‘Now the time has come; there is no place to run’
As we all know, the Mayan long-count calendar comes to an end today, at the winter solstice of the 13th b’ak’tun. And there are three basic interpretations of what happens next:
A.) Nothing.
B.) A new era begins, dramatically different from that which came before.
C.) It all ends. Everything. Kaput. Finito. Put a period on that sucker.
"I swear, these fools will believe almost ANYTHING!"
Option A, while most likely, is also the least amount of fun. Totally boring.
Option B, on the other hand, offers far more opportunities for exploration. Might we really be at the dawning of a new age? There are some who say we might very well be.
Consider, for example, the fact that the last time the Mayan long-count calender flipped over was some 5,129 years ago. And what was happening around that time frame?
A lot, as it turns out. Roughly 5,000 years ago, the Stone Age ends. Early agriculture begins in North Africa. Troy is founded. Betty White is born. Stonehenge is built. Cities emerge. The Bronze Age begins, and with it recorded human history. It was indeed a time of total transformation of human consciousness.
Are we now perched at the edge of another such transformation? The evidence. some say, is compelling. Consider, for example, this portion of the Dresden Codex, a Mayan book and the oldest known book written in the Americas. It is reported to deal with the end of time. Note the prominent figure carrying a bucket spilling water — a water carrier. As in Aquarius, the water carrier.
As in Age of Aquarius, dawning of? I report, you decide.
For those of a more pessimistic frame of mind, we offer Option C. The problem with Option C is that many, many prophecies of the end of time have been issued by charlatans over the centuries, and so far none has come true.
And how do we know they’ve never come true? Because you’re still sitting there reading this, you dummy.
But you see, that’s the easy answer to the easy question. The deceptively easy question. Here’s a tougher question: What if we’re NOT really here? What if the world as we knew it really HAS ended, and we are now someplace else but just don’t realize it?
Sure, everything may look the same. It may even feel the same. It’s Friday. Friday Night Travelin’ Music is on Bookman’s blog, just as it always is. It’s all exactly the same.
But … isn’t it all just a little TOO exactly the same? What if this world is SUPPOSED to look the same and feel the same as THAT world?
In the words of that great seer, Rod Serling:
“We know that a dream can be real, but who ever thought that reality could be a dream? We exist, of course, but how, in what way? As we believe, as flesh-and blood human beings? Or are we simply parts of someone’s feverish, complicated nightmare? Think about it, and then ask yourself, do you live here, in this country, in this world, or do you live instead… in the Twilight Zone.”
I suspect that is a question that John Boehner has no doubt asked himself often.
Now the time has come (Time)
There’s no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I’ve been loved and put aside (Time)
I’ve been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
EXCELLENT COWBELL!
– Jay Bookman
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moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
8:23 pm
That is PoFo.
He’s sprung!!!
godless heathen - Christmas Declared War on Me
December 21st, 2012
8:24 pm
georgia Maybe the start of NO GUNS in this world.
And flying monkeys might come out of my butt.
http://youtu.be/ZGrHEUvgt30
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
8:27 pm
godless, don’t entice PoFo.
He is an original member of the Fab 4 Eyes.
He led the conga line at the 69 Woodstock, man.
josef
December 21st, 2012
8:34 pm
moonbat
oh, good…so how’s my eighties friend? Don’t know why, but this one has been stuck in my head all week…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z92bmlcmyq0
appleseed
December 21st, 2012
8:41 pm
Thought Messiah come Nov.6th.
josef
December 21st, 2012
8:41 pm
moonbat
maybe not at woodstock, but I think that may be him on the right @ :57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw6T8tWODsI
josef
December 21st, 2012
8:42 pm
appleseed
Nyanh…november the 6th was THE RETURN…
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
8:42 pm
Good song by Beatles and Siouxsie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh_x8uBUbkc
josef
December 21st, 2012
8:48 pm
Y’all temme sumpin…did Wal-Mart have a sale on t*rds today? Buy one, get two free?
