Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
John Boehner is not acting like a confident man.
Yesterday, the House speaker made a curt, 52-second public statement regarding fiscal-cliff negotiations and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.
Later in the day, the AJC’s Daniel Malloy saw Boehner in a heated discussion with a handful of Georgia Republicans on the House floor. Asked about it later, they told Malloy that Boehner was pleading with them to support his so-called Plan B, which would raise taxes only on those with annual incomes of more than $1 million. At best, they seem unconvinced.
The speaker’s proposal — floated as a way to demonstrate that House Republicans are “serious” about deficit reduction — is scheduled to be voted on today. There’s a chance that it will go down to defeat if enough of Boehner’s fellow Republicans refuse to support it on grounds that it raises taxes, if only on the top 0.19 percent of earners.
It’s also interesting to note that Pope Grover I of Norquist has issued an papal bull decreeing that Plan B is somehow NOT a tax hike, and thus will not be interpreted as violating the no-tax-hikes-ever pledge that so many Republicans have signed. That says a lot about the hypocrisy involved, and about Norquist’s continuing power over party members. They may be elected by the people of their district, but they are answerable first to Pope Grover. They have to wait for him to tell them, like some pope ruling on a theological dispute, whether they have permission to cast a vote one way or the other.
Here’s the angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin rationale released by Norquist through his front group, Americans for Tax Reform, explaining how a bill that raises taxes is not really a tax hike:
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“ATR has consistently maintained that individual members of Congress make a pledge to their constituents to oppose and vote against tax increases. The House this week will vote on a tax bill. This legislation — popularly known as “Plan B” — permanently prevents a tax increase on families making less than $1 million per year. Republicans supporting this bill are this week affirming to their constituents in writing that this bill — the sole purpose of which is to prevent tax increases — is consistent with the pledge they made to them. In ATR’s analysis, it is extremely difficult — if not impossible — to fault these Republicans’ assertion.
In particular, in this Congress the House has already voted twice to prevent any tax increases on any American. When viewed with this in mind, and considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them — matters become more clear. Having finally seen actual legislation in writing, ATR is now able to make its determination about a legislative proposal related to the fiscal cliff. ATR will not consider a vote for this measure a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.”
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The statement is a clear lie, because as even Boehner has said, Plan B does raise taxes. Also note the claim that politicians made the no-tax pledge not to Norquist, but to their constituents. Pope Grover trotted out that same logic recently in his dispute with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, claiming that “If (Chambliss) plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government, he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them. The senator’s reference to me is odd. His promise is to the people of Georgia.”
Yet it is Norquist, not the people of Georgia, or Alabama, or North Dakota, who claims the power to define a clear tax hike as not a tax hike at all.
As a further sign of trouble, late last night Boehner and his allies tried to sweeten Plan B by adding spending cuts to the measure, including cuts that would gut ObamaCare. That may help the speaker through this most immediate crisis, but he also knows that when the time comes to recruit GOP votes for a final, negotiated package to avert the fiscal cliff, that package will not include cuts to ObamaCare.
A second GOP bill, also added to the day’s calendar to make Plan B easier to swallow, would end all defense cuts scheduled to take place under sequestration and replace them with still more cuts to social programs. That way, 100 percent of the cuts would come from entitlements and other programs, while defense spending is untouched.
The bottom line remains the same: House Republicans are badly out of step with the American people.
In another in a long string of such polls, a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week reported that 74 percent of Americans find tax hikes on those making $250,000 or more “acceptable.” Even 51 percent of Republicans find that acceptable. And 76 percent of Americans said House Republicans are not willing to compromise enough.
Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. The area that draws the most support for cutbacks (defense, at 42 percent; 48 percent among independents) is the only area in which Republicans refuse to even consider cuts.
That does not mean that cuts should not be made, in defense as well as social programs. Our fiscal problems cannot be corrected through tax hikes alone, nor through spending cuts alone. It has to be both. And by Boehner’s own admission, President Obama has proposed some $850 billion in spending cuts (the administration says the total is closer to $1.2 trillion once you throw in lower interest payments.)
Overall, those polling numbers tell us that Boehner has very little backing among the American people for the policies that his own caucus is insisting that he pursue to the bitter end. He knows that, and he’s trying to get that point across to his caucus. But in too many cases, he is preaching practicality to people to whom appeals to practicality smack of early-onset RINOism, an often fatal disease in that group.
– Jay Bookman
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Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
Sorry Johnny, no. The Senata has already passed a bill to extend tax cuts for most of us – Obama supports it – only the House Republicans have refused to go along.
