t suprise me one bit to see him get the job.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm
Kam: I still say Cantor wants a shot at it…really bad.
He’s probably not the only one.
Be interesting to watch them cull the herd. (to extend the metaphor.)
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm
Kamchak 9:21
and the Republicans begin to eat their own…our president is
a tricky man..
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:29 pm
“but it wouldn’t suprise me one bit to see him get the job”
Me either, but not anytime soon. He’s not going to want to be in that position if “this sucker goes down”
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:31 pm
Doggone/GA
In the absence of predators, yes. That’s one reason we still have deer hunting seasons. Because we have to take the place of the wild predators we have eliminated…and to keep the deer from a population explosion that would lead to habitat degradation.
………………………………………………………………..
Is this why hunters need the Bushmaster with the large magazines ?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm
“Is this why hunters need the Bushmaster with the large magazines ?”
The new media is wrong. There ARE stupid questions.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
LOL:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/22/slate-to-obama-enough-about-you-already/
Will his post-presidential autobiography be titled “I”?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:40 pm
HEADLINE (Athens Banner Herald): “Georgia schools chief endorses NRA proposal for guards”
http://onlineathens.com/breaking-news/2012-12-22/ga-schools-chief-endorses-nra-proposal-guards#.UNZnmnwKz0Q.email
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
9:44 pm
Your speaker is polling lower the Pelosi.
Hilarious
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:45 pm
0311: Barge had to do something to try to make up for his break with the guvnah on the charter school amendment.
Ironically, Columbine HS had an armed security guard who exchanged fire with one of the two murderers. Neither was hit. While armed, trained officers in every school isn’t necessarily a bad idea, chances are it would do little to stop a heavily armed intruder who has planned the attack for some time and is likely more than ready to meet that armed officer with far more firepower and perhaps just as much skill at using it.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:45 pm
When are you guys going to realize that the 2nd Amendment was not put there for hunting, collection, target shooting or even personal protection ! Those were assumed.
It’s there to for the “people” to ensure a FREE STATE !
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE (emphasis added), the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:47 pm
“Your speaker is polling lower the Pelosi.”
LOL- not surprising, though. She may be a little flaky, but she does know how to deal with her caucus. She doesn’t have the number on the far-left to deal with that Boehner does on the far-right either.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:48 pm
Doggone/GA
The new media is wrong. There ARE stupid questions.
…………………………………………………………………………
Did the new media say there are no stupid questions?
and what was their view on stupid answers? or can a
non answer be stupid?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:48 pm
ROFLMAO
During eulogy for war hero senator, Obama refers to himself 63 times…
drudgey spam.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm
RF:
I hear you but two on duty officers showing up might not be enough in EVERY situation. But to do NOTHING while people are being killed and before police arrive is just plain wrong.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
9:50 pm
RF
She may be a little flaky, but she does know how to deal with her caucus
…………………………………………………….
Well I hope she does it in private as it sounds a little inappropriate.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
9:50 pm
Oh, well, the FDA says it’s kosher so it must be true:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/aquaadvantage-genetically-modified-salmon-no-threat_n_2347757.html
I mean, they’ve never been tragically wrong about anything (like, say, prescription drugs), right? Right???
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:51 pm
“It’s there to for the “people” to ensure a FREE STATE !”
Tired talking point, IMO. Have you had to fend off any commies, radical muslims, or A-rabs lately? Just how many threats to the state have individual citizens had to fight against the way the early citizens did the British? Now those aggravatin’ Jehovah’s witness folks show up on Saturday morning are a bit irritating, but I don’t think I’ll be needing the big guns to get them off the porch.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:52 pm
But Barge said financially struggling school districts in Georgia would need help from the state to pay for armed officers.
“It makes the school a safer place, but the state would have to pick up a significant part of that cost. Districts aren’t really in a position to pay for more than what they’re already struggling to pay for.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:54 pm
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf
Page 24
b. SECURITY OF A FREE STATE
“The phrase “security of a free state” meant “security of a free polity” not security of each of the several states.”
