‘Now the time has come; there is no place to run’
As we all know, the Mayan long-count calendar comes to an end today, at the winter solstice of the 13th b’ak’tun. And there are three basic interpretations of what happens next:
A.) Nothing.
B.) A new era begins, dramatically different from that which came before.
C.) It all ends. Everything. Kaput. Finito. Put a period on that sucker.
"I swear, these fools will believe almost ANYTHING!"
Option A, while most likely, is also the least amount of fun. Totally boring.
Option B, on the other hand, offers far more opportunities for exploration. Might we really be at the dawning of a new age? There are some who say we might very well be.
Consider, for example, the fact that the last time the Mayan long-count calender flipped over was some 5,129 years ago. And what was happening around that time frame?
A lot, as it turns out. Roughly 5,000 years ago, the Stone Age ends. Early agriculture begins in North Africa. Troy is founded. Betty White is born. Stonehenge is built. Cities emerge. The Bronze Age begins, and with it recorded human history. It was indeed a time of total transformation of human consciousness.
Are we now perched at the edge of another such transformation? The evidence. some say, is compelling. Consider, for example, this portion of the Dresden Codex, a Mayan book and the oldest known book written in the Americas. It is reported to deal with the end of time. Note the prominent figure carrying a bucket spilling water — a water carrier. As in Aquarius, the water carrier.
As in Age of Aquarius, dawning of? I report, you decide.
For those of a more pessimistic frame of mind, we offer Option C. The problem with Option C is that many, many prophecies of the end of time have been issued by charlatans over the centuries, and so far none has come true.
And how do we know they’ve never come true? Because you’re still sitting there reading this, you dummy.
But you see, that’s the easy answer to the easy question. The deceptively easy question. Here’s a tougher question: What if we’re NOT really here? What if the world as we knew it really HAS ended, and we are now someplace else but just don’t realize it?
Sure, everything may look the same. It may even feel the same. It’s Friday. Friday Night Travelin’ Music is on Bookman’s blog, just as it always is. It’s all exactly the same.
But … isn’t it all just a little TOO exactly the same? What if this world is SUPPOSED to look the same and feel the same as THAT world?
In the words of that great seer, Rod Serling:
“We know that a dream can be real, but who ever thought that reality could be a dream? We exist, of course, but how, in what way? As we believe, as flesh-and blood human beings? Or are we simply parts of someone’s feverish, complicated nightmare? Think about it, and then ask yourself, do you live here, in this country, in this world, or do you live instead… in the Twilight Zone.”
I suspect that is a question that John Boehner has no doubt asked himself often.
Now the time has come (Time)
There’s no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I’ve been loved and put aside (Time)
I’ve been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
EXCELLENT COWBELL!
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Real Scooter,
I type the truth.
Sometimes, the truth hurts.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
“Guns win so move on”
No, they won’t. Their owner’s might…or might not…but the guns won’t give a damn.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
1:03 pm
Bro: I’m not too sure about indigo’s background, but I think I have an idea about his previous screen name though. Seems that he has a peculiar interest in what I “think” as a previous poster did.
Keep: Oh sure, its all about Brosephus
Right On! He’s Black, He’s Bald…and……
======================
Who cares what “debbiedoesdallas sez!
Oh wow the Debbie Does Dallas moniker! Wow! I have never heard that one before! You are sooooo original! That stuff right there will put you on the map!
You’re on your way, Azz puller! You’re on your way! Stuff like that can make a azz puller famous! Why i bet you just pulled that name right out of your azz like you do your comments on this blog!
You’re on your way!
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
1:05 pm
“Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom? — President Barack Obama at a vigil in Newtown, Connecticut.”
The answer is it is the price of our freedom to own guns.
Freedom is never free.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
1:10 pm
If it works in some schools, seems logical to me that it would work in all schools.
Yeah, just like every single school in this country is exactly alike, with the same students, the same issues, the same demographics, and all situated in exactly the same environment.
Let’s see you get Republicans to vote to raise taxes necessary for hiring, training, supporting, and paying all those police in ALL our schools.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
FWIW,I think you may be on to something in your earlier post about gun sales between indviduals.Not sure we could ever get the legislation on it though.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
DDR, registration, insurance and liability for failures to follow the laws are all reasonable sensible suggestions
I think its a good strong first step. But we might be able to take one or two more……
=================
indigo @ 1:00 — My bad.