If the tax cuts for the milddle class expire, it won’t be Obama’s fault.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
Sorry……..JohnnyReb….. I was educated where education is important…..not as in say Georgia, where that is the first item cut on the budget.
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:54 pm
and the Senate, too….
getalife
December 20th, 2012
9:58 pm
reb still wants to get our President.
reb is clinging to a failed ideology and a failed party.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
10:02 pm
I’m out for the night…just one final thought. It appears that the GOP Congress members are boxing themselves into a situation where…if they vote for what the President wants, they stand a very good chance of primary challenges in their next elections. And if they don’t, they stand a very good chance of losing their next election.
Sounds very much like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
10:02 pm
reb is clinging to a failed ideology and a failed party.
I am sure he has many issues with the way government work….but the over all mantra of Republican’s is spend on the defense department, be the World Police to protect Corporate America.. AND screw the American here at home with issues……even if the Republican led government created their issues.
clem
December 20th, 2012
10:03 pm
got news folks dems won presidency and controll senate, repubs need to get their ship in order. otherwise tpers will be no more
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:05 pm
John Boehner is watching his beloved GOP continue to shoot itself
in the foot with a Bushmaster loaded with a maxiclip and knows it
will become an irrelevant bad memory unless it changes and there’s
not much hope for that. Cryin Johnny and Lyin Ryan a match made
in political hell.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
10:11 pm
Well if nothing gets done……. and the tax cuts expire…. then it will be the Republican led House to blame.
So then the Republican’s will in fact be raising taxes for all !
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 20th, 2012
10:14 pm
Well, I see where the Boner has give up on his Plan B, which to my suprize ain’t something to take care of a little after-hours action.
Looks like we’re headed off of the cliff.
I usually don’t mind them taking money out of my paycheck because I know I’ll get it all back plus thousands to spare.
But now they’re saying refunds could get delayed for months if we go off of the cliff. I don’t know about you but I think they’re getting nasty now. I’m getting ready to take it real, real personal.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:16 pm
Peter is incoherently ranting
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
10:16 pm
In order to put the blame on the dems, the House will have to pass something. Otherwise, it’s the GOP House that will be at fault for not acting.
Josef
December 20th, 2012
10:17 pm
PETER
And just where DID you get that superior education? I must admit that one @ 10:02 shows quite the expertise in mutilation of the Mother tongue!
Jackie
December 20th, 2012
10:19 pm
The so-called conservatives have shot themselves and are trying to blame it on President Obama.
Supporters of these legislators, whose only purpose is to destroy the Federal government and President Obama, have gotten what they wanted, a defeat for the President.
Now, if nothing is done to stave off this calamity voted upon by both the Dems and Repubs, major problems with the economy of the WORLD will ensue.
Headlines may not have been prominent, but, these same so-called conservatives have bankrupted the US Post Office and the threat of the closure of the postal system is a possibility.
What other “surprises” have these “principled” politicians heaped on us?
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
10:23 pm
This certainly isn’t the last round of “political ploys” by either side, but the Speaker wanted these votes so the bill would be shot down in the Senate. He was then going to the American people and say we tried, but they Dems won’t help.
IT FAILED……………… On to the next PR gimick. Obama and the Dems will also have more than their share before this is settled.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:30 pm
Oscar 10:16. They already passed an extension of tax cuts for everyone
It’s a mess
If Obama doesn’t want to go over the cliff, he will need to reconsider his position
getalife
December 20th, 2012
10:32 pm
“shows quite the expertise in mutilation of the Mother tongue!
”
Hey, that is my job
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
10:34 pm
getalife
My guess is that they settle around 500K, give or take 100K, before this is done.
What is your guess?
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:34 pm
Jm
Obama can go over the cliff and then negotiate a tax cut for
under 250k and raising the debt limit to kill sequestration.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
10:39 pm
Both,
I think we go over the cliff then our President proposes 250k .
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:40 pm
Frog 10:34. Not gonna work
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
Get 10:39. Good luck with that
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:41 pm
Jm
tell me why not.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:43 pm
Jm
will the GOP try to defeat a tax cut?
will the gop vote to continue sequestration cutting defense?
Brosephus™
December 20th, 2012
10:46 pm
Damn…. First, McConnell has to filibuster his own bill. Now, Boehner can’t even muster a vote on his. All that’s missing is that funny little music, and the GOP Congressional delegation would look like the chase scene from Benny Hill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOe_hLg7Bo
//drive-by
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
Democrats have no balls. They haven’t had any since JFK.
THAT is why they have become Republican-lites – pro-war, pro-corporations uber alles and pro-plutocracy.
