House conservatives obsessed with playing Samson

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Last night, rebellious Republican congressmen sent Plan B to outer space, banished their speaker to the corner and sent a message to the American people that yes, we really are this crazy.

In the end, voting for permanent tax cuts for 99.81 percent of Americans turned out to be unacceptable to those obsessed with maintaining 100 percent ideological purity. Downtrodden millionaires and billionaires must be protected, whatever the cost.

121205_boehner_ap_605Afterward, Speaker John Boehner seemed to throw up his hands in frustration at his own caucus.

“The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass,” Boehner said in a prepared statement. “Now it is up to the president to work with Sen. Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff.”

Boehner made no public statement and took no questions.

On critical issues of taxation and spending, this represents an enormous loss of clout for Boehner. To get future fiscal-cliff legislation through the House, he will now have to rely upon votes from both Republicans and Democrats — and probably more Democrats than Republicans. That in turn will make Nancy Pelosi his de facto co-speaker, with the two leaders trying to cobble together enough moderate votes from their parties to do the nation’s business.

It will be interesting to see whether Boehner’s fellow Republicans tolerate him playing that role, tolerance not being one of their strong points. And after the fiscal cliff will come the looming need to raise the debt ceiling,  a vote that now becomes fraught with even more danger for Republicans. There too, it’s now clear that Boehner will have to turn to Pelosi and her caucus for votes, increasing the odds of a dramatic cleavage within the House GOP.

samson-15It’s also important to note that conservative bravado notwithstanding, refusing to pass such legislation is not an option. It will pass because it must pass. The House may vote no once. It may vote no twice. But eventually, it will vote yes. It is only a question of how much damage the conservatives are willing to do to their party and their country as they play out their Samson Complex, intent on pulling the whole corrupt, Philistine temple down around their ears rather than compromise.

In that sense, the serenity prayer offered by Boehner in last night’s private GOP caucus was a rare touch of poetry from the saloon-keeper’s son:

“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.”

As last night demonstrated, such wisdom is in pitifully short supply right now. Republicans find themselves divided and in retreat, pitted against a president whose approval/disapproval ratings now stand at 56/37. Perhaps more important,  they are playing out their dysfunction in front of a citizenry already inclined to see the GOP as extremist and unwilling to bend for the good of the country.

Asked last night whether Boehner deserves blame for this failure, U.S. Rep. Steve LaTourette, Boehner’s fellow Ohioan, was blunt in rejecting the notion:

“It’s like saying the superintendent of an insane asylum should be discharged because he couldn’t control the crazy people. That’s nuts.”

Then again, isn’t it the job of the superintendent to control the crazy people?

LaTourette is an interesting figure. He was first elected to the House in 1994, part of the Gingrich wave that gave the GOP its first House majority in half a century. But the party’s hard move to the right has left him frustrated, and this year he declined to run for re-election. That has given him the freedom to utter hard, difficult truths.

“It weakens the entire Republican Party…,” he said after last night’s disaster. “It’s the continuing dumbing down of the Republican Party, and we are going to be seen more and more as a bunch of extremists that can’t even get a majority of our people to support our own policies that we’re putting forward. If you’re not a governing majority, you’re not going to be a majority very long.”

– Jay Bookman

365 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

December 21st, 2012
12:20 pm

My favorite statement in LaPierre’s diatribe today:

“”The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,”

As UnU would say, if she’d allow herself to: What a f–kin’ c–t.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 21st, 2012
12:20 pm

So apparently there was no response from 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 on why Wall St financiers laying into the Social Security trust fund — you know they’re literally dripping slobber at the thought of it — is an example of MOOCHERS at work.

To me, it’s the pinnacle of moocherdom. But given the crickets from the likes of 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801, I’m guessing he thinks no so much.

Interesting thinking there, 0311/8541/5811/1811/1801 .

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

“all the real working people voted for Romney”….. you mean the angry white minority ?