moonbat
@ 8:42
Nice pick…got it on the other screen as we speak…
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
8:49 pm
jo,
It’s just those damn yankees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE
godless heathen - Christmas Declared War on Me
December 21st, 2012
8:49 pm
moonbat: I’m not familiar with PoFo, but the idiots have been coming out of the woodwork this week. Many of them getting face time on the major media outlets to talk about guns.
godless heathen - Christmas Declared War on Me
December 21st, 2012
8:53 pm
Y’all temme sumpin…did Wal-Mart have a sale on t*rds today? Buy one, get two free?
Maybe. Can’t even get any holiday feeling going. Maybe this will help.
http://youtu.be/P37xPiRz1sg
Real Athens
December 21st, 2012
8:53 pm
Another Jay told me he had nothing to do with this collage, he just wrote the song. It’ll make you cry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJZMvM2Jac
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:04 pm
godless, loved your santa/iron man song!
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:04 pm
Lame, Real A.
godless heathen - Christmas Declared War on Me
December 21st, 2012
9:07 pm
moonbat: At a company Christmas party a few years ago, I did a Bad Santa appearance. That was my entry song.
josef
December 21st, 2012
9:11 pm
HEATHEN
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:13 pm
“At a company Christmas party a few years ago, I did a Bad Santa appearance”
You da man, heathen.
Merry Christmas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYfXlMR9QA
josef
December 21st, 2012
9:24 pm
calling it an early night…catch up with y’all later…
godless heathen - Christmas Declared War on Me
December 21st, 2012
9:26 pm
Thanks moonbat: Even us heathens like Christmas time. Great to see family and friends. And you get to goof off at work a lot.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Soltice, Hannuka. Whatever.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
9:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q_doVpa1_c
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9BZDpni56Y
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:40 pm
Kam, pardon…
I wondered when someone would play that song.
oldguy
December 21st, 2012
9:44 pm
Unfortunately Jay I am sadly afraid that we will all wake up tomorrow and the world, as we know it, will still be here and we all will have to try to cope with that!
I am not sure the human race would not be better off if the Mayans were correct! A giant undiscovered comet perhaps?
p.s. (and this is true!) my older daughter and her significant other are going to be greeting the dawn tomorrow on Easter Island in the middle of the Pacific. How is that for comittment !
Merry Christmas to all, (even to you libs). yes I said it, wash my mouth out with soap!
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:46 pm
As Drago once said,
“If he dies, he dies”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
9:53 pm
Shaking off the ennui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYqIvnPvqQ
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:56 pm
O’baby…you just shut yo mouse…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8IXx4tsus
Morality?
December 21st, 2012
10:09 pm
Both sides created this disaster and both sides now have no where to hide. NO way is the gub’ment going to solve this …. ’cause the gub’ment ain’t God. Pray for a miracle.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
10:12 pm
Both sides created this disaster…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
10:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKjFb9eB6k
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
10:15 pm
Kam, behave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzA9ii4KWjo
oldguy
December 21st, 2012
10:25 pm
It can’t be said any better…
To all the guys who didn’t make it back from Nam and all the wars since…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCQTr8ZYdhg.
Recon 0311 2533
December 21st, 2012
10:54 pm
Jon Hammar is free thanks to Fox News and the Florida Senators.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlNw0myBG4
getalife
December 21st, 2012
11:00 pm
Thanks josef.
Moonbat,
pf would have attacked me ruthlessly.
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
11:03 pm
I don’t know why pf has not attacked you ruthlessly, yet, getalife
He seems a lttle nicer now.
massachusetts refugee
December 21st, 2012
11:12 pm
merry crimble posters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jxGnP536AU
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
11:21 pm
One more Mr. Cash.
moonbat out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EA
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
7:05 am
RIP Lee Dorman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4
Stevie Ray..Clowns to the left and Jokers to the right..here I am...
