Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
John Boehner is not acting like a confident man.
Yesterday, the House speaker made a curt, 52-second public statement regarding fiscal-cliff negotiations and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.
Later in the day, the AJC’s Daniel Malloy saw Boehner in a heated discussion with a handful of Georgia Republicans on the House floor. Asked about it later, they told Malloy that Boehner was pleading with them to support his so-called Plan B, which would raise taxes only on those with annual incomes of more than $1 million. At best, they seem unconvinced.
The speaker’s proposal — floated as a way to demonstrate that House Republicans are “serious” about deficit reduction — is scheduled to be voted on today. There’s a chance that it will go down to defeat if enough of Boehner’s fellow Republicans refuse to support it on grounds that it raises taxes, if only on the top 0.19 percent of earners.
It’s also interesting to note that Pope Grover I of Norquist has issued an papal bull decreeing that Plan B is somehow NOT a tax hike, and thus will not be interpreted as violating the no-tax-hikes-ever pledge that so many Republicans have signed. That says a lot about the hypocrisy involved, and about Norquist’s continuing power over party members. They may be elected by the people of their district, but they are answerable first to Pope Grover. They have to wait for him to tell them, like some pope ruling on a theological dispute, whether they have permission to cast a vote one way or the other.
Here’s the angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin rationale released by Norquist through his front group, Americans for Tax Reform, explaining how a bill that raises taxes is not really a tax hike:
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“ATR has consistently maintained that individual members of Congress make a pledge to their constituents to oppose and vote against tax increases. The House this week will vote on a tax bill. This legislation — popularly known as “Plan B” — permanently prevents a tax increase on families making less than $1 million per year. Republicans supporting this bill are this week affirming to their constituents in writing that this bill — the sole purpose of which is to prevent tax increases — is consistent with the pledge they made to them. In ATR’s analysis, it is extremely difficult — if not impossible — to fault these Republicans’ assertion.
In particular, in this Congress the House has already voted twice to prevent any tax increases on any American. When viewed with this in mind, and considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them — matters become more clear. Having finally seen actual legislation in writing, ATR is now able to make its determination about a legislative proposal related to the fiscal cliff. ATR will not consider a vote for this measure a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.”
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The statement is a clear lie, because as even Boehner has said, Plan B does raise taxes. Also note the claim that politicians made the no-tax pledge not to Norquist, but to their constituents. Pope Grover trotted out that same logic recently in his dispute with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, claiming that “If (Chambliss) plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government, he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them. The senator’s reference to me is odd. His promise is to the people of Georgia.”
Yet it is Norquist, not the people of Georgia, or Alabama, or North Dakota, who claims the power to define a clear tax hike as not a tax hike at all.
As a further sign of trouble, late last night Boehner and his allies tried to sweeten Plan B by adding spending cuts to the measure, including cuts that would gut ObamaCare. That may help the speaker through this most immediate crisis, but he also knows that when the time comes to recruit GOP votes for a final, negotiated package to avert the fiscal cliff, that package will not include cuts to ObamaCare.
A second GOP bill, also added to the day’s calendar to make Plan B easier to swallow, would end all defense cuts scheduled to take place under sequestration and replace them with still more cuts to social programs. That way, 100 percent of the cuts would come from entitlements and other programs, while defense spending is untouched.
The bottom line remains the same: House Republicans are badly out of step with the American people.
In another in a long string of such polls, a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week reported that 74 percent of Americans find tax hikes on those making $250,000 or more “acceptable.” Even 51 percent of Republicans find that acceptable. And 76 percent of Americans said House Republicans are not willing to compromise enough.
Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. The area that draws the most support for cutbacks (defense, at 42 percent; 48 percent among independents) is the only area in which Republicans refuse to even consider cuts.
That does not mean that cuts should not be made, in defense as well as social programs. Our fiscal problems cannot be corrected through tax hikes alone, nor through spending cuts alone. It has to be both. And by Boehner’s own admission, President Obama has proposed some $850 billion in spending cuts (the administration says the total is closer to $1.2 trillion once you throw in lower interest payments.)
Overall, those polling numbers tell us that Boehner has very little backing among the American people for the policies that his own caucus is insisting that he pursue to the bitter end. He knows that, and he’s trying to get that point across to his caucus. But in too many cases, he is preaching practicality to people to whom appeals to practicality smack of early-onset RINOism, an often fatal disease in that group.
– Jay Bookman
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straitroad
December 20th, 2012
9:17 am
The taxation side of the argument is purely political theater. We won’t begin to work the problem until we reduce spending.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:18 am
John is in a mighty fix to be sure.
Does he want to keep his job or do his job?
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
9:20 am
“Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. ”
I’M SHOCKED!!!!!
josef
December 20th, 2012
9:20 am
al SHARIFF TORQUEMADA
“Here’s the angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin rationale…”
So, it’s all a lot of cabbala? I thought so, but it’s nice to have those suspicions confirmed.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:22 am
straitroad
December 20th, 2012
9:17 am
The taxation side of the argument is purely political theater. We won’t begin to work the problem until we reduce spending.
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You do mean to more accurately say reduce spending even more, correct?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
9:23 am
I think Boehner should just roll over and give O’bozo and his euro-socialist cluster everything they want.
RIP USA 1776-2012
Class of '98
December 20th, 2012
9:23 am
It’s not easy being orange.
alittlecommonsense
December 20th, 2012
9:23 am
Looks like Boehner is trying very hard to compromise. You were calling the Republicans intransigent and unwilling to compromise before the election. Looks to me like Boehner is trying to compromise and Obama is the one who is intransigent. It doesn’t look like he will even accept the balanced approach that he campaigned on.
Class of '98
December 20th, 2012
9:26 am
Granny, even assuming that Forbes article is correct, it does not indicate spending CUTS. It indicates a decrease in spending GROWTH.
There is a difference.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:26 am
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
9:23 am
I think Boehner should just roll over and give O’bozo and his euro-socialist cluster everything they want.
RIP USA 1776-2012
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There he goes again…damning America.
Georgia
December 20th, 2012
9:27 am
Early-onset RINOism!! great stuff.
alittlecommonsense
December 20th, 2012
9:28 am
Granny – that link that you attached has been widely debunked. It uses tricks such as assigning bills that Obama signed (stimulus) to Bush because they preceeded the first Obama budget.
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
9:31 am
“There he goes again…damning America.”
Not me.
O’bozo voters did that in November.
Paul
December 20th, 2012
9:31 am
Speaker Boehner is trying to reason with the unreasonable. But he needs at least some of them to reach an agreement with the White House. So he’s moved from no taxes, then led them to increases on those earning more than a million – I hope it’s his version of tossing the frog in the pot of cold water and raising the heat a little at a time.
“considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them… ATR will not consider a vote for this measure a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.”
so if it’s not a tax increase on those making over a million a year, it’s not a tax increase on those making more than $250k or $400k, either. Looks like the Pope isn’t infallible, after all.
Having said all that, Democratic proposals for cuts are still inadequate. That Republicans seem amenable to them says a lot about what Republicans really think.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:31 am
Class of 98
And is that a problem?
Less spending?
Goodness Gracious?
Does this make you happier?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/110606/obama-deficit-reduction-offer-spending-cut-tax-increase-boehner
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 20th, 2012
9:32 am
Sinkwich,
you are becoming the Joe Btfsplk of Jay’s blog…
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:33 am
alittlecommonsense
December 20th, 2012
9:28 am
Granny – that link that you attached has been widely debunked. It uses tricks such as assigning bills that Obama signed (stimulus) to Bush because they preceeded the first Obama budget.
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Debunked? Widely?
Oh please share…I Can hardly wait.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
9:33 am
I think Boehner is offering his Plan B as a smokescreen, allowing him cover to say “look at Plan B – it had everything the Tparty wanted – I tried”. Boehner will ultimately cave, but this is an attempt to acheive some “street cred” first.
josef
December 20th, 2012
9:33 am
The economics end of all this is alien territory to me. But Jay’s metaphor in this post does make sense. This whole stand off smacks of an entrenched orthodoxy standing its ground against the forces propelling an age of Reformation. Perhaps Boehner should revisit Savanarola and Hus…
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
9:33 am
I’M SHOCKED!!!!!
Why? Medicaid and Social Security have their own funding streams. Increase the number of people working jobs other than minimum wage clerking jobs at Walmart, and you increase the revenue stream to those programs without tinkering with a damn thing. Unless you and everybody else is willing to simply fund those programs from the general fund, they should not be part of a conversation dealing with general fund program cuts.
As to Jay’s article, regardless to what Boehner thinks he can do, the position of advanage belongs to Obama as he doesn’t have to sign a single thing to get the tax hike that he wants. As an added bonus, he’ll also give the GOP the spending cuts they want, so the ideal compromise is for nothing to get signed into law.
Sure, we’ll likely trigger a global recession and all, but what’s a little pain in order to get our spending under control, right? Isn’t that what the GOP has been preaching all along? They should pack their sh*t and go home until the next session starts as far as I am concerned. They were elected to do a job, and they chose this route as their path forward. I say let’s hit their path full steam so people can truly experience the jackassery they’ve been voting for repeatedly. Maybe this will finally wake people up and actively pay attention to these things all the way to the voting booth.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:34 am
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
9:31 am
“There he goes again…damning America.”
Not me.
O’bozo voters did that in November.
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Ah, nope.
skipper
December 20th, 2012
9:37 am
Bro……….well said!
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 20th, 2012
9:38 am
Bro’
The GOP just want to put medicare and social security in private hands…can’t have a couple of programs that some fat cat can’t make money off of….
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:39 am
Bro
Here! Here!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
9:41 am
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
9:33 am
I’M SHOCKED!!!!!
Why? Medicaid and Social Security have their own funding streams. Increase the number of people working jobs other than minimum wage clerking jobs at Walmart, and you increase the revenue stream to those programs without tinkering with a damn thing. Unless you and everybody else is willing to simply fund those programs from the general fund, they should not be part of a conversation dealing with general fund program cuts.
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the math doesn’t add up………. the baby boomers will suck money to the RED in these programs as they age
the revenue streams include IOU’s (bonds) which is money borrowed from the the entitlements spent on the general revenues………. the only reason they will maintain solvency in the near future is that the general revenue funds must pay the money back into SS and MEDICARE
but then that takes up money from general revenues that could be spent feeding starving children
BOTH PARTIES HAVE USED ACCOUNTING TRICKERY………….. and the ponzi scheme is about to collapse when the full brunt of the baby boomers RETIRE
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
9:42 am
Ah, nope.
You’ll have to excuse Sinky, he and other menz like Pope Grover are frustrated because they don’t control everything any more. Very tough on their unrestrained ids.
Therefore, voters disagree with angry white men = voters clearly want to damn America.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
9:42 am
Ah yes, those intractable Republicans are at it again! If they were only reasonable like us end-of-history Democrats by default.
You by chance do any writing on the side for MSNBC, Jay?
larry
December 20th, 2012
9:43 am
Why? Medicaid and Social Security have their own funding streams. Increase the number of people working jobs other than minimum wage clerking jobs at Walmart, and you increase the revenue stream to those programs without tinkering with a damn thing. Unless you and everybody else is willing to simply fund those programs from the general fund, they should not be part of a conversation dealing with general fund program cuts.
Agreed!! Lets see………..what do we fund we our general income taxes………. oh yeah, defense.
Mr. Holmes
December 20th, 2012
9:43 am
Serious, nonpartisan (I hope) question: Why is the convention to call this or that tax legislation “permanent.” Nothing is permanent; Congress can always pass laws that reverse former laws. I guess I understand “permanence” is placed here in opposition to “temporary,” but considering how much of the population can barely read past a headline, doesn’t it at the least misrepresent the issue? Why not just leave off the adjective entirely? If something is temporary, then call it that, but in the absence of the word all laws would be assumed to have no sunset.
Paul
December 20th, 2012
9:44 am
alittlecommonsense
” It uses tricks such as assigning bills that Obama signed (stimulus) to Bush because they preceeded the first Obama budget.”
Even transferring the FY09 stimulus to Obama and attributing the rest of the FY09 budget to Bush (a third of which was a tax cut – you want to repeal that?) does not materially affect the main point.
AmericaShrugged
December 20th, 2012
9:44 am
Norquist might have a point by the WH own reckoning. http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/congressional_republican_plan_b_analysis.pdf
Looks like the millionaires get a tax increase for income over $1M and a tax decrease of about $50,000 less on the first million. So if you have say $1.1 to 1.8M in taxable income you’ll actually pay less taxes!!!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 20th, 2012
9:44 am
Well, who cares about this Physical Cliff when tomorrow the Rapture comes and it’s the end of the world? Funny how the Lord would let them heathen Mayans know which day it’s coming and leave us hard-worshipping Christians in the dark about it.
Anyway, I give it some thought and it come to me that it might make sense to let ‘er rip today, seeing as how I’m kinda like the high school senior that already earned enough credits to graduate and is just hanging around for a semester. I think I’ve earned enough credit to get took up with the Lord tomorrow.
So if you’re a Ripper, you got to have a Rippee, right? And that brought to mind women. And then it come to me that all the women these days are like Matti and Aquagirl. They can say one word and it turns you as limp as a earthworm in a downpour. They might as well have knifes in their hands.
So I reckon I’ll just spend my last day on earth hauling beer for all the Sinners to drink. Heck, they got to have something to do while us Christians are walking the Streets of Gold, and it might as well be drinking.
Have a good Thursday everybody.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
9:44 am
and just how is the president going to be responsible for the expiration
of the bush tax cuts by refusing to sign any tax law or responsible for
the sequestration law ? the speaker is pulling this from inappropriate
places….
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
9:45 am
skipper
Appreciated. I’m just growing very tired of this crap altogether. I would rather deal with the oncoming crap as opposed to having to deal with some hastily thrown together crap that will likely have us worse off than if we simply just let things happen as they already planned.
Corbin: The GOP just want to put medicare and social security in private hands…
That would be the single worst mistake that we, as a country, would be able to make if that happens. People are already getting screwed without a reacharound or astroglide with 401ks. By putting those programs into private hands, we’ll basically be nothing more than a commodity to Wall Street and health care providers. If they were worried about the ACA rationing care, what do they think a private company, who’s primary focus is profit, will do to someone who’s going to cost more to keep alive than die?
AmericaShrugged
December 20th, 2012
9:48 am
larry – That’’s sort of true but right now SS benefits exceed it’s not-interest revenues so part of SS benefits are being paid with the interest earned on the treasuries in the trust fund. That interest comes out of the general fund.
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
9:50 am
the math doesn’t add up………. the baby boomers will suck money to the RED in these programs as they age
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T!!!!!
One of Reagan’s greatest feats was that he foresaw that and actually increased the revenues going to Social Security to account for that. What Reagan could not foresee or anticipate is that our “business leaders” would offshore so many damn jobs that we don’t have the job base to support the retiring baby boomers. The income lost by offshoring can’t be replaced, but we can still absorb the baby boomers if we create CAREER TYPE jobs and quit with this whole idea of Walmart clerking ourselves into the future.
Corporations are making record profits. Wealth is accumulating in the top 1% in record numbers. We just saw approximately $2Billion contributed to a presidential campaign in a year’s time. Why can’t we see $2Billion contributed to a job campaign like that? Why is it that corporations and the wealthy are hoarding money instead of using it to make more money? Do you not realize that circulating money is what grows our economy? Hoarding doesn’t, and hoarding actually hurts the economy because it reduces the amount of money in circulation.
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
9:52 am
So we’ll be able to fund our government for 8 days? Awesome! Plus, we get government spending reduced in years 9 and 10 of the deal. This sounds great!
Reward the rich, they do all the hiring!
GT
December 20th, 2012
9:53 am
Georgians as usual show up with very little resume, a state last in about every ranking, but who errantly believe they have something to offer a beleaguered country. The greatest thing Georgia could do is just get the hell out of the way. A lot of this expense they complain about is what floats the state, more so than say New Jersey for mention of one. Lord knows if they could have only won that war this country would have been relieved of this mental illness that has plagued our population since Georgia’s conception.
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
9:53 am
Agreed!! Lets see………..what do we fund we our general income taxes………. oh yeah, defense.
You mean we should expect something besides the partially operational DOD wet dream F-22 in return for our tax dollars? Americans are so selfish nowadays.
nobodyyouknow
December 20th, 2012
9:55 am
Politcians STINK! they all lie. All one has to do is look back when OOOO’Bamma was running for president. He promised alot but has delivered little. And Boehner is no different. He looks like a mafia spokes person. Look folks’ they have been stealing from the American people for YEARS. They all leave Washington alot richer than when they first arrived there. Point fingers all you want ,just like they do, but it will never change.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
9:55 am
Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
I know what you mean, Jay. Can you imagine sitting down with the Georgia Republican delegation and trying to have a sane, rational, reality-based discussion with Broun injecting his “science is that stuff that comes straight from the pits of hell,” and Price continuously interupting with, “I Object, Madam Speaker.”
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:56 am
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
9:52 am
Reward the rich, they do all the hiring!
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Not meant to be a factual statement
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
9:56 am
The more people working, the more tax revenue comes in,,, not, the less people working, so let’s tax the very few wealthy folks to make up the difference. It just doesn’t seem like that’s going to work.
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
9:58 am
i simply don’t personally know of any poor people hiring. heck, not even ‘middle class’ folks. But if you know of some, please let us know..
josef
December 20th, 2012
9:58 am
GT
Just what do you know about Georgia at its inception? Methinks Abigail Minis and Mary Musgrove would chew you up and spit you out in no time flat…
mm
December 20th, 2012
9:58 am
Keep it cons. In 2 years, you will lose the house and will have less than 40 votes in the senate.
Just Saying..
December 20th, 2012
9:59 am
The Republican position is: “We insist on bigger spending cuts, just not as big as the cuts we’ve already agreed to.”
The irony is precious. And beyond them.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:59 am
“i simply don’t personally know of any poor people hiring.”
Actually, you do. That you don’t realize it says a lot about how little you know about what drives hiring.
tm
December 20th, 2012
9:59 am
Why? Medicaid and Social Security have their own funding streams. Increase the number of people working jobs other than minimum wage clerking jobs at Walmart, and you increase the revenue stream to those programs without tinkering with a damn thing
——Mr. Ponzi meet Mr. Madoff.
gadem also known as Benghazi
December 20th, 2012
9:59 am
Boehner would be wise to be a leader and not a follower…
Redcoat
December 20th, 2012
9:59 am
Did anyone expect Jay to ever want to be like Boehner?…haha…..Democrats own it……are are still in charge of labeling and defining. I wonder if a Democrat will explain all the good things that will happen, not use that “it would have been much worse if otherwise”?
East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)
December 20th, 2012
10:00 am
How about this deal. Let the GOP vote and pass their Plan B and send it off to the Senate. Harry Reid will allow a vote in the Senate on Plan B only if Boehner allows a vote on the bill passed by the Senate currently stalled in committee which extends tax cuts for over 250K. Basically, I will allow a vote on your bill if you will allow a vote on mine. Boehner is scared if that bill makes it to the House floor, it will pass.
joe
December 20th, 2012
10:01 am
I’m sure he would say the same about you…quite literally.
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
10:02 am
——Mr. Ponzi meet Mr. Madoff.
I see the Republican Jackass Brigade is marching in.
I’m out. Y’all have fun as I’ve hit my yearly limit of jackassery.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
10:02 am
Whether it be increased taxed on the $250k or the $1 million, it accomplishes next to nothing. It funds the federal government for what, eight days or something like that?
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
10:03 am
” ……………….. and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.”
Ah ……………. and how many times has Obama done just that ?????
Who cares!
December 20th, 2012
10:03 am
My 12 year old is a lot smarter than Joe Biden, he does say stupid stuff!
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:03 am
bill arp
The more people working, the more tax revenue comes in,,, not, the less people working, so let’s tax the very few wealthy folks to make up the difference. It just doesn’t seem like that’s going to work.
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of course it will work. when the wealthy owners of corporations learn
they must use it or lose it they will learn to ‘build it’ in the US.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
10:04 am
Pope Grover I of Norquist has issued an papal bull
After I stopped laughing–at first I thought Jay was just a little over-the-top with this.
Then I read the bull. Specifically:
When viewed with this in mind, and considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them
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this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them
So, glaciers–not permanent. Continents–also not permanent.
But tax regs? Pope Norquist says they’re “permanent,” so I guess it must be so. Along with that “permanent majority” they were building back in the Bush days.
/drive-by
Thulsa Doom
December 20th, 2012
10:05 am
Respect Saban.
And don’t bring a leprechaun to an elephant fight.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:06 am
Following the ATR “logic”, the one million dollar threshold can be replaced with ANY other value and still meet the given claim of no tax hike.
Lord Help Us
December 20th, 2012
10:06 am
3Q GDP revised UP to 3.1%…Yup, RIP America…
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:07 am
“The statement is a clear lie, because as even Boehner has said, Plan B does raise taxes.”
Silliness. Taxes are already schedule to go up. Keeping taxes the same is a tax cut. Bringing tax rates lower than they otherwise would under current law is a tax cut.
jewcowboy
December 20th, 2012
10:08 am
Gail Collins has a great analogy in her column today.
“Attempts to avert the infamous “fiscal cliff” are like a super-high-stakes card game. But you have to imagine a game in which one player needs to go into a back room before he makes his bet and get the approval of a herd of rabid ferrets.”
Guess who are the herd of rabid ferrets?
Thulsa Doom
December 20th, 2012
10:08 am
“I see the Republican Jackass Brigade is marching in.”
Fret not Brocephus. You have 10 divisions of Demorat assclowns to fight them with.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
10:08 am
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
9:58 am
i simply don’t personally know of any poor people hiring. heck, not even ‘middle class’ folks. But if you know of some, please let us know..
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Perhaps you should get out more.
Oh, and, not sure you’d be what I would consider
worth a letter of recommendation.
Redcoat
December 20th, 2012
10:09 am
Thulsa Doom……those elephants better be ready for that leprechaun “magic” they seem to concoct at the right times…….just saying
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
10:10 am
HEADLINE (New York Times): Reporters Criticized at News Conference
“His words, after five days of extensive news coverage and national debate, were intensely focused on gun violence. He addressed no other topics. Yet judging by the questions that followed his address, most of the members of the Washington press corps had other things on their minds.
“I’d like to ask you about the other serious issue consuming this town right now, the fiscal cliff,” was the first question, from The Associated Press’s correspondent, Ben Feller.
Mr. Obama answered. Then came the next question, again about the so-called “fiscal cliff”: “What is your next move?” Then: “You mentioned the $700,000, $800,000 — are you willing to move on income level?” And so on, for at least 15 minutes, before a question about gun violence was finally asked, by David Jackson of USA Today.”
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/at-news-conference-reporters-skip-past-gun-control-and-face-instant-criticism/
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
10:10 am
Interesting reading detailing the top debt holders of the US government.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/biggest-holders-of-us-gov-t-debt.html
Thulsa Doom
December 20th, 2012
10:11 am
“3Q GDP revised UP to 3.1%…Yup, RIP America…”
Yawn. Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan. Just the facts…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
10:11 am
Sure, we’ll likely trigger a global recession and all, but what’s a little pain in order to get our spending under control, right?
