Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days
John Boehner is not acting like a confident man.
Yesterday, the House speaker made a curt, 52-second public statement regarding fiscal-cliff negotiations and then turned and left the room, unwilling to take a question.
Later in the day, the AJC’s Daniel Malloy saw Boehner in a heated discussion with a handful of Georgia Republicans on the House floor. Asked about it later, they told Malloy that Boehner was pleading with them to support his so-called Plan B, which would raise taxes only on those with annual incomes of more than $1 million. At best, they seem unconvinced.
The speaker’s proposal — floated as a way to demonstrate that House Republicans are “serious” about deficit reduction — is scheduled to be voted on today. There’s a chance that it will go down to defeat if enough of Boehner’s fellow Republicans refuse to support it on grounds that it raises taxes, if only on the top 0.19 percent of earners.
It’s also interesting to note that Pope Grover I of Norquist has issued an papal bull decreeing that Plan B is somehow NOT a tax hike, and thus will not be interpreted as violating the no-tax-hikes-ever pledge that so many Republicans have signed. That says a lot about the hypocrisy involved, and about Norquist’s continuing power over party members. They may be elected by the people of their district, but they are answerable first to Pope Grover. They have to wait for him to tell them, like some pope ruling on a theological dispute, whether they have permission to cast a vote one way or the other.
Here’s the angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin rationale released by Norquist through his front group, Americans for Tax Reform, explaining how a bill that raises taxes is not really a tax hike:
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“ATR has consistently maintained that individual members of Congress make a pledge to their constituents to oppose and vote against tax increases. The House this week will vote on a tax bill. This legislation — popularly known as “Plan B” — permanently prevents a tax increase on families making less than $1 million per year. Republicans supporting this bill are this week affirming to their constituents in writing that this bill — the sole purpose of which is to prevent tax increases — is consistent with the pledge they made to them. In ATR’s analysis, it is extremely difficult — if not impossible — to fault these Republicans’ assertion.
In particular, in this Congress the House has already voted twice to prevent any tax increases on any American. When viewed with this in mind, and considering this tax bill contains no tax increases of any kind — in fact, it permanently prevents them — matters become more clear. Having finally seen actual legislation in writing, ATR is now able to make its determination about a legislative proposal related to the fiscal cliff. ATR will not consider a vote for this measure a violation of the Taxpayer Protection Pledge.”
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The statement is a clear lie, because as even Boehner has said, Plan B does raise taxes. Also note the claim that politicians made the no-tax pledge not to Norquist, but to their constituents. Pope Grover trotted out that same logic recently in his dispute with Sen. Saxby Chambliss, claiming that “If (Chambliss) plans to vote for higher taxes to pay for Obama-sized government, he should address the people of Georgia and let them know that he plans to break his promise to them. The senator’s reference to me is odd. His promise is to the people of Georgia.”
Yet it is Norquist, not the people of Georgia, or Alabama, or North Dakota, who claims the power to define a clear tax hike as not a tax hike at all.
As a further sign of trouble, late last night Boehner and his allies tried to sweeten Plan B by adding spending cuts to the measure, including cuts that would gut ObamaCare. That may help the speaker through this most immediate crisis, but he also knows that when the time comes to recruit GOP votes for a final, negotiated package to avert the fiscal cliff, that package will not include cuts to ObamaCare.
A second GOP bill, also added to the day’s calendar to make Plan B easier to swallow, would end all defense cuts scheduled to take place under sequestration and replace them with still more cuts to social programs. That way, 100 percent of the cuts would come from entitlements and other programs, while defense spending is untouched.
The bottom line remains the same: House Republicans are badly out of step with the American people.
In another in a long string of such polls, a Washington Post/ABC News poll released this week reported that 74 percent of Americans find tax hikes on those making $250,000 or more “acceptable.” Even 51 percent of Republicans find that acceptable. And 76 percent of Americans said House Republicans are not willing to compromise enough.
Overall, just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67. The area that draws the most support for cutbacks (defense, at 42 percent; 48 percent among independents) is the only area in which Republicans refuse to even consider cuts.
That does not mean that cuts should not be made, in defense as well as social programs. Our fiscal problems cannot be corrected through tax hikes alone, nor through spending cuts alone. It has to be both. And by Boehner’s own admission, President Obama has proposed some $850 billion in spending cuts (the administration says the total is closer to $1.2 trillion once you throw in lower interest payments.)