December 22nd, 2012
7:37 am
But there is someplace to run. Just ask our President who after a blubbering request for Congress to stay and do their job on the overblown ‘cliff” issue…he bolts to Hawaii..
Another fine example of leadership…
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2012
7:43 am
American Express Publishing and The Harrison Group found that 67 percent of the top one percent of American earners support higher income taxes. Their support has grown since the election. This summer, 62 percent of them supported higher taxes.
So the Republican party is not the party representing the rich but the party representing the rich scum–Adelson, the Koch boys, et al.
dcb
December 22nd, 2012
7:48 am
Over my head I guess, Jay. But then I’m 71 and a conservative.
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 22nd, 2012
8:12 am
Happy 22nd all y’all…no end of the world. All you survivalists can put away your Bushmasters now, yuk, yuk.
Stevie Ray,
I know you’re better than that. President Obama has been doing all he can. It isn’t his party that is in civil war. A war, I might add, that will hurt us all if they don’t come to terms soon. As to the President “bolting to Hawaii”. It is, after all, his home State. There’s no place like home for the holidays, right?
————————–
And you said, “Another fine example of leadership…” What would you have him do, capitulate to the ideologically moronic minority that seems to be bringing down the Republican Party? If he did that, he would deserve to be Impeached.
No, we will slide over the edge and there will continue to be the bickering among the GOP, until the stark reality of what has happened hit home…then the GOP will deal in good faith with the President. But it will be too late, recession will be with us, businesses will have cut jobs to cut costs and it will be remembered in 2014 that it was the fault of a small group of ideologically insane Republicans who caused this mess…and the GOP will pay at the ballot box, giving the Democratic party a majority in each house.
marko
December 22nd, 2012
8:14 am
every day this week we’ve seen tiny coffins carried to their final resting place. we are now to believe that the problem can be corrected with armed guards in our schools . Personally I don’t see a legitimate need need for assault rifles, nor do I care much for a school guards chances of of shooting it out with a punk in full body armor and a bushmaster.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
8:23 am
Stevie Ray – “he bolts to Hawaii”
And all the rest of Congress bolts for their home districts where the cons will trash Obama to their electorate.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
8:28 am
marko – 8:14
Imagine two police officers, armed with pistols AND police rifles, standing at the door of a school.
Then, imagine a person with a visible rifle walking towards these officers.
What do you think would happen?
Do you really think those two officers would just stand there and let themselves get shot?
As for body armor, that works both ways.
Is there some law that says our cops do great jobs but just are useless against someone coming to a school to kill all the kids?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
What people seem to be forgetting is that the DOORS WERE LOCKED.
Lanza shot his way into the school. Has anyone suggested bullet resistant glass near and on all doors leading into the schools.
Both that and a police presance near all schools at ALL times.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
Imagine two police officers, armed with pistols AND police rifles, standing at the door of a school.
Then, imagine a person with a visible rifle walking towards these officers.
What do you think would happen?
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm
Ask Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy Neil Gardner what happened when he drove up on an active shooter at Columbine High School.
barking frog
December 22nd, 2012
8:48 am
The Feinstein Renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban which
probably won’t make it through the House. That’s all, folks.
The GOV
December 22nd, 2012
8:55 am
“Imagine two police officers, armed with pistols AND police rifles, standing at the door of a school.”
I’d be scared! I imagine a child would be too.
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2012
8:56 am
Peppy Wayne LePew has shown us that he still stinks as much as ever.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 22nd, 2012
9:03 am
Bro
I hope you and your family have a great Christmas.
I am flying home today (coming back Tues.) and working sunday and monday.