“There are many reasons why the militia was thought to be “necessary for the security of a free state” ……….. Third, when the
able bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.”
Page 25
3. RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREFATORY CLAUSE AND OPERATIVE CLAUSE
“That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by
banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms, enabling a select militia or standing army to suppress
political opponents.”
Page 26
“It was understood across the political spectrum that the right helped to secure the ideal of a citizen militia, which might
be necessary to oppose an oppressive military force if the constitutional order broke down.”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
9:54 pm
Jehovah’s witness folks show up on Saturday morning are a bit irritating, but I don’t think I’ll be needing the big guns to get them off the porch.
Just tell them you’re a Druid.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
RF @ 9:51
Your opinion but the “Bill of Rights” is not to be trifled with. It is what it is.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
“When are you guys going to realize that the 2nd Amendment was not put there for hunting, collection, target shooting or even personal protection ! Those were assumed.”
Shhh…don’t tell the liberals their precious 9th amendment covers the individual’s right to bear arms even if a time capsule is found and it is discovered that the “right of the people” in this amendment and this amendment only does not refer to individual rights.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
9:57 pm
Red states cut education to get the uneducated voters so good luck getting money from the state.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:57 pm
Towncrier:
LOL !!
RF
December 22nd, 2012
9:58 pm
“But to do NOTHING while people are being killed and before police arrive is just plain wrong.”
As a teacher for over twenty years, it saddens me that we’ve come to this. And it isn’t the stereotypical glock-toting “thugs” whe are the problem. It’s the seemingly “normal” white kids that are becoming the threat. Like I said, I’m not against the idea, but at a time when I’ve been furloughed over twenty days in the last three years alone, I have to wonder how in the world the state will come up with the money. My local district doesn’t have it, that’s for sure. Most communities can’t afford a full compliment of police officers in the community, so they aren’t going to have much to invest.
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:03 pm
“Your opinion but the “Bill of Rights” is not to be trifled with. It is what it is.”
No, but it also shouldn’t be used as a blanket authorization or generalized too much either. It’s like the Bible- we’re getting to a point where we pick and choose the passages that fit our current belief.
““That history showed that the way tyrants had eliminated a militia consisting of all the able bodied men was not by banning the militia but simply taking away the people’s arms”
See, restricting or requiring better documentation for certain more dangerous weapons isnt’t “taking away” anyone’s arms. Reasonable limits on what anyone but the military should have isn’t anywhere near that point. Besides, right now, our military clearly has more capability to handle any and all threats, and can also deal with “tyranny” if necesary, a lot better than a bunch of loosely thrown together yokels with a few big guns and crates of ammo could do. And what exact “tyranny” are we afraid of?
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:04 pm
“As a teacher for over twenty years, it saddens me that we’ve come to this.”
You don’t have to be a teacher to be saddened and very concerned about the “state of the union” these days. Just out of curiosity, would you consider carrying a concealed weapon to protect kids (with appropriate SWAT training)?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
10:08 pm
Night all. Going to see if I can find some waterfalls tomorrow
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:09 pm
“Just out of curiosity, would you consider carrying a concealed weapon to protect kids (with appropriate SWAT training)?”
In a building full of hormonal teenagers, HELL no!! No matter how much SWAT training you give (which frankly I’m getting to edge of being too old to endure), I’d consider the potential of one of my kids getting nutty and fighting for the gun to be more of a threat than the outside intruder. If you’ve ever seen a couple of them get angry and start throwing punches and had to intervene, you’d know that teachers carrying weapons might not be a good idea at all. They tend to respect the uniform as much as the gun as it symbolizes the training and skill far better than I could in my Dockers and a tie.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:11 pm
I have to wonder how in the world the state will come up with the money.
Somehow Cobb Co. came up with nearly a half a million dollars to defend the stickers in the textbook case.
A decision that went against them and one they were also warned against before the fact.
I guess it’s a matter of priorities.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm
“And what exact “tyranny” are we afraid of?”