And THAT is why this country has hemorrhaged 40,000,000 jobs and become a wrecked, trickle down American
dreamnightmare.God knows, we don’t need two GOPs prostituting themselves for the rich and powerful. We need real liberals, the kind who used to champion the little guy…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:48 pm
Jm
if the gop shuts down the government in 2013 the people
will shut them down in 2014.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
Frog
I doubt they will vote for a tax cut for just some people
If we go over the cliff, D’s may do well in 2 years
But the economy will suck for 2 years
It’s crazy, and entirely hung up on obama’s single minded focus on the rich
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
JamVet
the democrats of which you speak are not on the horizon, they are
all horizontal…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
10:57 pm
Jm
it is the republicans who are hung up on protecting the rich
from a minor increase in taxes that they once were paying.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
11:00 pm
But the economy will suck for 2 years
Wishful speculation
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:06 pm
“But the economy will suck for 2 years”
Take this with a grain of salt from the same blogger that claimed Romney would win FL and that Obama was holding back foreclosures…………..
His predictions and assertions as of late are amusing
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
Tbs you are full of crap
Learn to think before writing
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:17 pm
Jm
Don’t get mad and cry because you made those predictions and assertions
Looks like you would have “learned to think” before making those statements
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
11:19 pm
Jm
You been pouting too long. Enjoy the holidays
peace
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:23 pm
Frog
I view both sides as being equally intransigent
jconservative
December 20th, 2012
11:24 pm
Now we find out if Boehner is really a Speaker of the House. The Speaker of the House is the 2nd most powerful office holder in government. The country cannot be governed without an effective Speaker. All legislation must bear his personal stamp of approval.
On January 1, 2013 and January 2, 2013 tax rates for every taxpayer will go up and major spending cuts to major departments will go into effect. It can only be prevented by legislation passed by Congress.
And Congress is divided between Democrats in the Senate and Republicans in the House. So any solution to prevent the “fiscal cliff” will of necessity require a majority of both houses of Congress. It does not matter if the majorities are 50% Democrats and 50% Republican. It only matters that the bills pass both chambers.
Boehner’s problem is that he fears the backlash if he allows a bill to come to a vote that will secure 110 Democratic votes and 110 Republican votes.
It is past time for Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell to ride to the rescue of the Speaker and pass a Senate version of Plan B that would result in a presidential signature.
If that does not happen it really is not problem to me. Government revenue will go up, government spending will go down and the DEFICIT will be reduced. And that is what I have been fighting for for the past 31 years.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
11:26 pm
The gop refuse to vote for a tax increase but will vote next year on a tax cut.
Aser706
December 20th, 2012
11:34 pm
Getalife:
Makes perfect since when you are truthfully wanting to reduce a deficit. Not just playing politics, lazy politics at that.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
11:44 pm
Get
Who knows
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
11:55 pm
Enter your comments here
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
11:56 pm
Let the taxes go up and then vote for a decrease. Likely outcome.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 21st, 2012
12:35 am
Makes perfect since when you are truthfully wanting to reduce a deficit.
Deficit?
But…but…but…Cheney said that Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.
Translation: IOKIYAR
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
6:06 am
“Now we find out if Boehner is really a Speaker of the House.”
no. he is not.
This has been another edition of simple answers for simple questions.
House Speaker John A. Boehner threw efforts to avoid the year-end “fiscal cliff” into chaos late Thursday, as he abruptly shuttered the House for the holidays after failing to win support from his fellow Republicans for a plan to let tax rates rise for millionaires.
The proposal — Boehner’s alternative to negotiating a broader package with President Obama — would have protected the vast majority of Americans from significant tax increases set to take effect next year. But because it also would have permitted tax rates to rise for about 400,000 extremely wealthy families, conservatives balked, leaving Boehner (Ohio) humiliated and his negotiating power immeasurably weakened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cliff-standoff-boehner-works-to-wrangle-votes-for-plan-b-obama-threatens-veto/2012/12/20/d37cd8c6-4aa5-11e2-9a42-d1ce6d0ed278_story.html
I mean, criminey, he even lost the support of Jennifer “clap if you believe” Rubin!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2012/12/20/boehner-plan-b-house-republicans-humiliate-their-leader/?wprss=rss_story-congress-NW3&tid=pp_widget
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
6:07 am
Mornin’.
Have I mentioned that I don’t give a happy monkey crap about our budget deficit or our debt given current circumstances, and that getting employment to respectable levels and building stuff we need should take priority?
Because we’re not going broke, and the “debt crisis” is a ruse concocted by horrible people to steal from you? (no, not some “moocher.” from you.)
