Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
John Boehner is not acting like a confident man.
Yesterday, the House speaker made a curt, 52-second public statement regarding fiscal-cliff negotiations and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.
Later in the day, the AJC’s Daniel Malloy saw Boehner in a heated discussion with a handful of Georgia Republicans on the House floor. Asked about it later, they told Malloy that Boehner was pleading with them to support his so-called Plan B, which would raise taxes only on those with annual incomes of more than $1 million. At best, they seem unconvinced.
The speaker’s proposal — floated as a way to demonstrate that House Republicans are “serious” about deficit reduction — is scheduled to be voted on today. There’s a chance that it will go down to defeat if enough of Boehner’s fellow Republicans refuse to support it on grounds that it raises taxes, if only on the top 0.19 percent of earners.
It’s also interesting to note that Pope Grover I of Norquist has issued an papal bull decreeing that Plan B is somehow NOT a tax hike, and thus will not be interpreted as violating the no-tax-hikes-ever pledge that so many Republicans have signed. That says a lot about the hypocrisy involved, and about Norquist’s continuing power over party members. They may be elected by the people of their district, but they are answerable first to Pope Grover. They have to wait for him to tell them, like some pope ruling on a theological dispute, whether they have permission to cast a vote one way or the other.
Here’s the angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin rationale released by Norquist through his front group, Americans for Tax Reform, explaining how a bill that raises taxes is not really a tax hike:
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“ATR has consistently maintained that individual members of Congress make a pledge to their constituents to oppose and vote against tax increases. The House this week will vote on a tax bill. This legislation — popularly known as “Plan B” — permanently prevents a tax increase on families making less than $1 million per year. Republicans supporting this bill are this week affirming to their constituents in writing that this bill — the sole purpose of which is to prevent tax increases — is consistent with the pledge they made to them. In ATR’s analysis, it is extremely difficult — if not impossible — to fault these Republicans’ assertion.
In particular, in this Congress the House has already voted twice to prevent any tax increases on any American. When viewed with this in mind, and considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them — matters become more clear. Having finally seen actual legislation in writing, ATR is now able to make its determination about a legislative proposal related to the fiscal cliff. ATR will not consider a vote for this measure a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.”
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The statement is a clear lie, because as even Boehner has said, Plan B does raise taxes. Also note the claim that politicians made the no-tax pledge not to Norquist, but to their constituents. Pope Grover trotted out that same logic recently in his dispute with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, claiming that “If (Chambliss) plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government, he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them. The senator’s reference to me is odd. His promise is to the people of Georgia.”
Yet it is Norquist, not the people of Georgia, or Alabama, or North Dakota, who claims the power to define a clear tax hike as not a tax hike at all.
As a further sign of trouble, late last night Boehner and his allies tried to sweeten Plan B by adding spending cuts to the measure, including cuts that would gut ObamaCare. That may help the speaker through this most immediate crisis, but he also knows that when the time comes to recruit GOP votes for a final, negotiated package to avert the fiscal cliff, that package will not include cuts to ObamaCare.
A second GOP bill, also added to the day’s calendar to make Plan B easier to swallow, would end all defense cuts scheduled to take place under sequestration and replace them with still more cuts to social programs. That way, 100 percent of the cuts would come from entitlements and other programs, while defense spending is untouched.
The bottom line remains the same: House Republicans are badly out of step with the American people.
In another in a long string of such polls, a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week reported that 74 percent of Americans find tax hikes on those making $250,000 or more “acceptable.” Even 51 percent of Republicans find that acceptable. And 76 percent of Americans said House Republicans are not willing to compromise enough.
Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. The area that draws the most support for cutbacks (defense, at 42 percent; 48 percent among independents) is the only area in which Republicans refuse to even consider cuts.
That does not mean that cuts should not be made, in defense as well as social programs. Our fiscal problems cannot be corrected through tax hikes alone, nor through spending cuts alone. It has to be both. And by Boehner’s own admission, President Obama has proposed some $850 billion in spending cuts (the administration says the total is closer to $1.2 trillion once you throw in lower interest payments.)
Overall, those polling numbers tell us that Boehner has very little backing among the American people for the policies that his own caucus is insisting that he pursue to the bitter end. He knows that, and he’s trying to get that point across to his caucus. But in too many cases, he is preaching practicality to people to whom appeals to practicality smack of early-onset RINOism, an often fatal disease in that group.
