‘Now the time has come; there is no place to run’
As we all know, the Mayan long-count calendar comes to an end today, at the winter solstice of the 13th b’ak’tun. And there are three basic interpretations of what happens next:
A.) Nothing.
B.) A new era begins, dramatically different from that which came before.
C.) It all ends. Everything. Kaput. Finito. Put a period on that sucker.
"I swear, these fools will believe almost ANYTHING!"
Option A, while most likely, is also the least amount of fun. Totally boring.
Option B, on the other hand, offers far more opportunities for exploration. Might we really be at the dawning of a new age? There are some who say we might very well be.
Consider, for example, the fact that the last time the Mayan long-count calender flipped over was some 5,129 years ago. And what was happening around that time frame?
A lot, as it turns out. Roughly 5,000 years ago, the Stone Age ends. Early agriculture begins in North Africa. Troy is founded. Betty White is born. Stonehenge is built. Cities emerge. The Bronze Age begins, and with it recorded human history. It was indeed a time of total transformation of human consciousness.
Are we now perched at the edge of another such transformation? The evidence. some say, is compelling. Consider, for example, this portion of the Dresden Codex, a Mayan book and the oldest known book written in the Americas. It is reported to deal with the end of time. Note the prominent figure carrying a bucket spilling water — a water carrier. As in Aquarius, the water carrier.
As in Age of Aquarius, dawning of? I report, you decide.
For those of a more pessimistic frame of mind, we offer Option C. The problem with Option C is that many, many prophecies of the end of time have been issued by charlatans over the centuries, and so far none has come true.
And how do we know they’ve never come true? Because you’re still sitting there reading this, you dummy.
But you see, that’s the easy answer to the easy question. The deceptively easy question. Here’s a tougher question: What if we’re NOT really here? What if the world as we knew it really HAS ended, and we are now someplace else but just don’t realize it?
Sure, everything may look the same. It may even feel the same. It’s Friday. Friday Night Travelin’ Music is on Bookman’s blog, just as it always is. It’s all exactly the same.
But … isn’t it all just a little TOO exactly the same? What if this world is SUPPOSED to look the same and feel the same as THAT world?
In the words of that great seer, Rod Serling:
“We know that a dream can be real, but who ever thought that reality could be a dream? We exist, of course, but how, in what way? As we believe, as flesh-and blood human beings? Or are we simply parts of someone’s feverish, complicated nightmare? Think about it, and then ask yourself, do you live here, in this country, in this world, or do you live instead… in the Twilight Zone.”
I suspect that is a question that John Boehner has no doubt asked himself often.
Now the time has come (Time)
There’s no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I’ve been loved and put aside (Time)
I’ve been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
EXCELLENT COWBELL!
– Jay Bookman
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
887 comments Add your comment
Joe the Prophet
December 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
So, we need to have more guns than our neighbors…..we have to have guns to go to school, the supermarket, church, the movies…?!?!? (These are all places where murders have occurred)….
You really want to raise your kids in this kind of country…?!!?!? This is the kind of world that Jesus had in mind….!!?!?!?
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
“Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?”
He was in the other end of the building.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Despite emotions, little happens legislatively after mass shootings:
_________
Let’s make sure that is not the case this time.
And things have happened. Many school districts and schools in Atlanta have armed guards. And school security has been increase. To say nothing has happenned is incorrect.
But more needs to happen now.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Oscar: If the principal had time to lunge at the shooter, she had time to fire off a round with a shotgun.
I think her chances of sucess would have been much greater by firing a shotgun then by lunging unarmed.
First — I am appalled at your belittling of that teacher’s life. SHE WAS A HERO. Let me repeat this, SHE WAS A HERO. She gave her life, trying to save others. Could you have done the same? Probably not.
Second – By her very nature, she would not have been the type of person to shoot, kill, or harm anyone. You speak so cavalierly about her being armed, yet you didn’t even bother to research the type of person she was in life — how do i know this? Because you wouldn’t have made that asinine comment if you would have.
DAWN HOCHSPRUNG, 47, principal
On Saturday, officials in Newtown, Conn., lauded the heroism of Hochsprung, a relatively new principal, noting she had lunged toward the shooter in an attempt to overtake him before being fatally shot. A fourth-grade teacher at the school credits Hochsprung with flipping on the intercom switch, which broadcast “screaming and crying,” through the school, in order to warn teachers.
