The startling science behind Obama’s victory

The technological superiority of the Obama campaign has been well-covered, but Sasha Issenberg at MIT’s Technology Review offers us a deeper and even unsettling look at just what it accomplished. Along the way, he also introduces us to someone who may make Nate Silver of Fivethirtyeight fame not only envious, but downright anachronistic.

Political junkies will remember the hotly contested 2009 special election in New York’s 23rd Congressional District. Issenberg, author of “The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns,” introduces us to Dan Wagner, who predicted the outcome of that election within a 150- vote margin. In 2010, Republican Scott Brown pulled off a surprising victory for the U.S. Senate seat left vacant by the death of Ted Kennedy. Wagner, however, had predicted Brown’s victory months before the election took place. In the 2010 congressional midterms, which the Republicans won, he correctly predicted the outcome with uncanny accuracy five months before the fact.

That performance was enough to get Wagner’s data-mining project considerable funding and manpower from the Democratic National Committee and the Obama campaign. The result? As Issenberg puts it in a three-part series, while the campaign fielded all of the most sophisticated technology, that was only the beginning. In battleground states, they wanted the mind-boggling ability to identify and track individual voters, determine what would convince those individual voters to vote Obama, and then deliver that convincing material to them.

As Issenberg describes it:

“But underneath all that were scores describing particular voters: a new political currency that predicted the behavior of individual humans. The campaign didn’t just know who you were; it knew exactly how it could turn you into the type of person it wanted you to be….

Obama’s campaign began the election year confident it knew the name of every one of the 69,456,897 Americans whose votes had put him in the White House. They may have cast those votes by secret ballot, but Obama’s analysts could look at the Democrats’ vote totals in each precinct and identify the people most likely to have backed him. Pundits talked in the abstract about reassembling Obama’s 2008 coalition. But within the campaign, the goal was literal. They would reassemble the coalition, one by one, through personal contacts….

Before the polls opened in Ohio, authorities in Hamilton County, the state’s third-largest and home to Cincinnati, released the names of 103,508 voters who had cast early ballots over the previous month. Wagner sorted them by microtargeting projections and found that 58,379 had individual support scores over 50.1—that is, the campaign’s models predicted that they were more likely than not to have voted for Obama. That amounted to 56.4 percent of the county’s votes, or a raw lead of 13,249 votes over Romney. Early ballots were the first to be counted after Ohio’s polls closed, and Obama’s senior staff gathered around screens in the boiler room to see the initial tally. The numbers settled almost exactly where Wagner had said they would: Obama got 56.6 percent of the votes in Hamilton County. In Florida, he was as close to the mark; Obama’s margin was only two-tenths of a percent off.”

When you read things like that and compare it to Karl Rove’s plaintive Election Night plea that Ohio was still winnable for Mitt Romney, you begin to understand just how significantly the science of campaigning has changed, and how much of a march the Democrats have stolen.

– Jay Bookman

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Mick

December 18th, 2012
7:31 am

Fascinating….the numbers don’t lie….exact science over gut thinking…

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
7:32 am

What! More of the same–mass x velocity. It’s even conserved in this case too.

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
7:32 am

And yet…we still have to vote, or they won’t have any numbers to base their predictions on

Corbin Sharpe. Baby Boomer...and Ban the Gun Thug!

December 18th, 2012
7:34 am

I’m not sure I understand a thing said up there, but considering the alternative, I’m glad the President won, however he did it…. :)

BlahBlahBlah

December 18th, 2012
7:35 am

Big Brother’s watching. Wonderful.

guy

December 18th, 2012
7:37 am

Doggone/GA

December 18th, 2012
7:39 am

“Big Brother’s watching. Wonderful.”

Not this time. This time it’s jut Little Brother. But you can bet, in the future, it’ll be those fraternal twins – the D’s and the R’s

Mick

December 18th, 2012
7:40 am

The presidents team really worked florida to the hilt. They got all of the hispanic votes in orlando, picked off the younger cuban vote in miami and worked the margins in heavily populated democratic area’s. Nothing short of brilliant, florida should have been romneys…

jd

December 18th, 2012
7:41 am

And that is how you run a business! Not the GOP way!

