The mundane facts behind Benghazi tragedy emerge

A gunman preens for the camera while the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi burns in the background. (AP)

A gunman preens for the camera while the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi burns in the background. (AP)

As expected, the independent Accountability Review Board investigation into the tragic death of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi has found more than enough blame to go around.

But before we get into the details, let’s get the various conspiracy-theory stuff out of the way:

– The board, led by retired diplomat Thomas Pickering and retired Admiral Mike Mullen, former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, once again made it clear “that there was no protest prior to the attacks, which were unanticipated in their scale and intensity.” However, because its work was focused on the attack itself, rather than its aftermath or the politics involved, the board did not discuss whether U.S. officials had legitimate intelligence reasons to believe that such a protest had occurred or whether politics played any role in how the tragedy was presented to the American people.

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– Contrary to claims by some, including Fox News, “The board members believe every possible effort was made to rescue and recover Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith. The inter-agency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply was not enough time for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference.”

In fact, the investigation found, armed reinforcements from the Tripoli embassy had reached the facilities in Benghazi by the time the second deadly wave of attacks was launched early the next morning.

– Contrary to claims by some, including Fox News, no one in Washington or elsewhere issued orders to “stand down” or delay efforts to rescue Stevens. As the report states clearly, “The board found no evidence of any undue delays in decision-making or denial of support from Washington or from the military combatant commanders.”

With that behind us, we can turn to more important questions: How did this happen, who was at fault, and most importantly, how can we prevent a recurrence?

Let’s take a look at the players identified in the report:

THE BUREAUCRACY: The board points out that the Benghazi facilities were never officially designated as either a consulate or as a permanent State Department station. Within the State Department, its designation as a temporary “special mission” made it difficult to find the financial resources to secure the Benghazi facility or assign enough security personnel to the site. It got caught in a Catch-22 that no one in leadership stepped up to correct.

CONGRESS: The State Department was denied the financial resources that it needed and had requested to improve security at its facilities around the world. In the words of the report:

“The solution requires a more serious and sustained commitment from Congress to support State Department needs, which, in total, constitute a small percentage both of the full national budget and that spent for national security. One overall conclusion in this report is that Congress must do its part to meet this challenge and provide necessary resources to the State Department to address security risks and meet mission imperatives.”

STATE DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP: According to the report, “The board found that certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability in their responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host government protection.”

The senior officials were not identified by name. However, the two bureaus in question are the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, responsible for overseeing operations in that region, and the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, responsible for security staffing and facility hardening. Three State Department officials resigned today in the wake of the report.

“Board members found a pervasive realization among personnel who served in Benghazi that the Special Mission was not a high priority for Washington when it came to security-related requests, especially those relating to staffing,” the report states.

It goes on to point out, however, that repeated denials of funding requests from Congress “has also had the effect of conditioning a few State Department managers to favor restricting the use of resources as a general orientation. There is no easy way to cut through this Gordian knot, all the more so as budgetary austerity looms large ahead.”

Ambassador Chris Stevens (AP)

Ambassador Chris Stevens (AP)

AMBASSADOR STEVENS: It’s a delicate issue, but the board clearly found fault with Stevens’ judgment as chief of mission in Libya. It noted:

“As the president’s personal representative, the chief of mission bears ‘direct and full responsibility for the security of [his or her] mission and all the personnel for whom [he or she is] responsible,’ and thus for risk management in the country to which he or she is accredited….”

“The Board found that Ambassador Stevens made the decision to travel to
Benghazi independently of Washington, per standard practice. Timing for his trip was driven in part by commitments in Tripoli, as well as a staffing gap between principal officers in Benghazi.

Plans for the ambassador’s trip provided for minimal close-protection security support and were not shared thoroughly with the embassy’s country team, who were not fully aware of planned movements off compound. The ambassador did not see a direct threat of an attack of this nature and scale on the U.S. mission in the overall negative trendline of security incidents from spring to summer 2012. His status as the leading U.S. government advocate on Libya policy, and his expertise on Benghazi in particular, caused Washington to give unusual deference to his judgments.”

The report, available here in full, also details the extraordinary heroism and good decision-making of security personnel on the ground in Benghazi, which prevented a very bad situation from becoming even worse.

Overall, though, the board’s findings aren’t particularly sexy or politically explosive. They document mundane bureaucratic mistakes by generally well-meaning people, including Stevens himself, that ended up having tragic consequences, and they suggest ways to minimize chances that such tragedies will be repeated.