Hochsprung’s close friends aren’t surprised by the heroic actions of a woman they remember as putting her students first.
“I don’t think you could find a more positive place to bring students to every day,” Hochsprung told a local paper in 2010 when she first started at the elementary school. As news of the tragedy emerged Friday and Saturday, parents at Sandy Hook raved about a principal who truly cared about their kids—a woman who made “going to the principal’s office” a reason for excitement, not dread. “I never saw her without a smile,” Aimee Seaver, the mother of a first grader, told CNN. “I believe she had the children’s best intentions [in mind] all the time. She was always looking out for them.”
Hochsprung was a highly motivated educator, and being the principal of Sandy Hook wasn’t accomplishment enough to slow her down. Last summer, she was accepted into the doctorate program of the Esteves School of Education at the Sage Colleges in New York. The year before, she won a school grant called Sharing the Dream from the National Association of Elementary School Principals. She had also recently volunteered to co-chair the strategic planning commission for the school district.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
10:39 am
How well did the armed guards at Columbine work out?
The Virginia Tech police department?
But sure, armed guards at the front door…… so use the back door…. oh wait, perhaps every door and window. Or maybe we can build schools like underground bunkers.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
Brosephus – 10:17
Two police officers at that Conn. school would have saved 26 lives.
Teachers could be given a beeper device which would allow them to signal the police at the door if they heard gunfire.
As for the student with a gun in the backpack, none of the school massacers occured in this manner. It’s hard to put an assault rifle in a backpack.
You are looking at this in an “all or nothing” way. Either it is 100% effective or there is a 100% chance it won’t work.
I’m saying there is a good chance that two police officers, with police rifles, at the front doors and teachers, with devices to alert the cops if they hear gunfire, would at best kill the shooter before he ever gets into the school and, at worst, reduce the carnage from what it would have been.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
Brosephus
I’ve been given to understand here that inner-city schools have armed guards.
Should they be removed?
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
10:42 am
Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?
Prior to that incident, most officers were not trained to deal with active shooter situations. The training, at that time, was to set a perimeter and wait for SWAT to handle things.
Most police training is always reactive to things already encountered vs proactive training. It’s hard to imagine scenarios to train for when there is no idea of what a person is capable of doing. Until the Hollywood shootout, police weren’t accustomed to dealing with shooters covered in kevlar using automatic weapons.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
10:42 am
Debbie
I think she would have pulled the trigger to save lives if she had had a weapon.
Your assumptions that she would not belittle her more than my belief that she would.
You are saying she didn’t have the courage to fire a weapon. I think she did.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Fox News Scoops Obama’s Hawaii Roots: Big Afro, African Father, Lazy People, Pot and Prostitution
But hey, its not stereotyping.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
keep – 10:39
Well, if guns are that inneffective, why are gun nuts howling about banning them?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
“Until the Hollywood shootout, police weren’t accustomed to dealing with shooters covered in kevlar using automatic weapons.”
Nor did they usually carry long-range weapons. The police in the incident were severly handicapped by having to get closer to the criminals to use the weapons they had. I’ve seen the video several times. It’s an eye-opener.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
Brosephus, not going to disagree but it proves the point. Mere armed guards or volunteers without extensive training are effectively useless and merely a “blue sky hope certificate” that perhaps they will be in the right place at the right time, ready, willing and able, actually pull the trigger, and not harm too many innocents. A viable strategy to our Ftroopers? How silly.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
10:48 am
indigo, who is arguing about banning guns? That is a clownish answer and you know it. The call is for sensible gun control and gun safety laws…well except for the idiots at NRA. But if that is the side you want to be on, have at it.
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
The important to remember in life is that if you’re going to do something, you have to do it right or not at all!
You’ll love this.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
10:56 am
indigo: Two police officers at that Conn. school would have saved 26 lives.
…
You are looking at this in an “all or nothing” way. Either it is 100% effective or there is a 100% chance it won’t work.
Ummmmm, I think you’re the one looking at this as an all or nothing situation. I have not stated such a thing. Why you insist on putting words in my mouth is beyond me, but I guess that’s your way of validating your “rebuttals”.
My view is that armed officers are no guarantee against anything. An armed officer is target #1 in an active shooter situation. Considering that this shooting happened in December in Connecticut, it’s not unbelievable that a long winter coat could hide a rifle long enough to get close enough to an officer to get the drop on him and take him out. I don’t think armed officers are a good thing, and I don’t think they are a bad thing. This idea is simply emotional knee jerk where we don’t need it.