Georgia

December 18th, 2012
7:43 am

“….how much of march the democrats have stolen….”

what’s that mean?

TiredOfIt

December 18th, 2012
7:44 am

It appears that Romney and Ryan where really not numbers guys, but then that’s not really that surprising.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
7:46 am

Interesting, Jay, I’d not seen this piece.

They would reassemble the coalition, one by one, through personal contacts…

It was easy enough for Team Obama to contact me, since I’d contributed to his campaign in 2008. But I wonder how it was for those 2008 voters, who didn’t have an ostensibly traceable link.

How were they actually contacted by the campaign in 2012? Anyone here who resembles this remark, want to shed some light?

Goldie

December 18th, 2012
7:46 am

I’ll take science over “guts” any day! :)

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
7:47 am

what’s that mean?

think it’s a typo, he meant “how much of the merch Democrats have stolen.”

That’s why you didn’t see so many Romney stickers–the Dems stole the merch.

GT

December 18th, 2012
7:48 am

Better yet you can see it in how Obama runs the country. He has handled this cliff thing so much better than the last time. He is campaigning 24/7 even when he is in office. He walks in the Speaker’s office with cold facts that the GOP is starting to finally believe he has and it makes the talks go so much better. Watch how he handles gun control, the NRA won’t know what hit them.

The Elliot Wave theory predicted the stock crash in October of 1987. A local guy Robert Prechter was the guru behind it. Robert, for the fun of it would predict election outcomes. I would pass him in the airport in those days and he would yell out Reagan or Clinton as we passed, knowing I wanted to know the next president. It will be interesting when both parties have the same intellect but one of the things I really appreciate about the Democrats is they are, now days, a step ahead of the conservative party in innovation. The country is better off being lead by this type leading edge thinking than the distain for science and knowledge displayed by the slave states.

JoeFann

December 18th, 2012
7:49 am

Dear Karl:

If wishes and buts, were candy and nuts….Merry Christmas! And goodbye. While I might have hoped you were right, that whole numbers/techno thingy don’t lie. You and your friends (and some of mine) were completely out of your league. Time to hit the lecture and book circuit, if anyone’s buying.

To all of my friends (and yes, some of them are at either end of the political spectrum,) Merry Christmas! And to my lib friends especially, I sincerely hope you are right. I’m holding my breath (and my job, for the moment.)

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
7:49 am

“….how much of march the democrats have stolen…?
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I get the “stolen”..that’s what democrats do ..but I don’t understand the context.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
7:50 am

It should have read “how much of A march the Democrats have stolen.” In military terms, if you steal a march on your opponent, you have managed to get your troops marching toward an important strategic point a whole day before your opponent can do so.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
7:50 am

This is one of those situations where it’s not a sustainable competitive advantage. Within one cycle, the R’s will catch up.

What’s sustainable is having a message people want to vote for.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
7:51 am

I get the “stolen”..that’s what democrats do

yep, we shut down early voting, we purge legitimate voters, we create ID hurdles solely to prevent Republicans from casting a vote…

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
7:56 am

Within one cycle, the R’s will catch up.

What’s sustainable is having a message people want to vote for.

I was working on typing something like that, but you stole my march.

KEITH

December 18th, 2012
7:56 am

Nothing startling at all. Obama promised free stuff in exchange for votes. The country will go bankrupt to fulfill his promises but who really cares about that? Certainly not Bookman and his fellow socialists.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
7:58 am

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
7:51 am

I get the “stolen”..that’s what democrats do

yep, we shut down early voting, we purge legitimate voters, we create ID hurdles solely to prevent Republicans from casting a vote…
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I never said the despicable Rs were any better.
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sheesh

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
7:58 am

Obama promised free stuff in exchange for votes.

Care to catalog that free stuff? Have you received any of it? Any of your friends or neighbors?

Or are you just blowing smoke out of an orifice just because your loser lost?

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
7:59 am

I never said the despicable Rs were any better.