– Jay Bookman

572 comments Add your comment

getalife

December 19th, 2012
1:41 pm

“WASHINGTON (AP) — Three State Department officials resigned under pressure Wednesday, less than a day after a damning report blamed management failures for a lack of security at the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, where militants killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans on Sept. 11.”

Firsty.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 19th, 2012
1:43 pm

What? No full-color picture of Vampire Obama crouching over the haloed corpse of Ambassador Stevens and drinking his blood?

But FNC PROMISED! (stomps feet)

getalife

December 19th, 2012
1:45 pm

congress is to blame too for shrinking budgets.

Saying no kills Americans.

Steve

December 19th, 2012
1:47 pm

What, there is no huge scandal or coverup here like Faux News has been trumpeting for months now? Quelle surprise!

Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

December 19th, 2012
1:50 pm

But before we get into the details, let’s get the various conspiracy-theory stuff out of the way:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now I’ll finish reading the rest.

Good one, Jay!

DannyX

December 19th, 2012
1:51 pm

Unskewed polls, Bengahzi, and gas prices.

The Republican world is collapsing.

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
1:51 pm

Read the report earlier…basically it was a total screw up top to bottom…the liability lay at the feet of the State Dept.

getalife

December 19th, 2012
1:51 pm

cons?

Where are you?

Humility.

brooks got hired at Yale teaching humility.

Perhaps Jay can get a job at Harvard teaching deflecterbation.

indigo

December 19th, 2012
1:51 pm

OK cons!!! Fox news has spoken!!! Time to jump back on the bandwagon and beat the dead horse some more.

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
1:54 pm

Steve – What, there is no huge scandal or coverup here like Faux News has been trumpeting for months now?

It’s not a very flattering report

Welcome to the Occupation

December 19th, 2012
1:54 pm

There is no easy way to cut through this Gordian knot, all the more so as budgetary austerity looms large ahead

Ahhhh, so here we get at what’s really eating the authors of the report. It’s the looming budget cuts in security.

Speaking of which, just how are those deep defense budget cuts faring during all the negotiating? Anybody know? I haven’t heard a peep about them. Strange, don’t you think?

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
1:57 pm

“OK cons!!! Fox news has spoken!!! Time to jump back on the bandwagon and beat the dead horse some more.”

I’d call him a sadistic, hippophilic necrophile, but that would be beating a dead horse! – Woody Allen

guy

December 19th, 2012
1:59 pm

The truth will never be known to any of us no matter which side of the fence we are on.Will always be like that. Move on to greener pastures! The main thing is sadness for those who died from this terrorist attack.IF we would come home from all these places,we could not die on their soil.

getalife

December 19th, 2012
1:59 pm

Austerity kills.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2012
2:01 pm

And yet a very good public servant, Susan Rice, has been tainted with the broad brush of blame and stupidity from Fox, from McCain and from so many cons.

oooh and dont forget that so many cons “predicted’ without fact or anything but pure wild speculation, that the attack was not “the result of a video”. Then the same cons “predicted” that Obama did not have a Hawaiian birth certificate. Funny thing about wild speculation, sometimes it can be close to what turns out to be the real facts, but more often than not its about a lucky guess and you have better odds getting predictions out of a palm reader or other circus act

tm

December 19th, 2012
2:03 pm

I can’t wait to read your story below the headline “The mundane facts behind the Newtown tragedy emerge”. It appears to me they are real facts that resulted in the deaths of 3 indviduals.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2012
2:04 pm

Ahhhh, so here we get at what’s really eating the authors of the report. It’s the looming budget cuts in security.

And one of the reasons that across the board cuts as a knee jerk reaction are rarely a wise idea and usually have significant unintended consequences.

Doggone/GA

December 19th, 2012
2:04 pm

And if anyone thinks this is going to stop our resident ODS cons from repeating everything they said before…they’re living in a dream world!

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:05 pm

megyn is depressed today on fox.

The cons need to work on their credibility .

Doggone/GA

December 19th, 2012
2:06 pm

“It appears to me they are real facts that resulted in the deaths of 3 indviduals.”