If I walk up on you wearing a coat with this backpack here, I could likely drop you in your tracks before you realize what hit you. If you’re one of two armed officers, I have just removed half the threat with one fell swoop.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Well, I think I got a idea that will get us all the police we need at every school in the country and even make a little money. Me and my buddy Jim Earl come up with it at Billy Bob’s last night.
Every school should open a donut shop. . .
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
stands: The gun lobby likes to tell its loyal customer base that simply by owning guns, they are ready to live Hollywood fantasies…..
Here’s a good article I found on line that highlights your salient points:
Do Armed Citizens Stop Mass Shootings? The consensus of the article was: Not all interventions are successful: Other armed civilians who have attempted to stop shootings have been left severely injured or have been killed.
==========
Scout: Do all you can BEFORE an incident but also be prepared to do all you can DURING an incident.
Please read above ^^ link. Thanks.
=========================
Joe: Name an organization that depends of fear and terror to further their cause….
Al Queda, the Syrian government, Hamas, the NRA……
Never thought of it like that before, but that’s a really accurate statement.
=====================
marko: To deal with the problem, men like Wild Bill Hitchcock took their guns away while the enjoyed the local attractions. They could have them back when they got the hell outta Dodge.
Another good point and an answer to a question i’ve posed on this blog several times before. Thanks!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Good Fight @ 10:47
Then I assume you are for extensively trained guards in our schools ?
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:00 am
Keep
______
by your logic, unless you undergo extensive training you should not own a gun and keep one in your house for protection because it would be effectively useless.
Now that is silly.
JamVet
December 22nd, 2012
11:00 am
Wow! That’s what I’m talking about. Partying until 6AM and then getting up at 10, ready to really start the holiday festivities!
But alas, I haven’t done dick for Xmas shopping yet. I don’t mind getting the people in my life gifts, at all. I just dislike the process intensely. I think I need minions. Shopping minions. (To got awful places like the mall and Walmart.!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PouMzBdB-Ts
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
The argument suggesting that it is either guards are every school or guards at no school (pulling out guards from inner city schools) is another silly oversimplistic binary “either/or” rabbithole. Gun violence and inner city issues have a great deal of overlap. Solving gun violence and safety issues are complicated matters not the simplified dumbed down stupidity that the NRA tries to feed its masses because it believes them to be idiots. The NRA members are smarter than that but when you are trying to please your corporate funders, like Walmart, the biggest seller of guns in this country, even your members don’t matter.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:02 am
To deal with the problem, men like Wild Bill Hitchcock took their guns away while the enjoyed the local attractions. They could have them back when they got the hell outta Dodge.
_______
That was Wyatt Earp. Not Wild Bill. When John Wesley Hardin and other gunslingers would come to town, Wild Bill would disappear from town and come back when they were gone.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
Oscar, ridiculous attempt to put words in my mouth. You should be ashamed. If you want a gun for your home for self protection once you pass basic training, its your issue and that of your family if you are not smart enough to keep it up. Put someone around kids and the public with guns and yes, you should have extensive training and required recertification. That is why we train police forces despite the clownish GOP effort to cut their pay.
DannyX
December 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
I don’t think there is a solution to this problem. You can’t take away all of the guns, and if you could that wouldn’t stop the massacres. In China school children are attacked with knives. You can’t put enough armed guards in the schools to stop the violence. Movies and video games aren’t the cause either.
The fact is humans are not perfect creatures. It takes only one crazy person out of millions to inflict such a tragedy. I don’t mean to be insensitive, but these acts of violence are inevitable. We may be able to slow these things down by doing a better job at identifying and treating the illness that cause these tragedies.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Your assumptions that she would not belittle her more than my belief that she would. You are saying she didn’t have the courage to fire a weapon. I think she did.
No disrespect, but what a Jackazz you are. Did you even READ the type of person she was? Did you even BOTHER to see HER and not your idealized NRA talking point?
By her very nature she was a giver, a caretaker, a lover not a fighter.
Not everyone is as bloodthirsty as you are. There are still people in the world who, despite all that the NRA has been trying to do, don’t like guns, would never own a gun, and would not ever willingly TOUCH a gun.