It bears repeating, in any case.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
6:09 am
Also for the record, I don’t care about any plan that the House is going to concoct on its own, because it’s going to suck hard and deep, and will need to be scrapped immediately, no matter what kind of pretty words they say about it.
(No elected Democrat can say that, but the rest of us can.)
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
6:24 am
The republican end times draw nigh.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:04 am
dB – 6:09 – and all dog’s children say AMEN!!!
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:14 am
I wouldn’t want to be john boehner on any day! Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…
Tundra Dude
December 21st, 2012
7:18 am
Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…
His next job might be a janitor again….for Pope Grover…
hamiltonAZ
December 21st, 2012
7:19 am
With a full year to stop this drastic cut, it is absolutely inexcusable that Congress has failed to act, leaving Medicare patients and physicians to deal with the consequences, leaving payroll departments in a quandary, leaving middle class folk stuck with and alternative minimum tax many will struggle to come up with and it is almost treasonous that congress willfully sets us on a course for recession
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
7:22 am
“Boggles the mind that the speaker of the house is a former janitor…”
Only the small minded are boggled
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:23 am
doggone
Lighten up francis, it’s all good
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:25 am
Will Rogers must have been thing of today when he said, ” If pro is the opposite of con, then progress is the opposite of Congress…”
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But what really pizzes me off is that the world didn’t end and now I have to do my Mithra shopping!
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Maybe the House GOP thought the world was going to end too…just supposing…
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:25 am
The Decline and Fall of John Boehner …
(sigh) … what a lovely Cmas present.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:27 am
thing= thinking…I’m taking a prescribed medicine that is kicking my azz…
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Corbin..a little twain & merry christmas!
Fleas can be taught nearly anything that a Congressman can.
- What Is Man?
…the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes.
- Letter fragment, 1891
Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Congressman is the trivialist distinction for a full grown man.
- Notebook #14, Nov. 1877 – July 1878
All Congresses and Parliaments have a kindly feeling for idiots, and a compassion for them, on account of personal experience and heredity.
- Mark Twain’s Autobiography; also in Mark Twain in Eruption
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Is it over yet.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:31 am
Thanks you, news.google.com, for this:
Stay up to date on these results:
Create an email alert for “Boehner Pulls Out”
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:33 am
Is it over yet.
The end of the world? Yep.
“come out of the cupboards, ye boys and girls.”
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
7:35 am
dB – 7:31 – dammit … screencleaner, please!
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
7:36 am
“Create an email alert”
Personally, I though “Boehner pulls Bill” was funny enough to go with for a while
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:36 am
Only the small minded are boggled
hmm. my first reaction was to say “Hey, the President is a former ice-cream scooper, so…”
but I think the bit of class insensitivity was worth it for Mick’s punchline.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
Personally, I though[t] “Boehner pulls Bill” was funny enough
Come on and marry me Bill
I got the broke-Congrefs blu-uuuze…
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
Wow. I got the coolest shot of the clouds up here in north Georgia. The clouds are gray and they have red steaks across them that could pass for lava flow. Hide Republicans!
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:41 am
sfd
Well, at least the former ice cream scooper found his way through columbia, harvard, and a doctorate of juris prudence, not exactly failing upwards…
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:42 am
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:40 am
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
7:42 am
Ok. Streaks v steaks.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:44 am
Wasn’t James brown a janitor too? Maybe Boehner and quit and start a music career…
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:45 am
found his way through columbia, harvard, and a doctorate of juris prudence
no no no Mick.
The former ice cream scooper consorted with thugs and terrorists, stole his IL senate seat, and forced Jeri Ryan to testify about that sex dungeon. Then he promised us all free stuff.
That’s how he got to be President
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:52 am
“It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress”
Gale
December 21st, 2012
7:53 am
If a cut to Congressional salaries were included with the fiscal cliff, the legislators may have been more incented to produce a budget. They have been getting increases while most of the country has had wages frozen, if they had jobs.
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
7:54 am
Gale,
Word!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
7:57 am
dB, What a disappointing memory. I checked your Jeri Ryan post to refresh my memory after flashing on, “What?! Jeri Ryan and a sex dungeon!”
Mick
December 21st, 2012
7:58 am
Still boggles my small mind that I wake up in miami today and go to sleep in vegas tonite enroute to tahoe in car tomorrow. Yes, progress is very good…
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
7:58 am
Maybe Boehner [can] quit and start a music career…
I was going to propose that he form a band called “orangeman,” but decided to google the term to make sure someone else didn’t already HAVE that band name.
and I came upon this, pasted for your dining and dancing pleasure:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=orangeman
Orangemen remember the battle of the boyne, fought in 1690. They have marched on the 12th of July for many hundreds of years commemorating the victory of William of Orange, a protestant Dutch prince, over the catholic, Scottish King James.