Ah, the “my tiny minority party is pure as the driven snow” gambit. How’s that working for you? Feel superior even though you can’t ever win an election?

Road Scholar

December 18th, 2012
8:00 am

Repubs don’t believe in science and technology…just ask Broun!

Stands: If I understand your question, the Obama campaign contacted us through e-mail….email after email. Not one e-mail from any repub. The e-mails were signed by different people in their campaign.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
8:00 am

I’ve been hearing, for some time now, how Big Business advertising has increasingly been planning ways to know what everyone wants and target them accordingly.

Since we know politicians have gotten instruction on how to appeal to the public from their corporate sponsors in advertising, it’s not surprising they are now refining and customizing their messages.

Big Brother advertising in business and politics.

Exactly what you’d expect in the Corporate States of America.

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:00 am

ByteMe – Got ilk? What message are you getting out, the one about women being second class citizens who need a man to tell them about their bodies, or the one where the we export all illegals back to where they came from just because we can, the only message your party gets out loud and clear is we are nuts. Your latest is the cherry on top; you defend guns while the bodies of babies are still warm. I have never seen a more tone deaf bull in a china shop group of white middle aged men as the ones that represent the Republican Party and now you can’t wait to get your message out, really?

Road Scholar

December 18th, 2012
8:03 am

Keith: Boo Hoo! President Obama kicked Romney’s a$$. Not with gifts or freebies. With substance. Romney refused to provide any specifics. Whine all you want! It won’t change the outcome.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:04 am

The e-mails were signed by different people in their campaign.

Read an article about how they did that to test to see which voters were more responsive to pleas from the different people in the campaign. Hot for Stephanie Cutler? She’s in your inbox! Want something down-home from Biden? We can do that! All to further figure out how to reach certain individuals. Pretty cool use of drip marketing.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 18th, 2012
8:04 am

Well, it’s this kinda stuff that’s going to make me miss Chip Rogers in the GA Senate. It s as plaln as the nose on your face the Socialist Muslim Kenyan chased down thousands of Ohio voters and planted a chip in their braiim. They.couldn’t of voted for Romney if they tried. I bet they knew how I was going to vote before I ever left the trailer Election Day and programmed a bunch of Those People and illegals to cancel my vote. We’re already in the days of Sodom and Gonorrhea.

It won’t be long now till they take our guns and line us up and make us get Gay Married. The End Days are at hand. It’s all so hopeless

Woe be to us Rednecks!

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:04 am

ByteMe – Got ilk? What message are you getting out, the one about women being second class citizens who need a man to tell them about their bodies, or the one where the we export all illegals back to where they came from just because we can, the only message your party gets out loud and clear is we are nuts.

Umm… WTF are you talking about? You must be confusing me with someone else’s ilk.

James

December 18th, 2012
8:05 am

Offer more free stuff get more voters…got it.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:05 am

They.couldn’t of voted for Romney if they tried.

Neither could 69 million other people, it seems.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:06 am

Offer more free stuff get more voters…got it.

Got your “Obama Phone” yet, loser?

Get any of that stuff? Could it be because your vote doesn’t count?

LOL!!!

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
8:06 am

ByteMe – Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
7:59 am

I never said the despicable Rs were any better.

Ah, the “my tiny minority party is pure as the driven snow” gambit. How’s that working for you? Feel superior even though you can’t ever win an election?
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I did win spiritually.
No little paki children blood is on my hands.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:07 am

I did win spiritually.
No little paki children blood is on my hands.

So you are… what?… Canadian?

Cherokee

December 18th, 2012
8:08 am

Keith that whine is so tiring. Can’t you come up with some new material?

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
8:09 am

Republicans do still have their unskewed data.

Granny Godzilla

December 18th, 2012
8:11 am

In light of the GOP’s anti-science stance, this is pretty damn funny.

That’s the free stuff by the way.

The free stuff Obama offered for every vote.

It the free delight, pride and joy in not having a
President What’s-his-name.

Free, yet priceless.

Jay

December 18th, 2012
8:11 am

“Since obama failed to reinstate the clinton gun ban when he had majorities in both Houses of Congress does bookman think that obama has blood on his hands from this tragedy?”