RF

December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

“All the real working people voted for Romney. Not meant to be a factual statement.”

But don’t you know if they’re actually “working”, they’re making at least a million a year…or drawing that from their dividends or daddy’s trust fund. Everyone else is just a “taker” in this economy. You only count if your net worth is in the seven figure range at a minimum.

Sad that they don’t know that a large portion of their own voting bloc is part of the infamous 47%, and even sadder that those folks keep voting for them.

cajdawg

December 21st, 2012
12:21 pm

F…..g Math:

Over the next ten years the CBO projects we will sport approximately $10 trillion in additional deficits. Obama’s tax increases bring in $600 billion to $1 trillion over ten years. The tax increases solve 10% of problem and that assumes the tax increases down have a drag affect on GDP.

In the past couple of years the Republican House has passed actual budgets, with real and specific numbers on paper, that gradually bring down deficits. Yes it cuts spending and painfully, it has to happen to make the math work.

The Senate has not passed a budget in years. The Presidents last budget was voted down 97-0 in the Senate. It is the last specific “plan” put forth by Democrats that had actual numbers on paper. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POINT ME TO A SPECIFIC PLAN, WITH NUMBERS ON PAPER, PUT FORWARD BY THE PRESIDENT OR HARRY REID THAT ADDRESSES THE REMAINING 90% OF THE 10 YEAR BUDGET SHORTFALL.

stands for decibels

December 21st, 2012
12:22 pm

Please, NRA, haul this sh-tbag out in front of the cameras more often. Let America get to know the kindly face of our idiotic gun policy all these years.

stands for decibels

December 21st, 2012
12:23 pm

The Presidents last budget was voted down 97-0 in the Senate

no it wasn’t. It was some used toilet paper with the words “Preznit Budjut” on it.

Please stop lying.

Erwin's cat

December 21st, 2012
12:24 pm

Regnad Kcin

December 21st, 2012
12:24 pm

“The top 1% and the bottom 50% takers put Obama back in office. All the real working people voted for Romney.”

Totally, massively incorrect, and you cannot cite a source supporting that position.

RF

December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm

“Yes it cuts spending and painfully, it has to happen to make the math work”

All the while maintaining an ever growing defense budget and continued tax cuts for those already paying a lower percentage than most of their employees. The problem with their “budget” is that it follows the Ryan budget plan, which was clearly voted down by the American people as well as most of his buddies in Congress. I bet you couldn’t get the Republicans to agree on where to have lunch right now, let alone propose an actual budget that makes sense.

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm

cajdawg .. You mean like the Republican plan where deficits don’t matter ?

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 21st, 2012
12:25 pm

Bucky Grimes

December 21st, 2012
12:26 pm

Thes librals are destroing our Country.
First they tok our jobs, now they wont to tax everone to death and make it soshalist country.
Well Ive had enuogh.
Don’t tred on me!!

stands for decibels

December 21st, 2012
12:27 pm

Murderous America Hating C–t SHEETZ

Erwin's cat

December 21st, 2012
12:28 pm

indigo – What is the general British reaction to the school shootings here?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-america-gun-laws-failed-again

How about Switzerland
http://investingforone.com/2012/12/19/swiss-reaction-to-newtown-tragedy/

now why would I mention Switzerland?

josef

December 21st, 2012
12:28 pm

“No that is not true .. But hey you live and probably got that Georgia education.”

Whee-doggies! Here comes Peter with his daily quasi-literate swipe at Georgia and education.

Are he and GT the same person?

Both are dumb as dirt, anyway!

I just love it when somebody comes in swiping Georgia and then show just how bloody ignorant they are themselves in few, uh, “well-chosen: words. Makes a Georgia teacher proud to know they ain’t our’n! :-)

Erwin's cat

December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

oops
delayed post…my bad

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

Bucky Grimes . You mean that Liberal George Bush ?

getalife

December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

The cons still have not got over the fact that our President crushed them twice .

Now, they have to get over their failed party is leaderless, powerless and flopping like a fish out of water.

