House conservatives obsessed with playing Samson
Last night, rebellious Republican congressmen sent Plan B to outer space, banished their speaker to the corner and sent a message to the American people that yes, we really are this crazy.
In the end, voting for permanent tax cuts for 99.81 percent of Americans turned out to be unacceptable to those obsessed with maintaining 100 percent ideological purity. Downtrodden millionaires and billionaires must be protected, whatever the cost.
Afterward, Speaker John Boehner seemed to throw up his hands in frustration at his own caucus.
“The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass,” Boehner said in a prepared statement. “Now it is up to the president to work with Sen. Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff.”
Boehner made no public statement and took no questions.
On critical issues of taxation and spending, this represents an enormous loss of clout for Boehner. To get future fiscal-cliff legislation through the House, he will now have to rely upon votes from both Republicans and Democrats — and probably more Democrats than Republicans. That in turn will make Nancy Pelosi his de facto co-speaker, with the two leaders trying to cobble together enough moderate votes from their parties to do the nation’s business.
It will be interesting to see whether Boehner’s fellow Republicans tolerate him playing that role, tolerance not being one of their strong points. And after the fiscal cliff will come the looming need to raise the debt ceiling, a vote that now becomes fraught with even more danger for Republicans. There too, it’s now clear that Boehner will have to turn to Pelosi and her caucus for votes, increasing the odds of a dramatic cleavage within the House GOP.
It’s also important to note that conservative bravado notwithstanding, refusing to pass such legislation is not an option. It will pass because it must pass. The House may vote no once. It may vote no twice. But eventually, it will vote yes. It is only a question of how much damage the conservatives are willing to do to their party and their country as they play out their Samson Complex, intent on pulling the whole corrupt, Philistine temple down around their ears rather than compromise.
In that sense, the serenity prayer offered by Boehner in last night’s private GOP caucus was a rare touch of poetry from the saloon-keeper’s son:
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.”
As last night demonstrated, such wisdom is in pitifully short supply right now. Republicans find themselves divided and in retreat, pitted against a president whose approval/disapproval ratings now stand at 56/37. Perhaps more important, they are playing out their dysfunction in front of a citizenry already inclined to see the GOP as extremist and unwilling to bend for the good of the country.
Asked last night whether Boehner deserves blame for this failure, U.S. Rep. Steve LaTourette, Boehner’s fellow Ohioan, was blunt in rejecting the notion:
“It’s like saying the superintendent of an insane asylum should be discharged because he couldn’t control the crazy people. That’s nuts.”
Then again, isn’t it the job of the superintendent to control the crazy people?
LaTourette is an interesting figure. He was first elected to the House in 1994, part of the Gingrich wave that gave the GOP its first House majority in half a century. But the party’s hard move to the right has left him frustrated, and this year he declined to run for re-election. That has given him the freedom to utter hard, difficult truths.
“It weakens the entire Republican Party…,” he said after last night’s disaster. “It’s the continuing dumbing down of the Republican Party, and we are going to be seen more and more as a bunch of extremists that can’t even get a majority of our people to support our own policies that we’re putting forward. If you’re not a governing majority, you’re not going to be a majority very long.”
– Jay Bookman
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stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:10 am
I guess Jay’s next post will be the one after 9:09.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:11 am
Plan B to outer space
Jay, you are enjoying this way too much.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:12 am
The House may vote no once. It may vote no twice.
“come on baby don’t be cold as ice.”
King of Planet Kolob
December 21st, 2012
9:13 am
If he sent them a bill to cut taxes for the top 2% and raise it on the rest of us, they would pass it. But they don’t want to seen as the party of the rich.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:17 am
Stands: How long have you been waiting for Jay to get a post down at EXACTLY 9:09 lol?
gadem also known as Benghazi
December 21st, 2012
9:21 am
Come on Boehner….you can do it.
It is becoming painfully obvious that the House Republicans are psychopaths.
Steve
December 21st, 2012
9:21 am
Let’s just go off the fiscal cliff then vote in middle class tax cuts in January.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:22 am
“Last night, rebellious Republican congressmen sent Plan B to outer space, banished their speaker to the corner and sent a message to the American people that yes, we really are this crazy.”
which is exactly what earned the US it’s AA rating …
way to goooooooooooo GOP!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:22 am
btw Fred – got your email and responded …
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
9:22 am
The Grand Old Prostitutes have to serve those that pay, Jay.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
9:24 am
Who gives a damn about John Boehner’s “clout” as speaker?
What about the BIPARTISAN consensus in Washington that working Americans should help pay for the latest catastrophe of capitalism, as they watch Washington elites begin what will surely be the dismantling of the social gains of the 20th C progressive movements? What about that?
“That in turn will make Nancy Pelosi his de facto co-speaker, with the two leaders trying to cobble together enough moderate votes from their parties to do the nation’s business”
Yeah, and Pelosi has already signaled that the so-called “chained CPI” is no deal-breaker to her. Shows you how far “left” the supposedly “radical left” really is in Washington.
Peadawg
December 21st, 2012
9:24 am
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:17 am
LMAO!!
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:28 am
Apropos of nothing, this:
http://cheezburger.com/1354774784
fedup
December 21st, 2012
9:28 am
I like said before Boehner go with RINOs and call themselves Republicans. The rest of them can pick out a name. Any suggestions……
Don Abernethy
December 21st, 2012
9:29 am
House conservatives are obsessed with trying to save our country from the liberals who are destroying our country.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:29 am
The thing I don’t understand is the brain washed sheeple that will post here supporting the stupidity of the Republican Congressmen. They don’t make millions of dollars (despite their lying claims) so why are they cutting their own throats for those who are sucking America dry like the vile vampires they are?
The original plan Obama had would have increased MY taxes, but I was ready to make the sacrifice. And it’s MY money? Why do these blockheads fight so rabidly for other peoples money/ Money they will NEVER see? What is so wrong with the rich helping to foot the bills for the things that make them rich?
Just damn.
UinU: Got it. I’ll send more later, gotta go start peeling tomatoes for the sauce and some salsa, I have about 30 lbs to do by noon lol. Thanks
Peadawg
December 21st, 2012
9:29 am
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:28 am
And Pelosi looks like Skeletor, what’s your point?
http://cheezburger.com/2780061952
Reality Check
December 21st, 2012
9:30 am
And your president’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what???
Crickets…..
clem
December 21st, 2012
9:30 am
the mayans were off a little, it was the end for the republican party
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:32 am
Peadawg: That photo shop of Pelosi is scary. What’s scarier is that I think of her like that lol.
YouLibs
December 21st, 2012
9:33 am
fedup
I suggest you get a translator and try again.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:34 am
Yeah, and Pelosi has already signaled that the so-called “chained CPI” is no deal-breaker to her. Shows you how far “left” the supposedly “radical left” really is in Washington.
Couple of weeks back I asked the local conservatives to tell me just how Pelosi was “far left”. I just wanted one piece of legislation associated with her, since 2007, say, that fit that category.
and mostly what I got was “she’s kooky left because SHUT UP.”
Democrats are corporatist sk@nks for the most part, willing to deal away hard-fought social safety nets to keep the plutocracy happy. As you correctly point out, most actual citizens, who vote Dem AND Republican, disagree mightily with this.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:34 am
Peadawg — “And Pelosi looks like Skeletor, what’s your point?”
Asked and answered, to wit; “Apropos of nothing.”
Mike
December 21st, 2012
9:34 am
This is so dramatic….ooooh, I can hardly watch.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:35 am
Reality Check
December 21st, 2012
9:30 am
And your president’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what???
Crickets…..
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you don’t hear crickets, what you hear is the absence of sound because you have your head firmly inserted in your rear end. Only FOXBOTS and talk radio sheeple haven’t heard or read the Presidents plan.
Pop your head out of your rear end, turn of FNC and the Rush, and try reading. I’ll wait………
crickets………
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
9:35 am
2012…the end of the Twinkie and the end of the GOP…coincidence? You decide…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:36 am
D. Abernethy — “House conservatives are obsessed with trying to save our country from the liberals who are destroying our country.”
If the situation is as dire as you seem to think, then why haven’t Congressmen and Senators come to blows or gunplay? After all, if “the liberals” are “destroying our country,” then isn’t stronger action called for from the Republicans? Certainly stronger than speeches and cancelled floor votes?
Just askin.’
Mick
December 21st, 2012
9:37 am
GOP is incapable of governing, clean the house in 2014! As of right now and what to do? Who really knows???
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
9:39 am
“In the end, voting for permanent tax cuts for 99.81 percent of Americans turned out to be unacceptable to those obsessed with maintaining 100 percent ideological purity. Downtrodden millionaires and billionaires must be protected, whatever the cost.”
DOWNTRODDEN MILLIONAIRES & BILLIONAIRES?
Downtrodden = Oppressed or treated badly by people in power:
Cons, how you like yo boys in Washington now?
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
9:39 am
“And your president’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what???”
go back to Civics class and learn something. “And your CONGRESS’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what???”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:39 am
Fred … just posted the best fruitcake recipe … ever.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
9:39 am
It really confuses the progressive liberals communists when real people have absolute truths in their lives. The House republicans did exactly what their constituents wanted and not what the liberals wanted. It does hurt the liberals’ feelings but to a liberal compromise is to accept their deals. I THINK IT IS GREAT THE REPUBLICANS VOTED NO! Yes you can blame the republicans for going over the cliff but when times get hard that want hold water to the voter.
Darwin
December 21st, 2012
9:40 am
You want to know crazy? Let’s hear from the Georgia GOP house members!
Willydoit?
December 21st, 2012
9:40 am
Beep Beep!! or is it Meep Meep!!??
Donovan
December 21st, 2012
9:40 am
Millionaires have the right to say they should not be considered the cash cows that are expected to be slaughtered each time Democrats need money to bail out their problems. Your irresponsible spending put this country in peril and your refusal to make serious cuts to entitlements rule out the validity of compromise.
House conservatives have the right to stand by their principles and anything that goes against those principles are considered partisan and inflexible by the Democrat establishment. Your twisted and convoluted interpretation of compromise is sickening.
You all agreed to the ramifications if the “Super Committee” failed to reach an agreement. Now that you can’t reach a serious agreement with the House, it’s blame the Republicans. Instead of offering Nothing but “tax only the rich” and no cuts to entitlements, you all can suffer the consequences with the rich.
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December 21st, 2012
9:40 am
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Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:40 am
Don’t blame Grover on this one
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/274227-winners-and-losers-from-the-demise-of-plan-b-
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
9:41 am
One hundred million Sheldon Dollars are expected to buy a whole lot of Republican lovin’ or else he’ll take his money elsewhere.
rightwingextreme
December 21st, 2012
9:41 am
If dims thought increased taxes were so good for the economy they should have raised them in 2008/09 when they had 60 votes in the Senate and 260 in the House. Guess they didn’t want to risk the political hit they would have taken on this.
Cry me a river over the dims saying the “rich” don’t pay their fair share when the top 10% of earners in this country pay close to 50% of the taxes. We have 48% of this country who pay nothing in taxes to the federal government. That means 52% are paying the taxes.