“if a senator votes for ANY bans on guns we will make them pay in the next election.”

The same person posts those two statements within seven minutes of each other ….

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:13 am

The right was convinced that the social issues would not play in this election, even had the major networks working that angle. O worked the social issues and took the election. No buying the election, the Ohio vote came because O saved the car industry, the one Romney wanted bankrupt. The nation rightful so did not want their life controlled by nuts so social became important. The real problem with the right is they can’t change their stripes even with overwhelming information that says they must. They are very inflexible.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
8:13 am

The same person posts those two statements

But Jay, he had a FILIBUSTER PROOF SOOPERMAJORITY CONGREFS FOR TWO SOLID YEARZ!!!!

Citizen of the World

December 18th, 2012
8:14 am

Obama did a great job of motivating his supporters to get to the polls — and it’s as much about that as swaying independents.

He also got smaller contributions but from more people than Romney did — and most people, once they’ve given even $5, sure want to go vote for their candidate to get their money’s worth.

Inquiring mind

December 18th, 2012
8:14 am

Jay

Semi off topic

I would assume you would acknowledge eliminating automatic weapons will only reduce the body count, and won’t stop mass killings by psychos

Peter

December 18th, 2012
8:14 am

Well when the REPUBLICAN candidate just lies constantly.. that would be the science in my opinion.

Just like when Kyle the Republican blogger said Nuclear energy is the only energy going forward in the future that makes sense……. We now see we will be ripped off by the Southern company as Georgia citizens for energy.

Republican’s just don’t tell the truth…. that is the Science lesson today.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
8:16 am

I personally saved the two Obama Brown Shirts that tried to canvass our neighborhood.
They had only knocked on the second door for the entire Neighborhood militia to be be activated.(we train for just such events).
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By the time that I got to the scene, the poor young people were cornered in a tool shed.
After calming down the hot heads..and at much danger to myself…I succeeded in coaxing them out.
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I then explained to the ill-tempered crowd that, as Obama-Bots, these kids probably couldn’t read that well.
I held up the prominent sign posted at the entrance to our community and the kids just couldn’t comprehend nor even pronounce ..”No Solicitation”.
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I then escorted them to the county line.
It was close, but I think that I did the right thing.
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Forward Freedom!
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Peter

December 18th, 2012
8:17 am

Here is another great Republican lie………. Gosh they never stop !

Offer more free stuff get more voters…got it

How about that free money to the Southern Company !

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:17 am

How were they actually contacted by the campaign in 2012? Anyone here who resembles this remark, want to shed some light?

When they got down to the end of the campaign, they realized that they really needed a huge turnout for younger voters to get over the top. And those voters are on facebook. So they had people who had “liked” them on facebook download an app and the app asked those users to send out an automated blast to their own contacts with a personal plea to vote from that person (and not from the campaign). Something like that. Ended up increasing the number of people they were able to “touch” and get them out to vote.

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
8:18 am

The same person posts those two statements within seven minutes of each other ….

And that same person will look at your post and scratch his head and ponder… what. what! WHAT! “What’s wrong with what I said! BOOKMAN!!!!!!!”

Or something like that.

Escaped from Email Purgatory

December 18th, 2012
8:18 am

You gotta give kudos to the Obama campaign. They know who their voters are and they make sure they’re awake and needy before every presidential election.

The administration encouraged food stamp usage. Mission accomplished – recipients grew to 47 million.

Also passed the word to the states… “Psssst. you guys can eliminate all those pesky work requirements restricting your distribution of welfare benefits.”

The GOP was completely outflanked. The were fighting this war with the last war’s weapons and it showed.

Is that a good thing? If electing a bag of hair to a second term as POTUS, it is.

Seems the new science used by the dems just provides a way for them to get the most bang for their bribe.

Peter

December 18th, 2012
8:19 am

Here is another great Republican lie……

as Obama-Bots, these kids probably couldn’t read that well.

Educated in a Republican State……..where the Governor lied to be elected and the people went along with it !

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:21 am

The administration encouraged food stamp usage.