That would be the government itself – the same fear behind free speech arguments. It is certainly clear from the historical evidence that a number of the “founding fathers” and their generation felt this way:
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson
“None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important.” –Thomas Jefferson
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference.” — George Washington
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” – Noah Webster
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm
RF:
I hear you and I am sad that our “culture” has come to this. It didn’t used to be this way. We boys carried pocket knives all though our elementary years to whittle and play “numblypeg” at recess. I talked to a younger friend this week that in 1987 he drove his pickup truck to school with his .30.30 in the back window gunrack so he could go right to deer hunting after school.
I repeat …………. it’s not the inaninmate object but our culture that has sadly changed.
I hear you on the budget thing and all I can say is where it CAN be paid for do it. Where it can’t then consider using properly trained volunteers or teachers who volunteer to carry.
ANYTHING is worth saving some lives.
In addition, I am for any new legislation as long as it does two things:
1) Will actually make a difference.
2) Passes Constitutional muster.
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm
See how the AJC blogs work? The libs go to the Conservative AJC blogs and vomit out their hate and rage and get them shut down or put into moderation.
But at the lib AJC blogs, where vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences, the blog remains open for business.
Can you say censorship?
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm
Towncrier: I also talked to some folks in law enforcement, and while they understand the reason for wanting to arm teachers, they say it could make securing a building in the event of this kind of attack much more difficult. Not only would they have to find the perpetrator and either subdue him or verify his suicide, they’d have to go door to door trying to find the teachers with the guns and get them to disarm safely. They said that’s another danger they’d have to defuse before they could secure the building and begin evacuation and assessment of potential survivors among the victims. It could significantly slow down the process of securing the scene and preventing more bloodshed. An armed officer is easy to network with- beyond that it gets more challenging and precious time consuming.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm
“Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherf*&king snakes on this motherf*&king plane!”
–Thomas Jefferson.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm
Towncrier @ 10:12
THANK YOU.
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:17 pm
“vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences,”
Generally, it’s pretty civil here. Intelligent and open to a diversity of viewpoints, and often contentious. But hardly hate and rage. Go on back over the Kyle to spew such nonsense.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:18 pm
RF:
As far as where to get some of the money in my opinion (and I love sports) we spend far too much money for sports programs that really only benefit a small minority of the student body. It’s out of proportion.
Some of that money needs to go for security.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:20 pm
Go on back over the Kyle to spew such nonsense.
Kyle’s is shut down.
He can’t trust his regulars, so he shuts it down while he’s away.
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm
Frohe Feiertage zu allen! (Happy Holidays to all!)
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm
The last time arms were used to stop tyranny in government in the
US it turned out to be an exercise in futility and destroyed much
of the country. Did we learn nothing ?
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm
Kyle Wing nut is a coward even more than mike puckovich is.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm
The cons shut down their own blog son.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm
“An armed officer is easy to network with- beyond that it gets more challenging and precious time consuming.”
Reasonable objections that I think probably only apply to school situations (and not out in the general public where a trained individual carrying a concealed weapon may well prevent a lot of deaths. I wonder if anyone has thought about schools actually housing an annex to a police station free of cost?
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:25 pm
“That would be the government itself”
Towncrier: honestly, that’s just a bunch of baloney. Before “tyranny” could take over in our government, a number of very obvious things would have to take place, like constitutional amendments, and then there’s the SCOTUS who’d have to field legal challenges. It’s a bulky process, which is part of what protects us from the whole notion of tyranny. The closest we came to any kind of tyrannical government, ironically, would have been when we elected FDR so many times. And that led to the two-term limit, which again further decreases the likelihood of any sort of tyranny.
While I know many in our country see electing a non-white Democrat as some sort of leap into a quagmire of tyranny and socialism or muslim extremism, that hardly makes the argument for protections against government tyranny any more worthwhile. We need to be able to rationally consider what type of weapons we’re allowing in the hands of fools along with the law abiding when we shout about freedom from tyranny.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
10:28 pm
“Did we learn nothing ?”