Jeesh! it’s after 1 and I STILL haven’t made it to the mall!
I think i’m going to procrastinate for a few hours more; anything but fight that frantic mob at the mall!
paulo977
December 22nd, 2012
1:14 pm
Debbie D R ..”By her very nature she was a giver, a caretaker, a lover not a fighter.
Not everyone is as bloodthirsty as you are. There are still people in the world who, despite all that the NRA has been trying to do, don’t like guns, would never own a gun, and would not ever willingly TOUCH a gun.
That has nothing to do with COURAGE — her very selfless act, trying to save her school, was COURAGEOUS.”
___________________________________________________________
Debbie , you have exposed us..WE LOVE GUNS and KILLING!! The Money made by the sale of guns is astronomical . We are at a point where we are almost totally dehumanized.
And now we advocate for MORE guns in school for security?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
1:16 pm
“Not sure we could ever get the legislation on it though.”
Thanks, and yes I agree…we’re not likely to see it passed.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm
I don’t think a small gun law change will pass the gop house.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:22 pm
Let’s see you get Republicans to vote to raise taxes necessary for hiring, training, supporting, and paying all those police in ALL our schools.
I’m not so sure you could get very many Dems on board with that either Bro.This a very complex issue unfortunately.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
1:26 pm
I wonder if our SC would rule guns are people like corporations.
Skip
December 22nd, 2012
1:30 pm
The cons going to let a gay guy with a gun guard the school?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
1:32 pm
The cons going to let a gay guy with a gun guard the school?
Or, a guy with a gay gun?
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm
Actually, I agree with K’chak!
And I’m not being entirely heh-heh when I say this, but am I the kind of person you want to be armed? And, yes, I could pass one of Del-Wa-do’s vettings. So could he, and I don’t want him armed in a school either.
We are all, understandably, trying to make heads or tails of this and wanting an answer to the question of what could we HAVE done then or CAN do in the future to prevent such. The answer, sadly, is not much.
Indigo in his own peculiar and sometimes off the wall approach to things does make a point…we can accept the same number of deaths, many of them children, in the minority neighborhoods of our major cities on just about any given day and it doesn’t even rate a passing mention, Why? Because that’s “normal.” But when a lunatic goes off the wall in an isolated incident, horrible and gruesome though it is, in a “safe” environment, it becomes 24/7 non stop.
We have a sliding scale of life value for our own citizens much as we do for ours versus those abroad. How many schools in Syria were hit this week and how many children died? Yes, I know that is a stretch, but let’s come back home and see how we apply the same mentality. Since Sandy Hook, how many children have died in gun violence, essentially, just walking down the street, so to speak.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm
The cons going to let a gay guy with a gun guard the school?
No,they are going to pass a law that bans gays from having guns!
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:35 pm
SKIP
Sshhh DADT!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
And I’m not being entirely heh-heh when I say this, but am I the kind of person you want to be armed?
Probably, but I don’t see that teachers are immune to the statistics of mental illness. They are probably more or less in line with the population as a whole.
Their stress level, however….
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:40 pm
A gay Swamp Rat-Hillbilly Jew from Mississippi with a boa and an attitude…vet, that! -)
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Speaking of stress — three more presents to buy, damnit!
Off to join the madding crowd.
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:42 pm
K’CHAK
“Their stress level, however….”
Returning to the serious, for a minute. Yes.
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
1:43 pm
Falcons VS Detroit: 8:30 EST. Any of you knuckleheads want to drink beer and watch the game?
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Damn I just missed Kam. And he only has THREE to buy? I haven’t bought a single present yet.,…….
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:48 pm
gay Swamp Rat-Hillbilly Jew from Mississippi with a boa and an attitude…vet, that! -)
You left Hell Raising Rebel out of that description!
paulo977
December 22nd, 2012
1:49 pm
Is the future ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMZqgX5HXZc
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:51 pm
SCOOTTER
Yeah, that, too…not to mention delusional lickspittal, plantation liberal, a’hat!
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Falcons VS Detroit: 8:30 EST. Any of you knuckleheads want to drink beer and watch the game?