Really? The Obama administration encouraged the deepest economic recession in 80 years? Do tell!

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
8:21 am

Heyward lives in Forsyth County! Who woulda evah guessed.

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
8:21 am

The Democrats have a huge advantage with the uninformed voters. The only challenge is getting them to the polls and the Democrats ground game in the battleground states was superb in doing so. That was the only meaningful science in Obama’s victory.

bookman parrot

December 18th, 2012
8:22 am

Jay, I guess you could call lib half-truths, lib inuendos, and lib sheep for voters “science”. bravo!

For principles

December 18th, 2012
8:22 am

The science is easy – When you rob peter to pay paul, you can always count on the support of paul.

Works the same in every election/country/political system.

Peter

December 18th, 2012
8:22 am

Another great Republican Lie……

The administration encouraged food stamp usage. Mission accomplished – recipients grew to 47 million.

Yes there have been more help needed to American Citizens… WHY ?

George Bush was in office and there was the ALMOST coming of the second Great Depression due to Republican attitudes of…… ” Deficits don’t matter “………… cutting taxes all while starting TWO WARS…… and the Romney attitude of Outsourcing American Jobs to get Rich.

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:24 am

Inquiring mind “only reduce the body count” so cavalier about human lives, this is the root of our modern problem. The insensitive articulation of human life by undeveloped minds, overdosed on superficial fictional characters. One of the misconceptions of the Republican Party, they thought the entire country was made up of this type Halloween character.

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
8:24 am

I see the cons are busy sharing their unskewed data with the rest of us.

dcb

December 18th, 2012
8:25 am

Fascinating this is – and frightening. Sounds as if the technocrats know so much about us from our spending habits (credit cards) and use of our computers that they can tell when and where we put on our underwear. Where is the ACLU when we need them?

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
8:25 am

Peter, ByteMe, settle down.

Way I figure it, if those guys want to own the “Vote for us, we’ll starve our citizens” franchise, let ‘em.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:25 am

The Democrats have a huge advantage with the uninformed voters.

And also with super-smart voters, it seems. According to exit polls, Obama won post-graduates 55-42.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-exit-poll

Hate it for ya when your meme doesn’t hold up.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:26 am

I’m waiting for the wingnuts to proclaim that the Obama campaign got all that voter data from the CIA.

Granny Godzilla

December 18th, 2012
8:27 am

Purgatory

December 18th, 2012
8:18 am

The administration encouraged food stamp usage. Mission accomplished – recipients grew to 47 million.

Also passed the word to the states… “Psssst. you guys can eliminate all those pesky work requirements restricting your distribution of welfare benefits.”

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Neither are meant to be factual statements.

ByteMe - Got ilk?

December 18th, 2012
8:27 am

Ok, that’s enough stomping on nutcases today. I’m off to earn a living. C-Ya!

Reebok

December 18th, 2012
8:27 am

It’s true, the Dems are running 21st-century campaigns while the Repubs are closing there eyes and wishing real real hard that it’s 1980 again.

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:29 am

For principles your people don’t believe in science remember. It is 70 degrees in the middle of December and you think that is normal, Iceland melted; the entire country and you want to talk about gun control and abortion. Now you want to say the science is easy, O saved the largest industry in the country the auto industry, if that is easy to you, you are a genus, really?

Recon 0311 2533

December 18th, 2012
8:30 am

Yes, the educated dummies that get through their undergraduate brainwashing get another dose through their post graduate degrees. It takes a bit longer to wear off with this group of educated dummies.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
8:33 am

I held up the prominent sign posted at the entrance to our community and the kids just couldn’t comprehend nor even pronounce ..”No Solicitation”. .
I then escorted them to the county line.
It was close, but I think that I did the right thing.

Hmmm, Heywood posts how he violated law. But hey, hes a realz merican. :roll:

alittlecommonsense

December 18th, 2012
8:34 am

track individual voters, determine what would convince those individual voters to vote Obama, and then give (it) to them.