The only time in recent memory they did not march was during the two World Wars. The reason for this was because they didn’t want the Brits to see that they were all hiding in their houses and to afraid to go to war and fight for their country. Unlike the catholics who signed up in large numbers to fight the Germans.
“See that useless pile of sh#te shaking in his boots, that’s a typical orangeman.”
[...]
inbred bigoted fat bowler hat wearing protestant b#stards who beat their wives and children. these c##ts claim to be ‘holy’ and ‘pious’ when truly they are no better than the KKK. these inbreds also love to insult and annoy the good catholic people in the occupied six counties of the north of ireland with their annual marching through catholic areas. they cling to a distant memory of the battle of the boyne where the protestant william of orange defeated the good catholic king james in 1690. grow up lads
Cherokee
December 21st, 2012
8:02 am
fascinating, stands. The Irish are obviously much better at insults than anyone I know… LOL
DownInAlbany
December 21st, 2012
8:02 am
The dems and the reps are BOTH playing games and we are being played for fools.
Meanwhile, in the real world, I’m getting emails from my payroll vendor that they may not be able to process our first payroll of the new year because of all this…
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
8:04 am
“Orangemen remember the battle of the boyne, fought in 1690″
How old ARE they?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:06 am
“forced Jeri Ryan to testify about that sex dungeon. Then he promised us all free stuff.”
when, really, he should have combined the two … landslide. s’all I’m sayin …
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2012
8:08 am
Speaking of “orangement” – I think the term “blackguard” comes from the same era.
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:10 am
The orangeman are down here this week to host nick satan and the fighting irish…should be a grand ole time at the orange bowl…
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
8:10 am
Boehner would not make it in music given that another has already taken his trademark move.
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:14 am
One does have to wonder if Jeri has an open invite to the White House. It would be the least Michelle and Barack could do. The certainly never could have called the place “home” (well, not starting in 2009, anyway) had it not been for her.
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:15 am
dB – resistance is futile!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:16 am
Would anyone resist that Borg?
Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!
December 21st, 2012
8:17 am
Everybody see Luckovich yet?
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2012/12/20/122112-luckovich-cartoon-mayan-prophecy/
Paul
December 21st, 2012
8:17 am
Mayans got it right. Just the translation wasn’t finished. Today is the end of the world – for House Republicans.
They just don’t know it yet.
Hey Mick! Travel safe and have a real good time!
Gale
December 21st, 2012
8:19 am
How is the weather looking in London for Christmas, USinUK?
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:20 am
paul
Thanks…might see plano in march, we’ll see..you and the family have a great xmas and a prosperous new year!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:27 am
Gale – today, it’s beautiful and clear, but I think we’re expecting a wet Christmas rather than a white one
we’ve already had epic flooding and it doesn’t look like it’s going to let up
RF
December 21st, 2012
8:27 am
“no matter what kind of pretty words they say about it.”
Evidently the words weren’t too kind. I guess Boehner’s wimpy plan to try to put this on the Senate Dems and the WH blew up in his face. He’s played to the hard-right for the past two years and now can’t even get his caucus to agree on what would have easily passed just a few month ago…not even with Pope Grover’s blessing. He’s toast and I won’t be surprised at all to see Eric Cantor finish the back-stabbing and stand on Boehner’s political corpse to try for the Speaker post. Problem is, the TP caucus can’t run the show any more, and nobody knows what to do with them.
Fred ™
December 21st, 2012
8:29 am
UAinUK? You ever check email?
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:30 am
“and nobody knows what to do with them.”
oh!! oh!!! I have some ideas!!! pick me!!!
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:31 am
Hi Fred – I’ve been a bit sporadic the last couple of weeks … will dive in now
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2012
8:32 am
Uncompromising Republicans object to their own reflections. I love a fresh cup of irony in the morning.
Paul
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Mick – thanks! Something to look forward to in 2013!
stands for decibels
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Mick, if this makes any hassles you encounter getting there more tolerable–I’m fairly sick with jealousy over your Tahoe trek. (ahh, to be on XC skis over the holidays… but, not gonna happen this year.)
USinUK - not very ladylike (and former Girl Scout)
December 21st, 2012
8:34 am
Fred – 8:29 – I replied to your first e-mail … did you not receive my reply???
Mick
December 21st, 2012
8:35 am
How easy would it have been to just give obama his due…he won the election by 4 million votes! But nooooooooo, we have republicans who are out of touch and shackled by their own monsters – the failed minority of a minority iced tea party! What a dour, sour, group if there ever was one…