If any of you think you aren’t paying enough in taxes here is a simple solution: Cut the government a check for whatever amount you think you should pay. If Obama would do that I’d have a little respect for him. Same for Soros, Buffett, Matt Damon, etc….fat chance that’ll ever happen.
clem
December 21st, 2012
9:41 am
wanna bet
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 21st, 2012
9:41 am
There are enough lame duck GOP House members that have nothing to lose and no need to be loyal to party dictatorship. Get a few of these to support the bill sitting in committee and the dam will break.
Was the world supposed to end at 1 minute past midnight? Or are we on high alert until 11:59pm tonight? Just in case the sun rises tomorrow, let be be the first to wish all a happy and joyful 14th bactun!
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
House Conservatives?
.
There’s only one left (Ron Paul)…..and he will soon be gone.
.
Bookman once again mislabels decent people/ideology with the sick and warped ideology of Republican/Democrat warfare/welfare violent Statism.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
“and probably more Democrats than Republicans”
highly unlikely
rightwingextreme
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:34 am
Yeah, and Pelosi has already signaled that the so-called “chained CPI” is no deal-breaker to her. Shows you how far “left” the supposedly “radical left” really is in Washington.
Couple of weeks back I asked the local conservatives to tell me just how Pelosi was “far left”. I just wanted one piece of legislation associated with her, since 2007, say, that fit that category.
and mostly what I got was “she’s kooky left because SHUT UP.”
OBAMACARE!
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
” Downtrodden millionaires and billionaires must be protected, whatever the cost.”
AIN’T THAT RICH.
Cons, you get what you VOTE for.
Paul
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
“To get future fiscal-cliff legislation through the House, he will now have to rely upon votes from both Republicans and Democrats — and probably more Democrats than Republicans. That in turn will make Nancy Pelosi his de facto co-speaker, with the two leaders trying to cobble together enough moderate votes from their parties to do the nation’s business.”
Not something to crow about or view disdainfully. This should have been done long ago and is definitely a step towards sanity.
““God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.””
That works only if people accept they have a problem. There are a sizable number of House Republicans who think they’re just fine and everyone else has a problem. (Applies to some on this blog, also).
“Asked last night whether Boehner deserves blame for this failure, U.S. Rep. Steve LaTourette, Boehner’s fellow Ohioan, was blunt in rejecting the notion:
“It’s like saying the superintendent of an insane asylum should be discharged because he couldn’t control the crazy people. That’s nuts.””
I think I like this LaTourette guy. Too bad he isn’t sticking around. I hope he goes out very, very loudly.
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
9:43 am
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich:
You just do not get it do you? You are a typical liberal and just do not get it.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:44 am
Donovan — “Millionaires have the right to say they should not be considered the cash cows that are expected to be slaughtered each time Democrats need money to bail out their problems.”
ST*U, Donny.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:44 am
“increasing the odds of a dramatic cleavage within the House GOP”
There’s cleavage in the house?? No wonder they’re all distracted and can’t get votes. Maybe they need to show some cleavage to the TP guys so they can “persuade” them.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
9:44 am
JHM, I understand your point but with nut cases, that kind of presentation can encourage them into violent acts of stupidity.
moonbat betty
December 21st, 2012
9:45 am
Jay is a modern day Delilah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylaJXH30WT8
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:45 am
“and mostly what I got was “she’s kooky left because SHUT UP.””
I’m surprised they didn’t add “and facelift”
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:45 am
“a rare touch of poetry from the saloon-keeper’s son:”
I like Boehner too.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
9:45 am
Grand Old Prostitutes.
Fantastic, TaxPayer!
Donovan, so how does millionaire boot polish taste?
Just curious what you find so appetizing about it…
Mick
December 21st, 2012
9:45 am
donovan
Please, find you inner hippie, friend! I reject the word entitlements when it comes to social security and medicare, why? Probably because I have been paying into those programs getting close to fifty years now. How is that an entitlement and why does that have to be cut but increased taxes on the millionaires and billionaires preserved at all costs? It is complete nonsense, suk it up and give the president his due – he won…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:46 am
R. W. Extreme — “If dims thought increased taxes were so good for the economy they should have raised them in 2008/09 when they had 60 votes in the Senate”
FAIL
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
9:46 am
So you taxes are going up because Obama kept moving the goal posts by not cutting spending. Liberals we do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. What spending problem you say? It is all that free stuff and the democratic plantation that costs so much.
redneckbluedog
December 21st, 2012
9:46 am
So I guess the inbreds want to work a couple more years to they can replace the money they lost in their 401k’s……..that is, if they don’t get laid off……..
Never saw the like of stupidity in my life….!!!!!!
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
Why do you continue to focus your full attention on the lunatic Republican party, Jay, when the deeper problem is clearly the fact that there is no broad political opposition to this lunacy capable of keeping it from infecting the entire political system by dominating the framing of the political narrative on the fundamental economic and fiscal matters?
You’re like MSNBC. We’re supposed to gawk at the loons on the right wing and comfort ourselves with the knowledge that we’re nothing like those loons.
But the deeper crisis in this country is that there is not a single political party or organized movement strong enough and with enough fight to even try to resist the continuing carving up of the nation for sell-off to the 1%.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
KUTGF — “JHM, I understand your point but with nut cases, that kind of presentation can encourage them into violent acts of stupidity.”
Respectfully, I don’t think there’s a man-jack among them, either in Washington or posting on the board, that has the stones for it.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
I have my puts.
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
“Not something to crow about or view disdainfully. This should have been done long ago and is definitely a step towards sanity.”
Sadly, true compromise these days is something that has to be cobbled together piecemeal. Ironically, that would have been called “bi-partisan” in a time long ago and a land far, far away…
GT
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
Wonder how this plays with Bob Woodward’s not so kind explanation of Obama’s deal making abilities. Boehner can’t even deal with his own people, how is the president supposed to deal with him. The real cavity is the state of Georgia which has not got the intelligence to support this kind of negative effect they are having on our country.
Newt introduced this insanity everybody loved it on their side, the government shut down people didn’t get paycheck. What they do is search the whole country for the craziest people, eventually comes to Georgia the ultimate insult, like Taliban looking for suicide bombers, and then they hatch a plot to totally jam up the federal government. Then these congressmen go back to their hole in the wall hang outs with no political fallout, like R.E. Lee returning to Virginia, from blowing up the whole government and its people. This is something the south has been trying to do for 200 years who knew it would be so easy.
bookman parrot
December 21st, 2012
9:47 am
Dear Santa,
Please send some folks (both Dems and Repubs) to D.C. that actually give a damn about the whole country and not just their personal agendas and their voting blocks agendas and perpetual jobs in gov’t.
redneckbluedog
December 21st, 2012
9:48 am
williebkind
December 21st, 2012
9:46 am
So you taxes are going up because Obama kept moving the goal posts by not cutting spending. Liberals we do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. What spending problem you say? It is all that free stuff and the democratic plantation that costs so much.
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No…we have an inbred, retard problem in the U.S. House of Representatives……WORST CONGRESS EVER….in 2013…they will get their hind ends handed to them by the Kenyan, Muslim, worst President ever, total failure……in 2014…..THEY WILL BE A PERMANENT MINORITY…!!!!!!
Recon 0311 2533
December 21st, 2012
9:49 am
Now we have two parties incapable of governing. While I agree that Obama’s call to raise taxes on the wealthy accomplishes nothing substantive other than punishing successful people for their success, every House Republican should have supported “Plan B”. Now in all probability we’ll go over the so called financial cliff and in all probability it will be temporary. The American people don’t deserve this immature drama played by both parties.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:50 am
Kyle needs to buck up and pen a column on this fine mess
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:50 am
“We’re supposed to gawk at the loons on the right wing and comfort ourselves with the knowledge that we’re nothing like those loons.”
Yeah, that’s pretty much what we’re doing right now. And there’s plenty of them to gawk at, that’s for sure!!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 21st, 2012
9:51 am
Cons are lost sheep in the wilderness.
GT
December 21st, 2012
9:51 am
bookman parrot how do you but the Democrats in your pray. I get so sick of your side blowing up the world and then praying someone straigtens both sides up. This is your mess Shorty, you made it and you can clean it up.
Willydoit?
December 21st, 2012
9:51 am
What’s the big deal about everybody’s taxes going up? Pony up Americans, its time to pay our fair share…from the top to the bottom.
Remember…”Ask not what your country can do for you….”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:51 am
“each time Democrats need money to bail out their problems”
looks like someone slept through 2000-2008.
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
9:52 am
@Thomas Heyward Jr
December 21st, 2012
9:42 am
House Conservatives?
.
There’s only one left (Ron Paul)…..and he will soon be gone.
.
Bookman once again mislabels decent people/ideology with the sick and warped ideology of Republican/Democrat warfare/welfare violent Statism.
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DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got THROWN UNDER THE BUS.
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got STABBED IN THE BACK.
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got BAMBOOZLED.
“If you ain’t RICH….BLAME YOURSELF.” Herman Cain
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:52 am
“Now we have two parties incapable of governing”
Courtesy of crazy American voting patterns
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:54 am
“looks like someone slept through 2000-2008″
Ya think?? They couldn’t even remember his name to invite him to the party convention. I just wonder if Texas will include him in their revisionist history books.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 21st, 2012
9:54 am
Well, when I first saw that the Boner’s Plan B had failed I said “Good! A man his age shouldn’t be running around getting women in the Family Way!” And then I figured out what Plan B was and I knew we were up S___ Creek without a paddle.
So I reckon we’re all headed over the cliff. I can’t hardly think of the poor billionaire that opens his dividend check next month and sees the guvmint has withheld about 20% of it. You can bet the poor guy won’t be creating no more jobs. Or maybe Warren Buffett sees he’s paying the same tax rate as his secretary and then jumps out of one of his skyscrapers.
Anyhow, at least maybe we’ll have a real Friday Night Music tonight—if some other nut don’t decide to try out his new assault rifle on a mall full of shoppers or a room full of school children. There’s always a bright side of things.
Have a good Friday everybody.
Gale
December 21st, 2012
9:55 am
Well, I figure the Mayan calendar used the solstice for the marker. The solstice is at 11:12 UTC today ( Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). Are the Mayan ruins in PST? UTC-8 hours is PST. So, yes, I think we are in the clear for the world ending today.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:55 am
“other than punishing successful people for their success”
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I stopped reading …
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
9:55 am
willie, no worries! When your family jumps over the cliff, you can feed them Billionaire Bootpolish.
It comes in three tasty flavors – Trump’s Rump, Trickledown Tang and Drown ‘em in a Bathtub Berry…
Jm
December 21st, 2012
9:56 am
Hi ho hi ho, it’s over the cliff we go
I’ve got my puts
Cause they’re a little nuts
It’s Christmas time
I won’t lose a dime
So I can sleep
And not lose a peep
Hi ho, hi ho hi ho
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
9:56 am
the deeper problem is clearly the fact that there is no broad political opposition to this lunacy capable of keeping it from infecting the entire political system by dominating the framing of the political narrative on the fundamental economic and fiscal matters?
I fear I must agree, and be a buzzkill.