“mundane” does not me false

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:07 pm

“I can’t wait to read your story below the headline “The mundane facts behind the Newtown tragedy emerge”. It appears to me they are real facts that resulted in the deaths of 3 indviduals”

Yup, you repeated the headline in your own words, all right. Thanks for that. Now, you should go ahead and read the story, and tell us what it says…

Hollywould

December 19th, 2012
2:10 pm

So, basically no one is held accountable. Seems par for the course. 16 trillion in debt but cannot guard our ambassadors.

DownInAlbany

December 19th, 2012
2:12 pm

So, everyone is to blame, however, no one is to blame?

Recon 0311 2533

December 19th, 2012
2:12 pm

“Mundane” four dead Americans. The unclassified report was released but not the classified report. Sufficient enough to secure the resignations of two state department security directors. This falls at the feet of Hillary Clinton who hasn’t as yet testified. This may squelch any 016 ambitions she may have. No wonder Rice removed herself from consideration and Obama showed no reluctance in accepting her decision. I guess he knew what the report contained.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2012
2:13 pm

basically no one is held accountable

You might want to read the article. Here’s a tip: resignation.

Steve

December 19th, 2012
2:13 pm

@Hollywould – do you not expect that $hit happens in war zones? That we don’t have the money to cover every possible scenario at every Embassy in third world nations? But allowing terrorists to fly planes into buildings was NOT a mishap by the GOP led agencies at that time?

larry

December 19th, 2012
2:13 pm

Ha! You think we are going to accept this report . Ha! i say. What’s going to stop me from twisting this one way and twisting this another way and then hold hearings on what i have twisted.

We want our Watergate!!! And we will not stop until we get it.

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
2:13 pm

If Egypt had banned assault rifles we wouldn’t even be talking about this

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:15 pm

They had trump on fox so I had to change it.

cons will never admit they are dead wrong.

We just have to marginalize them and keep moving our country forward.

Logical Dude

December 19th, 2012
2:15 pm

So, Ummm. . ..

Did the report say anything about WHO set this attack up, and what (if any) actions should be taken?

Sure sure, the report blames a bunch of areas in the US, but what the heck about the ones WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED?

See – that’s what I want to know, not play the blame game (although, it seems most want to play the blame game). I want to know who is REALLY to blame.

Ennis

December 19th, 2012
2:15 pm

Yeah that’s a good one. Let’s blame Stephens for the deaths.. That will save everyone’s ass.. He had done as everyone else previously did ( it says so ) so let us blame him……. Good one everybody in the State dept.

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:15 pm

“So, everyone is to blame, however, no one is to blame?”

Sorry they didn’t give you anybody to “string up.” These things often come down to system failures and policy mistakes, not one guy who screwed up.

“So, basically no one is held accountable. Seems par for the course. 16 trillion in debt but cannot guard our ambassadors.”

So, the more debt you have, the better you can guard? Come back when you want to say something sensible.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 19th, 2012
2:17 pm

This falls at the feet of Hillary Clinton who hasn’t as yet testified. This may squelch any 016 ambitions she may have. No wonder Rice removed herself from consideration and Obama showed no reluctance in accepting her decision. I guess he knew what the report contained.

Ahh…. more pure speculation. “We interrupt our prior many Benghanzi rants to modify our newest wild speculation that someone we don’t like is to blame and that Obama knew what was in the report . We also speculate that the moon is made of cheese and that Obama already knows it but is saving it to give out as free government cheese in 2016 to the 47%.”

Welcome to the Occupation

December 19th, 2012
2:19 pm

Hollywould: “So, basically no one is held accountable. Seems par for the course. 16 trillion in debt but cannot guard our ambassadors”

Accountable for what, exactly? The death of a couple of CIA operatives and a non-ambassador? Keep in mind, because of the fact that this was not even officially designated a consulate the status of Chris Stevens as “ambassador” in this case is, let’s just say, a bit problematic (note the wording here: “The board points out that the Benghazi facilities were never officially designated as either a consulate or as a permanent State Department station“).

So, what exactly were these people doing there? This is a question that no one, including Jay, seems to be inquiring into.

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:20 pm

Soon, FOX will realease unverified reports about the “classified” version, wherein it is written that Hillary invited the gunmen into the compound, after the President secretly re-arranged the guard schedule, so Biden could sneak them in.”Next, on FOX!”

I don’t know what’s scarier, “Socialism!” or “Benghazi!”