Europe is already in a recession, so anything that happens here isn’t going to be the “trigger” for that.
However, we’re looking at a GDP reduction of 4% when we’re growing at about 2.5%, so what we’re talking about is a pretty mild recession… which we’re due for anyway.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
10:11 am
“Whether it be increased taxed on the $250k or the $1 million, it accomplishes next to nothing. It funds the federal government for what, eight days or something like that?”
I agree with DIA that the proposed tax increase is too small.
I agree with DIA that we should increase taxes about 40 times the current proposal, so we can finance the government for the entire year.
Sheesh…
indigo
December 20th, 2012
10:12 am
The Republicans are answerable to Pope Grover AND the NRA.
I wonder if Pope Grover and the NRA are in a power struggle to see who will rule over the lackeys.
Anyway, I’s starting to look like we’re actually going over the cliff.
If that happens, look for a world record set for the loudness and shrillness of Democrats and Republicans blaming each other.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
10:12 am
Our government/economy reminds me of someone who is really out of shape and needs to “muscle up”.
The Republicans have a strict strength coach who believes in working out at the gym the hard way………….. “no pain, no gain”.
The Democrats have someone who reads the “Charles Atlas” advertisements in comic books.
Lord Help Us
December 20th, 2012
10:13 am
‘Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan. Just the facts…’
Lemme know when we hear a President say, ‘this sucker could go down’ – like we did under W.
Thulsa Doom
December 20th, 2012
10:13 am
I’ll be out the rest of the day. Gotta go before those 10 divisions of assclowns from the Demorat party show up. Plus I gotta work to pay the taxes to make sure they get their daily free shyte. Ya’ll be good. Or not.
clem
December 20th, 2012
10:14 am
boehner needs to tell the georgians God told him to raise the tax rate.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
10:18 am
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
10:11 am
“Whether it be increased taxed on the $250k or the $1 million, it accomplishes next to nothing. It funds the federal government for what, eight days or something like that?”
I agree with DIA that the proposed tax increase is too small.
I agree with DIA that we should increase taxes about 40 times the current proposal, so we can finance the government for the entire year.
Sheesh…
Don’t attempt to interpret my words. The point is, both sides of the argument are utterly ridiculous. Anyone who believes that either side is negotiating in good faith, with long-term solutions is a fool.
Show me where I said any of things or admit that you are a LIAR!
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
10:19 am
IGNORANT
Bowles is a DEMOCRAT and understands the trickery of washington……… liberals need to educate themselves
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If it’s solvent until 2037, why pick on Social Security?
If nothing is done, benefits would need to be cut by 22 percent to keep the system in balance
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997468/ns/politics/t/if-its-solvent-until-why-pick-social-security/
Lynnie Gal
December 20th, 2012
10:20 am
It’s impossible to reason with ideological lunatics, especially those who have hostages, like our economy, strapped to their waists and are threatening to blow it and themselves up to make their ideological point. In that way, the TP Republicans have something in common with Islamic Extremists. TP Republicans are Ideological extremists, not “Patriots” like they envision themselves. They are suicide bombers hellbent on blowing themselves and everybody else up as their New Year’s Eve gift to the country. Tick, tick, tick…
GT
December 20th, 2012
10:20 am
And that dear josef is a large part of our problem. A violent response from Abigail Minis and Mary Musgrove is very inherit and then who cleans up the mess that used to be me? The federal government I am sure.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
10:21 am
the demogrpahic numbers don’t lie
liberals like to CHAMPION demographics in electoral elections……. but when it comes to the finances of SS and MEDICARE they belittle the demographics
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
10:21 am
Pats by 3
bookman parrot
December 20th, 2012
10:22 am
libs are dancing everywhere…. because as long as they defeating the evil con ideology, they are happy… no matter the consequences
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
10:22 am
Gotta go before those 10 divisions of assclowns from the Demorat party show up.
Excuses, excuses. We all know Doomy’s running from the terrifying Leprechauns.
Nero
December 20th, 2012
10:23 am
LOL!!! Sequestraton here we come!!! HAHAHA!!!!!
josef
December 20th, 2012
10:24 am
GT
Abigail and Mary in a “violent” response.” Not sure I’m following that one. Fill me in.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
10:24 am
http://money.msn.com/investing/welcome-to-the-new-recession
josef
December 20th, 2012
10:25 am
Aquagirl
Doom’s off to sell some health insurance! He do love that Obamacare…
teacher
December 20th, 2012
10:26 am
jm,
still think banks don’t do well with QE3?? i was wrong on the time line up 20% in 4 mo not 16 mo.
teacher
September 13th, 2012
4:51 pm
QE3 is great for the banks….like it or not buy BAC and C and make 20% by the end of next yr when they raise divs
Jm
September 13th, 2012
4:58 pm
Teacher 4:51
A. You’re 100% wrong
B. You have it backwards
C. You probably shouldn’t be proffering investment advice, especially since you don’t know what you’re talking about, but even if you did….
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
10:28 am
Uh, please tell me the poor people that I personally know that is hiring. I’m wanting to learn here, not be put down, like some of you are doing..you gotta love folks like you..Treat us equal, but let me make fun of people i don’t even know…nice!
Ronald Reagan
December 20th, 2012
10:30 am
Speaker Boehner is a great man & will make the right decision for the WORKING class citizens! He wouldn’t leave a small group dying like President Barry H. & Hillary R. did in Benghazi!
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:30 am
“Whether it be increased taxed on the $250k or the $1 million, it accomplishes next to nothing. It funds the federal government for what, eight days or something like that?”
No.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:31 am
If bill’s so-called “poor people” were to quit purchasing things, how many jobs would be lost.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
10:34 am
Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan.
Does Obama get to triple the debt, to 36 trillion, like Reagan did, to accomplish this?
I bet he could manage that GDP/job growth and then some if you’ll allow that.
liz
December 20th, 2012
10:35 am
my plan “b” is to marry johnny boner’s dermatologist.
josef
December 20th, 2012
10:36 am
LIZ
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
10:38 am
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:30 am
No, what?
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:38 am
Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan.
Will W’s 9 million private sector jobs lost due to his Great Recession do as a consolation prize.
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
10:39 am
The demand-supply concept is still relevant when it comes to the economy. Investors are the owner’s of publicly traded companies with many of those companies having made record profits and are collectively sitting on more than $2 Trillion dollars in cash.
It appears the managers of these companies are not leveraging the available resources to obtain a greater market share and a greater return on investment for the actual owners of said corporation.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:39 am
No, what?
Albany,
You might wish to look for the question mark. That should help you figure it out.
Thomas Heyward Jr
December 20th, 2012
10:39 am
yea yea.
So Pope Grover I of Norquist and his henchman Sir Fartalot Boehnor will raise taxes and a court jestor has a cow.
.
Only crickets will be heard when the Prince of Darkness signs off on Medicaire/SS cuts.
.
Somebody has to pay for the wildly successful TARP program ……in this…………………………..”winter of recovery” part 3.
.
lol
Will
December 20th, 2012
10:40 am
taxes must be raise to support our spending
David Granger
December 20th, 2012
10:43 am
I wouldn’t want to be John Boehner either, Jay. He just proposed the same exact deal that Harry Reid proposed a couple of years ago, and the President turned it down flat.
citizen
December 20th, 2012
10:44 am
I’m not sure the votes are there today but I also think that if we go over the cliff, we can start with a new slate after the first of the year and maybe get more spending cuts that are called for in Plan B.
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
10:45 am
I’m thinking the first thing that needs to be agreed upon, is what defines ‘poor’, ‘middle class’, or ‘rich’ in monetary terms…Then, go from there.
I think the President has a pretty good offer from the Speaker, he should take it while he can..
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
10:45 am
No, what?
I’m not an English major but usually when someone re-states your premise and follows it with their own statement of “no” it means your premise is faulty.
I know it’s a conservative game to shovel out the crazy so fast you think the lack of a detailed rebuttal means you’re correct. Unfortunately reality doesn’t reward you for rapid fire crazy or the unwarranted assumption you are always correct unless proven otherwise by evidence you personally deem acceptable.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
10:50 am
I’m thinking the first thing that needs to be agreed upon, is what defines ‘poor’, ‘middle class’, or ‘rich’ in monetary terms…
why, pray tell, do conservatives (mostly the slimy online types, mind you, although it seeps into the polite discourse sometimes, too) seem obsessed with defining what a term like “rich” means?
Who gives a flying f###? This is NOT, despite what your Galtian overlords bray 24/7, about “punishing” anyone for success. If we could go another year without collecting the kind of tip-money we’re talking about via this modest income tax increase on them, I absolutely would not give a happy monkey-crap.
They are going to be fat and happy pre- and post- ANY Grand Bargain we reach.
I care about the collective dignity and health of my fellow citizens, first and foremost, in these deals. I all who wish to be back at work, back at work. That takes priority, not some a-hole’s notion about what kind of “debt crisis” relief we’re going to doctor up.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
10:51 am
I WISH all who want to be back at work, back at work. I meant. Stupid fat fingers.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:52 am
Aquagirl
I’m not an English major but usually when someone re-states your premise and follows it with their own statement of “no” it means your premise is faulty.
I know it’s a conservative game to shovel out the crazy so fast you think the lack of a detailed rebuttal means you’re correct. Unfortunately reality doesn’t reward you for rapid fire crazy or the unwarranted assumption you are always correct unless proven otherwise by evidence you personally deem acceptable.
……………………………………………………………………………..
so that’s what no means…
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
10:57 am
No means No!
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Aw hell, sfd. Here you are talking about the failure of some here to accept the fact that a small tax hike back to earlier levels on some of the wealthiest will not hurt them in the least when we cannot even get that same group to admit that they need to accept a little responsibility for gun ownership by implementing laws designed to reduce deaths of little children resulting from the misuse of said guns. It’s much more important for them to try and divert with comments about how their sperm are sacred beings that must be protected at all costs from the ravages of the flushed condom, etc.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
10:58 am
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
10:45 am
No, what?
I’m not an English major but usually when someone re-states your premise and follows it with their own statement of “no” it means your premise is faulty.
I know it’s a conservative game to shovel out the crazy so fast you think the lack of a detailed rebuttal means you’re correct. Unfortunately reality doesn’t reward you for rapid fire crazy or the unwarranted assumption you are always correct unless proven otherwise by evidence you personally deem acceptable.
Most of the regulars absolutely delight in not simply pointing out that you are wrong! What, if I could impose upon your royal highness, was “rapid fire crazy or unwarranted assupmtion” in my post?
Just because you don’t agree with facts doesn’t make them false. Of course, you think that it’s cute…
Partisay
December 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Ronald Reagan
“He wouldn’t leave a small group dying like President Barry H. & Hillary R. did in Benghazi!”
_______________________________________________________________________________
Small group? You mean like the 241 US Marines YOU let die in those barracks in Beirut back in 1983?? A small group like that??
The Oddball
December 20th, 2012
10:59 am
I am astonished at all the posts accusing this President and that President of creating debt by spending money. The President of the United States cannot spend one dime that is not appropriated and given to him by the Congress. You can criticize the President for not asking for enough cuts (which Congressmen will oppose if it hurts their chances for re-election) or for asking for too much (see Reagan, Ronald, who never once proposed a balanced budget.) But in the end, responsibility rests with Congress.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
10:59 am
B. Arp — “Uh, please tell me the poor people that I personally know that is hiring.”
Not a problem.
The poor people you know need groceries. That means they take their business to a grocery store.
They also might need gas to get to work. That means they take their business to a gas station.
They might need to fix a door latch or replace an air filter on their furnace, so that means they’d take some business to a hardware store.
Still with me, Bill?
Multiply all those poor people’s needs by several million, and you start to get an idea of how many JOBS those poor people are supporting. Someone’s got to produce the food, ship it to the grocery store, stock it and check customers out. Someone’s got to drill the oil out of the ground, refine and transport it, then sell it to customers at gas stations. And someone’s got to make those hammers, wrenches and air filters, ship them to the hardware store and sell them to the customers.
A rich person doesn’t necessarily consume more of those things than a poor person does — how many air filters can one person use, after all? But if you ADD UP all those poor people and the things they need and buy on a routine basis, you should start to recognize the amount of American jobs that are created and continue to exist because of poor people.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
10:59 am
Barack, Timmy and a friend meet to discuss the merits of the latest deal.
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
11:00 am
If the neocons have very, very little credibility on fiscal matters – and they do – they have nobody but themselves to blame.
But that is not what The Party of Personal Irresponsibility does.
These neer-do-well fools actually let the super wealthy and powerful convince them that the wealth was gonna trickle down to them, their families and communities.
How stupid was that???
fedup
December 20th, 2012
11:01 am
Looks like 76% has got Obama’s back. For 4 yrs he took Boehner’s sh*t (remember 1 term Prez) and now it is his turn to dish it out.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:03 am
You mean like the 241 US Marines YOU let die in those barracks in Beirut back in 1983?
Yeah, but those Grenadians defending the air base with shovels and rakes never knew what hit ‘em. You messed with Ronnie, and by god, some guy in sneakers halfway around the world was gonna pay.
Quwonetta
December 20th, 2012
11:04 am
“Overall, those polling numbers tell us that Boehner has very little backing among the American people…”
Sure Jay, he appointed himself Speaker of the House of Representatives and the GOP majority members appointed themselves to Congress.
As much as it irks you those folks are the voice of the American people saying they prefer divided government.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
11:04 am
the fact that a small tax hike back to earlier levels on some of the wealthiest will not hurt them in the least
No
massachusetts refugee
December 20th, 2012
11:04 am
this is all BS. the left is being every bit as stubborn aboot the spending cuts as the other side is aboot taxes. until both are addressed, seriously addressed, there will be stalemate and it all will be just kicked down the road. the spending cuts have to be real cuts – not just “slow the growth of new spending” – and it has to come from every program, “entitlements” and defense, and everything else.
GT
December 20th, 2012
11:08 am
Josef you had mentioned something about these two fine southern ladies crewing me up and spitting me out. Trust me I know the feel of the teeth and it is very violent even in NRA terminology.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:10 am
the left is being every bit as stubborn aboot the spending cuts as the other side is aboot taxes.
You Canadians can stay out of this. Be happy with your single payer health insurance and your improved life expectancies and lower violent crime rates and leave us be.
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
11:11 am
“Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. ”
I’M SHOCKED!!!!!”
And in even more shocking news, 0% back paying for any of it while 99% back making somebody else pay for it.
How stupid do you have to be to spew this mindless drivel as if anybody should expect those poll results to be any different?
yuzeyurbrane
December 20th, 2012
11:15 am
There never was much of a chance for a deal. So fiscal cliff will happen but will turn out to be negative bump which will get us to new Congress with less Teabag Republicans. Hopefully, then there will be enough support for a fair deal.
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
11:16 am
“These neer-do-well fools actually let the super wealthy and powerful convince them that the wealth was gonna trickle down to them, their families and communities.”
Says the guy who thinks he’s entitled to the benefits of an advanced society just because he gets up in the morning and makes idiotic comments on a blog all day. Jammie, the only thing “trickling” on you might be your mom’s leaky toilet from upstairs. You should probably ask her to fix that when she brings you your lunch.
GT
December 20th, 2012
11:16 am
DownInAlbany you are full of it, a rake amateur next to the Babe, Aquagirl, one of the true delights on this blog. You cons love to be bubble boys, and when Aquagirl pops that manly bubble of your’s, you get a case of the tightass. Maybe stretch out a little, research you subject beyond the tobacco and gun lobby furnished material. Then my boy you will be a man that day and all on earth is yours.
bill arp
December 20th, 2012
11:17 am
I would consider those people to be ’supporting’, not ‘hiring’. I think that’s two different things, but that’s just me. Of course, I’m probably wrong.
As far as putting a number on what’s ‘rich’ or not came from the President, did it not? I didn’t realize he was a (R)..He’s the one who said someone making 450K/yr was rich and needed to pay more. I personally disagree with that, and think the ‘number’ should be more like the speaker says, 1,000,000.00/yr.
I still say, if this country is THIS divided, then maybe, it should be divided..literally. No, not going off the deep end like some would say, ‘oh, Civil War, huh’…No, not at all, those that want higher taxes and more government, go here, those that want less taxes and less government, go here..pretty simple, right?
Have a wonderful day.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
11:17 am
The Oddball
December 20th, 2012
10:59 am
I am astonished at all the posts accusing this President and that President of creating debt by spending money. The President of the United States cannot spend one dime that is not appropriated and given to him by the Congress. You can criticize the President for not asking for enough cuts (which Congressmen will oppose if it hurts their chances for re-election) or for asking for too much (see Reagan, Ronald, who never once proposed a balanced budget.) But in the end, responsibility rests with Congress.
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CORRECT
AND THE PELOSI CONGRESS WHERE DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH CHAMBERS FROM 2007-2010 WERE THE WORST SPENDERS IN HISTORY
$5 TRILLION IN DEBT
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:21 am
How stupid do you have to be to spew this mindless drivel
In RB-land, asking American citizens about how they should be governed and reporting those results is “mindless drivel.” Got it.
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
11:21 am
What, if I could impose upon your royal highness, was “rapid fire crazy or unwarranted assupmtion” in my post?
The entire thing is an unwarranted assumption. As I said, it’s a con thing to make statements (usually cribbed from elsewhere) and then act like they’re correct just because you spoke the magic words. It’s up to everyone else to prove them wrong, and unless the con personally accepts the argument they’ll continue waltzing about like the Emperor with no clothes.
This is how we get to hear crap like “Owl Gore uses a plane, therefore global warming is a conspiracy” “the 47% are leeches” or “Evolution is a lie from the pits of hell.” None of these have the slightest basis in reality and completely lack any supporting evidence. That doesn’t stop them from being accepted as conservative canon.
There’s a reason the conservative/Republican demographic looks like Grover Norquist—white men have skated on their ability to blat out anything unchallenged and expect people to adjust to it as fact. When reality runs over your blatting, there’s generally wailing and gnashing of teeth. Just ask John Boehner.
It’s a free country and you’re welcome to burp out statements like “increasing taxes on the sacred job producers would only fund the country for 8 days” but sadly enough for you, people are now–gasp!—expecting you to support your point if you want them to line up on your side. Those 47%ers, wimmenfolk, and assorted undesirables will actually kick you to the curb otherwise. Oh, the nerve! How uppity! By questioning your statement I automatically qualify for a snotty “your highness!” And taxpayer gets a snotty “no, what?” Well boo-hoo for you.
I know, it’s gotta be a big shock, but you can either adjust to this reality or join the dinosaurs. And frankly my dear, I don’t care which course you choose.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
11:22 am
GT
December 20th, 2012
11:16 am
DownInAlbany you are full of it, a rake amateur next to the Babe, Aquagirl,
I’ll take that as a compliment, considering the source!
one of the true delights on this blog.
Not meant to be an true statement
You cons love to be bubble boys, and when Aquagirl pops that manly bubble of your’s, you get a case of the tightass. Maybe stretch out a little, research you subject beyond the tobacco and gun lobby furnished material. Then my boy you will be a man that day and all on earth is yours.
Post dissenting facts and have your manhood questioned! And, you call me, a boy!
Sheeesh
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:22 am
Seriously, RB, would a “One dollar = one vote” arrangement be more to your liking, for electing officials and establishing public policy?
Jay
December 20th, 2012
11:22 am
Hi folks:
Unless things change — which they often do given the news cycle — I’ll be on CNN at 1:30 to talk about the gun safety/drunk driving model.
alittlecommonsense
December 20th, 2012
11:22 am
“You mean like the 241 US Marines YOU let die in those barracks in Beirut back in 1983?”
Stupidest post of the day so far. If I have to explain to you why this is different, you aren’t smart enough to get it anyway.
Politically Speaking
December 20th, 2012
11:23 am
I hate to sound naive, but why are some government expenditures called “entitlements” while others are not? Who decides these things? In my mind, providing for the poor and the elderly are just as necessary as spending billions in defense of foreign governments, possibly even more so. Why can’t we cut our defense budget? Do we really need sailors, soldiers and marines stationed all over the globe? Our military is more than capable of defeating that of any other nation on Earth, so why do we need to spend more on it? If I had to choose between American children starving or going without proper medical care and a few hundred thousand soldiers defending the monarch of some middle eastern country, I would choose to spend money on the American kids.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:24 am
I’ll be on CNN at 1:30 to talk about the gun safety/drunk driving model.
Dude, three words, based on your otherwise more-than-credible Maddow appearance:
Remember. To. Smile.
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Remember. To. Smile.
I thought the three magic words were: Lighten. Up. Francis.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
11:26 am
Morning Jay is off and running !!!!!!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
11:27 am
“I would consider those people to be ’supporting’, not ‘hiring’. I think that’s two different things, but that’s just me. Of course, I’m probably wrong”
“It is not the employer who pays the wages. Employers only handle the money. It is the customer who pays the wages.” Henry Ford
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/h/henry_ford.html#2xU0FbmOGtLmR04p.99
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
11:28 am
Words like “entitlements” are used by the so-called conservatives as they have been polled and determined to be talking points in think tanks.
The question has been, how can it be an entitlement when you pay for it??????
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:29 am
If I have to explain to you why this is different, you aren’t smart enough to get it anyway.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Scooter
December 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Somehow Boehner needs to get the democrats to display their party’s unwillingness to cut any social programs. It’s always tax increases first and spending cuts later with Democrats, except spending grows and cuts never materialize.
Oh yeah, and color me shocked that 74% of the people want others taxes to go up so they can continue receiving the benefits therefrom.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
11:21 am
What, if I could impose upon your royal highness, was “rapid fire crazy or unwarranted assupmtion” in my post?
The entire thing is an unwarranted assumption. As I said, it’s a con thing to make statements (usually cribbed from elsewhere) and then act like they’re correct just because you spoke the magic words. It’s up to everyone else to prove them wrong, and unless the con personally accepts the argument they’ll continue waltzing about like the Emperor with no clothes.
This is how we get to hear crap like “Owl Gore uses a plane, therefore global warming is a conspiracy” “the 47% are leeches” or “Evolution is a lie from the pits of hell.” None of these have the slightest basis in reality and completely lack any supporting evidence. That doesn’t stop them from being accepted as conservative canon.
There’s a reason the conservative/Republican demographic looks like Grover Norquist—white men have skated on their ability to blat out anything unchallenged and expect people to adjust to it as fact. When reality runs over your blatting, there’s generally wailing and gnashing of teeth. Just ask John Boehner.
It’s a free country and you’re welcome to burp out statements like “increasing taxes on the sacred job producers would only fund the country for 8 days” but sadly enough for you, people are now–gasp!—expecting you to support your point if you want them to line up on your side. Those 47%ers, wimmenfolk, and assorted undesirables will actually kick you to the curb otherwise. Oh, the nerve! How uppity! By questioning your statement I automatically qualify for a snotty “your highness!” And taxpayer gets a snotty “no, what?” Well boo-hoo for you.