A responsible liberal-leaning party would have demolished the notion of there being a “debt crisis” that needs to be addressed NOW-NOW-NOW. Such a party would have said “for spending cuts you get what’s in the PPACA and some Defense pork, and you don’t get any more because you lost.” Elizabeth Warren would get to add, “and because f### you.”
But we don’t have that party. We have more civilized corporate sk@nks, who can’t even manage to get their supposedly liberal media to refer to the tax increases they claim to want as being on “the income ABOVE 250K” rather than, almost always, “people making more than 250K.” They can’t even frame this sh-t right.
Jesus wept.
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:57 am
“I get so sick of your side blowing up the world and then praying someone straigtens both sides up”
Yeah, those two non-budget funded wars and the unbridled Wall St. fiasco that led to the worst recession since the 1930’s was NOTHING, right?? That was just a minor blip compared to this.
ATL Born and Raised
December 21st, 2012
9:57 am
“And your president’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what??? ”
Do you have a different president?
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
9:57 am
In specific terms, Jay, it is now apparent that Wall Street will eventually get its hands on Social Security to gut and to carve up for sell-off to its buddies. It will be a great bonanza for Wall St. and its cronies, but a terrible day for the majority of the elderly who depend on it for >50% of their income and as a way to avoid poverty.
And what is the thing that makes it now virtually a fait accompli? It’s the fact that a Democratic president is ready to sign off on the preliminary steps to dismantling it, that’s what.
So where are all the good liberal newspaper columnists as this is being prepared? Too busy rubbernecking at the looney right as it succumbs to its own delusions.
Dawg Man
December 21st, 2012
9:57 am
Thanks Jay for your comical liberal column. I have to say this is one of the funniest you have put out in a while.
ATL Born and Raised
December 21st, 2012
9:58 am
“We have 48% of this country who pay nothing in taxes to the federal government.”
Will this lie ever die?
Stephenson Billings
December 21st, 2012
9:58 am
Wouldn’t have mattered anyways due to those obstructionists over in the Senate:
Harry Reid: ‘We Are Not Going to Do Anything’
“Senate majority leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, made his “fiscal cliff” position clear in a press conference today. “We are not going to do anything,” said Reid.
Reid added, “We are not taking up anything they are working on over there.” ”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/harry-reid-we-are-not-going-do-anything_690795.html
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:59 am
” I just wonder if Texas will include him in their revisionist history books.”
you mean the ones they use in Texas?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html?_r=0
jconservative
December 21st, 2012
9:59 am
“In the end, voting for permanent tax cuts for 99.81 percent of Americans turned out to be unacceptable to those obsessed with maintaining 100 percent ideological purity.”
Well, I am glad they are sticking to their principles. Now on January 1, 2013 100% of all taxpayers will get a major tax increase. I am sure all their constituents are sending them notes of appreciation this morning.
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
10:00 am
“Now we have two parties incapable of governing”
The extreme Republicans and the moderate Republicans.
BuckeyeInGa
December 21st, 2012
10:00 am
Boehner is going to speak in a couple of moments..this will be “interesting”
Mr_B
December 21st, 2012
10:00 am
“You just do not get it do you? You are a typical liberal and just do not get it.”
I don’t suppose that it ever occurred to you that there is nothing “there” to “get.”
“
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
10:00 am
@williebkind
December 21st, 2012
9:46 am
So you taxes are going up because Obama kept moving the goal posts by not cutting spending. Liberals we do not have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. What spending problem you say? It is all that free stuff and the democratic plantation that costs so much.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cons LOVE THE RICH. Ain’t that RICH.
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got THROWN UNDER THE BUS because you are POOR.
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got STABBED IN THE BACK because you are not RICH.
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got BAMBOOZLED by your WON CONS.
“If you ain’t RICH….BLAME YOURSELF.” Herman Cain
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:00 am
“Will this lie ever die?”
as long as there is a FOX news … no.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:01 am
Obama’s hard stance against republicans has definitely been a factor in going over the cliff
Bad governance and bad statesmanship
Michael
December 21st, 2012
10:01 am
And the Pubs wonder why they lost the election. They qill likely put Palin up in 2016 and that will be sweet!
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
10:01 am
Reality Check: “And your president’s plan to rein in our current unsustainable level of spending is what??? ”
What is YOUR plan to rein in the unsustainable spending on foreign wars and an increasingly bloated police state?
Huh?
(Think I can hear crickets already…. )
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
10:02 am
Correction:
DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got BAMBOOZLED by your OWN CONS.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:02 am
Recon — “punishing successful people for their success”
When President Clinton got him a younger, hotter blonde in the Oval Office, were you in favor of punishing him for his success?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
10:02 am
Will this lie ever die?
If 99% of this country had no jobs and there were not a single job available, if they had no money, no assets, no homes, no food…. the whine would still be 99% of this country pays no taxes.
GT
December 21st, 2012
10:02 am
America is paying attention for once to this crazy element which fights like gorillas in the night. The right wing congressman have pledged their loyalty to an individual not even a member of their district over the voters in their districts. Same with the gun lobby, you send them up there to vote for the highest bidder to their personal pocketbooks. You know it now and the weight of this is on the shoulders of the America that has pulled away from sanity and favor lobbyist over voters.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:03 am
“Obama’s hard stance against republicans has definitely been a factor in going over the cliff”
bollocks
bollocks
bollocks
bollocks
from the day he won the election, he has reached out to the GOP – THEY are the ones who couldn’t even be bothered to come to the phone.
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
10:03 am
CONS look out for that BUS.
BuckeyeInGa
December 21st, 2012
10:05 am
Obama’s hard stance against republicans has definitely been a factor in going over the cliff
In the president’s previous term he tried to meet people half way, and people still wanted to play hard ball. Well now his stance has harden. can’t blame him.
RF
December 21st, 2012
10:05 am
“stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.”
UsinUK: I remember that battle royale. Problem is, current events aren’t exactly playing out in their favor. Whatever will they do? I guess they could take over the media and internet…and then we’d be just like those supposedly hated tyrants they’re always wanting to start a war against…
Skip
December 21st, 2012
10:06 am
How important can any of this be when Boehner sends his people on an extended vacation?
mm
December 21st, 2012
10:06 am
Plan BS failed. What a surprise.
DebbieDoRight -
December 21st, 2012
10:06 am
Enter your comments here
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
10:08 am
Seems like only yesterday that Mr. Speaker accused Mr. President of being unable to deliver his party’s votes…
Cons Throwing Poor Cons Under The Bus for the Downtrodden Rich
December 21st, 2012
10:08 am
@Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:02 am
Recon — “punishing successful people for their success”
When President Clinton got him a younger, hotter blonde in the Oval Office, were you in favor of punishing him for his success?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This AIN’T about President Clinton.
This is ABOUT:
Cons LOVE THE RICH. Ain’t that RICH.
So DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got THROWN UNDER THE BUS because you are POOR.
So DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got STABBED IN THE BACK because you are not RICH.
So DON’T blame the Democrats BECAUSE you just
got BAMBOOZLED by your OWN CONS.
“If you ain’t RICH….BLAME YOURSELF.” Herman Cain
Gee
December 21st, 2012
10:09 am
The Mayan civilization ended circa 1300. Obviously, they were forcasting the end of the Republican party. RIP- Repubs!
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 21st, 2012
10:09 am
Does Newt U offer a GOP history class on how things worked out for him when he was speaker in the 90’s? Boehner must have stayed out late the night before playing beer pong and missed it.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
10:09 am
Talk about a bus? The Republican Conservatives never saw the bus…they just saw a big gray dog…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:09 am
RF – 10:05 – meh – when do they care about current events? they seriously don’t care what the rest of the world thinks – in fact, if the rest of the world is against them, they wear it as a badge of honor that they MUST be doing something right!
Buzzy
December 21st, 2012
10:09 am
The Republican Congressman got it right: his Party is crazy; and the good news is that the American people are beginning to notice.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:10 am
Cons Gibberish — “This AIN’T about President Clinton.”
And I didn’t say that it was. I simply asked a question. Have you got the stones to answer it substantively? I doubt it.
“This is ABOUT:”
Snipped and ignored.
DebbieDoRight - Destructive Politics Is The New Black..
December 21st, 2012
10:10 am
It is becoming painfully obvious that the House Republicans are psychopaths.
Tantrum throwing, a-social, attention seeking, self delusional psychopaths!
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Morning Usink!!! I am going to try out one of your recipes for the holidays (please pray for my family)! My mom is here and she’ll be here until my sister delivers; so I decided to dazzle her with my new cooking skills.
PS: Please pray for my family!
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:12 am
Plan B was to raise taxes mostly on the poor and lower income earners…….
RF
December 21st, 2012
10:12 am
“CONS look out for that BUS”
Actually it’s a luxury rv something like that their uber-rich masters drive:
http://usarvcamping.com/huge-luxury-rv-bus/
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
10:13 am
‘PS: Please pray for my family!’
Too funny, my wife is cooking for the whole family this weekend. We have alerted the local firestations…
breckenridge
December 21st, 2012
10:13 am
House republicans are probably waiting for a bill that will have large spending cuts, small tax increases and further restrictions on women’s choice.
But they would do well to remember that God hates dirty filthy disgusting perverted social conservatives.
N-GA (economic base jumper)
December 21st, 2012
10:13 am
The new conservatives are anarchists!
BuckeyeInGa
December 21st, 2012
10:14 am
A great question posed by a commentator. How can Boehner negotiate with the President if he can’t even negotiate with his own House?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:14 am
DDR – whatcha makin???
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
10:17 am
“A great question posed by a commentator. How can Boehner negotiate with the President if he can’t even negotiate with his own House?”
You can’t lead if no one will follow
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
10:17 am
Just as long as we have someone to blame it’s all good
Steve
December 21st, 2012
10:18 am
Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It’s Barack Obama?
(conservative heads explode)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
barking frog
December 21st, 2012
10:18 am
Jm 9:41
I have my puts.
……………
guess that makes you a putsy.
Lynnie Gal
December 21st, 2012
10:18 am
Peadawg & Friends–Your photoshopped pic of Pelosi is misogynistic and demonstrates your disrespect for women by mocking their appearance. Knock it off. It’s the reason your party lost the last election. Women don’t like you.
As far as what the Republican party is doing to our economy by refusing to be legislators and instead, acting like vandals, the Business community who support Republicans overwhelmingly need to get on their phones and tell these fools they’d better come up with something to keep us from going over the cliff, pronto. The stock market is plummeting and our economy is on a fast track to crash and then it won’t matter if billionaires and millionaires pay a measly 4% more in taxes. They’re gonna lose a lot more money than that if Republicans continue to act like economic terrorists.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:18 am
Boehner is AFRAID to put the Obama plan before the House…….. It just may pass and he and the rest of the Ultra Right-wing for the RICH Only Republican’s will come more UN-glued.
rightwingextreme
December 21st, 2012
10:19 am
ATL Born and Raised
December 21st, 2012
9:58 am
“We have 48% of this country who pay nothing in taxes to the federal government.”
Will this lie ever die?