That has nothing to do with COURAGE — her very selfless act, trying to save her school, was COURAGEOUS.
Duh!
Where is our leader?
December 22nd, 2012
11:08 am
Where is your leader heading when Z fiscal cliff is looming in days?
Hawaii! What a poor example when middle class folks are struggling. Whoops, left off the low and upper income as well.
Everybody will struggle Jan 1, Dems and cons!
Be ready!!!!
DannyX
December 22nd, 2012
11:08 am
“But alas, I haven’t done dick for Xmas shopping yet.”
Fox News alert! An act of war on Christmas at 11:00! Someone call Fox and Friends.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:10 am
Oscar, ridiculous attempt to put words in my mouth.
________
Those were your words, just translated into what they really meant.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:10 am
“Hawaii!”
Just in case you aren’t aware…Hawaii is on the phone and satellite systems. It’s actually possible to call people there. Isn’t that just AMAZING?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Where is your leader heading when Z fiscal cliff is looming in days?
Hawaii! What a poor example when middle class folks are struggling. Whoops, left off the low and upper income as well.
You mean the Republican congress is in DC…oh that right’s they left yesterday or sooner. Did you engage your brain before that post?
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Debbie
Now your have become diorientated and are merely babbling without any rational thought process.
But, that’s what I expected.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
Oscar, please show me who gave you permission to translate into your buffoonery. Please go visit Kyles if you want to be childish.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
oscar: by your logic, unless you undergo extensive training you should not own a gun and keep one in your house for protection because it would be effectively useless.
Oscar, here’s an idea and a comment:
YOU, oscar, should never have any training in weapons safety. and YOU, oscar, should have a million guns in your home.
Now the comment:
Then maybe while cleaning them you can shoot your foot off because you forgot to check and see if there was a round in the chamber, you know since you never learned how to properly handle a weapon and all. A win/win situation — a teachable lesson and consequences for being stupid all in one fell swoop.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
“Did you engage your brain before that post?”
No
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
. In China school children are attacked with knives.
Yes, but those children LIVED. Ours, who were shot down, did not.
=================
DG: Isn’t that just AMAZING?
=====================
Keep: Did you engage your brain before that post?
Was that one of those “gotcha” rhetorical questions that I’ve heard about?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:24 am
“But alas, I haven’t done dick for Xmas shopping yet.”
I haven’t either — but I’m going to go out to the happiest place on earth today and do some shopping.
I’m going to Lennox Mall!! Hooray!! Hooray For capitalism and some really great sales!!!
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:24 am
Keep
You are the one being childish. Not me. You know you are wrong and won’t admit it.
Saying prinicpals and teachers should not be allowed acces to weapons in school without extensive training is just not a reasonable statement.
Debbie,
Your resorts to person insults does not deserve a reply.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
Brosephus – 10:56 “I have not stated such a thing”
And then, you give multiple reasons why it’s almost certain armed guards would be useless.
“armed officers are no guarantee against anything”
I never said it was “guaranteed” that armed officers would be 100% effective. I said there was a good chance police officers would be effective.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
“Your resorts to person insults does not deserve a reply”
Yeah, next time use animal insults!
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:27 am
If armed officers are ineffective, should we not save money
by banning police ?
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
11:28 am
keep
You are suggesting that guns don’t work for safety.
That’s why I said, if that’s true, why is it so hard to ban them.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
I’ve seen no proponent of armed security in schools suggesting that they shouldn’t be well trained. I would take it a step further and say that they should first of all be well vetted including psychological evaluations and be experienced law enforcement or military who have proven skills with firearms in combat situations. We have plenty of people who possess that experience and skills. The left has no good argument against securing our schools and protecting our children. All of the arguments against are only suppositions without supporting facts or hatred rants directed at the NRA or gun ownership generally. Discussing solutions isn’t of interest to most on the left. The only solution for them is penalizing millions of law abiding citizens to protect society from a miniscule few, while ignoring solutions that would actually protect society and preserve freedoms for the greater peaceful majority.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
I want to get rid of your guns but I want to keep mine.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
indigo
@ 10:40
Two police officers at that Conn. school would have saved 26 lives.
@ 11:25
I never said it was “guaranteed” that armed officers would be 100% effective.