No, we are marginalizing them so they will be irrelevant.
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:29 pm
I vomit on your blog I get banned.
You vomit on my blog the whole thing gets shut down.
The AJC/ Politburo has formed a bubble around it’s haters.
So go ahead and censor me.
RF
December 22nd, 2012
10:30 pm
“It’s out of proportion”
Agreed!!!
What’s even worse is that we’ll pay a sports player MILLIONS a year and build a stadium we have to mortgage the city to the devil to finance, but we have to lay off police and teachers and other public servants.
Towncrier: I don’t think a police annex at a school would help. That would cost far, far more than a uniformed officer per school, which combined with controlled access to buildings will do far more to protect schools as much as they can be protected without making them look like prisons.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:30 pm
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm
Kyle Wing nut is a coward even more than mike puckovich is.
+++++++++++++++++
What do you expect? He’s a David Slagle type of coward. He’s not even a good writer. I think the AJC wanted a cowardly poor writer for their conservative blog. He fits rigth in with the cowards who cower at his site and sling poo, afraid to come off the range where they will ahve to deal with what they sling.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
10:30 pm
Ok. Red card.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:31 pm
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm
See how the AJC blogs work? The libs go to the Conservative AJC blogs and vomit out their hate and rage and get them shut down or put into moderation.
But at the lib AJC blogs, where vomit, hate and rage are everyday occurrences, the blog remains open for business.
Can you say censorship?
+++++++++++++++++
No, but I can say STUPID and you are proof that there is no cure for it.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:35 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:20 pm
Go on back over the Kyle to spew such nonsense.
Kyle’s is shut down.
He can’t trust his regulars, so he shuts it down while he’s away.
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He can trust his regulars. He can trust them to lie, call names, and spew hate like they always do. What he CAN’T do is protect them for being on the receiving end of the crap they spew.
When Kyle is there he can suck Cryberius and ban all who oppose him. When he’s NOT there Cryberious, Dusty, Two boobs and all the rest of the jackasses have to deal with the same kind of crap they post and they can’t handle that. So they complain. Kyle the hypocritical weasel gets scolded and he shuts down his blog.
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December 22nd, 2012
10:35 pm
barking frog:
Actually one government invaded another …………..
) Just sayin’
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
Fred
I wonder how many emails Kyle gets from Criberius Dave R. per day.
I’m thinking 10.
You want the over or the under?
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
“Towncrier: honestly, that’s just a bunch of baloney. Before “tyranny” could take over in our government, a number of very obvious things would have to take place, like constitutional amendments, and then there’s the SCOTUS who’d have to field legal challenges.”
So says you. I am surprised that an educated school teacher would not realize that there are potential situations in which a form of tyranny may be imposed. Just ask the Japanese in this country around WWII. Sorry, my friend, my I am not as naively trusting as you seem to be; I minored in history as an undergraduate.
“While I know many in our country see electing a non-white Democrat as some sort of leap into a quagmire of tyranny and socialism or muslim extremism, that hardly makes the argument for protections against government tyranny any more worthwhile.”
Now you are becoming offensive, mindlessly parroting aspersions of racism. And, in case you didn’t know, Obama is half white (which makes the racist charges all the more absurd).
“We need to be able to rationally consider what type of weapons we’re allowing in the hands of fools along with the law abiding when we shout about freedom from tyranny.”
We need to rationally consider a whole lot of things, I’d say. Are you willing to do that or do you simply think guns are the sole or even main cause of mass killings?
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
0311 10:35
Not according to Lincoln.
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December 22nd, 2012
10:38 pm
RF @ 10:25
The 2nd Amendment is for our country 100 years from now as well as today.
Today, although we have major disagreements, we are still a functioning Republic.
Who is to say what will happen way down the road.
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:39 pm
Fred – The AJC pays people to disrupt their Conservative blogs and uses this as a reason to shut them down. Kyle Wing nut knows this but cowardly goes along with it. Bookman busts rids his self of dissent, no questions asked. Wing nut shuts it all down.