My error: The bottom 50% pay 2.25% of all income taxes. the complete breakdown is below. data is for the 2009 tax year. source: http://ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
Top 1% 36.73
Top 5% 58.66
Top 10% 70.47
Top 25% 87.30
Top 50% 97.75
Bottom 50% 2.25
Steve
December 21st, 2012
10:20 am
What absolutely FLOORS me is that the Bush tax cuts were an EXPERIMENT. Remember??????Think, people. Think back. And the economy went to a near depression after major military spending, deregulation of the mortgage/bank industries. Three trillion dollar failed wars.
So we PUT THE TAXES BACK to where they were, and every Confederate Con wails about the hardships on the wealthy.
We are so screwed up as a country. It really makes you want to move to one of the thriving, happy, prosperous Scandinavian socialist nations that actually live in the 21st century.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:20 am
“How can Boehner negotiate with the President if he can’t even negotiate with his own House?”
you just know that Obama is saying “dude … welcome to my world”
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
10:21 am
Obama: “I’ll give you tax hikes on those making over 1 million.”
Cons: “No.”
Obama: “I’ll give you tax hikes on those making over 400 thousand.”
Cons: “No.”
Obama: “I’ll give you tax hikes on those making over 250 thousand.”
Cons: “Yes.”
Cons. Ya gotta love ‘em.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:21 am
B. Frog — “guess that makes you a putsy.”
Beer Hall Putsch?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:22 am
“We have 48% of this country who pay nothing in taxes to the federal government.”
Yes all the McDonald’s workers in America, the Burger King Workers of America, and the likes should bail out the George Bush mess……. They should pay for the two Wars, and the Republican hole because Deficits didn’t matter !
Yes …………. they should pay 50% percent of their minimum wage so the Super Rich can continue to pay 14%.
Ben The Independent
December 21st, 2012
10:22 am
Mr O has previously said the fiscal cliff would not occur. Well; the “my way or the highway” proposed by Mr O is going to result in the highway. The cliff seems the only way to end his ever increases in spending.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:23 am
Two Points:
1) ” ………intent on pulling the whole corrupt, Philistine temple down around their ears rather than compromise.”
If you are talking about Congress and our government in general that is an excellent analogy !
2) “It’s the continuing dumbing down of the Republican Party ………… ”
No ……….. it’s the “dumbing down” of the American electorate that has gotten us into this mess.
Moochers vs. Producers !
indigo
December 21st, 2012
10:24 am
It would be more accurate to refer to these Republicans as maintaining a 100% loyalty to their Big Business sponsors. This is easy for them since these sponsors have given orders that under NO circumstances are tax breaks for the rich to be allowed to expire.
That going over the cliff will punish the vast majority of Americans clearly means nothing either to the rich or most Republicans.
In the end, MONEY is the one and only thing of true value to them.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:24 am
“Well; the “my way or the highway” proposed by Mr O is going to result in the highway”
please. do share a quote where he said “my way or the highway” …
with link.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:26 am
frog 10:18
sure, if that’s your word for smart
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
10:26 am
What absolutely FLOORS me is that the Bush tax cuts were an EXPERIMENT. Remember??????Think, people. Think back.
Income tax itself was supposed to be temporary in the first place…think back
Personal Income Tax Introduced in U.S. (1913): At first, income taxes were considered a temporary tax to help raise money for war.
wiki
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
10:26 am
‘Moochers vs. Producers !’
And which are you?
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
10:27 am
Steve: “What absolutely FLOORS me is that the Bush tax cuts were an EXPERIMENT. Remember??????Think, people”
But those who instituted said “experiment” knew that getting them rolled back would be well nigh impossible.
It was a perfect policy speedball. An exploding bullet. A dirty bomb.
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
10:27 am
Two Points:
1) Sheldon and Co. say to the GOP, “If you want my 100 million, you’ll do as I say.”
2) The GOP replies to Sheldon and Co., “I love your trickle down. It’s the bestest warm yellow rain evah.”
teacher
December 21st, 2012
10:28 am
Jm,
I was long banks and cashed before years end. which companies are you short?
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
10:29 am
At first, income taxes were considered a temporary tax to help raise money for war.
What a novel idea. Too bad you didn’t sell that idea to G.W. when he was in office.
weetamoe
December 21st, 2012
10:31 am
Poor Boehner. Tolerant democrats have ridiculed him for his skin color, for his (real) tears and for not being able to control those darn common sense, don’t spend more than you can afford, clean up after your peaceful demonstrations conservatives. Boehner’s only problem is that he is willing to take one more chance that the agitator-in-chief will be honest for a change. Even if only a relatively powerless minority in congress continue to distrust the assurances of the shifty, divisive guy in the White House at least by their resistance they validate Lincoln’s observation that you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:31 am
teacher 10:28
none – I very rarely short (I use puts strategically, not with the intent to short)
I’m fully invested but hedged with puts through March
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
10:31 am
Too bad you didn’t sell that idea to G.W. when he was in office.
he never returned my call
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
10:33 am
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801: “Moochers vs. Producers !”
What about the Wall Street financiers who will carve up the giant turkey of Social Security that they expended no sweat of their own in producing just to line their pockets, and those of their cronies? Are they moochers?
If not, please do explain.
Can’t wait to hear. Please, have at it.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
December 21st, 2012
10:33 am
How ironic the GOP destroyed from within by the Tea party . Merry Christmas CONs.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:34 am
when the house begins behaving like the senate, we have a problem.
clem
December 21st, 2012
10:36 am
st ronnie and w accelerated debt issue but conservs never attacked successfully those gambits, but cry bloody murder now despite the ever widening economic disparity in this country. maybe folks on low end would pay more taxes if they got a little better shake on the economic pie. dick armey is getting 8 million parachute thanks to rubes on the right.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:36 am
“And which are you?”
I’m an “earner” !!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:37 am
Jm:
“when the house begins behaving like the senate, we have a problem.”
And with the President behaving like a dictator we have an even BIGGER problem.
weetamoe
December 21st, 2012
10:38 am
Bush never said *my way or the highway,* but his opponents interpreted his behavior as the unspoken assertion. Same as Obama’s behavior gives rise to the same interpretation. And I should think that Jay’s astute and intelligent readers of all things newsy would understand that and not demand some citation in some footnote or other.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:38 am
E. Cat — “Income tax itself was supposed to be temporary in the first place…think back”
While I am not opposed to considering other bases for our revenue system, I freely admit to being antipathetic towards consumption-based taxation.
That said, do you have some thoughts regarding what might replace the income tax, or were you perhaps just posting a little Strange But True nugget for our edification?
clem
December 21st, 2012
10:38 am
you must have short memory, what did dictator bush do? go recon that
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:39 am
weetamoe — “Bush never said *my way or the highway,*
I’m the Decider.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
10:39 am
“How ironic the GOP destroyed from within by the Tea party .”
How ironic, also, that moderate republicans get threatened with being “primaried”. The starategy seems to be, “we would rather lose this seat to the democrats than elect a moderate republican.
Conervatives, I think this strategy is going to be a real winner for y’all, and I plead with you, “Please, please don’t throw me in the briar patch!”
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
10:40 am
‘I’m an “earner” !!’
Oh, from your ‘moodchers vs. producers’ statement, it appeared you put everyone in one or the other category.
Two questions:
1. What tangible things do you produce?
2. Do you receive any money from the gov’t?
Thanks in advance…
yuzeyurbrane
December 21st, 2012
10:40 am
They will end up voting for a bill that is even less generous than one the President of the United States has offered. But we will have TARP redux first.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:40 am
Great news ! Looks like Mexico didn’t want to risk a U.S. tourist slowdown !
“UPDATE: Former Marine To Be Released From Mexican Prison… “
clem
December 21st, 2012
10:41 am
w ” i have political capital and i plan to spend it” after narrowly beating kerry (though ohio likely stolen by rove machine)
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:42 am
isn’t the Republican way to cut taxes, invade another country, and let the grand kids pay for it all ?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
10:42 am
Just to throw out there…
http://www.upworthy.com/in-case-you-missed-it-a-very-curious-google-search-pattern-happened-this-year?c=upw1
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
10:43 am
Erwin’s cat, Taxpayer:
You can sometimes learn something from Beltway centrist types, despite their errors:
Tax hikes for the rich? Blame George W. Bush
The reason we’ve got a fiscal cliff is that back in the early aughts, when people like Alan Greenspan were worried that federal budget surpluses would become excessive (you can snicker now), President George W. Bush came up with a seemingly brilliant strategy to force through enormous tax cuts. Rather than compromise with Senate Democrats to get substantial permanent cuts, the Bushies used a legislative process called “reconciliation” to push through mega-cuts with the narrow Senate majority they held, avoiding the need for 60 votes to overturn a filibuster (had the forces of fiscal sanity decided to mount one).
Because of the way reconciliation works, the 2001 Bush cuts had to expire in 10 years (eight years for the huge 2003 cut in rates on investment income). But hey. At some point, the zealots figured, they’d get the votes to make the cuts permanent. And even if they didn’t, by the end of 2010 no one would dare let the cuts lapse. We would be in an economic boom, thanks to lower taxes. Life would be grand, especially for the mega-upper-classes, with no estate tax and the lowest taxes in the modern era on investment income.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/12/21/bush-tax-cuts-obama/
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:43 am
” ……………… Boehner said in a statement that Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) needed to come up with a solution — not exactly the message that the White House was hoping to hear.
Now, negotiations move onto unusual turf.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/obamas-dilemma-85392.html#ixzz2FhYxUBbT
barking frog
December 21st, 2012
10:45 am
House conservatives obsessed with playing Samson.
……………………………………………………
and now we know why Mitt was invited to the White House,
haircut lesson…
Just Saying..
December 21st, 2012
10:45 am
“The thing I don’t understand is the brain washed sheeple that will post here supporting the stupidity of the Republican Congressmen. They don’t make millions of dollars (despite their lying claims) so why are they cutting their own throats for those who are sucking America dry like the vile vampires they are?
The original plan Obama had would have increased MY taxes, but I was ready to make the sacrifice. And it’s MY money? Why do these blockheads fight so rabidly for other peoples money/ Money they will NEVER see? What is so wrong with the rich helping to foot the bills for the things that make them rich? Just damn.”
Fred: Right there with you.
DebbieDoRight - Destructive Politics Is The New Black..
December 21st, 2012
10:45 am
LHU: Too funny, my wife is cooking for the whole family this weekend. We have alerted the local firestations…
Hey! A little support from our dearly departed spouses would be nice……
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:46 am
What happened to ” Family Values “……. isn’t teaching your child to pay for things and NOT Steal, a family value ?
How did Republican’s pay for the two WARS they started ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
10:47 am
Lord Help Us:
I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years.
I know in your heart you are thankful that I (and many others) were willling to do that …………… so:
I THANK “YOU” IN ADVANCE !
Got to go do some Christmas shopping to help out those “producers” so everyone be nice.
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:48 am
Jay. What US government policy did this?