This one does Fred! But I’m going to do it at home cause I plan on drinking alot.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
1:54 pm
Yeah, that, too…not to mention delusional lickspittal, plantation liberal, a’hat!
I think we have all the bases covered now! Whew I feel better.
josef
December 22nd, 2012
1:57 pm
Scootter,,,
Well, not exactly…we left out white man…. -)
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm
I beg to diffa suh,Jews ain’t white! Or are they?
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
2:07 pm
Jay sure killed one of the best words to be developed in the last 20 years at least…….
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=axxhat
(Replace the xx’s with s’s to get to the link)
josef
December 22nd, 2012
2:19 pm
Scootter
Depends on which ones we’re talking about…don’t get no whiter than the ones with roots down ’round these parts! Them from Up Nawth? They’re trying real hard, bless their hearts.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
2:20 pm
Brosephus – 1:10 “like every school in this country is exactly alike”
You have it exactly backwards, and not by accident I’m guessing.
It is not about the schools, it is about the SHOOTERS.
They do seem to be pretty much alike. Young, mentally deranged white men.
And, in fact, most schools in America are pretty much alike from
an architecural standpoint.
I’m sensing a fear here. These inner city schools do have guards, and our tax money pays for it. Maybe, if all schools demanded similar protection at taxpayers expense, Republicans would respond by stoping ANY schools from having these guards.
So, it’s ok for black inner city schools to have guards and metal detectors but for other, mostly white ones, who cares.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
2:22 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2012
2:19 pm
ROFLMAO!!!!!!
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
2:32 pm
So, it’s ok for black inner city schools to have guards and metal detectors but for other, mostly white ones, who cares.
indigo,I’m not Brocephus but you did make me have a thought about that.
Could it be that the city schools have that stuff cause they are worried more about the faculty being harmed by the students? (no snark)
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
2:42 pm
I thought we settled on anal derby.
Anyhoo, stop watching football, drinking beer and go feed our economy.
josef
December 22nd, 2012
2:42 pm
SCOOTTER
It’s like Brosephus and I have both been trying to make a point of, one size doesn’t fit all. In inner city schools it’s not so much even the student attack on teachers, but the spill over of the gang violence into the schoolhouse.
And folks, let me make a point here. Back in January of 1971 we had an armed guards at the ends of every hallway, two in the gym, three in the cafeteria and at every entrance. At my school, they were removed with only a residual presence after the first week, They were all gone within a month. At other schools they were there most of the rest of the year.
Were they needed? At my school, no. At others? I’m not sure they were needed, but they did keep the potential troublemakers (students and adults alike) at bay.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
2:57 pm
I think teachers have enough on their plate and security is law enforcement’s jobs.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
3:06 pm
joseph – 2:42
When it comes to troublemakers in the school, that is a good point.
However, when it comes to crazy outside shooters, we just can’t predict which schools will be hit and which ones won’t.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
3:08 pm
Real Scootter – 2:32
I did not think about that. It is a good point and may very well be true.
However, since we don’t know which schools insane outside shooters will target, I still say we need armed guards at all schools.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
3:18 pm
indigo
I’m sensing a fear here. These inner city schools do have guards, and our tax money pays for it. Maybe, if all schools demanded similar protection at taxpayers expense, Republicans would respond by stoping ANY schools from having these guards.
Whatever you’re smoking, snorting, injecting, huffing, or otherwise putting into your system that’s affecting your senses, you need to seek help. I have no fear of anything of the sort. If you think it’s a Black/White thing, then fry your brain cells until your heart’s content. I don’t see it that way, and I’m guessing many others do as well. Otherwise, every school in the US would have had metal detectors after Columbine.
First of all, you need to educate yourself as to why urban schools installed metal detectors in the first place. Do you recall mass shootings at urban schools in the 1980s? Nope, but that’s when metal detectors first started getting installed en masse.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041703642.html
Suburban Schools Reject Metal Detectors
By Daniel de Vise
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 18, 2008
In spring 1991, after a teenage girl stabbed a classmate in the cafeteria of an Anacostia school, the D.C. Board of Education voted to install metal detectors at the front entrances of 10 middle and high schools.
No other school system in the region has embraced the technology, even as metal detectors have multiplied in courthouses, museums and other public buildings across the region over the past two decades.