Notice a pattern?
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:39 pm
Kam; I’ll take the under. no one is allowed to post over there unless they suck Dave are they?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
10:40 pm
The AJC pays people to disrupt their Conservative blogs…
There’s your sign.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:41 pm
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:39 pm
Fred – The AJC pays people to disrupt their Conservative blogs and uses this as a reason to shut them down. Kyle Wing nut knows this but cowardly goes along with it. Bookman busts rids his self of dissent, no questions asked. Wing nut shuts it all down.
Notice a pattern?
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A pattern to your stupidity? Why yes, yes I do. Do you have a point? You have yet to say anything lucid, truthful, or logical.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:41 pm
“Towncrier: I don’t think a police annex at a school would help. That would cost far, far more than a uniformed officer per school, which combined with controlled access to buildings will do far more to protect schools as much as they can be protected without making them look like prisons.”
I am talking about providing free space to the police department for an annex. There is no cost I can see in that. The department would pay for everything else as it already does. As far as what schools look like, don’t you think we are a little beyond concern for aesthetics at this point?
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December 22nd, 2012
10:41 pm
barking frog:
Doesn’t matter what Lincoln “thought” it’s what happened that counts.
One government invaded another that just wanted to peacefully leave.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
10:42 pm
“Notice a pattern?”
Yeah, cons are kooks and that is why they are being marginalized.
It is great for our country.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:43 pm
“Notice a pattern?”
I do, but it’s not what you think.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
10:43 pm
Bah. i’m going to go watch the rest of the Falcons whipping the Lions butts. If all we have is mystery meat Pro whatever and his stupidity, there is nothing to here to keep me lol. Later Kam. Peace by unto you Getalife……. same to any other REAl people still here…….
Pro? Pitiful son, just pitiful.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
10:44 pm
0311
The US has a history of invading other governments under
concocted reasons.
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December 22nd, 2012
10:47 pm
RF:
P.S. May I recommend “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas J. DiLorenzo (Professor, Sellinger School of Business and Management, Loyola College), Random House, Inc., 2002.
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:47 pm
It’s called censorship. Dance all you want, liberal bozos but where is the Conservative voice?
Silenced.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
10:49 pm
“May I recommend “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas J. DiLorenzo (Professor, Sellinger School of Business and Management, Loyola College), Random House, Inc., 2002.”
Scout, have you watched “Lincoln” yet? If so, what did you think?
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December 22nd, 2012
10:53 pm
barking frog:
Yes …………. sometimes for not so good reasons but mostly for good ones I believe.
That said, we often also support the “secession” of one part of a country from another too …………. exept for our own ………
)
Pro Government Stooge
December 22nd, 2012
10:56 pm
Wingfield is a coward, shutting the whole thing down when ordered to. Do you see the libs cower like he does?
RF
December 22nd, 2012
11:06 pm
“my I am not as naively trusting as you seem to be; I minored in history as an undergraduate.”
Good for you, but that doesn’t give you any more authority on it than anyone else here. The republic of this country is both a fixed idea and a fluid, growing thing whose success lies in its ability to adapt to new needs and challenges while remaining true to its design as a citizen participating government. If anything, we’re bad about letting that citizen participation take a back seat to the big dollar groups influencing it. And I’m hardly naively trusting, but I do think there are quite a number of safeguards against it that would make it obvious enough to prevent it. Not that we don’t need to be watchful, but I think too much focus on it tends to breed paranoia.
“We need to rationally consider a whole lot of things, I’d say. Are you willing to do that or do you simply think guns are the sole or even main cause of mass killings?”
Tell me where I EVER said that. I respect the rights laid out in the second amendment, but I don’t blindly wield it to justify any and all arms in the hands of the untrained. The responsibility of safely handling those weapons is something we too often trifle with when we allow them to be procured so easily. Ask a military trained man or woman about the discipline and practice needed to safely handle some of the weapons you can get at Wal-Mart these days. I don’t fear the guns, I fear some of the trigger-happy fools who can have them sitting in the living room. If you’re going to make them so easy to get, you have to make sure those who have them know how to secure them and keep them out of the hands of nuts like the ones in Aurora and Newtown. That’s a problem we haven’t even begun to address.