It is too much for the cons to handle.

They can’t take it so they lash out like two year old children.

Pity them.

RF

December 21st, 2012
12:29 pm

the cat: think about Va. Tech- they have an entire police force and couldn’t stop that tragedy. More guns in more hands means more potential accidents and more potential shooters to have to secure in a building in the wake of such a disaster. All we’d need in most high schools is a force of adults running around with guns while the police try to secure the scene. The original shooter is dead by the time the first responders get in the building. Then you have a group of scared teachers you have to get to secure their firearms before you can even think about bringing medical personnel in the building. Sheesh, what a nutty idea!

JamVet

December 21st, 2012
12:30 pm

Ex-pat, my elk ain’t going nowhere!

cc, the christian fraud, like many new age Republicans, absolutely loathes Uncle Sam. The kid has an outright dripping hatred for our “gubmint”. Ask him, he’s not shy about it! As well as most of the people in this country who are not up to his Christian standards.

And this Reaganesque disease has gotten so bad that these dunces actually think that blatant anti-patriotism is both “conservative” and the key to winning elections.

(So shhhhhhh! Don’t let the fools in on the fact that the joke is on them.)

And ultimately, to guys like cc, there ain’t that much difference between his version of Christianity and Islam. (One gets more virgins when they croak, I think.) And since they can’t replace our democracy with a theocracy, it would seems that he would be much happier where they have one…

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:30 pm

josef ……. WOW how is Georgia ranking in education these days…. when they are not cheating on the test scores ?

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:33 pm

Thes librals are destroing our Country.
First they tok our jobs, now they wont to tax everone to death and make it soshalist country.
Well Ive had enuogh.
Don’t tred on me!!

Georgia education here josef ?

cajdawg

December 21st, 2012
12:38 pm

Peter said: “cajdawg .. You mean like the Republican plan where deficits don’t matter ?”

Deficits do matter to Republicans, Ryan’s plan reduces the deficit as a % of GDP. Go to page 3:

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-ryan_letter.pdf

Please show me a plan from Democrats, a specific plan with actual numbers, that reduces deficits.

Thank you.

jezel

December 21st, 2012
12:39 pm

Wonder what it will take for the GOP to get the message. They are out numbered…they do not have the consensus of the American people…their ideas are “tired”…they continue to make themselves look foolish…..An excellent example of being in a state of denial.

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:40 pm

Deficits do matter to Republicans….. Ok maybe…… Only after their policy’s bankrupted America ?

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:41 pm

josef . were you changing grades to prove you could teach ?

josef

December 21st, 2012
12:43 pm

PETER

“can you say talk with forked tongue ?”

Yeah, Can you? Put that superior non Georgia education to work… :-) .

Ga-wo-ni-s-gi ga-nu-ga tsu-lo-tso-tsi

oh, yeah, and while you’re at it, try to get the difference between the English plural and the singular possessive worked out…seriously, Mec, your make that one repeatedly enough that just plain old typo may not be the reason…

josef

December 21st, 2012
12:46 pm

PETER

Oh, I don’t give Georgia the highest marks in education. We’ve got problems galore and then some for extra measure. But at least we KNOW it…it’s folks that don’t know just how ignorant, badly educated and lacking in basic skills they are putting it down that I find abrasive. You’re part of the problem we’re trying to fix.

cajdawg

December 21st, 2012
12:46 pm

Hypothetically, if I grant you that the current trajectory of deficits is the Republicans fault. The president and Senate are currently in charge of 2/3 needed for bill passage, so the American people in their great wisdom expect the Democratic president and Senate to develop specific, mathematically feasible solutions to the problems the Republicans have created. The country is waiting.

josef

December 21st, 2012
12:48 pm

PETER

You’d flunk out of one of my classes within two weeks. For your info, our school came through the investigation with flying colors and test scores the envy of plenty of schools in plenty of districts,

josef

December 21st, 2012
12:53 pm

I was at the doctor’s office when the NRA guy was on (FOX, :-) ) and it was interesting watching the others in the waiting room fixated on what he was (not) saying…talk about bizarre…

Peter

December 21st, 2012
12:57 pm

You’d flunk out of one of my classes within two weeks.