The fun never ends.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
9:10 am
The fact is that we can secure our schools and prevent tragic killings such as what occurred at Columbine and at Sandy Hook. Armed security personnel inside each school and advanced access and monitoring systems would secure the schools. Even the deranged knowing that schools are adequately secured and the chances for successfully carrying out their murder fantasy would be minimal at best would prevent them from targeting schools. We should begin there with protecting our children within their school learning environment as the highest priority. Re-instituting firearm bans on so called assault weapons and accessories won’t serve to adequately protect our children.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 22nd, 2012
9:14 am
Del
How many armed security guards? How many entrances? How many buildings are at the school?
AND since no one on the right seem to want to raise taxes, what gets cut out of the school budget?
The answer needs to not be a knee jerk reaction. Short term beef up police presance
Road Scholar
December 22nd, 2012
9:17 am
Stevie Ray: Don’t you know that all spending bills are suppose to begin in the House? At least you could remember your nervous breakdown concerning the charges made from the right about the Healthcare law…that was passed! So if you want to complain, call or email the House members and tell them to get their behinds back to Washington to do their job. Who deserves a vacation when there is urgent work to be done? It begins in the House.
And by the way for the right, President Obama stays in contact with all even though he is in Hawaii, his home state! Ya’ know with phones and computers and etc.
As for the NRA response, I wonder if the new security will include machine gun nests, scud missiles and drones? Let’s have a show of force to make our children feel safe……and paranoid to boot!
Corbin Sharpe. I think, therefore I am...I think
December 22nd, 2012
9:18 am
Del’s answer is to make our schools like Fort Knox. That is no answer at all. What kind of psychological effect will that have on our children?
Your president's 47% are at it, again...
December 22nd, 2012
9:21 am
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Frenzy-Rushes-Hulen-Mall-for-New-Air-Jordans-184433261.html
Road Scholar
December 22nd, 2012
9:21 am
If we protect the schools, then what is next? Swimming pools, food stores, our beloved walmarts? Movie theaters?
He!!, this could be a growth industry! Halliburton could bid on it ! Just think of the possibilities!
He!! just think!!!!!!!!!!!
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
“How many armed security guards? How many entrances? How many buildings are at the school?”
Obviously that would depend on school size and remember I included advanced access and monitoring systems.
“AND since no one on the right seem to want to raise taxes, what gets cut out of the school budget?”
It shouldn’t effect school budgets. This approach would be a lot less expensive than trying to enforce additional gun control legislation. Much of the legislation we have already on the books isn’t being enforced.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
NoCom
Have a safe and wonderful Christmas yourself. Things will be ok here since somebody forgot to hit the Mayan Reset Button yesterday.
As to armed personnel in the schools, Columbine High had Jefferson County Deputy Sheriff Neil Gardner on duty, on school grounds, and armed on April 20th. Deputy Gardner was in his 2nd year as a school resource officer and a 15 year veteran of the Sheriff’s Dept. Deputy Gardner was the first to respond to the shooting and the first officer to return fire that day as well. Now that officers undergo active shooter training, the outcome COULD be different, there is no definitive proof that an armed officer can stop or prevent a shooting in a school. If that school is a large high school, it’s possible to have an incident begin on one side of the school away from the officer.
Many school districts already have resource officers on campus, so I don’t know how much more effective it will be to increase the number of officers. There is a cost with doing such a thing, and in the current political environment, there is a sizeable segment of our population that is intent on avoiding any increases in taxes under most any circumstance.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Was Jay doing hallucinogens yesterday when he wrote his column?
That Rod Serling part was waaayyyyy out there — even for Jay.
Serling: Picture it. A Man. An every day man. A man not unlike you or me. A man caught in the throes of some strong sh##t. A man we’ll him Jay. Jay caught in the throes of some strong sh##t while waiting…………..In The Twilight Zone……
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Corbin wonders about what psychological effect securing their building would have on children, while ignoring what psychological effect violent media content has on children. This issue has only occurred within our current generation, firearms have been around since the founding of our country. The question being avoided is what changes in our modern society have caused these tragic acts of violence. Certainly it couldn’t be firearms in and of themselves. Could it be that the glorification of killing people with firearms is the root cause.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
“there is a sizeable segment of our population that is intent on avoiding any increases in taxes under most any circumstance”
I heard a report last night that to put 1 armed officer in everry school in the country would cost in the neighborhood of 6.5 billion dollars a year.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
HEADLINE (New York Times): “A political opposition that is still bitter about President Obama’s victory remains unwilling to compromise on social policy, economics or foreign affairs, severely constraining his power.”