I know, it’s gotta be a big shock, but you can either adjust to this reality or join the dinosaurs. And frankly my dear, I don’t care which course you choose.
Such a diatribe over the fact that I dare mention the fact that “taxing the rich” accomplishes next to nothing…other than giving the libs a notch in their belt.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
11:30 am
“If I have to explain to you why this is different, you aren’t smart enough to get it anyway.”
This means: “because SHUT UP! That’s why!”
Joetavious
December 20th, 2012
11:32 am
“I’ll be on CNN at 1:30 to talk about the gun safety/drunk driving model.”
I’d love to catch your lecture Jay but I’ll be rearranging my sock drawer @ that hour.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:32 am
There’s a reason the conservative/Republican demographic looks like Grover Norquist—white men have skated on their ability to blat out anything unchallenged and expect people to adjust to it as fact. When reality runs over your blatting, there’s generally wailing and gnashing of teeth.
See also:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mansplain
healthy dose of ^^that involved.
indigo
December 20th, 2012
11:33 am
Where can I get that daily free shyte Doom and others here keep talking about?
Why are they keeping it’s location a secret?
straitroad
December 20th, 2012
11:33 am
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
9:22 am
I mean until we only spend about 95% of actual revenues.
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
11:33 am
It appears that President Reagan was warned not to put the Marines in the barracks in Beirut by his own Defense Secretary, Caspar Weinberger, because they position could not be defended.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/07/1138116/-The-President-Was-Warned-Security-Was-Lacking-And-Did-Nothing#
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
11:34 am
Remember. To. Smile.
I’d recommend legal “speed”. Anyone got a couple of diet pills for Jay?
Will you at least be there with the interviewer or will you have to suffer with the ear bud and worrying about the noises in your head?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
11:35 am
taintgotnocommonsenseanyhow — “Stupidest post of the day so far. If I have to explain to you why this is different, you aren’t smart enough to get it anyway.”
Tell you what. You can explain it to me.
A friend of mine died in that bombing, and I’m sure his parents would appreciate the clarification that only you can give on the topic.
You have the floor.
straitroad
December 20th, 2012
11:35 am
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:29 am
Do you agree with aquagirl’s comment about “white men”?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 20th, 2012
11:36 am
Gas is below $3.00 a gallon?
It’s Obama’s fault??
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 20th, 2012
11:37 am
I’m with Indigo, it seems the only people talking about getting free stuff from Obama are those who didn’t vote for him.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Gas is below $3.00 a gallon?
That has to be wrong.
I was assured on this very forum by two different sources that gasoline would be $6 a gallon by election day.
DannyX
December 20th, 2012
11:38 am
“Gas is below $3.00 a gallon?”
3rd quarter GDP revised up, now at 3.1%, Obama’s fault.
BENGHAZI
indigo
December 20th, 2012
11:38 am
alittlecommonsense – 11:22
It’s different because being Republican means never having to say you’re sorry.
Right, sporty?
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Do you agree with aquagirl’s comment about “white men”?
No, she’s entirely too charitable.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
11:39 am
it seems the only people talking about getting free stuff from Obama are those who didn’t vote for him.
That’s ’cause the rest of us got the free stuff! Envy!!
Partisay
December 20th, 2012
11:39 am
alittlecommonsense – “Stupidest post of the day so far. If I have to explain to you why this is different, you aren’t smart enough to get it anyway”
_________________________________________________________________________________
Oh really? Does this sound familiar??
“Shortly after the barracks bombing, President Ronald Reagan appointed a military fact-finding committee headed by retired Admiral Robert L. J. Long to investigate the bombing. The commission’s report found senior military officials responsible for security lapses and blamed the military chain of command for the disaster. It suggested that there might have been many fewer deaths if the barracks guards had carried loaded weapons and a barrier more substantial than the barbed wire the bomber drove over easily.”
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
11:40 am
F. McCool — “Gas is below $3.00 a gallon?”
I saw $2.99 at two QTs on the way to work this morning.
Racetrac had $3.05, but maybe their sign-tweaker employee hadn’t gotten around to fixing that yet this morning.
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
11:40 am
“Free stuff” is a phrase coined by the so-called conservatives at one of their think tanks with the session led by the likes of Frank Luntz.
Soothsayer
December 20th, 2012
11:40 am
Jay, do you mind I tell people I knew you when you were still a “little people?”
Soothsayer
December 20th, 2012
11:41 am
If you haven’t been outside today, don’t. It’s really ugly out there and getting colder.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
11:42 am
If I went on cnn, I would tell the dems to take cutting SS off the table.
straitroad
December 20th, 2012
11:42 am
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:38 am
Sarcasm only prevents rational discussion. It accomplishes nothing.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
11:43 am
Jay,
Andy Rooney’s spot remains unfilled !
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:48 am
Sarcasm only prevents rational discussion. It accomplishes nothing.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Politically Speaking
December 20th, 2012
11:48 am
Do you agree with aquagirl’s comment about “white men”?
No, I don’t! It sounds very racist to me, but what do I know? I’m only a white man (and a registered Democrat) who thinks racism is a true sign of ignorance. The only race I recognize is the HUMAN race!
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
11:48 am
straitroad,
Sarcasm only prevents rational discussion. It accomplishes nothing.
…………………………………………………..
nothing simply is and requires no accomplishing. sarcasm highlights
irrational thoughts and actions.
GT
December 20th, 2012
11:48 am
DownInAlbany we once heard description of the Mormon Church being a cult religion and it was a weight on the national political chances of any candidate that ran under its influence. In some last minute adjusting Billy Graham came out taking the Mormon Church off the cult list in some gesture hoping the American public would buy and see Mitt Romney as not weird and one of us.
One of the things this election pointed out to the people watching is the American voter is not as foolish as the right would have us think. I find Grover Norquist to be another one of these cult types that maybe Billy needs to dedemonize in hopes we don’t see the weirdness that crowds his image. The little misdirection Grover thinks so cute of taking a shot at a candidate and then deflecting the criticism to the candidate’s constituency who has not made a peep but are suddenly responsible for Grover’s actions and words, since he doesn’t want the heat himself. He gets involved and puts on that stupid act when the world comes after him. A troll under the bridge not unlike the NRA that want to operate in the dark, undetected. There are so many of these weirdoes in the Republican dark wings working the levers. Darkness is not democracy it is anything but.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:49 am
Sarcasm only prevents rational discussion. It accomplishes nothing.
Are you a white guy like me, or do I need to speak jive?
if the former–I really wasn’t being terribly sarcastic. She may have gone literally “far enough” for my tastes, but I think the white-guy’s hard wiring to fall back on a paternalistic brand of misogyny plays a role in the phenomenon she described, so I thought it worth adding to the mix.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
11:51 am
GT
dedemonize…catchy word..i like it.
straitroad
December 20th, 2012
11:52 am
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:49 am
How do you think this “hard wiring” originated? For what reason?
alittlecommonsense
December 20th, 2012
11:56 am
Ok – to those who stepped forward admitting they need explanation -
First, a barracks full of Marines typically doesn’t need protection. Marines go in harm’s way. We are the protection.
Second, it was an incident that happened in a matter of seconds. Not a lot of warning to react to.
I could keep going, but really aren’t those two reasons enough?
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
11:56 am
How do you think this “hard wiring” originated? For what reason?
Species survival, one imagines.
Og ANGRY when other man enter CAVE and steal FOOD!
Og ANGRIER when woman complicate Og’s life with QUESTIONS about why man steal FOOD!
But we have to adapt to continue surviving. There’s always going to be some left in the primordial soup while others crawl on dry land, so to speak.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:59 am
… but really aren’t those two reasons enough?
I’m sure that you believe they are.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
12:00 pm
“How do you think this “hard wiring” originated? For what reason?”
A highly successful evolutionary adaptation to a world that no longer exists.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
12:02 pm
The Seniors are freaking out about the dems putting SS on the table so I told them to throw catfood on their reps.
cons are on SS so I will tell them to do the same.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
12:03 pm
notevengotthefirstBITofcommonsense — “Ok – to those who stepped forward admitting they need explanation -”
I didn’t “admit” anything. I asked for *your* explanation.
“First, a barracks full of Marines typically doesn’t need protection.”
Survey says — BZZZT!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_Tactical_Vest
“Marines go in harm’s way. We are the protection.”
Boot camp rah-rah and bulldada. I didn’t think you were serious anyway.
“Second, it was an incident that happened in a matter of seconds. Not a lot of warning to react to.”
Denied.
At around 6:20 a.m., a yellow Mercedes-Benz truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines under the 2nd Marine Division had set up its local headquarters. The truck was not the water truck they had been expecting, but a hijacked truck carrying explosives. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and drove toward the lobby of the marine headquarters. The sentries at the gate were operating under rules of engagement which made it very difficult to respond quickly to the truck. Sentries were ordered to keep their weapons at condition four (no magazine inserted and no rounds in the chamber). By the time the two sentries were able to engage, the truck was already heading towards the building’s entry way, armed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_barracks_bombing#The_bombings
“I could keep going, but really aren’t those two reasons enough?”
No. They’re not. You should keep going.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
12:04 pm
“but I think the white-guy’s hard wiring to fall back on a paternalistic brand of misogyny ”
that “hard wiring” doesn’t exist. It’s learned behavior. In humans there are really very few “hard wired” responses…in fact, I’ve read that the only fear (for instance) that a baby is born with is a fear of falling.
Aquagirl
December 20th, 2012
12:04 pm
It sounds very racist to me, but what do I know? I’m only a white man (and a registered Democrat) who thinks racism is a true sign of ignorance. The only race I recognize is the HUMAN race!
Unfortunately our society doesn’t only recognize the human race. There are proven instances where “white” names provide an advantage on a job resume, even when everything else is exactly the same.
It’s hard to hear that and not get defensive (I’m white too), but I don’t point out these things to slam anyone. I do slam people who think racism is non-existent and those black people are just lazy and need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If you fail to acknowledge the existence of racism due to your personal discomfort, or you think you’re excused by saying a couple of stock phrases about how we’re all human and I’m so cool with that, you’re part of the problem.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
December 20th, 2012
12:04 pm
Yesterday, the House speaker made a curt, 52-second public statement regarding fiscal-cliff negotiations and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.
He is getting his tail kicked. And he is stuck between compromise and the loony Tea Party crowd in his own party.
Partisay
December 20th, 2012
12:04 pm
“First, a barracks full of Marines typically doesn’t need protection. Marines go in harm’s way. We are the protection.
Easily, the dumbest post of the day….uh…make that month.
Who knew?
December 20th, 2012
12:05 pm
“Are you a white guy like me, or do I need to speak jive?”
Oh stewardess I speak jive….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:08 pm
GT
December 20th, 2012
11:48 am
I’ll be honest with you, up until a couple of weeks ago, I’d never heard of Norquist. I saw him constantly demonized on here and had to google his name to understand who he is.
Let’s face it, there are extremists on both sides of the aisle. But, since you brought religion into play. Dems supposedly saw through Rev Graham’s actions, but, had no problem at all with Obama’s relationship with Rev. “GD America” Wright.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:09 pm
…but, had no problem at all with Obama’s relationship with Rev. “GD America” Wright.
There’s your sign.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:10 pm
that “hard wiring” doesn’t exist.
There goes the next decade’s worth of excuses. Damn you, woman.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:11 pm
Kamchak, are my eyes deceiving me? Do we agree?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
DIA — Let’s face it, there are extremists on both sides of the aisle. But, since you brought religion into play. Dems supposedly saw through Rev Graham’s actions, but, had no problem at all with Obama’s relationship with Rev. “GD America” Wright.”
That’s a fair point, but consider this — which side more often makes clergy their ‘point men’ in their arguments, and which side more often invokes religious reasons or justifications for the public policies they’re trying to drive?
Frankly, I think you’d be hard-pressed to present an example of Rev. Wright being in the national eye, pressing for some sort of public policy BEFORE the news of his sermons came out during the 2008 primaries.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
Kamchak, are my eyes deceiving me?
Yes, they are.
Do we agree?
No, we do not.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 20th, 2012
12:12 pm
Sooth@11:41 am
If you haven’t been outside today, don’t. It’s really ugly out there and getting colder.
———————————————————-
Look at weather.com and check out the weather headed toward Pittsburgh (I am supposed to fly out Saturday) ought to be interesting LOL
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:14 pm
There’s your sign.
A sign that likely all he knows about Wright and his relationship with Obama is that the magic words “God”, “Damn,” and “America” appeared in order one time in a sermon in his church.
I’m really tired of trying to set foolish people straight on that, but I will say this: Downinalbany, you’re wrong on several levels, and if you were to learn something about that sermon, and that minister, and that church, that wasn’t spoon fed to you by conservative “news” outlets, you’d know as much.
Rightwing Troll
December 20th, 2012
12:19 pm
“I think Boehner should just roll over and give O’bozo and his euro-socialist cluster everything they want.
RIP USA 1776-2012″
And I think you and your ilks should stop with your lies and histrionics…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
12:21 pm
R. W. Troll — “And I think you and your ilks should stop with your lies and histrionics…”
Fishy’s all about climbing up on the cross for drama, but when he gets up there and people throw garbage and rotting vegetables at him, he gets all pizzy and bitchy because nobody appreciates his performance.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:23 pm
A sign that likely all he knows about Wright and his relationship with Obama is that the magic words “God”, “Damn,” and “America” appeared in order one time in a sermon in his church.
Abso-freakin’-lutely.
DannyX
December 20th, 2012
12:25 pm
First, a barracks full of Marines typically doesn’t need protection. Marines go in harm’s way. We are the protection.
Easily, the dumbest post of the day….uh…make that month.
——————————————
I second that nomination.
Just Saying..
December 20th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Yawn. Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan. Just the facts…”
That was AFTER Reagan raised taxes, yes? Just the facts…
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:14 pm
There’s your sign.
A sign that likely all he knows about Wright and his relationship with Obama is that the magic words “God”, “Damn,” and “America” appeared in order one time in a sermon in his church.
I’m really tired of trying to set foolish people straight on that, but I will say this: Downinalbany, you’re wrong on several levels, and if you were to learn something about that sermon, and that minister, and that church, that wasn’t spoon fed to you by conservative “news” outlets, you’d know as much.
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon. It was vile and despicable. And those three words were repeated. You can choose to believe that he said it once if you like. As it’s been pointed out to me, it’s a free country. Further, I’ve researched the “church.” Rev describes himself as “descriptive” not “devisive”…while expressing the values of “Black Liberation theology” which finds its merits in liberation in the here and now, not the “afterlife.”
Perhaps, you could give me a few pointers on choosing a liberal “news” outlet so that you don’t have to tire yourself “trying to set foolish people straight?”
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:29 pm
Down in Albany
Choose whichever “news outlet” you like, but the one that had you believing those lies about Colorado should be off the list.
just saying
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 20th, 2012
12:29 pm
DannyX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRi28W-ENY
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
12:30 pm
did Uncle samantha really post this?
CORRECT
AND THE PELOSI CONGRESS WHERE DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH CHAMBERS FROM 2007-2010 WERE THE WORST SPENDERS IN HISTORY
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Definitely need to work on mental health in this country.
Logical Dude
December 20th, 2012
12:31 pm
Jay: just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67.
Can you tell me what YOUR plan would be to reduce spending in these areas?
You cite poll after poll about people not wanting to lose any benefits, but I guess I missed where you have a solution.
Of course, both spending cuts and tax hikes are generally unpopular because ultimately, people pay more. Tax hikes *right now* of course, are more popular because people see the politicians (R) trying to protect the “millionaires” and coming out looking stupid for it.
But a full solution takes into account spending cuts in Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. If not aiming at the most obvious (yet unpopular) solutions that you list, what other options will significantly reduce spending in these areas?
GT
December 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
DownInAlbany I had to look up Rev. Wright in the same manner and I can promise he is not as impressive as either Graham or Glover, or even my local pastor. I really don’t hear O pushing the religion card not part of this stick, but for the right it is a litmus test and the one elected on the right will be controlled by these false prophets using the church as a market for their goods, like guns.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
What parts were vile and dispicable?
Seriously, dude, what was vile and dispicable?
Yo can find the whole sermon in parts on youtube right now
and show us.
We are making popcorn and opening the junior mints.
The excitment is building….
All we need is you do to your part.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon. [...] Further, I’ve researched the “church.”
And yet you claim, “up until a couple of weeks ago, I’d never heard of Norquist.”
I finds this to be unbelievable.
And when I say “unbelievable”, I don’t mean it to be somehow remarkable or noteworthy, it means that I don’t believe you.
Con...fidence?
December 20th, 2012
12:40 pm
@Ronald Reagan
December 20th, 2012
10:30 am
Speaker Boehner is a great man & will make the right decision for the WORKING class citizens! He wouldn’t leave a small group dying like President Barry H. & Hillary R. did in Benghazi!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you kidding me?
The Cons said that they did not care about the 47% and you
sound like one of the 47%.
Boehner and his boys are looking out for the 1%.
THAT LEAVES YOU OUT OF THE PICTURE.
“If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.”
Abraham Lincoln
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
bill arp: “I’m thinking the first thing that needs to be agreed upon, is what defines ‘poor’, ‘middle class’, or ‘rich’ in monetary terms…”
You can’t step out of the political and express these relations in purely monetary economic terms. That’s why a Marxist-inspired analysis is based in “political economy”, not either one or the other, which is reductive.
massachusetts refugee “this is all BS. the left is being every bit as stubborn aboot the spending cuts as the other side is aboot taxes. until both are addressed”
Not at all. They’ve already agreed to cuts in spending as a ratio of revenue (tax) increases ranging anywhere from 4-6 times.
So you can’t claim that a Democratic party that has by and large agreed to 4-6x spending cuts to revenue increases is being unreasonable.
But even beyond that, spending and revenue are not equivalent forces sitting on the two sides of the ledger, not for a national economy that has its own currency, and certainly not for one whose currency happens to be the world’s reserve currency and is borrowing at historically low interest rates.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
Down
I think it is safe to say you have a credibility gap….
Jack ®
December 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
If you pay taxes at all through W-2 earnings, you will take home less on the same amount of earnings for 2013 regardless of the decisions made in Washington. That’s called a tax hike. If you are a corprorate owner or CEO, you’re gonna pay more tax in 2013. If Obama’s dream of making inequites disappear comes true, you voted for the right man. If the inequities disappear, it will be because tax payers will pay more taxes to cover the shortfall of those that pay none. Either way you slice it, it sounds like spreading the wealth to me. But what the hell do I know? I have a business that I didn’t build.
Logical Dude
December 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Logical Dude: but I guess I missed where you have a solution.
Meaning, of course, I’m too lazy to do a search.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
Granny
You might want to start eating that popcorn before it gets cold….
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon.
I’m trying to deal with you civilly, but I find that extremely hard to believe. *I* haven’t WATCHED the entire sermon–I’ve heard a lot of it, and read a transcript of it in its entirety.
It was vile and despicable.
He was describing some vile and despicable things about our country, and what was being done in our name, that were in grotesque violation of the teachings of Jesus Christ as he understood them.
I don’t think he is correct in all of those assertions, but given the time, and the forum, I’d say — as did another well known preacher, Mike Huckabee – you should cut the man some slack.
expressing the values of “Black Liberation theology” which finds its merits in liberation in the here and now, not the “afterlife.”
What, pray tell, do you find offensive about that?
Perhaps, you could give me a few pointers on choosing a liberal “news” outlet so that you don’t have to tire yourself “trying to set foolish people straight?”
Shrug. You could start by learning something about his denomination. Look here, then here, perhaps.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
But what the hell do I know?
Not much, as evidenced by your next statement.
I have a business that I didn’t build.
And this has been debunked countless times.
The business, you did build that.
The infrastructure that allows your business to flourish, you had help with that.
Now, can you remember this, or will you continue to parrot the inanities that are spoon fed to you?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Jack — “But what the hell do I know? I have a business that I didn’t build.”
You also have a political slogan that’s just chock-full of feces.
AU Liberal in ATL
December 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
I’d trade places with ole John. Hell, he’s got it made in the shade. Free healthcare and a great salary for a part time job where he doesn’t even have to do anything. I’ll take his perks and on top of that, I’ll actually do the work.
He might lose from a political point of view, but in every other area, he wins.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
downinalbany, I messed up the second link @ 12.50–here it is:
http://www.ucc.org/
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Now, can you remember this, or will you continue to parrot the inanities that are spoon fed to you?”
I’m betting on the latter…
Tom Middleton
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
Well, John could always resign and start running for president, Jay. I mean, with the Republican Party ready to implode from pushing really dysfunctional ideas, and turning the speaker’s chair over to Eric Cantor would hasten that along, to say the very least, he might could appear as one of the sane ones and get a hairy leg up. Then all he’d have to do is find a genealogist somewhere willing to claim beyond all doubt he’s Irish!
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
I think it’s well established that I don’t care what you think!
AU Liberal in ATL
December 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Hey Jack, unless you’re sharing pillow talk with the President I doubt that you’re privy to his dreams….Moron.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
Down
I think it is safe to say you have a credibility gap….
Coming from you, I’ll wear that as a badge of honor!
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
1:00 pm
Stands, “Seriously, RB, would a “One dollar = one vote” arrangement be more to your liking, for electing officials and establishing public policy?”
Lets do a little experiment, Stands. Next election, let’s put your house on the ballot and ask people to vote if they should be given your house for free. And if over 50% say “yes” we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them. Sound fair enough since you have a house and some people don’t, right?
The question is, do you have enough confidence in people not being so greedy they would vote themselves a free house they don’t deserve or have any claim to to do it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:02 pm
I think it’s well established that I don’t care what you think!
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
“Lets do a little experiment, Stands. Next election, let’s put your house on the ballot and ask people to vote if they should be given your house for free. And if over 50% say “yes” we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them. Sound fair enough since you have a house and some people don’t, right?”
This loses in a landslide. Guaranteed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
The question is, do you have enough confidence in people not being so greedy they would vote themselves a free house they don’t deserve or have any claim to to do it?
There’s your sign.
Chris Matthews
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Man, I would not like to be Obama! He will have 8 years of the worst economy and go down as the worst Prresident in American History!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
Down
That ODS has you in a bad way…. Just because you post more hyperbole, rhetoric and lies than facts is no reason to cry because you get called out for it….
But do try some news sources besides the “obama stole the election”.com
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:06 pm
For those wanting to cut SS, you should be forced to eat cat food.
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
“There’s your sign.”
More thought provoking debate from Kammie!!! Makes you want to engage him on more important issues doesn’t it?!!!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
Down
Maybe you can wear that badge along with the gullibility badge you had on yesterday
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
1:09 pm
we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them.
is that REALLY your idea of a remotely analogous situation to voters weighing in on maintaining SS, Medicare and Medicaid as viable institutions?
Anyway, since you never answered my question I’ll take that deflecterbatory response from you as a “yes.”
john
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
we know you cry GOP bad Democrats good every day.read one bookman column and you have read them all. same crap every day.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
Down
That ODS has you in a bad way….