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:20 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — Three State Department officials resigned under pressure Wednesday, less than a day after a damning report blamed management failures for a lack of security

Refresh my memory–who resigned in disgrace after the security fuster-cluck that was 9/11/2001?

larry

December 19th, 2012
2:20 pm

We interrupt our prior many Benghanzi rants to modify our newest wild speculation that someone we don’t like is to blame and that Obama knew what was in the report . We also speculate that the moon is made of cheese and that Obama already knows it but is saving it to give out as free government cheese in 2016 to the 47%.”

And he already securing funding to ship all of the 47% to the moon in 2016 to get their free government cheese.

Mick

December 19th, 2012
2:21 pm

Most likely the ambassador should not have made that trip to an unsecured area of Libya, that’s a very dangerous job in some parts of the world. He and others gave his life trying to make it better. Why are some so eager to place blame???

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:21 pm

The gop would promote the three that resigned.

Steve

December 19th, 2012
2:21 pm

9/11 – 3000+ died, and George Bush became a hero.

Benghazi – 4 people die, and it’s a conspiracy

larry

December 19th, 2012
2:21 pm

That should read ” And he’s already securing” .

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
2:23 pm

Why are some so eager to place blame???

It’s a carryover from the previous topic…

JamVet

December 19th, 2012
2:24 pm

I guess the best aspect of this story is that the cons depraved presidential candidate shot himself between the eyes on this one.

Thank gawd that fraud got shellacked…

F. Sinkwich

December 19th, 2012
2:25 pm

That’s nice. A few bureaucrats “resigned.” My guess is they’re still employed but maybe in some sort of administrative penalty box.

What is O’bozo doing about the evildoers themselves?

Nothing.

He is weak. Therefore we all are in the eyes of the world. That’s dangerous.

Jay

December 19th, 2012
2:26 pm

“This falls at the feet of Hillary Clinton who hasn’t as yet testified. This may squelch any 016 ambitions she may have. No wonder Rice removed herself from consideration and Obama showed no reluctance in accepting her decision. I guess he knew what the report contained.”

YOU don’t know what the report contains, Recon. You are going off what you wish it contains, and pretending it’s good enough.

For example, there’s no mention of Susan Rice in the report, which makes it silly to claim that the report explains why she withdrew from consideration. It’s also no surprise it makes no mention of her, since as UN ambassador she has absolutely no operational or governance responsibility over our embassy in Libya.

There’s also no mention of Hillary Clinton, and despite your wishful thinking, Mullen and Pickering made clear in a press conference today that the people they criticize never raised any of these concerns with Secretary Clinton. She is of course responsible in an indirect sense, in that she is in overall charge of the department, but given what else is on her plate few reasonable Americans would believe she should be spending her time assessing consulate security measures.

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
2:28 pm

but given what else is on her plate few reasonable Americans would believe she should be spending her time assessing consulate security measures.

not sure she gets a pass for being too busy…I must be an unreasonable America eh?

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:28 pm

” My guess is they’re still employed but maybe in some sort of administrative penalty box.”

Just like FOX, keep making stuff up. Facts don’t matter, if you’re a FOXbot.

“I don’t watch FOX” rant in 3, 2, …

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:28 pm

I guess the best aspect of this story is that the cons depraved presidential candidate shot himself between the eyes on this one.

JamVet, that’s a most unfortunate choice of words. I hope you’ll consider withdrawing that remark.

(and I recognize that I used a similarly unfortunate phrase, myself, earlier this morning, so I’m not claiming to be without sin here.)

Recon 0311 2533

December 19th, 2012
2:28 pm

“We just have to marginalize them and keep moving our country forward.”

Get, I’ll help you out here. Forward is putting one foot ahead of the other and moving in that direction. Backward is putting one foot behind the other and moving in that direction. The latter directional movement is the direction we’ve been going.

Mick

December 19th, 2012
2:29 pm

sink

I have to disagree, since obama got bin laden and many other al quida, obama looks anything but weak. More like determined…

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:30 pm

“but given what else is on her plate few reasonable Americans would believe she should be spending her time assessing consulate security measures.”

She should be spending her time making out guard schedules, maybe?

Recon 0311 2533

December 19th, 2012
2:30 pm

Jay, nice try but no buy.

Mick

December 19th, 2012
2:31 pm

**Backward is putting one foot behind the other and moving in that direction. The latter directional movement is the direction we’ve been going.**

Clearly your own opinion, which is worth about as much as a wooden nickel. If even that much…

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Steve

December 19th, 2012
2:32 pm

@ Recon – no buy? Kind of like you guys wouldn’t “buy” the polls showing Romney wasn’t leading?
You don’t “buy” anything that doesn’t fit into your world view because your egos are too huge to admit being wrong.