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:39 pm
cat,
Really:
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/12/20/u-s-economy-grows-at-fastest-pace-this-year-but-gains-likely-short-lived/
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Now the gop are attacking Hagel trying to undermine the President again to stay the course on getting our President.
Pitiful.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:41 pm
I think Sowell can conclusively reveal where he gets his life-sized Ayn Rand blow-up dolls.
Beyond that I take Sowell with a Pacific Ocean dose of salt.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:42 pm
getalife
Ya know, there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the not so loyal…
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:44 pm
josef,
“Unhinged”.
Write the book please.
To get attention to the book, talk about torture.
Towncrier
December 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Beyond that I take Sowell with a Pacific Ocean dose of salt.”
Hate to break it to you, Kamchak, but whatever his idiosyncrasies he 1) has vastly greater credentials than you might ever hope to have and 2) he is not always wrong and 3) he provides evidence and reasons for his positions – something certain people here do not do.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Ya know, there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the not so loyal…”
You’re kinder than me. I would have said “there’s the loyal opposition and then there’s the blind-as-a-bat, stubborn-as-a-mule opposition
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:48 pm
DOGGONE
I’m trying to be nice…Big Daddy’s home…
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
6:49 pm
JHM
>^.=^<
cat facepawlm
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
“I’m trying to be nice”
I’m trying too…I started to say “stubborn-as-a-jackass” but decided that was a bit TOO blunt.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
6:50 pm
has vastly greater credentials than you might ever hope to have
I don’t hope to have credentials in phlogiston economics.
he is not always wrong
A broken analog clock is right twice a day. Doesn’t mean it has value.
he provides evidence and reasons for his positions
Wrong is wrong, I don’t need to know why.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
getalife
I listen to the rantings of some of those on the verandah with all that “your President” “USA RIP” and such and just shake me head…
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:51 pm
josef,
Jay can give you tips on appearing on cnn to pimp the book.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:53 pm
Humm,
Interesting.
Those who would restrict the right to own a gun and those who support imposing healthcare cite the constitution.
It’s wrong to kill someone, we agree, yet it’s ok for the media to totally fabricate ( by omission) the facts of the murder
Now that’s interesting.
Wait ya ll are liberals ain’t you it’s getting hard to track this.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:55 pm
” it’s ok for the media to totally fabricate ( by omission) the facts of the murder”
oily’s conspiracy theory?
Towncrier
December 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Wrong is wrong, I don’t need to know why.”
Yeah, you do. You have to have criteria by which to judge right from wrong. But thanks for reminding me why this blog is so unappealing after awhile and why I hardly ever post here anymore. This might fall on deaf ears but let me ask the part of a friend and say it anyway: grow up and get some decency. Goodnight all.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
6:56 pm
Ok now you wouldn’t be saying the media doesn’t ” forget” to mention things would you ?
captguitarman
December 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
I think Boehner is trying hard, but in the end he may not be able to get the votes for a tax hike. And, he could lose his job for trying. One thing his efforts are yielding is that if we do a cliff dive, it may no longer be an automatic that the Pub/Cons will get all of the blame after Boehner has made a real effort to get a deal, with a tax increase for the top earners included.
And it is a shame that this meaningless political theater, which would produce no significant revenue even if Obama’s original proposal was accepted and passed, is taking the place of meaningful reforms and spending cuts, which would help. But the Dem/Libs are just not serious about cutting any spending and far more worried about being able to raise the debt ceiling without any constraints.. Obama’s primary goal here is to be able to say he kept a campaign promise – a rare thing for sure – but is it worth the risk involved in going over the cliff?
Rarely discussed is that the top earners are already lined up for a tax increase starting in 2013 regardless, with taxes on investment income, dividends, capital gains going up to fund Obamacare. Plus Obamacare taxes will start to trickle in for all taxpayers on medical devices. It will be best for all if a deal is cut. But, many on both sides are now saying that we should do the cliff dive and fight another day in 2013.
Shine
December 20th, 2012
6:57 pm
The presidents offer which caves into kooks’ demands about using a different formula for cost of living increases for ss and fed employees and retired military etc is just atax increase by a difffernt name. If you get a .4 less increase each year for ten years its the same thing as a 4% tax increase i dont care what you call it.
That is a tax increase for members of the middle class.
josef
December 20th, 2012
6:59 pm
getalife
But, you know what? Seriously, I wish the Imam would give some thought to writing a book about blogging and the view from the contemporary verandah. It would be interesting to see just what he considers worthy of reference from his socially malcontent herd of cats…after talking about all the different “issues,” he could close it out with an optimistic chapter on FNM…
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
Can someone post a summary of who are liberals and who are cons.