Not intended to be a factual statement. Oooops, guess I be accused of plagerism, now!
Carry on water-toters, carry on!
Again, all of THIS over “taxing the rich will fund the federal government for what, 8 days?” Wow!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
More thought provoking debate from Kammie!!! Makes you want to engage him on more important issues doesn’t it?!!!
(shrug)
Worked on you, didn’t it sport?
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
“same crap every day.”
Then, please, for all our sakes, don’t come back.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
Down
Maybe you can wear that badge along with the gullibility badge you had on yesterday
I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong. But, I’m sure you’ve never been wrong…
josef
December 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
GT
Sorry to be just getting back. In relation to what I posted that seems to have stuck in the wrong craw over your way. I was making reference to your swipe at Georgia, a daily occurrence from you, and allowing as to how whatever it was you were blathering about the nature of the Georgians was there at Georgia’s inception. I just drew attention to two of the most important figures present and accounted for, Abigail Minis and Mary Musgrove. I can just imagine how far you would have gotten trying to hold a conversation with these two!
I chose them because they were women whose actions in time and place would challenge your prejudices. I could have just as easily chosen Solomon Nunis and John Wesley, or James Oglethorpe and Tomochichi.
The point is that you, like so many others, go slapping a broad brush condemnation without knowing the first thing about the most basic facts of the subject. It is clear that you know little of Georgia at its inception. If you did, you’d use that as the starting point for a justifiable slap at the Georgians of today for having turned their backs, it would seem, on that legacy.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
The infrastructure that allows your business to flourish, you had help with that.
this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
I googled and got no response. Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com? Maybe I misspelled it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?”
Kam – dam these fat fingers!
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:20 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?
http://www.drudgereport.com/
I’ll have to admit, I laughed out loud!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
Regnad
1-800-JENNY
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
The gop will make sure to give our military more money than they asked for but want our Seniors to eat cat food. The dems agree.
No moral compass.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?
You said a mouthful, there! I’m not sure why I visit this blog! Comic relief, I suppose.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
“I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?”
RScooter – many of us are willing to discuss most topics. That being said, the mindless repetition of already-debunked pre-spun falseness gets tiresome. We’re fine with reality-based discussions (and even new lies can be entertaining), but once something has been shown to be false multiple times, reactions get less tolerant.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
You can watch the gop increase military spending on C- Span fiscal cons.
They vote for plan B later today.
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
I understand what you are saying but it would be boring around here if the cons didn’t come and visit.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
You said a mouthful, there! I’m not sure why I visit this blog! Comic relief, I suppose.
And we do appreciate your effort but honestly, your routine sucks.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
It’s after 1:30 and I just switch on CNN. Does anyone know if Jay’s been on yet?
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:34 pm
It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.
They’d still have the 30-year old supply-side albatross around their neck.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
Kam,
I was watching C- Span so I might have missed Jay.
They have a Harvard mental health expert on now.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
Erwin’s cat: “this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business”
Wow. That’s a serious howler, Erwin’s miaw miaw.
You don’t think that efficient transportation networks, to name one example, are an essential precondition for the average small business?
I can guarantee you major multinationals don’t have any problem seeing the value of an existing, efficient infrastructure.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
I’ll have to admit, I laughed out loud!
It’s all in the timing, innit?
Hey, anyone got a CNN linkee? Went to their website but they wanted a signin from my cable provider… the hell?
Figure it’ll be archived later today, in any case.
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days”
I’m sure there’s a Dancing With The Stars spray-tan joke in there somewhere.
Christmas is almost upon us, so I am oddly inclined to offer a non-snarky response. I’m not in the top 1% of wage earners and I never will be, but I just don’t morally believe that the other 99% of us can just take their money soley because it’s there to be taken. The rich deserve equal protection under the law just like all the rest of us.
Going over the so-called fiscal cliff will take us back to the exact income tax structure and spending levels that were in place during the Clinton presidency. If that is the only way to effect genuine deficit reduction, I’m all for it.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
“It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.”
Well, since the last decade is gone and past praying for…would you accept the next hour?
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
5 yard penalty! Piling on.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
Down
Whichever station, website or pundit that had you believing that Colorado bs would be “obamastoletheelection.com”
So you tell us which one it is.
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
Oh, almost forgot…Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all.
Amazed
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
This is all just a philisophical. The arithmetic on raising taxes on .19 percent of the people will not raise nearly enough taxes to make a difference in the revenue stream to the government. This is just a belief held by the president and others that the rich need to pay more than they are currently paying. This has nothing to do with addressing the real problem of revenue into the gov’t and reducing spending. Boehner is just trying to lead a group of individuals who do not want to be lead to a compromise for the sake of politics. Just ideological impasse on both sides. Addressing the real issues “ain’t gonna” happen anytime soon. Sad day for the rest of us.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
“would you accept the next hour?”
Sure, I will be waiting with an open mind.
Be credible cons.
USA Patriot
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
Stands – try this link; http://www.zahistation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:40 pm
bs,
Happy Holiday!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Happy Holiday!”
Are you waging war on Xmas?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business
Overplayed?
The infrastructure is exactly what Obama was talking about, but yet his words are always twisted to mean that a business owner didn’t build his business.
Acer706
December 20th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Taxing the Rich” cannot be the extent of an argument! How much of the deficit does anyone think that will reduce?
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Xmas”
I still don’t know what Xmas is…
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
Ben – appreciate your thoughtful comments.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Are you waging war on Xmas?”
No, I was being politically correct.
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
Dang Ben,You are supposed to lead in with morons,idiots,loons or kooks to get the party started!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
“I still don’t know what Xmas is”
Is your Google broken?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
Welcome
you don’t think that efficient transportation networks, to name one example, are an essential precondition for the average small business?
sure I do
I can guarantee you major multinationals don’t have any problem seeing the value of an existing, efficient infrastructure.
I see the value as well…..but to define that as gov’t help in building a flourishing business is silly. If I start a flourish telephone solicitation company, I don’t owe my success or failure to ATT. The infrastructure in place was built for the good of the community, the military, and the good of the country in general…and not always by the gov’t.
Like I said, the context is seriously over played
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
Acer,
Not just increase taxes, cutting SS is on the table too.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
Are you waging war on Xmas?
Not me! I like X’s.
guy
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do. You’d think by reading some of these posts that all must bow to obama and kiss his feet. Ain’t gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This celebration will be short lived and the same old crap from both sides will begin again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
How much of the deficit does anyone think that will reduce?
Deficit?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
guy – you didn’t read the article, did you.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
Can we go back to deficits don’t matter?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
“If I start a flourish telephone solicitation company, I don’t owe my success or failure to ATT”
but you DO owe your continued existence to it. It would be a tad hard to have telephone solicitaion company without the telephon infrastructure to suppor it.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
guy,
Are you on SS?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
1:49 pm
Xmas is a common abbreviation of the word Christmas. It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as Xtemass, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The “-mas” part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass,[1] while the “X” comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as “Christ”.[2]
There is a common misconception that the word Xmas stems from a secular attempt to remove the religious tradition from Christmas[3] by taking the “Christ” out of “Christmas”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
So Merry Effing Xmas, y’all.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:49 pm
“There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do”
Isn’t it just too bad they were outvoted by the ones who DON’T support Mr Boehner?
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Doggone/GA
“Happy Holiday!”
Are you waging war on Xmas?
……………………………………………………
I prefer happy holidays because it covers all celebrations and not
just christmas.
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
In the word of Kevin McCallister – Merry CHRISTmas ya filthy animals.
(emphasis mine)
Acer706
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Kamchak:
So, Bush was responsible for “righting the economy?”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Well, either they’re running behind the 1:30 timetable that Jay gave us, or I missed him on CNN.
Damn!
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
guy
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do. You’d think by reading some of these posts that all must bow to obama and kiss his feet. Ain’t gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This celebration will be short lived and the same old crap from both sides will begin again.
.
.
.
Based on the current polling ever growing numbers of them have already defected on an issue or two.
Keep up! Geez.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
So, Bush was responsible for “righting the economy?”
Which economy is that?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
“I prefer happy holidays because it covers all celebrations and not just christmas.”
Yes, dear…me too. I was trying to mock those who want to claim that using that phrase is disrepectful to Christ. Which is wny *I* used “Xmas” – because they claim the same dumb thing about that spelling as well.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
Kamchak: “The infrastructure is exactly what Obama was talking about, but yet his words are always twisted to mean that a business owner didn’t build his business.”
Capital spins many yarns and engages in endless distortions to keep the masses confused.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
Happy Holidays Pea!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
“In the word of Kevin McCallister – Merry CHRISTmas ya filthy animals. ”
And Merry Xmas to him, and you, you jerks.
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Isn’t it just too bad they were outvoted by the ones who DON’T support Mr Boehner?”
Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
Sounds like we are going to have a big ride over the cliff.
Then try to right the ship next year.
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
All of you crazy liberals are so cute with your holidays and xmas’s.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
“free stuff”
Stay the course.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
B. Frog — “I prefer happy holidays because it covers all celebrations and not
just christmas.”
Agreed. You can’t know what holiday someone observes this time of year just by looking at them.
Besides, isn’t it still Hanukkah right now? So Happy Hanukkah, ya, jebus-lovers.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:56 pm
“So have a merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, Kwazy Kwanzaa, a tip-top Tet, and a solemn, dignified Ramadan.” – Krusty the Klown
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:57 pm
Political Correctness at its best @ 1:56. So afraid to offend somebody….
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
1:57 pm
And a Happy New Year.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Doggone/GA
Thanks for explaining. just not used to you using sarcasm. Glad
you are though..
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff.
I love how Whiner gets “precise” by lying.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Peadawg — “All of you crazy liberals are so cute with your holidays and xmas’s.”
All of you insecure christians are no less cute with your indigant insistence on CHRISTmas.
I’ll call out JESUS CHRIST the next time I accidentally hit my thumb with a hammer. Not before.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
“Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff”
Mr. Sinkwich – I voted for him because I believe we need higher taxes (on me, included).
Repeating a lie does not make it so.
Con...fidence?
December 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
@Chris Matthews
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Man, I would not like to be Obama! He will have 8 years of the worst economy and go down as the worst Prresident in American History!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I BET YOU $10,000 that Obama will be the BEST President
in American History.
I BET YOU $10,000 that YOU VOTED FOR ROMNEY.
How did that work out for YA?
heeheeheeheeheehee
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
The infrastructure is exactly what Obama was talking about,
yes, he mentioned roads etc etc…I guess, I’m not arguing what he said, I just don’t agree with what he said it in principle…it’s a silly argument..If a company fails, do we then blame the infrastructure? Since we are crediting it for the success?
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
1:59 pm
Free Stuff
tee hee hee
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
2:01 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
1:58 pm
Oh geeze Joe’s getting started. Next will be the
and the (pointing laughing).
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:01 pm
We had to destroy the town in order to save it.
Army Officer in Viet Nam.
We have to destroy the budget and rebuild it.
Thomas Jefferson
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
2:01 pm
Peadawg
Happy Ramadan to you!
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
“Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff”
I voted for him b/c I never once knew what exactly Mitt stood for.
Devil ya know vs. the Devil ya don’t know
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
And many happy returns of the day.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
but you DO owe your continued existence to it. It would be a tad hard to have telephone solicitaion company without the telephon infrastructure to suppor it.
no doubt, I can’t be successful without it, but i’m not successful because of it
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
2:02 pm
Bless your heart Granny.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:03 pm
cnn bumped Jay because he is a lib.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:06 pm
I guess, I’m not arguing what he said, I just don’t agree with what he said it in principle
And I get that, although I don’t agree with you.
But that is not the point.
Every time the “you didn’t build that” card is played, the claim is that some business owner didn’t build his business. The infrastructure isn’t brought up at all.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:06 pm
Peadawg — “Oh geeze Joe’s getting started. Next will be the and the (pointing laughing).”
Dude, whatever holiday you observe at this time of the year, enjoy it! Don’t worry about what other people are doing or not doing, saying or not saying. S’all I’m saying.
Extend to others the same courtesy that you would like extended to you. I think you will find that people who don’t share your faith will appreciate the inclusive gesture. I know that I think better of people who express a wish for ‘happy holidays’ as opposed to those who demand that everyone say ‘merry christmas.’
That said, I don’t think you’re doing that, but I do think you could stand to loosen up a bit about the holiday.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
2:07 pm
I always thought it was kind of weird to wish people a Merry Christmas on any day that wasn’t Christmas, actually–unless I knew I wasn’t going to see that person until after Christmas.
(And then only if I knew that person actually celebrated Christmas with family/friends.)
Maybe I sound faux-naive, but I really don’t get why this dumb “say CHRISTmas NOW and REPEATEDLY or DIE, INFIDEL” business ever got any traction whatsoever.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
no doubt, I can’t be successful without it, but i’m not successful because of it
No one is saying that the infrastructure is the ONLY reason you are successful.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
Erwin’s cat
no doubt, I can’t be successful without it, but i’m not successful because of it
…………………………………………………………………………………….
your success will depend on your ability to think outside the box….
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
Peadog – it’s no sin to go out of one’s way to be polite to people (at least in MY religion).
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:08 pm
cnn bumped Jay because he is a lib.
or it’s just not a compelling model
Partisay
December 20th, 2012
2:09 pm
“Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff.
Just keep believing that. There’s a reason your side has lost 5 of the last 6 popular votes for president. And I see you follow Rush’s talking points well…..
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:09 pm
Happy birthday, Baby Jesus…and thank you for the two weeks off!
Looks like our Fearless Leader got preempted by Biden. Tant pis. I like Jay. I don’t like Biden.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:09 pm
GG — “Peadawg Happy Ramadan to you!”
Aw, GG, you’re WAY off. Ramadan’s in the summer right now. It won’t come back around to this time of year until like 2030 or so, IIRC.
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
2:10 pm
“Extend to others the same courtesy that you would like extended to you. ”
You have the saying wrong. It’s “Do unto to others BEFORE they do it to you.”
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
“Maybe I sound faux-naive, but I really don’t get why this dumb “say CHRISTmas NOW and REPEATEDLY or DIE, INFIDEL” business ever got any traction whatsoever.”
Don’t watch FOX or listen to Rush, huh?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:12 pm
“Since we are crediting it for the success?”
Except no one has done that. The infrastructure helps a businees to DO business, it is the customers who get the credit for success.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
cat,
Yeah they are running a piece on government buying guns to boost the economy.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
Peadawg — “You have the saying wrong. It’s “Do unto to others BEFORE they do it to you.”
Actually, I think the saying you’re looking for is ‘Do Unto Others, Then Split.’
Or something.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
“The infrastructure helps a businees to DO business, it is the customers who get the credit for success.”
Truedat. No customer, no success.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
If you’re going to get into a snit by however somebody phrases their Season’s Greetings…f-you and have a miserable time!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:14 pm
“no doubt, I can’t be successful without it, but i’m not successful because of it”
but it’s lack could cause you to be UNsuccessful. So, yes, if you have a successful business you are successful because you can efficiently serve your customers across the existing infrastructure.
indigo
December 20th, 2012
2:15 pm
barkin frog – 2:08
Erwin will have to get his homeschool high school diploma before thinking about any future success. Since his abilities here seem to be limited to one liners, I’d say that graduation is a long way off.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:15 pm
R. Kcin — “Don’t watch FOX or listen to Rush, huh?”
I seem to recall Bill O’Reilly raging about it a couple of years ago — then it came out that his ’store’ on the Fox website had a big, fat HAPPY HOLIDAYS banner at the top of it.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:15 pm
No one is saying that the infrastructure is the ONLY reason you are successful.
some have in certain context…not you and that’s what I mean by overplayed. If there were no infrastructure or an adequate amount, I would not or could not start the biz. Does FedEx credit Hartsfield – Jackson for it’s success? the infrastructure is a tool like a shovel. how can I credit the shovel for digging a hole, when it did so poorly at digging that hole on its own.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:16 pm
“always thought it was kind of weird to wish people a Merry Christmas on any day that wasn’t Christmas, actually–unless I knew I wasn’t going to see that person until after Christmas”
I agree…and if I know I won’t see them on the day, I usually say “HAVE a Merry Christmas” – but generally, if they say Merry Christmas to me, I say it back.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:16 pm
Biden led on the last ban on assault rifles.
Plan B is dead in the Senate.
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
December 20th, 2012
2:16 pm
Boner the water carrying tool …
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
Erwin will have to get his homeschool high school diploma before thinking about any future success. Since his abilities here seem to be limited to one liners, I’d say that graduation is a long way off
I seriously doubt you want to compare pedigree with me indigo
ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT
December 20th, 2012
2:17 pm
Boner the face of the useless GOP tards.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
The best thing to do would be for congress to go home for the holidays, and then come back next year and then see what can be worked out.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
“Truedat. No customer, no success”
And yet…you should have been here when I posted something like that, and got told I don’t know anything about running a business! And that from someone who fancied himself an expert.
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
2:18 pm
it’s a silly argument..If a company fails, do we then blame the infrastructure? Since we are crediting it for the success?
About a month or so, there were a few businesses downtown who were losing lots of business because of a bridge closure due to inspections to determine if it needed to be shut down. I’d ask them how that infrastructure impacts their business. You’re likely to find that infrastructure does play a part in the success and/or failure of a business.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
Oscar,
To save money, they should stay home for two years without pay or benefits instead of cutting SS.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
JHM
Imagine me being politically incorrect?
I shiver in my house shoes at the thought.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:20 pm
E. Cat — “I seriously doubt you want to compare pedigree with me indigo”
Indeed.
We don’t agree on a lot of things, but I have always found you to be one of the more considered and reasonable conservative-leaning posters here. What someone might call one-liners from you might more accurately be termed brevity and conciseness.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:21 pm
Happy Llamapocalypse Eve!
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:21 pm
like I said infrastructure is a tool. How I use the tool determines my success. yes someone had to build that tool but that’s where the credit stops
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
2:21 pm
Granny Godzilla: “free stuff”
When my dog chews the head off a stuffed toy and the stuffing comes out all over the place, it reminds me of this forum.
“Free stuff” is to our con friends here what that cottony stuffing is in the heads of those stuffed animals, so much stuffing for an empty head, lacking in real content.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:22 pm
If the Eric Canal had not been built, New York City would just be a little town on the Hudson.
Without the Interstate Highway System, we would not be the world leader we are now.
Without the railroads, we would all still be farmers.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
December 20th, 2012
2:22 pm
Incoming state Rep. Kyle Kacal, R-Texas:
“I’ve heard of people being killed playing ping-pong — ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns,” he added. “Flat-screen TVs are injuring more kids today than anything.”
Get Real
December 20th, 2012
2:22 pm
So Jay, are you saying that there ARE days you would like to be John Boehner?
All the talk about tax increases gets us no where with respect to the reduction in debt. Simpson-Bowles recommended a 3 to 1 ration of spending cuts to tax increases and Obama and the Democrats cannot even come to the table with 1 to 1; by the end of his 2nd term this country will be 22 trillion plus in debt….talk about going over the fiscal cliff…
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
How I use the tool determines my success
______
That’s what my dad told me when we had the talk. And my wife still reminds me.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:23 pm
“Flat-screen TVs are injuring more kids today than anything.”
Ban glat screen TV’s NOW! (Won’t bother me, I don’t own one)
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
“Free stuff” is to our con friends here what that cottony stuffing is in the heads of those stuffed animals, so much stuffing for an empty head, lacking in real content.
I wish my dog would stop that….
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:24 pm
“by the end of his 2nd term this country will be 22 trillion plus in debt….talk about going over the fiscal cliff”
And we have Congress to “thank” for that.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
“And that from someone who fancied himself an expert.”
On this blog, you’re not narrowing it down, much.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
Incoming state Rep. Kyle Kacal, R-Texas:
He feels a “forceable rape” quote coming on….
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
GG — “Imagine me being politically incorrect? I shiver in my house shoes at the thought.”
Somehow, I doubt you will incur a fatwa for it.
The way it was explained to me is that Ramadan’s tied to a moon calendar that — from a Western perspective — *slowly* backs up throughout the year, so each Western year, the holiday comes a little earlier than the year before. From what I was told, it’s roughly 10 days earlier each year.
I seem to recall that Ramadan came during the springtime back during Desert Storm. And I believe it also came this past August. So I guess it does kind of move about like that.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
2:25 pm
I have always found you to be one of the more considered and reasonable conservative-leaning posters here.
me three.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
Erwin’s cat: “like I said infrastructure is a tool. How I use the tool determines my success”
No, that’s wrong.
WHOSE capital built the roads? THAT’s the question.
Who built the US highway system?
If there is no functioning government, no functioning state, to build your roads, your chances of having “success” — in a broad range of industries — is greatly constrained, regardless of your will, your skill, and determination, etc. as a Ayn Randian self-made man.
That’s why Ayn Rand is bullsh$t, among other reasons.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:27 pm
“like I said infrastructure is a tool. How I use the tool determines my success. yes someone had to build that tool but that’s where the credit stops”
True – but somebody gave you the tool. How successful would you have been without it?
Neither argument, by itself, is that satisfying.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
2:28 pm
Have a Jolly Festivus.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:28 pm
“On this blog, you’re not narrowing it down, much.”
Well, that “expert” doesn’t post here anymore.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:28 pm
Erwin’s cat is a con kook but the cat is a lib.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
And another thing, I wish some folks who wish me a Merry Christmas would quit that thing of,
oh, I’m sorry. Happy Holidays.” Jeeeze, does it matter? Are you trying to tell me I’m not invited to Baby Jesus’ birthday party…maybe not, but it sure makes me wonder…
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:30 pm
“I have always found you to be one of the more considered and reasonable conservative-leaning posters here”
How can you not respect someone in an indeterminate state?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:31 pm
some have in certain context…
I think the problem here is what you infer, as everyone talking about this here and now has already acknowledged infrastructure as only one part of a successful business (other things needed are customers and by extension, demand.)
the infrastructure is a tool like a shovel. how can I credit the shovel for digging a hole, when it did so poorly at digging that hole on its own.
If all you want is a hole in the ground then you and the shovel get the credit.
What if you wanna lay cable or pipe?
Did you manufacture that cable/pipe or is it your intent to hook up to a sewer line/water line/existing underground electric/ cable service?
Did you build that?
Do you need a hole in the ground for agricultural purposes?
Did you make the seeds?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
I guess in my field i take offense to the “you didn’t build that” as an inventor, it’s like saying “i didn’t invent that” when the patent office says otherwise…
solidworks gets nothing, not even an honorable mention… even though I used solidworks to create the design/invention
You guys seriously don’t believe my point/analogy has some merit?