Hummmm …………. “constraining his power” ……….. I really like the sound of that !!
“Constraining …………. his …………….. power” !
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
Road Scholar: Stevie Ray: Don’t you know that all spending bills are suppose to begin in the House?
There are a LOT of people on here who need to retake (or take) Civics 101.
And to top it off, the way they pretend to know what they’re talking about regarding the Constitution and the 2nd ammendment is laughable, to say the least.
They parrot things they hear on talk radio via LimpBalls, a high school DROPOUT, and Hannity; a man who can barely SPELL constitution let alone explain it.
It’s so sad how much our nation is warped by hate, distrust, and idiocy.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
“I heard a report last night that to put 1 armed officer in everry school in the country would cost in the neighborhood of 6.5 billion dollars a year.”
1) If it’s a teacher who volunteers to do so it would cost nothing.
2) Many of our inner-city schools already have them (and have for years).
marko
December 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
There is no good reason to arm the general public with weapons designed for the efficient killing of people. The fantasy role for these weapons seems to be the perceived need to overthrow a tyrannical evil government. Why is our government Tyrannical. Well it first of all it allows black people to use public rest rooms. It allows Muslims to build mosques, Damn it’s even allowing Gays to join the army, and hippie types to smoke pot. Tyranny I’m telling ya. It’s tyranny.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
6.5 billion dollars a year. That’s chump change in comparison to what gets spent by the federal, state and local governments. Spend 20 billion and put 3 in each school and we’d still be talking comparative chump change. I don’t think many Americans would disapprove of spending the dollars necessary to protect our children from becoming victims of mass murder.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
Here’s someone else parroting what they’ve heard, probably verbatim, from the talk radio show circuit:
Recon: This issue has only occurred within our current generation, firearms have been around since the founding of our country. The question being avoided is what changes in our modern society have caused these tragic acts of violence.
Actually Recon, you’re dead wrong about that — way back in 1933 THIS was said about guns, their violence, AND the need to address out country’s “white elephant”:
Regarding the Giuseppe Zangara Trial – Superior Court Judge Uly Thompson sentanced Zangara to death, but as part of his judicial opinion, stated that unless society found a way to regulate the ownership of handguns, more senseless death will occur.
kayaker 71
December 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Lets put this in proper prospective….
The Big Killers in the USA/yr
Tobacco related deaths 529K
Medical errors 118K
Alcohol 107K
MVA 34K
Poisoning 31K
drug abuse 25K
falls 24K
non firearm homicides 16K
fire arm homicides 11,493
Think that we should ban tobacco, doctors, booze, cars, drugs etc.? Doctors kill more people in the US every year by about 10 times, than firearms do. Hell, they kill more people in Chicago, Detroit, New York and DC in one year than most cities see in a couple of decades. Yet we get all upset when a bunch of white kids are victims. There are more black children killed every year in most black dominated cities than all of the white children in the rest of the country. No one seems to get that upset about that. Why not?
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
“If it’s a teacher who volunteers to do so it would cost nothing”
And if the “teacher” is patrolling the school, they aren’t teaching. So that’s one less teacher in the school. If the teacher is teaching, they aren’t patrolling…so there’s no protection until AFTER an event begins.
“Many of our inner-city schools already have them (and have for years).”
Ok, so make it 6 billion a year. We’ll take off half-a-billion for the existing officers.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
marko: Why is our government Tyrannical. Well it first of all it allows black people to use public rest rooms. It allows Muslims to build mosques, Damn it’s even allowing Gays to join the army, and hippie types to smoke pot. Tyranny I’m telling ya. It’s tyranny.