Yes, of course – vote buying. A typical Democrat tactic. Don’t do what is best for the country – do what it takes to buy yourself enough votes.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
8:34 am

Byte me? The CIA? No way. Private agencies like credit card companies have much more detailed information than the CIA.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
8:35 am

Still have to worry about the GOP trying to surpress voting and now to change rules for the EC.

TiredOfIt

December 18th, 2012
8:36 am

Reebok
December 18th, 2012
8:27 am

It’s true, the Dems are running 21st-century campaigns while the Repubs are closing there eyes and wishing real real hard that it’s 1980 again.
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I wish it was 1980 again. Maybe we could stop Reagan from stealing the election (made a deal with Iran to release hostages) and save our country from a lot of the problems we are dealing with today.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
8:36 am

Byteme’s linked fox news exit poll contained one morsel of interest.

Apparently if you are an African American voter, the older you are, the (ever-so-teensily) *less* likely you are to vote for Romney.

heh heh heh.

(Ok, to be serious for a moment, the truly interesting revelation for me, was that Obama carried self-identifying “moderates” by a 15 point margin.)

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:37 am

What is wrong with someone knowing us? Why do we want to be a secret and why do we think that is a positive? The Republican really don’t like the light shone on their lies. It was front and center on FOX election night watching KR’s meltdown. “I tell you what to think and when to think it, you don’t tell me what you think!” Look at Georgia, keep em in the dark policy that has allowed the right to control this state, steal its money, and barely provide modern utilities to a state that thinks it is living large.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

December 18th, 2012
8:37 am

independent thinker

December 18th, 2012
8:38 am

Funny how that businessman could not organize a campaign that could march in the right direction 90% of the time except he excelled at buying votes of the rich and figuring out ways to cheat voters of the opportunity to vote. And a community organizer put a camapaign together that operated like a well oiled assembly line.

Road Scholar

December 18th, 2012
8:40 am

As for the criticism about President Obama not introducing gun control legislation…is he the only elected person in DC that has to show leadership skills?

Also, how many times do you hit your head on the wall before you realize it would have been futile with the “just say no” Repubs owned by the NRA?

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
8:41 am

60 million sheep?
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Heck……..I could do it with ten good sheep-dogs.

Granny Godzilla

December 18th, 2012
8:41 am

Ladies and Gentlemen

and now the comedy stylings of

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.alittlecommonsense

December 18th, 2012
8:34 am
track individual voters, determine what would convince those individual voters to vote Obama, and then give (it) to them.

Yes, of course – vote buying. A typical Democrat tactic. Don’t do what is best for the country – do what it takes to buy yourself enough votes.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
8:41 am

and now to change rules for the EC.

While that’s certainly one to keep an eye on, I suspect they really do not really want to pull that tiger by the tail.

If Americans en masse got wind of what they’re truly trying to pull in PA and elsewhere, I have to think there’d be massive disgust. This goes way beyond something like (say) stripping collective bargaining rights.

What was it ol’ Ike said to his brother? “[Y]ou would not hear of that party again in our political history.” I’d like to think that’d apply here.

Mick

December 18th, 2012
8:42 am

recon

Who’s the dummie? All your pre-election predictions were ahem…wrong! I’ll go with the educated seven days plus sunday…

GT

December 18th, 2012
8:42 am

Great period of time for being American. We are not owned by bullies or brainwashed by someone else’s image of what a great country is, we are the great country we know who we should be and we vote with that in mind. I have never been prouder of this country than I am right now.

indigo

December 18th, 2012
8:43 am

Inquiring mind – 8:14 “only reduce the body count”

This suggests you have no problem keeping the “body count” high.

And, two to one, you’re another one of the “good Christians” posting here.

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
8:43 am

I have repeatedly written here it was the ground game, but you hard heads think it was “Obama.”

Yea, you gotta have something on which to build the ground game, but it sure as hell is not Barry’s performance or what he wants to do to the country.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
8:43 am

The thirty year results of the Reagan/Gingrich/Bush experiment have trickled down in. And they prove It was a colossal failure.

They poisoned the once proud GOP and destroyed American conservatism.