Overall, those polling numbers tell us that Boehner has very little backing among the American people for the policies that his own caucus is insisting that he pursue to the bitter end. He knows that, and he’s trying to get that point across to his caucus. But in too many cases, he is preaching practicality to people to whom appeals to practicality smack of early-onset RINOism, an often fatal disease in that group.
– Jay Bookman
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Just Saying..
December 20th, 2012
12:26 pm
“Yawn. Lemme know when we get 7% growth and 1 million new jobs in one month- like we did under Reagan. Just the facts…”
That was AFTER Reagan raised taxes, yes? Just the facts…
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:14 pm
There’s your sign.
A sign that likely all he knows about Wright and his relationship with Obama is that the magic words “God”, “Damn,” and “America” appeared in order one time in a sermon in his church.
I’m really tired of trying to set foolish people straight on that, but I will say this: Downinalbany, you’re wrong on several levels, and if you were to learn something about that sermon, and that minister, and that church, that wasn’t spoon fed to you by conservative “news” outlets, you’d know as much.
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon. It was vile and despicable. And those three words were repeated. You can choose to believe that he said it once if you like. As it’s been pointed out to me, it’s a free country. Further, I’ve researched the “church.” Rev describes himself as “descriptive” not “devisive”…while expressing the values of “Black Liberation theology” which finds its merits in liberation in the here and now, not the “afterlife.”
Perhaps, you could give me a few pointers on choosing a liberal “news” outlet so that you don’t have to tire yourself “trying to set foolish people straight?”
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:29 pm
Down in Albany
Choose whichever “news outlet” you like, but the one that had you believing those lies about Colorado should be off the list.
just saying
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 20th, 2012
12:29 pm
DannyX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXRi28W-ENY
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
12:30 pm
did Uncle samantha really post this?
CORRECT
AND THE PELOSI CONGRESS WHERE DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH CHAMBERS FROM 2007-2010 WERE THE WORST SPENDERS IN HISTORY
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Definitely need to work on mental health in this country.
Logical Dude
December 20th, 2012
12:31 pm
Jay: just 28 percent back cuts to Medicaid, just 34 percent back reductions in future growth of Social Security benefits and only 36 percent back raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67.
Can you tell me what YOUR plan would be to reduce spending in these areas?
You cite poll after poll about people not wanting to lose any benefits, but I guess I missed where you have a solution.
Of course, both spending cuts and tax hikes are generally unpopular because ultimately, people pay more. Tax hikes *right now* of course, are more popular because people see the politicians (R) trying to protect the “millionaires” and coming out looking stupid for it.
But a full solution takes into account spending cuts in Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid. If not aiming at the most obvious (yet unpopular) solutions that you list, what other options will significantly reduce spending in these areas?
GT
December 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
DownInAlbany I had to look up Rev. Wright in the same manner and I can promise he is not as impressive as either Graham or Glover, or even my local pastor. I really don’t hear O pushing the religion card not part of this stick, but for the right it is a litmus test and the one elected on the right will be controlled by these false prophets using the church as a market for their goods, like guns.
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
12:33 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:27 pm
What parts were vile and dispicable?
Seriously, dude, what was vile and dispicable?
Yo can find the whole sermon in parts on youtube right now
and show us.
We are making popcorn and opening the junior mints.
The excitment is building….
All we need is you do to your part.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon. [...] Further, I’ve researched the “church.”
And yet you claim, “up until a couple of weeks ago, I’d never heard of Norquist.”
I finds this to be unbelievable.
And when I say “unbelievable”, I don’t mean it to be somehow remarkable or noteworthy, it means that I don’t believe you.
Con...fidence?
December 20th, 2012
12:40 pm
@Ronald Reagan
December 20th, 2012
10:30 am
Speaker Boehner is a great man & will make the right decision for the WORKING class citizens! He wouldn’t leave a small group dying like President Barry H. & Hillary R. did in Benghazi!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you kidding me?
The Cons said that they did not care about the 47% and you
sound like one of the 47%.
Boehner and his boys are looking out for the 1%.
THAT LEAVES YOU OUT OF THE PICTURE.
“If once you forfeit the confidence of your fellow-citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem.”