Many school officials view metal detectors as costly, impractical and fallible. To suburban parents, they conjure up images of armed camps. Even at Albert Einstein High School in Kensington, where three loaded guns were found in a locker last week, consensus is building against them.
“I don’t want my son to come to school through metal detectors. That’s prison,” said Alex Colina, speaking to several hundred other parents at a community meeting Monday night.
Metal detectors are notably absent from the binge of security enhancements at public schools across the nation since 1999, the year of the Columbine High School massacre.
[...]
Metal detectors appeared in urban high schools in the 1980s as a response to rising gang violence. The devices were common in New York, Detroit and other large cities when the D.C. school board embraced them 17 years ago, after a pair of stabbings at middle schools. Now they are in every D.C. middle and high school, along with X-ray machines, added in 1998 to scan book bags, coats and purses.
D.C. school officials say the detectors are a proven deterrent. They note that no firearm has been discovered inside a District school this academic year.
The trend toward metal detectors never spread much beyond a core group of urban schools, however. Nationwide, the share of secondary school students who walk through metal detectors at school has increased only slightly, from 9 percent in 1999 to 11 percent in 2005, according to the Justice Department.
Educate yourself first. That way, you won’t continue to embarass yourself with your “feelings” and “thinking”. Guns were not the major concern for urban schools when they began to install metal detectors. It was knives and other edged weapons. Metal detectors were in schools long before gangs embraced guns as their weapon of choice.
If your White schools wanted them, they could have had them a long time ago. Even after countless shootings and guns being found on campus, you White folks haven’t done anything. So, if you want to make it a race based argument, which it is not, I can go there with you and spank you from that point of view as well.
Google is your friend if you choose to embrace it.
Sensing fear….
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
3:24 pm
Cobb gun show attracts scores looking for assault-style rifles
As gun control talks heat up in Washington, more than 1,000 people lined up Saturday morning outside the exhibit hall at Jim Miller Park in Cobb County for the Eastman Gun Show.
Many hoped to walk away with assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines they fear may soon be outlawed.
Lining up to get guns.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
3:29 pm
DDR @ 1:03
Jm
December 22nd, 2012
3:32 pm
Why don’t we just ban deranged white video game playing boys?
Fewer of those than guns in this country.
Jm
December 22nd, 2012
3:35 pm
Sooth 3:24
Predictable
Obama and gun control have been the best thing for gun sales ever
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
3:36 pm
Five myths about gun control
3. America’s schools have become shooting galleries.
From Columbine to Sandy Hook, few crimes are more heinous than the killing of children. But schools are remarkably safe for kids — safer than their homes or the streets. Out of a school-age population of roughly 50 million, the number of violent school deaths between 1992 and 2010 did not exceed 63 per year, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. In other words, the odds of a child dying from a violent attack at school are about one in a million.
That statistic is cold comfort to the families of the children slain in Connecticut and elsewhere. But schools continue to be safe places, and since the 1999 Columbine High School shooting, many have implemented security procedures to foil those contemplating crimes in the classroom. These measures include lockdown drills, metal detectors and security cameras, extra training for faculty and staff, and the presence of police officers — sometimes called “resource officers” — assigned to regular school duty.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
The majority wanted him to act so he will act jm.
Majority rules.
One Big A Mistake America
December 22nd, 2012
3:43 pm
And so Dear leader, who cannot decide if he wants to be Barkley, Woods or a Harlem Globetrotter has begun chapter two of his entitlement travel tour. As taxes go up 20% and payments for military services go down 20%, Obama and the Tax o Crats now have MORE money to spend than under the new Pelosi plan, which the Crats are now voting against. How Typical. As more and more people work for the Government, which produces NO revenue, only takes in, the private sector shrinks and taxes will go up every year until the government has all the money and people have none. Welcome to N. Korea and every Islamic state, which is what Obama wants any way. Who else BOWS to the Saudi king? No one-only a Muslim. So as the Harlem Globetrotter goes to Hawaii to celebrate RAM a Dan, all men named Dan are protecting their butts from the radical Islamists. oh yes, the peace loving Islamists. They love peace when the entire world is Islamic. Oh you can practice another religion, but only inside your own house where no one else can see it. Had the islamists tried to do this during the Reagan years, we would have no islamists on the planet. KABOOM! And you notice, no other Arab country is willing to give up land for the paleterrorists. They know they are trouble makers. They were kicked out of Jordan and Syria for being too radical. Too radical for Syria? yup- they make the current riots in Syria look like a kindergarten fight. Democrats are TOO CHICKEN too fight and just want to tax tax tax and spend spend spend with out saving for a rainy day. Just like the KC/sunshine band song: tax tax tax, spend spend spend, shake your piggy, shake your piggy!