I am a con and its hard for me to argue with folks when I can’t remember their party affiliation.
About the only one I can remember is Auqagirl because she is the one who pisses me off the most, then again I may have a deep seeded crush.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:00 pm
“If you get a .4 less increase each year for ten years its the same thing as a 4% tax increase i dont care what you call it.”
Curious minds would like to know: was it math or logic you failed in school?
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
josef,
I was thinking he could write the book called “Unhinged”. You are a fierce advocate for the South so you are biased. Most of the unhinged cons are from the South.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
7:02 pm
Yeah, you do.
You don’t have the authority to define my needs.
But thanks for reminding me why this blog is so unappealing after awhile and why I hardly ever post here anymore.
Your welcome.
This might fall on deaf ears but let me ask the part of a friend and say it anyway:
You don’t have the authority to define yourself as my friend, either.
grow up and get some decency.
Yawn, passive/aggressive judgment.
Goodnight all.
Toodles.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:03 pm
I knew I would fail math therefore it was logical for me to skip class.
That makes since
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:05 pm
TC
Hadn’t seen you in awhile. Was going to ask about that over sampling you were speaking about before the election. What happened to that conspiracy?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Wait ya ll are liberals ain’t you it’s getting hard to track this.
Drunk blogging.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
We missed you too crier.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Kam
I don’t want to step out on a limb, but the election results and TCs lack of blogging seem to have gone hand in hand, but we will let have his reasons.
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:06 pm
Getalife don’t forget that we are racist, you left that out.
By the way you may want to look at the national map that indicates a color for which way the county or district voted.
Man sure are a lot of unhinged cons in most of New York State, Michigan, Ohio, you know those traditionally southern states.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
“Hadn’t seen you in awhile. Was going to ask about that over sampling you were speaking about before the election. What happened to that conspiracy?”
They overestimated it?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
Dog @ 19:00
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
“That makes since”
Since when?
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:07 pm
Yeah I know Kam,
I am trying to argue and nobody will do it.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
7:10 pm
“Getalife don’t forget that we are racist, you left that out.”
There is a chapter for that.
The behavior and actions from the right should be documented and made a movie.
I get half of the profits..
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:11 pm
getalife
Oh, here I feel obligated to defend the South when it’s attacked unfairly…don’t ever get me started on THAT side of who we are! Talk about unhinged…
It’s not that the South produces any more or any less of the unhinged, it’s just that it tends to produce a more spectacular lot and tends to be a bit more tolerant of them…
I’m reminded of the Flannery O’Connor comment
“Whenever I’m asked why Southern writers particularly have a penchant for writing about freaks, I say it is because we are still able to recognize one.”
0311/8541/5811/1811/1801
December 20th, 2012
7:11 pm
“The Scale”
http://www.ignitermedia.com/mini-movies/2667/The-Christmas-Scale
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:14 pm
josef
brilliant!…i’m a reformed northerner…was there 10 been here 40
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
7:16 pm
Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
………………………………………………………………
I would not like to be John Boehner at any time.
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:17 pm
The chapters of the Big Daddy’s book on view from the verandah that I want to see are the ones on the on the kicked off the porch for good and then the ones who were just, uh, muzzled, you know, the Freds…
Mama Says
December 20th, 2012
7:18 pm
If someone doesn’t yell at me or call me a name I am leaving.
Where is the hostile back and forth ?
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:20 pm
CAT
My favorite Southerners are the immigrant ones (not the Carpetbaggers and delusional lickspittle). Y’all can often give us a chance to see oursels as ithers see us and do it with the warmth of one who has decided to call us his/her own. The Ruths amongst us…
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
josef
i hear Ruth was a babe…..
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:22 pm
MAMA
I told ya…we bein nice today gettin’ ready for tomorrow…’sides, Big Daddy’s home from visitin’ that bunch of liberal hacks over to CNN…
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:23 pm
FROG
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:25 pm
Doggone
TC and td and I think a few others were talking about how the polls were oversampling Democrats, etc etc………
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
7:28 pm
and on Christmas.morning…don’t shake box before you open it…
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
7:29 pm
Does anyone know which time zone the end of the world is supposed to happen in tomorrow.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
7:31 pm
“TC and td and I think a few others were talking about how the polls were oversampling Democrats, etc etc”
Yes, that’s what I said…they overestimated the oversampling!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:32 pm
Doggon
my bad, got ya
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:33 pm
TAXI
All you need to know on one page…
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=94
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
7:36 pm
Mama
YELLLLLLLLLLLLLL
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:43 pm
Set your clocks for 6:11 in Atlanta…earlier if you want a cup of Guatemalan coffee beforehand…
Me? I plan on sleeping through Armageddon, too…
josef
December 20th, 2012
7:55 pm
So, what y’all having for your last meal?