Abraham Lincoln
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
12:41 pm
bill arp: “I’m thinking the first thing that needs to be agreed upon, is what defines ‘poor’, ‘middle class’, or ‘rich’ in monetary terms…”
You can’t step out of the political and express these relations in purely monetary economic terms. That’s why a Marxist-inspired analysis is based in “political economy”, not either one or the other, which is reductive.
massachusetts refugee “this is all BS. the left is being every bit as stubborn aboot the spending cuts as the other side is aboot taxes. until both are addressed”
Not at all. They’ve already agreed to cuts in spending as a ratio of revenue (tax) increases ranging anywhere from 4-6 times.
So you can’t claim that a Democratic party that has by and large agreed to 4-6x spending cuts to revenue increases is being unreasonable.
But even beyond that, spending and revenue are not equivalent forces sitting on the two sides of the ledger, not for a national economy that has its own currency, and certainly not for one whose currency happens to be the world’s reserve currency and is borrowing at historically low interest rates.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
Down
I think it is safe to say you have a credibility gap….
Jack ®
December 20th, 2012
12:45 pm
If you pay taxes at all through W-2 earnings, you will take home less on the same amount of earnings for 2013 regardless of the decisions made in Washington. That’s called a tax hike. If you are a corprorate owner or CEO, you’re gonna pay more tax in 2013. If Obama’s dream of making inequites disappear comes true, you voted for the right man. If the inequities disappear, it will be because tax payers will pay more taxes to cover the shortfall of those that pay none. Either way you slice it, it sounds like spreading the wealth to me. But what the hell do I know? I have a business that I didn’t build.
Logical Dude
December 20th, 2012
12:48 pm
Logical Dude: but I guess I missed where you have a solution.
Meaning, of course, I’m too lazy to do a search.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
Granny
You might want to start eating that popcorn before it gets cold….
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:50 pm
Look, stands, I’ve watched the entire sermon.
I’m trying to deal with you civilly, but I find that extremely hard to believe. *I* haven’t WATCHED the entire sermon–I’ve heard a lot of it, and read a transcript of it in its entirety.
It was vile and despicable.
He was describing some vile and despicable things about our country, and what was being done in our name, that were in grotesque violation of the teachings of Jesus Christ as he understood them.
I don’t think he is correct in all of those assertions, but given the time, and the forum, I’d say — as did another well known preacher, Mike Huckabee – you should cut the man some slack.
expressing the values of “Black Liberation theology” which finds its merits in liberation in the here and now, not the “afterlife.”
What, pray tell, do you find offensive about that?
Perhaps, you could give me a few pointers on choosing a liberal “news” outlet so that you don’t have to tire yourself “trying to set foolish people straight?”
Shrug. You could start by learning something about his denomination. Look here, then here, perhaps.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:51 pm
But what the hell do I know?
Not much, as evidenced by your next statement.
I have a business that I didn’t build.
And this has been debunked countless times.
The business, you did build that.
The infrastructure that allows your business to flourish, you had help with that.
Now, can you remember this, or will you continue to parrot the inanities that are spoon fed to you?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
12:53 pm
Jack — “But what the hell do I know? I have a business that I didn’t build.”
You also have a political slogan that’s just chock-full of feces.
AU Liberal in ATL
December 20th, 2012
12:55 pm
I’d trade places with ole John. Hell, he’s got it made in the shade. Free healthcare and a great salary for a part time job where he doesn’t even have to do anything. I’ll take his perks and on top of that, I’ll actually do the work.
He might lose from a political point of view, but in every other area, he wins.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
downinalbany, I messed up the second link @ 12.50–here it is:
http://www.ucc.org/
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
“Now, can you remember this, or will you continue to parrot the inanities that are spoon fed to you?”
I’m betting on the latter…
Tom Middleton
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
Well, John could always resign and start running for president, Jay. I mean, with the Republican Party ready to implode from pushing really dysfunctional ideas, and turning the speaker’s chair over to Eric Cantor would hasten that along, to say the very least, he might could appear as one of the sane ones and get a hairy leg up. Then all he’d have to do is find a genealogist somewhere willing to claim beyond all doubt he’s Irish!
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:57 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
12:36 pm
I think it’s well established that I don’t care what you think!