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm
Brosephus – 3:18 “your white schools” “you White folks”
I wonder how you’d react if I, or anyone here, posted something to you and said “your Black schools” and “you Black folks”?
Secondly, why am I getting such a lecture on metal detectors? I’ve been talking mostly here about armed guards, not metal detectors.
The bottom line has not changed.
None of us know what school, all black, all white, mostly black, mostly white, or any anything else, a deranged shooter will pick out.
It is no guarantee but, two police at the door is certainly better than what most schools have now, which is little or nothing.
As for the Republican politicians you mentioned earlier, if posting these officers means raising taxes in any way, they will fight to keep extra police protection for schools from ever happening.
We don’t agree on much. However, I think you might agree that many Repubclians seem to focus pretty much on protecting the rich and ignoring everyone else.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
mistake,
ODS much?
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
We are marginalizing the cons, their failed party and their lobbyists like the nra and grover,
We are moving forward not back.
Our economy is taking off after the gop self inflicted crisis.
I am proud of our President for bringing this change.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
4:49 pm
indigo: I wonder how you’d react if I, or anyone here, posted something to you and said “your Black schools” and “you Black folks”?
Secondly, why am I getting such a lecture on metal detectors? I’ve been talking mostly here about armed guards, not metal detectors.
Dude, do you even pay attention to what you type here? Do you ever re-read your posts??? Your last part of your 2:20 post read: “So, it’s ok for black inner city schools to have guards and metal detectors but for other, mostly white ones, who cares.”
Guards, also known as resource officers, are at many schools in both urban and suburban areas. Therefore, I see no need to debate them as that point is moot. The difference in the schools are metal detectors.
When you specified Black (with a capital b) inner city schools, you brought race into the debate. Prior to that post I responded with, I have not mentioned race as race has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children. This debate has already been “Black this” and “Black that”. I’ve seen Chicago, inner city schools, and urban mentioned so many times, you all are becoming pathetic and predictable. So, if you’re wondering how I’ll respond if somebody posts what you suggested, take a look at my posts over the past week and you’ll see my response.
This is not about race. This is not about what ifs. This is about formulating plausible and achievable means to protect our kids. Short of keeping kids in the house and schooling them over the internet, there is no sure fire way to protect them. That’s just a fact of life.
We don’t agree on much, and that’s partly because I find your zeal to argue ad nauseum over the same points as meaningful as watching grass grow. It has nothing to do with you personally, but when I see that somebody chooses to hear what they want to hear as opposed to what’s said, I generally don’t look for agreement with that person. I have an adverse distaste for closed-minded people.
Republicans won’t raise taxes to cover the cost of police. Democrats can’t possibly pass enough gun restrictions to keep kids safe. One simply has to learn that there is no way to make anything 100% safe, and we just have to learn to live our lives in that aspect. Violence is part of our culture. You’re not going to remove it or contain it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
well look….someone has time traveled from the ignorant past.
But what good is stupidity if you cannot continue to repeat it over and over again with bowing and that man love for the Reagan. This one probably has a friend with a Panda suit wanting to perform at a comedy club downtown.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
Recon @ 12:19
“It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation with most on the left. They have tunnel vision and can only focus firearms as the cause, which most objective thinkers know that it isn’t . I have too many things to do this afternoon, so good luck in your attempts to reason with them.”
It all boils down to this:
Sheep
Wolves
Sheepdogs
NONE of the three understand the other ……….. it’s an impossibility.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
“A vote last month that makes Californians among the highest-taxed residents in the country is sparking debate about whether the Democrat-back initiative will backfire, by forcing high-earners to join a long exodus from the cash-strapped state.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/22/new-tax-increase-in-california-stirs-debate-about-adding-to-exodus/#ixzz2FoywpKyR
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
“It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation”
We know your solution is more guns.
christie said no.