So, in your world, asserting that two police officers at that school “would have” saved 26 lives isn’t saying that armed officers would be 100% effective, right? C’mon man. I know you have a better understanding of the English language to even attempt something like that. You’re the one speaking in 100% either/or terminology, not me. There are far too many variables and unknowns to even begin to guess what “would” or “could” have happened.
We can’t change the past. We can only use the past to learn and grow as people. Engaging in the woulda/coulda game is nothing but a coping mechanism to make people feel good. That’s why I try to avoid those things. No two schools are going to be exactly alike and there is no “one size fits all” solution to protecting students from these kinds of attacks.
10:56 “I have not stated such a thing”
And then, you give multiple reasons why it’s almost certain armed guards would be useless.
Go back and point out where I said that it’s almost certain that armed guards would be useless? Just because I point out where I think your logic falls apart doesn’t mean that I said they would be useless. Once again, you’re putting words into my mouth in an attempt to validate your points.
I’ll put this in this post so that you can, again, see my point of view, and not the point of view you “think” I have. I don’t think armed officers are a good thing, and I don’t think they are a bad thing. This idea is simply emotional knee jerk where we don’t need it.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
The fact is, weapons should be kept in the principal’s office or other secured places in schools, and the principal and selected teacher’s should have access to them for use in times of emergency.
Not all people require extensive training in order to be allowed access to those weapons.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
Dog – Spoken like a real dog.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
11:41 am
Not all people require extensive training in order to be allowed access to those weapons.
Yeah, they really do.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
Oscar: You are the one being childish. Not me. You know you are wrong and won’t admit it
Ahhh… there is the childish post of the day.
Recon, are you suggesting that in addition to education training and certification, that principals and teachers also be SWAT trained? SWAT and police training is not easy and needs constant reecetification. Absolutely silly to suggest we are going to train teachers the same way. Are you going to raise their salaries too? How many 24-28 year old young women (a stereotype I admit but a majority of new teachers)have to go through this training in addition to working on educational issues?
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
Mandatory mental and psychological evaluations could leave us
without a government.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:44 am
DDR, yep…rhetorical and answered before asked!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
11:46 am
Mandatory mental and psychological evaluations could leave us
without a government.
Or teachers.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
“Dog – Spoken like a real dog.”
Awwww…did I touch a sensitive nerve?
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
Keep up
DDR, yep…rhetorical and answered before asked!
……………………………………
two lawyers agree? money will change hands….
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
Recon @ 11:32
THANK YOU ………… emotion vs. reason as usual.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
barking frog:
“If armed officers are ineffective, should we not save money
by banning police ?”
Please resend that to “Keep Up the Poor Fight”.
He is for protecting inner-city school kids but not suburban/country school kids.
Out for the afternoon …………….. everyone be nice.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
When Gun Nuts Write Gun Laws, Nuts Have Guns — We are living in the world the NRA has made.
So this is what Wayne LaPierre came up with, with a week to reflect on the news that a law-abiding gun owner’s legally purchased rifle, in the hands of her firearm-trained son, had been used to slaughter 20 kids: more guns, more law-abiding gun owners, more more more lead-spraying death machinery, more killing to stop the killers until all the killers have been killed.
Only when we have eliminated the threat of “gun-free school zones,” the danger and horror of children going through a school day unsurrounded by the implements of death, will we all feel safe.
People who live in the world of causes and effects and verifiable truths, the world the NRA has long since abandoned, had no trouble pointing out the flaws in LaPierre’s analysis—the fact, for instance, that there had been an armed deputy sheriff on duty at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999.
Around the time LaPierre was speaking, someone in Pennsylvania was shooting another batch of people, including armed state troopers.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
frog – that’s two out of three.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:50 am
Kamchak 11:46
josef will not like that….
btw, spell check does not like your name or josef’s..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
Awww…poor Senior Digits knows he lost so he has to resort to name calling.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:52 am
Why isn’t Atlanta a gun free zone. Dodge City once was.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
11:53 am
He is for protecting inner-city school kids but not suburban/country school kids.
Typical of the buffoonery, idiotic lies and false commentary we’ve grown to expect from Ftroopers.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
11:55 am
Why isn’t Atlanta a gun free zone. Dodge City once was.
_
Probably because Wyatt Earp is dead.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
Brosephus – 11:39
The shooter in Conn. walked up to the school door. He had an assualt rifle in his hands. If there had been two police officers there, under those circumstances, I think it’s safe to say they WOULD HAVE stoped him.