“US traffic deaths climb 7.1% in first 9 months of 2012″
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
10:48 am
D. DoRight — “Hey! A little support from our dearly departed spouses would be nice…… ”
How are you coming with red beans and rice, ma’am? If you’re going to be lounging around the house over the holiday weekend, a big pot of beans would have plenty of time to cook slowly and come to the proper texture. And if you have a rice cooker, guests can just scoop up some rice n’ beans whenever they take a fancy to!
larry
December 21st, 2012
10:50 am
I’m puzzled, Why do Republicans keep defending people who dont want to be defended?
I look for Boehner to lose his speakership after the first of the year.
Then we will be disfunctional, at least until we vote the rest of the TP out in 2014.
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
10:50 am
‘I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years.’
You didn’t answer my questions…
By your own definition, since you do not produce anything AND you receive money from the gov’t…YOU ARE A MOOCHER.
Own it…moocher,,,
Jm
December 21st, 2012
10:50 am
Maybe the Mayans were just talking about the fiscal cliff. Not the end of the world. Which appears to be an abeyance for the moment.
Steve
December 21st, 2012
10:52 am
It kills me how wrong Republicans are on nearly every issue. They are wrong in that the 2nd Amendment DOES HAVE LIMITATIONS, and it was written to address local militias, not individuals. But they twisted that to hell 30 years ago. Now we are fighting about legalizing assault weapons. Insanity.
Then we have the taxing issue. We all know we need to cut spending but heaven forbid the very wealthy should pay a little more in taxes too. Complete, utter insanity, and this is going to be the demise of the conservative movement in this country.
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
10:54 am
‘Got to go do some Christmas shopping to help out those “producers” so everyone be nice’
You gonna use your EBT card or do you get your gov’t handout by some other means?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
10:54 am
‘I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years.’
Just like a Congressman or Senator…….. Got him a free ride !
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
10:56 am
Scout fools himself by thinking that Obama and the Democrats are in need of anything from Boehner and the Republicans. Obama is not returning Boehner’s calls. Next year, after the Republican tax hikes have been implemented and defense cuts are in place, Boehner will be much more receptive to the most generous offer by Obama to cut taxes for all those making less than 250k.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
10:57 am
“I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years. ”
as do teachers, cops, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and thousands others … everyday, ya frickin whiner.
appleseed
December 21st, 2012
10:59 am
We’ll being an organizer among all his other talents, might as well add BARBER to the titles.Obama reigns.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
11:00 am
Hmmm, Senior Digits sure do want some thank yous. Funny, that they really are not “thank yous” if you have to whine and demand them.
blahblahblah
December 21st, 2012
11:02 am
Republicans have consistently overplayed their hand since the 2010 elections. Now it’s coming home to roost.
For a guy who supposedly have “the experience to be President”, President Obama sure has done an amazing job of handing Boehner his a$$.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:02 am
” Funny, that they really are not “thank yous” if you have to whine and demand them.”
well, it ENDS in “… you”, anyway …
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:02 am
nra not taking questions today….what cowards
appleseed
December 21st, 2012
11:03 am
well
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:04 am
“nra not taking questions today….what cowards”
gah.
a-holes, more like.
larry
December 21st, 2012
11:05 am
“I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years.
And i say thank you for your service
But , keep in mind, your pension and other benefits has been called welfare by the party you so strongly defend.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:06 am
Mr. Digits, an acknowledged member of the despised 47%, receiver of the humiliating “free stuff”, cannot bring himself to accept a tax increase on the rich. Since his self-interest is to keep taking free stuff, I wonder why that is? Because, as all conservatives know, once a moocher, always a moocher.
larry
December 21st, 2012
11:06 am
nra not taking questions today….what cowards
Not suprised
DownInAlbany
December 21st, 2012
11:07 am
We all know we need to cut spending but heaven forbid the very wealthy should pay a little more in taxes too.
But, all we are hearing about is the revenue side of the equation. Whatever become of Simpson-
Bowles? Oh yeah, Obama chose to ignore his own commission! But, yeah, we are where we are today because of the Republicans?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
11:07 am
“I “earned” my pension by serving YOU and my country at the risk of my life for 36 years.
Well here is a 47% guy……….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:07 am
EXCELLENT!!! someone finally yelled back at Wayne LaPierre
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/12/21/live-blog-nra-press-conference/
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:08 am
CAN’T STAND Wayne LaPierre … he is SUCH an odious man.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:09 am
Mr. Speaker tried, failed, threw up his hands in defeat, and gave up. What a quitter. Who could respect him now?
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:10 am
is lapierre a dip or what
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:10 am
“Who could respect him now?”
what mean you “now”???
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:13 am
clem – he’s awful … horrible … seriously, just a horrible human being.
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
11:13 am
JHM @10:38 – I’m okay with the current tax structure, I just don’t want to pay any more than I have too.
I don’t mind paying for some entitlements, infrastructure or for defense, but certainly there is a lot of pork, fat, and fraud that can be eliminated. Raising taxes in the current environment is like raising the allowance of a financially irresponsible teenager and somehow expecting them to start saving the extra amount
Owl
December 21st, 2012
11:13 am
Since January 3, 2007, Harry Reid has been running this show. Please give this guy some credit. If it weren’t for Harry, can you imagine the places we could have ______________________?
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
11:14 am
When will the dems vote on their plan?
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
11:14 am
U know. The one that cuts nothing and funds gubmint for 8 days… And who’s crazy????
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:15 am
“but certainly there is a lot of pork, fat, and fraud that can be eliminated. ”
the majority of it in the DoD
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:16 am
can we raise taxes to pay for all the armed support that lapierre is suggesting? or do we need to cut a few more teachers out
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:17 am
” If it weren’t for Harry, can you imagine the places we could have ______________________?”
are we playing Match Game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRs7F2bJgo
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 21st, 2012
11:17 am
liberals are so IGNORANT that even MSNBC and CNN have to try to educate them about how bad the federal governments finances are…………. train in vain
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/20/left-cant-stick-heads-in-the-sand-on-entitlement-reform/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997468/ns/politics/t/if-its-solvent-until-why-pick-social-security/
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
11:17 am
Erwin’s cat:
The gubmint is about as efficient as toy bought from Dollar General. Obama and the dems don’t want to cut anything. Plain and simple. They must continue to fund pet projects like Solydra and the like because those dollars will come back in the form of campaign contributions….
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
11:18 am
larry – But , keep in mind, your pension and other benefits has been called welfare by the party you so strongly defend.
cite?
AmericaShrugged
December 21st, 2012
11:18 am
Over the cliff. It’s what we need and what we deserve for continuing to elect some of the most irresponsible politicians in the history of the republic.
keith
December 21st, 2012
11:20 am
same old same old. Democrats/liberals good. Conservatives/Repulicans bad. Another day in the partisan whiney life of jay bookman.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
11:20 am
E. Cat — “I don’t mind paying for some entitlements, infrastructure or for defense, but certainly there is a lot of pork, fat, and fraud that can be eliminated. Raising taxes in the current environment is like raising the allowance of a financially irresponsible teenager and somehow expecting them to start saving the extra amount”
Perhaps it’s time for me to toss out my tax/revenue proposal again. This gets a fair amount of agreement from conservatives, so I hope you’ll give it a think.
Let’s say that we set a specific previous year’s budget as the CEILING for Federal spending. That year can be 1998, 2004, 2006 or whatever we can get both sides to agree to. That *locks in* spending at that level, thereby preventing Democrats from increasing entitlements or whatever you feel less money could be spent on.
On the flip side, no more tax cuts and all revenue increases go toward retiring national debt. Obviously, we would have to have a cash-flow positive budget (take in more than we spend) before we could start actually *reducing* the outstanding debt, but by preventing further tax cuts, we *maintain* the amount of revenue coming in and ideally, we become able to aim some of it at debt reduction fairly quickly.
Obviously, this doesn’t answer the question of national emergency, such as a war or major national disaster, but we’re smart enough to handle those as they come up.
So what do you say? We set a ceiling on spending, so it can’t increase. We set a floor on taxation, so we don’t lose revenue. And we set about trying to *continue* decreasing spending and increasing revenue so we can retire debt ahead of time. Thoughts?
keith
December 21st, 2012
11:21 am
Does this jay clown ever write something worthwhile or is it always this same crap day after day?
Wait a minute
December 21st, 2012
11:21 am
I believe Speaker Boehner, short of a rally, is probably toast after the first of the year come election time. And the chance of getting anything done with Nancy Pelosi are nil, as she’ll never be able to get enough Democrats (heck, any) to accept the budget cuts this country needs to right the ship.
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:21 am
lapierre for nutbar of the year!
Mr Right
December 21st, 2012
11:23 am
somehow when I see a pic of Pelosi I think of of 101 Dalmatians!
Mr Right
December 21st, 2012
11:25 am
keith
December 21st, 2012
11:21 am
It’s his agenda!
Woodstock Mike
December 21st, 2012
11:25 am
The NRA is exaclty right, schools need armed security. Banning guns won’t help anything when there are 300 million guns in the country. Anyone who thinks banning guns solves the problem is just plain wrong. It would be nice if it were that simple. After VA Tech the NRA lobbied for armed security in all schools, I wonder if Newtown, CT would have been different if there was armed security? Most likely the shooter would have never gone there…
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:25 am
no no you are thinking of mary matlin
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:26 am
Did recess just let out over at Kyle’s?
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
11:27 am
‘ I wonder if Newtown, CT would have been different if there was armed security? ‘
How about churches? We need armed security there too?
alittlecommonsense
December 21st, 2012
11:27 am
I think the Republicans who wouldn’t go for this bill were certainly making a poor decision. But maybe we should also ask ourselves why no Democrats would go for it.
Apparently the entire Democrat caucus is willing to let the country go over the fiscal cliff instead of accepting this compromise. Not the President. Not Harry Reid. Not one single Democrat representative was willing to jump onboard this plan.
So maybe instead of talking about the twenty some Republicans that obstructed, we should be talking about the entire Democrat party obstructing.
clem
December 21st, 2012
11:28 am
change your moniker
Joseph
December 21st, 2012
11:28 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170969/Wealthy-socialite-Denise-Rich-renounces-U-S-citizenship–saving-tens-millions-dollars-taxes.html
Big liberal donor- spouse previously pardoned by that neocon Clinton- renounces US citizenship- oh the outrage
Wait a minute
December 21st, 2012
11:29 am
Joe Hussein,
We need 218 of you in the House and 51 of you in the Senate. Way to logical (balanced budget) for those people in Washington (and frankly our imbecilic public) to understand (want a balanced budget but don’t want any programs cut and think taxes are high enough as they are, etc.)
Jhunt163
December 21st, 2012
11:29 am
Face it, the house is responsible for funding our government and are elected by the people in their districts.We just had an election and it voted for a Republican house. It may have voted for a Democratic President, but he is not tasked with funding.
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
11:30 am
And the chance of getting anything done with Nancy Pelosi are nil, as she’ll never be able to get enough Democrats (heck, any) to accept the budget cuts this country needs to right the ship”
Sure she can. All they have to do is sit tight and do nothing…and those cuts will kick in automatically. Easy.
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
11:31 am
The gubmint is about as efficient as toy bought from Dollar General.
Air Iran is ready when you are.