My dad was a teacher, and he was able to connect with his kids…..apparently you are not able too if you would suggest that I would flunk out.

Angry is real…….

Oh, I don’t give Georgia the highest marks in education….. you mean the bottom 15 % of all school systems in the country ?

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 21st, 2012
12:57 pm

USinUK:

“as do teachers, cops, firefighters, doctors, nurses, and thousands others … everyday, ya frickin whiner.”

Exactly ! And just because they get a “pension” does not make them moochers. They EARNED it.

The problem is you libs. cannot tell the difference between a moocher and someone who earns what they get.

0311/8541/5811/1811/1801

December 21st, 2012
12:59 pm

Moochers are people who want something for nothing.

Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive. It was part of the contract they agreed to when they went to work ………… deferred salary if you wish ………… :o )

josef

December 21st, 2012
1:02 pm

PETER

My Dad was a businessman…that doesn’t mean I know the first thing about business. I don’t. As for my connection with my students, well, I let them be the judge there. All I can say is, there are plenty who make a point of keeping me up with what they’re doing in life, and it warms the c*ckles of my cold heart. It also puts silly twits like you into perspective…

Seriously Folk

December 21st, 2012
1:07 pm

@cajdawg. Okay, I guess since you asked…and I have posted this before, but by all means, go to http://www.whitehouse.gov and check on the “budget” Although that level of interaction may be a bit too much, I have taken the liberty of posting the “cuts, consolidations and savings” part….its 213 pages. So guess you will find a way to say, “but that isnt REAL cuts..only Repubs offered REAL cuts”… http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/ccs.pdf

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:09 pm

My Dad was a businessman…that doesn’t mean I know the first thing about business.

Ok…….. I will agree with your point.

I was a student, and now I am a business man……. Self employed since 1985.

If you would assume I would flunk your course, it must be the way you would teach it……. I never flunked a class in my life.

By the way what is the current ranking of the Georgia education system, compared to the rest of the nation ?

That was what got you all riled up in the first place wasn’t it ?

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:10 pm

Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive.

WOW a Republican backing a UNION….. is this a breath of fresh air ?

Steve

December 21st, 2012
1:10 pm

Anyone with half a brain and half of an education knows that:

1: Gun control means we regulate guns like we regulate driving a car. Your guns do not go away.

2. Fixing the deficit problem without tanking the economy means a gradual increase in taxes AND gradual cutting of spending. When the economy is better, we can adjust more.

Stop the nonsense, the politics, the posturing, the racism, the ignorance, and grow the #$#$ up.

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:12 pm

Hypothetically, if I grant you that the current trajectory of deficits is the Republicans fault.

What part is hypothetical ?

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:13 pm

2. Fixing the deficit problem without tanking the economy means a gradual increase in taxes AND gradual cutting of spending. When the economy is better, we can adjust more.

Thank you Steve !

Steve

December 21st, 2012
1:15 pm

You’re welcome, Peter. Common sense seems to elude many in this Confederate/ultra right wing forum of insanity.

josef

December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm

PETER

“I never flunked a class in my life.”

Probably because you never had a me for a teacher. I’m what’s known as an a33 buster. I expect my students to achieve, not to the “expectations,” but beyond that. I get plenty who come in thinking because they’ve never flunked a class, they can sail right along.

Me? Oh, I DID flunk some…just about every math course I ever took!

“That was what got you all riled up in the first place wasn’t it ?”

Not in the least. What got me riled up was your supercilious quasi-literate assumed superiority. As I said, and I repeat, Georgia has way more than its share of problems in the matters of education, schooling, and learning. And people like you are one of them.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 21st, 2012
1:16 pm

0311 — “Pensioners (whether government, union or corporate) earned what they receive. It was part of the contract they agreed to when they went to work”

Explain that to your buddies, then.