“So says you. I am surprised that an educated school teacher would not realize that there are potential situations in which a form of tyranny may be imposed”
Tell me those, since you seem to think you know so much more about it. How exactly will “tyrrany” be impose in your vast knowledge of this country?
“Now you are becoming offensive, mindlessly parroting aspersions of racism.”
Didn’t point any fingers, dude. It’s no secret that there a good number of folks out there who see that as an issue, and I can name some in my own family. Sorry if I hit a nerve, but that view is out there, none to carefully couched in rhetoric to make more PC to the masses.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
11:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMOM1bPiSX4
RF
December 22nd, 2012
11:18 pm
“The 2nd Amendment is for our country 100 years from now as well as today”
I agree, but does that absolve us from demanding some responsibility from those bearing the arms? We train our soldiers carefully and they follow very precise, rigid procedures in their handling and use of the array of weapons they have. The nonchalance with which we justify a lack of that discipline and training among our citizenry is frankly scary to me. If we can’t reasonably debate the type of weapons that the 2nd amendment allows, then I think we had better be willing to set better standards for registering the weapons and making sure the bearers of them are trained and properly respect the power they wield. The vast majority of owners I know agree that it’s too easy for the untrained and ignorant to get their hands on far more firepower than they should ever have. It tarnishes the image of the respectable, and that is something that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
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December 22nd, 2012
11:33 pm
RF:
“then I think we had better be willing to set better standards for registering the weapons and making sure the bearers of them are trained and properly respect the power they wield. The vast majority of owners I know agree that it’s too easy for the untrained and ignorant to get their hands on far more firepower than they should ever have.”
I hear you but think through what you just posted.
Do you want murderers like the one at the Connecticutt school or your common everyday street thug “better trained” with his weapon??
Mick
December 22nd, 2012
11:42 pm
Hey scout – merry christmas from vegas aka sin city…will be in tahoe tomorrow….keep doing your thing, even though I mostly disagree, you have the right and you never know when I might actually be nodding agreement…have a safe, healthy new year for both you and your family…
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2012
11:47 pm
Does RF think that we can regulate a crazy man.?You can throw out all the nonsense you want about training, regulating guns and yadda yadda yadda.
Bottom line is that there really isn’t much if anything you can do about a madman determined to get a hold of a gun and do some crazy shyte.
All of this handwringing and all this “we have to do something”, “something has to be done” is just a waste of time. And that is the cold, hard truth.
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December 22nd, 2012
11:51 pm
Mick:
You too sir and God bless !
Mick
December 23rd, 2012
12:03 am
doom
BOOM – heading to tahoe and life is good! The president? bah humbug! The congress? Triple bah humbug! My life? An adventure that needs no politics but I’m a junkie anyways because I’m an american that cares – balance just gets a bad name. Merry Xmas
oldguy
December 23rd, 2012
12:20 am
Exactly TD,
guns don’t go out and commit crimes, Its people that commit crimes.
Fact: Crimes committed with guns involving shootings is down over the past 10 years.
Fact: There are more guns is circulation now than ever before.
Fact: Laws without the full support of the general population are ineffective. Take your choice, US drug laws, prohibition, speeding laws, If gun laws worked Mexico would be the safest country on the face of the earth.
Fact: The Clinton assault weapons ban had no measurable effect on gun crime. Google “Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review ” and read.
So the push is to “Do something” whether it will work or not. Reference our many Billion dollar effort at Airport security, how many terrorists has it caught?
You want action? look at what works! The Israelis have lived with terror threats to their schools for 60+ years, organized terror. Do what they do if you want something that might actually work.
Or we could pass laws and possibly make millions of our otherwise law abiding citizens lawbreakers.
What makes more sense?
Or we could do as the old saying goes “Run in circles, jump and shout”.