Highlighted by the administration of George Walker Bush and Richard Cheney. The names themselves are still toxic. And will be for a long time.

These irrational, enraged and segregationist cons are dying off in droves these days. And the quicker, the better.

A few more elections like the last one – and three out of the last four – should do the trick…

Citizen of the World

December 18th, 2012
8:44 am

FYI — “No soliciting” signs do not cover politicking and proselytizing — both can still be done. (I have considered getting No Politicking and No Proselytizing signs to go with my No Soliciting sign.)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 18th, 2012
8:44 am

Stands, I hope you are right. I don’t have that much confidence in the collective GOP intelligence after their continued efforts on vaginas and the Tea Party. Look who just go appointed in SC to the Senate.

gadem

December 18th, 2012
8:45 am

Liberals and their damn voodoo science and facts. It’s all a lie straight from the pits of hell I tell ya’!!

Morality?

December 18th, 2012
8:45 am

Obama “offers” concessions as we near the fiscal cliff. B.S. Obama offers nothing. Boehner Offered real concessions – Obama offers smoke and mirrors. Time to freeze the salaries of Congress and merge their “Cadillac” health care plan in to the real world. Time to take away their “entitlements” for life just because they were in Congress for one term. Where else do you work for 4 years and get health care and retirement benefits for the rest of your life? Congress (both sides) is pigs at the tax payer’s trough. They are not doing their job – TERM LIMITS!

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
8:47 am

This info is evidence to support us Hard Righters that our message remains valid. If Republicans are smart, they will start info commercials now that run until the next election. They should not be to bad mouth Obama, but to plainly get the message out there so people understand Conservatisim.

And, we need to hire someone like Wagner.

Inquiring Mind

December 18th, 2012
8:48 am

Not being cavalier about it.

I think it would be a great accomplishment if we can reduce “body count” through gun control. That would be a not insignificant accomplishment. Gun control is not, however, a cure all.

Columbine happened after a decade of the assault weapons ban being in place.

In my view, the weapons ban is necessary but not sufficient to solve this problem. And if all we focus on are the guns, then we will have failed the children at Sandy Hook.

alittlecommonsense

December 18th, 2012
8:48 am

Thanks Granny – I’ll be here all week.

JohnnyReb

December 18th, 2012
8:49 am

JamVet – just what alternate universe do you reside? Jay posts a piece that states Obama’s win was just short of mind control down to individual voters, yet you can’t stand it. You have to demonize the competition.

TaxPayer

December 18th, 2012
8:50 am

Heck……..I could do it with ten good sheep-dogs.

You might want to pad that resume a bit more if you hope to have a shot at Karl’s old job.

stands for decibels

December 18th, 2012
8:51 am

In my view, the weapons ban is necessary but not sufficient to solve this problem. And if all we focus on are the guns, then we will have failed the children at Sandy Hook.

can’t argue with that. The casual acceptance of violence as a means to an end needs to be in the mix as well.

JamVet

December 18th, 2012
8:51 am

…but to plainly get the message out there so people understand Conservatisim (sic).

Now that has always been one of my favorite GOP excuses.

“We didn’t do a good enough job of getting our message out there.”

Riiiight.

I got bad news for ya. Your message is so noxious, that you only HURT your chances by getting it out there.

BTW a huge LOL at your use of the word conservatism.

And please, tell me again how all of us non-Republicans are a bunch of stupid lazy takers. I love that one…

Jay

December 18th, 2012
8:52 am

“track individual voters, determine what would convince those individual voters to vote Obama, and then give (it) to them.

Yes, of course – vote buying. A typical Democrat tactic. Don’t do what is best for the country – do what it takes to buy yourself enough votes.”

I suppose you prefer the GOP method of meeting with Sheldon Adelson, asking him what things HE wants, and then accepting the $100 million that he spent backing Republicans.

Thomas Heyward Jr

December 18th, 2012
8:52 am

Citizen of the World

December 18th, 2012
8:44 am

FYI — “No soliciting” signs do not cover politicking and proselytizing — both can still be done. (I have considered getting No Politicking and No Proselytizing signs to go with my No Soliciting sign.)
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