And you’ll be a LOT happier there, christian fraud. Just think of how many OTHER America haters you could pal around with…
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
11:31 am
“But maybe we should also ask ourselves why no Democrats would go for it. ”
How do you know they wouldn’t? There was no vote on it.
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
11:31 am
JHM – I’m on board with that…I may even claim it as my idea >^..^<
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 21st, 2012
11:33 am
lapierre is proposing people like Zimmerman to be patroling the schools
Geesh what an ass
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
11:33 am
on my news.google.com, I see among the top stories:
President Obama posts video response to gun control advocates, telling them …
Ok, how would YOU finish the headline?
DownInAlbany
December 21st, 2012
11:33 am
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
11:20 am
Good plan! Only problem is: it makes too much sense! It’ll never fly in DC (neither side of the aisle!)
Mick
December 21st, 2012
11:34 am
0311
Well, I’m with you on the marine being held in a mexican jail finally being released after 4 months, that was a shameful abuse of power on their part, totally not necessary…
Skip
December 21st, 2012
11:34 am
And yet we can afford how much foreign aid?
appleseed
December 21st, 2012
11:37 am
Obamas clip joint,open 24/7.You cons.don’t forget to tip.
td
December 21st, 2012
11:37 am
“O’bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like “fast and furious” and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama’s fools and Stalin’s fools share the same drink of illusion.”
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/
Even the freaking Russian’s know who Obama really is.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
11:38 am
For soon to be former speaker Boehner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzD7XQ_0pjc
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:38 am
“How about churches? We need armed security there too?”
and malls
and movie theaters
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:38 am
If the republicans can’t even muster support for their OWN plans, they’re never gonna be able to deliver votes for a grand bargain. It appears the only hope is for a democratic plan that strips off enough republicans who are patriotic enough not to send their country down the toilet.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:38 am
“He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so.”
yay!!! taking socialist and doubling down …
do, praytell, enlighten us with his communist policies.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
11:39 am
And yet we can afford how much foreign aid?
wiki is your friend.
The 2010 United States federal budget spent $52.7 billion out of $3.55 trillion (1.5%) on foreign aid. $15.0 billion was military; $37.7 billion was economic aid (of which USAID received $14.1 billion).[1]
Figure the 15 billion is direct stimulus money to our defense industry–it’s mostly used to buy scary looking planes and such.
So the 37 billion is what is left. And if you want Egypt and Israel to keep from attacking each other, you probably have to leave a few billion alone.
Not much to work with really.
Owl
December 21st, 2012
11:40 am
A double big thank you to the former girl scout. Better than reading here which one of any of these “parties” is going to get credit for taking more of my $.
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
11:42 am
‘and malls
and movie theaters’
My FREAKIN’ BANK doesn’t even have armed security!
What about grocery stores?
Mick
December 21st, 2012
11:42 am
td
Paranoia much? You’re exposed, lightweight thinking wrapped in absurdity is no way to go through life!!!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 21st, 2012
11:43 am
LHU
Think of it as the NRA’s stimulus plan
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:43 am
“What about grocery stores?”
especially when the Twinkie supply dwindles …
Jack ®
December 21st, 2012
11:44 am
Those of you who wanted Obama and his kind of governance, you got it. Those of you who hate those more successful than yourself, you have a president that’s your champion. And those of you who want to pay for others’ lack of ambition and planning, go for it. I’ll sit back and enjoy the Hollywood mentality and watch the mail for my check.
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
11:45 am
‘Think of it as the NRA’s stimulus plan’
They have lost their flippin’ minds…
Christian Conservative
December 21st, 2012
11:45 am
JamVet:
I think you would fit in there more than I. I value this country and what it stands for. You and and your ilk want fundamental change that will weaken us for the next generation… If you honestly want someone to leave look in the mirror….
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:45 am
“Those of you who wanted Obama and his kind of governance, you got it.”
thanks god.
beats the hell out of Boehner’s.
alittlecommonsense
December 21st, 2012
11:45 am
“How do you know they wouldn’t? There was no vote on it.”
There was no vote because Boehner knew it wouldn’t pass. He knew exactly how many votes he had. If he had probably three or four Democrats sign on, he could have passed it. So yes, I suppose it is possible that there was a Democrat somewhere that would have voted yes, but there certainly weren’t any news reports of one that was willing to cross party lines and compromise.
JohnnyReb
December 21st, 2012
11:45 am
Jay, his followers here, and the rest of the Leftie world need to wake up and stop the false rhetoric.
The truth is, you have elected a president that is not trusted. He is arrogant and either does not have the ability or will not negotiate.
I applaud the representatives that are sticking to their guns and will not vote for tax increases until Obama guarantees meaningful expense cuts and gets serious about the deficit.
You can continue to believe the media’s warped vilification of the representatives or you can realize they were elected to stop the spending. That is what they are trying to do.
If we go off the so-called cliff, it will be Obama’s fault regardless of how the media in his pocket paint it.
And, before there are numerous posts of having won the election, etc, etc. You did not win enough of the election to control the money. That still resides with the House of Representatives and we have control of that house.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:46 am
JamVet – “You and and your ilk”
you have an ilk???
I’ve always wanted an ilk!! where did you get it???
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
11:46 am
Actually, some days near the end of the month, there’s some uniformed dude with a gun standing outside my bank branch. Always perfectly polite but I gotta say, his being there, it doesn’t exactly make me feel warm and fuzzy.
I don’t figure he’s there to protect me. He’s there to protect the assets. If he has to go through me to take out the bad guy, that’s why Blackwater (or whatever the Christian Identity outfit’s calling itself today) carries insurance.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:48 am
“What about grocery stores?”
Little League games, bowling alleys, pulic swimming pools, parks, street fairs – why, we’d only have to raise the buget a couple triilion, I bet. Makes more since than even considering any form of gun control, though, right?
barking frog
December 21st, 2012
11:48 am
USinUK
beats the hell out of Boehner’s.
………………………
oh my…..
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:48 am
“And, before there are numerous posts of having won the election, etc, etc. You did not win enough of the election to control the money. That still resides with the House of Representatives and we have control of that house.”
yeah. and doing a JAM-UP job of it, Boehner is. hell, he can’t even wrangle his own party to a vote.
Lord Help Us
December 21st, 2012
11:48 am
‘“What about grocery stores?”’
What about public parks?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:48 am
barking –
totally unintentional!
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:49 am
“Those of you who hate those more successful than yourself,”
What a silly person you are. Try reality, it can be refreshing!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:49 am
“What about public parks?”
and stadiums!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
11:50 am
That still resides with the House of Representatives and we have control of that house.
Majority?
Yes, Republicans have a majority there.
Control?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No, not so much.
JohnnyReb
December 21st, 2012
11:50 am
USinUK – they won’t support B not because of the tax increase, but because there are not enough guaranteed spending cuts.
Heck, your champion wants more stimulus money.
Don’t be an uniformed blind follower, please. There are enough of them to go around.
newkid
December 21st, 2012
11:51 am
Sorry for the off-topic post, but just heard a portion of NRA press conference. Call being made for armed security at schools, and the like, to protect citizens against ‘bad guys with guns’. No problem there. But, as expected, rather than calling for the funds that will finance these armed guards to come out of mandatory liability insurance that would be paid by gun purchasers and owners, NRA is recommending that we ’socialize’ these costs by having the ‘government’ pay for this protection. I say again, require liability insurance before the ‘drive off the lot’ with a weapon, require bi-annual renewal of this insurance, and s set the insurance rates high enough to FULLY reflect the full cost to society of having 300+ million guns in circulation in the nation. Use a significant percentage of the proceeds from this liability insurance to protect innocent citizengs; don’t 100% socialize the costs.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
11:51 am
Not often I get to say that, but God Bless Code Pink.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16068647-defiant-nra-leader-rejects-gun-controls-asks-to-put-police-in-schools?lite
God bless you every one.
Mick
December 21st, 2012
11:51 am
reb
Get serious, obama wins the election yet it is HE who should capitulate for the sake of the 2%? That’s insane and until repubs learn how give the president and his majority their due, repubs will be seen as disreputable losers. There are alwys more battles to fight but on this one, the people say get the hell out of the way!!!
Adam
December 21st, 2012
11:52 am
That entire NRA news conference was horsesh*t.
/drive-by
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 21st, 2012
11:52 am
LHU
Lapierre is a nutcase. His answer for guns at schools, MORE GUNS
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:53 am
“they won’t support B not because of the tax increase”
bollocks.
“I don’t want taxes to go up; Republicans don’t want taxes to go up,” Boehner said
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/boehner-pins-responsibility-for-avoiding-fiscal-cliff-on-obama-democrats/2012/12/21/5aa6bbb0-4b77-11e2-b709-667035ff9029_story.html
“A Republican senior aide explained, “We have some members that would rather let all tax rates go up ‘without their fingerprints’ than save some taxpayers from a tax hike and letting just the top rate go up. That is what it amounts to.””
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/20/boehner-plan-b-house-republicans-humiliate-their-leader/
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:53 am
“NRA is recommending that we ’socialize’ these costs by having the ‘government’ pay for this protection”
NRA is SOSHULIZT!!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:54 am
I never use the C-word.
but, if I did, I’d use it on Wayne LaPierre.
Michael
December 21st, 2012
11:54 am
The schools need more armed guards and fewer teachers. That’s the ticket.
Frankly, I blame the Mayans. Paul Broun was on CSPAN this morning explaining the house republicans, and now Wayne LaPierre is explaining how to solve our problem with mass shootings. The world may not end, but I’m feeling a little indigestion. Those souls cooking today should remember that Montezuma had other ways of getting revenge.
Great negotiating strategy if you don’t want taxes to go up. The temporary tax cuts automatically expire New Year’s eve. After that see how much of your wish list can get a majority vote and the signature of the president.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
11:55 am
The truth is, you have elected a president that is not trusted. He is arrogant and either does not have the ability or will not negotiate.
No that is not true .. But hey you live and probably got that Georgia education.
The wealthiest and the most educated parts of the US voted for Obama.
the cat
December 21st, 2012
11:56 am
why did la puke need so much security at this press conference? Wasn’t he carrying?
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:57 am
“The wealthiest and the most educated parts of the US voted for Obama.”
True. The 47% “moochers and takers” voted for Romney.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 21st, 2012
11:58 am
USinUK
Wayne LaPierre
I never use the C-word
——————————————–
I can think of many words that start with ‘C’
But yeah if it’s the one I’m thinking also, it is appropriate.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
11:58 am
Boehner’s Plan C involves building a large wooden badger…
Heh, heh, heh.
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:58 am
“why did la puke need so much security at this press conference?”
And why does he want the government to pay for it? What a moocher!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
11:58 am
Okay, team … I’m outta here for the duration …
I wish everyone a wonderful solstice, happy yule, merry christmas, and festive festivus (and its corresponding airing of grievances).
Stay safe and I’ll see you in the new year!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:00 pm
Happy Christmas to you n’ yers, UnU.
clem
December 21st, 2012
12:01 pm
yea, time to go feeling good that the far right will soon be irrelvant.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
12:01 pm
J. Reb — “Jay, his followers here, and the rest of the Leftie world need to wake up and stop the false rhetoric.”
Said the master of the art.