And the REALLY funny part about your observation Marko is that no private gun owner would have the necessary firepower to take down the government! They don’t sell tanks or bombs or even SCUD missles at gun shows……
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Think that we should ban tobacco, doctors, booze, cars, drugs etc.?
No.
Think The Stupids will continue to deflect with this dumbass non-argument until we’ve been distracted by some other event?
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
by the way, I am touched, really I am (not) by your occasional concern for colored people in Chicago.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
Brosephus – 8:46
Do you understand the difference between two armed police officers at a school door BEFORE shooters arrive and a single Deputy driving up AFTER the shooters are in the school?
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Debbie, can you provide detail as to the history of recorded mass murder incidents within our nations schools. The where and when along with the names of shooters recorded in these infamous acts?
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
the GOV – 8:55
Would you want the child to be scared or dead?
And, from time to time the officers would come into the classrooms and talk to the kids and explain why they’re there.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
Scout – 9:47
Who pays for these inner-city school guards?
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
I heard a report last night that to put 1 armed officer in everry school in the country would cost in the neighborhood of 6.5 billion dollars a year.
Bigger-issue time:
I can’t believe you people are giving Wayne LaPierre’s lunatic droolings from yesterday discussion time in here. F-ck that guy. His take on this, and the small (what is it, three, four million members?) group of dead-ender a-holes who support him, should be irrelevant.
He had a chance to sound sane and he’s failed.
kayaker 71
December 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
Stands, 9:56,
That’s good. No one else seems to give a damn.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:03 am
Recon: Debbie, can you provide detail as to the history of recorded mass murder incidents within our nations schools. The where and when along with the names of shooters recorded in these infamous acts?
Recon – I know I shouldn’t but, hey what the heck! Let me google that for you!
Duh!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
indigo:
We all do. Should they be removed ?
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
The gun lobby likes to tell its loyal customer base that simply by owning guns, they are ready to live Hollywood fantasies where their unerring aim and the angels at their back would mean the swift putdown of a criminal who shows up ready to kill people. The reality is that it leads to shootouts that may or may not lead to the bad guy getting killed before the good guy does. The NRA’s notion that the best way to end violence is to escalate it owes way more to Westerns than reality. Gunfire exchange can and often does eventually lead to an end of a shooter going on a rampage. But it would be better if there wasn’t anything for the shooter to rampage with in the first place.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
kayaker 71 :
THANK YOU ……… but you are arguing reason vs. emotion. I’m sure you know that.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
Debbie Do:
It’s always a matter of degree.
You either to “something” to help MINIMIZE the carnage or you do “nothing”.
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
Thanks Debbie
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
No one else seems to give a damn.
I do. You don’t either, unless some fat, rich sh-thead like Limbaugh tells you it’s ok.
indigo
December 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Scout – 10:04
No, they should not be removed. However, if we all pay for them, why aren’t they in ALL schools?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
stands: He had a chance to sound sane and he’s failed.
Sad, but true.
Brosephus™
December 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
Do you understand the difference between two armed police officers at a school door BEFORE shooters arrive and a single Deputy driving up AFTER the shooters are in the school?
Yes, I do. I also know that your scenario has a likelyhood of maybe 1 in 500 million chances of occuring. How many schools do you know of with only one entrance? What are the odds that, of the many openings that a school may have, both armed officers are going to be at the exact door that the shooter attempts to enter?
Read up on the Columbine incident as well as others. In most cases, the gun(s) doesn’t appear until the person is already inside the school. Even with your scenario, what good does the two officers at the door accomplish if the shooter is a student known by both officers as such and is carrying guns in their backpack? The shooter walks right between your two officers and enters the building fully armed and ready to carry out their attack.