What else you got?
Nothing.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
I have been really taking a hard look at the 2nd amendment. It is one of several of the original amendments that have proven very problematic for us over two centuries removed because of their succinctness and odd phrasing. Trying to really get at the meaning of these amendments can be a frustrating yet rewarding intellectual exercise – something bound to sharpen one’s thinking.
What is interesting in all of this is that the interpretative positions taken on both sides of the ideological spectrum wind up being inconsistent and self-contradictory. For example, assuming the “liberal” (which is really not liberal but constrictive) take on this amendment, then one’s right to bear arms is confined to service in a militia. Yet the same proponents of this position will, on the other hand, cite the 9th amendment as ground for all sorts of unenumerated rights we are now in the process of asking the SCOTUS to officially confer upon “the People”. Whatever the 2nd amendment may actually mean, the right for an individual to bear arms for reasons of self defense and the like, in the 18th century up to the present time, has undeniably been both an unenumerated (if the 2nd amendment does not stipulate it) right and a right stipulated by a number of state constitutions. Similarly, the “right” to have an abortion should properly have been argued on the grounds that it was apparently practiced (albeit on a small and behind closed doors scale) in the 18th century and in England before it – not on a generalized right to privacy absent from the Constitution and, as far as I know, from the discourse and debates from the 18th century. So, even though I have opposed Roe vs. Wade on moral grounds and its speciousness, I probably could not – from a purely constitutional perspective – have much to criticize if it had been decided along the lines I suggest.
Just food for thought.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
Funny thing about Vietnam vets is they think they know everything but are clowns like Si on Duck Dynasty. Heh, Jack, that is what I am talking about. Booya.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
5:30 pm
“A vote last month that makes Californians among the highest-taxed residents in the country is sparking debate about whether the Democrat-back initiative will backfire, by forcing high-earners to join a long exodus from the cash-strapped state.”
Hmmm…seems like I remember burdensome taxation being somehow related to the Revolutionary War. Or am I just ignorant of the latest version of revisionist history?
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
Some historical perspective to keep in mind when considering school violence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
Google no taxation without representation crier.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
6:00 pm
Brosephus – 4:49
“do you pay attention to what you type here”
Once again, during the day, I’ve mostly talked about police at schools, not metal detectors. The key word in MOSTLY.
“you all are becoming pathetic and predictable”
In all the time I’ve been posting, not once have I ever mentioned Chicago or urban schools.
“your zeal to argue ad nauseum over the same points”
You might want to look in the mirror on that.
“this is not about race”
Unless it turns out that almost all inner city schools have armed guards and almost all the rest don’t. Then, if this continues, many people will ask why these inner city school kids are being protected and why their kids aren’t.
And, as you know, schools not in the inner city have plenty of black students. So, in that very important sense, this certainly isn’t about race.
All parents want their kids to be safe. Nobody wants to see another 20 school kids going down in a hail of assault weapon gunfire.
In the end, after all is said and done, I, like you
call ‘um like I see ‘um
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
In all the time I’ve been posting, not once have I ever mentioned Chicago or urban schools.
I guess that inner-city doesn’t mean urban, huh?
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
Scout – 9:47
Who pays for these inner-city school guards?
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indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
Brosephus
I’ve been given to understand here that inner-city schools have armed guards.
Should they be removed?
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indigo
December 22nd, 2012
2:20 pm
I’m sensing a fear here. These inner city schools do have guards, and our tax money pays for it. Maybe, if all schools demanded similar protection at taxpayers expense, Republicans would respond by stoping ANY schools from having these guards.
So, it’s ok for black inner city schools to have guards and metal detectors but for other, mostly white ones, who cares.
So, if you want to parse semantics, you did not say urban schools, but you made quite a few mention about inner-city schools, which most people would say are urban schools.
Had you bothered to read the information I linked for you, you would have found the reason for the security precautions in the “inner-city”/urban schools. Those precautions had nothing to do with people coming in and shooting up the school and more to do with curtailing gang violence which was mostly edged weapons at the time.
If people want those things in their schools, they would have already voted to have them installed by now. The same article I linked in reference to the gang violence also revealed some parents objecting to metal detectors in their schools even after several guns were found there. One parent in that article even stated they didn’t want the school to look like prison.