BTW thanks JHM…I don’t think I’ll be sharing risotto recipes with indigo
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
R. Kcin — “How can you not respect someone in an indeterminate state?”
It’s the ultimate in flip-flopping! He can be both for and against something IN THE SAME POLL.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
“And another thing, I wish some folks who wish me a Merry Christmas would quit that thing of,
oh, I’m sorry. Happy Holidays”
I think you could be generous and give them a pass on that one. They’re just uncomfortable saying Merry Christmas when they know THEY would be uncomfortable if people started wishing THEM a Happy Hanukkah all the time.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
Happy Baby Jesus Birthday.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:32 pm
A sidebar…have you ever looked at the map and plotted the northern ranges of Islam? It seems that once you start getting into the realms of the lands of the midnight sun, Islam fades. Why? Ramadan often falls in the summertime…
Acer706
December 20th, 2012
2:33 pm
This is Obama’s problem. Why is the spotlight on Boehner to come up with a solution to it?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:34 pm
What if you wanna lay cable or pipe?
Isn’t that what the kids used to call it?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:34 pm
“A sidebar…have you ever looked at the map and plotted the northern ranges of Islam? It seems that once you start getting into the realms of the lands of the midnight sun, Islam fades”
Desert dwellers don’t like it where it’s that cold?
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
Are you trying to tell me I’m not invited to Baby Jesus’ birthday party…maybe not, but it sure makes me wonder…
There’s a nativity “scene” made of plastic miniature people and animals across the street from my home. My dog is severely distrustful of it for some reason.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
This is Obama’s problem.
There’s your sign.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:35 pm
“This is Obama’s problem”
Nope, it isn’t. All Obama has to do is sit tight and he’ll get the taxe increase he wants. Boehner, on the other hand, will have a bunch of angry millionaires on his hands.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
This is Obama’s problem. Why is the spotlight on Boehner to come up with a solution to it?
Because it’s Boehner’s problem. Obama has approval rating and polls on his side. Boehner, not so much.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
E. Cat — “BTW thanks JHM…I don’t think I’ll be sharing risotto recipes with indigo”
My wife’s got a great one that involves about five or six different kinds of dried, minced mushrooms. She rehydrates the mushrooms and reserves the broth, then cooks the risotto and mushrooms with it. If she’s feeling industrious, she’ll venture to Whole Foods and get a variety of fresh mushrooms instead, but that complicates the broth somewhat.
The finished product is great alongside slow-roasted pork or grilled sausages in the fall or winter.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
“You guys seriously don’t believe my point/analogy has some merit?”
Speaking only for myself, I guess it never occurred to me that you WOULDN’T get the credit – and that the “infrastructure is necessary” addendum was a thought-provoking argument for the necessity of government/taxes. I didn’t take it as a slam against business owners, and honestly have trouble seeing that interpretation.
That being said, perhaps you don’t see it that way.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:36 pm
“My dog is severely distrustful of it for some reason.”
Know why? Because the “people” over there don’t blink. And a stare is highly upsetting to most dogs.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
Just watched the basketball coach of Ohio State pass the moral test.
Asking our leaders to step up and change for the children.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
DOGGONE
Why, though? If they were in Israel, they’d be getting a Happy Hannukah…Jewish Christmas, doncha know!
GT
December 20th, 2012
2:37 pm
Josef the Georgia you paint is still one started by English prisoners, broad bush or thin dropping the DNA molecularly is the same.
You can beauty well see the obliqueness of the thinking in the south, living here all your life. The artificial politeness accompanied by most hate based, insecure, dull minded and duplicitous human being on earth. It was once noted that the Eskimo is the happiest race on earth, and could you find a more foil opposite of the Eskimo than the Southerner? And if we have a weak moment of happiness I can assure you some whisky drinking, fat gutted, mulitmarried, dull witted, paranoid and ugly politician will snuff it out of our world before it can takes root.
massachusetts refugee
December 20th, 2012
2:38 pm
Merry Crimble, and a very gear year to all…
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:39 pm
Because the “people” over there don’t blink. And a stare is highly upsetting to most dogs.
He severely distrusts the plastic cows most, although the “people” warranted a low growl.
And why don’t HOA covenants that restrict you keeping your kids’ toys in the front yard exclude nativity scenes? I’m more annoyed by those than I am by someone leaving their kids’ plastic toys outside for the neighborhood to play with.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
2:40 pm
Well as the Republican’s LIE who ants to be them ?
Republican lies……….. we are for small government…. deficits don’t matter.
weetamoe
December 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
Remember when some news show person moderating a republican primary debate asked all candidates to raise their hands if they would agree to a $1.00 tax increase if it were accompanied by a $10.00 reduction in spending? A hypothetical question by a person who had no authority to offer or follow through on such an arrangement, yet the candidates were harshly criticized (even in these pages) because every one of them was too smart to play the game. Remember when Pelosi complained that republicans were not even willing to accept a rate increase on those earning over a million? When republicans agreed to accept that arrangement, she and her house cronies snickered that it had been only a ploy. It is obvious that he who *won* is waging a scorched earth campaign against conservatives and people like me are considered enemies of the state. The toadies who play the role of Judenrat obviously are enjoying the chance to humiliate the opposition, but history suggests their fun will not last.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:41 pm
“Why, though? If they were in Israel, they’d be getting a Happy Hannukah…Jewish Christmas, doncha know”
Well, they aren’t IN Israel…but even if they were, a lot of them would STILL be uncomfortable.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:42 pm
The toadies who play the role of Judenrat obviously are enjoying the chance to humiliate the opposition, but history suggests their fun will not last.
Must suck to be you.
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:43 pm
Merry Christmas to the Christians or those leaning that way.
Happy Hanukkah to the Jews or those leaning that way.
Enjoy the time off that our religions have afforded you by providing a holiday to the rest of you heathen a$$hats.
There does that cover everyone?
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
Oh and don’t EVEN get me started on that racist made up wannabe holiday “kwanza.”
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Well, they aren’t IN Israel…but even if they were, a lot of them would STILL be uncomfortable”
Maybe I dropped a stitch here – are we saying there are no Moslems in Israel?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:44 pm
Doggone — “Know why? Because the “people” over there don’t blink. And a stare is highly upsetting to most dogs.”
That makes sense to me. One of our neighbors’ Halloween decorations includes a wispy, gauzy gray ghost that hangs from a tree branch — and it has battery-operated glowing red eyes. Our little lady Chow HATED it.
She didn’t care much about the other decorations in their yard, but she growled and fussed every time she met it’s ‘gaze’ during walkies.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Must suck to be you”
I think that every time he posts. I’d want to steam-clean the inside of my skull…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:46 pm
Fred — “Enjoy the time off that our religions have afforded you by providing a holiday to the rest of you heathen a$$hats.”
“There does that cover everyone?”
I’m covered with that. “Heathen A$$hat” sounds just about right.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
Judenrat?
Godwin’s Law proven yet again.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
GT
Again, you’re wrong. At no point did Oglethorpe’s Thieves ever constitute more than a relatively small element of the colonial population. Again, your ignorance of the history of Georgia to the fore. Second, I have not lived in the South all of my life. I suppose YOU would have a problem with Southern manners. You’d have a problem with manners no matter where fate plopped you. The more opposite to the Inuit? How many of them are you on a polite basis with? You might be surprised there, too. As for the happiest society, that would today be Costa Rica. I’ve spent quite a bit of time there. And, a strange thing, the ticos have a preference for Southerners. Why? We share a common code of public behavior and politeness.
You’re just an unhappy individual with a nasty disposition…cultural origins have little to do with that. It would all be kosher enough except for reasons known only to you, you somehow seem to think that makes you superior.
Your “whisky drinking, fat gutted, mulitmarried, dull witted, paranoid and ugly politician” is certainly not confined to one region of the Blue Planet…I’ve run into them a’plenty from every corner…
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
“Maybe I dropped a stitch here – are we saying there are no Moslems in Israel?”
You dropped a stitch – go back and read the back and forth between me and Josef
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
2:48 pm
“Enjoy the time off that our religions have afforded you by providing a holiday to the rest of you heathen a$$hats.”
Will do – thanks!
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:48 pm
R. Kcin — “How can you not respect someone in an indeterminate state?”
It’s the ultimate in flip-flopping! He can be both for and against something IN THE SAME POLL.
HA…It certainly makes it harder to commit to a position
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:49 pm
Enjoy the time off that our religions have afforded you by providing a holiday to the rest of you heathen a$$hats
I’m self-employed, I hate Christmas, because I always want the extra income as we get to the end of the fiscal year. That and Publix is closed.
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:49 pm
massachusetts refugee
December 20th, 2012
2:38 pm
Merry Crimble, and a very gear year to all…
+++++++++++++++++
Merry Crimble to you too pal, enjoy the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN4Uu0OlmTg
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:50 pm
“She didn’t care much about the other decorations in their yard, but she growled and fussed every time she met it’s ‘gaze’ during walkies”
Yep! I saw a VERY interesting show on experiments on dogs and how observant they are. One of the experiments involved 2 upside down containers. The person was sitting behind them. They brought a dog in, and the person looked at the dog, then at one of the containers…several times. When they released the dog it went straight to that container.
They could get CHIMPS to do that…not even if they POINTED at the container. But the dogs got it right off.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
2:51 pm
Oglethorpe’s Thieves?
They didn’t
buildsteal that.Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:52 pm
This just in: Renowned gunbunny and total douchenozzle Wayne LaPierre to appear on Meet The Press this Sunday.
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:52 pm
Thanks. Glad I could be of help lol. I wanted to be all inclusive………
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:53 pm
“They could get CHIMPS to do that”
oops! “couldn’t”
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:53 pm
Byte ME
Aww…go out for Chinese and a movie! As Reb Tevye would say, “TRADITION!”
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
2:53 pm
Oh and don’t EVEN get me started on that racist made up wannabe holiday “kwanza.”
…the hell?
massachusetts refugee
December 20th, 2012
2:54 pm
tanks fred…
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:54 pm
ByteMe – Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:49 pm
Enjoy the time off that our religions have afforded you by providing a holiday to the rest of you heathen a$$hats
I’m self-employed, I hate Christmas, because I always want the extra income as we get to the end of the fiscal year. That and Publix is closed.
+++++++++++++++++
There is at least ONE in every crowd……..
Fine then. No soup for you. Come back 1 year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJku2nZaYw
Get Real
December 20th, 2012
2:54 pm
Doggone/GA
How do you figure that, deficit spending is the problem. Wake the F up!!The current ilk of Democrats do not know how to do anything other than spend. Again, if you believe otherwise you are in some parallel universe of candyland where everything is free and bills do not have to be paid
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:55 pm
Doggone — “Yep! I saw a VERY interesting show on experiments on dogs and how observant they are.”
We were often amazed by how quick on the uptake our Chows were. Very quiet, watchful and perceptive. If they were able to, they’d take notes.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
2:55 pm
Aww…go out for Chinese and a movie! As Reb Tevye would say, “TRADITION!”
For years, my “tradition” was to go out to Park City for the week. “Jews on skis eating Chinese”
Couldn’t do it this year… rotator cuff surgery in August… but we’re scheduled for next year!
Morality?
December 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
And you don’t want to be the Obama that will be held in the history books as the author of the 2013 big “D”.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
K’CHAK, BYTE ME
I’m looking for that Judenrat one…who, where? Oy, gevalt!
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
“I have always found you to be one of the more considered and reasonable conservative-leaning posters here.”
*blush*
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
Seriously Stands? You didn’t know kwanza was “created” by the black power movement on some faked “african” traditions? You really should read up on it.
What do you think Black people NOT living in the US think of it? What do you think 99.8% of Black people LIVING in the US think of it?
You should educate yourself on it’s “origins.”
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
2:57 pm
Doggone..I think I saw that program..or a different one in the series…where they try to determine a dogs sense on fairness…seriously (and he didn’t pay any taxes either)
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
2:58 pm
If you can stomach it, MM documents the Year in Rush.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/20/misinformer-of-the-year-rush-limbaugh/191906
I really had lost count of how many times he’d debased himself once he started doubling down on the “she is SO a slut!”
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:58 pm
Kosher Night Before Christmas
http://www.jokeindex.com/joke.asp?Joke=3871
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:58 pm
“How do you figure that, deficit spending is the problem”
Figure what? That Congress is to blame? Maybe you should learn something about how our government works…becuase you SURE seem to have missed a BIG chunk of civics class.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
2:59 pm
You didn’t know kwanza was “created” by the black power movement on some faked “african” traditions?
I’m well aware of its creation–without looking it up, I am pretty sure it was in 1967.
How is that “racist?” What the hell did it ever do to you?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
2:59 pm
F. Sinkiewicz — “*blush*”
Not you. I’ve already given my review of your drama-queen-on-the-cross act today.
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:59 pm
BYTE ME…
I like that tradition, too! Ours is a mixed marriage…We do Christmas Eve and Christmas, and then go out for Chinese and a movie on the 26th!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
2:59 pm
“We were often amazed by how quick on the uptake our Chows were. Very quiet, watchful and perceptive”
You ought to try owning sighthounds sometime. They put other types of dogs to shame. Mine will even watch hawks and other birds way up in the air. I never had another dog of ANY breed that even appeared to see them that far away.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:00 pm
“where they try to determine a dogs sense on fairness”
I didn’t see that one, but I saw one like it using rats
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
3:01 pm
1966 stands, and it is racist. What did it do to me? I don’t tolerate racism. In any form.
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:02 pm
JHM
@ 2:58
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
I’m looking for that Judenrat one…who, where? Oy, gevalt!
josef
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/12/20/man-i-would-not-like-to-be-john-boehner-these-days/?cp=4#comment-1183467
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
I didn’t see that one, but I saw one like it using rats
same program series if not the same program. Is that where the rats had a choice between saving their buddy or unlocking the food barrel?
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
Time to finish cooking. That damn USinUK has gone incommunicado and I have to make some Naan tomorrow. Anyone here Indian and can give me some advise? I also needed a good meatball recipe. For naan I’m doing this:
http://allrecipes.com/recipe/naan/
Get Real
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
Doggone…nevermind, it appears you are incapable of understanding the obvious
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
“1966 stands, and it is racist”
No, it isn’t. Just because you perceive it that way doesn’t make it so.
and it’s Kwanzaa, not Kwanza
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
3:04 pm
Fred, I just read the rest of your silly reply. You have some actual polling behind that “99.8% of Black people LIVING in the US” assertion, to back that up?
Mind you–I’m not real surprised to learn, at least according to The Root, that it appears to be in decline.
http://www.theroot.com/views/who-celebrates-kwanzaa-holiday-statistics
…but certainly a substantial percentage of people do pay some homage to it around this time of year.
How that’s “racist,” as you’ve slurred it, is still beyond me. If you’re going to throw an incredibly loaded term like that around, you’ve gotta defend it, Fred. And you haven’t.
Frankly, I’m starting to realize why Jay booted your trolling ass out of here before. What you’ve posted is inexcusable.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
“Is that where the rats had a choice between saving their buddy or unlocking the food barrel?”
that’s the one, except it wasn’t a choice “between” them…it was set up as 2 choices. They could do one, or the other, or both.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
3:05 pm
You guys seriously don’t believe my point/analogy has some merit?
No.
And before you ask, at least I replied to a question.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
3:06 pm
Doggone — “You ought to try owning sighthounds sometime. They put other types of dogs to shame. Mine will even watch hawks and other birds way up in the air. I never had another dog of ANY breed that even appeared to see them that far away.”
I don’t think Chows are renowned for their sight, but our lady Chow actually pieced together that “tree kitties” (our expression for squirrels, to distinguish them from “ground kitties”) come down in the morning and go back up in the evening. She actually *begged* to go out in the morning (or to stay out) just so she could SIT and watch them come down the oaks in our yard.
And she would stay still! Once she heard them scrabbling around, she would WATCH the squirrels closely, as if she was a scientist, studying their habits, and only if one came within about 6-8 feet of her would instinct take over (and she’d get up to chase).
We’ve got a couple of hawks living somewhere near our house, but I never saw any of our dogs take notice of them.
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:08 pm
Many moons ago I was doing a year’s teaching back home in Jackson. The Season was upon us. The environment was highly diverse. The staff came up with the “novel” idea of letting the kids do THEIR thing. We were kinda pleased. Their theme was the “Season of Lights” and they highlighted the fact that these holidays revolve around the return of increasing time of daylight. All went well until a Maori exchange student quipped, “yeah, there you go. More Northern Hemisphere cultural imperialism!”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
3:08 pm
Fred
Naan on the grill
http://www.primalgrill.com/recipe_details.asp?RecipeID=120&EpisodeID=33
guy
December 20th, 2012
3:09 pm
Let’s go over that cliff! We have been printing money thinking all this would disappear anyway. Let’s roll! At least we all will be in this together.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I don’t think Chows are renowned for their sight”
Dogs have better sight than most give them credit for, but they are FAR more depended on scent than sight. Even my Whippets check each other regular by sniffing each other, even though they live together. It is scent, not sight, that confirms their identity.
But given that, sighthounds have a much quicker reaction to things they see than other breeds. It was very interesting to have a scent oriented dog (a Welsh Springer Spaniel) along with the Whippets. Took them to a lure coursing trial once and let the Welshie chase the lure to see if he would. And he did, but as soon as it got beyond where he normall saw things, he put his nose down and tried to TRACK it!
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
3:12 pm
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:03 pm
“1966 stands, and it is racist”
No, it isn’t. Just because you perceive it that way doesn’t make it so.
and it’s Kwanzaa, not Kwanza
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Great I left an A off. Sure me. And yes it IS. It’s as racist as the former Georgia flag. I don’t care to try to convince you if you have your head so far up your ass you can’t see that. OJ was innocent, Michael Jackson WASN’T a child molester and they only went after Michael Vick because he was Black
Happy kanzaA you racist.
I
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:12 pm
K’CHAK
Missed that…was more interested in what Doggone was saying…as far as that poster is concerned, I long ago began to just skim through his/her screeds…
Thanks, though, I think…
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
3:12 pm
Doggone — “And he did, but as soon as it got beyond where he normall saw things, he put his nose down and tried to TRACK it!”
Did the lure have any kind of scent on it, or did he lose it after that?
We wanted to get our Chows involved in agility training, but the words “Chow” and “train” don’t go together so well.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:13 pm
“I don’t care to try to convince you if you have your head so far up your ass you can’t see that”
What is it about getting insulting just because someone disagress with you? And just for you information, it MIGHT be characterized as bigotted but it’s not truly racist.
And I don’t think it’s ME that has their head so far up their ass.
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:14 pm
DOGGONE
I really do enjoy reading you on dogs…I’ve learned a lot…
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:15 pm
“Did the lure have any kind of scent on it, or did he lose it after that?”
He lost it. There’s no scent. The lure is just a whilte plastic bag.
“We wanted to get our Chows involved in agility training, but the words “Chow” and “train” don’t go together so well”
You’d be surprised. It’s all in how you approach it. It’s more a matter of finding their motivation trigger than it is what most people traditionally think of as “training”
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
3:16 pm
And yes it IS. It’s as racist as the former Georgia flag.
Third chance to provide actual evidence for this ridiculous assertion, and you’ve failed.
Buh bye, Fred.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:17 pm
“I really do enjoy reading you on dogs…I’ve learned a lot…”
Thanks! And now that science is getting past that whole “animals are just instincts” baloney, we’re ALL beginning to learn a lot!
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
3:17 pm
Let’s go over that cliff!
_______
Even if we go past the new year to pass any bills, there will still be time to make some adjustments before the real pain hits. If nothing is done, we are probably looking at a resession starting next summer or fall.
But it would not be as severe as the last one.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 20th, 2012
3:18 pm
Hey y’all! Be nice…we’re all gonna die tomorrow…make points while you can…
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
3:19 pm
“we’re all gonna die tomorrow”
I don’t think everyone is. Only the ones who argue daily about who’s side is better when BOTH sides suck donkey balls.
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:19 pm
CORBIN
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
josef
December 20th, 2012
2:47 pm
_______
Can’t believe you read all that. I stopped reading after the part in the first line about English prisons. Would not waste my time on something so inaccurate and ignorant.
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
“we’re all gonna die tomorrow”
http://weather.blogs.starnewsonline.com/11385/apocalypse-forecast/
Old Goober
December 20th, 2012
3:22 pm
We wanted to get our Chows involved in agility training, but the words “Chow” and “train” don’t go together so well.
You’re tellin’ me! Mine won’t even take a leash. If you put a leash on him and try to get him to walk with you, he’ll sit right down and won’t move unless you drag him. And if the same person comes to the door every day for two years in a row, he’ll bark as though he’s seeing the person for the first time.
larry
December 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
It is offical!! Its 12/21/2012…………
In New Zealand…………..
We’re still here!!
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
DOGGONE
Did you catch that PBS one, “My Life as a Turkey?”
ByteMe - Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
We’re still here!!
I’m hearing warning sirens here….
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:23 pm
“You’re tellin’ me! Mine won’t even take a leash. If you put a leash on him and try to get him to walk with you, he’ll sit right down and won’t move unless you drag him”
Sound like he’s just a better trainer than you are!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:25 pm
“Did you catch that PBS one, “My Life as a Turkey?””
At least twice. Absolulutely fascinating!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
3:25 pm
Sound like he’s just a better trainer than you are!
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:25 pm
OSCAR
Oh, I always read GT. He’s a case study in liberal bigotry! He doesn’t speak well for our people!
Ronald Reagan
December 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
Conservatives just know whats best for common folk!
larry
December 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
Or if you’re a Rush fan…………….. I mean the real RUSH……… not the goofy commentator………..
Its 12/2112
In New Zealand…………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQEgZNqa8jE
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
DOGGONE
Watch it every chance I get. That thing about grieving over fallen trees! Amazing…
Peace
December 20th, 2012
3:27 pm
Let’s go over the cliff, holding hands if you want. That is the only way that Americans will realize our plight. Better to take the plunge at $16.5 trillion than wait until it’s $20-30 trillion. Let’s do it.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:29 pm
Josef – yep, amazing. I used to have a Dalmatian that had some mental problems…and she got where we couldn’t move anything in the house. Anything “out of place” caused to severe distress.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
3:29 pm
SONS OF CONFEDERATE VETERANS!
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 20th, 2012
3:29 pm
ByteMe – Got ilk?
December 20th, 2012
3:21 pm
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
3:32 pm
KAMSPAM!
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:34 pm
Byte Me
Well, the opera ain’t over til the fat lady sings….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSk2ccnVOao
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
3:36 pm
PEAPUPPY!
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
3:37 pm
“I used to have a Dalmatian that had some mental problems”
In my experience, dalmatians can be quite “high-strung”…
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:39 pm
BTW
Jokes aside…in that 3:34, it would behoove us all to listen to the message at the end…scroll ahead to
6 45…
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
3:40 pm
Aaaaaaaaand there’s the relapse. Bless your heart Kam.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:40 pm
“In my experience, dalmatians can be quite “high-strung”…”
What they are is energetic. Their “job” was to follow along with coaches and that meant miles and miles of traveling. That takes a lot of energy and stamina. Plus, they are self-motivated workers, which means they aren’t bred to be depending on people to tell them what to do (think Border Collies here) – and that can make them a challenge to train. It’s just not in their nature to think YOUR opinion is more importan than their own.