AU Liberal in ATL
December 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
Hey Jack, unless you’re sharing pillow talk with the President I doubt that you’re privy to his dreams….Moron.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
12:58 pm
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
12:43 pm
Down
I think it is safe to say you have a credibility gap….
Coming from you, I’ll wear that as a badge of honor!
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
1:00 pm
Stands, “Seriously, RB, would a “One dollar = one vote” arrangement be more to your liking, for electing officials and establishing public policy?”
Lets do a little experiment, Stands. Next election, let’s put your house on the ballot and ask people to vote if they should be given your house for free. And if over 50% say “yes” we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them. Sound fair enough since you have a house and some people don’t, right?
The question is, do you have enough confidence in people not being so greedy they would vote themselves a free house they don’t deserve or have any claim to to do it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:02 pm
I think it’s well established that I don’t care what you think!
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
“Lets do a little experiment, Stands. Next election, let’s put your house on the ballot and ask people to vote if they should be given your house for free. And if over 50% say “yes” we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them. Sound fair enough since you have a house and some people don’t, right?”
This loses in a landslide. Guaranteed.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
The question is, do you have enough confidence in people not being so greedy they would vote themselves a free house they don’t deserve or have any claim to to do it?
There’s your sign.
Chris Matthews
December 20th, 2012
1:03 pm
Man, I would not like to be Obama! He will have 8 years of the worst economy and go down as the worst Prresident in American History!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:04 pm
Down
That ODS has you in a bad way…. Just because you post more hyperbole, rhetoric and lies than facts is no reason to cry because you get called out for it….
But do try some news sources besides the “obama stole the election”.com
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:06 pm
For those wanting to cut SS, you should be forced to eat cat food.
RB from Gwinnett
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
“There’s your sign.”
More thought provoking debate from Kammie!!! Makes you want to engage him on more important issues doesn’t it?!!!
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
Down
Maybe you can wear that badge along with the gullibility badge you had on yesterday
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
1:09 pm
we’ll draw names from a hat and give it to one of them.
is that REALLY your idea of a remotely analogous situation to voters weighing in on maintaining SS, Medicare and Medicaid as viable institutions?
Anyway, since you never answered my question I’ll take that deflecterbatory response from you as a “yes.”
john
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
we know you cry GOP bad Democrats good every day.read one bookman column and you have read them all. same crap every day.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
Down
That ODS has you in a bad way….
Not intended to be a factual statement. Oooops, guess I be accused of plagerism, now!
Carry on water-toters, carry on!
Again, all of THIS over “taxing the rich will fund the federal government for what, 8 days?” Wow!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:10 pm
More thought provoking debate from Kammie!!! Makes you want to engage him on more important issues doesn’t it?!!!
(shrug)
Worked on you, didn’t it sport?
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
“same crap every day.”
Then, please, for all our sakes, don’t come back.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:08 pm
Down
Maybe you can wear that badge along with the gullibility badge you had on yesterday
I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong. But, I’m sure you’ve never been wrong…
josef
December 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
GT
Sorry to be just getting back. In relation to what I posted that seems to have stuck in the wrong craw over your way. I was making reference to your swipe at Georgia, a daily occurrence from you, and allowing as to how whatever it was you were blathering about the nature of the Georgians was there at Georgia’s inception. I just drew attention to two of the most important figures present and accounted for, Abigail Minis and Mary Musgrove. I can just imagine how far you would have gotten trying to hold a conversation with these two!
I chose them because they were women whose actions in time and place would challenge your prejudices. I could have just as easily chosen Solomon Nunis and John Wesley, or James Oglethorpe and Tomochichi.
The point is that you, like so many others, go slapping a broad brush condemnation without knowing the first thing about the most basic facts of the subject. It is clear that you know little of Georgia at its inception. If you did, you’d use that as the starting point for a justifiable slap at the Georgians of today for having turned their backs, it would seem, on that legacy.
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
1:12 pm
The infrastructure that allows your business to flourish, you had help with that.
this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:13 pm
I googled and got no response. Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com? Maybe I misspelled it?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
“Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?”
Kam – dam these fat fingers!
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:20 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:16 pm
Can you provide a link to obamastoletheelection.com?
http://www.drudgereport.com/
I’ll have to admit, I laughed out loud!
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
Regnad
1-800-JENNY
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
The gop will make sure to give our military more money than they asked for but want our Seniors to eat cat food. The dems agree.