The tone of your 10:56 indicates you think armed officers would be of little or no use. My commenting on that tone is not “putting words in your mouth”.
I’m still waiting for an answer to my 10:41.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
Oscar
One man with a gun can make a difference.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
11:59 am
frog: If armed officers are ineffective, should we not save money
by banning police ?
Mandatory mental and psychological evaluations could leave us
without a government.
two lawyers agree? money will change hands….
Hiya Frog! I see the force, (your wiseazzery), is strong this morning…..
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm
Frog – But Wyatt Earp never received extensive training in use of weapons. Probably never should have been hired and allowed to carry.
DebbieDoRight - more killing to stop the killers until all the killers have been killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:03 pm
Only if Oscar is carrying his super soaker water gun…………
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
12:03 pm
I’ve been listening to some of the arguments on gun control/banning and doing some thinking on the subjcect and I think the big hole is private gun sales. They are not regulated and are not subject to background checks.
I’m beginning to think that what is needed is more reponsibility placed on the gun seller. Despite the arguments against registration of all guns (with which I do not agree) – I think all guns should be registered. And when a gun is sold it should be the reponsibility of the SELLER to ensure that the registration is no longer in his name.
I’d suggest having laws that make the registered owner of the gun partly responsible if the gun is used in a crime. If the gun is no longer in that owners possession and they made no effort to ensure the records show that…well, too bad. They should be convicted and punished, appropriate to the crime, for being complicit in that crime.
And the law should be written so that insurance CANNOT cover any fines or expenses that might ensue from such a crime. Make it REALLY, REALLY to the owners advantage to be sure the records no longer show him as the owner of any gun no longer in his possession.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
12:06 pm
She read from a police report on the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado, detailing the unsuccessful attempts of two armed officers to derail one of the shooters, Eric Harris:
FEINSTEIN: Jefferson Country Sheriffs Deputy Neil Gardner, the school’s Community Resource Officer, seeing Harris walking with his gun, kneeled over the top of his car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the Deputy. After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and call for assistance from another Sheriffs unit. ‘Shots in the building, I need someone in the south lot with me.’ Later, another officer shot back at Harris as the student shot out a window. Again, according to the Sheriffs transcript. Harris, leaning out of a broken window, on the set of double doors into the school began shooting a rifle. Jefferson County Deputy Paul Smoker fires three rounds at him and the gunman disappears from the window. Smoker continues to hear gunfire from inside the building as more students flee from the school.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Typical of the buffoonery, idiotic lies and false commentary we’ve grown to expect from Ftroopers.
The conned — to know them is to
feel very, very sorry for them…love them!Where is our leader?
December 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
“Did you engage your brain before that post?”
I guess, I didn’t! I was grabbing my a$$ since based on the income I make, I will get greased!
DebbieDoRight -
December 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
Enter your comments here
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
12:13 pm
Keep, I believe I said well vetted, experienced law enforcement or former military in my 11:32
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm
Oscar
Frog – But Wyatt Earp never received extensive training in use of weapons. Probably never should have been hired and allowed to carry.
……………………………………………
I believe Bill (and maybe Hilary) Clanton felt that way.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm
The shooter in Conn. walked up to the school door. He had an assualt rifle in his hands. If there had been two police officers there, under those circumstances, I think it’s safe to say they WOULD HAVE stoped him.
What’s to say that, if there were two officers there, that the kid didn’t walk up with a heavy winter coat on, rifle underneath? As I tried telling you, and you simply refuse to comprehend, there are too many variables to play the what if game. For every what if with a positive outcome, there is one with an equally negative outcome.
As to your 10:41, did you not comprehend where I said they were both good and bad? Where have I stated that we need to undo anything? My view is that we need to remove the emotion, which you apparently can not do, and look at things from a logical point of view. If a school works well with metal detectors and armed officers, then do that to keep the kids safe. If you have to do something like key-card access doors and such, then do that.
I’m simply not going to get into the knee jerk what if’s and such. Trying to figure out what plan works is not going to be a “one size fits all” idea. I think I’ve said that more than once as well.
I guess, though, a simple answer to your 10:41 would be N-O!
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm
Debbie do
Thanks. Force is my only recourse these days.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
indigo: The tone of your 10:56 indicates you think armed officers would be of little or no use.