But gven all that, the one I had was just plain nuts. And she got so bad, we finally put her down because her life was a misery and no hope of it getting better as she got older.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
3:41 pm
” her life was a misery and no hope of it getting better as she got older.”
It can be so hard to do the right thing – you have my sympathy.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
3:42 pm
O. Goober — “You’re tellin’ me! Mine won’t even take a leash. If you put a leash on him and try to get him to walk with you, he’ll sit right down and won’t move unless you drag him. And if the same person comes to the door every day for two years in a row, he’ll bark as though he’s seeing the person for the first time.”
Well, in our experience, Chows make EXCELLENT guard dogs. They’re going to sit around your house like 75-pound housecats UNTIL someone comes to the door or makes a noise outside. Then you’re going to hear about it.
Ours never got used to my dad; when he came to visit, the female would NOT let him get up from his seat unless one of us was with him. She would sit right in front of his seat, watching him, and would growl and bare her teeth if he stood up. We’d make her sit and submit to being petted by him — that would calm her down for that visit — but each time he returned, she went back to having a showdown with him.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:47 pm
“It can be so hard to do the right thing – you have my sympathy”
thanks. It was hard, but she got where she would absolutely PANIC if she saw anyone she didn’t know…even if they were 2 blocks away. That’s no way to live.
Reality
December 20th, 2012
3:48 pm
How can anyone, and I mean ANYONE, and an ounce of sense cannot clearly see that the republicans ONLY care about the most wealthy?
Look at what Boehner is fighting for – the people making over $250,000. Is he fighting for the middle class? No.
Is he fighting for the retired people? No. In fact, he wants to take from them by cutting social security and medicare. To give to whom? The most wealthy!
If there is ANYONE with any doubt what-so-ever what today’s republican politicans care about, just look at what they are fighting for!
larry
December 20th, 2012
3:49 pm
And this discussion has gone to the dogs.
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:49 pm
Speaking of chows…I’ve told this one before, but…
In my hometown, our town stray was a chow. Nobody knew who it may have belonged to or where he came from, but everybody fed him as he was the “guardian” of the kids. He would get between the kid he felt was being threatened and whoever or whatever he had determined to be that threat. He made it quite clear he’d go down fighting to protect his charge. Let a parent come out even to to bring Johnny or Janie “into line” if Chow Chow (our name for him) didn’t agree, there he’d be…
And funny thing,,,if he decided that the parent was right and that no excess harm would befall the child, he’d move over to the side, keeping an eye out. If the parent went further than Chow Chow though necessary, he’d “get in the middle of it.”
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
“And this discussion has gone to the dogs”
Beats fighting like cats and dogs…don’t you think?
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
3:50 pm
LIBERALS ARE DELUSIONAL
they need to read what Erskine Bowles is warning about with regards to SS let alone Medicare.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997468/ns/politics/t/if-its-solvent-until-why-pick-social-security/
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
Don’t chows have a reputation for biting? like in the top five of biting dogs?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:52 pm
Josef – a good chow is a good dog. Part of the problem with them is that to some extent they’re like bears, they have inexpressive faces…so people misread them quite often. And that can get you bitten. I knew someone years ago that showed chows and she had one very nice male, but she said when she went in the ring if he wasn’t wagging his tail she might as well leave…because sooner or later he was going to try to take a piece out of the judge. And that is NOT a good thing at a dog show!
josef
December 20th, 2012
3:53 pm
DOGGONE
“thanks. It was hard, but she got where she would absolutely PANIC if she saw anyone she didn’t know…even if they were 2 blocks away. That’s no way to live.”
Does that mean we can “put down” some of the regulars here on Big Daddy’s verandah? -)
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Don’t chows have a reputation for biting? like in the top five of biting dogs”
“Top biters” can vary, depending on what list and where you are, but these are the ones most likely to giver your insurance company fits:
1.Pit Bulls & Staffordshire Terriers
2.Doberman Pinschers
3.Rottweilers
4.German Shepherds
5.Chows
6.Great Danes
7.Presa Canarios
8.Akitas
9.Alaskan Malamutes
10.Siberian Huskies
11.Wolf-hybrids
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
3:57 pm
“Does that mean we can “put down” some of the regulars here on Big Daddy’s verandah? -)”
It’s something to contemplate!
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
“The Communist Chinese government, via its state-run media front Xinhua, has called for Americans to be disarmed, arguing that the Sandy Hook school massacre demands “no delay for U.S. gun control.”
However:
““The current Chinese government, the communist People’s Republic of China, was established in a revolution led by Mao Zedong, who killed an estimated 40-70 million people with starvation, executions, and re-education camps.”
Indeed, it was Mao himself who said “political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”
Just sayin’
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
DOGGONE
Remember our exchange on the Catahoula Hog Hound? Well, looks like the battle is beginning in earnest, now! Long story as to why and how…but it also looks like I’m losing…
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
4:05 pm
“is that REALLY your idea of a remotely analogous situation to voters weighing in on maintaining SS, Medicare and Medicaid as viable institutions?”
Viable institutions? Is that what the poll was? Was the question “do you want SS, MC, and Mc to remain viable institutions?” And you only got 36% to say yes????
The analogy is about giving people the choice of keeping things as they are AT SOMEBODY ELSE’S EXPENSE, or making changes to them that may reduce your benefits. So if we give people a choice of getting a house AT YOUR EXPENSE, or continuing to pay for their own housing, tell me how that’s different. The deal ain’t all that funny when it’s your house we’re talking about is it?
Why don’t you tell us why you are any more entitled to keep your house in that scenario than any of these rich people you’re so giddy about fleecing are entitled to keep what they’ve worked for.
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
I mean the real RUSH.
Amen, larry!
Saw them a couple of years ago, for the first time, and they were everything and more that I expected. They absolutely tore the place down.
As for that fat loudmouthed pig from the Excrement in Broadcasting network, you couldn’t pay me to listen to him!
And there’s no need to worry about the end if time stand stills…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGsQ5n9Qu0A
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
liberals are so IGNORANT
that even MSNBC and CNN are having to educate them about the bad financial mess the federal government is in
how sad
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/20/left-cant-stick-heads-in-the-sand-on-entitlement-reform/?hpt=hp_t3
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41997468/ns/politics/t/if-its-solvent-until-why-pick-social-security/
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:08 pm
“Remember our exchange on the Catahoula Hog Hound? Well, looks like the battle is beginning in earnest, now! Long story as to why and how…but it also looks like I’m losing”
Yeah, I remember! I don’t know a lot about them…but any breed meant to work with hogs is going to be touch. I would recommend getting Cesar Millan’s book “How to Raise the Perfect Dog” and BEFORE the dog come into your world. Study it so you’ll start our on the right foot.
Old Goober
December 20th, 2012
4:08 pm
Well, in our experience, Chows make EXCELLENT guard dogs. They’re going to sit around your house like 75-pound housecats UNTIL someone comes to the door or makes a noise outside. Then you’re going to hear about it.
Ours never got used to my dad; when he came to visit, the female would NOT let him get up from his seat unless one of us was with him. She would sit right in front of his seat, watching him, and would growl and bare her teeth if he stood up. We’d make her sit and submit to being petted by him — that would calm her down for that visit — but each time he returned, she went back to having a showdown with him.
Yup, sounds like mine. He’s all bluff when it comes to the barking and growling. But it gets to be embarrassing when a visitor comes and he acts as though his long-delayed prey has arrived. It’s hard to persuade a stranger that the 70-lb. snarling mastiff with the wrinkled head is really harmless. Still, I sleep well at night, knowing that he will raise unholy h-e double L if anybody ever tried to come into the house uninvited.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
4:09 pm
how sad
How passive/aggressive.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
4:10 pm
Take SS off the table.
Scaring Seniors is ridiculous.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:11 pm
Jam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R56qgreCRhQ
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
4:11 pm
“Ours never got used to my dad; when he came to visit, the female would NOT let him get up from his seat unless one of us was with him. She would sit right in front of his seat, watching him, and would growl and bare her teeth if he stood up. We’d make her sit and submit to being petted by him — that would calm her down for that visit — but each time he returned, she went back to having a showdown with him.”
Even small dogs can get protective – when Grandpa came to visit, picked up the youngest and swung her around – well, his ankle bled for two days…
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNilsLf6eW4
TheDixieDove
December 20th, 2012
4:15 pm
Ode to Taxes on the Rich!
Raise taxes on the rich, Raise taxes on the rich,
Raise taxes on the rich right now!
It’s the only way to save us,
from the chains which they’ve enslaved us,
Raise taxes on the Rich Right Now!
http://thedixiedove.com/
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
Regnard
So…which of the two ankle biters got him?
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9×1_7MWq_8
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
4:19 pm
new a gal with a Toyota and a bull mastiff, she had to remove the passenger seat to take the dog for a ride. He’d sit on the floor and barely fit. You didn’t dare get too close to the car when he was in it
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
It seems that the few remaining cons posting here this afternoon still haven’t figured out that we’re not interested in what they have to say.
Y’all can just eff right off and go home early today, okay? Nobody here wants to play with you.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
4:20 pm
make that …knew a gal
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
E. Cat — “new a gal with a Toyota and a bull mastiff, she had to remove the passenger seat to take the dog for a ride. He’d sit on the floor and barely fit. You didn’t dare get too close to the car when he was in it”
Burglar alarm?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
“new a gal with a Toyota and a bull mastiff, she had to remove the passenger seat to take the dog for a ride”
I was listening to Car Talk several years about and a girl with a big wolf-hybrid called for advice on what car to get that had space for him. Seems she had moved from California to Georgia, in her little pick-up truck. She had the dog in the back, and it wasn’t until she got to Alabama that she found out he apparently rode most of the trip on the ROOF of the cab!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:22 pm
Jam: TURN IT UP!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj1HacZ4ht4
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:25 pm
K’CHAK
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjU2WDExMTU=/$(KGrHqN,!nUE63Tf6INKBPFFD,hEVw~~60_1.jpg
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:25 pm
Loughner’s Judge Makes Conservative Plea For Gun Control
Larry Alan Burns, the federal district judge in San Diego who just last month sentenced Tuscon shooter Jared Lee Loughner to seven consecutive life terms plus 140 years in federal prison, is no darling of the gun control movement.
Burns is a self-described conservative, appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush, and he agrees with the Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia vs. Heller, which held that the 2nd Amendment gives Americans the right to own guns for self-defense. He is also a gun owner.
But while sentencing Loughner in November, Burns questioned the need for high-capacity magazines like the one Loughner had in his Glock, and said he regretted how the Federal Assault Weapons Ban was allowed to lapse in 2004. On Thursday, reacting to last week’s mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., Burns publicly called for a new assault weapons ban “with some teeth this time,” in an op-ed published by The Los Angeles Times.
You can read the whole thing here:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/loughner_judge_conservative_gun_control.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
4:25 pm
Personally, I love dogs. But Mama Kitty doesn’t so that’s the end of that conversation!
Yeah getalife, let’s let the GOP screw ups “privatize” social security, shall we?
I told the nitwits that Lyin’ Ryan was gonna cost them Florida. I also told them a year ago that whatever boob they nominated would be lucky to get 200 EC votes.
Like Ace Ventura said, “Man, am I tired of always being right!”
That the trash named West, Akin, Mourdoch, Allen and Walsh got thrown out was just bonus.
I remember when that eponymous debut album came out. It took the place by storm. Pre-Neil Peart…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h59mDlBSt7o
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:28 pm
ZamVet
Don’t trust nobody that doesn’t like animals…jus sayin…
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
“Pelosi grilled for not pushing gun control as Speaker of House… “
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
4:31 pm
Hey Moma – I’ve read several of your posts on this thread and concluded you are not stupid, just bad luck when thinking.
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
4:33 pm
Proverbs 12:10
“A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.”
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:35 pm
J. Reb — “Hey Moma – I’ve read several of your posts on this thread and concluded you are not stupid, just bad luck when thinking.”
How interesting! I’ve concluded that you’re not thinking at all! (giggling)
Old Goober
December 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
Personally, I love dogs. But Mama Kitty doesn’t so that’s the end of that conversation!
My chow plays the role of Bookman for our four cats. He breaks up spats and chases the aggressor. But they trust him and lie right next to him. A year ago, a visitor observed the dog with the cats and stated that he had never seen anything like it.
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
TBs, Anthem really does show off their staggering muscial talent, huh?
jonix, no worries, I never have. It’s a BIG red flag in my book. Some of my friends took to calling me Dr. Jewlittle (LOL!) because cats and dogs that otherwise didn’t like strangers would jump up in my lap. They know the good guys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbLVytqg_yg
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:36 pm
JHM
If you knew the Johnny Reb I admire, you wouldn’t say that…and you certainly wouldn’t be giggling. Well, on second thought, you probably would.
Bob
December 20th, 2012
4:38 pm
In all seriousness……are all you Democrats mad? There is no way we can fix this mess with revenue. There just is not enough money out there that can be grabbed. Do you really not see its spending being the problem? Really?
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
My chow plays the role of Bookman for our four cats. He breaks up spats and chases the aggressor.
That’s gotta be so cool to watch!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkUKiikVt30
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Jam
First time I saw them I was 15. It was at the Omni
Will never forget it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17t4bSaMvl4
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
O. Goober — “My chow plays the role of Bookman for our four cats. He breaks up spats and chases the aggressor. But they trust him and lie right next to him. A year ago, a visitor observed the dog with the cats and stated that he had never seen anything like it.”
That sounds wonderful.
Both our Chows died last year, and my wife’s kind of dragging her feet on adopting one or more new ones. We only have puddy tats right now, so it’s good to hear that someone else has made a go of it with Chow + cats.
I don’t think it will be a problem when we’re ready to adopt, though. Our vet knew of a Chow rescue group somewhere out west, and after he called them, they were apparently ready to put a dog on a plane THAT DAY for us. So maybe if we can’t find some local Chows to rescue when we’re ready, we might go that route.
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:40 pm
Old GOOBER
Hmmm…I’d always wondered how Big Daddy could herd cats with such, well, elan…now I know. He’s a chow…
ZamVet
Yep. They know.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
4:41 pm
josef
My favorite image of that genre
http://tinyurl.com/clk2ltq
Tells a more complete story
getalife
December 20th, 2012
4:43 pm
My dog is a rescued puppy from Katrina.
Mixed breed at 120 pounds.
His name is Monster .
Paul
December 20th, 2012
4:44 pm
josef
” All went well until a Maori exchange student quipped, “yeah, there you go. More Northern Hemisphere cultural imperialism!”
(or myopism!)
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
Jam
So many great ones, but these two are probably my favorites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD7zHVWNngM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=096LhjGNNCk
You won’t get wise
With the sleep still in your eyes
No matter what your dream might be
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
K’CHAK
@ 4:41
Gotta go with you on that one!
Paul
December 20th, 2012
4:46 pm
Doggone/GA
“Seems she had moved from California to Georgia, in her little pick-up truck. She had the dog in the back, and it wasn’t until she got to Alabama that she found out he apparently rode most of the trip on the ROOF of the cab!”
Uh-oh… I’ll bet the Romney haters practiced on her -
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:47 pm
“Hmmm…I’d always wondered how Big Daddy could herd cats with such, well, elan…now I know. He’s a chow…”
Yeah, you might not say that if you had the experience *I’vd* had with chows and cats. I used to live in Macon and my neighbors chow was a maniacal cat killer. Killed a cat right outside my living room window, and did his damnedest to kill mine through the fence that was the cat pen.
Paul
December 20th, 2012
4:48 pm
“In all seriousness……are all you Democrats mad? There is no way we can fix this mess with revenue”
Actually, Bob, it’s only Republicans saying that. I know you’ve heard conservatives say that’s what Democrats think, but have you ever actually heard a prominent Democrat say that?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
“Mixed breed at 120 pounds”
I was watching one of those “Animal Cops” shows on Animal Planet and they rescued a litter of pups. They weighed maybe in the neighborhood of 12 -15 lbs each, and the rescuer estimated they were 3-4 months old. Got them back to the shelter and the Vet said they were SEVEN WEEKS old. I’ve often wondered how big they grew up to be!
pogo
December 20th, 2012
4:49 pm
So the official communist newspaper of the Chinese government, Xinhua, is now advising Obama on what he should do to further the communist cause. Number one, disarm your citizens. Seems they find a kindred spirit in Obama or they wouldn’t even bother with such drivel. And this coming from a political system whose iron fisted implementation killed millions of its own people in the “Cultural Revolution”. We better hope that the leaders of this country never asks its citizens to disarm or you can kiss your childrens future goodbye.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
“Uh-oh… I’ll bet the Romney haters practiced on her”
Well, there IS a difference between the dog choosing to do that…and not having a choice. But that story is one reason I wasn’t as horrified as others were about the “dog in the crate on the roof” story.
Tundra Dude
December 20th, 2012
4:50 pm
Don’t trust nobody that doesn’t like animals…jus sayin
Been out shopping….this thread is going to the dogs, looks like.
I resemble that remark.
I did pick up a stray pup in a box on the docks in Thailand, once. Got to Panama canal, the customs gestapo nabbed him, (dummy wouldn’t stop howling)
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
getalife — “Mixed breed at 120 pounds. His name is Monster .”
How many mailmen do you feed him?
Skip
December 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
My Shepard/Chow died almost a year ago and you have me thinking again. Thing is I’m not sure if I want another dog or if I really just want her back.
josef
December 20th, 2012
4:51 pm
PAUL
Yeah, well, there is that myopic world view thingie…
DOGGONE
I had heard they weren’t particularly cat friendly. Chow Chow wasn’t known for that…
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:52 pm
Gotta step out for a bit…too lazy to cook dinner tonight. Be back later.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
4:53 pm
Can’t leave with this one out there: Thing is I’m not sure if I want another dog or if I really just want her back.
Then don’t get one until you are SURE. That’s a heck of a burden to put on a dog, that it ISN’T your previous dog.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
Doggone/GA,
Monster was 6 weeks old but could tell he would be large by looking at his paws.
He hates thunderstorms and loud noises.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
4:54 pm
But they trust him and lie right next to him.
Reminds me of a Boxer we once had. If any people were around, he and the cat next door would make viscous noises at one another, but if they didn’t see anyone looking they’d lie down side by side. First time I saw that I went outside and sure enough, the cat leapt up and started hissing and my dog jumped up barking, but not before they both had a kind of sheepish look about themselves.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
4:57 pm
So the official communist newspaper of the Chinese government, Xinhua, is now advising Obama on what he should do to further the communist cause.
Day old breitbart spam.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
Joe,
We have a slot in the door for mail and when he hears that open, he attacks the door..
He is all bark and no bite.
Brought me a baby possum a couple of times but did not hurt it.
I would bring it outside and it would run away.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoXFVb1VVJA
josef
December 20th, 2012
5:00 pm
K’CHAK
@ 4:54
I’ve seen them do that, too…just goes to show you how much alike we and they are, eh?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
Doggone — “Then don’t get one until you are SURE. That’s a heck of a burden to put on a dog, that it ISN’T your previous dog.”
Totally agree, for any kind of animal. The new pet *won’t* be the same as the deceased pet, and it wouldn’t be fair to expect that of them.
Skip
December 20th, 2012
5:01 pm
Dogone, that’s why I don’t hang out at the rescue shelter, it’s a lifetime commitment. And she was 100 lbs of please don’t let the cats terrorize me. Maybe it was the Shep half in her but the cats were boss.
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
5:05 pm
getlife — “Brought me a baby possum a couple of times but did not hurt it. I would bring it outside and it would run away.”
Fa la la la la
La la la la
http://cuteoverload.com/2008/12/24/possum-carolers/
josef
December 20th, 2012
5:06 pm
SKIP
Put me in the get another column…it’s the best way to get over the loss in my experience. But like the others were saying, s/he won’t replace the other one…
josef
December 20th, 2012
5:09 pm
JHM
@ 5:05
-)
getalife
December 20th, 2012
5:17 pm
Joe,
Ugly creatures but we feed him and sometimes Mom and Dad show up.
Skip
December 20th, 2012
5:19 pm
Four great dogs over the last 25 years so there was always an overlap. always a dog to tell we’re so lucky to have you when one died. The wife says “If it makes the decision any easier, the day you die I’m getting another dog. And I’m sure she will, farm raised as she is.
josef
December 20th, 2012
5:20 pm
SKIP
@ 5:19
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 20th, 2012
5:22 pm
Skip
If it makes the decision any easier, the day you die I’m getting another dog.
————————————————————————-
Is that her PET name for you
josef
December 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
getalife
We used to have a pooch named Phailledeaux…had his name on the dog house!
pogo
December 20th, 2012
5:25 pm
According to one doomsday prediction by “scientists”, one of the scenarios involves dogs being bit by foxes carrying a communicable type of cancer which will then be passed on to anyone the dog comes into contact with. My God, what’s next? Will they find that listening to the New York Dolls or The Tubes (early Tubes) caused brain damage which, after 30 years, turns its listeners into slobbering old idiots who sit around wanting some kind of stimulation? Yea, they probably will. If they do I guess the only salvation for humanity is that not that many listened to these two bands. That is good for future of humanity, but bad for the individuals who truly knew good rock and roll. Does anyone remember The Tubes playing in Atlanta? The AJC printed an article about how offensive and bizarre the band was. I was fortunate enought to have been there. Long live Quay Lude (or Fee Waybill if you will)!!! I think Justin “Beaver” is the rock and roll anti-christ and that lady ga-ga is his demonic, electronic and synthesized girl counterpart who are hell bent on making todays children into blathering pop-idiots.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
5:29 pm
josef,
Great name.
Our dogs are part of the family.
Finance guy
December 20th, 2012
5:31 pm
We have a spending problem.
pogo
December 20th, 2012
5:32 pm
It’s the end of the world as we know it, and the world feels, uh, miserable.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
5:35 pm
pogo,
NASA took video of the last meteorite that missed Earth so the world will not end.
Yet.
Skip
December 20th, 2012
5:40 pm
Mayans were Libs, and they didn’t mean everybody.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
5:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDZVLiH7Ym0
booger
December 20th, 2012
5:44 pm
It’s just as well Jay. After a lifetime of being a sideline critic from behind a keyboard, being given some responsibility might be more than you could take. Better let the grownups handle this one.
Jefferson
December 20th, 2012
5:47 pm
Raise taxes and provide services, even for the selfish GOP supporters .
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
Booger — “It’s just as well Jay. After a lifetime of being a sideline critic from behind a keyboard, being given some responsibility might be more than you could take. Better let the grownups handle this one.”
Said the dude named “Booger,” who didn’t even rise to Jay’s level.
I’m out, y’all. Someone send the unibrowed trolls back to Kyle’s and get us a better class of conservative poster up in here.
Patty
December 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
Let’s hope the Mayans are correct.