No moral compass.
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:21 pm
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:18 pm
DownInAlbany
December 20th, 2012
1:11 pm
I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?
You said a mouthful, there! I’m not sure why I visit this blog! Comic relief, I suppose.
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
“I guess by now you realize a con is never correct about anything here. Right?”
RScooter – many of us are willing to discuss most topics. That being said, the mindless repetition of already-debunked pre-spun falseness gets tiresome. We’re fine with reality-based discussions (and even new lies can be entertaining), but once something has been shown to be false multiple times, reactions get less tolerant.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:29 pm
You can watch the gop increase military spending on C- Span fiscal cons.
They vote for plan B later today.
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:30 pm
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:22 pm
I understand what you are saying but it would be boring around here if the cons didn’t come and visit.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
You said a mouthful, there! I’m not sure why I visit this blog! Comic relief, I suppose.
And we do appreciate your effort but honestly, your routine sucks.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
It’s after 1:30 and I just switch on CNN. Does anyone know if Jay’s been on yet?
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:32 pm
It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:34 pm
It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.
They’d still have the 30-year old supply-side albatross around their neck.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
Kam,
I was watching C- Span so I might have missed Jay.
They have a Harvard mental health expert on now.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
Erwin’s cat: “this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business”
Wow. That’s a serious howler, Erwin’s miaw miaw.
You don’t think that efficient transportation networks, to name one example, are an essential precondition for the average small business?
I can guarantee you major multinationals don’t have any problem seeing the value of an existing, efficient infrastructure.
stands for decibels
December 20th, 2012
1:36 pm
I’ll have to admit, I laughed out loud!
It’s all in the timing, innit?
Hey, anyone got a CNN linkee? Went to their website but they wanted a signin from my cable provider… the hell?
Figure it’ll be archived later today, in any case.
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
“Man, I would not like to be John Boehner these days”
I’m sure there’s a Dancing With The Stars spray-tan joke in there somewhere.
Christmas is almost upon us, so I am oddly inclined to offer a non-snarky response. I’m not in the top 1% of wage earners and I never will be, but I just don’t morally believe that the other 99% of us can just take their money soley because it’s there to be taken. The rich deserve equal protection under the law just like all the rest of us.
Going over the so-called fiscal cliff will take us back to the exact income tax structure and spending levels that were in place during the Clinton presidency. If that is the only way to effect genuine deficit reduction, I’m all for it.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
“It would help if the cons got something right in the last decade for credibility.”
Well, since the last decade is gone and past praying for…would you accept the next hour?
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:31 pm
5 yard penalty! Piling on.
They BOTH suck
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
Down
Whichever station, website or pundit that had you believing that Colorado bs would be “obamastoletheelection.com”
So you tell us which one it is.
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:38 pm
Oh, almost forgot…Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to all.
Amazed
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
This is all just a philisophical. The arithmetic on raising taxes on .19 percent of the people will not raise nearly enough taxes to make a difference in the revenue stream to the government. This is just a belief held by the president and others that the rich need to pay more than they are currently paying. This has nothing to do with addressing the real problem of revenue into the gov’t and reducing spending. Boehner is just trying to lead a group of individuals who do not want to be lead to a compromise for the sake of politics. Just ideological impasse on both sides. Addressing the real issues “ain’t gonna” happen anytime soon. Sad day for the rest of us.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
“would you accept the next hour?”
Sure, I will be waiting with an open mind.
Be credible cons.
USA Patriot
December 20th, 2012
1:39 pm
Stands – try this link; http://www.zahistation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:40 pm
bs,
Happy Holiday!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Happy Holiday!”
Are you waging war on Xmas?
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:42 pm
this context is so very overplayed that has nothing to do with starting a business
Overplayed?
The infrastructure is exactly what Obama was talking about, but yet his words are always twisted to mean that a business owner didn’t build his business.
Acer706
December 20th, 2012
1:43 pm
“Taxing the Rich” cannot be the extent of an argument! How much of the deficit does anyone think that will reduce?
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Xmas”
I still don’t know what Xmas is…
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
Ben – appreciate your thoughtful comments.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Are you waging war on Xmas?”
No, I was being politically correct.