Homemade beef stew, cornbread and lots and lots and lots of Baby Jesus’ Birthday chocolates…
Jm
December 20th, 2012
7:57 pm
We have a financial literacy problem in dis here country
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
8:00 pm
Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
I’m a
PepperBoehner, he’s aPepperBoehner,She’s a
PepperBoehner, we’re aPepperBoehner,Wouldn’t you like to be a
PepperBoehner, too?Jay
December 20th, 2012
8:11 pm
No vote on Boehner’s Plan B tonight; he couldn’t get the votes.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
8:13 pm
Over the cliff.
Jm
December 20th, 2012
8:19 pm
Oscar
You could be right
But there’s still a shot
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
8:21 pm
getalife
December 20th, 2012
6:40 pm
Now the gop are attacking Hagel trying to undermine the President again to stay the course on getting our President.
Pitiful.
+++++++++++++++++++++
You know the deal Get, they are NOW committed to making Obama only a two term President…………
Fred ™
December 20th, 2012
8:23 pm
Well I put off everything I was supposed to do today and farted around. I’m gonna REALLY be screwed if the world doesn’t end……..
josef
December 20th, 2012
8:26 pm
Jay
December 20th, 2012
8:11 pm
No vote on Boehner’s Plan B tonight; he couldn’t get the vote.
************************
Jeeze, Mec, it’s not as if it were the end of the world or anything….
getalife
December 20th, 2012
8:39 pm
Speaker said he does not have the votes for his plan.
Too funny.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
8:43 pm
In a statement, Boehner said that the House did not take up the measure “because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass.”
Sounds like someone might not be the speaker too much longer.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
8:45 pm
gop civil war.
I wonder if they will finally vote yes on the President’s tax plan next year.
JamVet
December 20th, 2012
8:46 pm
What we really need is a lot less discord and a lot more…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOJlNQMzVM
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well all the Republican’s crying about the stock market here will have to deal with the fact their own party is causing it top go lower.
Imagine Plan B raising taxes for MOST American’s and cutting for the rich !
Jm
December 20th, 2012
9:14 pm
Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:20 pm
Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands.
Funny stuff the country voted and it wasn’t for and about the super rich. The Republican’s want Mitt Romney running things, cause that will give the wealthy the most benefits.
Too bad the country spoke……..
Jm
December 20th, 2012
9:23 pm
Peter
Like it or not there is a republican house that has to sign off
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:25 pm
“Obama and Reid should reconsider their demands”
You’ve got to be kidding. Give up the chance to watch the GOP implode? Not likely.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:26 pm
Well I agree……. and I agree with the the info I am getting on PBS… let the house vote on the President’s plan…….if it fails then re-negotiate……….. The studies have proven giving rich folks more money does not create jobs… only makes them greedier.
paulo977
December 20th, 2012
9:27 pm
josef…”This whole stand off smacks of an entrenched orthodoxy standing its ground against the forces propelling an age of Reformation.”
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Depends, of course, on whose perception it is !!!!
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jm
The republicans already have in place plan A.
they planned the tax cuts to expire and for sequestration to happen
No one has to do anything..
thuggishNews
December 20th, 2012
9:28 pm
this is too funny. gop deserve all the nonsense they have earned. 2 weeks ago mitch mcconartist filibustered his own bill.
gop = party of the stupid, for the stupid and by the stupid.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:29 pm
Info from Yahoo business page…….
One of the touted benefits of “Plan B” is that it only raises taxes for those making $1 million or more. As Eric Cantor said this morning, the plan would raise revenue “without hurting many small businesses” or taxpayers.
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that the average taxpayer earning $1 million or more in cash income would see their taxes go up by an average of $72,000. A small number of those million-plus earners will see a tax cut, due to an anomaly in the Alternative Minimum Tax.
In fact, the only taxpayers who will get an overall tax cut under Plan B are those who earn between $200,000 and $1 million. People making between $200,000 and $500,000 will see an average tax cut of $301. Those making between $500,000 and $1 million will see their taxes go down by $164.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:31 pm
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters. His continued insistence is nothing more than a desire for a political trophy. The additional revenue is a drop in the bucket and won’t begin to even build a foundation on reducing the deficit. Plus, he is propsing more ridiculous spending. No wonder Repbublicans, at least those who can still find their ballls, won’t give in to him. If the W tax cuts expire, it will be little Barry’s fault. It can hang around his neck.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
9:33 pm
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters.
Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddd I quit reading.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:35 pm
“Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows Obama’s insistence to tax the rich was a campaign ploy designed to appeal to low intelligent voters”
Yeah, well…when you have only 2 brain cells…low intelligence is pretty much a given. Most of us have a whole HELL of lot more than that.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:35 pm
gop = party of the stupid, for the stupid and by the stupid.
I don’t agree to the above.
GOP = party for the super Rich, for the Super Rich, for the Super Rich…..and screw the rest……
The rest of the Republican’s that are not Super Rich, are part of the screw you too …… those are the lemmings not able to see the trees for the forest. They complain about big government, but really their president created the larger government…. AKA George Bush…..
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:36 pm
If Boehner does loose speaker, his replacement will be an even bigger foe to Obama. That could mean getting hardly passed, but that might not be bad. Nothing is better than bad.
The good news for Conservatives is, it sounds like there remains enough to prevent caving to Obama.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:37 pm
No wonder Repbublicans, at least those who can still find their ballls, won’t give in to him.
That’s correct in the final analysis of this statement…. ” Deficits don’t matter “.. a true Republican mantra.
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
9:38 pm
The good news for Conservatives is, it sounds like there remains enough to prevent caving to Obama.
…………………………………………
until 2014..
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:38 pm
If Boehner does loose speaker, his replacement will be an even bigger foe to Obama.
Yup here is the answer from a true Republican…… we want to run up the deficit…then bankrupt America in the true style of George Bush……
get out much?
December 20th, 2012
9:39 pm
I am guessing he didn’t have a plan C …
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:40 pm
I believe the article on Obama winning due to low intelligent voters is in TIME mag.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:41 pm
Imagine Republican’s ran a candidate who made BIG Money OUTSOURCING American jobs……..
Then called him the Job Creator………. gee they will implode soon.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:42 pm
I can’t stand it. A Moonbat stating Republicans want to run up the deficit. This place has really gone down hill.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:43 pm
“I believe the article on Obama winning due to low intelligent voters is in TIME mag”
Then maybe the GOP needs to re-evalutate what they are doing that is so attractive to low intelligence voters.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:43 pm
JohnnyReb … Please the folks that voted for Obama were the richest counties in the US and the states with the best education…… and Georgia and the Rebel South were not among them.
Educated voters voted for Obama.
thuggishNews
December 20th, 2012
9:44 pm
a low intelligence voter is someone who votes against their best interests. Like making minimum wage and voting republican. that is like committing economic seppuku
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:44 pm
If the W tax cuts expire, bubba, it will be because that’s how the Republicans set them up. To expire.
And today’s Republicans could pass tax cuts for most of us tomorrow if they wanted to.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:45 pm
Republicans want to run up the deficit………..Kind of like starting two wars and cutting taxes, because deficits don’t matter ?
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:46 pm
Well plan B would have raised taxes the most on the poor………. in true Republican fashion !
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
9:48 pm
“A Moonbat stating Republicans want to run up the deficit”
‘Cause Ryan’s tax plan was going to get that sucker down to zero like RIGHT NOW, right? /snarc
Cherokee
December 20th, 2012
9:48 pm
Yeah Peter I’m surprised it didn’t pass – tax cuts for millionaires, and increases for the rest of us. Republicans love that…
Should have been a slam dunk.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:50 pm
Cherokee – you do hopefully understand that if Obama completely gets his way, there are zero tax cuts. The only thing that would change is an increase in rates on high income earners. Try to keep up if you are going to bad mouth us.
JohnnyReb
December 20th, 2012
9:52 pm
OK, I’m out of here. I can’t stand it. Peter, you probably are not dumb, but just have bad luck when thinking.
Peter
December 20th, 2012
9:53 pm
Cherokee.. the Republican “Conservatives ” are off base as usual….touting if you raise taxes on the wealthy they will not create jobs…… all funny stuff……. no evidence at all….. in fact businesses need to hire more and be more productive ……if they have a good viable product to sell.
And if the middle class is not consuming………then who do the business’s sell too ?
RAMZAD
December 20th, 2012
9:53 pm
Republicans are right where they ought to be- wedged into a little crevice between Grover Norquist and the American people.