Finance guy
December 20th, 2012
6:00 pm
Democrat reaction to news we have a spending problem:
Fingers in ears
Followed by:
Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:07 pm
DemocratRepublican reaction to news we havea spending problemany problem:Fingers in ears
Followed by:
Cuttaxescuttaxescuttaxescuttaxescuttaxescuttaxescuttaxes
Jay
December 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
Appreciate you thinking of me, Booger. The taping went great, and from what I can gather, CNN taped it today to insert into coverage in the next few days when the schedule allows.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:08 pm
Jay has discovered hypocrisy is rampant in politics !
Good job Jay next thing you know you will accuse Obama of wanting to spend more than the government has. Oh sorry, my bad guess I stepped on your tag line.
This is the product the modern media produces folks. Bias commentary on blatantly obvious issues.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
Reminds me of a Boxer we once had. If any people were around, he and the cat next door would make viscous noises at one another, but if they didn’t see anyone looking they’d lie down side by side. First time I saw that I went outside and sure enough, the cat leapt up and started hissing and my dog jumped up barking, but not before they both had a kind of sheepish look about themselves.
like a farside cartoon of the cows playing poker in the pasture with the lookout cow saying “car”
Skip
December 20th, 2012
6:09 pm
Got to go but thanks guys.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
like a farside cartoon of the cows playing poker in the pasture with the lookout cow saying “car”
I haven’t seen that particular cartoon, but being a big Gary Larson fan, I can imagine that.
Ol' Timer
December 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ~Voltaire
When trying to understand the rationality of Grove Norquist, the words of Gertrude Stein come to mind:
“There ain’t no answer.
There ain’t gonna be an answer.
There never has been an answer.
There’s your answer.”
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
Jay – i’ll look for it or dvr it if you get a heads up on when, ..Maybe this time you’ll convince me
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:18 pm
Looks like we go over the cliff then pass a tax cut.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/dan-burton-tax-cuts_n_2340755.html
YouLibs
December 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
Republic reaction to the news that we have a slow economy that is inching its way out of a hole problem that needs more stimulation :
We have a spending problem, we have a spending problem. Let’s start an austerity program at this precise moment so we can torpedo any hopes of the economy getting better and Obama getting credit for it.
Followed by:
Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:24 pm
http://kansas-railroad-job-insurance.com/2011/08/17/far-side-cartoon-on-cows/
KAM – i mis-remembered a little
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
We are all crazy. We should kick all the politicians out and change the constitution to restrict the media from editorializing. They should be required to print facts which they would cite with references.
After all if its in the country’s best interest to adjust the constitution in order to limit gun usage it would have to constitutional to require truth in media
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:28 pm
The economy is growing faster than expected.
The gop failed.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
D*mn, who let the dogs out?
December 20th, 2012
6:27 pm
“We are all crazy. We should kick all the politicians out and change the constitution to restrict the media from editorializing. They should be required to print facts which they would cite with references.”
Right…just as soon as we get shed of that pesky 2nd Amendment, we can take out the First..
Towncrier
December 20th, 2012
6:34 pm
From yesterday’s column on gun control:
“One of the bigger deterrents to drunk driving is the significantly increased cost of auto insurance for those convicted. Bars and liquor stores with a history of over-serving also have to worry about increased insurance costs. If you make gun owners and sellers financially liable for any damage done with their weapons, you create a market-based incentive to be responsible.
None of those steps violates the Constitution; none prevents honest citizens from obtaining firearms for personal defense, hunting and other legitimate purposes. But together, they have the potential to dramatically reduce the number of deaths caused by firearm misuse.”
It is interesting to me that hardly anyone has addressed the current “reading” of the first amendment with respect to all of these gun-enabled mass killings. I mean, there was a time when you could not grow up watching unbelievably graphic violence and sex on your television or in the movies or (now) on the Internet. Free “speech” should be just that – speech and NOT all conceivable means of expression. In my view, the way a child is reared and what he is taught has far more to do with these evil acts than the kinds of guns that are available. The first mass killing with a gun (as I recall) was in 1947 by a veteran using a pistol. He killed 9 people in all. The lesson the media and entertainment industry teaches youth is that violence is culturally acceptable. What some libertarians and liberals don’t seem to realize is that unbridled “freedom” is destructive in ways we are now seeing.
Another thing that is not really being addressed is parenting in this increasingly crazy world. There is NO guarantee that good parenting will produce nothing but good children, but I believe there is a strong correlation between the two. What I think you see in the parents of some of these killers is 1) affluence 2) permissiveness (was it Keobold’s father who didn’t think he had the right to invade the privacy of his son’s bedroom where bombs were being built?) and 3) selfishness.
This is all just a long way of saying guns are nothing but the tip of the iceberg. I think Sowell conclusively shows that there is no real correlation between the number of guns and how many killers a nation has.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
6:35 pm
“change the constitution to restrict the media from editorializin”
Funny that it’s the Constitutionally protected freedom of speech that allows you to say you think freedom of speech should be banned for someone else.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:36 pm
get – The economy is growing faster than expected.
http://money.msn.com/investing/welcome-to-the-new-recession
really?
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:39 pm
cat,
Really:
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/12/20/u-s-economy-grows-at-fastest-pace-this-year-but-gains-likely-short-lived/
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Now the gop are attacking Hagel trying to undermine the President again to stay the course on getting our President.
Pitiful.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:41 pm
I think Sowell can conclusively reveal where he gets his life-sized Ayn Rand blow-up dolls.
Beyond that I take Sowell with a Pacific Ocean dose of salt.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
getalife
Ya know, there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the not so loyal…
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:44 pm
josef,
“Unhinged”.
Write the book please.
To get attention to the book, talk about torture.
Towncrier
December 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Beyond that I take Sowell with a Pacific Ocean dose of salt.”
Hate to break it to you, Kamchak, but whatever his idiosyncrasies he 1) has vastly greater credentials than you might ever hope to have and 2) he is not always wrong and 3) he provides evidence and reasons for his positions – something certain people here do not do.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Ya know, there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the not so loyal…”
You’re kinder than me. I would have said “there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the blind-as-a-bat, stubborn-as-a-mule opposition
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:48 pm
DOGGONE
I’m trying to be nice…Big Daddy’s home…
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
JHM
>^.=^<
cat facepawlm
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
“I’m trying to be nice”
I’m trying too…I started to say “stubborn-as-a-jackass” but decided that was a bit TOO blunt.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
has vastly greater credentials than you might ever hope to have
I don’t hope to have credentials in phlogiston economics.
he is not always wrong
A broken analog clock is right twice a day. Doesn’t mean it has value.
he provides evidence and reasons for his positions
Wrong is wrong, I don’t need to know why.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
getalife
I listen to the rantings of some of those on the verandah with all that “your President” “USA RIP” and such and just shake me head…
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
josef,
Jay can give you tips on appearing on cnn to pimp the book.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:53 pm
Humm,
Interesting.
Those who would restrict the right to own a gun and those who support imposing healthcare cite the constitution.
It’s wrong to kill someone, we agree, yet it’s ok for the media to totally fabricate ( by omission) the facts of the murder
Now that’s interesting.
Wait ya ll are liberals ain’t you it’s getting hard to track this.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
” it’s ok for the media to totally fabricate ( by omission) the facts of the murder”
oily’s conspiracy theory?
Towncrier
December 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Wrong is wrong, I don’t need to know why.”
Yeah, you do. You have to have criteria by which to judge right from wrong. But thanks for reminding me why this blog is so unappealing after awhile and why I hardly ever post here anymore. This might fall on deaf ears but let me ask the part of a friend and say it anyway: grow up and get some decency. Goodnight all.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
Ok now you wouldn’t be saying the media doesn’t ” forget” to mention things would you ?
captguitarman
December 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
I think Boehner is trying hard, but in the end he may not be able to get the votes for a tax hike. And, he could lose his job for trying. One thing his efforts are yielding is that if we do a cliff dive, it may no longer be an automatic that the Pub/Cons will get all of the blame after Boehner has made a real effort to get a deal, with a tax increase for the top earners included.
And it is a shame that this meaningless political theater, which would produce no significant revenue even if Obama’s original proposal was accepted and passed, is taking the place of meaningful reforms and spending cuts, which would help. But the Dem/Libs are just not serious about cutting any spending and far more worried about being able to raise the debt ceiling without any constraints.. Obama’s primary goal here is to be able to say he kept a campaign promise – a rare thing for sure – but is it worth the risk involved in going over the cliff?
Rarely discussed is that the top earners are already lined up for a tax increase starting in 2013 regardless, with taxes on investment income, dividends, capital gains going up to fund Obamacare. Plus Obamacare taxes will start to trickle in for all taxpayers on medical devices. It will be best for all if a deal is cut. But, many on both sides are now saying that we should do the cliff dive and fight another day in 2013.
Shine
December 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
The presidents offer which caves into kooks’ demands about using a different formula for cost of living increases for ss and fed employees and retired military etc is just atax increase by a difffernt name. If you get a .4 less increase each year for ten years its the same thing as a 4% tax increase i dont care what you call it.
That is a tax increase for members of the middle class.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
getalife
But, you know what? Seriously, I wish the Imam would give some thought to writing a book about blogging and the view from the contemporary verandah. It would be interesting to see just what he considers worthy of reference from his socially malcontent herd of cats…after talking about all the different “issues,” he could close it out with an optimistic chapter on FNM…
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
Can someone post a summary of who are liberals and who are cons.
I am a con and its hard for me to argue with folks when I can’t remember their party affiliation.
About the only one I can remember is Auqagirl because she is the one who pisses me off the most, then again I may have a deep seeded crush.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
“If you get a .4 less increase each year for ten years its the same thing as a 4% tax increase i dont care what you call it.”
Curious minds would like to know: was it math or logic you failed in school?
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
josef,
I was thinking he could write the book called “Unhinged”. You are a fierce advocate for the South so you are biased. Most of the unhinged cons are from the South.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
Yeah, you do.
You don’t have the authority to define my needs.
But thanks for reminding me why this blog is so unappealing after awhile and why I hardly ever post here anymore.
Your welcome.
This might fall on deaf ears but let me ask the part of a friend and say it anyway:
You don’t have the authority to define yourself as my friend, either.
grow up and get some decency.
Yawn, passive/aggressive judgment.
Goodnight all.
Toodles.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:03 pm
I knew I would fail math therefore it was logical for me to skip class.
That makes since
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:05 pm
TC
Hadn’t seen you in awhile. Was going to ask about that over sampling you were speaking about before the election. What happened to that conspiracy?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Wait ya ll are liberals ain’t you it’s getting hard to track this.
Drunk blogging.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
We missed you too crier.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Kam
I don’t want to step out on a limb, but the election results and TCs lack of blogging seem to have gone hand in hand, but we will let have his reasons.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Getalife don’t forget that we are racist, you left that out.
By the way you may want to look at the national map that indicates a color for which way the county or district voted.
Man sure are a lot of unhinged cons in most of New York State, Michigan, Ohio, you know those traditionally southern states.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
“Hadn’t seen you in awhile. Was going to ask about that over sampling you were speaking about before the election. What happened to that conspiracy?”
They overestimated it?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
Dog @ 19:00
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
“That makes since”
Since when?
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
Yeah I know Kam,
I am trying to argue and nobody will do it.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:10 pm
“Getalife don’t forget that we are racist, you left that out.”
There is a chapter for that.
The behavior and actions from the right should be documented and made a movie.
I get half of the profits..
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:11 pm
getalife
Oh, here I feel obligated to defend the South when it’s attacked unfairly…don’t ever get me started on THAT side of who we are! Talk about unhinged…
It’s not that the South produces any more or any less of the unhinged, it’s just that it tends to produce a more spectacular lot and tends to be a bit more tolerant of them…
I’m reminded of the Flannery O’Connor comment
“Whenever I’m asked why Southern writers particularly have a penchant for writing about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
7:11 pm
“The Scale”
http://www.ignitermedia.com/mini-movies/2667/The-Christmas-Scale
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:14 pm
josef
brilliant!…i’m a reformed northerner…was there 10 been here 40
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
7:16 pm
Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
………………………………………………………………
I would not like to be John Boehner at any time.
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:17 pm
The chapters of the Big Daddy’s book on view from the verandah that I want to see are the ones on the on the kicked off the porch for good and then the ones who were just, uh, muzzled, you know, the Freds…
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:18 pm
If someone doesn’t yell at me or call me a name I am leaving.
Where is the hostile back and forth ?
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:20 pm
CAT
My favorite Southerners are the immigrant ones (not the Carpetbaggers and delusional lickspittle). Y’all can often give us a chance to see oursels as ithers see us and do it with the warmth of one who has decided to call us his/her own. The Ruths amongst us…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
josef
i hear Ruth was a babe…..
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
MAMA
I told ya…we bein nice today gettin’ ready for tomorrow…’sides, Big Daddy’s home from visitin’ that bunch of liberal hacks over to CNN…
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:23 pm
FROG
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:25 pm
Doggone
TC and td and I think a few others were talking about how the polls were oversampling Democrats, etc etc………
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:28 pm
and on Christmas.morning…don’t shake box before you open it…
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
7:29 pm
Does anyone know which time zone the end of the world is supposed to happen in tomorrow.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:31 pm
“TC and td and I think a few others were talking about how the polls were oversampling Democrats, etc etc”
Yes, that’s what I said…they overestimated the oversampling!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:32 pm
Doggon
my bad, got ya
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:33 pm
TAXI
All you need to know on one page…
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=94
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:36 pm
Mama
YELLLLLLLLLLLLLL
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:43 pm
Set your clocks for 6:11 in Atlanta…earlier if you want a cup of Guatemalan coffee beforehand…
Me? I plan on sleeping through Armageddon, too…
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:55 pm
So, what y’all having for your last meal?
Homemade beef stew, cornbread and lots and lots and lots of Baby Jesus’ Birthday chocolates…
Jm
December 20th, 2012
7:57 pm
We have a financial literacy problem in dis here country
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
8:00 pm
Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
I’m a
PepperBoehner, he’s aPepperBoehner,She’s a
PepperBoehner, we’re aPepperBoehner,Wouldn’t you like to be a
PepperBoehner, too?Jay
December 20th, 2012
8:11 pm
No vote on Boehner’s Plan B tonight; he couldn’t get the votes.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
8:13 pm
Over the cliff.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
8:19 pm
Oscar
You could be right
But there’s still a shot
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
8:21 pm
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Now the gop are attacking Hagel trying to undermine the President again to stay the course on getting our President.
Pitiful.
+++++++++++++++++++++
You know the deal Get, they are NOW committed to making Obama only a two term President…………
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
8:23 pm
Well I put off everything I was supposed to do today and farted around. I’m gonna REALLY be screwed if the world doesn’t end……..
josef
December 20th, 2012
8:26 pm
Jay
December 20th, 2012
8:11 pm
No vote on Boehner’s Plan B tonight; he couldn’t get the vote.
************************
Jeeze, Mec, it’s not as if it were the end of the world or anything….
getalife
December 20th, 2012
8:39 pm
Speaker said he does not have the votes for his plan.
Too funny.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
8:43 pm
In a statement, Boehner said that the House did not take up the measure “because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass.”
Sounds like someone might not be the speaker too much longer.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
8:45 pm
gop civil war.
I wonder if they will finally vote yes on the President’s tax plan next year.
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
8:46 pm
What we really need is a lot less discord and a lot more…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOJlNQMzVM
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well all the Republican’s crying about the stock market here will have to deal with the fact their own party is causing it top go lower.
Imagine Plan B raising taxes for MOST American’s and cutting for the rich !
Jm
December 20th, 2012
9:14 pm
Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:20 pm
Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands.
Funny stuff the country voted and it wasn’t for and about the super rich. The Republican’s want Mitt Romney running things, cause that will give the wealthy the most benefits.
Too bad the country spoke……..
Jm
December 20th, 2012
9:23 pm
Peter
Like it or not there is a republican house that has to sign off
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:25 pm
“Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands”
You’ve got to be kidding. Give up the chance to watch the GOP implode? Not likely.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:26 pm
Well I agree……. and I agree with the the info I am getting on PBS… let the house vote on the President’s plan…….if it fails then re-negotiate……….. The studies have proven giving rich folks more money does not create jobs… only makes them greedier.
paulo977
December 20th, 2012
9:27 pm
josef…”This whole stand off smacks of an entrenched orthodoxy standing its ground against the forces propelling an age of Reformation.”
_____________________________________________
Depends, of course, on whose perception it is !!!!
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jm
The republicans already have in place plan A.
they planned the tax cuts to expire and for sequestration to happen
No one has to do anything..
thuggishNews
December 20th, 2012
9:28 pm
this is too funny. gop deserve all the nonsense they have earned. 2 weeks ago mitch mcconartist filibustered his own bill.
gop = party of the stupid, for the stupid and by the stupid.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:29 pm
Info from Yahoo business page…….
One of the touted benefits of “Plan B” is that it only raises taxes for those making $1 million or more. As Eric Cantor said this morning, the plan would raise revenue “without hurting many small businesses” or taxpayers.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that the average taxpayer earning $1 million or more in cash income would see their taxes go up by an average of $72,000. A small number of those million-plus earners will see a tax cut, due to an anomaly in the Alternative Minimum Tax.
In fact, the only taxpayers who will get an overall tax cut under Plan B are those who earn between $200,000 and $1 million. People making between $200,000 and $500,000 will see an average tax cut of $301. Those making between $500,000 and $1 million will see their taxes go down by $164.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:31 pm
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters. His continued insistence is nothing more than a desire for a political trophy. The additional revenue is a drop in the bucket and won’t begin to even build a foundation on reducing the deficit. Plus, he is propsing more ridiculous spending. No wonder Repbublicans, at least those who can still find their ballls, won’t give in to him. If the W tax cuts expire, it will be little Barry’s fault. It can hang around his neck.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
9:33 pm
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters.
Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd I quit reading.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:35 pm
“Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters”
Yeah, well…when you have only 2 brain cells…low intelligence is pretty much a given. Most of us have a whole HELL of lot more than that.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:35 pm
gop = party of the stupid, for the stupid and by the stupid.
I don’t agree to the above.
GOP = party for the super Rich, for the Super Rich, for the Super Rich…..and screw the rest……
The rest of the Republican’s that are not Super Rich, are part of the screw you too …… those are the lemmings not able to see the trees for the forest. They complain about big government, but really their president created the larger government…. AKA George Bush…..
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:36 pm
If Boehner does loose speaker, his replacement will be an even bigger foe to Obama. That could mean getting hardly passed, but that might not be bad. Nothing is better than bad.
The good news for Conservatives is, it sounds like there remains enough to prevent caving to Obama.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:37 pm
No wonder Repbublicans, at least those who can still find their ballls, won’t give in to him.
That’s correct in the final analysis of this statement…. ” Deficits don’t matter “.. a true Republican mantra.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
9:38 pm
The good news for Conservatives is, it sounds like there remains enough to prevent caving to Obama.
…………………………………………
until 2014..
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:38 pm
If Boehner does loose speaker, his replacement will be an even bigger foe to Obama.
Yup here is the answer from a true Republican…… we want to run up the deficit…then bankrupt America in the true style of George Bush……
get out much?
December 20th, 2012
9:39 pm
I am guessing he didn’t have a plan C …
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:40 pm
I believe the article on Obama winning due to low intelligent voters is in TIME mag.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:41 pm
Imagine Republican’s ran a candidate who made BIG Money OUTSOURCING American jobs……..
Then called him the Job Creator………. gee they will implode soon.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:42 pm
I can’t stand it. A Moonbat stating Republicans want to run up the deficit. This place has really gone down hill.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:43 pm
“I believe the article on Obama winning due to low intelligent voters is in TIME mag”
Then maybe the GOP needs to re-evalutate what they are doing that is so attractive to low intelligence voters.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:43 pm
JohnnyReb … Please the folks that voted for Obama were the richest counties in the US and the states with the best education…… and Georgia and the Rebel South were not among them.
Educated voters voted for Obama.
thuggishNews
December 20th, 2012
9:44 pm
a low intelligence voter is someone who votes against their best interests. Like making minimum wage and voting republican. that is like committing economic seppuku
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:44 pm
If the W tax cuts expire, bubba, it will be because that’s how the Republicans set them up. To expire.
And today’s Republicans could pass tax cuts for most of us tomorrow if they wanted to.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:45 pm
Republicans want to run up the deficit………..Kind of like starting two wars and cutting taxes, because deficits don’t matter ?
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:46 pm
Well plan B would have raised taxes the most on the poor………. in true Republican fashion !
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:48 pm
“A Moonbat stating Republicans want to run up the deficit”
‘Cause Ryan’s tax plan was going to get that sucker down to zero like RIGHT NOW, right? /snarc
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:48 pm
Yeah Peter I’m surprised it didn’t pass – tax cuts for millionaires, and increases for the rest of us. Republicans love that…
Should have been a slam dunk.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:50 pm
Cherokee – you do hopefully understand that if Obama completely gets his way, there are zero tax cuts. The only thing that would change is an increase in rates on high income earners. Try to keep up if you are going to bad mouth us.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:52 pm
OK, I’m out of here. I can’t stand it. Peter, you probably are not dumb, but just have bad luck when thinking.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:53 pm
Cherokee.. the Republican “Conservatives ” are off base as usual….touting if you raise taxes on the wealthy they will not create jobs…… all funny stuff……. no evidence at all….. in fact businesses need to hire more and be more productive ……if they have a good viable product to sell.
And if the middle class is not consuming………then who do the business’s sell too ?
RAMZAD
December 20th, 2012
9:53 pm
Republicans are right where they ought to be- wedged into a little crevice between Grover Norquist and the American people.
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
Sorry Johnny, no. The Senata has already passed a bill to extend tax cuts for most of us – Obama supports it – only the House Republicans have refused to go along.
If the tax cuts for the milddle class expire, it won’t be Obama’s fault.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
Sorry……..JohnnyReb….. I was educated where education is important…..not as in say Georgia, where that is the first item cut on the budget.
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
and the Senate, too….
getalife
December 20th, 2012
9:58 pm
reb still wants to get our President.
reb is clinging to a failed ideology and a failed party.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
10:02 pm
I’m out for the night…just one final thought. It appears that the GOP Congress members are boxing themselves into a situation where…if they vote for what the President wants, they stand a very good chance of primary challenges in their next elections. And if they don’t, they stand a very good chance of losing their next election.
Sounds very much like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
10:02 pm
reb is clinging to a failed ideology and a failed party.
I am sure he has many issues with the way government work….but the over all mantra of Republican’s is spend on the defense department, be the World Police to protect Corporate America.. AND screw the American here at home with issues……even if the Republican led government created their issues.
clem
December 20th, 2012
10:03 pm
got news folks dems won presidency and controll senate, repubs need to get their ship in order. otherwise tpers will be no more
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:05 pm
John Boehner is watching his beloved GOP continue to shoot itself
in the foot with a Bushmaster loaded with a maxiclip and knows it
will become an irrelevant bad memory unless it changes and there’s
not much hope for that. Cryin Johnny and Lyin Ryan a match made
in political hell.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
10:11 pm
Well if nothing gets done……. and the tax cuts expire…. then it will be the Republican led House to blame.
So then the Republican’s will in fact be raising taxes for all !