Consider the fact that tone doesn’t translate very well through written word. Otherwise, you’d be tone deaf. I’m simply trying to relay the idea that police are h-u-m-a-n and are falliable. If police were such a guarantee, as you seem to think judging the tone of your posts, we would not have an “Officer Down Memorial Page” website that shows over 40 officers killed in the line of duty to gunfire.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
0311/ 8541
It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation with most on the left. They have tunnel vision and can only focus firearms as the cause, which most objective thinkers know that it isn’t . I have too many things to do this afternoon, so good luck in your attempts to reason with them.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
DG @ 12:03 — Sort of like the “bar owner” laws that some states have on the books now? I like the idea, but I think that should be like step one in a multi-lateral stepped approach.
==============
WIL: I was grabbing my a$$
Yep — that sounds about right……….
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
The goal is to prevent one death by guns so that tells me the change will be very small.
More children will get massacred so that is the price we pay for freedom to be gun nuts.
Enjoy your freedom and remember, those kids died for your freedom.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
12:24 pm
Recon, and your evidence that there are available waiting applicants for these jobs at 2/3’s of our schools across the country? Let’s be clear: well vetted, experienced law enforcement or former military does not mean that they are suited to be around schools or kids so give us the real numbers and the actual qualifications
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
Bro: As I tried telling you, and you simply refuse to comprehend, there are too many variables to play the what if game.
I think indigo may be a law student or a person who studies debate. indigo will “debate” both sides to any post on this page.
When these shootings first started, indigo was debating the NRA and gun lobbyists and indigo’s stance was decidedly PRO gun control.
Today it seems different. I don’t think there is an emotional attachment to indigo’s posts — i think indigo is just debating for the sake of a good debate.
OR I could be wrong and indigo is shizo. Who knows……
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm
that should be SCHiZO! not shizo! sorry.
DebbieDoRight - More Killing To Stop The Killers Until All The Killers Have Been Killed.
December 22nd, 2012
12:33 pm
It’s really futile to discuss viable alternatives to onerous gun control legislation with most on the left.
Resistance Is Futile…….
http://lucas2012infos.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/cheney_and_bush_borgs_resistanceisfutile1_490×495.jpg
Sagegirl
December 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Front Page of Huffington Post:
TO LIVE AND DIE IN AMERICA. U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Gun violence is everywhere.
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm
Debbie – Now you seem to be calling me a con. That’s even worse than being called a childish jacka$$..
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
12:36 pm
Just be honest and admit you are okay with child massacres for your freedom to own guns.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
DDR aka Triple D
I’m not too sure about indigo’s background, but I think I have an idea about his previous screen name though. Seems that he has a peculiar interest in what I “think” as a previous poster did.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
12:38 pm
U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100
The issue is not schools only….its malls, its the street, its homes, its road rage, gun violence is everywhere. Only the foolish address the issue by focusing on schools only.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Oh sure, its all about Brosephus.
Where is our leader?
December 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm
Who cares what “debbiedoesdallas sez!
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
Now you seem to be calling me a con. That’s even worse than being called a childish jacka$$..
LOL Oscar!!!!! Some people need to realize this is not a con or lib thing.There are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle that like and/or dislike guns.IMO
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
Keep Up
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 22nd, 2012
12:46 pm
DDR, registration, insurance and liability for failures to follow the laws are all reasonable sensible suggestions
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 22nd, 2012
12:48 pm
Kamchak 11:46
josef will not like that….
Oh well — we inhabit a less than ideal world.
btw, spell check does not like your name or josef’s..
How sad.
Spell check has always been a friend of mine.
getalife
December 22nd, 2012
12:52 pm
The nra are lobbyists so they lobby for more guns and did their job.
Government’s job is to protect the people so they will try but fail.
Will there be more massacres?
Of course, will the government keep trying?
Probably not after this small change.
Guns win so move on.
Real Scootter
December 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
Guns win so move on.
Dang getalife,quit stirring the pot dude! lol
Emotions are already running rampant.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
12:58 pm
Brosephus – 12:14
“if a school works well with metal detectors and armed officers, then do that to keep the kids safe”
If it works in some schools, seems logical to me that it would work in all schools.
Or do some states have better crazy shooters than others?
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Debbie – 12:26
I am PRO gun control.
I am also realistic to know gun control isn’t likely to happen anytime soon.
So, let’s have police offices in ALL our schools.