You call it like you see it, and so do I. I’d love to see your supporting evidence to back up your viewpoint. I’ve already posted things to back up my view.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
6:49 pm
Foolish to concern ourselves with schools. No it’s foolish not to concern ourselves first with what should be the highest priority and that’s securing schools and protecting innocent children. Anyone who believes otherwise is hopelessly beyond foolish.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
7:08 pm
0311
It all boils down to this:
Sheep
Wolves
Sheepdogs
NONE of the three understand the other ……….. it’s an impossibility.
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I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally trained to go against
it’s nature.
Skip
December 22nd, 2012
7:09 pm
getalife, please don’t lump all VietNam vets, you never know who the rest of us are.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
“it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally trained to go against it’s nature.”
No, it hasn’t. What has happened is that it has been bred (not trained) to halt the hunting progression of skills at the chase, and not continue on to the catch, kill and eat. The training they get channels that natural instinct to being done on command and not on will. But the dogs will herd, and not catch or kill, even when there is no person around…because that is how they have been bred.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
7:20 pm
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Damn I just missed Kam. And he only has THREE to buy? I haven’t bought a single present yet.,…….
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
Oops, forgot to type a reply
Fred ™
December 22nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Damn I just missed Kam. And he only has THREE to buy? I haven’t bought a single present yet.,…….
Heh, heh, heh, did hedge your bets and wait until after the Llamapocalypse too?
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
Doggone/GA
no training, they just naturally respond to sheepherder whistles ?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
“no training, they just naturally respond to sheepherder whistles ?”
They are not trained to not kill, catch and eat. I already SAID “The training they get channels that natural instinct to being done on command and not on will”
Or did you not bother to read the whole thing?
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm
Well, will this one be a “bookie loss” like Carolina? I wouldn’t bet on Atlanta in this game for all the tea in China. I sure hope you don’t have Atlanta and anything less than 35! Good luck!
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm
HEADLINE: “Florida governor asks Obama to block possible ports strike”
So, if Obama grants Gov. Scott’s request, is he acting as a dictator, showing bipartisanship, or butting into labor affairs (again)?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/22/us-usa-ports-scott-idUSBRE8BL0EN20121222
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
Doggone/GA
They are not trained to not kill, catch and eat. I already SAID “The training they get channels that natural instinct to being done on command and not on will”
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so, they naturally chase, catch, kill, and eat..but through selective breeding
the dogs that chase and stop have been trained to chase and stop on command
and have no natural instinct to catch kill and eat, correct?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
“so, they naturally chase, catch, kill, and eat..but through selective breeding
the dogs that chase and stop have been trained to chase and stop on command
and have no natural instinct to catch kill and eat, correct?”
Pretty much. They have been trained to channel the instinct to chase into the directions that their owner wants them to do.
Of the domesticated dogs, the Sighthounds are among the few types that retain the full range of hunting instincts…all the way to the kill. But they are generally bred to stop short at the eat part, though some will if they kill far enough away.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
Doggone/GA
my original post:
I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally trained to go against
it’s nature.
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Had I said:
I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
I guess Obama is not “black” enough for some folks (who don’t apparently realize he is mulatto):
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/12/22/Cornel-West-Coward-Obama-Doesnt-care-when-black-folk-get-shot-just-when-the-vanilla-children-do
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
“it is the sheepdog that has been unnaturally bred to go against it’s nature, would that have been correct?”
Closer. Domesticated dogs virtually ALL go against the nature of wild canines. But…they are NOT wild canines, and they have been bred in ways that channel natural instincts into usefulness for man. So in that sense, it is their “nature” to behave as they have beed bred to behave.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
8:26 pm
LOL. The ACLU is quite content with, say, computer-generated child pornography being protected as free speech but not the unquestionable right for an individual to bear arms arguably stipulated in the 2nd amendment but, if not, clearly stipulated by state constitutions and an unenumerated right by centuries of historical fact up to the present day.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/22/ACLU-Lawyer-Says-Justice-Scalia-Is-Right-Censoring-Violent-Video-Games-Won-t-Work
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:28 pm
breitbart
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:29 pm
Doggone/GA
Closer. Domesticated dogs virtually ALL go against the nature of wild canines. But…they are NOT wild canines, and they have been bred in ways that channel natural instincts into usefulness for man. So in that sense, it is their “nature” to behave as they have beed bred to behave
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so had I said:
I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?