So "mundane' were the finidings...

December 19th, 2012
2:32 pm

…that the author of this blog failed to report what the first responder to the blog did, that being that 3 of the guys involved “voluntarily” (yeah, rrriiiggghhhttt) resigned since “Overall, though, the board’s findings aren’t particularly sexy or politically explosive” – again, RRRIIIGGGHHHTTT….

Jay, sometimes you can really look foolish trying to be so smug…

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:34 pm

Ambassador Stevens was a founding father to a free Libya.

He is a hero there and a hero here.

He liked to mingle with the Libyans to work with them.

After a revolution, armed militias and gangs rule the country until government forms and takes over security.

It is a very dangerous job and he was the best this country had to offer.

We should be honoring the fallen as heroes and not attacking them with partisan conspiracies.

Shame on you cons.

Where is your humility?

F. Sinkwich

December 19th, 2012
2:34 pm

Since O’bozo allowed the Seals to kill OBL he is now immune to any criticism from here on out about any foreign policy blunder.

Got it.

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:35 pm

“Jay, nice try but no buy.”

Recon prefers “his” version to the “real” version.

straitroad

December 19th, 2012
2:35 pm

Who appointed the board? Wasn’t it the state department? This seems to be the same old routine. When something goes wrong, delay, delay, delay and finally blame some poor, lower-level lifer. When something good happens, the president jumps out front as if he was working the problem 25 hours a day.

Jay

December 19th, 2012
2:36 pm

“…that the author of this blog failed to report what the first responder to the blog did, that being that 3 of the guys involved “voluntarily” (yeah, rrriiiggghhhttt) resigned… Jay, sometimes you can really look foolish trying to be so smug…

Speaking of looking foolish, Mundane, did you notice the statement in the post above reporting that “Three State Department officials resigned today in the wake of the report”?

Taking a moment to actually read a post could have saved you that embarrassment.

weetamoe

December 19th, 2012
2:37 pm

According to the Libyan president the attackers were yelling Obama, we are all Osama now. Which is not surprising considering the unprecedented number of victory struts in the Rose Garden. Hilary had an emergency visit to the podiatrist to have a bunion soaked, so was unavailable for comment. Government Motors just cost the taxpayer another few billion or so. The most damning six words of the year: *did we just kill a kid?* from one of Obama’s drone jockeys. Second prize goes to professor Diane Ravitch, education activist ,who screeched that charter schools kill more children than the Newtown CT shooter. Sorry to interrupt the Benghazi spin. you were saying?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 19th, 2012
2:38 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Since O’bozo allowed the Seals to kill OBL”

Skittles-pooping chocolaty unicorn time, is it? :D

what a country

December 19th, 2012
2:38 pm

mundane means commonplace or boring so i guess that the deaths of 4 americans at benghazi is boring to you Jay

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:39 pm

Ambassador Stevens was a founding father to a free Libya.

He is a hero there and a hero here.

Furthermore, the locals in Benghazi were furious over his assassination, and they’ve probably already done some pretty nasty things to at least some of the folks who had a hand in it. which doesn’t mean that we don’t need to make sure justice is served, but a rough form of it likely already has.

Thomas heyward Jr

December 19th, 2012
2:39 pm

Not ONCE did the Independent Accoutability Board on Benghazi question Hillary Clinton………………..and……………not once did Jay Bookman mention Hillary Clinton in his little article.
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Alot of people got thrown under the bus though.
.
Comedic gold.
.
lol

GT

December 19th, 2012
2:39 pm

FOX reminds me of Tammi Fay and Jim Bakker . There is this flock, who because they put God in their recipe, name children after these people. FOX should have lost their card after the last election when about everything they said in real life turned out to be lies. They lie in one minute more than Walter C. lied in a lifetime. They have no shame; they consciously do it and do it in a group like some Jim Jones cult, everybody on the same page of insanity. When we wonder how a Hitler could memorize a whole country and half the world, that killing Jews among others was a good thing, watch FOX for your clues. The truth is a holly thing, nothing holly about FOX.

Mick

December 19th, 2012
2:40 pm

sink

No matter, the end result OBL not amongst the living. Nothing obama has done in foreign policy compares to the iraqi blunder, that’s one for the ages and also 4000 dead and over 30k seriously wounded. It will be awhile before that is forgotten…

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:41 pm

If you want to know why the cons are being marginalized, just read their comments as proof.