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 20th, 2012
10:14 pm
Well, I see where the Boner has give up on his Plan B, which to my suprize ain’t something to take care of a little after-hours action.
Looks like we’re headed off of the cliff.
I usually don’t mind them taking money out of my paycheck because I know I’ll get it all back plus thousands to spare.
But now they’re saying refunds could get delayed for months if we go off of the cliff. I don’t know about you but I think they’re getting nasty now. I’m getting ready to take it real, real personal.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:16 pm
Peter is incoherently ranting
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
10:16 pm
In order to put the blame on the dems, the House will have to pass something. Otherwise, it’s the GOP House that will be at fault for not acting.
Josef
December 20th, 2012
10:17 pm
PETER
And just where DID you get that superior education? I must admit that one @ 10:02 shows quite the expertise in mutilation of the Mother tongue!
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
10:19 pm
The so-called conservatives have shot themselves and are trying to blame it on President Obama.
Supporters of these legislators, whose only purpose is to destroy the Federal government and President Obama, have gotten what they wanted, a defeat for the President.
Now, if nothing is done to stave off this calamity voted upon by both the Dems and Repubs, major problems with the economy of the WORLD will ensue.
Headlines may not have been prominent, but, these same so-called conservatives have bankrupted the US Post Office and the threat of the closure of the postal system is a possibility.
What other “surprises” have these “principled” politicians heaped on us?
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
10:23 pm
This certainly isn’t the last round of “political ploys” by either side, but the Speaker wanted these votes so the bill would be shot down in the Senate. He was then going to the American people and say we tried, but they Dems won’t help.
IT FAILED……………… On to the next PR gimick. Obama and the Dems will also have more than their share before this is settled.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:30 pm
Oscar 10:16. They already passed an extension of tax cuts for everyone
It’s a mess
If Obama doesn’t want to go over the cliff, he will need to reconsider his position
getalife
December 20th, 2012
10:32 pm
“shows quite the expertise in mutilation of the Mother tongue!
”
Hey, that is my job
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
10:34 pm
getalife
My guess is that they settle around 500K, give or take 100K, before this is done.
What is your guess?
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:34 pm
Jm
Obama can go over the cliff and then negotiate a tax cut for
under 250k and raising the debt limit to kill sequestration.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
Both,
I think we go over the cliff then our President proposes 250k .
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
Frog 10:34. Not gonna work
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
Get 10:39. Good luck with that
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
Jm
tell me why not.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:43 pm
Jm
will the GOP try to defeat a tax cut?
will the gop vote to continue sequestration cutting defense?
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
10:46 pm
Damn…. First, McConnell has to filibuster his own bill. Now, Boehner can’t even muster a vote on his. All that’s missing is that funny little music, and the GOP Congressional delegation would look like the chase scene from Benny Hill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOe_hLg7Bo
//drive-by
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
Democrats have no balls. They haven’t had any since JFK.
THAT is why they have become Republican-lites – pro-war, pro-corporations uber alles and pro-plutocracy.
And THAT is why this country has hemorrhaged 40,000,000 jobs and become a wrecked, trickle down American
dreamnightmare.God knows, we don’t need two GOPs prostituting themselves for the rich and powerful. We need real liberals, the kind who used to champion the little guy…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:48 pm
Jm
if the gop shuts down the government in 2013 the people
will shut them down in 2014.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
Frog
I doubt they will vote for a tax cut for just some people
If we go over the cliff, D’s may do well in 2 years
But the economy will suck for 2 years
It’s crazy, and entirely hung up on obama’s single minded focus on the rich
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
JamVet
the democrats of which you speak are not on the horizon, they are
all horizontal…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:57 pm
Jm
it is the republicans who are hung up on protecting the rich
from a minor increase in taxes that they once were paying.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:00 pm
But the economy will suck for 2 years
Wishful speculation
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:06 pm
“But the economy will suck for 2 years”
Take this with a grain of salt from the same blogger that claimed Romney would win FL and that Obama was holding back foreclosures…………..
His predictions and assertions as of late are amusing
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
Tbs you are full of crap
Learn to think before writing
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:17 pm
Jm
Don’t get mad and cry because you made those predictions and assertions
Looks like you would have “learned to think” before making those statements
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:19 pm
Jm
You been pouting too long. Enjoy the holidays
peace
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:23 pm
Frog
I view both sides as being equally intransigent
jconservative
December 20th, 2012
11:24 pm
Now we find out if Boehner is really a Speaker of the House. The Speaker of the House is the 2nd most powerful office holder in government. The country cannot be governed without an effective Speaker. All legislation must bear his personal stamp of approval.
On January 1, 2013 and January 2, 2013 tax rates for every taxpayer will go up and major spending cuts to major departments will go into effect. It can only be prevented by legislation passed by Congress.
And Congress is divided between Democrats in the Senate and Republicans in the House. So any solution to prevent the “fiscal cliff” will of necessity require a majority of both houses of Congress. It does not matter if the majorities are 50% Democrats and 50% Republican. It only matters that the bills pass both chambers.
Boehner’s problem is that he fears the backlash if he allows a bill to come to a vote that will secure 110 Democratic votes and 110 Republican votes.
It is past time for Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell to ride to the rescue of the Speaker and pass a Senate version of Plan B that would result in a presidential signature.
If that does not happen it really is not problem to me. Government revenue will go up, government spending will go down and the DEFICIT will be reduced. And that is what I have been fighting for for the past 31 years.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
11:26 pm
The gop refuse to vote for a tax increase but will vote next year on a tax cut.
Aser706
December 20th, 2012
11:34 pm
Getalife:
Makes perfect since when you are truthfully wanting to reduce a deficit. Not just playing politics, lazy politics at that.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:44 pm
Get
Who knows
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
11:55 pm
Enter your comments here
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
11:56 pm
Let the taxes go up and then vote for a decrease. Likely outcome.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
12:35 am
Makes perfect since when you are truthfully wanting to reduce a deficit.
Deficit?
But…but…but…Cheney said that Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.
Translation: IOKIYAR
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
6:06 am
“Now we find out if Boehner is really a Speaker of the House.”
no. he is not.
This has been another edition of simple answers for simple questions.
House Speaker John A. Boehner threw efforts to avoid the year-end “fiscal cliff” into chaos late Thursday, as he abruptly shuttered the House for the holidays after failing to win support from his fellow Republicans for a plan to let tax rates rise for millionaires.
The proposal — Boehner’s alternative to negotiating a broader package with President Obama — would have protected the vast majority of Americans from significant tax increases set to take effect next year. But because it also would have permitted tax rates to rise for about 400,000 extremely wealthy families, conservatives balked, leaving Boehner (Ohio) humiliated and his negotiating power immeasurably weakened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cliff-standoff-boehner-works-to-wrangle-votes-for-plan-b-obama-threatens-veto/2012/12/20/d37cd8c6-4aa5-11e2-9a42-d1ce6d0ed278_story.html
I mean, criminey, he even lost the support of Jennifer “clap if you believe” Rubin!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/20/boehner-plan-b-house-republicans-humiliate-their-leader/?wprss=rss_story-congress-NW3&tid=pp_widget
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
6:07 am
Mornin’.
Have I mentioned that I don’t give a happy monkey crap about our budget deficit or our debt given current circumstances, and that getting employment to respectable levels and building stuff we need should take priority?
Because we’re not going broke, and the “debt crisis” is a ruse concocted by horrible people to steal from you? (no, not some “moocher.” from you.)
It bears repeating, in any case.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
6:09 am
Also for the record, I don’t care about any plan that the House is going to concoct on its own, because it’s going to suck hard and deep, and will need to be scrapped immediately, no matter what kind of pretty words they say about it.
(No elected Democrat can say that, but the rest of us can.)
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
6:24 am
The republican end times draw nigh.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:04 am
dB – 6:09 – and all dog’s children say AMEN!!!
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:14 am
I wouldn’t want to be john boehner on any day! Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…
Tundra Dude
December 21st, 2012
7:18 am
Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…
His next job might be a janitor again….for Pope Grover…
hamiltonAZ
December 21st, 2012
7:19 am
With a full year to stop this drastic cut, it is absolutely inexcusable that Congress has failed to act, leaving Medicare patients and physicians to deal with the consequences, leaving payroll departments in a quandary, leaving middle class folk stuck with and alternative minimum tax many will struggle to come up with and it is almost treasonous that congress willfully sets us on a course for recession
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
7:22 am
“Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…”
Only the small minded are boggled
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:23 am
doggone
Lighten up francis, it’s all good
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:25 am
Will Rogers must have been thing of today when he said, ” If pro is the opposite of con, then progress is the opposite of Congress…”
—–
But what really pizzes me off is that the world didn’t end and now I have to do my Mithra shopping!
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Maybe the House GOP thought the world was going to end too…just supposing…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:25 am
The Decline and Fall of John Boehner …
(sigh) … what a lovely Cmas present.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:27 am
thing= thinking…I’m taking a prescribed medicine that is kicking my azz…
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Corbin..a little twain & merry christmas!
Fleas can be taught nearly anything that a Congressman can.
- What Is Man?
…the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes.
- Letter fragment, 1891
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Congressman is the trivialist distinction for a full grown man.
- Notebook #14, Nov. 1877 – July 1878
All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity.
- Mark Twain’s Autobiography; also in Mark Twain in Eruption
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Is it over yet.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Thanks you, news.google.com, for this:
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stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:33 am
Is it over yet.
The end of the world? Yep.
“come out of the cupboards, ye boys and girls.”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:35 am
dB – 7:31 – dammit … screencleaner, please!
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
7:36 am
“Create an email alert”
Personally, I though “Boehner pulls Bill” was funny enough to go with for a while
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:36 am
Only the small minded are boggled
hmm. my first reaction was to say “Hey, the President is a former ice-cream scooper, so…”
but I think the bit of class insensitivity was worth it for Mick’s punchline.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
Personally, I though[t] “Boehner pulls Bill” was funny enough
Come on and marry me Bill
I got the broke-Congrefs blu-uuuze…
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
Wow. I got the coolest shot of the clouds up here in north Georgia. The clouds are gray and they have red steaks across them that could pass for lava flow. Hide Republicans!
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:41 am
sfd
Well, at least the former ice cream scooper found his way through columbia, harvard, and a doctorate of juris prudence, not exactly failing upwards…
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:42 am
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:42 am
Ok. Streaks v steaks.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:44 am
Wasn’t James brown a janitor too? Maybe Boehner and quit and start a music career…
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:45 am
found his way through columbia, harvard, and a doctorate of juris prudence
no no no Mick.
The former ice cream scooper consorted with thugs and terrorists, stole his IL senate seat, and forced Jeri Ryan to testify about that sex dungeon. Then he promised us all free stuff.
That’s how he got to be President
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:52 am
“It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress”
Gale
December 21st, 2012
7:53 am
If a cut to Congressional salaries were included with the fiscal cliff, the legislators may have been more incented to produce a budget. They have been getting increases while most of the country has had wages frozen, if they had jobs.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:54 am
Gale,
Word!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
7:57 am
dB, What a disappointing memory. I checked your Jeri Ryan post to refresh my memory after flashing on, “What?! Jeri Ryan and a sex dungeon!”
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:58 am
Still boggles my small mind that I wake up in miami today and go to sleep in vegas tonite enroute to tahoe in car tomorrow. Yes, progress is very good…
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:58 am
Maybe Boehner [can] quit and start a music career…
I was going to propose that he form a band called “orangeman,” but decided to google the term to make sure someone else didn’t already HAVE that band name.
and I came upon this, pasted for your dining and dancing pleasure:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=orangeman
Orangemen remember the battle of the boyne, fought in 1690. They have marched on the 12th of July for many hundreds of years commemorating the victory of William of Orange, a protestant Dutch prince, over the catholic, Scottish King James.
The only time in recent memory they did not march was during the two World Wars. The reason for this was because they didn’t want the Brits to see that they were all hiding in their houses and to afraid to go to war and fight for their country. Unlike the catholics who signed up in large numbers to fight the Germans.
“See that useless pile of sh#te shaking in his boots, that’s a typical orangeman.”
[...]
inbred bigoted fat bowler hat wearing protestant b#stards who beat their wives and children. these c##ts claim to be ‘holy’ and ‘pious’ when truly they are no better than the KKK. these inbreds also love to insult and annoy the good catholic people in the occupied six counties of the north of ireland with their annual marching through catholic areas. they cling to a distant memory of the battle of the boyne where the protestant william of orange defeated the good catholic king james in 1690. grow up lads
Cherokee
December 21st, 2012
8:02 am
fascinating, stands. The Irish are obviously much better at insults than anyone I know… LOL
DownInAlbany
December 21st, 2012
8:02 am
The dems and the reps are BOTH playing games and we are being played for fools.
Meanwhile, in the real world, I’m getting emails from my payroll vendor that they may not be able to process our first payroll of the new year because of all this…
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
8:04 am
“Orangemen remember the battle of the boyne, fought in 1690″
How old ARE they?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:06 am
“forced Jeri Ryan to testify about that sex dungeon. Then he promised us all free stuff.”
when, really, he should have combined the two … landslide. s’all I’m sayin …
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
8:08 am
Speaking of “orangement” – I think the term “blackguard” comes from the same era.
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:10 am
The orangeman are down here this week to host nick satan and the fighting irish…should be a grand ole time at the orange bowl…
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
8:10 am
Boehner would not make it in music given that another has already taken his trademark move.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:14 am
One does have to wonder if Jeri has an open invite to the White House. It would be the least Michelle and Barack could do. The certainly never could have called the place “home” (well, not starting in 2009, anyway) had it not been for her.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:15 am
dB – resistance is futile!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:16 am
Would anyone resist that Borg?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
8:17 am
Everybody see Luckovich yet?
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2012/12/20/122112-luckovich-cartoon-mayan-prophecy/
Paul
December 21st, 2012
8:17 am
Mayans got it right. Just the translation wasn’t finished. Today is the end of the world – for House Republicans.
They just don’t know it yet.
Hey Mick! Travel safe and have a real good time!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:19 am
How is the weather looking in London for Christmas, USinUK?
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:20 am
paul
Thanks…might see plano in march, we’ll see..you and the family have a great xmas and a prosperous new year!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:27 am
Gale – today, it’s beautiful and clear, but I think we’re expecting a wet Christmas rather than a white one
we’ve already had epic flooding and it doesn’t look like it’s going to let up
RF
December 21st, 2012
8:27 am
“no matter what kind of pretty words they say about it.”
Evidently the words weren’t too kind. I guess Boehner’s wimpy plan to try to put this on the Senate Dems and the WH blew up in his face. He’s played to the hard-right for the past two years and now can’t even get his caucus to agree on what would have easily passed just a few month ago…not even with Pope Grover’s blessing. He’s toast and I won’t be surprised at all to see Eric Cantor finish the back-stabbing and stand on Boehner’s political corpse to try for the Speaker post. Problem is, the TP caucus can’t run the show any more, and nobody knows what to do with them.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
8:29 am
UAinUK? You ever check email?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:30 am
“and nobody knows what to do with them.”
oh!! oh!!! I have some ideas!!! pick me!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:31 am
Hi Fred – I’ve been a bit sporadic the last couple of weeks … will dive in now
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
8:32 am
Uncompromising Republicans object to their own reflections. I love a fresh cup of irony in the morning.
Paul
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Mick – thanks! Something to look forward to in 2013!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Mick, if this makes any hassles you encounter getting there more tolerable–I’m fairly sick with jealousy over your Tahoe trek. (ahh, to be on XC skis over the holidays… but, not gonna happen this year.)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Fred – 8:29 – I replied to your first e-mail … did you not receive my reply???
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:35 am
How easy would it have been to just give obama his due…he won the election by 4 million votes! But nooooooooo, we have republicans who are out of touch and shackled by their own monsters – the failed minority of a minority iced tea party! What a dour, sour, group if there ever was one…
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
8:41 am
USinUK; Did you not get an email titled “Naan of Your Business” Asking about your Naan recipe and for a meatball (not moraccan lol) recipe?
emo
December 21st, 2012
8:41 am
Doesn’t Boehner realize “Plan B” means something totally different now? How do I ever get that image out of my mind?
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:42 am
Eric Cantor finish the back-stabbing and stand on Boehner’s political corpse
“When I was talking about ’shared sacrifice for everybody’, John, mostly I meant YOU. Sorry I didn’t clear that up earlier.”
RF
December 21st, 2012
8:44 am
“oh!! oh!!! I have some ideas!!! pick me!!!”
Me too, but I suspect their power-drunken binge is about to end…in the next ten to 15 days, to be exact. I think it will be ever so much fun to watch them when they have to eat crow and vote for a tax increase in January.
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:44 am
I still say that if Congress cannot perform one of its primary duties, passing a budget, they should all have their salaries cut. Where else does the employee get to set his own salary, regardless of performance?
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:45 am
sfd
I’ve leveraged every damn award points possible on this trip, so it’s pretty much a freebie, the main goal is to check out some property outside of reno but I will have some opportunity to hit the slopes…
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:46 am
Naan recipe? I would like to try that over the holiday. I am so grateful for the Indian community bringing such yummy food to Atlanta.
RF
December 21st, 2012
8:46 am
“Sorry I didn’t clear that up earlier.”
I’ve said for the last two years that Eric is the Brutus to John’s Caesar. He’s just itching for the old orange one to finally bleed out and fall. I think Boehner knows it too.
Paul
December 21st, 2012
8:48 am
emo
I think Boehner saw this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space
And got confused.
Maybe he’ll get the Turkey Award for “Worst Performance in The Worst Caucus Evah” category?
DownInAlbany
December 21st, 2012
8:48 am
Sorry to rain on the Boehner hating parade, but, it’s this process sort of working like it was designed to work? You know that old, House and Senate thing?
A famous (though perhaps fictional) simile often quoted to point out the differences between the House and Senate involves an argument between George Washington, who favored having two chambers of Congress and Thomas Jefferson, who believed a second chamber to be unnecessary. The story goes that the two Founders were arguing the issue while drinking coffee. Suddenly, Washington asked Jefferson, “Why did you pour that coffee into your saucer?” “To cool it,” replied Jefferson. “Even so,” said Washington, “we pour legislation into the senatorial saucer to cool it.”
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
8:50 am
Gale? Have you ever checked out USinUK’s cooking blog? She has a lot of Indian stuff that they brought to the UK. Her curried tomato soup is awesome. If you click the link below the first recipe is for spiced scones. My daughter is having 4 other little girls over tonight for a spend the night and she wants me to make them scones. Also 2 of them are Indian so I thought I might try to make some Naan. (LOL 3 of the 4 are vegetarians).
http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:50 am
Doesn’t Boehner realize “Plan B” means something totally different now?
The Speaker AND me.
I don’t know how I could have missed that delightfully apt analogy, but thanks.
and to get a jump on FNM, here’s yet another Plan B, for all the Celtic Soul Brothers out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYvQWG3nhKw
hamiltonAZ
December 21st, 2012
8:50 am
The board showing little to no interest in discussing what is not an insignificant event that will most likely cause many job losses and otherwise return us to recession (all for the good of the party) I’ll take leave with this quote from Paul Krugman. “If we’re going to get a grip on our nation’s problems — of which the budget deficit is a minor part — the power of the G.O.P.’s extremists, and their willingness to hold the economy hostage if they don’t get their way, needs to be broken.”
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
8:53 am
Welcome LATE tothe party hamilton. After the first 800 comments or so, we pretty much said all we have to say and don’t feel like repeating it just because YOU decided to join now.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:53 am
Fred – (and Gale) – no! I didn’t see that email … can you resend??
I have the BEST fruitcake recipe that I’m going to post later today … it uses apples and calvados … nomnomnom
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:53 am
Thanks Fred and USinUK. I will email the link home. I always look at this at work and forget about when I get home.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 21st, 2012
8:55 am
jay and the liberals are really IGNORANT if they think THEIR proposals on guns will work
check out NORWAY
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/24/norway-strict-gun-laws-circumvented
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2012
8:59 am
Where is the conned outrage that Boehner and the Republicans are leaving Washington so they can go play golf and their tans during this crisis?
It could not be that its only if the President leaves DC, could it?
hamiltonAZ
December 21st, 2012
9:01 am
In the spirit of the season, Fred. Peace to you. Gladly I admit you are right.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:01 am
Uncle Sam –
yes … the hundreds of shootings that happen every year in Norway …
oh.
wait.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:03 am
Gale: Kamchak also linked a recipe for Naan on the grill. I bookmarked it but can’t find it lol. If you scroll back through this blog though you can find it. I think it was page 5……..
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:05 am
Did you get that one UinU?
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
9:10 am
This is what sheer, blithering, off-the-rails madness looks like.
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/proposals-would-lift-restrictions-on-carrying-guns/nTcFF/
An incoming freshman House Republican from Kennesaw has become the first since the Connecticut shootings to propose an expansion of gun rights in Georgia.
State Rep.-elect Charles Gregory, who campaigned heavily on the Second Amendment and limited government power, filed four gun bills this week at the Capitol that would sweep away any restrictions on carrying firearms in Georgia — including on college campuses and in churches.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:13 am
Welcome: I saw that yesterday. I thought his timing was perfect. It is a perfect example of how stupid and out of touch the Republicans are. Wouldn’t you agree?
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2012
9:14 am
Uncle Samantha: jay and the liberals are really IGNORANT if they think THEIR proposals on guns will work / check out NORWAY”
So the simple fact that one person one time was able to circumvent a law negates the law?
No words to describe how unbelievably, colossally stupid that is.
What a near hopelessly depraved nation this is.
UNCLE SAMANTHA
December 21st, 2012
9:14 am
racist liberals letting innocent african americans die from gun violence in chicago
shame
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/emanuel-mccarthy-sabina-124439094.html
Joe Hussein Mama
December 21st, 2012
9:17 am
Towncrier — “Yeah, you do. You have to have criteria by which to judge right from wrong.”
You also need to have actual *evidence,* not just blanket statements like this one you made on the previous page:
The lesson the media and entertainment industry teaches youth is that violence is culturally acceptable.
Since, as you claim, conservatives have evidence to bolster their claims, let’s see you present your evidence for this one.
“But thanks for reminding me why this blog is so unappealing after awhile and why I hardly ever post here anymore.”
You hardly ever post here any more because most of the regulars have long since seen through your double standards, your unsupported claims and your insistence on telling other posters what they meant, even when they tell you to your face that they were trying to say something completely different from what you’re trying to shove in their mouths. And “most of the regulars” includes Jay, who’s called you out several times on your antics.
“This might fall on deaf ears but let me ask the part of a friend and say it anyway: grow up and get some decency.”
Why don’t you lead the way and show us how it’s done, Resident Expert?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
9:20 am
Fred – got it and answered
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
9:21 am
sheets
RF
December 21st, 2012
9:21 am
“racist liberals letting innocent african americans die from gun violence in chicago
shame”
Careful there Samantha, all you’re doing is adding fuel to the gun control fire. Innocents dying from gun violence doesn’t automatically get the “see we just need more guns” response on this blog.