No.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
“I think the sheep and wolves naturally understand each other
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to go against
it’s nature, would that have been correct?”
No. Because the sheep “understand” and reacto to both wolves and herding dogs the same. They are reacting to the actions, not whether or not the dogs have been trained or are wolves. Their instincts to flock together and to move away from the presssure put on them is the same for both dogs and wolves.
You need an analogy based on something you understand. You don’t understand dogs, wolves or sheep and how they interact.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm
Kamchak
had I said:
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to chase sheep
would that be correct?
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
Interesting piece:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336240/roots-mass-murder-charles-krauthammer
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:39 pm
You don’t understand dogs, wolves or sheep and how they interact.
Nor how our ancestors chose canines based on what characteristics they wanted and bred them with canines with similar characteristics.
Thus we have working dogs like shepards and we have small dogs bred to go after rodents.
And then there’s the Irish wolfhound that was bred to hunt wolves.
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm
Kamchak
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm
it is the sheepdog that has been bred to chase sheep
would that be correct?
No, the sheep dog has been bred to herd sheep.
The difference is, once the solitary animal is back with the herd, the “chase” is over.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
“And then there’s the Irish wolfhound that was bred to hunt wolves”
Well, that’s what they claimed anyway. Problem is, by the time the modern Irish Wolfhound came along…wolves had been extinct in Ireland for centuries!
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
Doggone/GA
No. Because the sheep “understand” and reacto to both wolves and herding dogs the same. They are reacting to the actions, not whether or not the dogs have been trained or are wolves. Their instincts to flock together and to move away from the presssure put on them is the same for both dogs and wolves.
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so when wolves chase sheep they react as if sheepdogs are chasing
them and under the same pressure
Towncrier
December 22nd, 2012
8:45 pm
Doh:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336257/tired-race-card-jonah-goldberg
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
8:45 pm
barking frog:
I hear you but I don’t think “human” sheepdogs can be trained. They are born that way and all training does is enhance their skills.
Now that said ………. there’s nothing wrong with being a sheep. That’s just normal and probably applies to 95+% of the general population.
However, “human” sheepdogs grow up to become police officers, firemen, Marines, soldiers, Navy SEALS, etc., etc. It’s just in their nature to want to do those things.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:46 pm
“it is the sheepdog that has been bred to chase sheep would that be correct?”
No. A sheepdog that chases sheep is not doing his job. They are bred to herd them. Chasing scatters them. Herding groups them together.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
Kamchak, Doggone/GA, 0311
Now I understand the misunderstanding among sheep, wolves and
sheepdogs but Irish wolfhounds are clearly the answer to the problem….
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
8:49 pm
“so when wolves chase sheep they react as if sheepdogs are chasing
them and under the same pressure”
The words you use prove how little you know or understand about wolves, dogs and sheep. Wolves don’t chase sheep. They put herding pressure on them to see who is the slowest and weakest.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm
Doggone/GA
herding not chasing? another integer in the equation..
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm
“Air Marshals, Armed Teachers, and Gun-Free Zones: Are You Consistent?”
“Schools fall under federal “gun-free zone” law. Far more Americans support gun-free schools than support gun-free flights; a segment of the U.S. population thus exists which supports undercover air marshals yet rejects undercover “school marshals.”
Leave aside the emotion: does logical reasoning present grounds for this divergence in opinion?”
http://pjmedia.com/blog/air-marshals-armed-teachers-and-gun-free-zones-are-you-consistent/
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
..but Irish wolfhounds are clearly the answer to the problem….
There really is no problem.
Each animal has it’s place in the natural order.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
8:55 pm
Wolves don’t chase sheep. They put herding pressure on them to see who is the slowest and weakest.
I’ve read stories where wolves will get into a pen of sheep and kill every animal, but that really isn’t natural, because humans confined the sheep so they were all vulnerable, not just the weakest and slowest.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
0311
I understand the herding instinct in humans and it may be born
and bred because we have sheepherders and not sheepchasers
but I have heard that some sheepherders are sheepcatchers and
they do catch and eat or catch and release like fishermen