Mike

December 19th, 2012
2:42 pm

Based on past history, dating back more than 10 years now, I don’t believe one dang bit of this. Our government lies to us regularly and I would suggest it is happening again.

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:42 pm

“mundane means commonplace or boring so i guess that the deaths of 4 americans at benghazi is boring to you Jay”

Go back and look again at what he wrote. Reading comprehension is important!

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
2:42 pm

The truth is a holly thing, nothing holly about FOX.

all this talk about shrubbery’s

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:44 pm

So, the more debt you have, the better you can guard?

Raises an interesting hypothetical–if we were in the waning days of a Gramps/BibleSpice first term, what would they be calling those 16 trillion dollars?

Victory Debt?

Freedom Finance?

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:44 pm

“Not ONCE did the Independent Accoutability Board on Benghazi question Hillary Clinton………………..and……………not once did Jay Bookman mention Hillary Clinton in his little article.

Thomas – The report seems to cover the incident pretty well, IMO. What do you feel they should ask Hillary about?

alittlecommonsense

December 19th, 2012
2:45 pm

For someone who is in the business of writing a politically biased opinion blog, Jay sure seems to hate a lot on Fox News for doing the same. I guess he feels like only his side should be allowed to express biased opinions.

Jay – If you have such disdain for biased opinions being expressed by a news outlet, then I’m sure McDonalds is hiring.

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:45 pm

all this talk about shrubbery’s

Find one that’s nice. and not too expensive.

getalife

December 19th, 2012
2:45 pm

“Furthermore, the locals in Benghazi were furious over his assassination, and they’ve probably already done some pretty nasty things to at least some of the folks who had a hand in it. which doesn’t mean that we don’t need to make sure justice is served, but a rough form of it likely already has.”

They will build a monument to remember their founding father that gave his life so the Libyans could be free.

Doggone/GA

December 19th, 2012
2:45 pm

“mundane means commonplace or boring so i guess that the deaths of 4 americans at benghazi is boring to you”

What is it about “mundane FACTS” that you can’t separate from the RESULTS of those facts?

Steve

December 19th, 2012
2:46 pm

The Benghazi witch hunt has fizzled to nothing, and has died.

So "mundane' were the finidings...

December 19th, 2012
2:46 pm

My bad, Jay – I looked and looked for that line and just missed it after trying to find it BEFORE I typed – are you sure you did not add that after the fact – LOL? I just hate it when I try to be a smart arse and end up being a dumb arse – mea culpa…

what a country

December 19th, 2012
2:48 pm

i did read his bullsh.. he blames fox you can drink the coolaid i dont and wont

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:48 pm

“But FNC PROMISED! (stomps feet)”

Could you give me a date or source for that JHM?

Jay

December 19th, 2012
2:49 pm

Your mea culpa was done in style, Mundane.

Atlas Shrugging

December 19th, 2012
2:49 pm

Let me make sure that I understand…some random non-state department person was giving reports that were obviously false and was told to go on every Sunday talk show possible to made certain everyone knew she was stupid enought to deliver information that had no factual basis…You DEM-wits and REP-ugants crack me up.

Doggone/GA

December 19th, 2012
2:50 pm

“some random non-state department person was giving reports that were obviously false ”

I rest my case about this not stopping our ODS cons from just repeating the same baloney anyway.

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:50 pm

I just hate it when I try to be a smart arse and end up being a dumb arse

fortunately, that only happens to me three, four times a day, max.

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:51 pm

Many of the cons posting today seemed shocked and upset that the report completely “refudiated” all the stuff Rush and Sean told them, like the “stand down” meme, etc. It seems FOX, Rush, et al just made stuff up, and now folks are sad that the fairy tales aren’t true.

Hint: try getting “news” from a “news” source, instead.

Erwin's cat

December 19th, 2012
2:51 pm

The magazine’s short list for this year’s Person of the Year cover was revealed on TODAY, and tens of thousands of TODAY.com readers voted among the eight candidates. In addition to President Obama, they included Marissa Mayer, CEO of Yahoo!; Mohammed Morsi, president of Egypt; Undocumented Americans; Bill and Hillary Clinton; ; Malala Yousafzai, the Pakistani student activist who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban; Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple; and the Higgs Boson and Italian physicist Fabiola Giannati.

what;s an undocumented American?