I’m not saying that armed officers don’t or won’t work, but relying on that idea is like trying to bandage a femoral artery cut with a bandaid. It will take a comprehensive effort to reduce these incidents, but I seriously doubt there is anything we can do to stop them. We live in a society that was born and reared in violence, and violence is as American as apple pie.
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
You either to “something” to help MINIMIZE the carnage or you do “nothing”.
Then let’s start here:
Pastors Against Gun Violence
And let’s remember why:
Photos Of the Connecticut Victims
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Debbie, guess I wasn’t “dead wrong” huh?
Oscar
December 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
If the principal had time to lunge at the shooter, she had time to fire off a round with a shotgun.
I think her chances of sucess would have been much greater by firing a shotgun then by lunging unarmed.
DannyX
December 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?
How many armed guards does it take? 10, 20, 30, per school? One for each classroom?
DebbieDoRight - A Do Right Woman
December 22nd, 2012
10:26 am
Despite emotions, little happens legislatively after mass shootings:
The list is endless, but a good precursor of what was to become of America was the 1966 University Of Texas Bell Tower Shooting:
August 1, 1966 – Austin, Texas
Dead: 19, including the shooter
Wounded: at least 30
The University of Texas bell tower shooter, 25-year-old Charles Joseph Whitman, kills 16 people and wounds at least 30 from his perch above the university grounds. Whitman was heavily fortified with a variety of weapons when he started picking off his victims. He also shot and killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.
Legislative reaction: Rather than addressing gun violence, the discussions after the crime surrounded a brain tumor that Whitman was found to have.
The governor of Texas at the time, John Connally — who had been wounded during the Kennedy assassination in Dallas in 1963 — asked for legislation requiring someone to be committed for life if they were found insane in murder and in kidnapping cases, Time Magazine reported following the shooting.
Sen. Robert Kennedy, who was later assassinated in Los Angeles while campaigning for president, asked for the same legislation at the federal level.
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December 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Debbie Do:
As I said yesterday, if no new weapons were ever sold again in the U.S. starting tomorrow ……… we would still be faced with this kind of violence for 100 years (see Brosephus @ 10:17).
Therefore, to have” no means” to resist evil from the second a madman starts shooting in a school until the police arrive is in my opinion just putting your political hands over your eyes.
Do all you can BEFORE an incident but also be prepared to do all you can DURING an incident.
Soothsayer
December 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
This end of the world heaven sure seems a lot like the regular old world I was living in before. Not only that, but I slept through the whole world ending thing. Must’ve happened real quiet like, huh?
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December 22nd, 2012
10:30 am
Danny X:
“Why didn’t the armed guard at Columbine save all of those people?”
I don’t know the exact answer to that ……….. maybe it’s as simple as he went the other way?
In any case, to not have the means to do something is morally wrong.
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December 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Indigo:
“No, they should not be removed. However, if we all pay for them, why aren’t they in ALL schools?”
They are not in all schools for a variety of reasons including some people are just philosophically opposed to that.
There are entire school districts in Texas that have armed guards (including selected teachers) and there are other school district that would not think of having an armed guard in their schools including off-duty officers.
Joe the Prophet
December 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
Name an organization that depends of fear and terror to further their cause….
Al Queda, the Syrian government, Hamas, the NRA……
I would deem all of the above more sinister than the Muslim Brotherhood at this point……
marko
December 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
In chess , white wins 52% of the time. On the surface it may appear that God’s a racist, but the real reason for whites success rate lies in the fact that it’s allowed the first move. NRA fantasies always assume that a well armed do-gooder can react faster than a better armed evil doer can act. Lots of luck with that one.
In the old west, cattle towns found that drunken cowboys were generally good for the economy, but armed drunken cowboys posed an unacceptable risk to public safety. To deal with the problem, men like Wild Bill Hitchcock took their guns away while the enjoyed the local attractions. They could have them back when they got the hell outta Dodge. You could debate the second amendment with the man if you cared to, but be advised that Old Bill lacked both patience and a fundamental understanding of the finer points of Constitutional law.