Real Scootter
December 20th, 2012
1:44 pm
Ben Shockley
December 20th, 2012
1:37 pm
Dang Ben,You are supposed to lead in with morons,idiots,loons or kooks to get the party started!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
“I still don’t know what Xmas is”
Is your Google broken?
Erwin's cat
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
Welcome
you don’t think that efficient transportation networks, to name one example, are an essential precondition for the average small business?
sure I do
I can guarantee you major multinationals don’t have any problem seeing the value of an existing, efficient infrastructure.
I see the value as well…..but to define that as gov’t help in building a flourishing business is silly. If I start a flourish telephone solicitation company, I don’t owe my success or failure to ATT. The infrastructure in place was built for the good of the community, the military, and the good of the country in general…and not always by the gov’t.
Like I said, the context is seriously over played
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:45 pm
Acer,
Not just increase taxes, cutting SS is on the table too.
TaxPayer
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
Are you waging war on Xmas?
Not me! I like X’s.
guy
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do. You’d think by reading some of these posts that all must bow to obama and kiss his feet. Ain’t gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This celebration will be short lived and the same old crap from both sides will begin again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
How much of the deficit does anyone think that will reduce?
Deficit?
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Regnad Kcin
December 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
guy – you didn’t read the article, did you.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:47 pm
Can we go back to deficits don’t matter?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
“If I start a flourish telephone solicitation company, I don’t owe my success or failure to ATT”
but you DO owe your continued existence to it. It would be a tad hard to have telephone solicitaion company without the telephon infrastructure to suppor it.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:48 pm
guy,
Are you on SS?
Joe Hussein Mama
December 20th, 2012
1:49 pm
Xmas is a common abbreviation of the word Christmas. It is sometimes pronounced /ˈɛksməs/, but it, and variants such as Xtemass, originated as handwriting abbreviations for the typical pronunciation /ˈkrɪsməs/. The “-mas” part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass,[1] while the “X” comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word Χριστός, translated as “Christ”.[2]
There is a common misconception that the word Xmas stems from a secular attempt to remove the religious tradition from Christmas[3] by taking the “Christ” out of “Christmas”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
So Merry Effing Xmas, y’all.
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:49 pm
“There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do”
Isn’t it just too bad they were outvoted by the ones who DON’T support Mr Boehner?
barking frog
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Doggone/GA
“Happy Holiday!”
Are you waging war on Xmas?
……………………………………………………
I prefer happy holidays because it covers all celebrations and not
just christmas.
Peadawg
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
In the word of Kevin McCallister – Merry CHRISTmas ya filthy animals.
(emphasis mine)
Acer706
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Kamchak:
So, Bush was responsible for “righting the economy?”
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:51 pm
Well, either they’re running behind the 1:30 timetable that Jay gave us, or I missed him on CNN.
Damn!
Granny Godzilla
December 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
guy
December 20th, 2012
1:46 pm
There are 57,532,048 or 48.1% who voted against Obama who support most of what Mr. Boehner is trying to do. You’d think by reading some of these posts that all must bow to obama and kiss his feet. Ain’t gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This celebration will be short lived and the same old crap from both sides will begin again.
.
.
.
Based on the current polling ever growing numbers of them have already defected on an issue or two.
Keep up! Geez.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
December 20th, 2012
1:52 pm
So, Bush was responsible for “righting the economy?”
Which economy is that?
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
“I prefer happy holidays because it covers all celebrations and not just christmas.”
Yes, dear…me too. I was trying to mock those who want to claim that using that phrase is disrepectful to Christ. Which is wny *I* used “Xmas” – because they claim the same dumb thing about that spelling as well.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
Kamchak: “The infrastructure is exactly what Obama was talking about, but yet his words are always twisted to mean that a business owner didn’t build his business.”
Capital spins many yarns and engages in endless distortions to keep the masses confused.
getalife
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
Happy Holidays Pea!
Doggone/GA
December 20th, 2012
1:53 pm
“In the word of Kevin McCallister – Merry CHRISTmas ya filthy animals. ”
And Merry Xmas to him, and you, you jerks.
F. Sinkwich
December 20th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Isn’t it just too bad they were outvoted by the ones who DON’T support Mr Boehner?”
Well, to be precise, they were outvoted by the ones who want free stuff.
Oscar
December 20th, 2012
1:55 pm
Sounds like we are going to have a big ride over the cliff.
Then try to right the ship next year.