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:52 pm

GT

December 19th, 2012
2:39 pm
could you explain Fox News reference in your statement.

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:53 pm

“I just hate it when I try to be a smart arse and end up being a dumb arse

fortunately, that only happens to me three, four times a day, max.”

But it is fun as he**!!

Steve

December 19th, 2012
2:53 pm

Well you know, it was shown that Fox News viewers were the least informed about current events and issues. So yeah, I’d assume that they are being fed straight out lies and distortions.

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:54 pm

“Hint: try getting “news” from a “news” source, instead.”

Can you give me a name of a good news source. I am very interested.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 19th, 2012
2:55 pm

notthefirstbitofcommonsenseatall — “For someone who is in the business of writing a politically biased opinion blog, Jay sure seems to hate a lot on Fox News for doing the same.”

Jay = OPINION columnist

FNC = NEWS operation (allegedly)

Jay’s job is to deliver commentary. Fox’s job is to deliver NEWS. If they’re doing the same, as you claim they are, then either Jay or FNC is falling down on the job. Fortunately, you accurately note Jay’s job, so it should be clear to you just where and how FNC is effing up so royally.

stands for decibels

December 19th, 2012
2:55 pm

Could you give me a date or source for that JHM?

Willieb, I used to make regular, daily visits to the Foxnews homepage in the weeks after the Benghazi attack to see how many links they’d have with the word “libya” or “benghazi”. I don’t think I’m exaggerating to say that there was at least a solid month and a half where there were multiple, top-of-the-fold “news” stories on the topic. They kept this as hot as humanly possible.

so I don’t know that they literally promised what JHM sarcastically expected. But it wouldn’t be unreasonable for Foxnews regulars to expect a payoff that was something along those lines.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 19th, 2012
2:56 pm

williebkind — “Could you give me a date or source for that JHM?”

Sure, as soon as you produce the all the dates and sources I’ve asked *you* for in the past.

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:56 pm

“Well you know, it was shown that Fox News viewers were the least informed about current events and issues.”

Is this a drive by statement or do you have a sample where Fox News was the least informed or the last to report on an event.

Doggone/GA

December 19th, 2012
2:57 pm

“Can you give me a name of a good news source. I am very interested.”

Well, for starter, maybe one about which it cannot be said: “For someone who is in the business of writing a politically biased opinion blog, Jay sure seems to hate a lot on Fox News for doing the same”

I’ve yet to figure out where on Jay’s blog it says anything about being a NEWS source.

Thomas heyward Jr

December 19th, 2012
2:57 pm

Regnad Kcin

December 19th, 2012
2:44 pm

“Not ONCE did the Independent Accoutability Board on Benghazi question Hillary Clinton………………..and……………not once did Jay Bookman mention Hillary Clinton in his little article.

Thomas – The report seems to cover the incident pretty well, IMO. What do you feel they should ask Hillary about?
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The fact they didn’t ask Clinton anything makes this whole “board” a sham.
Not unlike this whole Obama presidency.
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But for you Clinton sycohants see this————————–
Herein lies the duties of the Secretary of State——–(correct me if Shankles isn’t IT)——–
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•Serves as the President’s principal adviser on U.S. foreign policy;
•Conducts negotiations relating to U.S. foreign affairs;
•Grants and issues passports to American citizens and exequaturs to foreign consuls in the United States;
•Advises the President on the appointment of U.S. ambassadors, ministers, consuls, and other diplomatic representatives;
•Advises the President regarding the acceptance, recall, and dismissal of the representatives of foreign governments;
•Personally participates in or directs U.S. representatives to international conferences, organizations, and agencies;
•Negotiates, interprets, and terminates treaties and agreements;
•Ensures the protection of the U.S. Government to American citizens, property, and interests in foreign countries;
•Supervises the administration of U.S. immigration laws abroad;
•Provides information to American citizens regarding the political, economic, social, cultural, and humanitarian conditions in foreign countries;
•Informs the Congress and American citizens on the conduct of U.S. foreign relations;
•Promotes beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries;
•Administers the Department of State;
•Supervises the Foreign Service of the United States.
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lol

Williebkind

December 19th, 2012
2:57 pm

“Sure, as soon as you produce the all the dates and sources I’ve asked *you* for in the past.”

Ok, I see a drive by statement when one comes along.

Steve

December 19th, 2012
3:00 pm

@Thomas

Yawn