Look, we get it. You’re upset. Well, too bad. You lost.
Now if you don’t have something SUBSTANTIAL and TOPICAL to offer, why don’t you just slink off somewhere else?
td
December 21st, 2012
12:01 pm
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
11:57 am
“The wealthiest and the most educated parts of the US voted for Obama.”
True. The 47% “moochers and takers” voted for Romney.
Not meant to be a factual statement.
Look at the exit poll results: The top 1% and the bottom 50% takers put Obama back in office. All the real working people voted for Romney.
Skip
December 21st, 2012
12:03 pm
57 billion would put a lot of armed guards in fast food places.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:04 pm
All the real working people voted for Romney.
I find it hard to believe even *you* believe something as transparently dishonest as that.
Maybe Santa will give you a wee dollop of integrity.
Real Scootter
December 21st, 2012
12:07 pm
Dang, the hate is thick here today.I have figured out that many of you hate Repubs and the NRA.Are there any other groups of US citizens You would care to hate on? Whew!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:08 pm
57 billion would put a lot of armed guards in fast food places.
You don’t have 57 billion to work with. You don’t even have 52 billion.
Did you read what I posted, skip? you think those DoD contractors would roll over and allow you to take away 15 billion in a steady revenue stream?
Oh, and good luck dodging whatever Mossad moonlighter would be hired to take you out by AIPAC. And those are just the low-hanging fruit I’m picking here.
getalife
December 21st, 2012
12:11 pm
The gop attacked your 401k’s today.
A lump of coal from the gop to the American people.
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
12:11 pm
Give the NRA eunuchs their police in schools and we’ll tax their cowardly buttocks to pay for it.
indigo
December 21st, 2012
12:11 pm
USinUK
What is the general British reaction to the school shootings here?
RF
December 21st, 2012
12:15 pm
My favorite statement in LaPierre’s diatribe today:
“”The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”
Nice to see the NRA clones are still on message…
indigo
December 21st, 2012
12:17 pm
td – “all the real working people voted for Romney”
I”m guessing the youth Minister at your fundamentalist church told you to post that here.
Ignorance
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:18 pm
All the real working people voted for Romney. HA HA HA HA. sure all the folks who lost their job to Bane as he outsourced the American jobs !
All the real working people voted for Romney. Not meant to be a factual statement.
RF
December 21st, 2012
12:18 pm
getalife @12:11- here’s the response the Republicans ask from us for the beneficence they so graciously bestow upon us:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ”
the cat
December 21st, 2012
12:18 pm
My son’s high school is enormous, the graduating class has thousands. I don’t care if you had an armed Rambo at every door, if someone wanted to enter the multiple buildings and start shooting, it would take Rambo several dead students to get to the scene.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:19 pm
Looks like the NRA wants us to raise taxes to pay for their plan… go Republican’s…. can you say talk with forked tongue ?
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:20 pm
My favorite statement in LaPierre’s diatribe today:
“”The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”
As UnU would say, if she’d allow herself to: What a f–kin’ c–t.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
12:20 pm
So apparently there was no response from 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 on why Wall St financiers laying into the Social Security trust fund — you know they’re literally dripping slobber at the thought of it — is an example of MOOCHERS at work.
To me, it’s the pinnacle of moocherdom. But given the crickets from the likes of 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801, I’m guessing he thinks no so much.
Interesting thinking there, 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 .
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm
“all the real working people voted for Romney”….. you mean the angry white minority ?
RF
December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm
“All the real working people voted for Romney. Not meant to be a factual statement.”
But don’t you know if they’re actually “working”, they’re making at least a million a year…or drawing that from their dividends or daddy’s trust fund. Everyone else is just a “taker” in this economy. You only count if your net worth is in the seven figure range at a minimum.
Sad that they don’t know that a large portion of their own voting bloc is part of the infamous 47%, and even sadder that those folks keep voting for them.
cajdawg
December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm
F…..g Math:
Over the next ten years the CBO projects we will sport approximately $10 trillion in additional deficits. Obama’s tax increases bring in $600 billion to $1 trillion over ten years. The tax increases solve 10% of problem and that assumes the tax increases down have a drag affect on GDP.
In the past couple of years the Republican House has passed actual budgets, with real and specific numbers on paper, that gradually bring down deficits. Yes it cuts spending and painfully, it has to happen to make the math work.
The Senate has not passed a budget in years. The Presidents last budget was voted down 97-0 in the Senate. It is the last specific “plan” put forth by Democrats that had actual numbers on paper. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO A SPECIFIC PLAN, WITH NUMBERS ON PAPER, PUT FORWARD BY THE PRESIDENT OR HARRY REID THAT ADDRESSES THE REMAINING 90% OF THE 10 YEAR BUDGET SHORTFALL.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:22 pm
Please, NRA, haul this sh-tbag out in front of the cameras more often. Let America get to know the kindly face of our idiotic gun policy all these years.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:23 pm
The Presidents last budget was voted down 97-0 in the Senate
no it wasn’t. It was some used toilet paper with the words “Preznit Budjut” on it.
Please stop lying.
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
What is the general British reaction to the school shootings here?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-america-gun-laws-failed-again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20755007
shocker?
Wonder what it is in Switzerland?
http://investingforone.com/2012/12/19/swiss-reaction-to-newtown-tragedy/
Regnad Kcin
December 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
“The top 1% and the bottom 50% takers put Obama back in office. All the real working people voted for Romney.”
Totally, massively incorrect, and you cannot cite a source supporting that position.
RF
December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm
“Yes it cuts spending and painfully, it has to happen to make the math work”
All the while maintaining an ever growing defense budget and continued tax cuts for those already paying a lower percentage than most of their employees. The problem with their “budget” is that it follows the Ryan budget plan, which was clearly voted down by the American people as well as most of his buddies in Congress. I bet you couldn’t get the Republicans to agree on where to have lunch right now, let alone propose an actual budget that makes sense.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm
cajdawg .. You mean like the Republican plan where deficits don’t matter ?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm
…we will sport approximately $10 trillion in additional deficits…
Did someone say, “deficits”?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Bucky Grimes
December 21st, 2012
12:26 pm
Thes librals are destroing our Country.
First they tok our jobs, now they wont to tax everone to death and make it soshalist country.
Well Ive had enuogh.
Don’t tred on me!!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
12:27 pm
Murderous America Hating C–t SHEETZ
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
12:28 pm
indigo – What is the general British reaction to the school shootings here?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-america-gun-laws-failed-again
How about Switzerland
http://investingforone.com/2012/12/19/swiss-reaction-to-newtown-tragedy/
now why would I mention Switzerland?
josef
December 21st, 2012
12:28 pm
“No that is not true .. But hey you live and probably got that Georgia education.”
Whee-doggies! Here comes Peter with his daily quasi-literate swipe at Georgia and education.
Are he and GT the same person?
Both are dumb as dirt, anyway!
I just love it when somebody comes in swiping Georgia and then show just how bloody ignorant they are themselves in few, uh, “well-chosen: words. Makes a Georgia teacher proud to know they ain’t our’n!
Erwin's cat
December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm
oops
delayed post…my bad
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm
Bucky Grimes . You mean that Liberal George Bush ?
getalife
December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm
The cons still have not got over the fact that our President crushed them twice .
Now, they have to get over their failed party is leaderless, powerless and flopping like a fish out of water.
It is too much for the cons to handle.
They can’t take it so they lash out like two year old children.
Pity them.
RF
December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm
the cat: think about Va. Tech- they have an entire police force and couldn’t stop that tragedy. More guns in more hands means more potential accidents and more potential shooters to have to secure in a building in the wake of such a disaster. All we’d need in most high schools is a force of adults running around with guns while the police try to secure the scene. The original shooter is dead by the time the first responders get in the building. Then you have a group of scared teachers you have to get to secure their firearms before you can even think about bringing medical personnel in the building. Sheesh, what a nutty idea!
JamVet
December 21st, 2012
12:30 pm
Ex-pat, my elk ain’t going nowhere!
cc, the christian fraud, like many new age Republicans, absolutely loathes Uncle Sam. The kid has an outright dripping hatred for our “gubmint”. Ask him, he’s not shy about it! As well as most of the people in this country who are not up to his Christian standards.
And this Reaganesque disease has gotten so bad that these dunces actually think that blatant anti-patriotism is both “conservative” and the key to winning elections.
(So shhhhhhh! Don’t let the fools in on the fact that the joke is on them.)
And ultimately, to guys like cc, there ain’t that much difference between his version of Christianity and Islam. (One gets more virgins when they croak, I think.) And since they can’t replace our democracy with a theocracy, it would seems that he would be much happier where they have one…
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:30 pm
josef ……. WOW how is Georgia ranking in education these days…. when they are not cheating on the test scores ?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:33 pm
Thes librals are destroing our Country.
First they tok our jobs, now they wont to tax everone to death and make it soshalist country.
Well Ive had enuogh.
Don’t tred on me!!
Georgia education here josef ?
cajdawg
December 21st, 2012
12:38 pm
Peter said: “cajdawg .. You mean like the Republican plan where deficits don’t matter ?”
Deficits do matter to Republicans, Ryan’s plan reduces the deficit as a % of GDP. Go to page 3:
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-ryan_letter.pdf
Please show me a plan from Democrats, a specific plan with actual numbers, that reduces deficits.
Thank you.
jezel
December 21st, 2012
12:39 pm
Wonder what it will take for the GOP to get the message. They are out numbered…they do not have the consensus of the American people…their ideas are “tired”…they continue to make themselves look foolish…..An excellent example of being in a state of denial.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:40 pm
Deficits do matter to Republicans….. Ok maybe…… Only after their policy’s bankrupted America ?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:41 pm
josef . were you changing grades to prove you could teach ?
josef
December 21st, 2012
12:43 pm
PETER
“can you say talk with forked tongue ?”
Yeah, Can you? Put that superior non Georgia education to work…
.
Ga-wo-ni-s-gi ga-nu-ga tsu-lo-tso-tsi
oh, yeah, and while you’re at it, try to get the difference between the English plural and the singular possessive worked out…seriously, Mec, your make that one repeatedly enough that just plain old typo may not be the reason…
josef
December 21st, 2012
12:46 pm
PETER
Oh, I don’t give Georgia the highest marks in education. We’ve got problems galore and then some for extra measure. But at least we KNOW it…it’s folks that don’t know just how ignorant, badly educated and lacking in basic skills they are putting it down that I find abrasive. You’re part of the problem we’re trying to fix.
cajdawg
December 21st, 2012
12:46 pm
Hypothetically, if I grant you that the current trajectory of deficits is the Republicans fault. The president and Senate are currently in charge of 2/3 needed for bill passage, so the American people in their great wisdom expect the Democratic president and Senate to develop specific, mathematically feasible solutions to the problems the Republicans have created. The country is waiting.
josef
December 21st, 2012
12:48 pm
PETER
You’d flunk out of one of my classes within two weeks. For your info, our school came through the investigation with flying colors and test scores the envy of plenty of schools in plenty of districts,
josef
December 21st, 2012
12:53 pm
I was at the doctor’s office when the NRA guy was on (FOX,
) and it was interesting watching the others in the waiting room fixated on what he was (not) saying…talk about bizarre…
Peter
December 21st, 2012
12:57 pm
You’d flunk out of one of my classes within two weeks.