We’ve been hearing nothing but squealing from your side of the aisle for the last three years that unions are T3H EVUL and that they use unholy magic to force innocent, virgin businesses to do the bidding of UNION MASTERZ.

josef

December 21st, 2012
1:18 pm

PETER
@ 1:12

“…the Republicans fault.”"

And right on schedule, there comes that pesky plural vs possessive thingie… :-)

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:19 pm

josef .. my comments never were directed to you, but to folks who keep saying the 47 % is who voted Obama in office.

I stated the wealthiest and the most educated stated voted him in.

cajdawg

December 21st, 2012
1:20 pm

Seriously Folk.

Thanks for the link. I haven’t read in entire document yet but on page 1, third paragraph on left the document says that total savings through 2022 are $250 billion. Again we are facing a ten year hole of approximately $10 trillion, so the Presidents discretionary budget cuts solves 2.5% of the problem. Those cuts are real but come no where close to solving the entirey of the problem. Granted the majority of the answer lies in Medicare.

Steve

December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm

let’s pay special attention to LaPierre’s most important policy proposal [NRA]

——————————————————————————–

As the NRA leader sees it, the only proper solution to “a bad guy with a gun” is … wait for it … “a good guy with a gun.” With that in mind, LaPierre’s big new idea is armed guards at every school in the United States.

No, seriously, that’s what he wants.

Of course, school campuses can be awfully large, and the guards can’t be posted at every entrance, so I’m not sure why the NRA isn’t also suggesting armed guards be assigned to every student in every school.

Indeed, massacres aren’t limited to schools, so it stands to reason that the nation will also need armed guards “deployed” — a word LaPierre used in his speech — to movie theaters, shopping malls, and houses of worship.

And what happens when people go home? People are sometimes shot by criminals in their own house, which suggest we’ll need armed guards at all U.S. homes, too.

You get the point.”

Rachel Maddow

Peter

December 21st, 2012
1:22 pm

josef . My……… you should comment to all posters who may make a grammar mistake.

You could educate the entire blog…. we would be much better off with your service.

Thank you !

josef

December 21st, 2012
1:28 pm

PETER

Oh, only twits like you who come in pretending to be so superior. And would I flunk certain classes?
I strongly suspect that OREP would make my life a living hell!

OREP

In case you are here, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. :-)

josef

December 21st, 2012
1:35 pm

Okay, time to go upstairs and see what kind of sh*t I can get into there… :-)

David

December 21st, 2012
1:36 pm

Oh, you mean the bill that the Democratically controlled Senate already said they would not pass AND the same bill that Obama said he would veto? Yeah, blame it on those crazy Republicans.

Seriously Folk

December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm

cajdawg. while it is not a proposal to cut the entire defecit, it does start to curtail spending..which is sorely needed. My intent of posting that link is there are far too many people who post on here that the President has done NOTHING and proposed NOTHING. He has proposed something some dont like..just as Republicans proposed something most dont like either..its called a democracy. But to say that we ONLY have a spending problem is ludicrous. We have short term and long term obligations, just like everyone who owns a house. The problem is the Republicans are saying to the country, “yeah, you may be making less money, and need to upgrade skills, but instead of going back to school, you need to pay down that 30 year mortgage..you are BROKE!!!” The war of 1812 was financed with DEBT!!!! Thank god we didnt freak out or we would all be speaking….EGADS!!!…SPANISH OR FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

richie

December 21st, 2012
1:38 pm

What they should do! Is pass a true tax cut by lowering the rates on everyone.That would send a message to the President .The dems want to go over the cliff. They want the money!!!!!!and to cut the military to the bone. Watch it play out.The news media is a player in all of this. Its funny to watch. smile people this is what you people voted for!!!!!!1 Now you have it.!!!!!!!