My dad was a teacher, and he was able to connect with his kids…..apparently you are not able too if you would suggest that I would flunk out.
Angry is real…….
Oh, I don’t give Georgia the highest marks in education….. you mean the bottom 15 % of all school systems in the country ?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
12:57 pm
USinUK:
“as do teachers, cops, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and thousands others … everyday, ya frickin whiner.”
Exactly ! And just because they get a “pension” does not make them moochers. They EARNED it.
The problem is you libs. cannot tell the difference between a moocher and someone who earns what they get.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 21st, 2012
12:59 pm
Moochers are people who want something for nothing.
Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive. It was part of the contract they agreed to when they went to work ………… deferred salary if you wish …………
)
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:02 pm
PETER
My Dad was a businessman…that doesn’t mean I know the first thing about business. I don’t. As for my connection with my students, well, I let them be the judge there. All I can say is, there are plenty who make a point of keeping me up with what they’re doing in life, and it warms the c*ckles of my cold heart. It also puts silly twits like you into perspective…
Seriously Folk
December 21st, 2012
1:07 pm
@cajdawg. Okay, I guess since you asked…and I have posted this before, but by all means, go to http://www.whitehouse.gov and check on the “budget” Although that level of interaction may be a bit too much, I have taken the liberty of posting the “cuts, consolidations and savings” part….its 213 pages. So guess you will find a way to say, “but that isnt REAL cuts..only Repubs offered REAL cuts”… http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:09 pm
My Dad was a businessman…that doesn’t mean I know the first thing about business.
Ok…….. I will agree with your point.
I was a student, and now I am a business man……. Self employed since 1985.
If you would assume I would flunk your course, it must be the way you would teach it……. I never flunked a class in my life.
By the way what is the current ranking of the Georgia education system, compared to the rest of the nation ?
That was what got you all riled up in the first place wasn’t it ?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive.
WOW a Republican backing a UNION….. is this a breath of fresh air ?
Steve
December 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
Anyone with half a brain and half of an education knows that:
1: Gun control means we regulate guns like we regulate driving a car. Your guns do not go away.
2. Fixing the deficit problem without tanking the economy means a gradual increase in taxes AND gradual cutting of spending. When the economy is better, we can adjust more.
Stop the nonsense, the politics, the posturing, the racism, the ignorance, and grow the #$#$ up.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:12 pm
Hypothetically, if I grant you that the current trajectory of deficits is the Republicans fault.
What part is hypothetical ?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:13 pm
2. Fixing the deficit problem without tanking the economy means a gradual increase in taxes AND gradual cutting of spending. When the economy is better, we can adjust more.
Thank you Steve !
Steve
December 21st, 2012
1:15 pm
You’re welcome, Peter. Common sense seems to elude many in this Confederate/ultra right wing forum of insanity.
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
PETER
“I never flunked a class in my life.”
Probably because you never had a me for a teacher. I’m what’s known as an a33 buster. I expect my students to achieve, not to the “expectations,” but beyond that. I get plenty who come in thinking because they’ve never flunked a class, they can sail right along.
Me? Oh, I DID flunk some…just about every math course I ever took!
“That was what got you all riled up in the first place wasn’t it ?”
Not in the least. What got me riled up was your supercilious quasi-literate assumed superiority. As I said, and I repeat, Georgia has way more than its share of problems in the matters of education, schooling, and learning. And people like you are one of them.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
0311 — “Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive. It was part of the contract they agreed to when they went to work”
Explain that to your buddies, then.
We’ve been hearing nothing but squealing from your side of the aisle for the last three years that unions are T3H EVUL and that they use unholy magic to force innocent, virgin businesses to do the bidding of UNION MASTERZ.
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:18 pm
PETER
@ 1:12
“…the Republicans fault.”"
And right on schedule, there comes that pesky plural vs possessive thingie…
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:19 pm
josef .. my comments never were directed to you, but to folks who keep saying the 47 % is who voted Obama in office.
I stated the wealthiest and the most educated stated voted him in.
cajdawg
December 21st, 2012
1:20 pm
Seriously Folk.
Thanks for the link. I haven’t read in entire document yet but on page 1, third paragraph on left the document says that total savings through 2022 are $250 billion. Again we are facing a ten year hole of approximately $10 trillion, so the Presidents discretionary budget cuts solves 2.5% of the problem. Those cuts are real but come no where close to solving the entirey of the problem. Granted the majority of the answer lies in Medicare.
Steve
December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
let’s pay special attention to LaPierre’s most important policy proposal [NRA]
——————————————————————————–
As the NRA leader sees it, the only proper solution to “a bad guy with a gun” is … wait for it … “a good guy with a gun.” With that in mind, LaPierre’s big new idea is armed guards at every school in the United States.
No, seriously, that’s what he wants.
Of course, school campuses can be awfully large, and the guards can’t be posted at every entrance, so I’m not sure why the NRA isn’t also suggesting armed guards be assigned to every student in every school.
Indeed, massacres aren’t limited to schools, so it stands to reason that the nation will also need armed guards “deployed” — a word LaPierre used in his speech — to movie theaters, shopping malls, and houses of worship.
And what happens when people go home? People are sometimes shot by criminals in their own house, which suggest we’ll need armed guards at all U.S. homes, too.
You get the point.”
Rachel Maddow
Peter
December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm
josef . My……… you should comment to all posters who may make a grammar mistake.
You could educate the entire blog…. we would be much better off with your service.
Thank you !
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:28 pm
PETER
Oh, only twits like you who come in pretending to be so superior. And would I flunk certain classes?
I strongly suspect that OREP would make my life a living hell!
OREP
In case you are here, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
josef
December 21st, 2012
1:35 pm
Okay, time to go upstairs and see what kind of sh*t I can get into there…
David
December 21st, 2012
1:36 pm
Oh, you mean the bill that the Democratically controlled Senate already said they would not pass AND the same bill that Obama said he would veto? Yeah, blame it on those crazy Republicans.
Seriously Folk
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
cajdawg. while it is not a proposal to cut the entire defecit, it does start to curtail spending..which is sorely needed. My intent of posting that link is there are far too many people who post on here that the President has done NOTHING and proposed NOTHING. He has proposed something some dont like..just as Republicans proposed something most dont like either..its called a democracy. But to say that we ONLY have a spending problem is ludicrous. We have short term and long term obligations, just like everyone who owns a house. The problem is the Republicans are saying to the country, “yeah, you may be making less money, and need to upgrade skills, but instead of going back to school, you need to pay down that 30 year mortgage..you are BROKE!!!” The war of 1812 was financed with DEBT!!!! Thank god we didnt freak out or we would all be speaking….EGADS!!!…SPANISH OR FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
richie
December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
What they should do! Is pass a true tax cut by lowering the rates on everyone.That would send a message to the President .The dems want to go over the cliff. They want the money!!!!!!and to cut the military to the bone. Watch it play out.The news media is a player in all of this. Its funny to watch. smile people this is what you people voted for!!!!!!1 Now you have it.!!!!!!!
Leonard
December 21st, 2012
1:56 pm
Asked earlier:
“The original plan Obama had would have increased MY taxes, but I was ready to make the sacrifice. And it’s MY money? Why do these blockheads fight so rabidly for other peoples money/ Money they will NEVER see? What is so wrong with the rich helping to foot the bills for the things that make them rich?”
I’ve always wondered about this.
I believe the answer is:
(1) Working-class Republicans agree with and want to support a lot of the party’s positions on social issues;
(2) The essence of conservatism is holding onto traditional practices and ideas, including the oldest American notion of all–that the USA is the Land of Opportunity–even when it’s not that any more, much. Believing fervently in the L. of Op. thing, working class Repubs also fervently believe that they WILL see those big piles o’ money one day.
This is a young country of immigrants with only a fragmentary shared culture. What stands at the heart of that little which can be shared here is the hope of economic advancement. Lots of us have to cling to that hope in order to make this country’s demanding social world make sense.
Jay
December 21st, 2012
2:00 pm
Here’s one relatively quick fix: To buy ammunition, you have to provide evidence of having completed a gun-safety course, including basic marksmanship.
All of a sudden, a lot of the guns held out there in criminal land will become a lot harder to fill with bullets. Will many of them still succeed in doing so? Yes. But it will be a lot fewer than today.
Tom Middleton
December 21st, 2012
2:20 pm
In the context of the unlimited human spirit, Jay, extremism always defeats itself through inadequacy.
But if we know this, as we who love real-deal democracy should, why do we have to endure all the political machinations we’re currently going through to get there?
Maybe it’s the Republicans just don’t love democracy and maybe it isn’t, but damn, we should be able to do better than this by now, even for the greediest and most selfish among us.
All this begs the question, of course, how much longer till our Founders are front-and-center in our politics again, not standing on the sidelines like they didn’t know what they were talking about?
Time and the prognosis on political insanity will only tell, but hopefully (and prayerfully) not much longer. I mean, we’ve got a nation and finally a world to save, Jay, and time is definitely running out!
Adam
December 21st, 2012
2:30 pm
Jay: All of a sudden, a lot of the guns held out there in criminal land will become a lot harder to fill with bullets. Will many of them still succeed in doing so? Yes. But it will be a lot fewer than today.
The exact same thing could be said of the guns themselves too. No reason to limit it to ammunition.
Peter
December 21st, 2012
3:45 pm
Isn’t it interesting most super rich actually want to pay more taxes and the Republican’s fail to see the facts ?
Peter
December 21st, 2012
4:24 pm
Well thank you Republican’s… at least I had the opportunity to buy more Nokia at a discount today.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
4:37 pm
Here’s the censored version that no doubt falls within Jay’s guidelines (and yes Jay I knew it was over the top):
Guns are a major problem, and you guys KNOW that.
There is no evidence to support the idea that more guns equals more safety. The one person who has suggested this and claims he has evidence has been widely discredited (http://www.salon.com/2012/12/21/why_is_the_media_rehabilitating_john_lott/) and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
You guys need to face facts. It’s time to restrict these weapons of mass murder, just like we restrict entrance into airports, just like we restrict sudafed because of meth addicts, just like we restrict FREE SPEECH because someone yelled fire in a crowded theater, just like we restrict people’s rights to liberty in the form of operating their chosen form of motor vehicle.
A right to a gun is not paramount. Dying on that hill would be foolish. You gain no security from having a weapon, but you DO create loss of freedom by insisting that it is a required part of everyone’s daily life. Being afraid that someone out there is going to shoot you down and several of your friends/colleagues/classmates all the time is NOT FREEDOM.
Adam
December 21st, 2012
4:37 pm
Whoops wrong thread.
clem
December 21st, 2012
7:39 pm
did you see all the dumarses lining up at gun stores today on tv? once a penal colony…always
Keith
December 22nd, 2012
3:32 pm
how does Israel prevent school shootings? armed teachers.