Leonard

December 21st, 2012
1:56 pm

Asked earlier:

“The original plan Obama had would have increased MY taxes, but I was ready to make the sacrifice. And it’s MY money? Why do these blockheads fight so rabidly for other peoples money/ Money they will NEVER see? What is so wrong with the rich helping to foot the bills for the things that make them rich?”

I’ve always wondered about this.

I believe the answer is:

(1) Working-class Republicans agree with and want to support a lot of the party’s positions on social issues;

(2) The essence of conservatism is holding onto traditional practices and ideas, including the oldest American notion of all–that the USA is the Land of Opportunity–even when it’s not that any more, much. Believing fervently in the L. of Op. thing, working class Repubs also fervently believe that they WILL see those big piles o’ money one day.

This is a young country of immigrants with only a fragmentary shared culture. What stands at the heart of that little which can be shared here is the hope of economic advancement. Lots of us have to cling to that hope in order to make this country’s demanding social world make sense.

Jay

December 21st, 2012
2:00 pm

Here’s one relatively quick fix: To buy ammunition, you have to provide evidence of having completed a gun-safety course, including basic marksmanship.

All of a sudden, a lot of the guns held out there in criminal land will become a lot harder to fill with bullets. Will many of them still succeed in doing so? Yes. But it will be a lot fewer than today.

Tom Middleton

December 21st, 2012
2:20 pm

In the context of the unlimited human spirit, Jay, extremism always defeats itself through inadequacy.

But if we know this, as we who love real-deal democracy should, why do we have to endure all the political machinations we’re currently going through to get there?

Maybe it’s the Republicans just don’t love democracy and maybe it isn’t, but damn, we should be able to do better than this by now, even for the greediest and most selfish among us.

All this begs the question, of course, how much longer till our Founders are front-and-center in our politics again, not standing on the sidelines like they didn’t know what they were talking about?

Time and the prognosis on political insanity will only tell, but hopefully (and prayerfully) not much longer. I mean, we’ve got a nation and finally a world to save, Jay, and time is definitely running out!

Adam

December 21st, 2012
2:30 pm

Jay: All of a sudden, a lot of the guns held out there in criminal land will become a lot harder to fill with bullets. Will many of them still succeed in doing so? Yes. But it will be a lot fewer than today.

The exact same thing could be said of the guns themselves too. No reason to limit it to ammunition.

Peter

December 21st, 2012
3:45 pm

Isn’t it interesting most super rich actually want to pay more taxes and the Republican’s fail to see the facts ?

Peter

December 21st, 2012
4:24 pm

Well thank you Republican’s… at least I had the opportunity to buy more Nokia at a discount today.

Adam

December 21st, 2012
4:37 pm

Here’s the censored version that no doubt falls within Jay’s guidelines (and yes Jay I knew it was over the top):

Guns are a major problem, and you guys KNOW that.

There is no evidence to support the idea that more guns equals more safety. The one person who has suggested this and claims he has evidence has been widely discredited (http://www.salon.com/2012/12/21/why_is_the_media_rehabilitating_john_lott/) and doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

You guys need to face facts. It’s time to restrict these weapons of mass murder, just like we restrict entrance into airports, just like we restrict sudafed because of meth addicts, just like we restrict FREE SPEECH because someone yelled fire in a crowded theater, just like we restrict people’s rights to liberty in the form of operating their chosen form of motor vehicle.

A right to a gun is not paramount. Dying on that hill would be foolish. You gain no security from having a weapon, but you DO create loss of freedom by insisting that it is a required part of everyone’s daily life. Being afraid that someone out there is going to shoot you down and several of your friends/colleagues/classmates all the time is NOT FREEDOM.

Adam

December 21st, 2012
4:37 pm

Whoops wrong thread.

clem

December 21st, 2012
7:39 pm

did you see all the dumarses lining up at gun stores today on tv? once a penal colony…always

Keith

December 22nd, 2012
3:32 pm

how does Israel prevent school shootings? armed teachers.